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Is this going to be this year’s Portillo moment as Jeremy Hunt holds on. – politicalbetting.com

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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,969
    MikeL said:

    Lab just fell under 36% - now 35.9%

    1997 this is not...
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813

    AMT loses North Northumberland. Tories have lost virtually everything in the north east?

    Stockton West is the sole survivor.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379
    edited July 5
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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,366
    GIN1138 said:

    MikeL said:

    Lab just fell under 36% - now 35.9%

    1997 this is not...
    On under 60% turn out.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    Cons hold NW Norfolk
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,854
    pigeon said:

    AMT loses North Northumberland. Tories have lost virtually everything in the north east?

    Stockton West is the sole survivor.
    Blimey, that's an absolute roasting.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572
    Govey’s old seat goes LibDem!
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 136
    Will these Gazans swear allegiance to the head of the armed forces?
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,759
    Blimey, LD took Surrey Heath but not Hunt’s seat. Says alot about Hunt’s personal vote.
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 52
    MikeL said:

    Lab just fell under 36% - now 35.9%

    Very similar to the may local election projections. We should have got it done then and saved everyone 2 months.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    Labour gain Cowdenbeath
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092
    SF hold onto Fermanagh by over 500 votes - big majority for this seat :lol:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    Mark Pritchard holds The Wrekin by 883 votes.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001543
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,238
    This is a really wooden speech by Starmer.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572
    Andy_JS said:
    The Tory vote went down! Labour lost more, to the Greens and Workers
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 659
    Reform seats offered prices to be flying around as if bots going haywire. No sign of non trivial bets happening. What are we waiting for?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,759
    Andy_JS said:
    Andy_JS said:
    Probably a Con (re)gain next time around.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,057

    Rees-Mogg loses Somerset NE!!

    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind. :)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    Andy_JS said:
    I think that’s a bit misleading. The headline swing is because their vote went down rather less than Labour’s did.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,366
    What went on in Bath. The sitting Lib Dem MP was down 12%.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    MikeL said:

    Lab just fell under 36% - now 35.9%

    I was worried my forecast of 35.76% was far too low, but it looks like it's going to be too high!?
  • LloydBanksLloydBanks Posts: 45

    Blackburn. Massive Gaza problem for Labour. Has cost half a dozen seats.

    It's a problem at the moment, but five years of these MPs talking about nothing other than Gaza will wear pretty thin by the time the next election rolls around, particularly if things calm down there
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,067
    DM_Andy said:

    Question for constitutional bods, if the three independents get together into a parliamentary group do they get Short Money?

    No - I think you need to have secured the seats for a registered political party at the previous General Election - you can't just subsequently form a party and claim (e.g. ChangeUK were elected as Labour and Tory MPs so didn't qualify in their short existence).

    The amount of Short Money you'd be getting for a couple of MPs and a few thousand votes is also pretty minor. You might be able to get employ a junior member of staff. Greens will get a decent amount as, although they've only got a couple of MPs, they have a lot of votes across the UK too, and that goes into the calculation.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731

    Will these Gazans swear allegiance to the head of the armed forces?

    I expect so. Shockat Adam isn't a fanatic

    https://shockatadam.org/
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,415
    "Country first, party second isn't a slogan". Er, yes it is.

    Almost at "This is not a time for soundbites, but I feel the hand of history on our shoulders" levels of nonsense
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    edited July 5
    Lab gain Rochester and Strood, Morecambe and Halesowen, Wakefield, Loughborough and Southend W and Leigh
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092
    tlg86 said:

    A new dawn has broken...

    ...has it not?
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    edited July 5

    Blimey, LD took Surrey Heath but not Hunt’s seat. Says alot about Hunt’s personal vote.

    Danger of targeting too much. Reminded me of the Lib Dems' decapitation strategy in 2005. If Maidenhead didn't know that the Tories were in trouble then May might have been gone but she was threatened with a loss and her constituents valued her enough as their local MP to save her.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    Brecon LD gain
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127

    This is a really wooden speech by Starmer.

    Were you expecting him to suddenly turn into Laurence Olivier?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572

    What went on in Bath. The sitting Lib Dem MP was down 12%.

    Looks like an overflow of the Green effect from Bristol
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127

    HYUFD said:

    Lab gain Rochester and Strood, Morecambe and Halesowen

    Blimey that's a big seat.
    Chisti was man enough to handle a big seat :smile:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    Damian Green defeated in Ashford by 1,779 votes.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001069
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379

    HYUFD said:

    Lab gain Rochester and Strood, Morecambe and Halesowen

    Blimey that's a big seat.
    Boundary changes innit.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 775
    Greens win North Herefordshire
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    DM_Andy said:

    This is a really wooden speech by Starmer.

    Were you expecting him to suddenly turn into Laurence Olivier?
    A Roger Moore instead.

    Oh no, that was Nick Clegg.
  • BBC says the majority is to be 170 again :/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    edited July 5
    Labour gain Cities of London and Westminster, Hull West and Mid Derbyshire
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572
    We want Truss!

    Or, rather, we don’t.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,583
    LD sweeping up most of Devon and Somerset
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,366
    edited July 5
    Andy_JS said:

    Damian Green defeated in Ashford by 1,779 votes.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001069

    Reform doing the damage there against him with 10k votes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    edited July 5
    Cons hold Stone and Chester South and Eddisbury and North Dorset
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,574
    So, when's the next opinion poll due? :smiley:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    This is a really wooden speech by Starmer.

    He’s terrible. I wish him well, but jeez
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572
    Streeting is a b****y lucky guy
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    Nunu5 said:

    BREAKING: The FOURTH pro-Gaza independent has beat Labour, this time in Blackburn

    I'm pleased Starmer has won such a huge majority without being beholden to the various far left and Hamas-sympathising independents who believe that Gaza is the most important issue facing the UK.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,384
    IanB2 said:

    What went on in Bath. The sitting Lib Dem MP was down 12%.

    Looks like an overflow of the Green effect from Bristol
    Yes, the Greens didn't stand in Bath in 2019, they got 12% this time.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092
    IanB2 said:

    Streeting is a b****y lucky guy

    528 votes lucky!
  • Nunu5Nunu5 Posts: 954

    Will these Gazans swear allegiance to the head of the armed forces?

    Why wouldn't they.
    Try answering that without sounding like a massive racist
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572
    RobD said:

    So, when's the next opinion poll due? :smiley:

    I think the MRPs have a few sums to work on?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    Deputy Speaker Nigel Evans defeated by Labour in Ribble Valley by 856 votes.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001443
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,574
    IanB2 said:

    RobD said:

    So, when's the next opinion poll due? :smiley:

    I think the MRPs have a few sums to work on?
    But that wold be for predicting an election held yesterday. What if one were to be held today?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    Leon said:

    This is a really wooden speech by Starmer.

    He’s terrible. I wish him well, but jeez
    I couldn't believe it when he started talking about "the party".
  • Tim_in_RuislipTim_in_Ruislip Posts: 401
    IanB2 said:

    Streeting is a b****y lucky guy

    Rather very unlucky that the ME kicked off when it did.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,631
    Does North Down going indpendent mean Sylvia Herman is back?
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,415
    Ind Unionist Alex Easton now confirmed as winning North Down.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/N05000013

    That probably leaves Sorcha Eastwood in Lagan Valley as the only APNI MP this time round (though Belfast East hasn't yet officially declared)
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,067

    Blimey, LD took Surrey Heath but not Hunt’s seat. Says alot about Hunt’s personal vote.

    Hunt is not only a good operator and tough fighter but he is the sort of quite traditional fiscal conservative that the party needs in their tent. That's the challenge - how do they keep people like Hunt on board (not saying he'd flounce out personally - I mean the sort of voters who are like him) while winning back RefUK types? It's very difficult.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,583
    McVey holds on by 1k
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    Leon said:

    This is a really wooden speech by Starmer.

    He’s terrible. I wish him well, but jeez
    Well he did only get Blair's 2005 voteshare not his 1997 voteshare to be fair to him, he never had Blair's charisma or oratory.

    What Starmer does have is utter ruthlessness though in shifting Labour to the centre and ruthlessly targeting Conservative and SNP seats to reverse the 2019 GE result and get a Labour landslide
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    Ilford North

    Lab (Streeting) 15647
    Ind Mohamad 15119
    Con 9619
    Ref 3621
    Grn 1794
    LD 1088

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001300
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092
    Alex Easton GAINS North Down from Alliance.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    edited July 5
    Labour gain Truro and Falmouth and Calder Valley, Leeds NW and NE Herts
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    This is a really wooden speech by Starmer.

    He’s terrible. I wish him well, but jeez
    I couldn't believe it when he started talking about "the party".
    Did he mention the beer and korma?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    I think we can discard canvassing results in South Devon in the future. No support for the LDs and no one voting Reform it seems. NOT.


  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    The scale of the defeat is probably too much for the tories to swing a majority in one term, but I could see a hung parliament next election, with only 36% of the vote for Labour.

    If we don’t change our electoral system we may just end up being more like Canada, with a multi party system forcing its way into FPTP.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379
    OllyT said:

    Nunu5 said:

    BREAKING: The FOURTH pro-Gaza independent has beat Labour, this time in Blackburn

    I'm pleased Starmer has won such a huge majority without being beholden to the various far left and Hamas-sympathising independents who believe that Gaza is the most important issue facing the UK.
    Indeed, because if he had been beholden to them, he wouldn't have won such a huge majority.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    edited July 5
    Conservatives hold Romford and Hornchurch and Upminster, Tatton, S Shropshire and E Hampshire and S Suffolk and Salisbury
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    148grss said:

    Amazing Green result in North Herefordshire


    Strangely MRP got that right. I got on on 10
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,583
    Villiers out
  • I am extremely happy but I am also disappointed in the share of the vote being poor. Lots for Labour to do.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 80,366
    Labour's Diane Abbott wins Hackney North and Stoke Newington with a healthy majority of more than 15,000 - down from 29,000 at the last election.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,440
    Foxy said:

    I think we can discard canvassing results in South Devon in the future. No support for the LDs and no one voting Reform it seems. NOT.


    3/4 of the Brixham Con "Maybes" voting Reform
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572
    Anyone up for doing it again tomorrow with the version where the Tories only get 60 seats?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    Sutton Coldfield

    Con (Mitchell) 18502
    Lab 15959
    Ref 8213
    LD 2587
    Grn 2419
    WPB 653

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001535
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    The scale of the defeat is probably too much for the tories to swing a majority in one term, but I could see a hung parliament next election, with only 36% of the vote for Labour.

    If we don’t change our electoral system we may just end up being more like Canada, with a multi party system forcing its way into FPTP.

    We all thought that in 2019. Indeed, as late as Hartlepool.

    We were wrong.

    The story of the last ten years is the volatility of the electorate. Maybe that will continue.
  • Labour still within touching distance of matching Blair's 1997 landslide, BBC say it's 170 again lol
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,059
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:
    I think that’s a bit misleading. The headline swing is because their vote went down rather less than Labour’s did.
    That Green candidate has quite the name.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,759
    biggles said:

    Does North Down going indpendent mean Sylvia Herman is back?

    Alex Easton is ex-DUP, now Independent Unionist.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,843
    ITV just updated forecast again, 127 for tories, 68 for LDs. Lab still on 414. 4 for Reform, 8 for SNP.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092
    biggles said:

    Does North Down going indpendent mean Sylvia Herman is back?

    Alex Easton, ex-DUP man.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,057

    Greens win North Herefordshire

    And I win 70*(2/5) + 70*(4/11) = £81.45 profit. :)

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/07/02/chronicle-of-a-bet-foretold-thin-gruel/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572
    edited July 5
    Casino gets to keep his Tory MP, at least. By 1,250

    A small consolation prize.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,092
    Tories still have only 84 seats so far!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    Tonbridge -> Con hold

    Con (Tugendhat) 20,517
    Lab 9,351
    Grn 7,596
    Ref 7,548
    LD 4,234
    SDP 156
    Ind Alliance Kent 926
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,018
    Bloody hell:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001366

    Mid Sussex:

    LD - 49%
    Lab - 22%
    Reform - 14%
    Con - 10%
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,379
    Tories retain North Dorset by 1589 votes over LDs
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,583
    Tugendhat wins - huge 13k majority
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731

    IanB2 said:

    Streeting is a b****y lucky guy

    Rather very unlucky that the ME kicked off when it did.
    Starmers response was sub optimal.

    Supporting a blockade of food and water to Gaza for example.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    tlg86 said:

    Bloody hell:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001366

    Mid Sussex:

    LD - 49%
    Lab - 22%
    Reform - 14%
    Con - 10%

    First to fourth!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    North Dorset

    Con 18208
    LD 16619
    Ref 7894
    Lab 4370
    Grn 2082

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001388
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572
    edited July 5
    Truss too close to call

    Labour thinks it’s Reform v Labour with Truss in third
  • IanB2 said:

    Casino gets to keep his Tory MP, at least. By 1,250

    A small consolation prize.

    East Hants?

    Very narrow win indeed. For that to be a marginal is extraordinary.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,849

    The scale of the defeat is probably too much for the tories to swing a majority in one term, but I could see a hung parliament next election, with only 36% of the vote for Labour.

    If we don’t change our electoral system we may just end up being more like Canada, with a multi party system forcing its way into FPTP.

    This strikes me as a high water mark for Reform though.

    Yes small parties can succeed in Westminster but it’s a hard grind and I don’t think they have the focus. Farage will also be 65 at the next election and not sure I see anyone else capable of succeeding him
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,018
    ydoethur said:

    tlg86 said:

    Bloody hell:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001366

    Mid Sussex:

    LD - 49%
    Lab - 22%
    Reform - 14%
    Con - 10%

    First to fourth!
    Boundary changes, but still.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 775
    Foxy said:

    I think we can discard canvassing results in South Devon in the future. No support for the LDs and no one voting Reform it seems. NOT.


    I think we can discard certain reporting of canvassing in South Devon.
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