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When political betting can get you into trouble – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,158
edited June 20 in General
When political betting can get you into trouble – politicalbetting.com

The Gambling Commission is understood to have launched probe after Craig Williams, PM's parliamentary private secretary, placed bet with Ladbrokes on Sunday 19 May. Sunak made surprise announcement that a general election would be held on 4 July just three days later.

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  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Winning Here!
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    What we need now is a leak from Sky accounts showing a Dr Sunak of Soton paying the premium sub covering the extra telly in your son's bedroom throughout the 90s
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 3,647
    edited June 12
    I am jacked, jacked to the tits!

    Prize to anyone that gets the reference...
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173
    Interesting polling from YouGov:

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/2024/06/12/69919/2

    If you had a child of school age and could afford it, would you send them to private school?

    Obviously, the "and could afford it" bit is a bit contentious but nevertheless, the political split is as you would expect (Conservative voters more likely to say they would). However, the region split is curious with Londoners a lot more likely to say they would than everywhere else. Given how strong Labour are in London, there must be quite a big difference in responses from Labour supporters there compared with elsewhere:

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Is he thick? I mean, he's thick, but IS HE THICK??
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,977

    What we need now is a leak from Sky accounts showing a Dr Sunak of Soton paying the premium sub covering the extra telly in your son's bedroom throughout the 90s

    @soph_husk
    Rishi Sunak mocked with brutal fundraiser to help him pay for Sky TV - via
    @DaveBurke12


    The fundraiser says: "Rishi is now facing more hardship. He is down to just one helicopter and he could soon be out of a job. Forced to live on just a PM's pension and quite a few tens of millions in the bank, Rishi could once again be deprived of Sky TV. So I am asking you for help."

    (The cash raised will go to food bank charity the Trussell Trust)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173

    I am jacked, jacked to the tits!


    Prize to anyone that gets the reference...

    You're Ryan Gosling and I claim my five credit default swaps.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    The LOESS regression wiki chart has updated. Makes for quite a dramatic sight. Here’s my one pic for the day (moved from the previous thread where it has been deleted in case Mods question this):


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Much as I like a bet, do people in these positions even need the money from such a winning bet?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    tlg86 said:

    Interesting polling from YouGov:

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/2024/06/12/69919/2

    If you had a child of school age and could afford it, would you send them to private school?

    Obviously, the "and could afford it" bit is a bit contentious but nevertheless, the political split is as you would expect (Conservative voters more likely to say they would). However, the region split is curious with Londoners a lot more likely to say they would than everywhere else. Given how strong Labour are in London, there must be quite a big difference in responses from Labour supporters there compared with elsewhere:

    Interesting to see that 40% of Con voters also probably/definitely would not even if they could afford it.
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    At 5/1, too. North of 20 I could understand it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Green Party Manifesto 2024 Part 2
    Providing fairer, greener homes for all
    • 1m on council waiting lists. 8.3x annual earnings to buy a home.
    • 150k social homes a year and end right to buy
    • Rent controls. End no fault evictions
    • Transform planning so new developments come with access to services and green spaces (note: rules exist now, not always well done – how will this be different?)
    • Right homes, right place, right price charter – simultaneously protect green space, reduce climate emissions, tackle fuel poverty, and genuinely affordable homes (note – it’s a miracle!)
    • 29bn over 5 years to insulate homes. 17bn of which is for private homes. 9bn for heating systems. 7bn to adapt for over heating. 4bn for insulation of public buildings.
    • Financing will come from ‘common sense changes in each housing sector’ (note – this may be the most worthless comment I’ve ever seen)
    • Nothing on making building easier unless its social housing. The bit on planning policy seems like it has no idea how planning is already taking place.
    Powering up fairer, greener energy
    • 70% wind power by 2030
    • No new oil and gas licences
    • Communities to own their energy forces, using profit to reduce bills (note – er, what?)
    • Phase out fossil fuels
    • Nuclear power is bad because it diverts investment away from renewables (note – would people automatically invest in wind and solar if they could not support nuclear?). Also nuclear weapons are bad.
    • Need to learn lessons of 1980s – just transition led by workers and unions to reap rewards of shift to green energy (note – what if workers and unions don’t support your ideas?)
    • 4bn a year in training for transition
    • Mandate use of solar panels on new homes (note – not a bad idea)
    • End de facto ban on onshore wind
    • Crown Estate into public ownership
    • End ‘greenwashing’ (note – not shore what this suggests in terms of action)
    • Supports expansion of grid capacity (note – local people object to this, what then?)
    Creating a farier, greener, economy
    • Another reference to us being one of the richest countries in the world yet people are struggling (note – people may agreed with the latter, but no matter the stats the former may not be believed by many too)
    • 40bn a year on green economic transformation (note – bold to specify the amount)
    • Carbon tax
    • Nationalize utilities
    • Tax multi millionaires and billionaires public services (note – they take us for mugs, it is true, but the well can only be tapped so far)
    • Any company with a uk bank licence must divest from fossil fuel assets by 2030, as well as non bank financial institutions.
    • 30bn for research (note – everyone is promising more for research, might that drive up the cost?)
    • “growing consensus” that economic growth is undermining our wellbeing (note – you what? Who has this consensus? You admit it is not the other political parties, who are more popular than you)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 12
    kle4 said:

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Much as I like a bet, do people in these positions even need the money from such a winning bet?
    I highly doubt they did it for the money. If it was, you don't stick £100 on it even at 5/1. Its like risking your job / criminal investigation by fiddling the VAT on a single job.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    This Tory campaign just keeps giving.
    Comedy gold.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046

    kle4 said:

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Much as I like a bet, do people in these positions even need the money from such a winning bet?
    I highly doubt they did it for the money. If it was, you don't stick £100 on it even at 5/1.
    But since they knew they were right there wasn't even any thrill either!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,983
    FPT:

    Just looked at the voting results of my local commune in France at the Euros. I have some interesting neighbours.

    The French party names are hilarious. Not only do they change constantly, but they give themselves special ones for Euro elections.

    Fortunately RN (aka "La France Revient!") didn't come first, that was Macron's lot ("Besoin d'Europe") with 23% (16 votes), then the socialists on 22% (15), but Marine was third (8) then the Liste Asselineau-Frexit (6), and after the Greens and Melenchon's Corbynistas, even Zemmour ("La France Fiere") got 4 votes.

    So there are at least 18 people in our little collection of hamlets who opted for populist right or far right parties. And 6 who want France to leave the EU!

    One sole voter opted for the totally normal sounding "Pour un monde sans frontieres ni patrons, urgence revolution!" party. I'd love to know who that was.

    Here's the interactive map so you can explore. The sea of brown over France is where the RN won.

    https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2024/06/09/la-carte-des-resultats-des-elections-europeennes-2024-par-commune-en-france_6238291_4355771.html
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Presumably he did at least twig that if he walked in to slap 5,000 smackeroonies on, it might arouse some suspicion?
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580
    It says he placed it in May and it was 5/1

    It can’t have been ‘July’ as that was higher IIRC.

    It must have been ‘July to September’ ?

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,037
    edited June 12
    It’s a question of morality and character. If a person does that, others might question what else they might do with other information not commonly known to the public.

    (Drafted that sentence carefully).
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173
    edited June 12
    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting polling from YouGov:

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/survey-results/daily/2024/06/12/69919/2

    If you had a child of school age and could afford it, would you send them to private school?

    Obviously, the "and could afford it" bit is a bit contentious but nevertheless, the political split is as you would expect (Conservative voters more likely to say they would). However, the region split is curious with Londoners a lot more likely to say they would than everywhere else. Given how strong Labour are in London, there must be quite a big difference in responses from Labour supporters there compared with elsewhere:

    Interesting to see that 40% of Con voters also probably/definitely would not even if they could afford it.
    I'm not sure how I'd answer that question, to be honest. I can see why people wouldn't even if they could afford it.

    On London, 10% of kids in the capital are educated privately (v 6% nationally), which might go some way to explaining the difference in the figures.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,207

    Is he thick? I mean, he's thick, but IS HE THICK??

    Depends. The calculation is "is the possible hit to my reputation and career worth the chance of scamming a few hundred quid?"

    As PPS to the Prime Minister and candidate for a seat with a 30% majority, it's possible that a few hundred quid is more than his reputation and career are worth.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 12
    IanB2 said:

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Presumably he did at least twig that if he walked in to slap 5,000 smackeroonies on, it might arouse some suspicion?
    They placed it online, the automated system will flag it regardless of size.
  • July was 10/1 or even 20/1 at one point from memory.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    TimS said:

    FPT:

    Just looked at the voting results of my local commune in France at the Euros. I have some interesting neighbours.

    The French party names are hilarious. Not only do they change constantly, but they give themselves special ones for Euro elections.

    Fortunately RN (aka "La France Revient!") didn't come first, that was Macron's lot ("Besoin d'Europe") with 23% (16 votes), then the socialists on 22% (15), but Marine was third (8) then the Liste Asselineau-Frexit (6), and after the Greens and Melenchon's Corbynistas, even Zemmour ("La France Fiere") got 4 votes.

    So there are at least 18 people in our little collection of hamlets who opted for populist right or far right parties. And 6 who want France to leave the EU!

    One sole voter opted for the totally normal sounding "Pour un monde sans frontieres ni patrons, urgence revolution!" party. I'd love to know who that was.

    Here's the interactive map so you can explore. The sea of brown over France is where the RN won.

    https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2024/06/09/la-carte-des-resultats-des-elections-europeennes-2024-par-commune-en-france_6238291_4355771.html

    "France is coming home, it's coming home, it's coming!"
  • I've just realised that as I don't have a TV Licence, I don't think I can legally really get involved in any election discussions. I can't watch any debates, even if the broadcasters stream them live on YouTube. I can't watch any election night programmes, even if the broadcasters stream them live on YouTube. So, unless you fund the BBC, the election is difficult to follow.
    Obviously, there's a thing called the internet, but the TV Licence is a bar to easy political news access.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 12

    July was 10/1 or even 20/1 at one point from memory.

    What happened to the price when we had that day when Danny Fink was saying well I heard a rumour it was on like Fat Pat's thong for July?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601

    July was 10/1 or even 20/1 at one point from memory.

    Read the thread header.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173

    I've just realised that as I don't have a TV Licence, I don't think I can legally really get involved in any election discussions. I can't watch any debates, even if the broadcasters stream them live on YouTube. I can't watch any election night programmes, even if the broadcasters stream them live on YouTube. So, unless you fund the BBC, the election is difficult to follow.
    Obviously, there's a thing called the internet, but the TV Licence is a bar to easy political news access.

    The radio - including BBC stations - is still free.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    IanB2 said:

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Presumably he did at least twig that if he walked in to slap 5,000 smackeroonies on, it might arouse some suspicion?
    They placed it online, the automated system will flag it regardless of size.
    For sure, but maybe he didn’t know that, and thought that £100 would sneak under the radar?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    The bigger question is whether a certain R Sunak is indulging in some "match fixing" and trying to lose the election. He's in with various hedge funds.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    kle4 said:

    Green Party Manifesto 2024 Part 2
    Providing fairer, greener homes for all

    • 1m on council waiting lists. 8.3x annual earnings to buy a home.
    • 150k social homes a year and end right to buy
    • Rent controls. End no fault evictions
    • Transform planning so new developments come with access to services and green spaces (note: rules exist now, not always well done – how will this be different?)
    • Right homes, right place, right price charter – simultaneously protect green space, reduce climate emissions, tackle fuel poverty, and genuinely affordable homes (note – it’s a miracle!)
    • 29bn over 5 years to insulate homes. 17bn of which is for private homes. 9bn for heating systems. 7bn to adapt for over heating. 4bn for insulation of public buildings.
    • Financing will come from ‘common sense changes in each housing sector’ (note – this may be the most worthless comment I’ve ever seen)
    • Nothing on making building easier unless its social housing. The bit on planning policy seems like it has no idea how planning is already taking place.
    Powering up fairer, greener energy
    • 70% wind power by 2030
    • No new oil and gas licences
    • Communities to own their energy forces, using profit to reduce bills (note – er, what?)
    • Phase out fossil fuels
    • Nuclear power is bad because it diverts investment away from renewables (note – would people automatically invest in wind and solar if they could not support nuclear?). Also nuclear weapons are bad.
    • Need to learn lessons of 1980s – just transition led by workers and unions to reap rewards of shift to green energy (note – what if workers and unions don’t support your ideas?)
    • 4bn a year in training for transition
    • Mandate use of solar panels on new homes (note – not a bad idea)
    • End de facto ban on onshore wind
    • Crown Estate into public ownership
    • End ‘greenwashing’ (note – not shore what this suggests in terms of action)
    • Supports expansion of grid capacity (note – local people object to this, what then?)
    Creating a farier, greener, economy
    • Another reference to us being one of the richest countries in the world yet people are struggling (note – people may agreed with the latter, but no matter the stats the former may not be believed by many too)
    • 40bn a year on green economic transformation (note – bold to specify the amount)
    • Carbon tax
    • Nationalize utilities
    • Tax multi millionaires and billionaires public services (note – they take us for mugs, it is true, but the well can only be tapped so far)
    • Any company with a uk bank licence must divest from fossil fuel assets by 2030, as well as non bank financial institutions.
    • 30bn for research (note – everyone is promising more for research, might that drive up the cost?)
    • “growing consensus” that economic growth is undermining our wellbeing (note – you what? Who has this consensus? You admit it is not the other political parties, who are more popular than you)
    cakeist populism.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Do insider trading laws cover gambling? I would hope they would because there isn’t any moral difference between the two behaviours as you see still using privileged information to exploit the difference between uninformed current value and true value. If it’s not subject to the insider trading rules then the law should be changed.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    Is that current Tories, or last-time Tories? Big difference!

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 12
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Presumably he did at least twig that if he walked in to slap 5,000 smackeroonies on, it might arouse some suspicion?
    They placed it online, the automated system will flag it regardless of size.
    For sure, but maybe he didn’t know that, and thought that £100 would sneak under the radar?
    Maybe, but as I said down thread, you really are a total moron if you risk all that for a few hundred quid. Its like fiddling VAT on a single job. And it isn't like betting scandals haven't been all over the headlines the past year with all the football players being caught up in it.

    Sunak is rubbish, but is clearly surrounded by people of low IQ.
  • tlg86 said:

    I've just realised that as I don't have a TV Licence, I don't think I can legally really get involved in any election discussions. I can't watch any debates, even if the broadcasters stream them live on YouTube. I can't watch any election night programmes, even if the broadcasters stream them live on YouTube. So, unless you fund the BBC, the election is difficult to follow.
    Obviously, there's a thing called the internet, but the TV Licence is a bar to easy political news access.

    The radio - including BBC stations - is still free.
    Obviously. But shouldn't GE TV be available for everyone?
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Looks like he’s putting his hands up to some of it

    https://x.com/craig4monty/status/1800936242487623943?s=46
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173

    tlg86 said:

    I've just realised that as I don't have a TV Licence, I don't think I can legally really get involved in any election discussions. I can't watch any debates, even if the broadcasters stream them live on YouTube. I can't watch any election night programmes, even if the broadcasters stream them live on YouTube. So, unless you fund the BBC, the election is difficult to follow.
    Obviously, there's a thing called the internet, but the TV Licence is a bar to easy political news access.

    The radio - including BBC stations - is still free.
    Obviously. But shouldn't GE TV be available for everyone?
    You're preaching to the converted when it comes to the licence fee.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    IanB2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    Is that current Tories, or last-time Tories? Big difference!

    It's their daily poll, so I don't know.

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/1800918903612113083?t=i3c6XB-zh8nII-ZdTY9pyQ&s=19
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,601
    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    Brexit, the great unflushed turd of British politics.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 12
    ToryJim said:

    Looks like he’s putting his hands up to some of it

    https://x.com/craig4monty/status/1800936242487623943?s=46

    Its a bit like saying well I am PA to the CEO of a FTSE listed company. At a time of lots of speculation of a big takeover, I thought it was be fun to have a bit of a flutter in the stockmarket and buy a bit of stock in the company. Never crossed my mind it might look bad.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,485
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Much as I like a bet, do people in these positions even need the money from such a winning bet?
    I highly doubt they did it for the money. If it was, you don't stick £100 on it even at 5/1.
    But since they knew they were right there wasn't even any thrill either!
    Yes, it’s like people who cheat in a pub quiz. I mean, what’s the fucking point?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    edited June 12
    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    I'll vote for a rejoin party. Manifesto or referendum, either is fine.

    REJOIN
    There are 26 Rejoin EU party candidates standing, a couple fairly local to me, but I am still deciding between LD and Green, leaning LD now.

    https://therejoineuparty.com/general-election-2024/candidates/
  • CleitophonCleitophon Posts: 480
    Marr has some really interesting things to say about Brexit, the EU and a labour government... he sounds quite gung-ho about the prospect of SM.

    https://youtu.be/_dnBBiEFogs?si=fV3r2NyunjHpKAWX
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,866

    tlg86 said:

    I've just realised that as I don't have a TV Licence, I don't think I can legally really get involved in any election discussions. I can't watch any debates, even if the broadcasters stream them live on YouTube. I can't watch any election night programmes, even if the broadcasters stream them live on YouTube. So, unless you fund the BBC, the election is difficult to follow.
    Obviously, there's a thing called the internet, but the TV Licence is a bar to easy political news access.

    The radio - including BBC stations - is still free.
    Obviously. But shouldn't GE TV be available for everyone?
    Yes, it's a "national event" like Royal Ascot - some differences. The election lasts for five weeks once every five years - so actually if you had one week per year it would be the same as Ascot.

    It's all about a lot of people dressing up strangely and making fools of themselves - okay.

    It's dominated by two big powerhouses but sometimes smaller groups win big races - right.

    There's a lot of betting involved but the bookies usually end up on the right side - perhaps.

    The King is an important part of the beginning and end of the whole process - seriously.

    By the end of it, everyone's glad it's over but secretly is looking forward to the next one - really.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    ToryJim said:

    Looks like he’s putting his hands up to some of it

    https://x.com/craig4monty/status/1800936242487623943?s=46

    Its a bit like saying well I am PA to the CEO of a FTSE listed company. At a time of lots of speculation of a big takeover, I thought it was be fun to have a bit of a flutter in the stockmarket and buy a bit of stock in the company. Never crossed my mind it might look bad.
    Yeah it reminds me of a great Malcolm Tucker insult:

    “He’s so dense, light bends round him.”
  • TweedledeeTweedledee Posts: 1,405
    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Much as I like a bet, do people in these positions even need the money from such a winning bet?
    I highly doubt they did it for the money. If it was, you don't stick £100 on it even at 5/1.
    But since they knew they were right there wasn't even any thrill either!
    Yes, it’s like people who cheat in a pub quiz. I mean, what’s the fucking point?
    And in marathons

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_Ruiz

    See also Frank Mesa. And stacks of others.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Heathener said:

    The LOESS regression wiki chart has updated. Makes for quite a dramatic sight. Here’s my one pic for the day (moved from the previous thread where it has been deleted in case Mods question this):


    With @TheScreamingEagles in an understandably tetchy mood, as he recuperates, I wouldn’t even risk reposting an old image, on the same day; it is still technically posting two images

    But what can I do. It’s not like you’re my sockpoppet
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    dixiedean said:

    This Tory campaign just keeps giving.
    Comedy gold.

    Mrs Anabob just burst out laughing when I told her the news.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 12

    boulay said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Much as I like a bet, do people in these positions even need the money from such a winning bet?
    I highly doubt they did it for the money. If it was, you don't stick £100 on it even at 5/1.
    But since they knew they were right there wasn't even any thrill either!
    Yes, it’s like people who cheat in a pub quiz. I mean, what’s the fucking point?
    And in marathons

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_Ruiz

    See also Frank Mesa. And stacks of others.
    Runners world editor cheats at running....

    https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2024/01/runners-world-editorr-scrutiny.html
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    A £100 bet....what an absolute moron.

    If you are anywhere near government decision making with rumours of when election is you don't go placing bets on this stuff. Its just moronic. Also do they not realise that bookies require KYC and are constantly checking for conflicts of interest these days. Hence why the footballers have all got done.

    Presumably he did at least twig that if he walked in to slap 5,000 smackeroonies on, it might arouse some suspicion?
    They placed it online, the automated system will flag it regardless of size.
    For sure, but maybe he didn’t know that, and thought that £100 would sneak under the radar?
    Maybe, but as I said down thread, you really are a total moron if you risk all that for a few hundred quid. Its like fiddling VAT on a single job. And it isn't like betting scandals haven't been all over the headlines the past year with all the football players being caught up in it.

    Sunak is rubbish, but is clearly surrounded by people of low IQ.
    If it does get traction, EC puts his seat 40-36% Con v Lab on current polling (although 52-26 last time).

    He'd better hope someone commits news in one of tonight's TV specials, to keep him off the front of the Shropshire Star.

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/calcwork23.py?seat=Montgomeryshire+and+Glyndwr
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    darkage said:

    kle4 said:

    Green Party Manifesto 2024 Part 2
    Providing fairer, greener homes for all

    • 1m on council waiting lists. 8.3x annual earnings to buy a home.
    • 150k social homes a year and end right to buy
    • Rent controls. End no fault evictions
    • Transform planning so new developments come with access to services and green spaces (note: rules exist now, not always well done – how will this be different?)
    • Right homes, right place, right price charter – simultaneously protect green space, reduce climate emissions, tackle fuel poverty, and genuinely affordable homes (note – it’s a miracle!)
    • 29bn over 5 years to insulate homes. 17bn of which is for private homes. 9bn for heating systems. 7bn to adapt for over heating. 4bn for insulation of public buildings.
    • Financing will come from ‘common sense changes in each housing sector’ (note – this may be the most worthless comment I’ve ever seen)
    • Nothing on making building easier unless its social housing. The bit on planning policy seems like it has no idea how planning is already taking place.
    Powering up fairer, greener energy
    • 70% wind power by 2030
    • No new oil and gas licences
    • Communities to own their energy forces, using profit to reduce bills (note – er, what?)
    • Phase out fossil fuels
    • Nuclear power is bad because it diverts investment away from renewables (note – would people automatically invest in wind and solar if they could not support nuclear?). Also nuclear weapons are bad.
    • Need to learn lessons of 1980s – just transition led by workers and unions to reap rewards of shift to green energy (note – what if workers and unions don’t support your ideas?)
    • 4bn a year in training for transition
    • Mandate use of solar panels on new homes (note – not a bad idea)
    • End de facto ban on onshore wind
    • Crown Estate into public ownership
    • End ‘greenwashing’ (note – not shore what this suggests in terms of action)
    • Supports expansion of grid capacity (note – local people object to this, what then?)
    Creating a farier, greener, economy
    • Another reference to us being one of the richest countries in the world yet people are struggling (note – people may agreed with the latter, but no matter the stats the former may not be believed by many too)
    • 40bn a year on green economic transformation (note – bold to specify the amount)
    • Carbon tax
    • Nationalize utilities
    • Tax multi millionaires and billionaires public services (note – they take us for mugs, it is true, but the well can only be tapped so far)
    • Any company with a uk bank licence must divest from fossil fuel assets by 2030, as well as non bank financial institutions.
    • 30bn for research (note – everyone is promising more for research, might that drive up the cost?)
    • “growing consensus” that economic growth is undermining our wellbeing (note – you what? Who has this consensus? You admit it is not the other political parties, who are more popular than you)
    cakeist populism.
    Oh, it gets better.
  • DoubleDutchDoubleDutch Posts: 161
    They need a spell in Opposition, preferably a long one. They have lost all sense of right and wrong.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    Talking of dickheads...

    Police say they are aware an internet prankster has seemingly been registered to stand as a general election candidate in multiple constituencies.

    The name of YouTuber Niko Omilana, who stood in the London mayoral election three years ago, is on the ballot as an independent in at least 11 constituencies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm55x95xj54o
  • NovoNovo Posts: 60
    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    I'll vote for a rejoin party. Manifesto or referendum, either is fine.

    REJOIN
    There are 26 Rejoin EU party candidates standing, a couple fairly local to me, but I am still deciding between LD and Green, leaning LD now.
    Are the Lib Dems promising either rejoin or a referendum? I thought they weren't.
    Promising to rejoin the Single Market and have closer links with Europe.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    Marr has some really interesting things to say about Brexit, the EU and a labour government... he sounds quite gung-ho about the prospect of SM.

    https://youtu.be/_dnBBiEFogs?si=fV3r2NyunjHpKAWX

    So many things rest upon whether Starmer and his team are emboldened by a big win, or spend five years quivering inside the fence they have erected around themselves.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    It really ought to be criminal. I don’t really see what the difference between the two are.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    Which is odd given that someone with financial inside info is forbidden from trading shares or options on that knowledge but, if you are right, could just go place a spread bet?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 12
    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    Which is odd given that someone with financial inside info is forbidden from trading shares or options on that knowledge but, if you are right, could just go place a spread bet?
    At one point it used to be really clear people were insider trading polls. We used to see the markets change rapidly before a poll was released. I think it was 2010 when we had a poster who would only pop up to leak the upcoming polls for later in the day.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    edited June 12
    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    I'll vote for a rejoin party. Manifesto or referendum, either is fine.

    REJOIN
    There are 26 Rejoin EU party candidates standing, a couple fairly local to me, but I am still deciding between LD and Green, leaning LD now.
    Are the Lib Dems promising either rejoin or a referendum? I thought they weren't.
    Neither this election, just rejoining various programmes and to open negotiations to join the Single Market.

    The party is quite open about Rejoin as a longer term objective, but a lot of relationship repairs need doing first.

    I wonder if the imminent destruction of the Conservative Party will be noticed by Right wing Populists on the continent, it might make them less anti-EU. Moan about it a bit but not actually do anything about it, the historic Tory position until 2016.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,651
    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    Which is odd given that someone with financial inside info is forbidden from trading shares or options on that knowledge but, if you are right, could just go place a spread bet?
    I suppose gambling markets have never been seen as in the public interest, unlike markets for joint stock companies, where fear of being beaten by insiders can deter investment and price determination.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    kle4 said:

    Green Party Manifesto 2024 Part 2
    Providing fairer, greener homes for all

    • 1m on council waiting lists. 8.3x annual earnings to buy a home.
    • 150k social homes a year and end right to buy
    • Rent controls. End no fault evictions
    • Transform planning so new developments come with access to services and green spaces (note: rules exist now, not always well done – how will this be different?)
    • Right homes, right place, right price charter – simultaneously protect green space, reduce climate emissions, tackle fuel poverty, and genuinely affordable homes (note – it’s a miracle!)
    • 29bn over 5 years to insulate homes. 17bn of which is for private homes. 9bn for heating systems. 7bn to adapt for over heating. 4bn for insulation of public buildings.
    • Financing will come from ‘common sense changes in each housing sector’ (note – this may be the most worthless comment I’ve ever seen)
    • Nothing on making building easier unless its social housing. The bit on planning policy seems like it has no idea how planning is already taking place.
    Powering up fairer, greener energy
    • 70% wind power by 2030
    • No new oil and gas licences
    • Communities to own their energy forces, using profit to reduce bills (note – er, what?)
    • Phase out fossil fuels
    • Nuclear power is bad because it diverts investment away from renewables (note – would people automatically invest in wind and solar if they could not support nuclear?). Also nuclear weapons are bad.
    • Need to learn lessons of 1980s – just transition led by workers and unions to reap rewards of shift to green energy (note – what if workers and unions don’t support your ideas?)
    • 4bn a year in training for transition
    • Mandate use of solar panels on new homes (note – not a bad idea)
    • End de facto ban on onshore wind
    • Crown Estate into public ownership
    • End ‘greenwashing’ (note – not shore what this suggests in terms of action)
    • Supports expansion of grid capacity (note – local people object to this, what then?)
    Creating a farier, greener, economy
    • Another reference to us being one of the richest countries in the world yet people are struggling (note – people may agreed with the latter, but no matter the stats the former may not be believed by many too)
    • 40bn a year on green economic transformation (note – bold to specify the amount)
    • Carbon tax
    • Nationalize utilities
    • Tax multi millionaires and billionaires public services (note – they take us for mugs, it is true, but the well can only be tapped so far)
    • Any company with a uk bank licence must divest from fossil fuel assets by 2030, as well as non bank financial institutions.
    • 30bn for research (note – everyone is promising more for research, might that drive up the cost?)
    • “growing consensus” that economic growth is undermining our wellbeing (note – you what? Who has this consensus? You admit it is not the other political parties, who are more popular than you)
    Arrrgghhh

    Rent controls and no ability of landlords to evict tenants. That's a recipe for landlords to behave badly
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,485
    IanB2 said:

    Marr has some really interesting things to say about Brexit, the EU and a labour government... he sounds quite gung-ho about the prospect of SM.

    https://youtu.be/_dnBBiEFogs?si=fV3r2NyunjHpKAWX

    So many things rest upon whether Starmer and his team are emboldened by a big win, or spend five years quivering inside the fence they have erected around themselves.
    He clearly doesn’t seem to have a problem standing for one thing at an election then going against it afterwards, for example supporting Corbyn as PM, so I’m sure he won’t mind raising taxes and ignoring everyone pointing out he said he wouldn’t. He’s a forensic, moral ex DPP don’t you know.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    I'll vote for a rejoin party. Manifesto or referendum, either is fine.

    REJOIN
    There are 26 Rejoin EU party candidates standing, a couple fairly local to me, but I am still deciding between LD and Green, leaning LD now.

    https://therejoineuparty.com/general-election-2024/candidates/
    Effectively a vote to keep the Tory in Mid Leicestershire. Is he/she a Remainer?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Green Party Manifesto 2024 Part 3
    Making work fair
    • Workers being exploited. Repeal anti-union legislation. 10:1 pay ratio for all private and public sector organisations.
    • Minimum wage of £15, employment allowance to 10k, full employment rights day one
    • Pay gap protections
    • Support 4 day weeks
    • Giving everyone a fairer, greener deal
    • Universal credit up 40 a week
    • End 5 week wait for benefits
    • Abolish 2 child benefit gap
    • Carers increased at least 10% a month
    • Scrap bedroom tax
    • ‘long term’ push for universal basic income
    A fairer and greener approach to public finances
    • Investment income taxed same rate as earned income.
    • No increase in basic rate of income tax
    • Rejecting ‘straitjacket of conventional fiscal rules’ (note – sounds like something Truss would say)
    • Wealth tax – 1% for those with assets above 10m, 2% for those over a billion
    • Reform inheritance tax to be more fair (note – no idea what this means in practice)
    • Green party always opposed council tax – long term goal land value tax
    • Windfall tax increase for oil and gas
    • Carbon tax – 120 per tonne, to 500 per tonne within 10 years – ‘deliberately’ to make it cheaper to reduce emissions than pay tax. Estimate it will raise £80bn by end of parliament
    • ‘never allow an obsession with fiscal rules to stop us investing’ (note - !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So basically if something looks like a bad idea, never mind)
    Brining nature back to life
    • Nature more than just its economic value.
    • Water privtisation a disaster.
    • New right to nature act – legal personhood to nature (note – and that helps things how? – says cannot be exploited for financial gain, does that mean farming is out?)
    • 30% land and seas set aside
    • everyone can live 15 minutes from a nature rich green space
    • 3bn annually to support returning to nature
    Protecting animals
    • Commission on animal protection
    • ban on all blood suports
    • new laws to tackle when companion animals are stolen (note - gimmick, why is a new law needed?)
    • 'work toward' ban on lab monkey testing
    • oppose badger culling
    • push for ban on bottom trawling
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    I'll vote for a rejoin party. Manifesto or referendum, either is fine.

    REJOIN
    There are 26 Rejoin EU party candidates standing, a couple fairly local to me, but I am still deciding between LD and Green, leaning LD now.

    https://therejoineuparty.com/general-election-2024/candidates/
    Effectively a vote to keep the Tory in Mid Leicestershire. Is he/she a Remainer?
    No, the only Tory that I would vote for in this election would be Watling in Clacton.

    If my seat goes Lab it would mean that Starmer has a 251 seat majority rather than a mere 250, so it matters not.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,546
    On the Green Party manifesto:

    Does "ban on all blood sports" include fishing?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    Which is odd given that someone with financial inside info is forbidden from trading shares or options on that knowledge but, if you are right, could just go place a spread bet?
    At one point it used to be really clear people were insider trading polls. We used to see the markets change rapidly before a poll was released. I think it was 2010 when we had a poster who would only pop up to leak the upcoming polls for later in the day.
    Indeed. Although only if the numbers were good for the Tories. You could predict a decent survey for Labour when he was conspicuous in his absence.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    ToryJim said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    It really ought to be criminal. I don’t really see what the difference between the two are.
    The problem, I think, is that there's a very blurred line in most sports between inside betting and just being well informed.

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895

    On the Green Party manifesto:

    Does "ban on all blood sports" include fishing?

    And general elections where the governing party is self-harming?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,059
    edited June 12

    I am jacked, jacked to the tits!

    Prize to anyone that gets the reference...
    Ryan BladeRunner, not Ryan Deadpool, in the one with Steve Carell, not the better one with Jeremy Irons and The Wrong Spock
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    Which is odd given that someone with financial inside info is forbidden from trading shares or options on that knowledge but, if you are right, could just go place a spread bet?
    Financial spread betting firms are regulated by the FSA, and normal insider trading provisions apply I believe.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,651

    Talking of dickheads...

    Police say they are aware an internet prankster has seemingly been registered to stand as a general election candidate in multiple constituencies.

    The name of YouTuber Niko Omilana, who stood in the London mayoral election three years ago, is on the ballot as an independent in at least 11 constituencies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm55x95xj54o

    I never knew it was illegal to stand in more than one constituency. Seems a bit much.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,397
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    I'll vote for a rejoin party. Manifesto or referendum, either is fine.

    REJOIN
    There are 26 Rejoin EU party candidates standing, a couple fairly local to me, but I am still deciding between LD and Green, leaning LD now.

    https://therejoineuparty.com/general-election-2024/candidates/
    Effectively a vote to keep the Tory in Mid Leicestershire. Is he/she a Remainer?
    No, the only Tory that I would vote for in this election would be Watling in Clacton.

    If my seat goes Lab it would mean that Starmer has a 251 seat majority rather than a mere 250, so it matters not.
    252.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    ITV shovelling it on before they even get into the interview...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,485
    edited June 12
    viewcode said:

    I am jacked, jacked to the tits!

    Prize to anyone that gets the reference...
    Ryan BladeRunner, not Ryan Deadpool, in the one with Steve Carell, not the better one with Jeremy Irons and The Wrong Spock
    Deleted for me being an idiot and not reading correctly.
  • chrisbchrisb Posts: 114
    edited June 12
    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/19/section/42
    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2005/19/notes/division/5/3/7/1/7
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580

    ITV shovelling it on before they even get into the interview...

    And this may cut through with the less online people...
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    rcs1000 said:

    ToryJim said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    It really ought to be criminal. I don’t really see what the difference between the two are.
    The problem, I think, is that there's a very blurred line in most sports between inside betting and just being well informed.

    I guess but there ought to be a way to draft a law that at least gets the most egregious examples, such as here.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited June 12
    rcs1000 said:

    ToryJim said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    It really ought to be criminal. I don’t really see what the difference between the two are.
    The problem, I think, is that there's a very blurred line in most sports between inside betting and just being well informed.

    I suspect Tony Bloom and Matthew Benham were never waiting for Sky Sports to tell them what the line-ups were for 3pm Saturday kick-offs.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,809
    edited June 12
    EPG said:

    Talking of dickheads...

    Police say they are aware an internet prankster has seemingly been registered to stand as a general election candidate in multiple constituencies.

    The name of YouTuber Niko Omilana, who stood in the London mayoral election three years ago, is on the ballot as an independent in at least 11 constituencies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm55x95xj54o

    I never knew it was illegal to stand in more than one constituency. Seems a bit much.
    deleted - too sarcastic. Also out of date, maybe.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    edited June 12

    On the Green Party manifesto:

    Does "ban on all blood sports" include fishing?

    The Green Party is fundamentally opposed to all blood sports and would campaign to introduce
    a ban on all hunting in the first year of a new parliament. This includes trophy hunting, trail
    hunting, where dogs are used to track foxes, and the commercial shooting of game birds.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,704
    This ITV programme is more of a documentary.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,321
    edited June 12
    rcs1000 said:

    As I understand it, this is not a criminal offense. There is no law against "insider betting".

    However, this is a spectacularly stupid thing to do, and is morally pretty shitty.

    Agreed, but it does remind me of the time when Cherie Blair was expecting and Tony was asked by a local politician in Ireland whether they knew the gender of child yet.

    'Yes. Boy, we're told.'

    'Thought of a name yet?'

    'Leo.'

    'Oh, nice. And slightly unusual.'

    'Well, it's a family thing. One of Cherie's favorite ancestors.'

    And the Irishman disappeared quietly to find a bookie laying the names of the PM's next born. Morally dubious? I can tell you he would have been cheered to the rafters in Ireland. :)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,173
    In 2003, I knew someone who worked at Porsche on Park Lane. They told me that David O'Leary had just been in and told them that he was the new Aston Villa manager. I was only 16 at the time so wasn't in a position to take advantage of it. But I'd have had no qualms about doing so if I was in that position today.

    However, if I were close to the PM, I would not be betting on the date of the election.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    I'll vote for a rejoin party. Manifesto or referendum, either is fine.

    REJOIN
    There are 26 Rejoin EU party candidates standing, a couple fairly local to me, but I am still deciding between LD and Green, leaning LD now.

    https://therejoineuparty.com/general-election-2024/candidates/
    Effectively a vote to keep the Tory in Mid Leicestershire. Is he/she a Remainer?
    No, the only Tory that I would vote for in this election would be Watling in Clacton.

    If my seat goes Lab it would mean that Starmer has a 251 seat majority rather than a mere 250, so it matters not.
    You would still wind up with a Leaver Tory MP!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    EPG said:

    Talking of dickheads...

    Police say they are aware an internet prankster has seemingly been registered to stand as a general election candidate in multiple constituencies.

    The name of YouTuber Niko Omilana, who stood in the London mayoral election three years ago, is on the ballot as an independent in at least 11 constituencies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm55x95xj54o

    I never knew it was illegal to stand in more than one constituency. Seems a bit much.
    I disagree. If you win in more than one you have to hold immediate by-elections just as a practical issue (I think this has happened in the recent Indian elections), it means those who can afford more deposits have more of a chance of finding a winnable seat without effort, parties can boost certain people above others unfairly.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    I was just thinking, Sunak owes Piers Moron £1000, maybe they were offsetting that bet....
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 888
    EPG said:

    Talking of dickheads...

    Police say they are aware an internet prankster has seemingly been registered to stand as a general election candidate in multiple constituencies.

    The name of YouTuber Niko Omilana, who stood in the London mayoral election three years ago, is on the ballot as an independent in at least 11 constituencies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm55x95xj54o

    I never knew it was illegal to stand in more than one constituency. Seems a bit much.
    He would have had better luck in India, I think Rahul Gandhi was actually elected for 2 different seats!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,866
    Evening all :)

    I was wondering where the Labour activists in East London would go given there aren't too many marginal seats in the vicinity (apart from East Ham and its 33,000 majority of course).

    Would they go to Romford or to Hornchurch & Upminster?

    It seems not - the Newham Mayor and the Labour candidates for Stratford & Bow and West Ham & Beckton have headed to Colchester.

    https://www.opennewham.co.uk/news/the-west-ham-and-beckton-campaign-is-getting-personal

    James Cracknell, the new Conservative candidate, is defending a 9,400 majority - Labour needs a swing of 8.8% to take the seat so should be quite achievable on current numbers. It is the 136th most marginal Conservvative seat (or the 236th safest if you prefer).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    edited June 12

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    I'll vote for a rejoin party. Manifesto or referendum, either is fine.

    REJOIN
    There are 26 Rejoin EU party candidates standing, a couple fairly local to me, but I am still deciding between LD and Green, leaning LD now.

    https://therejoineuparty.com/general-election-2024/candidates/
    Effectively a vote to keep the Tory in Mid Leicestershire. Is he/she a Remainer?
    No, the only Tory that I would vote for in this election would be Watling in Clacton.

    If my seat goes Lab it would mean that Starmer has a 251 seat majority rather than a mere 250, so it matters not.
    You would still wind up with a Leaver Tory MP!
    Instead of a Leaver Labour one!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    The "we never had Sky TV" poverty claim sounded even worse watching it - similar to May's mental gyrations before offering running through a field of wheat as her being naughty...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    tlg86 said:

    In 2003, I knew someone who worked at Porsche on Park Lane. They told me that David O'Leary had just been in and told them that he was the new Aston Villa manager. I was only 16 at the time so wasn't in a position to take advantage of it. But I'd have had no qualms about doing so if I was in that position today.

    However, if I were close to the PM, I would not be betting on the date of the election.

    When I was a lad, there was big speculation that Danny Murphy would sign for Liverpool from Crewe. I saw him filling up at a petrol station in a shitty Seat, so I thought well that's not happening then. Next day he signed for Liverpool. Apparently he kept the car.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    Talking of dickheads...

    Police say they are aware an internet prankster has seemingly been registered to stand as a general election candidate in multiple constituencies.

    The name of YouTuber Niko Omilana, who stood in the London mayoral election three years ago, is on the ballot as an independent in at least 11 constituencies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm55x95xj54o

    This is the stage we are at where pillocks are leveraging democracy for views and likes. This civilisation deserves to fall.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    I'll vote for a rejoin party. Manifesto or referendum, either is fine.

    REJOIN
    There are 26 Rejoin EU party candidates standing, a couple fairly local to me, but I am still deciding between LD and Green, leaning LD now.
    Are the Lib Dems promising either rejoin or a referendum? I thought they weren't.
    Neither this election, just rejoining various programmes and to open negotiations to join the Single Market.

    The party is quite open about Rejoin as a longer term objective, but a lot of relationship repairs need doing first.

    I wonder if the imminent destruction of the Conservative Party will be noticed by Right wing Populists on the continent, it might make them less anti-EU. Moan about it a bit but not actually do anything about it, the historic Tory position until 2016.
    They’re already trimming and tucking to become less anti-EU; cf one Ms Meloni
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950

    Foxy said:

    Also from Yougov:



    No wonder that Tories aren't crowing about Brexit when only a third of their own supporters think it as has done more good than harm.

    And opposition parties should note that this sort of polling cannot be ignored forever.

    Brexit, the great unflushed turd of British politics.
    Embodied in the excremental form of Farage.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited June 12
    EPG said:

    Talking of dickheads...

    Police say they are aware an internet prankster has seemingly been registered to stand as a general election candidate in multiple constituencies.

    The name of YouTuber Niko Omilana, who stood in the London mayoral election three years ago, is on the ballot as an independent in at least 11 constituencies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm55x95xj54o

    I never knew it was illegal to stand in more than one constituency. Seems a bit much.
    I didn’t know it was, and am fairly sure it didn’t used to be. It was just that if you got elected more than once, you had to resign all but one.

    Didn’t Bill Boakes stand in multiple seats back in the ‘80s? Or maybe even the ‘70s?
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 580

    The "we never had Sky TV" poverty claim sounded even worse watching it - similar to May's mental gyrations before offering running through a field of wheat as her being naughty...

    yes the full clip is actually a ton worse... I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt for it but I think it will annoy people...
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