Boring for lack of a better word is good. Boring is right. Boring works. And boring, you mark my words, has not only saved the Labour party but will save the UK.
Someone on wikipedia isn’t optimistic about British democracy - they’ve gone and tagged the ‘Next United Kingdom general election’ article for speedy deletion!
Not sure how statistically valid that Reform/drive graph is. Those blobs on the right are hiding a lot of other blobs. May just be a random correlation.
North Cornwall an impressive LibDem performance to rack up a 10k majority. And I didn’t think Labour would win South East Cornwall. The Duchy has no blue and my Mum has a Labour MP for the first time in 60 odd years.
Excellent speech I thought. First time I've been convinced by Starmer as PM material.
Starmer strikes exactly the right tone. But the question will be how big is the gap between him and the labour party MP's. How many of the latter will be happy with this 'boring' approach?
I'm guessing @HYUFD is going to be one of the most interesting posters on here over the next few months. They always have their finger on the pulse of what is happening amongst the Tory party membership, and that's going to be fascinating.
Listening to people discuss the election today who are more on the right, there is a risk they see the lower Labour vote share and split vote on the right as meaning they have an easy path back to government.
They don't. Labour lost potential voters to Reform during the campaign - many of whom would have never voted Tory. People felt free to vote Green or other in larger numbers knowing a Labour majority was a certainty. The Tories lost votes to the Lib Dems in the south they need to win back.
Bringing back together a winning coalition of the right won't be easy. It's doable, but requires someone to unite the different wings rather than throw their lot in with a Reform-esque platform. I suspect the Tories will learn the wrong lessons from the vote detail and do exactly that.
As for Labour, I can only hope Starmer takes the opportunity of a large majority for significant reform straight away. He's over 60 himself so hopefully less inclined to wanting a 10-15 year term, but instead be effective early on.
“If I were you I’d reverse what I did to win this massive majority”
If I were you, I’d focus now on a massive charm offensive to win back the left wing and minority voters you abused and insulted, believing we were irrelevant and had nowhere to go.
Yes Labour vote rose most in their target seats but fell in many inner city seats which gave them their big majority with FPTP.
Reform cost the Tories, especially in market towns, rural areas and ex industrial area cities they won in 2019
As I keep saying, that depends entirely on who they would have voted for, otherwise. This needs some urgent research. My guess is that many of them hate the current lot of Conservatives just as much as the rest of us.
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I’m definitely going to have a go at that journey through Lib Dem territory from West London to Devon, ideally with a couple of boats onwards to Cornwall. A nice itinerary through some of the South’s prettiest landscapes.
There’s a decent drive down to the Sussex coast too.
“If I were you I’d reverse what I did to win this massive majority”
If I were you, I’d focus now on a massive charm offensive to win back the left wing and minority voters you abused and insulted, believing we were irrelevant and had nowhere to go.
We already have the Israelis and Hamas fighting over Palestine. Giving it to Corbyn, McDonnell and Jones just isn't going to work unfortunately, as much as it would be lovely to get them a bit further away.
Interesting stats. The one that would be interesting is the swing required next time for Lab to lose its majority. Doesn't feel like it would be that high.
North Cornwall an impressive LibDem performance to rack up a 10k majority. And I didn’t think Labour would win South East Cornwall. The Duchy has no blue and my Mum has a Labour MP for the first time in 60 odd years.
That's the County of Cornwall, the Duchy is different and includes Dartmoor (largely blue - Cox and Stride) and the Oval cricket ground (lab) and a lot of other stuff
The lucky generalism possibly continues into his first year as PM. Immigration will come down of its own accord simply by maths. Palestine is looking encouraging with a ceasefire imminent.
Assuming the Tories don't go back to the centre - which I hope they will - the country now have an even clearer sense of who to vote for, to stop the Tories.
Reform vote percentage 14 -15.99% band (10 bf) Turnout 57.50 - 59.99% band (8.3 bf) Con seats 100-149 band (4.0 bf) Tewkesbury LD (20/1 Bet365) Honiton & Sidmouth LD (5/2 Bet365) Ashfield Reform (13/5 Bet365) A chunky bet on Con to lose over 200 seats (1.83 bf)
All winners.
Narrow 43/1 loser!:
Labour vote percentage 34.00 - 35.99%
Very good election for my bets. Would have been even better if it were not for Magic Grandpa.
“If I were you I’d reverse what I did to win this massive majority”
If I were you, I’d focus now on a massive charm offensive to win back the left wing and minority voters you abused and insulted, believing we were irrelevant and had nowhere to go.
I’m definitely going to have a go at that journey through Lib Dem territory from West London to Devon, ideally with a couple of boats onwards to Cornwall. A nice itinerary through some of the South’s prettiest landscapes.
There’s a decent drive down to the Sussex coast too.
I was wrong opt about the southerly approach, I thought you could nip up the Tamar and disembark on the right bank into north Cornwall, which actually does not come quite down to the river.
Listening to people discuss the election today who are more on the right, there is a risk they see the lower Labour vote share and split vote on the right as meaning they have an easy path back to government.
They don't. Labour lost potential voters to Reform during the campaign - many of whom would have never voted Tory. People felt free to vote Green or other in larger numbers knowing a Labour majority was a certainty. The Tories lost votes to the Lib Dems in the south they need to win back.
Bringing back together a winning coalition of the right won't be easy. It's doable, but requires someone to unite the different wings rather than throw their lot in with a Reform-esque platform. I suspect the Tories will learn the wrong lessons from the vote detail and do exactly that.
As for Labour, I can only hope Starmer takes the opportunity of a large majority for significant reform straight away. He's over 60 himself so hopefully less inclined to wanting a 10-15 year term, but instead be effective early on.
They need a leader with a bit of charisma who would make a contrast with Starmer and a simple reason or two (a successor to "Get Brexit Done") for people to vote for them.
And above all they need Starmer to cock up in some way that cuts through to the non-tribal share of the electorate (I'm guessing planning reform and changes to local government taxation or some Nut Zero overreach could conceivably do that but who knows?) and gets the missing voters back to the ballot box.
“If I were you I’d reverse what I did to win this massive majority”
If I were you, I’d focus now on a massive charm offensive to win back the left wing and minority voters you abused and insulted, believing we were irrelevant and had nowhere to go.
Reform vote percentage 14 -15.99% band (10 bf) Turnout 57.50 - 59.99% band (8.3 bf) Con seats 100-149 band (4.0 bf) Tewkesbury LD (20/1 Bet365) Honiton & Sidmouth LD (5/2 Bet365) Ashfield Reform (13/5 Bet365) A chunky bet on Con to lose over 200 seats (1.83 bf)
All winners.
Narrow 43/1 loser!:
Labour vote percentage 34.00 - 35.99%
Very good election for my bets. Would have been even better if it were not for Magic Grandpa.
Could the last two declarations not spoil that turnout bet?
I feel for Sunak. Decent high calibre chap, chewed up by party politics. He didn't have much of a chance but he wasn't PM material. Too nice, much too timid and meek. A back-room geek sort not a leader.
The Cons must come together and select a strong leader; May, Johnson and Sunak were not that.
What this means IMHO, is that the talk of a Tory civil war is overblown. The remaining MPs are likely to be less ideological and will mainly be looking for a safe pair of hands. I would put my money on Barclay.
It also wouldn't surprise me if we get 1-2 defections to Reform (perhaps Suella)
If Starmer succeeds, then he will win comfortably in 2029.
However, there is an awful lot on his in tray and labours traditional solutions will make things worse.
Without being hyperbolic, Labours future rests principally on Rachel Reeves shoulders and Starmers willingness to let her do things that will have the left of the party and the Libdems, and even some "one nation" conservatives up in arms.
His large majority with losses of inner city seats and gains of places like Hitchin will help.
However, if Starmer bottles it like Blair did with Frank Field and neuters or removes her, then Farage will be hovering like a vulture in 2029.
The lucky generalism possibly continues into his first year as PM. Immigration will come down of its own accord simply by maths. Palestine is looking encouraging with a ceasefire imminent.
Total immigration, yes. But small boat immigration will only fall if asylum claims are rapidly processed and those whose claim fails are promptly deported. And that will take money.
If Starmer succeeds, then he will win comfortably in 2029.
However, there is an awful lot on his in tray and labours traditional solutions will make things worse.
Without being hyperbolic, Labours future rests principally on Rachel Reeves shoulders and Starmers willingness to let her do things that will have the left of the party and the Libdems, and even some "one nation" conservatives up in arms.
His large majority with losses of inner city seats and gains of places like Hitchin will help.
However, if Starmer bottles it like Blair did with Frank Field and neuters or removes her, then Farage will be hovering like a vulture in 2029.
Reform vote percentage 14 -15.99% band (10 bf) Turnout 57.50 - 59.99% band (8.3 bf) Con seats 100-149 band (4.0 bf) Tewkesbury LD (20/1 Bet365) Honiton & Sidmouth LD (5/2 Bet365) Ashfield Reform (13/5 Bet365) A chunky bet on Con to lose over 200 seats (1.83 bf)
All winners.
Narrow 43/1 loser!:
Labour vote percentage 34.00 - 35.99%
Very good election for my bets. Would have been even better if it were not for Magic Grandpa.
Could the last two declarations not spoil that turnout bet?
Possible yes but price for my selection is 1.05 now so I've claimed it!
If Starmer succeeds, then he will win comfortably in 2029.
However, there is an awful lot on his in tray and labours traditional solutions will make things worse.
Without being hyperbolic, Labours future rests principally on Rachel Reeves shoulders and Starmers willingness to let her do things that will have the left of the party and the Libdems, and even some "one nation" conservatives up in arms.
His large majority with losses of inner city seats and gains of places like Hitchin will help.
However, if Starmer bottles it like Blair did with Frank Field and neuters or removes her, then Farage will be hovering like a vulture in 2029.
I'm not sure I agree about the Reeves point. I think the most responsibility sits on Streeting's shoulders. Fixing healthcare is the biggest raison d'etre for Labour. If they get waiting lists down and satisfaction with the NHS up they will maintain popularity.
What this means IMHO, is that the talk of a Tory civil war is overblown. The remaining MPs are likely to be less ideological and will mainly be looking for a safe pair of hands. I would put my money on Barclay.
It also wouldn't surprise me if we get 1-2 defections to Reform (perhaps Suella)
But can "safe pair of hands" beat SKS? I would consider voting for a party led by a pragmatist assuming Labour cock it up but that seems like wishful thinking unless they think he'll do a Boris?
Excellent speech I thought. First time I've been convinced by Starmer as PM material.
Starmer strikes exactly the right tone. But the question will be how big is the gap between him and the labour party MP's. How many of the latter will be happy with this 'boring' approach?
Whatever dark arts he used to silence momentum will probably work again on this.
If Starmer succeeds, then he will win comfortably in 2029.
However, there is an awful lot on his in tray and labours traditional solutions will make things worse.
Without being hyperbolic, Labours future rests principally on Rachel Reeves shoulders and Starmers willingness to let her do things that will have the left of the party and the Libdems, and even some "one nation" conservatives up in arms.
His large majority with losses of inner city seats and gains of places like Hitchin will help.
However, if Starmer bottles it like Blair did with Frank Field and neuters or removes her, then Farage will be hovering like a vulture in 2029.
I'm not sure I agree about the Reeves point. I think the most responsibility sits on Streeting's shoulders. Fixing healthcare is the biggest raison d'etre for Labour. If they get waiting lists down and satisfaction with the NHS up they will maintain popularity.
If Reeves dosen't get it right, Streeting will end up having to impose eyewatering cuts on NHS funding before too long.
Interesting stats. The one that would be interesting is the swing required next time for Lab to lose its majority. Doesn't feel like it would be that high.
Eye balling the third diagram in the header, the benchmark would be seats less than 7000 majority would have to switch to lose overall majority . I'm not sure what 7000 is in swing terms but it's reasonably high. It depends massively on what happens with other parties, in particular Reform.
The Conservatives are a lot more vulnerable the other way. They were lucky to avoid an even more cataclysmic result.
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Starmers washed
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(well it was a little boring)
Reform cost the Tories, especially in market towns, rural areas and ex industrial area cities they won in 2019
So did the Sunaks come to think of it.
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Congratulations Sir @Keir_Starmer on your victory. Pleased with our first discussion.
We will continue the work begun with the UK for our bilateral cooperation, for peace and security in Europe, for the climate and for AI.
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Starmer doesn't care about the youth.
There. I. Said. It.
Of course he is right, though, that it is action not rhetoric that counts. Let's see what action happens in the next 100 days.
This is how you do a transfer of power from one party to another.
No rancour, no violence.
Our constitutional crises involve lettuces.
how deep do labour dig into the covid contracts?
Starmer is exceptionally well qualified to make that judgment....
They don't. Labour lost potential voters to Reform during the campaign - many of whom would have never voted Tory. People felt free to vote Green or other in larger numbers knowing a Labour majority was a certainty. The Tories lost votes to the Lib Dems in the south they need to win back.
Bringing back together a winning coalition of the right won't be easy. It's doable, but requires someone to unite the different wings rather than throw their lot in with a Reform-esque platform. I suspect the Tories will learn the wrong lessons from the vote detail and do exactly that.
As for Labour, I can only hope Starmer takes the opportunity of a large majority for significant reform straight away. He's over 60 himself so hopefully less inclined to wanting a 10-15 year term, but instead be effective early on.
“If I were you I’d reverse what I did to win this massive majority”
If I were you, I’d focus now on a massive charm offensive to win back the left wing and minority voters you abused and insulted, believing we were irrelevant and had nowhere to go.
There is no sign you’re going to do that.
Please, don’t let me interrupt you!
https://x.com/OwenJones84/status/1809188682089279683
There’s a decent drive down to the Sussex coast too.
If you don't care, and don't vote, you don't get a say. That's their choice.
Palestine for the left
Done
https://www.reformparty.uk/south-basildon-and-east-thurrock-constituency
Farage in Clacton, Tice in Boston / Skegness, Lowe (who he?) in Great Yarmouth. And the Leeanderthal Man.
Set in Crimpton-on-Sea, Essex, in the late 1950s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8dzBPlXSzQ
The TOTP version, which I did not know existed. Warning - incoming (clothed) Keith Chegwin in a Green jumper. The things they did for money:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8dzBPlXSzQ
Reform vote percentage 14 -15.99% band (10 bf)
Turnout 57.50 - 59.99% band (8.3 bf)
Con seats 100-149 band (4.0 bf)
Tewkesbury LD (20/1 Bet365)
Honiton & Sidmouth LD (5/2 Bet365)
Ashfield Reform (13/5 Bet365)
A chunky bet on Con to lose over 200 seats (1.83 bf)
All winners.
Narrow 43/1 loser!:
Labour vote percentage 34.00 - 35.99%
Very good election for my bets. Would have been even better if it were not for Magic Grandpa.
Other than Mason the BBC presenters on R4 seem unbelievably glum.
Sarah Montague focusing on Ashworth, Streeting and Phillip's performances. I'm sad for her, she's very upset.
And one poster, Sean somebody, said she would surprise on the upside.
And above all they need Starmer to cock up in some way that cuts through to the non-tribal share of the electorate (I'm guessing planning reform and changes to local government taxation or some Nut Zero overreach could conceivably do that but who knows?) and gets the missing voters back to the ballot box.
The Cons must come together and select a strong leader; May, Johnson and Sunak were not that.
Without going through every seat, I think there are only about 10 of their previous subscribers left. Equally a lot of the One Nation Caucus have also lost their seats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation_Conservatives_(caucus)
What this means IMHO, is that the talk of a Tory civil war is overblown. The remaining MPs are likely to be less ideological and will mainly be looking for a safe pair of hands. I would put my money on Barclay.
It also wouldn't surprise me if we get 1-2 defections to Reform (perhaps Suella)
However, there is an awful lot on his in tray and labours traditional solutions will make things worse.
Without being hyperbolic, Labours future rests principally on Rachel Reeves shoulders and Starmers willingness to let her do things that will have the left of the party and the Libdems, and even some "one nation" conservatives up in arms.
His large majority with losses of inner city seats and gains of places like Hitchin will help.
However, if Starmer bottles it like Blair did with Frank Field and neuters or removes her, then Farage will be hovering like a vulture in 2029.
I thought Jess Phillips won?
The Conservatives are a lot more vulnerable the other way. They were lucky to avoid an even more cataclysmic result.