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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    Andy_JS said:

    Seven Labour MPs have been suspended from the parliamentary party for voting against the government on an amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap, the BBC understands.

    That was quick, as far as government rebellions go. Don't remember one happening within 18 days of an election.
    Twenty odd Tory rebels on Maastricht the month after the 1992 election.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    Keir Starmer's genie working overtime, as he manages to boot out some of the thickest Labour MPs.

    Plus Richard Burgon.
    You know your belief that lawyers are awesome...
    Also a Cambridge man iirc.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691
    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Seven Labour MPs have been suspended from the parliamentary party for voting against the government on an amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap, the BBC understands.

    - Apsana Begum
    - Imran Hussain
    - Rebecca Long Bailey
    - Ian Byrne
    - Richard Burgon
    - Zarah Sultana
    - John McDonnell

    A motley crew if ever I saw one.
    As I have said before, I like John McDonnell
    Foolish and with a self-confessed history of foolishness! Oh dear :)
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Kamala Harris allegedly boycotting Bibi’s speech

    https://x.com/shelleygldschmt/status/1815757040658313475?s=61

    She really wants to win, doesn't she?

    Although to be fair, I can't imagine anyone wanting to be in the same room as Netanyahu.
    God, no. I think it’s a smart move. Can’t see there being many lost votes here.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,792
    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    Seven Labour MPs have been suspended from the parliamentary party for voting against the government on an amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap, the BBC understands.

    - Apsana Begum
    - Imran Hussain
    - Rebecca Long Bailey
    - Ian Byrne
    - Richard Burgon
    - Zarah Sultana
    - John McDonnell

    A motley crew if ever I saw one.
    How long before he lets them back in though? Surely that's the crucial question.

    Unless they fuck off and join the Greens, which would seriously upset the SNP.
    I don't think he ever will. Remember Starmer is ruthless? This is what "ruthless" looks like. My bag book is currently "The Prince" (yes really) and Machiavelli is big on this: crush them utterly.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    tlg86 said:

    Seven Labour MPs have been suspended from the parliamentary party for voting against the government on an amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap, the BBC understands.

    - Apsana Begum
    - Imran Hussain
    - Rebecca Long Bailey
    - Ian Byrne
    - Richard Burgon
    - Zarah Sultana
    - John McDonnell

    A motley crew if ever I saw one.
    If Starmer had a list of seven awkward Labour MPs he would like to jettison that would be the list.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    edited July 23
    Leon said:



    Excellent plot twist

    Also I don’t think you need a tin foil hat to perceive this election as being as sinister and dangerous as all fuckettybollocks. Trump is only alive because he turned his head for a moment in an unexpected way, and the security around him was so bad it’s forced the retirement of the seekyserv director


    Please stop saying seekyserv.
    It makes you sound like Russell Brand.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548
    Taz said:

    Kamala Harris allegedly boycotting Bibi’s speech

    https://x.com/shelleygldschmt/status/1815757040658313475?s=61

    She's not attending Bibi's congressional address, but she is meeting with him private, according to Politico.com.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    Nunu5 said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    NEW Reuters/Ipsos poll:

    TWO-WAY
    Kamala Harris 44%
    Donald Trump 42%

    THREE-WAY
    Kamala Harris 42%
    Donald Trump 38%
    RFK Jr. 8%

    MoE +/-3%

    So, you want a three-way with Kamala?
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 433

    JD Vance is a real strange one, his politics seems all over the place from traditional right wing stuff to protectionist / government intervention stuff Bernie would proud of.

    His weakness might be that he doesn't know how to straddle two camps at once and tends to become a parody of whichever whichever faction he's courting at the time.
    Very perceptive.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Nunu5 said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    NEW Reuters/Ipsos poll:

    TWO-WAY
    Kamala Harris 44%
    Donald Trump 42%

    THREE-WAY
    Kamala Harris 42%
    Donald Trump 38%
    RFK Jr. 8%

    MoE +/-3%

    So, you want a three-way with Kamala?
    This conversation has come over all Nick Palmer...
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691

    Keir Starmer's genie working overtime, as he manages to boot out some of the thickest Labour MPs.

    Plus Richard Burgon.
    You know your belief that lawyers are awesome...
    Also a Cambridge man iirc.
    I think TSE has rules on this site, and I think any mention of that person's unfortunate trespass onto the premises of our greatest university will surely fall foul of such rules. *He studied English, barely counts, and I doubt he can)
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Nunu5 said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    NEW Reuters/Ipsos poll:

    TWO-WAY
    Kamala Harris 44%
    Donald Trump 42%

    THREE-WAY
    Kamala Harris 42%
    Donald Trump 38%
    RFK Jr. 8%

    MoE +/-3%

    And we’re off. I do suspect in the end it’s not going to be close. As I’ve always said what does a convicted felon who’s had to pay millions to a woman he’s sexually assaulted and who was prepared to let a mob murder his own running mate have to offer swing voters?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,792
    edited July 23
    Omnium said:

    viewcode said:

    tlg86 said:

    Seven Labour MPs have been suspended from the parliamentary party for voting against the government on an amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap, the BBC understands.

    - Apsana Begum
    - Imran Hussain
    - Rebecca Long Bailey
    - Ian Byrne
    - Richard Burgon
    - Zarah Sultana
    - John McDonnell

    A motley crew if ever I saw one.
    As I have said before, I like John McDonnell
    Foolish and with a self-confessed history of foolishness! Oh dear :)
    Yes, but who isn't... :(
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451

    Keir Starmer's genie working overtime, as he manages to boot out some of the thickest Labour MPs.

    Plus Richard Burgon.
    You know your belief that lawyers are awesome...
    Also a Cambridge man iirc.
    I am absolutely convinced there is another Dicky Burgon who applied and got rejected due to administrative error.
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 433
    Do we know what Vance's relations are like with the Trump sons (& Kushner?)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,266
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Kamala Harris allegedly boycotting Bibi’s speech

    https://x.com/shelleygldschmt/status/1815757040658313475?s=61

    She really wants to win, doesn't she?

    Although to be fair, I can't imagine anyone wanting to be in the same room as Netanyahu.
    House Speaker Mike Johnson speaking live now slams Kamala Harris' boycott of Netanyahu's speech:

    “It is outrageous to me and inexcusable that Kamala Harris is boycotting [Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech]. Kamala Harris will abandon her seat. She will not be there because she refuses to attend. She needs to be held accountable for that. The idea that [Democrats] are making political calculations when our ally is in such dire straits, fighting for its very survival... is unconscionable to us.”
    https://x.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1815757040658313475
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,792

    Nunu5 said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    NEW Reuters/Ipsos poll:

    TWO-WAY
    Kamala Harris 44%
    Donald Trump 42%

    THREE-WAY
    Kamala Harris 42%
    Donald Trump 38%
    RFK Jr. 8%

    MoE +/-3%

    So, you want a three-way with Kamala?
    On an entirely unconnected point, how is @NickPalmer after the stroke?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,792
    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    How do you join, @JohnO?
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think Harris is particularly Woke, interestingly. That's why she annoys a lot of leftists. But it could certainly help her win the election.

    'Woke video resurfaces of Kamala Harris introducing her pronouns and explaining she is 'a woman in a blue suit'
    https://www.gbnews.com/news/us/watch-video-woke-kamala-harris-pronouns


    Kamala Harris Says Slavery Led to Untreated 'Physiological Outcomes,' Supports Reparations as Mental Health Issue
    https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-slavery-untreated-physiological-outcomes-mental-health-1362870
    I commented on that first story yesterday, and those propogating it are beneath contempt. She was in a meeting with disabled people, including the blind.

    You - a so-called Christian = may call that 'woke'. I call it polite.
    I don't see why a meeting with disabled people automatically needs you to give your pronouns out and say you are a woman as if there was some doubt about it?
    Tetchy. This is the USA, so how are you an authority on the etiquette?

    Also which is the more Christian and more electable statement of I have a pussy and I grab women by the pussy? Choose one.
    It may be illegal but there is nothing in the Ten Commandments against it as long as you don' actually sleep with a woman not your wife and commit adultery.

    There is plenty in the Bible saying God created man and woman, Adam and Eve, life is sacred and marriage is only between a man and woman for life though
    Where in the Bible does it say marriage is for life?

    For the avoidance of doubt, 62 years ago I promised Mrs C that, until death did us part, I would cleave only unto her, and I have.
    In the New Testament a Mr J Christ is very unequivocal about it and it made old testament adherents very cross. They probably took it out on the Philistines (some things don't change).
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Keir Starmer's genie working overtime, as he manages to boot out some of the thickest Labour MPs.

    Plus Richard Burgon.
    You know your belief that lawyers are awesome...
    Also a Cambridge man iirc.
    Yup, out there is a Richard Burgon whose place to Cambridge was accidentally given to this Richard Burgon.
    Burgon is probably less dim than "Marie Antoinette discovered radium" Lammy

    Lammy claims to be a lawyer and to have been at Harvard. Memo to self: never attend a "university" in a town called Cambridge.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,707

    Nunu5 said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    NEW Reuters/Ipsos poll:

    TWO-WAY
    Kamala Harris 44%
    Donald Trump 42%

    THREE-WAY
    Kamala Harris 42%
    Donald Trump 38%
    RFK Jr. 8%

    MoE +/-3%

    And we’re off. I do suspect in the end it’s not going to be close. As I’ve always said what does a convicted felon who’s had to pay millions to a woman he’s sexually assaulted and who was prepared to let a mob murder his own running mate have to offer swing voters?
    A noose?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Kamala Harris allegedly boycotting Bibi’s speech

    https://x.com/shelleygldschmt/status/1815757040658313475?s=61

    She really wants to win, doesn't she?

    Although to be fair, I can't imagine anyone wanting to be in the same room as Netanyahu.
    House Speaker Mike Johnson speaking live now slams Kamala Harris' boycott of Netanyahu's speech:

    “It is outrageous to me and inexcusable that Kamala Harris is boycotting [Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech]. Kamala Harris will abandon her seat. She will not be there because she refuses to attend. She needs to be held accountable for that. The idea that [Democrats] are making political calculations when our ally is in such dire straits, fighting for its very survival... is unconscionable to us.”
    https://x.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1815757040658313475
    If she had attended, Johnson would be slamming her for making a political event of it.

    He's the biggest disgrace ever to be Speaker.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    viewcode said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    How do you join, @JohnO?
    https://membership.conservatives.com/membership/Levels
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287
    viewcode said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    How do you join, @JohnO?
    I think just go to the Conservatives web site and should be easy from there.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    And you're neutral on Braverman?
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287
    Ah, TSE has just done it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,266
    edited July 23

    Nunu5 said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    NEW Reuters/Ipsos poll:

    TWO-WAY
    Kamala Harris 44%
    Donald Trump 42%

    THREE-WAY
    Kamala Harris 42%
    Donald Trump 38%
    RFK Jr. 8%

    MoE +/-3%

    And we’re off. I do suspect in the end it’s not going to be close. As I’ve always said what does a convicted felon who’s had to pay millions to a woman he’s sexually assaulted and who was prepared to let a mob murder his own running mate have to offer swing voters?
    Morning Consult over almost the same timeframe

    Trump 47%
    Harris 45%

    https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/kamala-harris-biden-campaign-polling

    For the white working class Trump offers tariffs on imports while pushing US goods, cuts in immigration and anti wokeism.

    For the wealthy suburbanites he offers tax cuts, for Jews he offers to stand up for Israel, for evangelicals he enabled the end of Roe v Wade
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548

    I've just been watching the live stream of Harris's first campaign rally on ABC. A pretty impressive performance by Harris all around. Spoke well. Defined her own positions v those of Trump very clearly. Defined herself now she has the spotlight. The enthusiasm in the crowd was something else.

    In Milwaukee? Wisconsin? In the midst of the Midwest? And the buckle of the Rust Belt?

    Shirley you jest? Cheering a "woke", "childless", "coastal elitist" like Kamala Harris???

    Truly the Age of Miracles hath not yet passed!
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Kamala Harris allegedly boycotting Bibi’s speech

    https://x.com/shelleygldschmt/status/1815757040658313475?s=61

    She really wants to win, doesn't she?

    Although to be fair, I can't imagine anyone wanting to be in the same room as Netanyahu.
    House Speaker Mike Johnson speaking live now slams Kamala Harris' boycott of Netanyahu's speech:

    “It is outrageous to me and inexcusable that Kamala Harris is boycotting [Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech]. Kamala Harris will abandon her seat. She will not be there because she refuses to attend. She needs to be held accountable for that. The idea that [Democrats] are making political calculations when our ally is in such dire straits, fighting for its very survival... is unconscionable to us.”
    https://x.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1815757040658313475
    You ok hun?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    I see Bryson DeChambeau has been playing golf with Trump (pre-assassination attempt).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Kamala Harris allegedly boycotting Bibi’s speech

    https://x.com/shelleygldschmt/status/1815757040658313475?s=61

    She really wants to win, doesn't she?

    Although to be fair, I can't imagine anyone wanting to be in the same room as Netanyahu.
    Sara?
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    And you're neutral on Braverman?
    That’s another glass of bubbly you owe me! Braveman would likely make me politically homeless after almost 50 years’ membership. But you already knew that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    Incidentally, I don't think we've covered this:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4785724-mike-pence-praises-biden-decision/

    A measured and uncontroversial statement.

    Which naturally prompted an outpouring of unhinged bile from Trumpites.

    https://newrepublic.com/post/184109/maga-meltdown-mike-pence-announcement-biden
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205
    viewcode said:

    Nunu5 said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    NEW Reuters/Ipsos poll:

    TWO-WAY
    Kamala Harris 44%
    Donald Trump 42%

    THREE-WAY
    Kamala Harris 42%
    Donald Trump 38%
    RFK Jr. 8%

    MoE +/-3%

    So, you want a three-way with Kamala?
    On an entirely unconnected point, how is @NickPalmer after the stroke?
    I think he's taking it easy atm. I hope Labour's mahoosive win has helped his recovery. :)

    I haven't seen him post recently, but he did like one of my posts earlier today.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Sir Kid Starver fans please explain

    Apsana Begum
    Richard Burgon
    Ian Byrne
    Imran Hussain
    Rebecca Long Bailey
    John McDonnell
    Zarah Sultana

    Suspended as Labour MPs by SKS as punishment for voting to remove the Two Child Cap.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    ydoethur said:

    Nunu5 said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    NEW Reuters/Ipsos poll:

    TWO-WAY
    Kamala Harris 44%
    Donald Trump 42%

    THREE-WAY
    Kamala Harris 42%
    Donald Trump 38%
    RFK Jr. 8%

    MoE +/-3%

    So, you want a three-way with Kamala?
    This conversation has come over all Nick Palmer...
    No, it's "commola".
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,707
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think Harris is particularly Woke, interestingly. That's why she annoys a lot of leftists. But it could certainly help her win the election.

    'Woke video resurfaces of Kamala Harris introducing her pronouns and explaining she is 'a woman in a blue suit' https://www.gbnews.com/news/us/watch-video-woke-kamala-harris-pronouns
    Regarding the "pronouns and women in a blue suit", it has been pointed out that she was hosting a meeting of disabled people and some of them were blind.

    An important detail, i feel.
    You'll never get a job at GB News with that sort of attitude.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    And you're neutral on Braverman?
    That’s another glass of bubbly you owe me! Braveman would likely make me politically homeless after almost 50 years’ membership. But you already knew that.
    I shall ensure you have a glass or two of bubbly at the next PB working man's lunch.
  • Keir Starmer's genie working overtime, as he manages to boot out some of the thickest Labour MPs.

    Plus Richard Burgon.
    You know your belief that lawyers are awesome...
    Also a Cambridge man iirc.
    I am absolutely convinced there is another Dicky Burgon who applied and got rejected due to administrative error.
    Might check the graduation records of Teesside Poly for the relevant year to find the other Richard Burgon, there must be an explanation for this.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,412
    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    I was suitably impressed with Stride as minister for the Today Programme in the lead up to the election. Answered difficult questions well and managed to avoid bullshit efforts to just spout party lines. I sometimes thought it was Alex Chalk as both were on top of their brief, charming but firm and could debate the interviewer.

    Jovial but bright. I’m still sure with his name he needs to be in charge of the Ministry of Silly Walks but he was the only Tory who stood out for me during the election campaign and he deserves a reward.
  • HYUFD said:

    Nunu5 said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    NEW Reuters/Ipsos poll:

    TWO-WAY
    Kamala Harris 44%
    Donald Trump 42%

    THREE-WAY
    Kamala Harris 42%
    Donald Trump 38%
    RFK Jr. 8%

    MoE +/-3%

    And we’re off. I do suspect in the end it’s not going to be close. As I’ve always said what does a convicted felon who’s had to pay millions to a woman he’s sexually assaulted and who was prepared to let a mob murder his own running mate have to offer swing voters?
    Morning Consult over almost the same timeframe

    Trump 47%
    Harris 45%

    https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/kamala-harris-biden-campaign-polling

    For the white working class Trump offers tariffs on imports while pushing US goods, cuts in immigration and anti wokeism.

    For the wealthy suburbanites he offers tax cuts, for Jews he offers to stand up for Israel, for evangelicals he enabled the end of Roe v Wade
    He's like Sunak plus viciously misogynistic restrictions on women's rights, then. Can't lose.

    I know the situations differ, but you speak as if there's no downside to any of these positions.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    Former foreign secretary and home secretary James Cleverly confirms he is running to become next Conservative Party leader

    Standing at the Back Dressed Cleverly and Looking Clever Party!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548

    Do we know what Vance's relations are like with the Trump sons (& Kushner?)

    My guess is, extremely deferential unto obsequious.

    UNTIL that is JDV convinces DJT, that HE is the son (with over half a brain) he wishes he'd had, but never did - before.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287
    boulay said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    I was suitably impressed with Stride as minister for the Today Programme in the lead up to the election. Answered difficult questions well and managed to avoid bullshit efforts to just spout party lines. I sometimes thought it was Alex Chalk as both were on top of their brief, charming but firm and could debate the interviewer.

    Jovial but bright. I’m still sure with his name he needs to be in charge of the Ministry of Silly Walks but he was the only Tory who stood out for me during the election campaign and he deserves a reward.
    Completely agree with you on that. Alex Chalk is a great loss but his defeat was inevitable.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578

    Sir Kid Starver fans please explain

    Apsana Begum
    Richard Burgon
    Ian Byrne
    Imran Hussain
    Rebecca Long Bailey
    John McDonnell
    Zarah Sultana

    Suspended as Labour MPs by SKS as punishment for voting to remove the Two Child Cap.

    Labour 411 404 MPs
    Green Tories 4 MPs
  • ydoethur said:

    Sir Kid Starver fans please explain

    Apsana Begum
    Richard Burgon
    Ian Byrne
    Imran Hussain
    Rebecca Long Bailey
    John McDonnell
    Zarah Sultana

    Suspended as Labour MPs by SKS as punishment for voting to remove the Two Child Cap.

    Not a SKS fan, but this is easy:

    They're all utter twats he doesn't want to have to keep apologising to the electorate for.

    Although he's probably sorry Barry Gardiner and Ian Lavery weren't on the list.
    Banter timeline demands he brings forward legislation to trigger by elections for MPs losing the party whip.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,266

    HYUFD said:

    Nunu5 said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1
    NEW Reuters/Ipsos poll:

    TWO-WAY
    Kamala Harris 44%
    Donald Trump 42%

    THREE-WAY
    Kamala Harris 42%
    Donald Trump 38%
    RFK Jr. 8%

    MoE +/-3%

    And we’re off. I do suspect in the end it’s not going to be close. As I’ve always said what does a convicted felon who’s had to pay millions to a woman he’s sexually assaulted and who was prepared to let a mob murder his own running mate have to offer swing voters?
    Morning Consult over almost the same timeframe

    Trump 47%
    Harris 45%

    https://pro.morningconsult.com/analysis/kamala-harris-biden-campaign-polling

    For the white working class Trump offers tariffs on imports while pushing US goods, cuts in immigration and anti wokeism.

    For the wealthy suburbanites he offers tax cuts, for Jews he offers to stand up for Israel, for evangelicals he enabled the end of Roe v Wade
    He's like Sunak plus viciously misogynistic restrictions on women's rights, then. Can't lose.

    I know the situations differ, but you speak as if there's no downside to any of these positions.
    Sunak didn't offer much on immigration, nor was pushing tariffs, nor tax cuts, nor did he inspire evangelicals
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,412
    boulay said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    I was suitably impressed with Stride as minister for the Today Programme in the lead up to the election. Answered difficult questions well and managed to avoid bullshit efforts to just spout party lines. I sometimes thought it was Alex Chalk as both were on top of their brief, charming but firm and could debate the interviewer.

    Jovial but bright. I’m still sure with his name he needs to be in charge of the Ministry of Silly Walks but he was the only Tory who stood out for me during the election campaign and he deserves a reward.
    And we need Stride as PM for the rapprochement with North Korea where he visits and they go for a cooling dip in the sea together for the headline “Mel and Kim get fresh for the weekend, British/North Korean relationships declared Respectable”.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    edited July 23
    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think Harris is particularly Woke, interestingly. That's why she annoys a lot of leftists. But it could certainly help her win the election.

    'Woke video resurfaces of Kamala Harris introducing her pronouns and explaining she is 'a woman in a blue suit' https://www.gbnews.com/news/us/watch-video-woke-kamala-harris-pronouns
    Regarding the "pronouns and women in a blue suit", it has been pointed out that she was hosting a meeting of disabled people and some of them were blind.

    An important detail, i feel.
    You'll never get a job at GB News with that sort of attitude.
    I'd have introduced myself and cracked a black joke about it being a great job no-one could see my shit poker face.

    Different style.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,069
    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    Seven Labour MPs have been suspended from the parliamentary party for voting against the government on an amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap, the BBC understands.

    - Apsana Begum
    - Imran Hussain
    - Rebecca Long Bailey
    - Ian Byrne
    - Richard Burgon
    - Zarah Sultana
    - John McDonnell

    A motley crew if ever I saw one.
    How long before he lets them back in though? Surely that's the crucial question.

    Unless they fuck off and join the Greens, which would seriously upset the SNP.
    Or just leave them to rot on the opposition benches, possibly under the leadership of St Jeremy.

    After all, that would leave Starmer's majority at a mere... 160.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    tlg86 said:

    I see Bryson DeChambeau has been playing golf with Trump (pre-assassination attempt).

    Not that he needs the money, but clever move by Bryson to grow his YouTube channel. Apparently he asked Biden as well, but no dice.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301

    Sir Kid Starver fans please explain

    Apsana Begum
    Richard Burgon
    Ian Byrne
    Imran Hussain
    Rebecca Long Bailey
    John McDonnell
    Zarah Sultana

    Suspended as Labour MPs by SKS as punishment for voting to remove the Two Child Cap.

    That's Prime Minister Sir Kid Starver.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578
    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    Pah, voting for Corbyn only cost £3! But thanks for the invite any way!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    Pah, voting for Corbyn only cost £3! But thanks for the invite any way!
    Fake news, it was £25 second time around.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    And you're neutral on Braverman?
    That’s another glass of bubbly you owe me! Braveman would likely make me politically homeless after almost 50 years’ membership. But you already knew that.
    But, you are the braver man, aren't you?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Sir Kid Starver says his Red Tory Party does have the right to cut off food from starving kids

    Whats good for Gaza is good for GB

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,707

    Do we know what Vance's relations are like with the Trump sons (& Kushner?)

    My guess is, extremely deferential unto obsequious.

    UNTIL that is JDV convinces DJT, that HE is the son (with over half a brain) he wishes he'd had, but never did - before.
    Nearly 20 years between them - so it's not impossible that he is the son.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,696

    Omnium said:

    OOOOOOH

    #New @Reuters Poll

    🔵 Harris 44% (+2)
    🔴 Trump 42%

    IPSOS - 1018 RV - 7/22


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1815803619221950786

    I knew I should have risked the ranch.
    Wait until the convention bounce she should receive, Trump could be trailing Harris by nearly 10%.
    But convention bounces don't tend to last.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548

    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    Seven Labour MPs have been suspended from the parliamentary party for voting against the government on an amendment to scrap the two-child benefit cap, the BBC understands.

    - Apsana Begum
    - Imran Hussain
    - Rebecca Long Bailey
    - Ian Byrne
    - Richard Burgon
    - Zarah Sultana
    - John McDonnell

    A motley crew if ever I saw one.
    How long before he lets them back in though? Surely that's the crucial question.

    Unless they fuck off and join the Greens, which would seriously upset the SNP.
    Or just leave them to rot on the opposition benches, possibly under the leadership of St Jeremy.

    After all, that would leave Starmer's majority at a mere... 160.
    Can we call that a Double BoJo?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    Sir Kid Starver says his Red Tory Party does have the right to cut off food from starving kids

    Whats good for Gaza is good for GB

    What about good for Ukraine?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OOOOOOH

    #New @Reuters Poll

    🔵 Harris 44% (+2)
    🔴 Trump 42%

    IPSOS - 1018 RV - 7/22


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1815803619221950786

    Albeit IPSOS is one of the most favourable pollsters for Harris with Trump much lower than other polls and who had her on 44% in their last poll too (plus a 2% lead for her is no more than Hillary had over Trump in 2016 when he won the EC)
    IPSOS is the only pollster who has had Trump under 45% in a 2 way with Harris rather than a 5 way. So while encouraging for Harris supporters she has taken the lead over Trump in one poll it is with the worst pollster for Trump

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
    I think you are heading for a huge disappointment as Harris 'Trumps' Trump

    Indeed the old saying a 'week is a long time in politics' and 'events' have merged to change the narrative very much in favour of Harris
    RCP has Trump currently on 48.8% on average, ahead of Harris on 46.6%
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
    Based on a date range of 5 to 22 July.
    Morning Consult was taken Sunday and Monday and has Trump 2% ahead

    But then it's not the average you were talking about. Just a single poll.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    Sir Kid Starver says his Red Tory Party does have the right to cut off food from starving kids

    Whats good for Gaza is good for GB

    Perhaps the parents of said kids might pay for said kids food?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    ydoethur said:

    Sir Kid Starver says his Red Tory Party does have the right to cut off food from starving kids

    Whats good for Gaza is good for GB

    What about good for Ukraine?
    Nah he has found £3 BN a year for them

    Ironically the same as required for this

    Austerity is a political choice
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    JohnO said:

    boulay said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    I was suitably impressed with Stride as minister for the Today Programme in the lead up to the election. Answered difficult questions well and managed to avoid bullshit efforts to just spout party lines. I sometimes thought it was Alex Chalk as both were on top of their brief, charming but firm and could debate the interviewer.

    Jovial but bright. I’m still sure with his name he needs to be in charge of the Ministry of Silly Walks but he was the only Tory who stood out for me during the election campaign and he deserves a reward.
    Completely agree with you on that. Alex Chalk is a great loss but his defeat was inevitable.
    Looking at Mel Stride's biography, he's a grammar schoolboy who read PPE at Oxford.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,691

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    Pah, voting for Corbyn only cost £3! But thanks for the invite any way!
    Send me a quid and voting 'Omnium' is free for life!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,266
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OOOOOOH

    #New @Reuters Poll

    🔵 Harris 44% (+2)
    🔴 Trump 42%

    IPSOS - 1018 RV - 7/22


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1815803619221950786

    Albeit IPSOS is one of the most favourable pollsters for Harris with Trump much lower than other polls and who had her on 44% in their last poll too (plus a 2% lead for her is no more than Hillary had over Trump in 2016 when he won the EC)
    IPSOS is the only pollster who has had Trump under 45% in a 2 way with Harris rather than a 5 way. So while encouraging for Harris supporters she has taken the lead over Trump in one poll it is with the worst pollster for Trump

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
    I think you are heading for a huge disappointment as Harris 'Trumps' Trump

    Indeed the old saying a 'week is a long time in politics' and 'events' have merged to change the narrative very much in favour of Harris
    RCP has Trump currently on 48.8% on average, ahead of Harris on 46.6%
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
    Based on a date range of 5 to 22 July.
    Morning Consult was taken Sunday and Monday and has Trump 2% ahead

    But then it's not the average you were talking about. Just a single poll.
    Which is above the average rating for Trump
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    I was suitably impressed with Stride as minister for the Today Programme in the lead up to the election. Answered difficult questions well and managed to avoid bullshit efforts to just spout party lines. I sometimes thought it was Alex Chalk as both were on top of their brief, charming but firm and could debate the interviewer.

    Jovial but bright. I’m still sure with his name he needs to be in charge of the Ministry of Silly Walks but he was the only Tory who stood out for me during the election campaign and he deserves a reward.
    And we need Stride as PM for the rapprochement with North Korea where he visits and they go for a cooling dip in the sea together for the headline “Mel and Kim get fresh for the weekend, British/North Korean relationships declared Respectable”.
    I hope they're not showing owt.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    Sir Kid Starver says his Red Tory Party does have the right to cut off food from starving kids

    Whats good for Gaza is good for GB

    What about good for Ukraine?
    Nah he has found £3 BN a year for them

    Ironically the same as required for this

    Austerity is a political choice
    I was thinking more about the Russian actions you seem to be constantly furious with Starmer for mentioning yet rather quiet about yourself.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287

    JohnO said:

    boulay said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    I was suitably impressed with Stride as minister for the Today Programme in the lead up to the election. Answered difficult questions well and managed to avoid bullshit efforts to just spout party lines. I sometimes thought it was Alex Chalk as both were on top of their brief, charming but firm and could debate the interviewer.

    Jovial but bright. I’m still sure with his name he needs to be in charge of the Ministry of Silly Walks but he was the only Tory who stood out for me during the election campaign and he deserves a reward.
    Completely agree with you on that. Alex Chalk is a great loss but his defeat was inevitable.
    Looking at Mel Stride's biography, he's a grammar schoolboy who read PPE at Oxford.
    Demonstrably the nation’s choice.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637

    Sir Kid Starver fans please explain

    Apsana Begum
    Richard Burgon
    Ian Byrne
    Imran Hussain
    Rebecca Long Bailey
    John McDonnell
    Zarah Sultana

    Suspended as Labour MPs by SKS as punishment for voting to remove the Two Child Cap.

    That's Prime Minister Sir Kid Starver.
    And?

    2 cheeks of the same Austerity farting Arse
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,165
    edited July 23
    Farage makes his maiden speech in the Commons, large numbers of Labour MPs immediately get up to leave.

    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1815760623759769842
  • Keir Starmer's genie working overtime, as he manages to boot out some of the thickest Labour MPs.

    Plus Richard Burgon.
    You know your belief that lawyers are awesome...
    Also a Cambridge man iirc.
    Yup, out there is a Richard Burgon whose place to Cambridge was accidentally given to this Richard Burgon.
    In your defence, I don't think Burgon actually studied Law at Cambridge, unlike your good self, Nick Griffin, and several other notables.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,344

    Keir Starmer's genie working overtime, as he manages to boot out some of the thickest Labour MPs.

    Plus Richard Burgon.
    You know your belief that lawyers are awesome...
    Also a Cambridge man iirc.
    Yup, out there is a Richard Burgon whose place to Cambridge was accidentally given to this Richard Burgon.
    Burgon is probably less dim than "Marie Antoinette discovered radium" Lammy

    Lammy claims to be a lawyer and to have been at Harvard. Memo to self: never attend a "university" in a town called Cambridge.
    Anglia Ruskin’s OK. Of course it also has a campus in Essex, at Chelmsford.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    And you're neutral on Braverman?
    That’s another glass of bubbly you owe me! Braveman would likely make me politically homeless after almost 50 years’ membership. But you already knew that.
    I shall ensure you have a glass or two of bubbly at the next PB working man's lunch.
    Sommeliers see people like you coming. Buy the man a bottle FFS, it's free after the third glass.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    edited July 23

    Keir Starmer's genie working overtime, as he manages to boot out some of the thickest Labour MPs.

    Plus Richard Burgon.
    You know your belief that lawyers are awesome...
    Also a Cambridge man iirc.
    Yup, out there is a Richard Burgon whose place to Cambridge was accidentally given to this Richard Burgon.
    Burgon is probably less dim than "Marie Antoinette discovered radium" Lammy

    Lammy claims to be a lawyer and to have been at Harvard. Memo to self: never attend a "university" in a town called Cambridge.
    Not fair. Mr L got the sex, gender, first name, location (Paris) and nationality correct. I make that 5 out of 6.

    Edit: and the element and act too.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,287

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    And you're neutral on Braverman?
    That’s another glass of bubbly you owe me! Braveman would likely make me politically homeless after almost 50 years’ membership. But you already knew that.
    I shall ensure you have a glass or two of bubbly at the next PB working man's lunch.
    Sommeliers see people like you coming. Buy the man a bottle FFS, it's free after the third glass.
    @TSE - you heard the man.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OOOOOOH

    #New @Reuters Poll

    🔵 Harris 44% (+2)
    🔴 Trump 42%

    IPSOS - 1018 RV - 7/22


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1815803619221950786

    Albeit IPSOS is one of the most favourable pollsters for Harris with Trump much lower than other polls and who had her on 44% in their last poll too (plus a 2% lead for her is no more than Hillary had over Trump in 2016 when he won the EC)
    IPSOS is the only pollster who has had Trump under 45% in a 2 way with Harris rather than a 5 way. So while encouraging for Harris supporters she has taken the lead over Trump in one poll it is with the worst pollster for Trump

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
    I think you are heading for a huge disappointment as Harris 'Trumps' Trump

    Indeed the old saying a 'week is a long time in politics' and 'events' have merged to change the narrative very much in favour of Harris
    RCP has Trump currently on 48.8% on average, ahead of Harris on 46.6%
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
    Based on a date range of 5 to 22 July.
    Morning Consult was taken Sunday and Monday and has Trump 2% ahead

    But then it's not the average you were talking about. Just a single poll.
    Which is above the average rating for Trump
    But an average of one?

    I don't think you studied the application of statistics to historical research, did you?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    And you're neutral on Braverman?
    That’s another glass of bubbly you owe me! Braveman would likely make me politically homeless after almost 50 years’ membership. But you already knew that.
    I shall ensure you have a glass or two of bubbly at the next PB working man's lunch.
    Sommeliers see people like you coming. Buy the man a bottle FFS, it's free after the third glass.
    To be fair at a couple of places we've eaten the staff have charged us the cheaper bottle option including the place we're going to next time.

    Claridge's are the best.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,266
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OOOOOOH

    #New @Reuters Poll

    🔵 Harris 44% (+2)
    🔴 Trump 42%

    IPSOS - 1018 RV - 7/22


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1815803619221950786

    Albeit IPSOS is one of the most favourable pollsters for Harris with Trump much lower than other polls and who had her on 44% in their last poll too (plus a 2% lead for her is no more than Hillary had over Trump in 2016 when he won the EC)
    IPSOS is the only pollster who has had Trump under 45% in a 2 way with Harris rather than a 5 way. So while encouraging for Harris supporters she has taken the lead over Trump in one poll it is with the worst pollster for Trump

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
    I think you are heading for a huge disappointment as Harris 'Trumps' Trump

    Indeed the old saying a 'week is a long time in politics' and 'events' have merged to change the narrative very much in favour of Harris
    RCP has Trump currently on 48.8% on average, ahead of Harris on 46.6%
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
    Based on a date range of 5 to 22 July.
    Morning Consult was taken Sunday and Monday and has Trump 2% ahead

    But then it's not the average you were talking about. Just a single poll.
    Which is above the average rating for Trump
    But an average of one?

    I don't think you studied the application of statistics to historical research, did you?
    Above the average for all the polls over the last month in a poll taken over the last 2 days
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    And you're neutral on Braverman?
    That’s another glass of bubbly you owe me! Braveman would likely make me politically homeless after almost 50 years’ membership. But you already knew that.
    I shall ensure you have a glass or two of bubbly at the next PB working man's lunch.
    Sommeliers see people like you coming. Buy the man a bottle FFS, it's free after the third glass.
    @TSE - you heard the man.
    I did.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sir Kid Starver says his Red Tory Party does have the right to cut off food from starving kids

    Whats good for Gaza is good for GB

    What about good for Ukraine?
    Nah he has found £3 BN a year for them

    Ironically the same as required for this

    Austerity is a political choice
    I was thinking more about the Russian actions you seem to be constantly furious with Starmer for mentioning yet rather quiet about yourself.
    I prioritise spending on stopping child poverty in the UK and on the NHS over tax payer handouts to Ukraine for a war they cant win and paying for British jets to escort Israeli ones on their next Genocide project.

    Its about political choices.

    The line we cant afford it is pathetic when we clearly can for Starvers pet projects
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    OOOOOOH

    #New @Reuters Poll

    🔵 Harris 44% (+2)
    🔴 Trump 42%

    IPSOS - 1018 RV - 7/22


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1815803619221950786

    Albeit IPSOS is one of the most favourable pollsters for Harris with Trump much lower than other polls and who had her on 44% in their last poll too (plus a 2% lead for her is no more than Hillary had over Trump in 2016 when he won the EC)
    IPSOS is the only pollster who has had Trump under 45% in a 2 way with Harris rather than a 5 way. So while encouraging for Harris supporters she has taken the lead over Trump in one poll it is with the worst pollster for Trump

    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
    I think you are heading for a huge disappointment as Harris 'Trumps' Trump

    Indeed the old saying a 'week is a long time in politics' and 'events' have merged to change the narrative very much in favour of Harris
    RCP has Trump currently on 48.8% on average, ahead of Harris on 46.6%
    https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
    Based on a date range of 5 to 22 July.
    Morning Consult was taken Sunday and Monday and has Trump 2% ahead

    But then it's not the average you were talking about. Just a single poll.
    Which is above the average rating for Trump
    But an average of one?

    I don't think you studied the application of statistics to historical research, did you?
    Above the average for all the polls over the last month in a poll taken over the last 2 days
    in which case it is about as useful as a chocolate bunsen burner tripod.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    #NEW @YouGovAmerica/@YahooNews National Poll:

    🔵Harris 46%
    🔴Trump 46%

    2 point shift towards Harris since last week


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1815805417500418283
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586

    I've just been watching the live stream of Harris's first campaign rally on ABC. A pretty impressive performance by Harris all around. Spoke well. Defined her own positions v those of Trump very clearly. Defined herself now she has the spotlight. The enthusiasm in the crowd was something else.

    In Milwaukee? Wisconsin? In the midst of the Midwest? And the buckle of the Rust Belt?

    Shirley you jest? Cheering a "woke", "childless", "coastal elitist" like Kamala Harris???

    Truly the Age of Miracles hath not yet passed!
    American political rally attended by enthusiasts for the politician(s) on display?

    Water is wet, Pope is Catholic etc…
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    #NEW @YouGovAmerica/@YahooNews National Poll:

    🔵Harris 46%
    🔴Trump 46%

    2 point shift towards Harris since last week


    https://x.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1815805417500418283

    Presumably HYUFD will allocate the DKs to Mr Trump now?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 10,696

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sir Kid Starver says his Red Tory Party does have the right to cut off food from starving kids

    Whats good for Gaza is good for GB

    What about good for Ukraine?
    Nah he has found £3 BN a year for them

    Ironically the same as required for this

    Austerity is a political choice
    I was thinking more about the Russian actions you seem to be constantly furious with Starmer for mentioning yet rather quiet about yourself.
    I prioritise spending on stopping child poverty in the UK and on the NHS over tax payer handouts to Ukraine for a war they cant win and paying for British jets to escort Israeli ones on their next Genocide project.

    Its about political choices.

    The line we cant afford it is pathetic when we clearly can for Starvers pet projects
    British jets have not escorted Israeli ones during any attacks on Gaza. Ukraine appear to be doing a good job of not losing their war.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,301
    TRUMP TELLS REPORTERS HE WILL DEBATE HARRIS

    https://x.com/NewsWire_US/status/1815821651478466631
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sir Kid Starver says his Red Tory Party does have the right to cut off food from starving kids

    Whats good for Gaza is good for GB

    What about good for Ukraine?
    Nah he has found £3 BN a year for them

    Ironically the same as required for this

    Austerity is a political choice
    I was thinking more about the Russian actions you seem to be constantly furious with Starmer for mentioning yet rather quiet about yourself.
    I prioritise spending on stopping child poverty in the UK and on the NHS over tax payer handouts to Ukraine for a war they cant win and paying for British jets to escort Israeli ones on their next Genocide project.

    Its about political choices.

    The line we cant afford it is pathetic when we clearly can for Starvers pet projects
    Not unhinged at all. No siree.

    Tell us, have you taken a position on electric boats with sharks in the vicinity?
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    "Conservative MPs will then whittle the list down to the final two candidates, and Tory members will elect the winner. The members’ ballot will close on 31 October and the result will be announced on 2 November. Only those who have been party members for at least 90 days before voting concludes will be eligible to vote." https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/22/tories-will-pick-new-leader-in-november-after-agreeing-extended-timetable

    Shirley if that's right we have got till August 2 or thereabouts to buy a vote against Bad Enoch?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    BBC News - Children returned to family after Leeds disorder
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyj41w72vn8o

    What a messy situation.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,548

    I've just been watching the live stream of Harris's first campaign rally on ABC. A pretty impressive performance by Harris all around. Spoke well. Defined her own positions v those of Trump very clearly. Defined herself now she has the spotlight. The enthusiasm in the crowd was something else.

    In Milwaukee? Wisconsin? In the midst of the Midwest? And the buckle of the Rust Belt?

    Shirley you jest? Cheering a "woke", "childless", "coastal elitist" like Kamala Harris???

    Truly the Age of Miracles hath not yet passed!
    American political rally attended by enthusiasts for the politician(s) on display?

    Water is wet, Pope is Catholic etc…
    Was just riffing off of the Vicar's patented anti-Harris sermonette.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,792

    viewcode said:

    JohnO said:

    You have until tomorrow evening to join us blue not-so-lovelies to vote for our new Leader. A bargain at £39 and please form an orderly queue.

    Would be OK with Cleverly, Stride or Tugenhat (though he rather flatters to deceive). Not keen at all on Patel or Jenrick.

    How do you join, @JohnO?
    https://membership.conservatives.com/membership/Levels
    Thank you
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Latest Opinion Poll

    LAB 33.7%
    CON 23.7%
    LD 12.2%
    REF 14.3%
    GRN 6.4%

    Fieldwork 4/7/24

    Sample Size 28.88 million

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    BBC News - Children returned to family after Leeds disorder
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cyj41w72vn8o

    What a messy situation.

    Another classic headline. Implies the kids are back with mum and dad. They are not. Extended family seems to have gone missing from the headline.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,823
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    Latest Opinion Poll

    LAB 33.7%
    CON 23.7%
    LD 12.2%
    REF 14.3%
    GRN 6.4%

    Fieldwork 4/7/24

    Sample Size 28.88 million

    Fake news. There has been a more recent one, albeit with a smaller number of participants.
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