That bizarre and biased take “oh not those 120 business leaders” must upset you to see, as a ‘lifelong Labour voter’?
Whereas for SKS fans (who are not lifelong Labour voters) like you and Pete they believe any old hype/tripe from Lab.
The Telegraph report is mainly factual but hey Centrists don't let facts get in the way of anything whilst at the same time being full on hypocrites about their own voting records.
My regular reminder that I have yet to meet an "SKS Fan" whether on here or elsewhere. I have also never met a "Sunak Fan" nor a "Davey Fan".
I have met, however, several "Corbyn Fans" but given they deny he led the party into its worst defeat in nearly a century I think they could perhaps better be described as "Corbyn Cultists".
Sunil, Anabobazina, Mexican Pete are SKS fans. None of them voted Lab in 2017/ 2019
I have yet to meet a Corbyn critic who mentions 2017
Probably due to the fact they would love to forget the biggest swing to Lab since WW2
Fake news.
Who did you vote for?
Are you a hypocrite?
I voted Corbyn in 2017. Like many others I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I voted Liberal in 2019, like many others I realised I was wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt in the previous poll.
Check your facts before spreading untruths about others on here.
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
"Karl Hansen @karl_fh · 1h Luke Akehurst believes the Vietnam War was good and should have continued. Only a few dozen weirdos in Britain hold opinions like this. Unfortunately for us, they run the Labour Party and will soon run the country. Quote Luke Akehurst @lukeakehurst · Feb 11, 2020 Replying to @caibarhaw@eli_edwards and 4 others It was Nixon who ended the Vietnam war and betrayed the South Vietnamese..."
I do hope we do not end up overrun with Palestinian protesters as a consequence of this during the campaign.
It is just disgraceful how we are taken for granted like this. Utterly brazen.
Kevan Jones told me on Facebook he was standing again and happy to do so. I do hope his standing down was not to enable this piece of crap to stand here. I didn't think it was due to his need for an operation. Would feel very let down if it was.
Are you saying that on your doorstep Gaza isn't the most important issue.
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Shouldn't you be canvassing or leafletting or something? Isn't there are market somewhere you could go round? What's your agent thinking, letting you idle your time away on pb?
Be fair to him, he's probably sitting in the front seat of his agent's car creeping along behind a tractor and spray gear en route to his next task to work through the houses of Foggieloan (pop: 987).
I have various things that take my time: 1) Food industry consultant with a client where I am at the heart of a big project which goes live in week 25. 2) YouTuber with commitments to sponsors 3) Retail business owner with various tasks 4) Wife, kids, elderly mother
Sunak said we could all have our summer holidays - bloody liar. Ours in Scotland starts the weekend before the election - a lot of people will go away.
So campaigning is evenings & weekends until the immediate build up to polling day. Have a load of social media films ready to roll and a campaign launch to do this weekend. But during the week I'm doing what I was already doing. At least I am at my desk this week - have got multiple trips away in the coming weeks...
if you have all that on your plate, what the hell do you want to be an MP for ?
He clearly doesn't want to be an MP, he switched to the LDs.....
• Renationalising our NHS • £70bn Wealth Tax • 500,000 Council Homes • £16 per hour min wage • Universal Basic Income • Rent Controls • Abolishing Tuition Fees • Recognition of Palestine • Free Secondary School Meals • Axe Two-Child Cap
That's why I will Vote 💚
Bit weak on the environment.
500,000 council homes built where exactly?
Got to say it's great to see a manifesto where not a single thought has been given as to how do we achieve this / pay for it...
The £16 ph min wage on top of UBI is err, interesting.
It really is young socialist workers manifesto, not a green party manifesto. Sad.
It does sound like an invitation, on the face of it, for disappointed social democrats to stick with Ming Vase Labour. The cost of the state pension is enough of a bone of contention; imagine the colossal expense of replacing it with what amounts to the pension for *everybody*.
It'll be fascinating to see whether they've tried to cost all this realistically in the manifesto...
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
In the least surprising news of the day, the “Lifelong Labour Voter” finds another reason not to vote Labour in yet another election.
Funny old world.
The least surprising news of the day id you posting like a complete twat.
Boulay, a week or so ago, commented on one of your witless posts with a rather acerbic but well measured critique. You should read it and digest it.
I may vote for the Green candidate as they have a hoopy name.
Thank you for your measured and not at all defensive and flustered response.
Lol.
TRUSS
Indeed so. Now you are getting somewhere.
I wonder, like you, whether she could stage a scintillating comeback, perhaps capturing Truss-curious Lifelong Labour Voters like you in the process?
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
Has the Labour candidate been tweeting stuff about the Jews?
Erm, yes, because the Labour candidate was (and maybe still is) director of a lobby group called We Believe in Israel. Ironic the NEC should block Faiza Shaheen for liking tweets about the Israel lobby on the same day as selecting someone who lobbies for Israel as his day job.
If they were going to impose a candidate on our area they could have, at least, had the decency to pick someone local with some local links or background rather than just take us for granted.
I think this is one of the reasons for the fall of the Red Wall. A lot of constituencies were taken for granted and nothing ever improved.
Why is Ed Milliband a Doncaster MP? He doesn't live here and I've never seen him. He should be representing a North London constituency.
Labour might in theory represent the values of much of the community but failed it in just about every other way.
Levelling up really was a good sales pitch and it is a shame it fell by the wayside.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
That bizarre and biased take “oh not those 120 business leaders” must upset you to see, as a ‘lifelong Labour voter’?
Whereas for SKS fans (who are not lifelong Labour voters) like you and Pete they believe any old hype/tripe from Lab.
The Telegraph report is mainly factual but hey Centrists don't let facts get in the way of anything whilst at the same time being full on hypocrites about their own voting records.
My regular reminder that I have yet to meet an "SKS Fan" whether on here or elsewhere. I have also never met a "Sunak Fan" nor a "Davey Fan".
I have met, however, several "Corbyn Fans" but given they deny he led the party into its worst defeat in nearly a century I think they could perhaps better be described as "Corbyn Cultists".
Look, Doug. I like Jeremy Corbyn, I think he's a good guy and voted for him in the leadership elections twice. But I've never claimed that GE19 was anything but a disaster and good Labour MPs lost their seats unnecessarily, I don't think there's any Labour (or lefty more generally) who would say GE19 was great. Using "Corbyn Cultist" feels too pejorative to me, it's just people with a slightly different political view.
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Shouldn't you be canvassing or leafletting or something? Isn't there are market somewhere you could go round? What's your agent thinking, letting you idle your time away on pb?
Be fair to him, he's probably sitting in the front seat of his agent's car creeping along behind a tractor and spray gear en route to his next task to work through the houses of Foggieloan (pop: 987).
I have various things that take my time: 1) Food industry consultant with a client where I am at the heart of a big project which goes live in week 25. 2) YouTuber with commitments to sponsors 3) Retail business owner with various tasks 4) Wife, kids, elderly mother
Sunak said we could all have our summer holidays - bloody liar. Ours in Scotland starts the weekend before the election - a lot of people will go away.
So campaigning is evenings & weekends until the immediate build up to polling day. Have a load of social media films ready to roll and a campaign launch to do this weekend. But during the week I'm doing what I was already doing. At least I am at my desk this week - have got multiple trips away in the coming weeks...
if you have all that on your plate, what the hell do you want to be an MP for ?
He clearly doesn't want to be an MP, he switched to the LDs.....
I know. Think of the fun I could have had inside Starmer's Labour Party. Toe the line, doff the cap, and be rewarded by being parachuted into God knows where...
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
"Karl Hansen @karl_fh · 1h Luke Akehurst believes the Vietnam War was good and should have continued. Only a few dozen weirdos in Britain hold opinions like this. Unfortunately for us, they run the Labour Party and will soon run the country. Quote Luke Akehurst @lukeakehurst · Feb 11, 2020 Replying to @caibarhaw@eli_edwards and 4 others It was Nixon who ended the Vietnam war and betrayed the South Vietnamese..."
I do hope we do not end up overrun with Palestinian protesters as a consequence of this during the campaign.
It is just disgraceful how we are taken for granted like this. Utterly brazen.
Kevan Jones told me on Facebook he was standing again and happy to do so. I do hope his standing down was not to enable this piece of crap to stand here. I didn't think it was due to his need for an operation. Would feel very let down if it was.
Are you saying that on your doorstep Gaza isn't the most important issue.
God no Wife puts me under strict orders not to mutter as we walk past the Gaza Protesters on Elvet Bridge when we are in Durham.
Jobs and economic growth especially for the North East is my main issue. Having an MP detached from the region using the seat as a stepping stone won't help us.
• Renationalising our NHS • £70bn Wealth Tax • 500,000 Council Homes • £16 per hour min wage • Universal Basic Income • Rent Controls • Abolishing Tuition Fees • Recognition of Palestine • Free Secondary School Meals • Axe Two-Child Cap
That's why I will Vote 💚
Any indication of a fully costed manifesto, otherwise not a serious party. I think there is a great debate to be had about UBI. I'm all in favour of simplifying how we support those in society who cannot work without endless checks and scrutiny. But what does renationalising the NHS mean? Seriously? Are the 500,000 council homes new builds (if so, at what cost and by whom)?
Are you saying the $70bn wealth tax is not enough?
UBI obviously means further tax changes and saving in benefits too
Anyway both main Parties are refusing to say where their austerity cuts will hit so some of us prefer a progressive alternative
Well lets say 50 million people? And 12K a year UBI. Simple maths gets us to 600,000,000,000 pounds a year, just a smidge over the 70,000,000,000 wealth tax. I accept it would be coupled with tax changes, but come on!
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
For someone as well educated as yourself this is a remarkably stupid thing to say. So unlimited immigration is ok we just need to build enough schools and hospitals. Dont even think of cutting it. Of course someone with your wealth can just isolate yourself in your country mansion so what do you care. Hopefully the next labour govt will raid the wealth of people like yourself to pay for all these new hospitals.
Successive governments have enabled hundreds of thousands of immigrants. It has happened in plain sight. Claims have been made ("tens of thousands", etc) but immigration has increased.
To me this shows that really, we don't mind immigration. Or we would do something about it (cf Brexit, where we wanted to Brexit after all the faffing and finally did so).
We of course don't like being out of control, and hence the emphasis on the boats, but it turns out that you, I, and all the others don't mind immigration.
That bizarre and biased take “oh not those 120 business leaders” must upset you to see, as a ‘lifelong Labour voter’?
Whereas for SKS fans (who are not lifelong Labour voters) like you and Pete they believe any old hype/tripe from Lab.
The Telegraph report is mainly factual but hey Centrists don't let facts get in the way of anything whilst at the same time being full on hypocrites about their own voting records.
My regular reminder that I have yet to meet an "SKS Fan" whether on here or elsewhere. I have also never met a "Sunak Fan" nor a "Davey Fan".
I have met, however, several "Corbyn Fans" but given they deny he led the party into its worst defeat in nearly a century I think they could perhaps better be described as "Corbyn Cultists".
Sunil, Anabobazina, Mexican Pete are SKS fans. None of them voted Lab in 2017/ 2019
I have yet to meet a Corbyn critic who mentions 2017
Probably due to the fact they would love to forget the biggest swing to Lab since WW2
Fake news.
Who did you vote for?
Are you a hypocrite?
I voted Corbyn in 2017. Like many others I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I voted Liberal in 2019, like many others I realised I was wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt in the previous poll.
Check your facts before spreading untruths about others on here.
Calm down Sunshine, you'll have a coronary.
Think of a cashless car park punishing the elderly for not having a smartphone. That will make you smile.
• Renationalising our NHS • £70bn Wealth Tax • 500,000 Council Homes • £16 per hour min wage • Universal Basic Income • Rent Controls • Abolishing Tuition Fees • Recognition of Palestine • Free Secondary School Meals • Axe Two-Child Cap
That's why I will Vote 💚
I'd agree with the last, but that is only one out of ten.
I wouldn't agree with much of it either - but I'm not really the market for it. I'd say it's healthy, though, that these things are at least raised. I'd say none of them are the right solutions, but many of them at least attempt a solution where other parties aren't really bothering. A democracy should make space for these arguments. Kind of odd that it's the green party doing it, though.
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Shouldn't you be canvassing or leafletting or something? Isn't there are market somewhere you could go round? What's your agent thinking, letting you idle your time away on pb?
Be fair to him, he's probably sitting in the front seat of his agent's car creeping along behind a tractor and spray gear en route to his next task to work through the houses of Foggieloan (pop: 987).
I have various things that take my time: 1) Food industry consultant with a client where I am at the heart of a big project which goes live in week 25. 2) YouTuber with commitments to sponsors 3) Retail business owner with various tasks 4) Wife, kids, elderly mother
Sunak said we could all have our summer holidays - bloody liar. Ours in Scotland starts the weekend before the election - a lot of people will go away.
So campaigning is evenings & weekends until the immediate build up to polling day. Have a load of social media films ready to roll and a campaign launch to do this weekend. But during the week I'm doing what I was already doing. At least I am at my desk this week - have got multiple trips away in the coming weeks...
if you have all that on your plate, what the hell do you want to be an MP for ?
The Conservative Party did me a great favour, by rejecting me from their candidates' list in 2002.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
Not enough housing for whom?
Everyone.
Everyone plus 2 million over the next 3 years?
You can leave if you think it might help.
You see how easily you slip into thoughts about excluding people due to competition for resources? The level of immigration is the biggest threat to the colour-blind (or anything-blind) society you want to protect.
We can never build enough for 'everyone' if 'everyone' continues to expand at such a rapid rate.
Yes, we can build enough for everyone.
In many countries, around the world, population growth of 1% a year has happened. See Peru.
Peru is one of the worst governed countries in the world. They managed, however, to not stop people building houses.
What Peru can do, we can do.
Have you been to Peru. Massive shanty towns and desperate povery all round Lima. Is this what you want for the uk.
Yes, I have. Spent a fair bit of time there.
We are building a bit over 200K properties a year in the U.K.
Net immigration is 685k
Number of families etc is not easy to find, but that’s probably 400k of properties required. Say.
So if we double property construction, we keep up. Treble it and we start to deal with the backlog.
That isn’t impossible.
Well sure the wuestion is then where do we build. Maybe we should start obviously in the home counties like surrey for london overspill. Plenty of green fields beyween the towns there.
Welcome btw you have a very easy tone in your comments, like an old PB hand, so looking forward to hearing more from you. Don't mind the "in your country mansion" snit either.
That bizarre and biased take “oh not those 120 business leaders” must upset you to see, as a ‘lifelong Labour voter’?
Whereas for SKS fans (who are not lifelong Labour voters) like you and Pete they believe any old hype/tripe from Lab.
The Telegraph report is mainly factual but hey Centrists don't let facts get in the way of anything whilst at the same time being full on hypocrites about their own voting records.
My regular reminder that I have yet to meet an "SKS Fan" whether on here or elsewhere. I have also never met a "Sunak Fan" nor a "Davey Fan".
I have met, however, several "Corbyn Fans" but given they deny he led the party into its worst defeat in nearly a century I think they could perhaps better be described as "Corbyn Cultists".
Look, Doug. I like Jeremy Corbyn, I think he's a good guy and voted for him in the leadership elections twice. But I've never claimed that GE19 was anything but a disaster and good Labour MPs lost their seats unnecessarily, I don't think there's any Labour (or lefty more generally) who would say GE19 was great. Using "Corbyn Cultist" feels too pejorative to me, it's just people with a slightly different political view.
I think you miss my point. There’s a big difference between being a “fan” and “liking”. You’re clearly in the latter camp for big JC. However, thediff between Corbyn and most other leaders is that he has a hardcore of supporters who think he’s the political messiah. BJO is looking for the equivalent for SKS as he is for JC. They don’t exist - not on here anyways
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
LOL we just examine forensically the policies. I mean you probably look on painkillers as work of the devil/AAC but they are a part of the NHS which is in private hands. As ever, the devil is in the detail.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
By your logic any level of immigration is fine - ten million people a year - just as long as you build the housing. Quite apart from the economic illogic, you ignore the huge cultural impact
If Britain becomes majority Muslim are you OK with that and everything it means? Homosexuality becoming illegal again? Really?
No you’re not ok with that so you’re just a posturing twat
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
"Karl Hansen @karl_fh · 1h Luke Akehurst believes the Vietnam War was good and should have continued. Only a few dozen weirdos in Britain hold opinions like this. Unfortunately for us, they run the Labour Party and will soon run the country. Quote Luke Akehurst @lukeakehurst · Feb 11, 2020 Replying to @caibarhaw@eli_edwards and 4 others It was Nixon who ended the Vietnam war and betrayed the South Vietnamese..."
I do hope we do not end up overrun with Palestinian protesters as a consequence of this during the campaign.
It is just disgraceful how we are taken for granted like this. Utterly brazen.
Kevan Jones told me on Facebook he was standing again and happy to do so. I do hope his standing down was not to enable this piece of crap to stand here. I didn't think it was due to his need for an operation. Would feel very let down if it was.
Are you saying that on your doorstep Gaza isn't the most important issue.
God no Wife puts me under strict orders not to mutter as we walk past the Gaza Protesters on Elvet Bridge when we are in Durham.
Jobs and economic growth especially for the North East is my main issue. Having an MP detached from the region using the seat as a stepping stone won't help us.
The choice of Akehurst for North Durham does smack of a touch of hubris from Labour to me. "We're taking the north back, and taking it for granted once more". I mean the Tories are clearly on the way out this election, but my guess is Labour are probably going to get about 42% (Which will translate to an absolute thumping due to a seriously depressed Tory vote) but they'll be losing voteshare each election onward from here.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
So that is different to every other party exactly how?
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
Has the Labour candidate been tweeting stuff about the Jews?
Erm, yes, because the Labour candidate was (and maybe still is) director of a lobby group called We Believe in Israel. Ironic the NEC should block Faiza Shaheen for liking tweets about the Israel lobby on the same day as selecting someone who lobbies for Israel as his day job.
If they were going to impose a candidate on our area they could have, at least, had the decency to pick someone local with some local links or background rather than just take us for granted.
I think this is one of the reasons for the fall of the Red Wall. A lot of constituencies were taken for granted and nothing ever improved.
Why is Ed Milliband a Doncaster MP? He doesn't live here and I've never seen him. He should be representing a North London constituency.
Labour might in theory represent the values of much of the community but failed it in just about every other way.
Levelling up really was a good sales pitch and it is a shame it fell by the wayside.
I think it was one reason for the fall of the red wall. I do not think in Durham it was especially bad in that respect but certainly in other parts of it. Levelling up was great in theory. It has not really happened. I hope Kim McGuinness as Mayor can make a real difference. She was quite engaging on twitter as to what she plans to do. No one in Westminster is going to help us. So we need to do it ourselves.
The problem we had was Labour took us for granted as we always voted for them in droves, the Tories did nothing for us as they had little chance of getting in round here. That all changed in 2019 but nothing has really improved things round here.
I think, at least, Kevan Jones had a feel for the area and its values. I do not think a parachuted NEC member who lives in the South will have any empathy or feeling for the area.
Labour lost Durham as a local council, the coalition have not done a great job. Their focus is Seaham, Durham City and Bishop Auckland, just like Labour. Labour will probably take the council back but it is just more decline I'm afraid.
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Richard Madeley is among our top political interviewers, remarkably enough.
Everyone forgets that he was a serious journalist for two decades, before he did morning TV with his missus. Emma Barnett is another who was a proper hack for a while.
It can be seriously disarming to an unprepared politician, when he thinks he’s going for a soft-soap chat and all he thinks he needs to remember is the price of bread and milk.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
So they're the most unselfish group? They would rather have fewer immigrants and be forced to pay more for domestic workers.
People are not forced to have logical reasons for their vote.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
By your logic any level of immigration is fine - ten million people a year - just as long as you build the housing. Quite apart from the economic illogic, you ignore the huge cultural impact
If Britain becomes majority Muslim are you OK with that and everything it means? Homosexuality becoming illegal again? Really?
No you’re not ok with that so you’re just a posturing twat
Nah I'm just looking at what is in front of us. "How many 10m" is scaremongering a la Farage. As is your "majority Muslim" whine.
What I want doesn't matter. We thought we were at the end of history with our fancy schmancy western liberal democracy but the truth is that we will win or lose in the battle of ideas. I would say the vast majority of Muslims in this country accord with "our" values. If anyone (the Pope, Orthodox Jews, Muslims) wants to outlaw homosexuality we will have to argue with them why they shouldn't.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
For someone as well educated as yourself this is a remarkably stupid thing to say. So unlimited immigration is ok we just need to build enough schools and hospitals. Dont even think of cutting it. Of course someone with your wealth can just isolate yourself in your country mansion so what do you care. Hopefully the next labour govt will raid the wealth of people like yourself to pay for all these new hospitals.
Successive governments have enabled hundreds of thousands of immigrants. It has happened in plain sight. Claims have been made ("tens of thousands", etc) but immigration has increased.
To me this shows that really, we don't mind immigration. Or we would do something about it (cf Brexit, where we wanted to Brexit after all the faffing and finally did so).
We of course don't like being out of control, and hence the emphasis on the boats, but it turns out that you, I, and all the others don't mind immigration.
I don't think that's right. Brexit was the end result of at least two decades of that point of view being roundly ignored by the political classes, and the referendum still only came about because the Tories needed to nullify the threat of UKIP. Due to our political system - where Con stack up the votes of people who want to avoid a Lb government, and vice versa, it takes an absolute age for a new idea to permeate the body politic, if at all. I'd say immigration is just as big an issue in the UK as it is in the rest of Europe - it would be odd if we were an exception. But our democracy (like most) is imperfect, and it takes a long time for an idea held by the electorate to be picked up by the political classes.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I vote Green occassionally. This manifesto feels quite different, and err, less green, than those of the past few general elections.
That bizarre and biased take “oh not those 120 business leaders” must upset you to see, as a ‘lifelong Labour voter’?
Whereas for SKS fans (who are not lifelong Labour voters) like you and Pete they believe any old hype/tripe from Lab.
The Telegraph report is mainly factual but hey Centrists don't let facts get in the way of anything whilst at the same time being full on hypocrites about their own voting records.
My regular reminder that I have yet to meet an "SKS Fan" whether on here or elsewhere. I have also never met a "Sunak Fan" nor a "Davey Fan".
I have met, however, several "Corbyn Fans" but given they deny he led the party into its worst defeat in nearly a century I think they could perhaps better be described as "Corbyn Cultists".
Sunil, Anabobazina, Mexican Pete are SKS fans. None of them voted Lab in 2017/ 2019
I have yet to meet a Corbyn critic who mentions 2017
Probably due to the fact they would love to forget the biggest swing to Lab since WW2
Fake news.
Who did you vote for?
Are you a hypocrite?
I voted Corbyn in 2017. Like many others I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I voted Liberal in 2019, like many others I realised I was wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt in the previous poll.
Check your facts before spreading untruths about others on here.
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
"Karl Hansen @karl_fh · 1h Luke Akehurst believes the Vietnam War was good and should have continued. Only a few dozen weirdos in Britain hold opinions like this. Unfortunately for us, they run the Labour Party and will soon run the country. Quote Luke Akehurst @lukeakehurst · Feb 11, 2020 Replying to @caibarhaw@eli_edwards and 4 others It was Nixon who ended the Vietnam war and betrayed the South Vietnamese..."
Er. I'd always thought it was the S Vietnamese Army ditching their weapons and uniforms while the VietCong overran the US Embassy which ended the War. But you live and learn.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
To be fair, you could replace 'Green' with 'Conservative' or 'Labour' and it would reflect conversations which happen on here most days.
• Renationalising our NHS • £70bn Wealth Tax • 500,000 Council Homes • £16 per hour min wage • Universal Basic Income • Rent Controls • Abolishing Tuition Fees • Recognition of Palestine • Free Secondary School Meals • Axe Two-Child Cap
That's why I will Vote 💚
Bit weak on the environment.
500,000 council homes built where exactly?
Got to say it's great to see a manifesto where not a single thought has been given as to how do we achieve this / pay for it...
The £16 ph min wage on top of UBI is err, interesting.
It really is young socialist workers manifesto, not a green party manifesto. Sad.
It does sound like an invitation, on the face of it, for disappointed social democrats to stick with Ming Vase Labour. The cost of the state pension is enough of a bone of contention; imagine the colossal expense of replacing it with what amounts to the pension for *everybody*.
It'll be fascinating to see whether they've tried to cost all this realistically in the manifesto...
They don't really need to cost it meticulously, of course - not even the most ardent Green supporter is expecting them to form a government.
They're hoping to offer potential Green switchers at least one policy that's sufficiently attractive to win their vote. So it's perfectly sensible for them to offer maximalist terms for each, even if doing so makes the manifesto as a whole self-contradictory or impossible to deliver.
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
"Karl Hansen @karl_fh · 1h Luke Akehurst believes the Vietnam War was good and should have continued. Only a few dozen weirdos in Britain hold opinions like this. Unfortunately for us, they run the Labour Party and will soon run the country. Quote Luke Akehurst @lukeakehurst · Feb 11, 2020 Replying to @caibarhaw@eli_edwards and 4 others It was Nixon who ended the Vietnam war and betrayed the South Vietnamese..."
I do hope we do not end up overrun with Palestinian protesters as a consequence of this during the campaign.
It is just disgraceful how we are taken for granted like this. Utterly brazen.
Kevan Jones told me on Facebook he was standing again and happy to do so. I do hope his standing down was not to enable this piece of crap to stand here. I didn't think it was due to his need for an operation. Would feel very let down if it was.
Are you saying that on your doorstep Gaza isn't the most important issue.
God no Wife puts me under strict orders not to mutter as we walk past the Gaza Protesters on Elvet Bridge when we are in Durham.
Jobs and economic growth especially for the North East is my main issue. Having an MP detached from the region using the seat as a stepping stone won't help us.
The choice of Akehurst for North Durham does smack of a touch of hubris from Labour to me. "We're taking the north back, and taking it for granted once more". I mean the Tories are clearly on the way out this election, but my guess is Labour are probably going to get about 42% (Which will translate to an absolute thumping due to a seriously depressed Tory vote) but they'll be losing voteshare each election onward from here.
The problem seems to be Labour sees us as sinners repenting rather than thinking why we as a region (I voted labour with a heavy heart in 2019) and the red wall abandoned them.
Starmer may be cautious and may send out cautious noises but these are the deeds of someone supremely confident the will win and win well. He has figured he can take the hit for these actions and people will still vote for them as the Tories are so useless.
The Green candidate here is Sunny Moon-Schott. May vote for him as the name is quite hoopy.
That bizarre and biased take “oh not those 120 business leaders” must upset you to see, as a ‘lifelong Labour voter’?
Whereas for SKS fans (who are not lifelong Labour voters) like you and Pete they believe any old hype/tripe from Lab.
The Telegraph report is mainly factual but hey Centrists don't let facts get in the way of anything whilst at the same time being full on hypocrites about their own voting records.
My regular reminder that I have yet to meet an "SKS Fan" whether on here or elsewhere. I have also never met a "Sunak Fan" nor a "Davey Fan".
I have met, however, several "Corbyn Fans" but given they deny he led the party into its worst defeat in nearly a century I think they could perhaps better be described as "Corbyn Cultists".
Sunil, Anabobazina, Mexican Pete are SKS fans. None of them voted Lab in 2017/ 2019
I have yet to meet a Corbyn critic who mentions 2017
Probably due to the fact they would love to forget the biggest swing to Lab since WW2
Fake news.
Who did you vote for?
Are you a hypocrite?
I voted Corbyn in 2017. Like many others I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I voted Liberal in 2019, like many others I realised I was wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt in the previous poll.
Check your facts before spreading untruths about others on here.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I vote Green occassionally. This manifesto feels quite different, and err, less green, than those of the past few general elections.
Britain needs a teal party with proper green policies that work within a capitalist market economy. Content wise the Lib Dems are pretty close but that’s not their primary brand.
• Renationalising our NHS • £70bn Wealth Tax • 500,000 Council Homes • £16 per hour min wage • Universal Basic Income • Rent Controls • Abolishing Tuition Fees • Recognition of Palestine • Free Secondary School Meals • Axe Two-Child Cap
That's why I will Vote 💚
Looking forward to NHS brand Ibuprofen.
4 & 5, in combination, would simply end a rather large chunk of jobs in the U.K.
Assuming a £12k UBI, that’s £40k a year for the lowest paid job.
The whole point of a UBI is that you can abolish the minimum wage and all the means-tested benefits, tax credits etc, along with the huge bureaucracy that supports the welfare state.
• Renationalising our NHS • £70bn Wealth Tax • 500,000 Council Homes • £16 per hour min wage • Universal Basic Income • Rent Controls • Abolishing Tuition Fees • Recognition of Palestine • Free Secondary School Meals • Axe Two-Child Cap
That's why I will Vote 💚
Any indication of a fully costed manifesto, otherwise not a serious party. I think there is a great debate to be had about UBI. I'm all in favour of simplifying how we support those in society who cannot work without endless checks and scrutiny. But what does renationalising the NHS mean? Seriously? Are the 500,000 council homes new builds (if so, at what cost and by whom)?
Are you saying the $70bn wealth tax is not enough?
UBI obviously means further tax changes and saving in benefits too
Anyway both main Parties are refusing to say where their austerity cuts will hit so some of us prefer a progressive alternative
£70bn wouldn't build 500,000 council houses, never mind everything else.
I do agree with your point about austerity cuts being equally ill defined, but you still have to say how you will fund your shopping list. And I still don't see what any of that list has to do with the environment.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I vote Green occassionally. This manifesto feels quite different, and err, less green, than those of the past few general elections.
Britain needs a teal party with proper green policies that work within a capitalist market economy. Content wise the Lib Dems are pretty close but that’s not their primary brand.
I suspect it is where the Tories will need to end up!
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
By your logic any level of immigration is fine - ten million people a year - just as long as you build the housing. Quite apart from the economic illogic, you ignore the huge cultural impact
If Britain becomes majority Muslim are you OK with that and everything it means? Homosexuality becoming illegal again? Really?
No you’re not ok with that so you’re just a posturing twat
Nah I'm just looking at what is in front of us. "How many 10m" is scaremongering a la Farage. As is your "majority Muslim" whine.
What I want doesn't matter. We thought we were at the end of history with our fancy schmancy western liberal democracy but the truth is that we will win or lose in the battle of ideas. I would say the vast majority of Muslims in this country accord with "our" values. If anyone (the Pope, Orthodox Jews, Muslims) wants to outlaw homosexuality we will have to argue with them why they shouldn't.
Why is how many 10m scaremongering? We've had 2m in 3 years. Are you assuming this will stop? Why? And the battle of ideas is important. But it's hard to win the battle of ideas if you're continually importing people with a rather different set of ideas.
That bizarre and biased take “oh not those 120 business leaders” must upset you to see, as a ‘lifelong Labour voter’?
Whereas for SKS fans (who are not lifelong Labour voters) like you and Pete they believe any old hype/tripe from Lab.
The Telegraph report is mainly factual but hey Centrists don't let facts get in the way of anything whilst at the same time being full on hypocrites about their own voting records.
My regular reminder that I have yet to meet an "SKS Fan" whether on here or elsewhere. I have also never met a "Sunak Fan" nor a "Davey Fan".
I have met, however, several "Corbyn Fans" but given they deny he led the party into its worst defeat in nearly a century I think they could perhaps better be described as "Corbyn Cultists".
Look, Doug. I like Jeremy Corbyn, I think he's a good guy and voted for him in the leadership elections twice. But I've never claimed that GE19 was anything but a disaster and good Labour MPs lost their seats unnecessarily, I don't think there's any Labour (or lefty more generally) who would say GE19 was great. Using "Corbyn Cultist" feels too pejorative to me, it's just people with a slightly different political view.
I think you miss my point. There’s a big difference between being a “fan” and “liking”. You’re clearly in the latter camp for big JC. However, thediff between Corbyn and most other leaders is that he has a hardcore of supporters who think he’s the political messiah. BJO is looking for the equivalent for SKS as he is for JC. They don’t exist - not on here anyways
Isn't that just because fundamentally Starmer is 'just a politician'? If Starmer fell under the Labour battlebus and Reeves or Streeting took over would anything be any different? Corbyn does attract a more iconic status because he's unusual and in some ways irreplaceable - I'm sure that there will be future stars of the left, but it's not going to be Richard Burgon is it. You see it on the right wing of politics too, a longing for the next Thatcher and the people who want to vote for whatever vehicle Farage is in. My problem with 'Cultist' is it assumes that the people who disagree with you are doing so because they haven't thought about things well enough and they just blindly follow whatever the Leader says. I don't know anyone who has abdicated their faculties like that.
That bizarre and biased take “oh not those 120 business leaders” must upset you to see, as a ‘lifelong Labour voter’?
Whereas for SKS fans (who are not lifelong Labour voters) like you and Pete they believe any old hype/tripe from Lab.
The Telegraph report is mainly factual but hey Centrists don't let facts get in the way of anything whilst at the same time being full on hypocrites about their own voting records.
My regular reminder that I have yet to meet an "SKS Fan" whether on here or elsewhere. I have also never met a "Sunak Fan" nor a "Davey Fan".
I have met, however, several "Corbyn Fans" but given they deny he led the party into its worst defeat in nearly a century I think they could perhaps better be described as "Corbyn Cultists".
Sunil, Anabobazina, Mexican Pete are SKS fans. None of them voted Lab in 2017/ 2019
I have yet to meet a Corbyn critic who mentions 2017
Probably due to the fact they would love to forget the biggest swing to Lab since WW2
Fake news.
Who did you vote for?
Are you a hypocrite?
I voted Corbyn in 2017. Like many others I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I voted Liberal in 2019, like many others I realised I was wrong to give him the benefit of the doubt in the previous poll.
Check your facts before spreading untruths about others on here.
Not lifelong Lab then?
Despite you expecting that of others?
The guy is a prick. Casts aspertions and makes snide insinuations about others then takes the hump when he thinks others do the same.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
By your logic any level of immigration is fine - ten million people a year - just as long as you build the housing. Quite apart from the economic illogic, you ignore the huge cultural impact
If Britain becomes majority Muslim are you OK with that and everything it means? Homosexuality becoming illegal again? Really?
No you’re not ok with that so you’re just a posturing twat
Nah I'm just looking at what is in front of us. "How many 10m" is scaremongering a la Farage. As is your "majority Muslim" whine.
What I want doesn't matter. We thought we were at the end of history with our fancy schmancy western liberal democracy but the truth is that we will win or lose in the battle of ideas. I would say the vast majority of Muslims in this country accord with "our" values. If anyone (the Pope, Orthodox Jews, Muslims) wants to outlaw homosexuality we will have to argue with them why they shouldn't.
You don't need to outlaw something for it to become less socially acceptable due to changing cultural norms.
Homosexuality was entirely legal in 1994, but the way LGBTQ people are treated in 2024 is entirely different to how it was 30 years ago.
And it may be very different again in 30 years if we a) import a lot of people who don't share our values and b) don't integrate, or reach such a critical mass where they have no need to integrate.
How do we feel about the protests outside Parkfield Community School in Birmingham becoming the norm rather than the exception?
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
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No you’re not ok with that so you’re just a posturing twat
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
Adopt what policies you wish. Not my business - beyond the extent of telling you I think they're daft.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I vote Green occassionally. This manifesto feels quite different, and err, less green, than those of the past few general elections.
Britain needs a teal party with proper green policies that work within a capitalist market economy. Content wise the Lib Dems are pretty close but that’s not their primary brand.
Yes it does. Not the degrowth loons you have currently in the Green sphere.
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
"Karl Hansen @karl_fh · 1h Luke Akehurst believes the Vietnam War was good and should have continued. Only a few dozen weirdos in Britain hold opinions like this. Unfortunately for us, they run the Labour Party and will soon run the country. Quote Luke Akehurst @lukeakehurst · Feb 11, 2020 Replying to @caibarhaw@eli_edwards and 4 others It was Nixon who ended the Vietnam war and betrayed the South Vietnamese..."
I do hope we do not end up overrun with Palestinian protesters as a consequence of this during the campaign.
It is just disgraceful how we are taken for granted like this. Utterly brazen.
Kevan Jones told me on Facebook he was standing again and happy to do so. I do hope his standing down was not to enable this piece of crap to stand here. I didn't think it was due to his need for an operation. Would feel very let down if it was.
Are you saying that on your doorstep Gaza isn't the most important issue.
God no Wife puts me under strict orders not to mutter as we walk past the Gaza Protesters on Elvet Bridge when we are in Durham.
Jobs and economic growth especially for the North East is my main issue. Having an MP detached from the region using the seat as a stepping stone won't help us.
The choice of Akehurst for North Durham does smack of a touch of hubris from Labour to me. "We're taking the north back, and taking it for granted once more". I mean the Tories are clearly on the way out this election, but my guess is Labour are probably going to get about 42% (Which will translate to an absolute thumping due to a seriously depressed Tory vote) but they'll be losing voteshare each election onward from here.
The problem seems to be Labour sees us as sinners repenting rather than thinking why we as a region (I voted labour with a heavy heart in 2019) and the red wall abandoned them.
Starmer may be cautious and may send out cautious noises but these are the deeds of someone supremely confident the will win and win well. He has figured he can take the hit for these actions and people will still vote for them as the Tories are so useless.
The Green candidate here is Sunny Moon-Schott. May vote for him as the name is quite hoopy.
Pah, vote as your told and tug your forelock harder.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Because it doesn't exist. The problem is a lack of construction. We need construction even if population level is stable due to ageing.
The problem is that the population is increasing faster than housebuilding completions, leading to increased scarcity of housing, leading to price rises and overcrowding.
Yes, everything starts with building millions more houses, on that we are in complete agreement. But the housebuilding needs to come before the population increase, otherwise prices keep going up and the NIMBYs keep winning.
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.
"Karl Hansen @karl_fh · 1h Luke Akehurst believes the Vietnam War was good and should have continued. Only a few dozen weirdos in Britain hold opinions like this. Unfortunately for us, they run the Labour Party and will soon run the country. Quote Luke Akehurst @lukeakehurst · Feb 11, 2020 Replying to @caibarhaw@eli_edwards and 4 others It was Nixon who ended the Vietnam war and betrayed the South Vietnamese..."
I do hope we do not end up overrun with Palestinian protesters as a consequence of this during the campaign.
It is just disgraceful how we are taken for granted like this. Utterly brazen.
Kevan Jones told me on Facebook he was standing again and happy to do so. I do hope his standing down was not to enable this piece of crap to stand here. I didn't think it was due to his need for an operation. Would feel very let down if it was.
Are you saying that on your doorstep Gaza isn't the most important issue.
God no Wife puts me under strict orders not to mutter as we walk past the Gaza Protesters on Elvet Bridge when we are in Durham.
Jobs and economic growth especially for the North East is my main issue. Having an MP detached from the region using the seat as a stepping stone won't help us.
The choice of Akehurst for North Durham does smack of a touch of hubris from Labour to me. "We're taking the north back, and taking it for granted once more". I mean the Tories are clearly on the way out this election, but my guess is Labour are probably going to get about 42% (Which will translate to an absolute thumping due to a seriously depressed Tory vote) but they'll be losing voteshare each election onward from here.
The problem seems to be Labour sees us as sinners repenting rather than thinking why we as a region (I voted labour with a heavy heart in 2019) and the red wall abandoned them.
Starmer may be cautious and may send out cautious noises but these are the deeds of someone supremely confident the will win and win well. He has figured he can take the hit for these actions and people will still vote for them as the Tories are so useless.
The Green candidate here is Sunny Moon-Schott. May vote for him as the name is quite hoopy.
Pah, vote as your told and tug your forelock harder.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
By your logic any level of immigration is fine - ten million people a year - just as long as you build the housing. Quite apart from the economic illogic, you ignore the huge cultural impact
If Britain becomes majority Muslim are you OK with that and everything it means? Homosexuality becoming illegal again? Really?
No you’re not ok with that so you’re just a posturing twat
Nah I'm just looking at what is in front of us. "How many 10m" is scaremongering a la Farage. As is your "majority Muslim" whine.
What I want doesn't matter. We thought we were at the end of history with our fancy schmancy western liberal democracy but the truth is that we will win or lose in the battle of ideas. I would say the vast majority of Muslims in this country accord with "our" values. If anyone (the Pope, Orthodox Jews, Muslims) wants to outlaw homosexuality we will have to argue with them why they shouldn't.
This is provably untrue
“Over Half of British Muslims Think Homosexuality Should Be Illegal, Poll Finds”
This was in 2016. Since then we have imported more Muslims from more conservative backgrounds and polls show younger Muslims are MORE socially conservative than their elders. So the latest state of play could be worse. We are making a country that, therefore, will be much more hostile to gays and Jews, and considerably less pleasant for women
So you’re not just a twat, you’re a wilfully blind and stupid twat. You shouldn’t even have a vote, you’re so dumb
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I vote Green occassionally. This manifesto feels quite different, and err, less green, than those of the past few general elections.
Britain needs a teal party with proper green policies that work within a capitalist market economy. Content wise the Lib Dems are pretty close but that’s not their primary brand.
Believe it or not that was one of the abandoned paras in the Solarpunk article. In it I pointed out that Greens' greatest utility is as a free ideas generator, which Lab and Cons could co-opt.
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Richard Madeley is among our top political interviewers, remarkably enough.
Everyone forgets that he was a serious journalist for two decades, before he did morning TV with his missus. Emma Barnett is another who was a proper hack for a while.
It can be seriously disarming to an unprepared politician, when he thinks he’s going for a soft-soap chat and all he thinks he needs to remember is the price of bread and milk.
Yeah. Granada Reports was a superb watch back in the day. Madeley skewering shifty Council leaders, Judy Finnegan with the three legged dog and cancer patients emoting. Topped off with Tony Wilson reviewing the latest Bauhaus exhibition, interviewing bemused Rugby League coaches with questions referencing Bakunin, then bringing on Durutti Column live.
I see Reform have a wizard wheeze, an immigrant employers tax. I can’t see how their policy isn’t by definition inflationary, whether it works or not. The tax cost will be passed on to consumers through an increase in the cost of a company’s goods or services. Tice reckons that wages are unnaturally depressed, so if it works the impact will be higher wage demands which will feed back into goods or services costs. Reform’s idea would wreak havoc on the economy and force interest rates higher. Tice reckons it’s just basic A level economics, the question is did he get an E in it?
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Shouldn't you be canvassing or leafletting or something? Isn't there are market somewhere you could go round? What's your agent thinking, letting you idle your time away on pb?
Be fair to him, he's probably sitting in the front seat of his agent's car creeping along behind a tractor and spray gear en route to his next task to work through the houses of Foggieloan (pop: 987).
I have various things that take my time: 1) Food industry consultant with a client where I am at the heart of a big project which goes live in week 25. 2) YouTuber with commitments to sponsors 3) Retail business owner with various tasks 4) Wife, kids, elderly mother
Sunak said we could all have our summer holidays - bloody liar. Ours in Scotland starts the weekend before the election - a lot of people will go away.
So campaigning is evenings & weekends until the immediate build up to polling day. Have a load of social media films ready to roll and a campaign launch to do this weekend. But during the week I'm doing what I was already doing. At least I am at my desk this week - have got multiple trips away in the coming weeks...
if you have all that on your plate, what the hell do you want to be an MP for ?
The Conservative Party did me a great favour, by rejecting me from their candidates' list in 2002.
I was asked but didn't even apply.
Some of that was uncertainty but having seen it up close with a couple of fridge it's a shit life.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
By your logic any level of immigration is fine - ten million people a year - just as long as you build the housing. Quite apart from the economic illogic, you ignore the huge cultural impact
If Britain becomes majority Muslim are you OK with that and everything it means? Homosexuality becoming illegal again? Really?
No you’re not ok with that so you’re just a posturing twat
To be fair, that is also the position of The Economist.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I vote Green occassionally. This manifesto feels quite different, and err, less green, than those of the past few general elections.
Britain needs a teal party with proper green policies that work within a capitalist market economy. Content wise the Lib Dems are pretty close but that’s not their primary brand.
Believe it or not that was one of the abandoned paras in the Solarpunk article. In it I pointed out that Greens' greatest utility is as a free ideas generator, which Lab and Cons could co-opt.
But there's no new ideas in that manifesto, Israel hating and Maoism are old hat. Nor is any of it predicated on What happens when renewables win the day. It's a pure reverse takeover of the brand.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Because young people know that correlation != causation.
From 2011 to 2021, the number of households renting increased by 28%. That's far faster than population growth (6.3%) or households growth (6.1%).
The fact is immigrants are far more efficient users of the housing stock than everyone else. We have a growing proportion of outright owners (12.5%) living in half empty houses, and 1 in 20 of us are now landlords. New Feudalism.
Your classic Tory mortgage owning class has declined by 5.1% - and then they got screwed by interest rates.
Yes it’s true that immigrants live more densely than the native population, but that doesn’t make all of the overcrowded HMOs and houses a good thing.
Those who wish to advocate for increasing the population, need to also advocate for building somewhere for them to live.
Issues of crap landlords and unsanitary conditions go away if there’s a surplus of housing availability.
On this board the vast majority of those who recognise the need to immigration also recognise the need for not just housing but also the infrastructure and planning to go with it.
If we had actually built the homes the Tories have promised since 2010 things would be a lot better, but as always they over promise, over charge and under deliver.
The total number of homes has increased faster than the population/number of households.
(This is England and Wales btw - the difference is even starker in Scotland, with our flatlining population and soaring housing costs)
Converting a comfortable 3 bedroom house into 3 flats increases the number of homes but isn't particularly great for people wanting to start a family.
How come the number of spare bedrooms has increased then?
Wealthy older folk. All the increase has come from people with at least two spare bedrooms. Doesn't help anyone.
"Between 2011 and 2021, the number of spare bedrooms in people's homes in England and Wales surged from 24.2m to 26m, census data shows. The number of households living in properties with at least two spare bedrooms soared by 825,000"
A lot of that is due to divorce and separation. Each parent needs a spare room for the kids
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issue
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
You are a fucking dolt.
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
By your logic any level of immigration is fine - ten million people a year - just as long as you build the housing. Quite apart from the economic illogic, you ignore the huge cultural impact
If Britain becomes majority Muslim are you OK with that and everything it means? Homosexuality becoming illegal again? Really?
No you’re not ok with that so you’re just a posturing twat
Nah I'm just looking at what is in front of us. "How many 10m" is scaremongering a la Farage. As is your "majority Muslim" whine.
What I want doesn't matter. We thought we were at the end of history with our fancy schmancy western liberal democracy but the truth is that we will win or lose in the battle of ideas. I would say the vast majority of Muslims in this country accord with "our" values. If anyone (the Pope, Orthodox Jews, Muslims) wants to outlaw homosexuality we will have to argue with them why they shouldn't.
Why is how many 10m scaremongering? We've had 2m in 3 years. Are you assuming this will stop? Why? And the battle of ideas is important. But it's hard to win the battle of ideas if you're continually importing people with a rather different set of ideas.
It's certainly expected to fall- short term arrivals and departures (e.g. students) have still got some transient effects from the plague. As for the western liberal democracy thing, we used to have lots of people coming from places that were Christian heritage, and fiercely keen on democracy. We don't get so many of them now. For some reason.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
Just trying to understand your position: you'd vote Green but also applauded the chopping down of the Sycamore Gap tree?
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Because it doesn't exist. The problem is a lack of construction. We need construction even if population level is stable due to ageing.
The problem is that the population is increasing faster than housebuilding completions, leading to increased scarcity of housing, leading to price rises and overcrowding.
Yes, everything starts with building millions more houses, on that we are in complete agreement. But the housebuilding needs to come before the population increase, otherwise prices keep going up and the NIMBYs keep winning.
But this just isn't true, however much you wish to ignore it:
Number of dwellings +8.2% Population +6.3% Households +6.1%
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Richard Madeley is among our top political interviewers, remarkably enough.
Everyone forgets that he was a serious journalist for two decades, before he did morning TV with his missus. Emma Barnett is another who was a proper hack for a while.
It can be seriously disarming to an unprepared politician, when he thinks he’s going for a soft-soap chat and all he thinks he needs to remember is the price of bread and milk.
I share an agent with Richard madeley. There’s a weird overlap between flint knappers and tv presenters. My agent reports he is extremely intelligent - predicted Brexit and Trump
That bizarre and biased take “oh not those 120 business leaders” must upset you to see, as a ‘lifelong Labour voter’?
Whereas for SKS fans (who are not lifelong Labour voters) like you and Pete they believe any old hype/tripe from Lab.
The Telegraph report is mainly factual but hey Centrists don't let facts get in the way of anything whilst at the same time being full on hypocrites about their own voting records.
My regular reminder that I have yet to meet an "SKS Fan" whether on here or elsewhere. I have also never met a "Sunak Fan" nor a "Davey Fan".
I have met, however, several "Corbyn Fans" but given they deny he led the party into its worst defeat in nearly a century I think they could perhaps better be described as "Corbyn Cultists".
Look, Doug. I like Jeremy Corbyn, I think he's a good guy and voted for him in the leadership elections twice. But I've never claimed that GE19 was anything but a disaster and good Labour MPs lost their seats unnecessarily, I don't think there's any Labour (or lefty more generally) who would say GE19 was great. Using "Corbyn Cultist" feels too pejorative to me, it's just people with a slightly different political view.
I think you miss my point. There’s a big difference between being a “fan” and “liking”. You’re clearly in the latter camp for big JC. However, thediff between Corbyn and most other leaders is that he has a hardcore of supporters who think he’s the political messiah. BJO is looking for the equivalent for SKS as he is for JC. They don’t exist - not on here anyways
Isn't that just because fundamentally Starmer is 'just a politician'? If Starmer fell under the Labour battlebus and Reeves or Streeting took over would anything be any different? Corbyn does attract a more iconic status because he's unusual and in some ways irreplaceable - I'm sure that there will be future stars of the left, but it's not going to be Richard Burgon is it. You see it on the right wing of politics too, a longing for the next Thatcher and the people who want to vote for whatever vehicle Farage is in. My problem with 'Cultist' is it assumes that the people who disagree with you are doing so because they haven't thought about things well enough and they just blindly follow whatever the Leader says. I don't know anyone who has abdicated their faculties like that.
I have plenty of criticisms of Corbyn mainly on not being strong enough on party discipline and allowing people like Margaret Hodge to shout lies in his face.
Should have forced Lab Europhiles to vote for the Clarke version of Brexit lite too.
Doug is exactly as you describe but at least he hasn't reached the "Jezzbollah" heights of the LD PPC Candidate on here or the stupidity of "ToryBigJohnOwls" of Sunil everytime I write a pro Green post
Michael Crick seems to think Eddie Izzard is in with a shot at Brighton Kemptown if interested.
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
• Renationalising our NHS • £70bn Wealth Tax • 500,000 Council Homes • £16 per hour min wage • Universal Basic Income • Rent Controls • Abolishing Tuition Fees • Recognition of Palestine • Free Secondary School Meals • Axe Two-Child Cap
That's why I will Vote 💚
I'd agree with the last, but that is only one out of ten.
I wouldn't agree with much of it either - but I'm not really the market for it. I'd say it's healthy, though, that these things are at least raised. I'd say none of them are the right solutions, but many of them at least attempt a solution where other parties aren't really bothering. A democracy should make space for these arguments. Kind of odd that it's the green party doing it, though.
500k council homes could be done, too, and FSM even at secondary level isn't impossible.
But you'd need serious economic plans to deliver costly policies like that, rather than awarding yourself an imaginary pot of money. (Though tbf successive governments have done a bit of that, too, which is why affording any additional spending has become so difficult.)
Starting rate would be 1% for wealth in excess of £10m This would rise to 2% above £1bn It would cover wealth in all forms, valued at current market value and assessed on all UK resident taxpayers by an extension to the self-assessment tax return A wealth tax would raise an estimated £16bn per year to address inequality and tackle the climate crisis by funding investment in renewable energy and home insulation to bring down household energy bills for good"
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So its £70bn over a parliament, which isn't going to fund much of the manifesto. And probably a tad over optimistic on the revenue - the biggest review on wealth taxes here estimated a similar amount of revenue from 1% over £2m assets.
The wealth tax is actually a good idea, as are building new council homes and free school meals. UBI is worthy of investigation. But this isn't a coherent plan but a fantasy wish list.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
Just trying to understand your position: you'd vote Green but also applauded the chopping down of the Sycamore Gap tree?
I just love all the stories about how against all odds RHS boffins in secret locations have propagated the tree so it will Live Again. It's a sycamore FFS, the skill lies in stopping the buggers seeding themselves everywhere
Michael Crick seems to think Eddie Izzard is in with a shot at Brighton Kemptown if interested.
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
Eddie Izzard's resilience is impressive but he doesn't seem much liked by members or voters.
Never been sure why. Unless behind the scenes he's quite full of himself and thinks he should be elected just because he's Eddie Izzard.
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Richard Madeley is among our top political interviewers, remarkably enough.
Everyone forgets that he was a serious journalist for two decades, before he did morning TV with his missus. Emma Barnett is another who was a proper hack for a while.
It can be seriously disarming to an unprepared politician, when he thinks he’s going for a soft-soap chat and all he thinks he needs to remember is the price of bread and milk.
Yeah. Granada Reports was a superb watch back in the day. Madeley skewering shifty Council leaders, Judy Finnegan with the three legged dog and cancer patients emoting. Topped off with Tony Wilson reviewing the latest Bauhaus exhibition, interviewing bemused Rugby League coaches with questions referencing Bakunin, then bringing on Durutti Column live.
Never heard a two litre bottle of vodka called “the three legged dog” before but every day is a learning day.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Because young people know that correlation != causation.
From 2011 to 2021, the number of households renting increased by 28%. That's far faster than population growth (6.3%) or households growth (6.1%).
The fact is immigrants are far more efficient users of the housing stock than everyone else. We have a growing proportion of outright owners (12.5%) living in half empty houses, and 1 in 20 of us are now landlords. New Feudalism.
Your classic Tory mortgage owning class has declined by 5.1% - and then they got screwed by interest rates.
Yes it’s true that immigrants live more densely than the native population, but that doesn’t make all of the overcrowded HMOs and houses a good thing.
Those who wish to advocate for increasing the population, need to also advocate for building somewhere for them to live.
Issues of crap landlords and unsanitary conditions go away if there’s a surplus of housing availability.
On this board the vast majority of those who recognise the need to immigration also recognise the need for not just housing but also the infrastructure and planning to go with it.
If we had actually built the homes the Tories have promised since 2010 things would be a lot better, but as always they over promise, over charge and under deliver.
The total number of homes has increased faster than the population/number of households.
(This is England and Wales btw - the difference is even starker in Scotland, with our flatlining population and soaring housing costs)
Converting a comfortable 3 bedroom house into 3 flats increases the number of homes but isn't particularly great for people wanting to start a family.
How come the number of spare bedrooms has increased then?
Wealthy older folk. All the increase has come from people with at least two spare bedrooms. Doesn't help anyone.
"Between 2011 and 2021, the number of spare bedrooms in people's homes in England and Wales surged from 24.2m to 26m, census data shows. The number of households living in properties with at least two spare bedrooms soared by 825,000"
A lot of that is due to divorce and separation. Each parent needs a spare room for the kids
So the kids can have two rooms set aside for them to see their parents for a couple of weeks a year, but have to share a bedroom with their own kids for the other 50 weeks? Can you see why the kids may not be ecstatic about this?
Michael Crick seems to think Eddie Izzard is in with a shot at Brighton Kemptown if interested.
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
Crick isn't obvious casting as Hamlet, but you've got to credit him for the effort.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
Just trying to understand your position: you'd vote Green but also applauded the chopping down of the Sycamore Gap tree?
I just love all the stories about how against all odds RHS boffins in secret locations have propagated the tree so it will Live Again. It's a sycamore FFS, the skill lies in stopping the buggers seeding themselves everywhere
Plus the Chelsea Flower Show features huge trees being brought in and out - surely a fairly mature one could be placed on site within 24 hours?
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Shouldn't you be canvassing or leafletting or something? Isn't there are market somewhere you could go round? What's your agent thinking, letting you idle your time away on pb?
Be fair to him, he's probably sitting in the front seat of his agent's car creeping along behind a tractor and spray gear en route to his next task to work through the houses of Foggieloan (pop: 987).
I have various things that take my time: 1) Food industry consultant with a client where I am at the heart of a big project which goes live in week 25. 2) YouTuber with commitments to sponsors 3) Retail business owner with various tasks 4) Wife, kids, elderly mother
Sunak said we could all have our summer holidays - bloody liar. Ours in Scotland starts the weekend before the election - a lot of people will go away.
So campaigning is evenings & weekends until the immediate build up to polling day. Have a load of social media films ready to roll and a campaign launch to do this weekend. But during the week I'm doing what I was already doing. At least I am at my desk this week - have got multiple trips away in the coming weeks...
if you have all that on your plate, what the hell do you want to be an MP for ?
The Conservative Party did me a great favour, by rejecting me from their candidates' list in 2002.
I was asked but didn't even apply.
Some of that was uncertainty but having seen it up close with a couple of fridge it's a shit life.
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Richard Madeley is among our top political interviewers, remarkably enough.
Everyone forgets that he was a serious journalist for two decades, before he did morning TV with his missus. Emma Barnett is another who was a proper hack for a while.
It can be seriously disarming to an unprepared politician, when he thinks he’s going for a soft-soap chat and all he thinks he needs to remember is the price of bread and milk.
I share an agent with Richard madeley. There’s a weird overlap between flint knappers and tv presenters. My agent reports he is extremely intelligent - predicted Brexit and Trump
He also looks exactly the same as he did in the early 90s when I used to watch This Morning during school holidays. He must have a painting in the attic.
• Renationalising our NHS • £70bn Wealth Tax • 500,000 Council Homes • £16 per hour min wage • Universal Basic Income • Rent Controls • Abolishing Tuition Fees • Recognition of Palestine • Free Secondary School Meals • Axe Two-Child Cap
That's why I will Vote 💚
Any indication of a fully costed manifesto, otherwise not a serious party. I think there is a great debate to be had about UBI. I'm all in favour of simplifying how we support those in society who cannot work without endless checks and scrutiny. But what does renationalising the NHS mean? Seriously? Are the 500,000 council homes new builds (if so, at what cost and by whom)?
Are you saying the $70bn wealth tax is not enough?
UBI obviously means further tax changes and saving in benefits too
Anyway both main Parties are refusing to say where their austerity cuts will hit so some of us prefer a progressive alternative
£70bn wouldn't build 500,000 council houses, never mind everything else.
I do agree with your point about austerity cuts being equally ill defined, but you still have to say how you will fund your shopping list. And I still don't see what any of that list has to do with the environment.
Might not be perfect but its the only game in town for progressives as all other Parties are offering is a new version of Tory Austerity.
Only looking like 2 Constituencies will vote for that though
And when you say what about the environment This is still their Policy I believe despite being nearly 4 years old
Michael Crick seems to think Eddie Izzard is in with a shot at Brighton Kemptown if interested.
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
Eddie Izzard's resilience is impressive but he doesn't seem much liked by members or voters.
Never been sure why. Unless behind the scenes he's quite full of himself and thinks he should be elected just because he's Eddie Izzard.
Met Izzard on Northumberland Street a few months ago, quite by chance. Gave me a few minutes of time. Seemed nice enough.
@JulianGallie What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
Love the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.
'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).
Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.
The obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?
More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloud
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
It’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.
Because it doesn't exist. The problem is a lack of construction. We need construction even if population level is stable due to ageing.
The problem is that the population is increasing faster than housebuilding completions, leading to increased scarcity of housing, leading to price rises and overcrowding.
Yes, everything starts with building millions more houses, on that we are in complete agreement. But the housebuilding needs to come before the population increase, otherwise prices keep going up and the NIMBYs keep winning.
But this just isn't true, however much you wish to ignore it:
Number of dwellings +8.2% Population +6.3% Households +6.1%
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
Just trying to understand your position: you'd vote Green but also applauded the chopping down of the Sycamore Gap tree?
I just love all the stories about how against all odds RHS boffins in secret locations have propagated the tree so it will Live Again. It's a sycamore FFS, the skill lies in stopping the buggers seeding themselves everywhere
It will also sprout like mad from the stump, like all species that coppice. Usually this increases the longevity of the tree.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
Just trying to understand your position: you'd vote Green but also applauded the chopping down of the Sycamore Gap tree?
I just love all the stories about how against all odds RHS boffins in secret locations have propagated the tree so it will Live Again. It's a sycamore FFS, the skill lies in stopping the buggers seeding themselves everywhere
Plus the Chelsea Flower Show features huge trees being brought in and out - surely a fairly mature one could be placed on site within 24 hours?
He rides a water slide exactly the same way he rides a bike, even down to the facial expression
Vote for consistency. Vote for knowing what you'll get. Vote for someone who knows how to go downhill fast. Vote LD 👍
Richard Madeley asked whether Davey falling in the water was good for the party. Add was told that he and the media are talking out our policy on sewage in our lakes and rivers.
Would they have done so without the stunts?
Richard Madeley is among our top political interviewers, remarkably enough.
Everyone forgets that he was a serious journalist for two decades, before he did morning TV with his missus. Emma Barnett is another who was a proper hack for a while.
It can be seriously disarming to an unprepared politician, when he thinks he’s going for a soft-soap chat and all he thinks he needs to remember is the price of bread and milk.
I share an agent with Richard madeley. There’s a weird overlap between flint knappers and tv presenters. My agent reports he is extremely intelligent - predicted Brexit and Trump
He also looks exactly the same as he did in the early 90s when I used to watch This Morning during school holidays. He must have a painting in the attic.
Devouring adrenochrome from his Mrs because she looks 112.
In this discussion people who wouldn't Green with a gun to their head tell the Greens to adopt a different set of policies that they also wouldn't vote for.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
I've enjoyed all the concern about Abbott too - Starmer is 20 points ahead largely because he's ruthless.
Michael Crick seems to think Eddie Izzard is in with a shot at Brighton Kemptown if interested.
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
To be a carpetbagger. Or not to be a carpetbagger. That, is the question.
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Check your facts before spreading untruths about others on here.
It'll be fascinating to see whether they've tried to cost all this realistically in the manifesto...
I wonder, like you, whether she could stage a scintillating comeback, perhaps capturing Truss-curious Lifelong Labour Voters like you in the process?
All eyes on North Durham.
Why is Ed Milliband a Doncaster MP? He doesn't live here and I've never seen him. He should be representing a North London constituency.
Labour might in theory represent the values of much of the community but failed it in just about every other way.
Levelling up really was a good sales pitch and it is a shame it fell by the wayside.
Get to fuck, the lot of you.
Jobs and economic growth especially for the North East is my main issue. Having an MP detached from the region using the seat as a stepping stone won't help us.
Ending habitat loss?
Rewilding?
Animal rights?
Oh, sorry, of course not. This is the Green Party. For a moment I was mixing them up with environmentalists.
To me this shows that really, we don't mind immigration. Or we would do something about it (cf Brexit, where we wanted to Brexit after all the faffing and finally did so).
We of course don't like being out of control, and hence the emphasis on the boats, but it turns out that you, I, and all the others don't mind immigration.
Think of a cashless car park punishing the elderly for not having a smartphone. That will make you smile.
Or Liz Truss.
I'd say it's healthy, though, that these things are at least raised. I'd say none of them are the right solutions, but many of them at least attempt a solution where other parties aren't really bothering. A democracy should make space for these arguments. Kind of odd that it's the green party doing it, though.
If Britain becomes majority Muslim are you OK with that and everything it means? Homosexuality becoming illegal again? Really?
No you’re not ok with that so you’re just a posturing twat
I mean the Tories are clearly on the way out this election, but my guess is Labour are probably going to get about 42% (Which will translate to an absolute thumping due to a seriously depressed Tory vote) but they'll be losing voteshare each election onward from here.
The problem we had was Labour took us for granted as we always voted for them in droves, the Tories did nothing for us as they had little chance of getting in round here. That all changed in 2019 but nothing has really improved things round here.
I think, at least, Kevan Jones had a feel for the area and its values. I do not think a parachuted NEC member who lives in the South will have any empathy or feeling for the area.
Labour lost Durham as a local council, the coalition have not done a great job. Their focus is Seaham, Durham City and Bishop Auckland, just like Labour. Labour will probably take the council back but it is just more decline I'm afraid.
It can be seriously disarming to an unprepared politician, when he thinks he’s going for a soft-soap chat and all he thinks he needs to remember is the price of bread and milk.
What I want doesn't matter. We thought we were at the end of history with our fancy schmancy western liberal democracy but the truth is that we will win or lose in the battle of ideas. I would say the vast majority of Muslims in this country accord with "our" values. If anyone (the Pope, Orthodox Jews, Muslims) wants to outlaw homosexuality we will have to argue with them why they shouldn't.
Due to our political system - where Con stack up the votes of people who want to avoid a Lb government, and vice versa, it takes an absolute age for a new idea to permeate the body politic, if at all. I'd say immigration is just as big an issue in the UK as it is in the rest of Europe - it would be odd if we were an exception. But our democracy (like most) is imperfect, and it takes a long time for an idea held by the electorate to be picked up by the political classes.
Despite you expecting that of others?
I'd always thought it was the S Vietnamese Army ditching their weapons and uniforms while the VietCong overran the US Embassy which ended the War.
But you live and learn.
They're hoping to offer potential Green switchers at least one policy that's sufficiently attractive to win their vote. So it's perfectly sensible for them to offer maximalist terms for each, even if doing so makes the manifesto as a whole self-contradictory or impossible to deliver.
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/05/12/solarpunk/
(You don't get stuff this good from the Speccie, I'll tell you that
Starmer may be cautious and may send out cautious noises but these are the deeds of someone supremely confident the will win and win well. He has figured he can take the hit for these actions and people will still vote for them as the Tories are so useless.
The Green candidate here is Sunny Moon-Schott. May vote for him as the name is quite hoopy.
They decided not to.
Strong on hopes and dreams.
I do agree with your point about austerity cuts being equally ill defined, but you still have to say how you will fund your shopping list. And I still don't see what any of that list has to do with the environment.
And the battle of ideas is important. But it's hard to win the battle of ideas if you're continually importing people with a rather different set of ideas.
He really is rather think skinned
Homosexuality was entirely legal in 1994, but the way LGBTQ people are treated in 2024 is entirely different to how it was 30 years ago.
And it may be very different again in 30 years if we a) import a lot of people who don't share our values and b) don't integrate, or reach such a critical mass where they have no need to integrate.
How do we feel about the protests outside Parkfield Community School in Birmingham becoming the norm rather than the exception?
Not my business - beyond the extent of telling you I think they're daft.
Yes, everything starts with building millions more houses, on that we are in complete agreement. But the housebuilding needs to come before the population increase, otherwise prices keep going up and the NIMBYs keep winning.
“Over Half of British Muslims Think Homosexuality Should Be Illegal, Poll Finds”
https://time.com/4288592/british-muslims-survey-homosexuality/
This was in 2016. Since then we have imported more Muslims from more conservative backgrounds and polls show younger Muslims are MORE socially conservative than their elders. So the latest state of play could be worse. We are making a country that, therefore, will be much more hostile to gays and Jews, and considerably less pleasant for women
So you’re not just a twat, you’re a wilfully blind and stupid twat. You shouldn’t even have a vote, you’re so dumb
Madeley skewering shifty Council leaders, Judy Finnegan with the three legged dog and cancer patients emoting.
Topped off with Tony Wilson reviewing the latest Bauhaus exhibition, interviewing bemused Rugby League coaches with questions referencing Bakunin, then bringing on Durutti Column live.
https://x.com/skynews/status/1796137233176580388?s=61
Some of that was uncertainty but having seen it up close with a couple of fridge it's a shit life.
https://x.com/Number10cat/status/1796149684156629210
I think their solution was English lessons.
Number of dwellings +8.2%
Population +6.3%
Households +6.1%
Outright owners +12.5%
Mortgage -5.1%
Renting + 28.2%
Should have forced Lab Europhiles to vote for the Clarke version of Brexit lite too.
Doug is exactly as you describe but at least he hasn't reached the "Jezzbollah" heights of the LD PPC Candidate on here or the stupidity of "ToryBigJohnOwls" of Sunil everytime I write a pro Green post
Currently doing a one man version of Hamlet which is, apparently, quite poor. Run finishes end of June. Even the Graun theatre review was quite uncomplimentary.
But you'd need serious economic plans to deliver costly policies like that, rather than awarding yourself an imaginary pot of money.
(Though tbf successive governments have done a bit of that, too, which is why affording any additional spending has become so difficult.)
"Green Party proposed wealth tax:
Starting rate would be 1% for wealth in excess of £10m
This would rise to 2% above £1bn
It would cover wealth in all forms, valued at current market value and assessed on all UK resident taxpayers by an extension to the self-assessment tax return
A wealth tax would raise an estimated £16bn per year to address inequality and tackle the climate crisis by funding investment in renewable energy and home insulation to bring down household energy bills for good"
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So its £70bn over a parliament, which isn't going to fund much of the manifesto. And probably a tad over optimistic on the revenue - the biggest review on wealth taxes here estimated a similar amount of revenue from 1% over £2m assets.
The wealth tax is actually a good idea, as are building new council homes and free school meals. UBI is worthy of investigation. But this isn't a coherent plan but a fantasy wish list.
https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/05/12/solarpunk/
pitch: Ed Davey's tragic death during a particularly wacky campaign stunt propels the Lib Dems to a massive sympathy-driven majority
Never been sure why. Unless behind the scenes he's quite full of himself and thinks he should be elected just because he's Eddie Izzard.
Although some politicians do hide in them.
Only looking like 2 Constituencies will vote for that though
And when you say what about the environment This is still their Policy I believe despite being nearly 4 years old
https://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/Communications/10_Point_Climate_Plan.pdf
Gave me a few minutes of time. Seemed nice enough.
(1.1 million in 2011, 1.1 million in 2021).
Also I have just been to the world’s second largest wine cellar
https://www.reddit.com/r/AlanPartridge/comments/17pqmc4/alan_partridge_or_richard_madeley_who_said_it/
The Arteta of UK politics.