pitch: Ed Davey's tragic death during a particularly wacky campaign stunt propels the Lib Dems to a massive sympathy-driven majority
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his party.
OK I know I’m slightly biased, but I think Davey’s campaign approach so far is pretty interesting. He looks like he’s actually having fun. That’s quite a contrast with either Starmer or Sunak.
The waterslide today shows this is very much deliberate.
Michael Crick seems to think Eddie Izzard is in with a shot at Brighton Kemptown if interested.
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
Crick isn't obvious casting as Hamlet, but you've got to credit him for the effort.
I should have been more precise in my wording but your response did amuse me.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
I thought it was largely because the Tories have shat the bed over and over again.
Michael Crick seems to think Eddie Izzard is in with a shot at Brighton Kemptown if interested.
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
Eddie Izzard's resilience is impressive but he doesn't seem much liked by members or voters.
Never been sure why. Unless behind the scenes he's quite full of himself and thinks he should be elected just because he's Eddie Izzard.
Take the members out of the equation. They are just there to do the donkey work and get the candidate elected. Job done.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
I thought it was largely because the Tories have shat the bed over and over again.
pitch: Ed Davey's tragic death during a particularly wacky campaign stunt propels the Lib Dems to a massive sympathy-driven majority
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his party.
Still not as good as Jeremy Thorpe’s line after Macimillan sacked several cabinet members: Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lays down his friends for his life!
One thing more on Richard Madeley. He and Judy paid for their old colleague Tony Wilson's cancer treatment after he'd fallen on hard times. So he's a nice bloke too.
I somehow ended up on a Christian mailing list and their emails are getting more apocalyptic by the day.
The UK has fallen prey to chaos. Consider – a hopelessly fractured and no longer fit for purpose NHS; economic shambles and the ever-looming threat of financial collapse; the disintegration of the family and accompanying epidemic of mental illness; a country increasingly having to give way to immigrants; an unprecedented climate of antisemitism and racial intimidation; growing violence on our streets … and, to cap it all, we are warned that we shall soon be a nation at war. Indeed, some say that war has already started.
But while politicians come up with endless plans and strategies that they promise will make everything right, the real question – that they are failing dismally to address, let alone answer – is why are we in such a mess in the first place? And unless we answer that, we can’t hope to find a solution.
To Christians the answer is clear, even if, to many, it remains unacceptable. Because of the choices we have made over the last century, God has withdrawn His hand of protection, and we are now a nation under judgement. Unless and until we repent, there will be no improvement. Indeed, things will get worse. The general election called for 4th July comes then at a crucial time. Without any shadow of doubt, our nation is at a tipping point and, if we jump the wrong way, we shall spill over into disaster. So what must we do, and who can lead us through this time of societal collapse and threatened war? Who, or what, can save us?
I was hoping that the answer was TRUSS but it turns out that it's God.
Michael Crick seems to think Eddie Izzard is in with a shot at Brighton Kemptown if interested.
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
To be a carpetbagger. Or not to be a carpetbagger. That, is the question.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
Ah yes, Arteta, well known for taking the top prize every season. A real winner. How many titles is it now ?
I somehow ended up on a Christian mailing list and their emails are getting more apocalyptic by the day.
The UK has fallen prey to chaos. Consider – a hopelessly fractured and no longer fit for purpose NHS; economic shambles and the ever-looming threat of financial collapse; the disintegration of the family and accompanying epidemic of mental illness; a country increasingly having to give way to immigrants; an unprecedented climate of antisemitism and racial intimidation; growing violence on our streets … and, to cap it all, we are warned that we shall soon be a nation at war. Indeed, some say that war has already started.
But while politicians come up with endless plans and strategies that they promise will make everything right, the real question – that they are failing dismally to address, let alone answer – is why are we in such a mess in the first place? And unless we answer that, we can’t hope to find a solution.
To Christians the answer is clear, even if, to many, it remains unacceptable. Because of the choices we have made over the last century, God has withdrawn His hand of protection, and we are now a nation under judgement. Unless and until we repent, there will be no improvement. Indeed, things will get worse. The general election called for 4th July comes then at a crucial time. Without any shadow of doubt, our nation is at a tipping point and, if we jump the wrong way, we shall spill over into disaster. So what must we do, and who can lead us through this time of societal collapse and threatened war? Who, or what, can save us?
I was hoping that the answer was TRUSS but it turns out that it's God.
Whatever happened to the Natural Law Party? Surely what Britain needs now is yogic flying.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
I thought it was largely because the Tories have shat the bed over and over again.
Hmmm. 50:50.
There's a question, though.
Suppose that, somehow, this election was Rishi vs Jez? Or, slighly more plausibly, RIshi vs Long-Bailey?
Given the state of the traffic in Seoul, this might be a serious commercial proposition.
ARCHER IN KOREA | Korea’s Minister of Transport announced that Archer will join Kakao Mobility as their eVTOL partner and fund Archer's commercialization efforts in the country. Here are the key takeaways:
🤝 INITIAL PAYMENT | Kakao Mobility, @LGUPlus Corp, and GS E&C Corp. will pay Archer $7M in 2024 with a second installment due in January of 2025 to support early air taxi commercialization efforts in Korea
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🏙️ URBAN AIR MOBILITY EXPANSION | The consortium aims to jointly commercialize eVTOL operations in South Korea in 2026. Kakao Mobility plans to offer its 30M+ users the opportunity to travel via Archer’s Midnight electric air taxis in the country's largest cities
✈️ DEMONSTRATION FLIGHTS | In a joint effort to garner public support in commercialization UAM, Archer and Kakao will conduct public demo flights as part of the K-UAM Grand Challenge as soon as later this year and work with regulators to set eVTOL standards in Korea https://x.com/ArcherAviation/status/1796125526727467095
I somehow ended up on a Christian mailing list and their emails are getting more apocalyptic by the day.
The UK has fallen prey to chaos. Consider – a hopelessly fractured and no longer fit for purpose NHS; economic shambles and the ever-looming threat of financial collapse; the disintegration of the family and accompanying epidemic of mental illness; a country increasingly having to give way to immigrants; an unprecedented climate of antisemitism and racial intimidation; growing violence on our streets … and, to cap it all, we are warned that we shall soon be a nation at war. Indeed, some say that war has already started.
But while politicians come up with endless plans and strategies that they promise will make everything right, the real question – that they are failing dismally to address, let alone answer – is why are we in such a mess in the first place? And unless we answer that, we can’t hope to find a solution.
To Christians the answer is clear, even if, to many, it remains unacceptable. Because of the choices we have made over the last century, God has withdrawn His hand of protection, and we are now a nation under judgement. Unless and until we repent, there will be no improvement. Indeed, things will get worse. The general election called for 4th July comes then at a crucial time. Without any shadow of doubt, our nation is at a tipping point and, if we jump the wrong way, we shall spill over into disaster. So what must we do, and who can lead us through this time of societal collapse and threatened war? Who, or what, can save us?
I was hoping that the answer was TRUSS but it turns out that it's God.
I somehow ended up on a Christian mailing list and their emails are getting more apocalyptic by the day.
The UK has fallen prey to chaos. Consider – a hopelessly fractured and no longer fit for purpose NHS; economic shambles and the ever-looming threat of financial collapse; the disintegration of the family and accompanying epidemic of mental illness; a country increasingly having to give way to immigrants; an unprecedented climate of antisemitism and racial intimidation; growing violence on our streets … and, to cap it all, we are warned that we shall soon be a nation at war. Indeed, some say that war has already started.
But while politicians come up with endless plans and strategies that they promise will make everything right, the real question – that they are failing dismally to address, let alone answer – is why are we in such a mess in the first place? And unless we answer that, we can’t hope to find a solution.
To Christians the answer is clear, even if, to many, it remains unacceptable. Because of the choices we have made over the last century, God has withdrawn His hand of protection, and we are now a nation under judgement. Unless and until we repent, there will be no improvement. Indeed, things will get worse. The general election called for 4th July comes then at a crucial time. Without any shadow of doubt, our nation is at a tipping point and, if we jump the wrong way, we shall spill over into disaster. So what must we do, and who can lead us through this time of societal collapse and threatened war? Who, or what, can save us?
I was hoping that the answer was TRUSS but it turns out that it's God.
Michael Crick seems to think Eddie Izzard is in with a shot at Brighton Kemptown if interested.
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
Eddie Izzard's resilience is impressive but he doesn't seem much liked by members or voters.
Never been sure why. Unless behind the scenes he's quite full of himself and thinks he should be elected just because he's Eddie Izzard.
Take the members out of the equation. They are just there to do the donkey work and get the candidate elected. Job done.
Given what happens when party members are given anything more than donkey work to do, choosing Prime Ministers for example, that might be for the best.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
I thought it was largely because the Tories have shat the bed over and over again.
Hmmm. 50:50.
There's a question, though.
Suppose that, somehow, this election was Rishi vs Jez? Or, slighly more plausibly, RIshi vs Long-Bailey?
Don't have nightmares, everyone.
Suddenly that Green manifesto looks more appealing.
I somehow ended up on a Christian mailing list and their emails are getting more apocalyptic by the day.
The UK has fallen prey to chaos. Consider – a hopelessly fractured and no longer fit for purpose NHS; economic shambles and the ever-looming threat of financial collapse; the disintegration of the family and accompanying epidemic of mental illness; a country increasingly having to give way to immigrants; an unprecedented climate of antisemitism and racial intimidation; growing violence on our streets … and, to cap it all, we are warned that we shall soon be a nation at war. Indeed, some say that war has already started.
But while politicians come up with endless plans and strategies that they promise will make everything right, the real question – that they are failing dismally to address, let alone answer – is why are we in such a mess in the first place? And unless we answer that, we can’t hope to find a solution.
To Christians the answer is clear, even if, to many, it remains unacceptable. Because of the choices we have made over the last century, God has withdrawn His hand of protection, and we are now a nation under judgement. Unless and until we repent, there will be no improvement. Indeed, things will get worse. The general election called for 4th July comes then at a crucial time. Without any shadow of doubt, our nation is at a tipping point and, if we jump the wrong way, we shall spill over into disaster. So what must we do, and who can lead us through this time of societal collapse and threatened war? Who, or what, can save us?
I was hoping that the answer was TRUSS but it turns out that it's God.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
I thought it was largely because the Tories have shat the bed over and over again.
Hmmm. 50:50.
There's a question, though.
Suppose that, somehow, this election was Rishi vs Jez? Or, slighly more plausibly, RIshi vs Long-Bailey?
Don't have nightmares, everyone.
Yeah. I've been wondering how the polls might look with Corbyn in charge. Guess we'll never know.
I somehow ended up on a Christian mailing list and their emails are getting more apocalyptic by the day.
The UK has fallen prey to chaos. Consider – a hopelessly fractured and no longer fit for purpose NHS; economic shambles and the ever-looming threat of financial collapse; the disintegration of the family and accompanying epidemic of mental illness; a country increasingly having to give way to immigrants; an unprecedented climate of antisemitism and racial intimidation; growing violence on our streets … and, to cap it all, we are warned that we shall soon be a nation at war. Indeed, some say that war has already started.
But while politicians come up with endless plans and strategies that they promise will make everything right, the real question – that they are failing dismally to address, let alone answer – is why are we in such a mess in the first place? And unless we answer that, we can’t hope to find a solution.
To Christians the answer is clear, even if, to many, it remains unacceptable. Because of the choices we have made over the last century, God has withdrawn His hand of protection, and we are now a nation under judgement. Unless and until we repent, there will be no improvement. Indeed, things will get worse. The general election called for 4th July comes then at a crucial time. Without any shadow of doubt, our nation is at a tipping point and, if we jump the wrong way, we shall spill over into disaster. So what must we do, and who can lead us through this time of societal collapse and threatened war? Who, or what, can save us?
I was hoping that the answer was TRUSS but it turns out that it's God.
Whatever happened to the Natural Law Party? Surely what Britain needs now is yogic flying.
Didn't the leader of TM (can't remember his name) put Britain under a sort of excommunication because of Iraq?
Here's their party political broadcast from 1997 in case you weren't around for the crazy then. https://youtu.be/5HP3EPZJX7c
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
I thought it was largely because the Tories have shat the bed over and over again.
Hmmm. 50:50.
There's a question, though.
Suppose that, somehow, this election was Rishi vs Jez? Or, slighly more plausibly, RIshi vs Long-Bailey?
Don't have nightmares, everyone.
Yeah. I've been wondering how the polls might look with Corbyn in charge. Guess we'll never know.
Tory minority govt.
Don't think the British electorate plays with Corbyn under any circumstances.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
Ah yes, Arteta, well known for taking the top prize every season. A real winner. How many titles is it now ?
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
So finishing second at the end of the season then?
That bizarre and biased take “oh not those 120 business leaders” must upset you to see, as a ‘lifelong Labour voter’?
Whereas for SKS fans (who are not lifelong Labour voters) like you and Pete they believe any old hype/tripe from Lab.
The Telegraph report is mainly factual but hey Centrists don't let facts get in the way of anything whilst at the same time being full on hypocrites about their own voting records.
My regular reminder that I have yet to meet an "SKS Fan" whether on here or elsewhere. I have also never met a "Sunak Fan" nor a "Davey Fan".
I have met, however, several "Corbyn Fans" but given they deny he led the party into its worst defeat in nearly a century I think they could perhaps better be described as "Corbyn Cultists".
Sunil, Anabobazina, Mexican Pete are SKS fans. None of them voted Lab in 2017/ 2019
I have yet to meet a Corbyn critic who mentions 2017
Probably due to the fact they would love to forget the biggest swing to Lab since WW2
Fake news.
Who did you vote for?
Are you a hypocrite?
I voted Corbyn in 2017. Like many others I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I voted Liberal in 2019, like many others I realised I was wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt in the previous poll.
Check your facts before spreading untruths about others on here.
Not lifelong Lab then?
Despite you expecting that of others?
You yourself are not "Lifelong Lab". Why does it matter if anyone is "Lifelong Lab"? Why are you obsessed with being "Lifelong Lab"? It doesn't mean anything FFS. It's a political party not a football team.
Anyone who supports a single party without deviation, repetition or hesitation from cradle to grave can be usefully ignored.
Michael Crick seems to think Eddie Izzard is in with a shot at Brighton Kemptown if interested.
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
Crick isn't obvious casting as Hamlet, but you've got to credit him for the effort.
I should have been more precise in my wording but your response did amuse me.
Still, it got me imagining him delivering "To be or not to be" in serious Newsnight direct to camera mode, and I can actually see it now. Probably better than Izzard.
I was gonna do a long impassioned comment about our blindness on migration but fuck it. The debate is so warped and stupid it’s not even worth it
Also I have just been to the world’s second largest wine cellar
Spare us. But on immigration why then do we have so much of it. Is it a conspiracy that some unknown virus is making everyone not vote for Reform.
Do you think that the Tories have been honest about their immigration policy over the last 14 years?
I think they have promised things that they haven't delivered. But the voters have punished them by voting them back into office. What do you make of that.
I was gonna do a long impassioned comment about our blindness on migration but fuck it. The debate is so warped and stupid it’s not even worth it
Also I have just been to the world’s second largest wine cellar
And here you go, you utter, utter bellend.
With time peoples' attitudes become more progressive. Why this shouldn't happen with 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation muslims (or orthodox Jews or twatty Spectator readers and contributors) is not at all clear.
Even the low-IQ media are getting bored of Ed Davey stunts. He might have to up his game and go for something more high risk like sword swallowing or fire eating.
"Mother Teresa could not beat these charges," Trump told a throng of reporters. "These charges are rigged. The whole thing is rigged."
In Mother Teresa's defense, she likely never would have found herself embroiled in an adulterous affair with a porn star while seeking to be elected leader of the free world."
Not sure if mentioned but FindOutNow/ElectoralCalculus have an MRP out at 9 pm tomorrow in one of the nationals
Fuck me, that's exciting.
Not particularly but this is a site with people who like to bet so a heads up on this sort of thing might allow someone to get in on a value bet somewhere.
Even the low-IQ media are getting bored of Ed Davey stunts. He might have to up his game and go for something more high risk like sword swallowing or fire eating.
The talk of the likes of Richard Madeley. Reminds for some reason of (those who know US TV media personalities) Geraldo Rivera. Over the years he became more and more ridiculed (and rightly so) for his absolute nonsense takes on Fox News.
What a lot of people don't know is he early in his career he was a "proper" journalist. He won a Peabody Award when he exposed huge scandal of horrendous mistreatment of people with learning difficulties.
"Mother Teresa could not beat these charges," Trump told a throng of reporters. "These charges are rigged. The whole thing is rigged."
In Mother Teresa's defense, she likely never would have found herself embroiled in an adulterous affair with a porn star while seeking to be elected leader of the free world."
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
"Karl Hansen @karl_fh · 1h Luke Akehurst believes the Vietnam War was good and should have continued. Only a few dozen weirdos in Britain hold opinions like this. Unfortunately for us, they run the Labour Party and will soon run the country. Quote Luke Akehurst @lukeakehurst · Feb 11, 2020 Replying to @caibarhaw@eli_edwards and 4 others It was Nixon who ended the Vietnam war and betrayed the South Vietnamese..."
Er. I'd always thought it was the S Vietnamese Army ditching their weapons and uniforms while the VietCong overran the US Embassy which ended the War. But you live and learn.
The US cut off aid. The North invaded the South in a conventional war, heavily supplied by the USSR.
The Vietcong played nearly no part. They had largely been wiped out in the Tet Offensive. Some say that this was part of the plan from the North - that the Vietcong represented a power base they didn’t want in a United Vietnam.
The South fought until they ran out of ammunition. Then collapsed.
I somehow ended up on a Christian mailing list and their emails are getting more apocalyptic by the day.
The UK has fallen prey to chaos. Consider – a hopelessly fractured and no longer fit for purpose NHS; economic shambles and the ever-looming threat of financial collapse; the disintegration of the family and accompanying epidemic of mental illness; a country increasingly having to give way to immigrants; an unprecedented climate of antisemitism and racial intimidation; growing violence on our streets … and, to cap it all, we are warned that we shall soon be a nation at war. Indeed, some say that war has already started.
But while politicians come up with endless plans and strategies that they promise will make everything right, the real question – that they are failing dismally to address, let alone answer – is why are we in such a mess in the first place? And unless we answer that, we can’t hope to find a solution.
To Christians the answer is clear, even if, to many, it remains unacceptable. Because of the choices we have made over the last century, God has withdrawn His hand of protection, and we are now a nation under judgement. Unless and until we repent, there will be no improvement. Indeed, things will get worse. The general election called for 4th July comes then at a crucial time. Without any shadow of doubt, our nation is at a tipping point and, if we jump the wrong way, we shall spill over into disaster. So what must we do, and who can lead us through this time of societal collapse and threatened war? Who, or what, can save us?
I was hoping that the answer was TRUSS but it turns out that it's God.
Whatever happened to the Natural Law Party? Surely what Britain needs now is yogic flying.
Didn't the leader of TM (can't remember his name) put Britain under a sort of excommunication because of Iraq?
Here's their party political broadcast from 1997 in case you weren't around for the crazy then. https://youtu.be/5HP3EPZJX7c
Bloody hell.
"blah blah blah... we'll cut the NHS budget in half... blah blah... we support a United Europe but will undo the Common Agricultural Policy... blah... we'll double the intellectual capacity of our children..."
Honestly, the yogic flying stuff was the most sensible bit.
I was gonna do a long impassioned comment about our blindness on migration but fuck it. The debate is so warped and stupid it’s not even worth it
Also I have just been to the world’s second largest wine cellar
And here you go, you utter, utter bellend.
With time peoples' attitudes become more progressive. Why this shouldn't happen with 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation muslims (or orthodox Jews) is not at all clear.
Even the low-IQ media are getting bored of Ed Davey stunts. He might have to up his game and go for something more high risk like sword swallowing or fire eating.
My wife is a fabulous person who I am very lucky to share my life with but she never listens to song lyrics either and is frequently astonished when I point out what the lyrics are and what they are getting at.
She is not, however, daft enough to work for the SNP.
Labour now saying no increase in tax rates and no changes to already planned fiscal drag of not changing the thresholds for 4 years. They are either going to have to make massive cuts or aren't telling the truth.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
Not enough housing for whom?
Everyone.
Everyone plus 2 million over the next 3 years?
You can leave if you think it might help.
You see how easily you slip into thoughts about excluding people due to competition for resources? The level of immigration is the biggest threat to the colour-blind (or anything-blind) society you want to protect.
We can never build enough for 'everyone' if 'everyone' continues to expand at such a rapid rate.
I was more thinking of self-exclusion.
We sort of can build enough for "everyone" unless you have an idea to restrict population growth. What was the stat the other day? Some ridiculously small percentage of the UK is built upon.
But that's not the point. The point, as small children from Hartlepool understand - and our very own Dura upthread pointed out - is that it is wholly within our power to cut immigration. But government after government has refused to do so. Governments are elected on a popular mandate to do stuff and we quite simply haven't asked ours in recent times to prioritise restricting immigration.
Richard Tice was on the radio this morning saying legal and illegal immigration needs attention so come July 4th we will see if the Great British Public, with a golden opportunity finally to do something about it, agrees with him and votes for Reform.
I wouldn't say "government after government has refused to do so". Immigration hasn't been consistently high for decades. See figure 2 at https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ It was not particularly high under Thatcher/Major. It rose somewhat under New Labour, dropped a little bit with the global crash, inched higher under Cameron, a bit lower under May, collapsed because of COVID-19, and then went stratospheric after Brexit. So, that reflects both global trends and government policies. When people talk about millions of immigrants, that's a post-Brexit thing. The EU allowed for labour mobility, but people came and went. After Brexit, the pattern of immigration is very different.
Rayner has come out to bat for Abbott today so Labour clearly don't want to move on from the story yet
If the poll referred to yesterday is right then the 'purge' plays well with non-Labour voters and it's worth it to Starmer to lose 2 voters to Greens/Lib Dems/Galloway if he can get 1 from the Tories.
Might store up problems later for Starmer though - be very sure when you defecate on people on the way up that you don't need them on the way down.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
Not enough housing for whom?
Everyone.
Everyone plus 2 million over the next 3 years?
You can leave if you think it might help.
You see how easily you slip into thoughts about excluding people due to competition for resources? The level of immigration is the biggest threat to the colour-blind (or anything-blind) society you want to protect.
We can never build enough for 'everyone' if 'everyone' continues to expand at such a rapid rate.
I was more thinking of self-exclusion.
We sort of can build enough for "everyone" unless you have an idea to restrict population growth. What was the stat the other day? Some ridiculously small percentage of the UK is built upon.
But that's not the point. The point, as small children from Hartlepool understand - and our very own Dura upthread pointed out - is that it is wholly within our power to cut immigration. But government after government has refused to do so. Governments are elected on a popular mandate to do stuff and we quite simply haven't asked ours in recent times to prioritise restricting immigration.
Richard Tice was on the radio this morning saying legal and illegal immigration needs attention so come July 4th we will see if the Great British Public, with a golden opportunity finally to do something about it, agrees with him and votes for Reform.
I wouldn't say "government after government has refused to do so". Immigration hasn't been consistently high for decades. See figure 2 at https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ It was not particularly high under Thatcher/Major. It rose somewhat under New Labour, dropped a little bit with the global crash, inched higher under Cameron, a bit lower under May, collapsed because of COVID-19, and then went stratospheric after Brexit. So, that reflects both global trends and government policies. When people talk about millions of immigrants, that's a post-Brexit thing. The EU allowed for labour mobility, but people came and went. After Brexit, the pattern of immigration is very different.
The vast majority of immigration even pre-Brexit was from outside the EU. EU membership was a scapegoat because free movement was used as a scapegoat for not restricting migration more generally.
Labour now saying no increase in tax rates and no changes to already planned fiscal drag of not changing the thresholds for 4 years. They are either going to have to make massive cuts or aren't telling the truth.
Of course, the Tories aren't much better.
That circle can't possibly be squared. Unless of course... They make Mary Elizabeth Truss Chancellor.
I was gonna do a long impassioned comment about our blindness on migration but fuck it. The debate is so warped and stupid it’s not even worth it
Also I have just been to the world’s second largest wine cellar
And here you go, you utter, utter bellend.
With time peoples' attitudes become more progressive. Why this shouldn't happen with 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation muslims (or orthodox Jews) is not at all clear.
People's attitudes do not always become more progressive with time. You're extrapolating too much from your own lifetime.
Two separate things.
Most people don't change their minds that much about that much over their lifetime.
The changes generation to generation are another matter. And it seems pretty plausible that 2nd/3rd etc generation immigrants will become more like the country where they were born and grew up. Assimilation isn't quick, and it isn't inevitable, but it happens a lot.
(There is a curious blind spot in boomer thinking here. Most of them think that the reforms of their youth are right, proper and should be defended. Reforming anything else is another matter. Douglas Adams's musings on technological innovation spring to mind here.)
Labour should allow Abbott to stand and move on from this pathetic self inflicted wound . Starmer has managed to box himself in so now he looks bad either way . Not sure who decided this was a fight worth having a month out from the election .
The Tories have made a last-minute change to the layout of the ad we discussed earlier, to avoid the 'LABOUR WILL WIN' bit appearing together on the same line:
Not sure if mentioned but FindOutNow/ElectoralCalculus have an MRP out at 9 pm tomorrow in one of the nationals
Fuck me, that's exciting.
Not particularly but this is a site with people who like to bet so a heads up on this sort of thing might allow someone to get in on a value bet somewhere.
I think their last one was February? That had the Tories on 80.
Rayner has come out to bat for Abbott today so Labour clearly don't want to move on from the story yet
"Why is a young (wo)man like you concerned about Northern Ireland Gaza? What about drive-by shootings of little girls in Hackney? What about knife crime?"
Rayner has come out to bat for Abbott today so Labour clearly don't want to move on from the story yet
If the poll referred to yesterday is right then the 'purge' plays well with non-Labour voters and it's worth it to Starmer to lose 2 voters to Greens/Lib Dems/Galloway if he can get 1 from the Tories.
Might store up problems later for Starmer though - be very sure when you defecate on people on the way up that you don't need them on the way down.
I don't see Tories going Labour over if (they may approve but that's a facet of hating her politics) but I do see him losing (some) left votes over it. He needs to bury the story one way or another and move on
• Renationalising our NHS • £70bn Wealth Tax • 500,000 Council Homes • £16 per hour min wage • Universal Basic Income • Rent Controls • Abolishing Tuition Fees • Recognition of Palestine • Free Secondary School Meals • Axe Two-Child Cap
That's why I will Vote 💚
Looking forward to NHS brand Ibuprofen.
4 & 5, in combination, would simply end a rather large chunk of jobs in the U.K.
Assuming a £12k UBI, that’s £40k a year for the lowest paid job.
The whole point of a UBI is that you can abolish the minimum wage and all the means-tested benefits, tax credits etc, along with the huge bureaucracy that supports the welfare state.
I was gonna do a long impassioned comment about our blindness on migration but fuck it. The debate is so warped and stupid it’s not even worth it
Also I have just been to the world’s second largest wine cellar
And here you go, you utter, utter bellend.
With time peoples' attitudes become more progressive. Why this shouldn't happen with 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation muslims (or orthodox Jews) is not at all clear.
People's attitudes do not always become more progressive with time. You're extrapolating too much from your own lifetime.
Maybe. In Afghan they haven't (in the sixties the women were going around in mini-skirts). But they have in western liberal democracies and we are in a western liberal democracies.
Not sure if mentioned but FindOutNow/ElectoralCalculus have an MRP out at 9 pm tomorrow in one of the nationals
Fuck me, that's exciting.
Not particularly but this is a site with people who like to bet so a heads up on this sort of thing might allow someone to get in on a value bet somewhere.
I think their last one was February? That had the Tories on 80.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
Not enough housing for whom?
Everyone.
Everyone plus 2 million over the next 3 years?
You can leave if you think it might help.
You see how easily you slip into thoughts about excluding people due to competition for resources? The level of immigration is the biggest threat to the colour-blind (or anything-blind) society you want to protect.
We can never build enough for 'everyone' if 'everyone' continues to expand at such a rapid rate.
I was more thinking of self-exclusion.
We sort of can build enough for "everyone" unless you have an idea to restrict population growth. What was the stat the other day? Some ridiculously small percentage of the UK is built upon.
But that's not the point. The point, as small children from Hartlepool understand - and our very own Dura upthread pointed out - is that it is wholly within our power to cut immigration. But government after government has refused to do so. Governments are elected on a popular mandate to do stuff and we quite simply haven't asked ours in recent times to prioritise restricting immigration.
Richard Tice was on the radio this morning saying legal and illegal immigration needs attention so come July 4th we will see if the Great British Public, with a golden opportunity finally to do something about it, agrees with him and votes for Reform.
I wouldn't say "government after government has refused to do so". Immigration hasn't been consistently high for decades. See figure 2 at https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ It was not particularly high under Thatcher/Major. It rose somewhat under New Labour, dropped a little bit with the global crash, inched higher under Cameron, a bit lower under May, collapsed because of COVID-19, and then went stratospheric after Brexit. So, that reflects both global trends and government policies. When people talk about millions of immigrants, that's a post-Brexit thing. The EU allowed for labour mobility, but people came and went. After Brexit, the pattern of immigration is very different.
The vast majority of immigration even pre-Brexit was from outside the EU. EU membership was a scapegoat because free movement was used as a scapegoat for not restricting migration more generally.
There has clearly been a change in immigration numbers and pattern since we Brexited. The really big increases are since Brexit. Feel free to offer an explanation for what has happened. I suggest freedom of movement meant labour shortages could be filled without as much long term immigration.
I was gonna do a long impassioned comment about our blindness on migration but fuck it. The debate is so warped and stupid it’s not even worth it
Also I have just been to the world’s second largest wine cellar
And here you go, you utter, utter bellend.
With time peoples' attitudes become more progressive. Why this shouldn't happen with 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation muslims (or orthodox Jews) is not at all clear.
People's attitudes do not always become more progressive with time. You're extrapolating too much from your own lifetime.
Two separate things.
Most people don't change their minds that much about that much over their lifetime.
The changes generation to generation are another matter. And it seems pretty plausible that 2nd/3rd etc generation immigrants will become more like the country where they were born and grew up. Assimilation isn't quick, and it isn't inevitable, but it happens a lot.
(There is a curious blind spot in boomer thinking here. Most of them think that the reforms of their youth are right, proper and should be defended. Reforming anything else is another matter. Douglas Adams's musings on technological innovation spring to mind here.)
It's a very real phenomenon for some 2nd/3rd generation immigrants to indentify with an idealised version of their homeland rather than the country they grow up in.
In any case, that idea of assimilation depends on the late 20th century conception of stable nation states with a dominant majority culture. If you erase that then what are people assimilating into?
• Renationalising our NHS • £70bn Wealth Tax • 500,000 Council Homes • £16 per hour min wage • Universal Basic Income • Rent Controls • Abolishing Tuition Fees • Recognition of Palestine • Free Secondary School Meals • Axe Two-Child Cap
That's why I will Vote 💚
Looking forward to NHS brand Ibuprofen.
4 & 5, in combination, would simply end a rather large chunk of jobs in the U.K.
Assuming a £12k UBI, that’s £40k a year for the lowest paid job.
The whole point of a UBI is that you can abolish the minimum wage and all the means-tested benefits, tax credits etc, along with the huge bureaucracy that supports the welfare state.
Indeed. A UBI plus a minimum wage is a farce.
Why? You could argue that a minimum wage incentivises companies to keep innovating and investing. Otherwise, they essentially get cheap subsidised labour from the government.
For me the main benefit of a UBI is that people will be happier to take on risks like starting a small business.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
Not enough housing for whom?
Everyone.
Everyone plus 2 million over the next 3 years?
You can leave if you think it might help.
You see how easily you slip into thoughts about excluding people due to competition for resources? The level of immigration is the biggest threat to the colour-blind (or anything-blind) society you want to protect.
We can never build enough for 'everyone' if 'everyone' continues to expand at such a rapid rate.
I was more thinking of self-exclusion.
We sort of can build enough for "everyone" unless you have an idea to restrict population growth. What was the stat the other day? Some ridiculously small percentage of the UK is built upon.
But that's not the point. The point, as small children from Hartlepool understand - and our very own Dura upthread pointed out - is that it is wholly within our power to cut immigration. But government after government has refused to do so. Governments are elected on a popular mandate to do stuff and we quite simply haven't asked ours in recent times to prioritise restricting immigration.
Richard Tice was on the radio this morning saying legal and illegal immigration needs attention so come July 4th we will see if the Great British Public, with a golden opportunity finally to do something about it, agrees with him and votes for Reform.
I wouldn't say "government after government has refused to do so". Immigration hasn't been consistently high for decades. See figure 2 at https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ It was not particularly high under Thatcher/Major. It rose somewhat under New Labour, dropped a little bit with the global crash, inched higher under Cameron, a bit lower under May, collapsed because of COVID-19, and then went stratospheric after Brexit. So, that reflects both global trends and government policies. When people talk about millions of immigrants, that's a post-Brexit thing. The EU allowed for labour mobility, but people came and went. After Brexit, the pattern of immigration is very different.
The vast majority of immigration even pre-Brexit was from outside the EU. EU membership was a scapegoat because free movement was used as a scapegoat for not restricting migration more generally.
There has clearly been a change in immigration numbers and pattern since we Brexited. The really big increases are since Brexit. Feel free to offer an explanation for what has happened. I suggest freedom of movement meant labour shortages could be filled without as much long term immigration.
The reason that non-EU migration exploded since Brexit is that it coincided with an extremely liberal government being elected, combined with the schemes for people from Ukraine and Hong Kong.
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Shouldn't you be canvassing or leafletting or something? Isn't there are market somewhere you could go round? What's your agent thinking, letting you idle your time away on pb?
Be fair to him, he's probably sitting in the front seat of his agent's car creeping along behind a tractor and spray gear en route to his next task to work through the houses of Foggieloan (pop: 987).
I have various things that take my time: 1) Food industry consultant with a client where I am at the heart of a big project which goes live in week 25. 2) YouTuber with commitments to sponsors 3) Retail business owner with various tasks 4) Wife, kids, elderly mother
Sunak said we could all have our summer holidays - bloody liar. Ours in Scotland starts the weekend before the election - a lot of people will go away.
So campaigning is evenings & weekends until the immediate build up to polling day. Have a load of social media films ready to roll and a campaign launch to do this weekend. But during the week I'm doing what I was already doing. At least I am at my desk this week - have got multiple trips away in the coming weeks...
if you have all that on your plate, what the hell do you want to be an MP for ?
The Conservative Party did me a great favour, by rejecting me from their candidates' list in 2002.
I was asked but didn't even apply.
Some of that was uncertainty but having seen it up close with a couple of fridge it's a shit life.
I meant friends, not fridge.
Although some politicians do hide in them.
Was it Whoops! Apocalypse! where the Politburo were kept in fridges? I seem to remember a scene where they needed a vote, so opened each fridge in turn, to get them to say Da.
I was gonna do a long impassioned comment about our blindness on migration but fuck it. The debate is so warped and stupid it’s not even worth it
Also I have just been to the world’s second largest wine cellar
And here you go, you utter, utter bellend.
With time peoples' attitudes become more progressive. Why this shouldn't happen with 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation muslims (or orthodox Jews) is not at all clear.
People's attitudes do not always become more progressive with time. You're extrapolating too much from your own lifetime.
Maybe. In Afghan they haven't (in the sixties the women were going around in mini-skirts). But they have in western liberal democracies and we are in a western liberal democracies.
In Britain, the number of 18-24 year olds who support the death penalty for cases of multiple murder has risen to 56%.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
Ah yes, Arteta, well known for taking the top prize every season. A real winner. How many titles is it now ?
Like Starmer, he hasn't won yet.
So you think he will fall at the final hurdle too and be a well celebrated loser.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
The Arteta of UK politics.
Ah yes, Arteta, well known for taking the top prize every season. A real winner. How many titles is it now ?
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
Not enough housing for whom?
Everyone.
Everyone plus 2 million over the next 3 years?
You can leave if you think it might help.
You see how easily you slip into thoughts about excluding people due to competition for resources? The level of immigration is the biggest threat to the colour-blind (or anything-blind) society you want to protect.
We can never build enough for 'everyone' if 'everyone' continues to expand at such a rapid rate.
I was more thinking of self-exclusion.
We sort of can build enough for "everyone" unless you have an idea to restrict population growth. What was the stat the other day? Some ridiculously small percentage of the UK is built upon.
But that's not the point. The point, as small children from Hartlepool understand - and our very own Dura upthread pointed out - is that it is wholly within our power to cut immigration. But government after government has refused to do so. Governments are elected on a popular mandate to do stuff and we quite simply haven't asked ours in recent times to prioritise restricting immigration.
Richard Tice was on the radio this morning saying legal and illegal immigration needs attention so come July 4th we will see if the Great British Public, with a golden opportunity finally to do something about it, agrees with him and votes for Reform.
I wouldn't say "government after government has refused to do so". Immigration hasn't been consistently high for decades. See figure 2 at https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ It was not particularly high under Thatcher/Major. It rose somewhat under New Labour, dropped a little bit with the global crash, inched higher under Cameron, a bit lower under May, collapsed because of COVID-19, and then went stratospheric after Brexit. So, that reflects both global trends and government policies. When people talk about millions of immigrants, that's a post-Brexit thing. The EU allowed for labour mobility, but people came and went. After Brexit, the pattern of immigration is very different.
The vast majority of immigration even pre-Brexit was from outside the EU. EU membership was a scapegoat because free movement was used as a scapegoat for not restricting migration more generally.
There has clearly been a change in immigration numbers and pattern since we Brexited. The really big increases are since Brexit. Feel free to offer an explanation for what has happened. I suggest freedom of movement meant labour shortages could be filled without as much long term immigration.
The reason that non-EU migration exploded since Brexit is that it coincided with an extremely liberal government being elected, combined with the schemes for people from Ukraine and Hong Kong.
A government effectively being run by Mark Francois and Bill Cash I don't think can be described as "liberal".
All the "liberal" Tories fucked off after/over Brexit.
I was gonna do a long impassioned comment about our blindness on migration but fuck it. The debate is so warped and stupid it’s not even worth it
Also I have just been to the world’s second largest wine cellar
And here you go, you utter, utter bellend.
With time peoples' attitudes become more progressive. Why this shouldn't happen with 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation muslims (or orthodox Jews) is not at all clear.
People's attitudes do not always become more progressive with time. You're extrapolating too much from your own lifetime.
Maybe. In Afghan they haven't (in the sixties the women were going around in mini-skirts). But they have in western liberal democracies and we are in a western liberal democracies.
In Britain, the number of 18-24 year olds who support the death penalty for cases of multiple murder has risen to 56%.
Whatever your politics at least we get to decide here. 14 convicted of a "vicious" plan to stand for election:
"Fourteen of the defendants — collectively known as the Hong Kong 47 — were found guilty of what prosecutors called a “vicious” plan to win a majority of seats in Hong Kong’s legislature and to force out the territory’s chief executive by blocking laws and budgets."
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The waterslide today shows this is very much deliberate.
https://x.com/dempster2000/status/1796122380885958813?s=46
He’s also focusing very closely on target seats only.
So he's a nice bloke too.
But while politicians come up with endless plans and strategies that they promise will make everything right, the real question – that they are failing dismally to address, let alone answer – is why are we in such a mess in the first place? And unless we answer that, we can’t hope to find a solution.
To Christians the answer is clear, even if, to many, it remains unacceptable. Because of the choices we have made over the last century, God has withdrawn His hand of protection, and we are now a nation under judgement. Unless and until we repent, there will be no improvement. Indeed, things will get worse. The general election called for 4th July comes then at a crucial time. Without any shadow of doubt, our nation is at a tipping point and, if we jump the wrong way, we shall spill over into disaster. So what must we do, and who can lead us through this time of societal collapse and threatened war? Who, or what, can save us?
Suppose that, somehow, this election was Rishi vs Jez? Or, slighly more plausibly, RIshi vs Long-Bailey?
Don't have nightmares, everyone.
ARCHER IN KOREA | Korea’s Minister of Transport announced that Archer will join Kakao Mobility as their eVTOL partner and fund Archer's commercialization efforts in the country. Here are the key takeaways:
🤝 INITIAL PAYMENT | Kakao Mobility,
@LGUPlus
Corp, and GS E&C Corp. will pay Archer $7M in 2024 with a second installment due in January of 2025 to support early air taxi commercialization efforts in Korea
✈️ AIRCRAFT ORDER | Kakao Mobility plans to purchase up to 50 of Archer’s Midnight aircraft worth up to ~$250M with pre-delivery payments also expected in 2025
🏙️ URBAN AIR MOBILITY EXPANSION | The consortium aims to jointly commercialize eVTOL operations in South Korea in 2026. Kakao Mobility plans to offer its 30M+ users the opportunity to travel via Archer’s Midnight electric air taxis in the country's largest cities
✈️ DEMONSTRATION FLIGHTS | In a joint effort to garner public support in commercialization UAM, Archer and Kakao will conduct public demo flights as part of the K-UAM Grand Challenge as soon as later this year and work with regulators to set eVTOL standards in Korea
https://x.com/ArcherAviation/status/1796125526727467095
https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1796157773887025290?s=61
I've been wondering how the polls might look with Corbyn in charge.
Guess we'll never know.
Here's their party political broadcast from 1997 in case you weren't around for the crazy then. https://youtu.be/5HP3EPZJX7c
Don't think the British electorate plays with Corbyn under any circumstances.
Swinney calls for Labour nationalisation of Network Rail.
https://x.com/STVNews/status/1795729794077700382
(It was effectively nationalised in 2002).
Lyrics in the hit 'Pretty Girls Walk' include:
"Shittin' on my ex, on to the next.
He know this p***y good 'cause he always come back."
https://x.com/paulhutcheon/status/1796132900804366554
Maybe could finish it by Monday if you're lucky.
Anyone who supports a single party without deviation, repetition or hesitation from cradle to grave can be usefully ignored.
Probably better than Izzard.
Spookily prescient.
With time peoples' attitudes become more progressive. Why this shouldn't happen with 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation muslims (or orthodox Jews or twatty Spectator readers and contributors) is not at all clear.
https://www.brin.ac.uk/figures/attitudes-towards-gay-rights/
"Mother Teresa could not beat these charges," Trump told a throng of reporters. "These charges are rigged. The whole thing is rigged."
In Mother Teresa's defense, she likely never would have found herself embroiled in an adulterous affair with a porn star while seeking to be elected leader of the free world."
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/5/29/2243504/-A-sulky-Trump-awaits-criminal-trial-verdict-while-Biden-stumps-in-Philly?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_6&pm_medium=web
Someone should adopt that policy in the UK. Or maybe we could privatise drizzle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoMiVPjDb10
What a lot of people don't know is he early in his career he was a "proper" journalist. He won a Peabody Award when he exposed huge scandal of horrendous mistreatment of people with learning difficulties.
Red Bull takes minority ownership stake in Leeds
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx88w2nneego
Pineapple pizza on match days ?
The Vietcong played nearly no part. They had largely been wiped out in the Tet Offensive. Some say that this was part of the plan from the North - that the Vietcong represented a power base they didn’t want in a United Vietnam.
The South fought until they ran out of ammunition. Then collapsed.
"blah blah blah... we'll cut the NHS budget in half... blah blah... we support a United Europe but will undo the Common Agricultural Policy... blah... we'll double the intellectual capacity of our children..."
Honestly, the yogic flying stuff was the most sensible bit.
She is not, however, daft enough to work for the SNP.
Of course, the Tories aren't much better.
* nicked from Politico
Might store up problems later for Starmer though - be very sure when you defecate on people on the way up that you don't need them on the way down.
Or is the Red Queen now on his little list??
What a garbage campaign from everyone so far
Unless of course...
They make Mary Elizabeth Truss Chancellor.
Most people don't change their minds that much about that much over their lifetime.
The changes generation to generation are another matter. And it seems pretty plausible that 2nd/3rd etc generation immigrants will become more like the country where they were born and grew up. Assimilation isn't quick, and it isn't inevitable, but it happens a lot.
(There is a curious blind spot in boomer thinking here. Most of them think that the reforms of their youth are right, proper and should be defended. Reforming anything else is another matter. Douglas Adams's musings on technological innovation spring to mind here.)
https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1796153218897948793
(*) prejudice against social behaviour.
He needs to bury the story one way or another and move on
In any case, that idea of assimilation depends on the late 20th century conception of stable nation states with a dominant majority culture. If you erase that then what are people assimilating into?
For me the main benefit of a UBI is that people will be happier to take on risks like starting a small business.
https://x.com/tonymc39/status/1796105512586559731
Revenge is a dish best eaten cold…..
An interesting thought but is he really 'purging' based on such a low expectation?
I'd say no, he's just exerting control, but it's risky to do it now
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/should-the-death-penalty-be-reintroduced-for-cases-of-multiple-murder?crossBreak=1824
All the "liberal" Tories fucked off after/over Brexit.
"Fourteen of the defendants — collectively known as the Hong Kong 47 — were found guilty of what prosecutors called a “vicious” plan to win a majority of seats in Hong Kong’s legislature and to force out the territory’s chief executive by blocking laws and budgets."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hong-kong-47-trial-court-democracy-national-security-law-vgh8q592x