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Chronicle of a bet foretold: Thin gruel – politicalbetting.com

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edited July 4 in General
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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603
    Online betting for the win.
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 993
    Whilst I would be happy if Liberal Democrats double their seats to 30, the Tories must be worried. Rishi Sunak has made two visits to Hinckley and Bosworth. H and B is a long way down the Lib Dem target list but locally they run the council (23 Lib Dems, 9 Conservative, 1 Labour) and are running an excellent campaign which is going very well at least in Hinckley.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    I have never been in a physical bookies, have always bet online.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,348
    You bet online and they can tie you to your online account and they can see every previous bet you've placed and use that knowledge against you.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,638
    What viewcode is describing is a productivity gain.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603

    You bet online and they can tie you to your online account and they can see every previous bet you've placed and use that knowledge against you.

    How does one bet in store with Betfair?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    FPT.

    On the subject of student loans adding 9% to tax, I looked up my first year of paying PAYE in 1988. 25% basic rate and personal allowance of £2605, so probably paying a higher percentage of income tax than a fresh graduate now with a student loan.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited July 2
    How much is the experience that the betting shops aren't what they were in 2016 they were making loads of money out of the FOBT, but the government put stricter limits on those. So far less incentive for bookies for making the experience betting for punters in shops, instead driving them to lower cost of doing business online.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Um that's very interesting but it's like those whacky comedians who walk round Iraq with a fridge freezer or take an ironing board to the south pole, or like politicians trying to live on the minimum wage. You are online anyway. Nobody is going to hack your Betfair app.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Newcastle’s Swan House roundabout has a huge electronic ad with a picture of Rishi looking sleepy with the text saying “don’t wake up to another 5 years of the tories”. Slay.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,775
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: backed McLaren at 4.1 (Ladbrokes boosted) to win the Constructors. There are 13 races to go and they're 87 points behind. Verstappen and Norris seem neck and neck. Piastri and Perez are very much not neck and neck. If McLaren can average 7 more points per race they take the title.

    Still a slightly outside bet, but more like 2.5 to maybe 3, I think.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Um that's very interesting but it's like those whacky comedians who walk round Iraq with a fridge freezer or take an ironing board to the south pole, or like politicians trying to live on the minimum wage. You are online anyway. Nobody is going to hack your Betfair app.

    I’m not a full-time punter by any stretch but I do find this whole area to be yet another erosion of civil liberties.

    I mentioned the other day on here that my bank rang me up two or three years ago to ask if I had a gambling addiction. I’d placed a few bets on something and it’s not like I bet particularly frequently - every other month kind of thing.

    I did take delight in pointing out that I had won the bets, as I usually do, but it still peed me off.

    That’s my f-ing money not the bank’s.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Foxy said:

    FPT.

    On the subject of student loans adding 9% to tax, I looked up my first year of paying PAYE in 1988. 25% basic rate and personal allowance of £2605, so probably paying a higher percentage of income tax than a fresh graduate now with a student loan.

    1985 33% salary of under £5k for my first full time job. Allowance about £2k and 33% income tax on the rest.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,808
    Foxy said:

    I have never been in a physical bookies, have always bet online.

    Never been in a bookies? Now that is a sign of a misspent youth.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,348

    You bet online and they can tie you to your online account and they can see every previous bet you've placed and use that knowledge against you.

    How does one bet in store with Betfair?
    You may prefer Betfair to the traditional bookies now, but if they were to become a monopoly you would come to regret it.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,638

    Newcastle’s Swan House roundabout has a huge electronic ad with a picture of Rishi looking sleepy with the text saying “don’t wake up to another 5 years of the tories”. Slay.

    That's a brutal ad.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252

    Heathener said:

    Sandpit said:

    Christ Biden has had the Trump orange treatment.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51yx1n15y4o

    You see, you watch that and he's perfectly lucid.

    Only 50 days till the convention.
    Its chalk and cheese compared to the debate. The first 30 minutes of the debate he had no clue where he was, could hardly speak, kept freezing in between answers. If that version of Biden was one of my parents I would be looking at getting them into a care home ASAP.

    He "woke up" a bit second half, then looked back to totally zombified at the end, frozen on the stage.

    I am struggling to buy the argument that it is because he is just old. He spent 7 days off away preparing for the debate so should have been fresh.
    He clearly has good days and bad days, perhaps even good hours and bad hours. It’s genuinely sad to watch, especially the video at the end of the debate, and the subsequent appearance with his wife talking to him like a child while he was just frozen in place.

    He’s clearly not well, and certainly isn’t going to get any better in the next four years. Any loving family should just tap him on the shoulder and say that enough is enough - but political families don’t think like that.
    Well the report came out the other day, 10-4 is really the only hours he normally functions. I mean Starmer taking Friday night off to be with his family is one thing, but leader of the free world who only does office hours of 10-4 on a very good day is something else and will only get worse.
    Good morning.

    One of the awful things about Sunak’s attack on Starmer is the apparent lack of awareness of what Friday night means. He really is hopeless as a politician.

    On which subject, if you’ve never seen Friday Night Dinner then it’s highly recommended. Great comedy.

    I love the fact that Keir is showing the way with something that matters. I’m sick and tired of Sunak’s nasty little attempt to normalise work-until-you-drop ethics in Britain. It may be de rigueur in Silicon Valley start-ups but it does not make for a happier world.
    Normalising work alone would be good.

    On the very rare occasion I take half-a-day off work during the working week and walk around my town, once or twice a year at best, I'm astonished at how many people simply don't work.
    You can't judge like that, many people work shifts/weekends.

    Every day you go out and get served by someone on the weekend who facilitates any entertainment on your day off . . . They need a day off too.
    I don't believe it for a second but I understand some people suspect there is also a big group of people who claim to work but actually spend their days on an obscure political betting blog. How can we make them more productive?
    Not that obscure. Over the last 20 yeara it is astonishing how often things posted here end up in the press a few days later reworded a bit (often as not columnists) or get spouted by a politician, including things I have posted on occasion.

    Often enough for me to have it in the back of my mind when posting.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603

    You bet online and they can tie you to your online account and they can see every previous bet you've placed and use that knowledge against you.

    How does one bet in store with Betfair?
    You may prefer Betfair to the traditional bookies now, but if they were to become a monopoly you would come to regret it.
    They are a monopoly when it comes to exchanges with liquidity.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,401
    Sorry to hear this @viewcode

    You just can't get the staff these days.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: backed McLaren at 4.1 (Ladbrokes boosted) to win the Constructors. There are 13 races to go and they're 87 points behind. Verstappen and Norris seem neck and neck. Piastri and Perez are very much not neck and neck. If McLaren can average 7 more points per race they take the title.

    Still a slightly outside bet, but more like 2.5 to maybe 3, I think.

    It's an interesting punt.
    The Red Bull also appears to have a less resilient engine, so that might gift McLaren the odd win for a big points gain.

    OTOH, Mercedes might now enter the mix.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603
    Nigelb said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: backed McLaren at 4.1 (Ladbrokes boosted) to win the Constructors. There are 13 races to go and they're 87 points behind. Verstappen and Norris seem neck and neck. Piastri and Perez are very much not neck and neck. If McLaren can average 7 more points per race they take the title.

    Still a slightly outside bet, but more like 2.5 to maybe 3, I think.

    It's an interesting punt.
    The Red Bull also appears to have a less resilient engine, so that might gift McLaren the odd win for a big points gain.

    OTOH, Mercedes might now enter the mix.
    I am sending a letter to Sir Lewis urging him to remain at Mercedes next year.

    Gutted to learn Mercedes are trying to sign the Dutch shunt.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651

    Newcastle’s Swan House roundabout has a huge electronic ad with a picture of Rishi looking sleepy with the text saying “don’t wake up to another 5 years of the tories”. Slay.

    Funnily enough, I saw that ad online, presumably this one, and thought it was a bit weird tbh. But maybe it's just me...

    image
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Fpt on “people apparently not working”

    I basically work every waking hour - 365 days a year. Some of us don’t get holidays

    My problem is people don’t see the work so they think I’ve got it easy. Eg when I’m sipping my Kir Breton in sunny Camaret sur Mer, courtesy of the French taxpayer, and staring vaguely and happily at the dolphins in the bay - I’m working. In my head. I’m thinking about that next flint - or the next Gazette piece, or where I can have oysters

    It never stops - it’s relentless. And it’s people like me that keep the world turning when everyone else has got their feet up, watching Season 3 of Traitors

    I like to call us “the silent heroes”
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603
    Eabhal said:

    Newcastle’s Swan House roundabout has a huge electronic ad with a picture of Rishi looking sleepy with the text saying “don’t wake up to another 5 years of the tories”. Slay.

    That's a brutal ad.
    Nah from a 2019 message I was sent.

    Practice safe X, don't wake up with a dumb blond on Friday morning.

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    I see that the final Tory play we’ve been waiting for is “48 Hours to stop the Labour Supermajority”

    Complete with comedy video showing how awful that would be.

    Have we *ever* seen an election campaign this abject from a party going into an election with a majority as big as theirs? Or from any government?

    Please don’t kill us. Pleeeeease. It will really hurt. Is. Not you. Please, no. Don’t.

    Is that it? PB Tories please explain why the party deserves to be left alive.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031
    One other point about yesterday's ruling, successful impeachment by Congress does not remove the newly invented presidential immunity from criminal prosecution.

    Despite what the Constitution says.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    Foxy said:

    FPT.

    On the subject of student loans adding 9% to tax, I looked up my first year of paying PAYE in 1988. 25% basic rate and personal allowance of £2605, so probably paying a higher percentage of income tax than a fresh graduate now with a student loan.

    Factor in inflation and graduates today are paying much more.

    Housing is by far the biggest cost in people's bills and young people don't own houses, so lets use that as an index.

    1988 the average UK house price was £35,946
    2024 the average UK house price is £282,000

    If personal allowance had scaled with our index then personal allowance today would be £20,436 - it is not.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,775
    Mr. B, Mercedes look a step behind Verstappen and a step ahead of Perez. Pushing the Mexican further down the order helps the bet, I think.

    Sadly my 29 earlier in the season on Norris seems doomed to fail. Unless we have a crazy time from here on out.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603
    edited July 2
    You withdrew £250 cash to make your bets?

    Why not use a debit card?

    One things we do not do is discuss the death of cash.

    Speaking professionally, withdrawing more than £100 plus flags up on most bank systems as a risk if it happens enough times.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,775
    Mr. Eagles, fascinating. When I withdraw cash it's almost always over £100.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,401

    You bet online and they can tie you to your online account and they can see every previous bet you've placed and use that knowledge against you.

    How does one bet in store with Betfair?
    You may prefer Betfair to the traditional bookies now, but if they were to become a monopoly you would come to regret it.
    They are a monopoly when it comes to exchanges with liquidity.
    Apart from increasing the cut they take, though, they don't punish successful gamblers. It's not their model because you're taking money from other punters, not them.

    I could see several of us only really being able to bet on Betfair.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603
    edited July 2

    Mr. Eagles, fascinating. When I withdraw cash it's almost always over £100.

    But how often do you do it?

    If you do it on a regular basis then your bank will conclude you are a smack head or paying someone cash in hand.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252
    Yay. My first ever premium bond draw and collected £75.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,401
    Heathener said:

    Um that's very interesting but it's like those whacky comedians who walk round Iraq with a fridge freezer or take an ironing board to the south pole, or like politicians trying to live on the minimum wage. You are online anyway. Nobody is going to hack your Betfair app.

    I’m not a full-time punter by any stretch but I do find this whole area to be yet another erosion of civil liberties.

    I mentioned the other day on here that my bank rang me up two or three years ago to ask if I had a gambling addiction. I’d placed a few bets on something and it’s not like I bet particularly frequently - every other month kind of thing.

    I did take delight in pointing out that I had won the bets, as I usually do, but it still peed me off.

    That’s my f-ing money not the bank’s.
    One reason I object to everything being digital is that the data is used and abused.

    I don't want companies, banks or government agencies drawing conclusions about me.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228

    Leon said:

    Fpt on “people apparently not working”

    I basically work every waking hour - 365 days a year. Some of us don’t get holidays

    My problem is people don’t see the work so they think I’ve got it easy. Eg when I’m sipping my Kir Breton in sunny Camaret sur Mer, courtesy of the French taxpayer, and staring vaguely and happily at the dolphins in the bay - I’m working. In my head. I’m thinking about that next flint - or the next Gazette piece, or where I can have oysters

    It never stops - it’s relentless. And it’s people like me that keep the world turning when everyone else has got their feet up, watching Season 3 of Traitors

    I like to call us “the silent heroes”

    I'm going to clap for you 6 pm every Thursday.
    Thanks. I’m genuinely touched

    I’m heading out to southern France in a few days to do some wine tasting in Provence for the gazette. And as I work my way through the roses and the Bandols - day after day - in the gilded sunshine and the rustling vineyards, thanklessly getting on with my job so everyone else can have their “day off” - well, put it like this: knowing that someone actually appreciates it will make all the difference.

    I’m a bit like a Tommy in the trenches getting that one letter from home every week, reading and rereading it, knowing that someone remembers me. And reminding me why I’m fighting

    You guys are why I do this
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252

    You withdrew £250 cash to make your bets?

    Why not use a debit card?

    One things we do not do is discuss the death of cash.

    Speaking professionally, withdrawing more than £100 flags up on most bank systems as a risk if it happens enough times.

    Maybe he wants to get a mortgage soon. Debits to gdmbling sites apparently set off all sorts of klaxons on mortgage applications.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546

    You withdrew £250 cash to make your bets?

    Why not use a debit card?

    One things we do not do is discuss the death of cash.

    Speaking professionally, withdrawing more than £100 flags up on most bank systems as a risk if it happens enough times.

    Heh. We used to get out £200 a week - on a Saturday - to act as housekeeping for the two of us. Any left over would get squirrelled away to be used for extraneous bills and the like, or put back into the bank.

    This stopped when we had a kid, and life didn't fit that routine. And the convenience of contactless helped the change.

    Here's the thing though; a while back I spent half a day looking into this, and comparing what we spent in 2012 with what we spend now. And even accounting for an extra mouth to feed and inflation, we spend much more. Contactless is, in a way, too easy to use if you have money in your account.

    There's nothing like having cash in your pocket to help you budget...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782
    edited July 2
    Agghhh I have done it again, posted on the last thread. @Leon I asked you a question about the ferry that I would like your feedback on. Cheers.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968

    You bet online and they can tie you to your online account and they can see every previous bet you've placed and use that knowledge against you.

    How does one bet in store with Betfair?
    You may prefer Betfair to the traditional bookies now, but if they were to become a monopoly you would come to regret it.
    They are a monopoly when it comes to exchanges with liquidity.
    Apart from increasing the cut they take, though, they don't punish successful gamblers. It's not their model because you're taking money from other punters, not them.

    I could see several of us only really being able to bet on Betfair.
    I've said it before but I'll say it again, it should be against law/their licence conditions for licensed bookies to restrict successful punters. Both those who bet well, and those who use the bookies offers well.

    It should be a condition of having a gambling licence that all bets are available to every punter equitably. If that means the bookies need to be less aggressive with their marketing because any bad offers can't be restricted only to "mugs" then that should just be part and parcel of having a licence.

    Yes that's not a completely liberal let every firm do what they want attitude, but unless you're abolishing licencing altogether then we don't have that anyway.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,775
    Mr. Eagles, probably every couple of weeks.

    I almost always buy things in shops in cash if I can.
  • MisterBedfordshireMisterBedfordshire Posts: 2,252

    You withdrew £250 cash to make your bets?

    Why not use a debit card?

    One things we do not do is discuss the death of cash.

    Speaking professionally, withdrawing more than £100 flags up on most bank systems as a risk if it happens enough times.

    Heh. We used to get out £200 a week - on a Saturday - to act as housekeeping for the two of us. Any left over would get squirrelled away to be used for extraneous bills and the like, or put back into the bank.

    This stopped when we had a kid, and life didn't fit that routine. And the convenience of contactless helped the change.

    Here's the thing though; a while back I spent half a day looking into this, and comparing what we spent in 2012 with what we spend now. And even accounting for an extra mouth to feed and inflation, we spend much more. Contactless is, in a way, too easy to use if you have money in your account.

    There's nothing like having cash in your pocket to help you budget...
    Presumably if you are a lawyer or similar, the bank starting an investigation can cause trouble at work.

    There is also the issue of them sending you a letter saying that your account will be closed in 3 months, without explanation, if they get suspicious.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Foxy said:

    FPT.

    On the subject of student loans adding 9% to tax, I looked up my first year of paying PAYE in 1988. 25% basic rate and personal allowance of £2605, so probably paying a higher percentage of income tax than a fresh graduate now with a student loan.

    Factor in inflation and graduates today are paying much more.

    Housing is by far the biggest cost in people's bills and young people don't own houses, so lets use that as an index.

    1988 the average UK house price was £35,946
    2024 the average UK house price is £282,000

    If personal allowance had scaled with our index then personal allowance today would be £20,436 - it is not.
    Though are you also facing in that interest rates were much higher in those years? My mortgage rate hit 15% in 1992 for example.

    But I was talking income tax rather than expenses, and am sure that I was paying more PAYE as a percentage of income than a twentysomething with a student loan is now.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,350

    Mr. Eagles, probably every couple of weeks.

    I almost always buy things in shops in cash if I can.

    Please let us not discuss sensitive topics at a time when the United States has ceased to be a democracy, the French have elected a bunch of Fascists, the UK is about to leave civilisation itself and the wars in Ukraine and Gaza are still ongoing.

    Discussing cash as well is just too much.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603

    You withdrew £250 cash to make your bets?

    Why not use a debit card?

    One things we do not do is discuss the death of cash.

    Speaking professionally, withdrawing more than £100 flags up on most bank systems as a risk if it happens enough times.

    Maybe he wants to get a mortgage soon. Debits to gdmbling sites apparently set off all sorts of klaxons on mortgage applications.
    Yes and no.

    It can be offset if the bank sees money coming in regularly from the bookies.

    Pro tip.

    Have a separate bank account solely for gambling.

    Make sure it isn’t part of the same banking group as your main account such as Lloyds and Bank of Scotland etc.

    Your main bank account where you apply for credit will never know about it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    ydoethur said:

    Mr. Eagles, probably every couple of weeks.

    I almost always buy things in shops in cash if I can.

    Please let us not discuss sensitive topics at a time when the United States has ceased to be a democracy, the French have elected a bunch of Fascists, the UK is about to leave civilisation itself and the wars in Ukraine and Gaza are still ongoing.

    Discussing cash as well is just too much.
    Labour are going to make it illegal to use cash to buy pineapple for topping pizzas, I hear.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Any polls expected today do we know or will they be holding until their final ‘eve of poll’?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,638
    edited July 2

    Newcastle’s Swan House roundabout has a huge electronic ad with a picture of Rishi looking sleepy with the text saying “don’t wake up to another 5 years of the tories”. Slay.

    Funnily enough, I saw that ad online, presumably this one, and thought it was a bit weird tbh. But maybe it's just me...

    image
    It's deeply weird. With a hint of domestic abuse, manipulation or similar. I suppose that's the point - to unsettle you.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603

    You withdrew £250 cash to make your bets?

    Why not use a debit card?

    One things we do not do is discuss the death of cash.

    Speaking professionally, withdrawing more than £100 flags up on most bank systems as a risk if it happens enough times.

    Heh. We used to get out £200 a week - on a Saturday - to act as housekeeping for the two of us. Any left over would get squirrelled away to be used for extraneous bills and the like, or put back into the bank.

    This stopped when we had a kid, and life didn't fit that routine. And the convenience of contactless helped the change.

    Here's the thing though; a while back I spent half a day looking into this, and comparing what we spent in 2012 with what we spend now. And even accounting for an extra mouth to feed and inflation, we spend much more. Contactless is, in a way, too easy to use if you have money in your account.

    There's nothing like having cash in your pocket to help you budget...
    Presumably if you are a lawyer or similar, the bank starting an investigation can cause trouble at work.

    There is also the issue of them sending you a letter saying that your account will be closed in 3 months, without explanation, if they get suspicious.
    With my job I get credit checked every three months.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Foxy said:

    FPT.

    On the subject of student loans adding 9% to tax, I looked up my first year of paying PAYE in 1988. 25% basic rate and personal allowance of £2605, so probably paying a higher percentage of income tax than a fresh graduate now with a student loan.

    1985 33% salary of under £5k for my first full time job. Allowance about £2k and 33% income tax on the rest.
    What country was that in?

    The UK basic rate was 29% in 1985.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    FPT.

    On the subject of student loans adding 9% to tax, I looked up my first year of paying PAYE in 1988. 25% basic rate and personal allowance of £2605, so probably paying a higher percentage of income tax than a fresh graduate now with a student loan.

    Factor in inflation and graduates today are paying much more.

    Housing is by far the biggest cost in people's bills and young people don't own houses, so lets use that as an index.

    1988 the average UK house price was £35,946
    2024 the average UK house price is £282,000

    If personal allowance had scaled with our index then personal allowance today would be £20,436 - it is not.
    Though are you also facing in that interest rates were much higher in those years? My mortgage rate hit 15% in 1992 for example.

    But I was talking income tax rather than expenses, and am sure that I was paying more PAYE as a percentage of income than a twentysomething with a student loan is now.

    You were. But a more useful factor to consider would be rent rather than house prices or interest rates. Most young employees were and are facing rent not mortgages.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    kjh said:

    Agghhh I have done it again, posted on the last thread. @Leon I asked you a question about the ferry that I would like your feedback on. Cheers.

    Ask away
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031

    Mr. B, Mercedes look a step behind Verstappen and a step ahead of Perez. Pushing the Mexican further down the order helps the bet, I think.

    Sadly my 29 earlier in the season on Norris seems doomed to fail. Unless we have a crazy time from here on out.

    Mercedes have more headroom to improve.
    If they start taking more wins, that doesn't help McLaren.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    This, apparently, is Joe Biden on a “good day”


    “NEW: President Biden reads “end of quote” while rocking his fresh new Trump-inspired orange spray tan.

    “Justice Sotomayor's dissent today. She hears what she said. She said, in every use of official power, the president is now a king above the law with fear for our democracy. I dissent.”

    “End of quote.”

    Sharp as a tack.”

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1807937556207788311?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,031

    You withdrew £250 cash to make your bets?

    Why not use a debit card?

    One things we do not do is discuss the death of cash.

    Speaking professionally, withdrawing more than £100 flags up on most bank systems as a risk if it happens enough times.

    Maybe he wants to get a mortgage soon. Debits to gdmbling sites apparently set off all sorts of klaxons on mortgage applications.
    Yes and no.

    It can be offset if the bank sees money coming in regularly from the bookies.

    Pro tip.

    Have a separate bank account solely for gambling.

    Make sure it isn’t part of the same banking group as your main account such as Lloyds and Bank of Scotland etc.

    Your main bank account where you apply for credit will never know about it.
    PayPal ..
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    I usually take a good wodge of cash abroad, mainly USD. It was near-useless in Norway but it still comes in very handy in parts of Asia. I enjoy being able to exchange in little booths at good rates without any questions or need to show ID. And it’s great what you can achieve by flashing a greenback.

    All part of my anarchistic streak I guess.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    FPT.

    On the subject of student loans adding 9% to tax, I looked up my first year of paying PAYE in 1988. 25% basic rate and personal allowance of £2605, so probably paying a higher percentage of income tax than a fresh graduate now with a student loan.

    1985 33% salary of under £5k for my first full time job. Allowance about £2k and 33% income tax on the rest.
    What country was that in?

    The UK basic rate was 29% in 1985.
    Plus 9% NI
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603

    Mr. Eagles, probably every couple of weeks.

    I almost always buy things in shops in cash if I can.

    Get yourself a reward credit card.

    You get the section 75 protection if anything goes wrong over £100 and you get a decent cash reward/points to use at the end of the year.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,775
    Mr. B, I agree Mercedes have headroom to improve, and the same is true of McLaren. If you end up with Red Bull third fastest (which might already be the case) or even fourth, it's likely to the advantage of McLaren. Norris is driving very well, and his car seems pretty much the fastest right now.

    If Mercedes do become dominant then that would make things rough for McLaren. However, it's worth remembering Piastri should've been way higher up the grid (tiny track limit violation) and Norris was a long way ahead of Russell. And Hamilton was even further back.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603

    You bet online and they can tie you to your online account and they can see every previous bet you've placed and use that knowledge against you.

    How does one bet in store with Betfair?
    You may prefer Betfair to the traditional bookies now, but if they were to become a monopoly you would come to regret it.
    They are a monopoly when it comes to exchanges with liquidity.
    Apart from increasing the cut they take, though, they don't punish successful gamblers. It's not their model because you're taking money from other punters, not them.

    I could see several of us only really being able to bet on Betfair.
    Yup, pretty much every major traditional bookie has either closed my account or restricted me to pennies, Ladbrokes are an honourable exception.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Slightly on topic, I’d like to thank those of you who advised me about ApplePay on my iWatch.

    I did indeed install it but with the proviso of the simple double-click side button, which you can disable. It has been absolutely fantastic. I LOVE it. No more fiddling around with cards jammed inside my purse etc. and no need to take out my phone either.

    So easy-peasy. Particularly enjoyable on London underground tap in and out.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Heathener said:

    I usually take a good wodge of cash abroad, mainly USD. It was near-useless in Norway but it still comes in very handy in parts of Asia. I enjoy being able to exchange in little booths at good rates without any questions or need to show ID. And it’s great what you can achieve by flashing a greenback.

    All part of my anarchistic streak I guess.

    I believe the Paignton to Teignmouth bus (£2, top deck) is known for its anarchists. Whereas the crazy golf in Dawlish is where the FARC guerrillas hang out
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651

    Eabhal said:

    Heathener said:

    Tres said:

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    I believe the polls in this election have not been correct. We will find out on Friday.

    The unusual choices the voters are making must be making life hard for them.

    Would account for the lack of herding.

    We will know either way when Sunderland South comes in
    Sunderland South is hardly representative of all the other seats.

    I'd say we won't really know until we start seeing a few LD target seats too: Harrogate & Knaresborough at c. 01:45, maybe not until Cheltenham and Eastleigh around 03:00.
    Do people not think the exit poll will give at least a rough idea of which category the result is in?
    Well quite. MrEd/MisterBedfordshire is weirdo Trumpian trollcaster who knows very little about psephology. Hence his now legendary ‘tip’ for Trump to carry VA in Potus 2020, which Trump lost by 11 points.
    I'm not Mr Ed. I stopped posting in 2016 until recently

    I also don't go round insulting other posters.

    Insulting other posters including me because you disagree with their posts says more about you than you intended to reveal.
    Happy to take you word for it but your posts are uncannily similar to his and then there's the MrEd/MisterBedfordshire name similarity.

    Still remember enjoying a good few beers with Mr Ed at the last PB gathering, shame he got himself banned.
    IIUC, @MrEd is not the same as @MrBedfordshire . @MrBedfordshire claims to be the same person as @Paul_Bedfordshire , who stopped posting in 2016. I assume the mods can confirm/deny
    @misterbedfordshire.

    @mrbedfordshire didn't work and has zilch posts because google (gmail) blocked @rcs1000 email message in response to registration to verify the email address because it came from Vanilla not @rcs1000 so googles spoofing klaxons went off (@paul.... had similar problems after the interregnum since 2016)

    So @misterbedfordshire came into existence via a non gmail email which didn't block the please verify email address message.

    If you are registered here with a gmail address and you need vanilla to send a message to it for any reason (like you forgot your password) you is stuffed.


    Ain't life grand.
    also Mr Ed would never willingly get on a bus. I'm buying it.
    The view that "Buses are for poor people" boils my pee
    A lovely surprise this morning to find myself in agreement with you on something.

    I take buses loads. They’re a great way to see the world, both outside and inside the windows.
    Top deck on a rural double decker bus is fantastic. Especially at this time of year
    Buses are the simplest and cheapest way to take some heat out of the housing market. Make city centres more accessible from the towns, villages and suburbs so you don't have to scrap it out for a walking-distance flat.
    The big game changer, especially for rural and lesser used suburban routes where buses run less frequently, sometimes only every 2-3 hours, is the satellite tracker.

    Now you can sit at home or wherever and track the bus on a map in comfort, going to the stop when it is a few minutes away.

    The days of waiting ages in the wind and rain for buses that don't turn up are OVER. But sadly too few people know about this.

    If you have not got this website saved on your phone, do it and get it.

    https://bustimes.org/
    Interesting. If I hadn't wasted my daily pic on that 'Sunak sleeping' ad I'd do a screen shot of North Dorset on the map. Not a single bus to be seen.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Agghhh I have done it again, posted on the last thread. @Leon I asked you a question about the ferry that I would like your feedback on. Cheers.

    Ask away
    In a car I use the tunnel, but on a bike I use ferries. Cyclists get treated like Gods by the ferries. Front of the queue (and don't have to queue), car escort out.

    Are you on foot? Would be good to know how that works?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,775
    Mr. Eagles, ha, I rarely spend over £100 at once. I'm swimming in a sea of virtuous poverty.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Leon said:

    This, apparently, is Joe Biden on a “good day”


    “NEW: President Biden reads “end of quote” while rocking his fresh new Trump-inspired orange spray tan.

    “Justice Sotomayor's dissent today. She hears what she said. She said, in every use of official power, the president is now a king above the law with fear for our democracy. I dissent.”

    “End of quote.”

    Sharp as a tack.”

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1807937556207788311?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    We need to be careful about this sort of thing. He is seriously senile and needs to go now BUT ALSO it's easy to misrepresent this sort of thing. Spoken word transcripts are always incoherent compared to written prose. Additionally that one is wrong. She, here's what she said. Not She hears what she said.

    Similar thing with meetings. If you look at the entire footage of say a G7 drinks, it's always possible to find your target looking lost and friendless because people are always at some stage in transit between conversations
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603

    Mr. Eagles, ha, I rarely spend over £100 at once. I'm swimming in a sea of virtuous poverty.

    But you'd still get the rewards/cashback on your transactions.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Leon said:

    Heathener said:

    I usually take a good wodge of cash abroad, mainly USD. It was near-useless in Norway but it still comes in very handy in parts of Asia. I enjoy being able to exchange in little booths at good rates without any questions or need to show ID. And it’s great what you can achieve by flashing a greenback.

    All part of my anarchistic streak I guess.

    I believe the Paignton to Teignmouth bus (£2, top deck) is known for its anarchists. Whereas the crazy golf in Dawlish is where the FARC guerrillas hang out
    Oh god. Don’t get me started on Dawlish.

    Whenever the train is out I would have to take the Exeter to Teignmouth bus through Dawlish. The number of fights I’ve seen break out on board had to be seen to be believed. Even my socialism has its limits.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Heathener said:

    Um that's very interesting but it's like those whacky comedians who walk round Iraq with a fridge freezer or take an ironing board to the south pole, or like politicians trying to live on the minimum wage. You are online anyway. Nobody is going to hack your Betfair app.

    I’m not a full-time punter by any stretch but I do find this whole area to be yet another erosion of civil liberties.

    I mentioned the other day on here that my bank rang me up two or three years ago to ask if I had a gambling addiction. I’d placed a few bets on something and it’s not like I bet particularly frequently - every other month kind of thing.

    I did take delight in pointing out that I had won the bets, as I usually do, but it still peed me off.

    That’s my f-ing money not the bank’s.
    You're even more likely to be addicted if you keep winning, surely?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    .
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    FPT.

    On the subject of student loans adding 9% to tax, I looked up my first year of paying PAYE in 1988. 25% basic rate and personal allowance of £2605, so probably paying a higher percentage of income tax than a fresh graduate now with a student loan.

    Factor in inflation and graduates today are paying much more.

    Housing is by far the biggest cost in people's bills and young people don't own houses, so lets use that as an index.

    1988 the average UK house price was £35,946
    2024 the average UK house price is £282,000

    If personal allowance had scaled with our index then personal allowance today would be £20,436 - it is not.
    Though are you also facing in that interest rates were much higher in those years? My mortgage rate hit 15% in 1992 for example.

    But I was talking income tax rather than expenses, and am sure that I was paying more PAYE as a percentage of income than a twentysomething with a student loan is now.

    Interest rates aren't especially relevant to a young graduate paying rent and saving for a deposit to get a home. What your mortgage rate hit, many years later, is only relevant once you're a homeowner already.

    Considering personal allowance has nowhere near kept up with expenses, and rates are higher too on top of that, the only way you're saying that twentysomething's overall rate charged could be less is if you're saying that wages have gone up by considerably less than inflation.

    So on a higher marginal tax rate, with proportionately lower tax free allowance, on a lower salary.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,237

    You bet online and they can tie you to your online account and they can see every previous bet you've placed and use that knowledge against you.

    And you know every bet you have made against them

    Why should you have an informational advantage?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Heathener said:

    I usually take a good wodge of cash abroad, mainly USD. It was near-useless in Norway but it still comes in very handy in parts of Asia. I enjoy being able to exchange in little booths at good rates without any questions or need to show ID. And it’s great what you can achieve by flashing a greenback.

    All part of my anarchistic streak I guess.

    Nostalgic travel tips from the 1980s...I like it! :)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Agghhh I have done it again, posted on the last thread. @Leon I asked you a question about the ferry that I would like your feedback on. Cheers.

    Ask away
    In a car I use the tunnel, but on a bike I use ferries. Cyclists get treated like Gods by the ferries. Front of the queue (and don't have to queue), car escort out.

    Are you on foot? Would be good to know how that works?
    I can’t compare it to much coz I’ve only done this route by foot. But it seems to be a breeze. Eg I woke in my old town St Malo hotel room at 8.15am, I was on the ferry - showered and everything - by 8.50. Zero queues. Now I’m stretched out in my cabin

    It is quite pricey, apparently. And of course it takes ages to cross. But yes, chilled out
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    edited July 2
    Out of interest, where is the tipping point between "landslide" and "supermajority".

    I'm just trying to gauge the Tories aim in these final 48 hours. Would a Blair 97 landslide of 179 - not a supermajority - be considered a great result?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,575

    Mr. Eagles, ha, I rarely spend over £100 at once. I'm swimming in a sea of virtuous poverty.

    But you'd still get the rewards/cashback on your transactions.
    Are payments to bookies not seen as cash withdrawals by most credit card companies?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968

    You bet online and they can tie you to your online account and they can see every previous bet you've placed and use that knowledge against you.

    And you know every bet you have made against them

    Why should you have an informational advantage?
    Because they're the ones setting the prices.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603

    Out of interest, where is the tipping point between "landslide" and "supermajority".

    I'm just trying to gauge the Tories aim in these final 48 hours. Would a Blair 97 landslide of 179 - not a supermajority - be considered a great result?

    I've always considered a majority of 100 + a landslide.

    Supermajority is 200+
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,009
    edited July 2
    Good morning

    I haven't posted much recently, partly because I have been doing other things, but also as I do not bet the vagaries of opinion polls which as far as I can tell are hardly changing are not of much interest as the result is not in doubt with Starmer winning a substantial majority

    On the subject of other things, my wife and I took the Snowdon Mountain Railway to the summit for the first time in 50 years and within 500 feet of the summit, the weather changed distinctly for the worse with heavy rain, drizzle, terrible visibility, and near freezing temperatures

    On the one hour journey up to the summit the footpaths were very busy and many were properly dressed, but the number that were in tee shirts, shorts and trainers was astonishing and irresponsible for walking/hiking in the mountains

    However, the main point of my post was that we sat with 2 US teachers on vacation here in Wales and the conversation inevitably turned to the US election

    They are both Democrats but in absolute despair and not happy that Jill Biden has not taken Joe aside and out of the contest

    They are aware of the imminent election of a centre left Labour Party under Starmer here, but were like most of us very concerned about the move to the right in Europe and the thought of Trump saw them literally bury their heads in their hands

    These are dangerous times for most electorates and we parted in Llanberis commenting that nobody seems to have a clue what to do to resolve the issues, but agreed that despite the summit weather we really enjoyed our time together and we wished then well as they left to visit Caernarvon castle
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    edited July 2
    On topic, at least one of the majority high street bookmakers have terminals in where you can can access their online offering without an online account. You load up your money, find your market and place your bet. Not sure of limits or if they replicate 100% of their website offering.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Edit
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,775
    Mr. Eagles, I'll consider it. Not a fan of cards generally, if I have the choice.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,603
    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Eagles, ha, I rarely spend over £100 at once. I'm swimming in a sea of virtuous poverty.

    But you'd still get the rewards/cashback on your transactions.
    Are payments to bookies not seen as cash withdrawals by most credit card companies?
    They were but not any more because

    https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/news/article/gambling-on-credit-cards-to-be-banned-from-april-2020
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,237
    Heathener said:

    Um that's very interesting but it's like those whacky comedians who walk round Iraq with a fridge freezer or take an ironing board to the south pole, or like politicians trying to live on the minimum wage. You are online anyway. Nobody is going to hack your Betfair app.

    I’m not a full-time punter by any stretch but I do find this whole area to be yet another erosion of civil liberties.

    I mentioned the other day on here that my bank rang me up two or three years ago to ask if I had a gambling addiction. I’d placed a few bets on something and it’s not like I bet particularly frequently - every other month kind of thing.

    I did take delight in pointing out that I had won the bets, as I usually do, but it still peed me off.

    That’s my f-ing money not the bank’s.
    Banks have a duty of care to customers who demonstrate unexpected changes in spending patterns.

    For all they knew someone could have cloned your card and set up an account t in your name

    In either sce ario they would have been financially liable if they hadn’t called you to ask the question

  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782
    Ooh Rishi snookered on BBC1. 'When Tories won a big majority was that dangerous to democracy?'
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228

    Leon said:

    This, apparently, is Joe Biden on a “good day”


    “NEW: President Biden reads “end of quote” while rocking his fresh new Trump-inspired orange spray tan.

    “Justice Sotomayor's dissent today. She hears what she said. She said, in every use of official power, the president is now a king above the law with fear for our democracy. I dissent.”

    “End of quote.”

    Sharp as a tack.”

    https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1807937556207788311?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    We need to be careful about this sort of thing. He is seriously senile and needs to go now BUT ALSO it's easy to misrepresent this sort of thing. Spoken word transcripts are always incoherent compared to written prose. Additionally that one is wrong. She, here's what she said. Not She hears what she said.

    Similar thing with meetings. If you look at the entire footage of say a G7 drinks, it's always possible to find your target looking lost and friendless because people are always at some stage in transit between conversations
    You’re being generous to him but that’s kind

    Also he’s still mumbling and now he’s gone orange like Trump??

    Imagine an American from the 50s or 80s seeing this presidential election
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651

    Out of interest, where is the tipping point between "landslide" and "supermajority".

    I'm just trying to gauge the Tories aim in these final 48 hours. Would a Blair 97 landslide of 179 - not a supermajority - be considered a great result?

    I've always considered a majority of 100 + a landslide.

    Supermajority is 200+
    Any Labour majority will be a super majority in my book.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fpt on “people apparently not working”

    I basically work every waking hour - 365 days a year. Some of us don’t get holidays

    My problem is people don’t see the work so they think I’ve got it easy. Eg when I’m sipping my Kir Breton in sunny Camaret sur Mer, courtesy of the French taxpayer, and staring vaguely and happily at the dolphins in the bay - I’m working. In my head. I’m thinking about that next flint - or the next Gazette piece, or where I can have oysters

    It never stops - it’s relentless. And it’s people like me that keep the world turning when everyone else has got their feet up, watching Season 3 of Traitors

    I like to call us “the silent heroes”

    I'm going to clap for you 6 pm every Thursday.
    Thanks. I’m genuinely touched

    I’m heading out to southern France in a few days to do some wine tasting in Provence for the gazette. And as I work my way through the roses and the Bandols - day after day - in the gilded sunshine and the rustling vineyards, thanklessly getting on with my job so everyone else can have their “day off” - well, put it like this: knowing that someone actually appreciates it will make all the difference.

    I’m a bit like a Tommy in the trenches getting that one letter from home every week, reading and rereading it, knowing that someone remembers me. And reminding me why I’m fighting

    You guys are why I do this
    Godspeed.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,237
    Leon said:

    Fpt on “people apparently not working”

    I basically work every waking hour - 365 days a year. Some of us don’t get holidays

    My problem is people don’t see the work so they think I’ve got it easy. Eg when I’m sipping my Kir Breton in sunny Camaret sur Mer, courtesy of the French taxpayer, and staring vaguely and happily at the dolphins in the bay - I’m working. In my head. I’m thinking about that next flint - or the next Gazette piece, or where I can have oysters

    It never stops - it’s relentless. And it’s people like me that keep the world turning when everyone else has got their feet up, watching Season 3 of Traitors

    I like to call us “the silent heroes”

    What’s a “holiday”?

    I have had one morning off since November 2019. I wish things would calm down a little!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,237

    I see that the final Tory play we’ve been waiting for is “48 Hours to stop the Labour Supermajority”

    Complete with comedy video showing how awful that would be.

    Have we *ever* seen an election campaign this abject from a party going into an election with a majority as big as theirs? Or from any government?

    Please don’t kill us. Pleeeeease. It will really hurt. Is. Not you. Please, no. Don’t.

    Is that it? PB Tories please explain why the party deserves to be left alive.

    Because the alternative is reform
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    Out of interest, where is the tipping point between "landslide" and "supermajority".

    I'm just trying to gauge the Tories aim in these final 48 hours. Would a Blair 97 landslide of 179 - not a supermajority - be considered a great result?

    I recall some discussion in 2019 about whether Boris had won a landslide or not, whether perhaps a 100 majority was needed for example.

    Lacking an actual defined number which is needed to do something like overcoming a veto it is going to be a matter of judgement. I'd probably say any majority over 150.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809
    edited July 2

    Eabhal said:

    Heathener said:

    Tres said:

    viewcode said:

    Chris said:

    I believe the polls in this election have not been correct. We will find out on Friday.

    The unusual choices the voters are making must be making life hard for them.

    Would account for the lack of herding.

    We will know either way when Sunderland South comes in
    Sunderland South is hardly representative of all the other seats.

    I'd say we won't really know until we start seeing a few LD target seats too: Harrogate & Knaresborough at c. 01:45, maybe not until Cheltenham and Eastleigh around 03:00.
    Do people not think the exit poll will give at least a rough idea of which category the result is in?
    Well quite. MrEd/MisterBedfordshire is weirdo Trumpian trollcaster who knows very little about psephology. Hence his now legendary ‘tip’ for Trump to carry VA in Potus 2020, which Trump lost by 11 points.
    I'm not Mr Ed. I stopped posting in 2016 until recently

    I also don't go round insulting other posters.

    Insulting other posters including me because you disagree with their posts says more about you than you intended to reveal.
    Happy to take you word for it but your posts are uncannily similar to his and then there's the MrEd/MisterBedfordshire name similarity.

    Still remember enjoying a good few beers with Mr Ed at the last PB gathering, shame he got himself banned.
    IIUC, @MrEd is not the same as @MrBedfordshire . @MrBedfordshire claims to be the same person as @Paul_Bedfordshire , who stopped posting in 2016. I assume the mods can confirm/deny
    @misterbedfordshire.

    @mrbedfordshire didn't work and has zilch posts because google (gmail) blocked @rcs1000 email message in response to registration to verify the email address because it came from Vanilla not @rcs1000 so googles spoofing klaxons went off (@paul.... had similar problems after the interregnum since 2016)

    So @misterbedfordshire came into existence via a non gmail email which didn't block the please verify email address message.

    If you are registered here with a gmail address and you need vanilla to send a message to it for any reason (like you forgot your password) you is stuffed.


    Ain't life grand.
    also Mr Ed would never willingly get on a bus. I'm buying it.
    The view that "Buses are for poor people" boils my pee
    A lovely surprise this morning to find myself in agreement with you on something.

    I take buses loads. They’re a great way to see the world, both outside and inside the windows.
    Top deck on a rural double decker bus is fantastic. Especially at this time of year
    Buses are the simplest and cheapest way to take some heat out of the housing market. Make city centres more accessible from the towns, villages and suburbs so you don't have to scrap it out for a walking-distance flat.
    The big game changer, especially for rural and lesser used suburban routes where buses run less frequently, sometimes only every 2-3 hours, is the satellite tracker.

    Now you can sit at home or wherever and track the bus on a map in comfort, going to the stop when it is a few minutes away.

    The days of waiting ages in the wind and rain for buses that don't turn up are OVER. But sadly too few people know about this.

    If you have not got this website saved on your phone, do it and get it.

    https://bustimes.org/
    Interesting. If I hadn't wasted my daily pic on that 'Sunak sleeping' ad I'd do a screen shot of North Dorset on the map. Not a single bus to be seen.
    Also that assumes the data are good. Lothian Buses recently had a disastrous software update with the data on the screens at the bus stops totally misleading ... the problem was the stuff from another (private) company I believe.

    Edit: Hadf a look. At least one major company completely missing. And Lothian Buses themselves provide such a service so no great improvement. Nice thought though. It shouldn't be left to some amiable amateur.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited July 2
    @IanB2 nope.

    Last year, and all over the last decade. I’m travelling back through this autumn. Cash is still very powerful in parts of Asia and Africa.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    kjh said:

    Ooh Rishi snookered on BBC1. 'When Tories won a big majority was that dangerous to democracy?'

    It's a good question, though it's been a loooong time since they were going to get a majority as big as Labour will.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Agghhh I have done it again, posted on the last thread. @Leon I asked you a question about the ferry that I would like your feedback on. Cheers.

    Ask away
    In a car I use the tunnel, but on a bike I use ferries. Cyclists get treated like Gods by the ferries. Front of the queue (and don't have to queue), car escort out.

    Are you on foot? Would be good to know how that works?
    I can’t compare it to much coz I’ve only done this route by foot. But it seems to be a breeze. Eg I woke in my old town St Malo hotel room at 8.15am, I was on the ferry - showered and everything - by 8.50. Zero queues. Now I’m stretched out in my cabin

    It is quite pricey, apparently. And of course it takes ages to cross. But yes, chilled out
    I've done Portsmouth to St Malo a few times. It is long, but relaxing I agree. Can't remember the price, but certainly the short trips are cheap (Dover - Calais £25, bike foc). How about getting to and from ferry to the town either end?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Technically there is no such thing as a Supermajority in the UK.

    A landslide I would say is c. 120+ majority. Some would set the bar a bit lower.

    I suspect that this Tory / Daily Mail Supermajority message is cutting through and I’m not too unhappy about it. If it helps defeat @Leon ’s warped worldview then it’s a double win as far as I’m concerned.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,575
    Heathener said:

    @IanB2 nope.

    Last year, and all over the last decade. I’m travelling back through this autumn. Cash is still very powerful in parts of Asia and Africa.

    Yep still cash everywhere in large parts of the world - including those where having a friend or two named Benjamin can ease any spots of bother one might encounter along the way.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Viewcode is of course right. But in general the High Street is thin gruel. Just as the small town bookshop can't stock or deliver tomorrow the latest academic blockbuster on Elamite historiography but Amazon can and does, so the small town bookmaker can't deliver every bet you can do online.

    Has Viewcode tried to find his local friendly small town bank manager, recently? The one who plays golf with his dad and gives unsecured loans to people he knows well? And Wilson, his chief clerk?

    And has he tried running PB by letter?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228

    Leon said:

    Fpt on “people apparently not working”

    I basically work every waking hour - 365 days a year. Some of us don’t get holidays

    My problem is people don’t see the work so they think I’ve got it easy. Eg when I’m sipping my Kir Breton in sunny Camaret sur Mer, courtesy of the French taxpayer, and staring vaguely and happily at the dolphins in the bay - I’m working. In my head. I’m thinking about that next flint - or the next Gazette piece, or where I can have oysters

    It never stops - it’s relentless. And it’s people like me that keep the world turning when everyone else has got their feet up, watching Season 3 of Traitors

    I like to call us “the silent heroes”

    What’s a “holiday”?

    I have had one morning off since November 2019. I wish things would calm down a little!
    Same here, mate

    It actually *gets my goat* when I hear people wanking on and on about their “holibobs”

    Think about us poor grunts who never get a holiday - the galley slaves of modern Britain. Just because you can’t see us doesn’t mean we don’t exist - quietly keeping things going
  • agingjb2agingjb2 Posts: 114
    A supermajority is when the winning party can, in effect, supply the leader of the opposition.
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