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  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,644
    rcs1000 said:

    Shall I tell you what's weird:

    Some of the most highly regulated countries in the world (like Switzerland and Singapore) provide their citizens with incredibly high standards of living. While some of the least regulated (like, say, Albania) provide their citizens with a pretty shitty one.

    What I also find weird is this belief that Europe is far more regulated than the US. As someone who has started businesses in both places, I've found the US to have the higher regulatory burden: one can't even open a nail salon in the US without a raft of permits, while it is almost entirely hassle free in the - say - France.

    It's almost like "less regulation" is not the be all and end all for solving economic malaise.

    In part because regulation is relatively easy to vary, while tax burdens, welfare states and culture are harder, so you vary regulation at the margin to compensate for the social or economic losses that arise from the hard-to-move factors like people's inclination to work at a given marginal tax rate. In Singapore or NYC relative to the EU, you starve if you don't work, so regulation can be a bit more finicky. Plus, it's hard to move a nail bar or a bank out of the jurisdiction. Assembly plants absolutely do care about optimal regulatory obligations.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,758
    Heathener said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Notice Kemi's upset lefty David Tennant... A good omen for the Tories if she becomes LOTO after the election... :D

    Frankly neither of them have done themselves any favours. No need to take sides here, they both said stupid stuff.
    Totally agree. Both comments were toxic...
    I think things may be helped if we consider what Tennant actually said, as opposed to what Badenoch said he said.

    https://variety.com/2024/politics/global/david-tennant-kemi-badenoch-lgbt-1236048181/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,449
    edited June 25
    Andy_JS said:

    England going round in circles.

    No-one tries to take on their man, it's always the safe sideways pass. It just gives time for the defence to organise.
  • (for the avoidance of doubt, that was an attempt at humour)
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    England going round in circles.

    INo one tries to take on their man, it's always the safe sideways pass. It just gives time for the defence to organise.
    Someone should tell them to create the space and not give up the chase. Beat the man.Take him on. You never give up. It's one on one
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,953
    Andy_JS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @MattSingh_
    Because I'm feeling generous I've created a Google Sheet with the PA declaration times, tabulated and matched to ONS codes. (AI was involved for this, so please let me know if you spot any errors)

    https://x.com/MattSingh_/status/1805656746305683753

    Thanks, I might be able to use this in conjunction with my predictions spreadsheet.
    Those times presumably don't factor in recounts.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,750

    Everyone sitting comfortably. Not long to go now.

    Just 9 days 2 hours 17 mins until...

    Sorry I mean just 17 mins to kick off!

    2-1 to England :)
    What channel are you watching?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,567
    Stat just popped up on the screen: England have made over 500 passes with 71% possession!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,189
    Most Tories would want Corbyn to win and be a backbench rebel and problem for Starmer, they just didn't want him as PM
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    England going round in circles.

    No-one tries to take on their man, it's always the safe sideways pass. It just gives time for the defence to organise.
    You can sing that to American Pie

    When the players tried to take the field
    The marching band refused to yield
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,567
    IanB2 said:

    Everyone sitting comfortably. Not long to go now.

    Just 9 days 2 hours 17 mins until...

    Sorry I mean just 17 mins to kick off!

    2-1 to England :)
    What channel are you watching?
    Look at the time-stamp! It was a wild and hopelessly optimistic prediction :lol:
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901
    Well we can conclude Trent was not the issue. In fact we’ve missed his distribution and free kicks.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,567

    Has anyone alerted the Gambling Commission to what must be the very strong possibility Southgate's had "a flutter" that he'll be sacked in July?

    Gareth Sunak
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,293
    IanB2 said:

    Everyone sitting comfortably. Not long to go now.

    Just 9 days 2 hours 17 mins until...

    Sorry I mean just 17 mins to kick off!

    2-1 to England :)
    What channel are you watching?
    Tardis Sports.

    Oh, and that's the final.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,813
    Cookie said:

    Relax and let it go.

    Bill Cash says Hi
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,441
    edited June 25
    Chris said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    AlsoLei said:

    Chris said:

    There's an interesting question here for anyone who bets.

    When the story originally broke, some people here were saying quite confidently that betting based on "inside information" was not illegal, unlike insider share trading.

    Now it seems to be accepted that potentially it can be cheating, and therefore illegal. But does that mean that anyone who bets while taking account of information not in the public domain is cheating? And if not, where do you draw the line?

    For me, it's fine to use information that other people could find out even if they had to put in some amount of (legal) effort to get it. So betting based on a personal conversation with a coach or a trainer, or overheard on a pub or on a train - none of that sounds like a problem.

    On the other hand, betting on something you can potentially influence seems clearly wrong. So the Campaign Director, or the C-level person in charge of data are both going to have a huge input into the timing of the election, and so shouldn't have been betting on it.
    That is indeed what the current state of the law says.

    I think it's what a lot of people thought the law said, but in fact the law prohibits "cheating" and emphasises that deception and influence are only examples of cheating, and not exhaustive.
    Proving that to a criminal standard is tough, though.
    If you've got influence over the event you're betting on, it's a lot easier.

    As I said, defining what can practically be prosecuted with a likelihood of success isn't entirely clear.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,558
    OnboardG1 said:

    Cookie said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Leon said:

    Kane is having a terrible tournament

    He's certainly unable to score.
    He's got half England's goals hasn't he?
    Poor attempt at a biblical joke. I've spend most of the day reading about people jumping out of planes and getting shot for democracy and then coming back to find a bunch of chancers making a mockery of it so I'm a little fried. Plus the people who viewed my house yesterday moaned about it being cluttered and disorganised so I'm cheering myself up with booze.
    Apologies, I didn't get it - and to be honest still don't?
    And actually my point was only flippantly pointing out that they've all had a poor tournament.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,953

    Stat just popped up on the screen: England have made over 500 passes with 71% possession!

    Bit like Labour.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,586
    edited June 25

    Has anyone alerted the Gambling Commission to what must be the very strong possibility Southgate's had "a flutter" that he'll be sacked in July?

    Gareth Sunak
    No. This is more Gareth Starmer.

    Pass it around the back. Take no risks.

    Sunak is playing the long ball game (or was). Hoof it up the field and hope for the best.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,293

    Has anyone alerted the Gambling Commission to what must be the very strong possibility Southgate's had "a flutter" that he'll be sacked in July?

    Sacked in the mourning.
    You're getting sacked in the mourning....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,441
    I'd heard of the Group of Death.
    No one warned me about the Group of Tedium.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901
    edited June 25
    Sigh…. Just not getting the basics right.

    You can be slow or fast, but you must get to the line. Now is the time, let everyone see, you never give up. That's how it should be.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,693
    Brilliant take and cross by Mainoo. No one there. No one even close. This is awful.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    edited June 25
    Cookie said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Cookie said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Leon said:

    Kane is having a terrible tournament

    He's certainly unable to score.
    He's got half England's goals hasn't he?
    Poor attempt at a biblical joke. I've spend most of the day reading about people jumping out of planes and getting shot for democracy and then coming back to find a bunch of chancers making a mockery of it so I'm a little fried. Plus the people who viewed my house yesterday moaned about it being cluttered and disorganised so I'm cheering myself up with booze.
    Apologies, I didn't get it - and to be honest still don't?
    And actually my point was only flippantly pointing out that they've all had a poor tournament.
    Kane and abel. Don't worry too much, it was worthy of the England back half at best.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,636
    edited June 25
    OnboardG1 said:

    Carnyx said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Cookie said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Leon said:

    Kane is having a terrible tournament

    He's certainly unable to score.
    He's got half England's goals hasn't he?
    Poor attempt at a biblical joke. I've spend most of the day reading about people jumping out of planes and getting shot for democracy and then coming back to find a bunch of chancers making a mockery of it so I'm a little fried. Plus the people who viewed my house yesterday moaned about it being cluttered and disorganised so I'm cheering myself up with booze.
    What's the problem? Presumably you and your impedimenta don't get included in the house sale?
    Hell if I know. Apparently it made it impossible to assess the condition of the house which sounds like wank to me. The estate agent seems to want me to throw everything bar the carpets out into the garage and sleep in the bathtub or something. Not to mention that we decluttered heavily, had the whole house professionally cleaned, top-to-bottom and are moving because the house isn't large enough for our expansive hobbies (sewing and modelmaking). I think they're just moaning bastards but this whole process has ground me down blunt.
    Last sales effort was my late dad's house and although the EA wanted all the junk and packed up crates moved into dad's old workshop (irremediably tatty) and the house left furnished in a tidy state, that was only by way of fluffing for the property porn shoot and video which carefully omitted the workshop. Once that was over, emptying it completely before the punters came round was the thing to do. So I dunno either.

    If it's any consolation the buyers we had were a mixed bunch but we did get a buyer before too long ...

    PS Not that you could assess the condition of the house much better, unless ripping up the carpets. Though the successful buyer did first ask permission for a specialist roof survey, which would have been about 10% easier with a little less junk in the attic, i.e. not very much difference.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,629

    Stat just popped up on the screen: England have made over 500 passes with 71% possession!

    Bit like Labour.
    LAB might get 500 seats with 40% 'possession' 👿
  • Has anyone alerted the Gambling Commission to what must be the very strong possibility Southgate's had "a flutter" that he'll be sacked in July?

    Gareth Sunak
    No. This is more Gareth Starmer.

    Pass it around the back. Take no risks.

    Sunak is playing the long ball game (or was). Hoof it up the field and hope for the best.
    Starmer wins things. What has Gareth ever won?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,741
    I would like Slovenia to win so that England face Germany on Saturday.

    I mean this is Slovenia they've only been in four tournaments since the founding of the country.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,750

    Stat just popped up on the screen: England have made over 500 passes with 71% possession!

    If only we got points for starting in the forward half of the pitch and successfully steering the ball back to our own goalkeeper.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,135

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Shall I tell you what's weird:

    Some of the most highly regulated countries in the world (like Switzerland and Singapore) provide their citizens with incredibly high standards of living. While some of the least regulated (like, say, Albania) provide their citizens with a pretty shitty one.

    What I also find weird is this belief that Europe is far more regulated than the US. As someone who has started businesses in both places, I've found the US to have the higher regulatory burden: one can't even open a nail salon in the US without a raft of permits, while it is almost entirely hassle free in the - say - France.

    It's almost like "less regulation" is not the be all and end all for solving economic malaise.

    It's almost like the ability and integrity of the government matters more,

    Incidentally, how's this for disgusting:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnee9e22klno

    Man suffers from massive, repeated and obviously entirely deliberate attempted fraud from an energy company.

    This is OFGEM's response:

    The energy regulator Ofgem said it expected suppliers to "act compassionately", adding it had toughened up rules for companies to follow when dealing with people who were struggling to pay bills.

    Fuck them. Shoot them, indeed. Neither use nor ornament. Clearly hopelessly corrupt or so stupid they should not be given the right to have sex.

    No wonder British Gas thinks it is above the law.
    £500 compensation feels like a pittance for all the trouble and worry they've put him through, and it's hardly going to act as a deterrent to encourage them to ensure that their bills are accurate.

    It's pretty much the same as the Post Office isn't it? An obviously error-strewn billing system, and they'd be willing to prosecute people if they had the power to do so, but instead they'll set debt collection agencies onto them.
    With one important similarity:

    It is very difficult to believe that such errors as this are accidental, given the scale, number and persistence of them.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,139
    I reckon England will get one or two.

    Southgate could bring on Grealish as an impact sub if he hadn't left him at home.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,293
    England's Shite Quotient is far higher over three games than any other team in Euros 2024. Including those who have gone home.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,741
    If I were David Tennant I would make a fulsome apology to Kemi while if he wants to maintains his point about inclusivity.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,586

    Has anyone alerted the Gambling Commission to what must be the very strong possibility Southgate's had "a flutter" that he'll be sacked in July?

    Gareth Sunak
    No. This is more Gareth Starmer.

    Pass it around the back. Take no risks.

    Sunak is playing the long ball game (or was). Hoof it up the field and hope for the best.
    Starmer wins things. What has Gareth ever won?
    Both he and Starmer are playing not to lose.

    Starmer has the advantage that the opposition keep scoring own goals.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901
    TOPPING said:

    I would like Slovenia to win so that England face Germany on Saturday.

    I mean this is Slovenia they've only been in four tournaments since the founding of the country.

    At this point, in typically English style, I want the underdog to sneak it through smart play. And that is Slovenia.
  • Chris said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    AlsoLei said:

    Chris said:

    There's an interesting question here for anyone who bets.

    When the story originally broke, some people here were saying quite confidently that betting based on "inside information" was not illegal, unlike insider share trading.

    Now it seems to be accepted that potentially it can be cheating, and therefore illegal. But does that mean that anyone who bets while taking account of information not in the public domain is cheating? And if not, where do you draw the line?

    For me, it's fine to use information that other people could find out even if they had to put in some amount of (legal) effort to get it. So betting based on a personal conversation with a coach or a trainer, or overheard on a pub or on a train - none of that sounds like a problem.

    On the other hand, betting on something you can potentially influence seems clearly wrong. So the Campaign Director, or the C-level person in charge of data are both going to have a huge input into the timing of the election, and so shouldn't have been betting on it.
    That is indeed what the current state of the law says.

    I think it's what a lot of people thought the law said, but in fact the law prohibits "cheating" and emphasises that deception and influence are only examples of cheating, and not exhaustive.
    Not the case. The phrase "may, in particular" (used in section 42 of the Act) is a phrase interpreted in legislation to indicate that what follows is exhaustive rather than an example.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Carnyx said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Carnyx said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Cookie said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Leon said:

    Kane is having a terrible tournament

    He's certainly unable to score.
    He's got half England's goals hasn't he?
    Poor attempt at a biblical joke. I've spend most of the day reading about people jumping out of planes and getting shot for democracy and then coming back to find a bunch of chancers making a mockery of it so I'm a little fried. Plus the people who viewed my house yesterday moaned about it being cluttered and disorganised so I'm cheering myself up with booze.
    What's the problem? Presumably you and your impedimenta don't get included in the house sale?
    Hell if I know. Apparently it made it impossible to assess the condition of the house which sounds like wank to me. The estate agent seems to want me to throw everything bar the carpets out into the garage and sleep in the bathtub or something. Not to mention that we decluttered heavily, had the whole house professionally cleaned, top-to-bottom and are moving because the house isn't large enough for our expansive hobbies (sewing and modelmaking). I think they're just moaning bastards but this whole process has ground me down blunt.
    Last sales effort was my late dad's house and although the EA wanted all the junk and packed up crates moved into dad's old workshop (irremediably tatty) and the house left furnished in a tidy state, that was only by way of fluffing for the property porn shoot and video which carefully omitted the workshop. Once that was over, emptying it completely before the punters came round was the thing to do. So I dunno either.

    If it's any consolation the buyers we had were a mixed bunch but we did get a buyer before too long ...
    We sold my Grandma's house "as is" and got a bunch of offers. I think people looked at it and understood it was an estate sale. Just had to make it modestly tidy, which wasn't too hard.

    Our house has been on the market for six weeks and that was the first viewing so it's rather demoralizing, particularly since we're looking at a chain collapse as soon as tomorrow if it doesn't sell. The market for starter homes is jammed solid right now because of the rates being held.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,106
    Anyone watching Denmark/Serbia? No goals.
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 854
    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,238
    edited June 25
    .
    biggles said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    England going round in circles.

    INo one tries to take on their man, it's always the safe sideways pass. It just gives time for the defence to organise.
    Someone should tell them to create the space and not give up the chase. Beat the man.Take him on. You never give up. It's one on one
    If only Tony Wilson had managed to get away with calling it "E is for England" as originally planned...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKKnH1SoeB8
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,741
    biggles said:

    TOPPING said:

    I would like Slovenia to win so that England face Germany on Saturday.

    I mean this is Slovenia they've only been in four tournaments since the founding of the country.

    At this point, in typically English style, I want the underdog to sneak it through smart play. And that is Slovenia.
    You can't not like Gareth but, like with the saintly Arsene, at some point things have to change.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,449

    Has anyone alerted the Gambling Commission to what must be the very strong possibility Southgate's had "a flutter" that he'll be sacked in July?

    Gareth Sunak
    No. This is more Gareth Starmer.

    Pass it around the back. Take no risks.

    Sunak is playing the long ball game (or was). Hoof it up the field and hope for the best.
    Starmer wins things. What has Gareth ever won?
    He's not won anything yet.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,106
    Group of bore.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,758
    TOPPING said:

    If I were David Tennant I would make a fulsome apology to Kemi while if he wants to maintains his point about inclusivity.

    https://variety.com/2024/politics/global/david-tennant-kemi-badenoch-lgbt-1236048181/
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,139
    edited June 25
    ...

    England's Shite Quotient is far higher over three games than any other team in Euros 2024. Including those who have gone home.

    Top of the group with-checks notes- one goal advantage.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,750
    TOPPING said:

    I would like Slovenia to win so that England face Germany on Saturday.

    I mean this is Slovenia they've only been in four tournaments since the founding of the country.

    Who could forget Slovenija gre naprej?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7aL6ouyS24
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,629
    Shyte deluxe 😡
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901
    edited June 25
    TOPPING said:

    biggles said:

    TOPPING said:

    I would like Slovenia to win so that England face Germany on Saturday.

    I mean this is Slovenia they've only been in four tournaments since the founding of the country.

    At this point, in typically English style, I want the underdog to sneak it through smart play. And that is Slovenia.
    You can't not like Gareth but, like with the saintly Arsene, at some point things have to change.
    He was the man in 2010, and he did well for a few years, but with the players that the England manager can now pick from we should be attacking like Liverpool on steroids. Definite 4-3-3 with width.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,490
    OnboardG1 said:

    ...

    England's Shite Quotient is far higher over three games than any other team in Euros 2024. Including those who have gone home.

    Top of the group with-checks notes- one goal advantage.
    Group of dearth.
    as it stands, Germany have scored more goals than the whole of group C.... (This is where a goal finally goes in)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,567

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,449

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    And golf.

    And Formula 1

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,741
    Most shocking moment of the match, especially for PB?

    The commentator saying ""there have been less goals in this group..."
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,586
    Well, it looks like we will be playing for penalties in the knock out.

    What could possibly go wrong?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901
    TOPPING said:

    Most shocking moment of the match, especially for PB?

    The commentator saying ""there have been less goals in this group..."

    I’ll be honest, it did trigger me. I needed a warning.
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 854

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Foxy said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    And golf.

    And Formula 1

    I'd love to tell you that F1 is great, but I last watched it on the Beeb and I'm not willing to pay the greasy little shits at Sky £30 a month for the privilege of watching it.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or a tight Test finish.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,449
    A shot on goal at last.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,055
    Kane looks a lot better when he has other players prepared to run at goal around him.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    TOPPING said:

    Most shocking moment of the match, especially for PB?

    The commentator saying ""there have been less goals in this group..."

    A period of fewer pedantry from you would be welcome
  • Foxy said:

    Has anyone alerted the Gambling Commission to what must be the very strong possibility Southgate's had "a flutter" that he'll be sacked in July?

    Gareth Sunak
    No. This is more Gareth Starmer.

    Pass it around the back. Take no risks.

    Sunak is playing the long ball game (or was). Hoof it up the field and hope for the best.
    Starmer wins things. What has Gareth ever won?
    He's not won anything yet.
    Won several by-elections
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,942
    Patient, measured, disciplined. We proceed to the knockout stage with plenty in the tank.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,567
    Gareth Southgate, or Gareth Sunak?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,558

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or indeed any other form of cricket.

    I don't understand how people can find this exciting. Almost nothing is of any consequence. Cricket, anything might happen with every delivery. Wild swings from team x winning to team y winning. Or rugby: constant, unrelenting bloody effort.
    Football is just minute after minute of nothing of consequence or interest happening.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901
    Foxy said:

    A shot on goal at last.

    It’s almost worse for showing what they could do.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,693
    Oh that was poor.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,026
    OnboardG1 said:

    Foxy said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    And golf.

    And Formula 1

    I'd love to tell you that F1 is great, but I last watched it on the Beeb and I'm not willing to pay the greasy little shits at Sky £30 a month for the privilege of watching it.
    As I’ve pointed out before I pay £8 a month for F1 TV Plus - which is an amount I’m happy to pay.
    Plus if I want to watch one of the 20 in car cameras I can…
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Lee Dixon clutching at straws on the Beeb Live blog. Yes, conceivably England could improve in the knockout rounds. Rishi could also improve in the last week of the campaigning too...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,741
    Seems that Slovenia also expected to get a shellacking the way they are celebrating.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,441
    "Reset button" ?

    They need a new motherboard.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    eek said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    Foxy said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    And golf.

    And Formula 1

    I'd love to tell you that F1 is great, but I last watched it on the Beeb and I'm not willing to pay the greasy little shits at Sky £30 a month for the privilege of watching it.
    As I’ve pointed out before I pay £8 a month for F1 TV Plus - which is an amount I’m happy to pay.
    Plus if I want to watch one of the 20 in car cameras I can…
    I'm sure you mentioned it last time, but did you say you used a VPN to the Netherlands for it?
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405

    Chris said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    AlsoLei said:

    Chris said:

    There's an interesting question here for anyone who bets.

    When the story originally broke, some people here were saying quite confidently that betting based on "inside information" was not illegal, unlike insider share trading.

    Now it seems to be accepted that potentially it can be cheating, and therefore illegal. But does that mean that anyone who bets while taking account of information not in the public domain is cheating? And if not, where do you draw the line?

    For me, it's fine to use information that other people could find out even if they had to put in some amount of (legal) effort to get it. So betting based on a personal conversation with a coach or a trainer, or overheard on a pub or on a train - none of that sounds like a problem.

    On the other hand, betting on something you can potentially influence seems clearly wrong. So the Campaign Director, or the C-level person in charge of data are both going to have a huge input into the timing of the election, and so shouldn't have been betting on it.
    That is indeed what the current state of the law says.

    I think it's what a lot of people thought the law said, but in fact the law prohibits "cheating" and emphasises that deception and influence are only examples of cheating, and not exhaustive.
    Not the case. The phrase "may, in particular" (used in section 42 of the Act) is a phrase interpreted in legislation to indicate that what follows is exhaustive rather than an example.
    That is gibberish. May does not mean must. The section you quote begins "(3)Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (1) ..."
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,567
    Cookie said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or indeed any other form of cricket.
    Even the ones that last FIVE fucking days??
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901
    edited June 25
    Cookie said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or indeed any other form of cricket.

    I don't understand how people can find this exciting. Almost nothing is of any consequence. Cricket, anything might happen with every delivery. Wild swings from team x winning to team y winning. Or rugby: constant, unrelenting bloody effort.
    Football is just minute after minute of nothing of consequence or interest happening.
    I agree on cricket (the finest of sports for me, especially the five day game that ebbs and flows) but I would put football and rugby like this: an average football game is more entertaining than rugby; but the best of rugby when it’s free flowing is amazing and beats it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,741
    edited June 25
    Cookie said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or indeed any other form of cricket.

    I don't understand how people can find this exciting. Almost nothing is of any consequence. Cricket, anything might happen with every delivery. Wild swings from team x winning to team y winning. Or rugby: constant, unrelenting bloody effort.
    Football is just minute after minute of nothing of consequence or interest happening.
    No sorry 95% of cricket is boring as fuck. The last 20 minutes in a tight game can be exciting. Overall football is far more exciting and far more skillful.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,168

    Has anyone alerted the Gambling Commission to what must be the very strong possibility Southgate's had "a flutter" that he'll be sacked in July?

    Gareth Sunak
    No. This is more Gareth Starmer.

    Pass it around the back. Take no risks.

    Sunak is playing the long ball game (or was). Hoof it up the field and hope for the best.
    Starmer wins things. What has Gareth ever won?
    Starmer has won nothing as yet.*

    *Clearly this will be out of date in 9/10/11 or who the fuck knows days time.
  • TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or indeed any other form of cricket.

    I don't understand how people can find this exciting. Almost nothing is of any consequence. Cricket, anything might happen with every delivery. Wild swings from team x winning to team y winning. Or rugby: constant, unrelenting bloody effort.
    Football is just minute after minute of nothing of consequence or interest happening.
    No sorry 95% of cricket is boring as fuck. The last 20 minutes in a tight game can be exciting. Overall football is far more exciting and far more skillful.
    You clearly didn't watch the Ashes last year.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,617
    God that was fucking painful to watch
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    biggles said:

    Cookie said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or indeed any other form of cricket.

    I don't understand how people can find this exciting. Almost nothing is of any consequence. Cricket, anything might happen with every delivery. Wild swings from team x winning to team y winning. Or rugby: constant, unrelenting bloody effort.
    Football is just minute after minute of nothing of consequence or interest happening.
    I agree on cricket (the finest of sports for me, especially the five day game that ebbs and flows) but I would put football and rugby like this: an average football game is more entertaining than rugby; but the best of rugby when it’s free flowing is amazing and beats it.
    I never got into Rugby. Being forced to play it on wet Scottish mornings when I'd rather be in bed reading had something to do with it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,441

    Going into the tournament the worry about England was our defence but we've only conceded one goal in three matches.

    Goals win you matches, defenders win you trophies which is why we've topped our group.

    But I am glad England aren't peaking too soon...

    They're aiming for 2030 ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,811
    Thrilling
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,565
    OnboardG1 said:

    Lee Dixon clutching at straws on the Beeb Live blog. Yes, conceivably England could improve in the knockout rounds. Rishi could also improve in the last week of the campaigning too...

    Not a great analogy - England might improve. Sunak? No chance.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,449
    OnboardG1 said:

    biggles said:

    Cookie said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or indeed any other form of cricket.

    I don't understand how people can find this exciting. Almost nothing is of any consequence. Cricket, anything might happen with every delivery. Wild swings from team x winning to team y winning. Or rugby: constant, unrelenting bloody effort.
    Football is just minute after minute of nothing of consequence or interest happening.
    I agree on cricket (the finest of sports for me, especially the five day game that ebbs and flows) but I would put football and rugby like this: an average football game is more entertaining than rugby; but the best of rugby when it’s free flowing is amazing and beats it.
    I never got into Rugby. Being forced to play it on wet Scottish mornings when I'd rather be in bed reading had something to do with it.
    I have never played it so equally uninterested.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,741
    edited June 25

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or indeed any other form of cricket.

    I don't understand how people can find this exciting. Almost nothing is of any consequence. Cricket, anything might happen with every delivery. Wild swings from team x winning to team y winning. Or rugby: constant, unrelenting bloody effort.
    Football is just minute after minute of nothing of consequence or interest happening.
    No sorry 95% of cricket is boring as fuck. The last 20 minutes in a tight game can be exciting. Overall football is far more exciting and far more skillful.
    You clearly didn't watch the Ashes last year.
    I'm sure the last few minutes were very exciting. But generally it is super boring. Played slowly with a few runs per over and usually not even that. A game where a maiden over is celebrated does not an exciting spectacle make.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,273
    Nigelb said:

    Going into the tournament the worry about England was our defence but we've only conceded one goal in three matches.

    Goals win you matches, defenders win you trophies which is why we've topped our group.

    But I am glad England aren't peaking too soon...

    They're aiming for 2030 ?
    Optimist.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901
    OnboardG1 said:

    biggles said:

    Cookie said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or indeed any other form of cricket.

    I don't understand how people can find this exciting. Almost nothing is of any consequence. Cricket, anything might happen with every delivery. Wild swings from team x winning to team y winning. Or rugby: constant, unrelenting bloody effort.
    Football is just minute after minute of nothing of consequence or interest happening.
    I agree on cricket (the finest of sports for me, especially the five day game that ebbs and flows) but I would put football and rugby like this: an average football game is more entertaining than rugby; but the best of rugby when it’s free flowing is amazing and beats it.
    I never got into Rugby. Being forced to play it on wet Scottish mornings when I'd rather be in bed reading had something to do with it.
    Brrrrr I remember rugby at school. In sideways hail. Brrrr
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,192
    No matter how underwhelming England have been there are many previous tournaments where teams that won were poor in the group stage , got through and then played much better .
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,901
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You've obviously never watched a T20 then.
    Or indeed any other form of cricket.

    I don't understand how people can find this exciting. Almost nothing is of any consequence. Cricket, anything might happen with every delivery. Wild swings from team x winning to team y winning. Or rugby: constant, unrelenting bloody effort.
    Football is just minute after minute of nothing of consequence or interest happening.
    No sorry 95% of cricket is boring as fuck. The last 20 minutes in a tight game can be exciting. Overall football is far more exciting and far more skillful.
    You clearly didn't watch the Ashes last year.
    I'm sure the last few minutes were very exciting. But generally it is super boring. Played slowly with a few runs per over and usually not even that. A game where a maiden over is celebrated does not an exciting spectacle make.
    You are not describing good Test Cricket there.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,565
    England could face the Netherlands in the next round #Easysideofthedraw
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,273
    From another forum.

    I wonder what social media is like in France, who finished with exactly the same record, or Italy a point less.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,750
    edited June 25
    nico679 said:

    No matter how underwhelming England have been there are many previous tournaments where teams that won were poor in the group stage , got through and then played much better .

    England played like Italy, minus the single flash of brilliance at the end.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    The problem is there's just SO MANY games of football that on average most of them are forgettable meh. When it's good it's great but statistically you're probably going to be watching a bland one.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,106

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    You must be joking, cricket is the most exciting game of all.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,168
    nico679 said:

    No matter how underwhelming England have been there are many previous tournaments where teams that won were poor in the group stage , got through and then played much better .

    Englands group ended up being very tight, and Slovenia (unbeaten in a long time) desperately wanted a draw. They got it. We were through already.
    Groups ARE different to knock out stages. We have not impressed yet, but there is potential. Would lay england every tournament though, and only in 66/would you have been wrong…
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,567
    TOPPING said:

    Seems that Slovenia also expected to get a shellacking the way they are celebrating.

    Shellacking or Sunacking?

    :lol:
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,789
    OnboardG1 said:

    Foxy said:

    Of all the major sports, football is the most tedious.

    Except for cricket.
    And golf.

    And Formula 1

    I'd love to tell you that F1 is great, but I last watched it on the Beeb and I'm not willing to pay the greasy little shits at Sky £30 a month for the privilege of watching it.
    Those 6 wheel Tyrrells were great..
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,168
    Farooq said:

    Congratulations England on equalling Scotland in goals scored!

    When is Scotlands round of sixteen game?
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