Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
If your fire is mostly killing civilians rather than fighters, and you do it day after day, then it is hardly "crossfire", rather a settled strategy that a mostly-civilian death toll is worth it.
Except there's no independent figures that say that civilians are most of the death toll, Hamas figures can't be trusted.
Plus its Hamas's responsibility that they're hiding behind human shields.
That utterly incomprehensible and cruel comment has made me so angry I need to take a walk before I say something I might regret.
Bart sees Palestinians as sub-human. He is totally obsessed with destroying Palestine and the Palestinian people. He is a war monger in leagues with the worst of the Israelis.
He used to be quite into the Russia ukraine conflict. Even stating what his terms for the conflict to end would be. I don’t see him mention it now.
Every square inch of Ukraine should be liberated. I mentioned Ukraine earlier in this conversation.
Ok the question is how. The task will likely require western troops on the ground.
To be honest for ages I thought you were him reincarnated, very similar vibes.
Hardcore lefty, he hated George Osborne and named his Twitter after him, mocked Osborne as a strategist regularly.
Tim wasn’t/isn’t a hardcore lefty, he was the quintessential Blairite centrist dad; he probably hates Corbynites more than Osborne et al. Gave PB Tories and the Herd a severe reaming on a regular basis though so a lot on the credit side in the ledger.
He does sound a lot like me to be fair, or perhaps I sound a lot like him?
He was however quite clever.
As I said, he does sound a lot like me.
He was also quite self aware.
He was also much more snide than Horse, to be fair...
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
No. Israel needs to stop acting as a recruiting sergeant for Hamas by recreating Bloody Sunday every day without cessation. Because even if the current members of Hamas were to surrender (to an uncertain fate in Israeli custody) they will simply be replaced by a generation of young Palestinians bent on revenge on the country that has destroyed their families and futures.
Britain has managed to “defeat” centuries of armed insurgents agains our brutal occuparion in Ireland but the wounds of our actions just fed a new generation of resistance. Same happens in occupied Palestine. Israel needs to understand that defeating Hamas in the way it anticipates will be, at best, pyrrhic.
The only way to end the recruiting sergeant is to have full employment and economic development for Palestinians, where t hey have economic opportunities and no reason to fight.
That ain't happening so long as they're blockaded, and as long as Hamas are there, they will be - and quite rightly too.
Gaza wasn't blockaded when Israel withdrew from it. That only happened after Hamas took over.
A ceasefire just guarantees years of misery, more blockades, more misery, more simmering, more hatred, then another eruption of violence in the future.
We need to break the cycle of violence, that can only happen by destroying Hamas then having a Marshall Plan style development afterwards. A ceasefire will just continue the cycle of violence.
You can’t destroy Hamas . And Israel’s ceasefire proposal was agree to it and we’ll still go into Rafah . The IDF have used the last 6 months to essentially destroy Gaza and to make it a wasteland under the cloak of getting rid of Hamas .
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Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas. What do you know that Joe Biden does not?
It will never be solved , these people have been killing each other for centuries, they don't give a shit.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
No. Israel needs to stop acting as a recruiting sergeant for Hamas by recreating Bloody Sunday every day without cessation. Because even if the current members of Hamas were to surrender (to an uncertain fate in Israeli custody) they will simply be replaced by a generation of young Palestinians bent on revenge on the country that has destroyed their families and futures.
Britain has managed to “defeat” centuries of armed insurgents agains our brutal occuparion in Ireland but the wounds of our actions just fed a new generation of resistance. Same happens in occupied Palestine. Israel needs to understand that defeating Hamas in the way it anticipates will be, at best, pyrrhic.
The only way to end the recruiting sergeant is to have full employment and economic development for Palestinians, where t hey have economic opportunities and no reason to fight.
That ain't happening so long as they're blockaded, and as long as Hamas are there, they will be - and quite rightly too.
Gaza wasn't blockaded when Israel withdrew from it. That only happened after Hamas took over.
A ceasefire just guarantees years of misery, more blockades, more misery, more simmering, more hatred, then another eruption of violence in the future.
We need to break the cycle of violence, that can only happen by destroying Hamas then having a Marshall Plan style development afterwards. A ceasefire will just continue the cycle of violence.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
No. Israel needs to stop acting as a recruiting sergeant for Hamas by recreating Bloody Sunday every day without cessation. Because even if the current members of Hamas were to surrender (to an uncertain fate in Israeli custody) they will simply be replaced by a generation of young Palestinians bent on revenge on the country that has destroyed their families and futures.
Britain has managed to “defeat” centuries of armed insurgents agains our brutal occuparion in Ireland but the wounds of our actions just fed a new generation of resistance. Same happens in occupied Palestine. Israel needs to understand that defeating Hamas in the way it anticipates will be, at best, pyrrhic.
The only way to end the recruiting sergeant is to have full employment and economic development for Palestinians, where t hey have economic opportunities and no reason to fight.
That ain't happening so long as they're blockaded, and as long as Hamas are there, they will be - and quite rightly too.
Gaza wasn't blockaded when Israel withdrew from it. That only happened after Hamas took over.
A ceasefire just guarantees years of misery, more blockades, more misery, more simmering, more hatred, then another eruption of violence in the future.
We need to break the cycle of violence, that can only happen by destroying Hamas then having a Marshall Plan style development afterwards. A ceasefire will just continue the cycle of violence.
Unfortunately you cannot destroy Hamas any more than you can destroy Irish Republicanism. It cannot be beaten. Fenian dead and all that. Israel has simply bolstered support for the idea of Hamas. Well, more accurately Netanyahu has by selling his country’s future for the sake of his own political survival.
Of course you can destroy Hamas just as you could destroy the Nazis, just as you could destroy the Tamil Tigers and so on and so forth.
You can't destroy Palestinians, but don't pretend that Hamas = Palestinians, its just not true, but Hamas absolutely can and should be destroyed in full.
Peace requires more than just destroying Hamas, but destroying Hamas is a pre-requisite to have a chance of a secure peace.
A ceasefire and Hamas remaining in charge just continues the cycle of violence kicking the can down the road.
To be honest for ages I thought you were him reincarnated, very similar vibes.
Hardcore lefty, he hated George Osborne and named his Twitter after him, mocked Osborne as a strategist regularly.
Tim wasn’t/isn’t a hardcore lefty, he was the quintessential Blairite centrist dad; he probably hates Corbynites more than Osborne et al. Gave PB Tories and the Herd a severe reaming on a regular basis though so a lot on the credit side in the ledger.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
No. Israel needs to stop acting as a recruiting sergeant for Hamas by recreating Bloody Sunday every day without cessation. Because even if the current members of Hamas were to surrender (to an uncertain fate in Israeli custody) they will simply be replaced by a generation of young Palestinians bent on revenge on the country that has destroyed their families and futures.
Britain has managed to “defeat” centuries of armed insurgents agains our brutal occuparion in Ireland but the wounds of our actions just fed a new generation of resistance. Same happens in occupied Palestine. Israel needs to understand that defeating Hamas in the way it anticipates will be, at best, pyrrhic.
The only way to end the recruiting sergeant is to have full employment and economic development for Palestinians, where t hey have economic opportunities and no reason to fight.
That ain't happening so long as they're blockaded, and as long as Hamas are there, they will be - and quite rightly too.
Gaza wasn't blockaded when Israel withdrew from it. That only happened after Hamas took over.
A ceasefire just guarantees years of misery, more blockades, more misery, more simmering, more hatred, then another eruption of violence in the future.
We need to break the cycle of violence, that can only happen by destroying Hamas then having a Marshall Plan style development afterwards. A ceasefire will just continue the cycle of violence.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
No. Israel needs to stop acting as a recruiting sergeant for Hamas by recreating Bloody Sunday every day without cessation. Because even if the current members of Hamas were to surrender (to an uncertain fate in Israeli custody) they will simply be replaced by a generation of young Palestinians bent on revenge on the country that has destroyed their families and futures.
Britain has managed to “defeat” centuries of armed insurgents agains our brutal occuparion in Ireland but the wounds of our actions just fed a new generation of resistance. Same happens in occupied Palestine. Israel needs to understand that defeating Hamas in the way it anticipates will be, at best, pyrrhic.
The only way to end the recruiting sergeant is to have full employment and economic development for Palestinians, where t hey have economic opportunities and no reason to fight.
That ain't happening so long as they're blockaded, and as long as Hamas are there, they will be - and quite rightly too.
Gaza wasn't blockaded when Israel withdrew from it. That only happened after Hamas took over.
A ceasefire just guarantees years of misery, more blockades, more misery, more simmering, more hatred, then another eruption of violence in the future.
We need to break the cycle of violence, that can only happen by destroying Hamas then having a Marshall Plan style development afterwards. A ceasefire will just continue the cycle of violence.
Unfortunately you cannot destroy Hamas any more than you can destroy Irish Republicanism. It cannot be beaten. Fenian dead and all that. Israel has simply bolstered support for the idea of Hamas. Well, more accurately Netanyahu has by selling his country’s future for the sake of his own political survival.
IMV it's far more complex than that. For one thing, Hamas isn't an organic Palestinian organisation; it is funded and run from other countries; most notably Iran. Iran - and I reckon many of the Hamas leaders - don't give a flying f**k about the average Palestinian; neither do most of the surrounding countries, and not just Israel.
The Palestinians are trapped between by the desires of outside interests - extreme Zionism on one hand, and flagrant anti-Semitism on the other.
Israel Government are determined to kill as many innocent people as possible. Just disgraceful to reject this deal.
There is absolutely no reason that Israel should accept this deal.
Hamas need to be destroyed. You used to pretend you believed that, but opposed every step to doing it. A ceasefire now means Hamas survive and the past few months of violence has been good for nothing.
To be honest for ages I thought you were him reincarnated, very similar vibes.
Hardcore lefty, he hated George Osborne and named his Twitter after him, mocked Osborne as a strategist regularly.
Tim wasn’t/isn’t a hardcore lefty, he was the quintessential Blairite centrist dad; he probably hates Corbynites more than Osborne et al. Gave PB Tories and the Herd a severe reaming on a regular basis though so a lot on the credit side in the ledger.
Israel Government are determined to kill as many innocent people as possible. Just disgraceful to reject this deal.
There is absolutely no reason that Israel should accept this deal.
Hamas need to be destroyed. You used to pretend you believed that, but opposed every step to doing it. A ceasefire now means Hamas survive and the past few months of violence has been good for nothing.
I now believe you are working for the Israeli Government. There is no other logical explanation for this tripe.
Israel Government are determined to kill as many innocent people as possible. Just disgraceful to reject this deal.
Even Sky do not know what is in the deal so maybe prudent to wait until it is revealed, probably by Qatar, and also what Joe Biden says as he is key to it all
Just an FYI, MoonRabbit has predicted an election for the 4th July, to be called 13th May, so might be wise to lay a July election on historical trends.
Does this rather sneering appproach make you feel big and clever?
It’s snide, unpleasant, bullying and - worst of all - dull for everyone else
They need to publish the details of the ceasefire deal . The Israelis have said this is a softened deal from the one of last week .
How soft , is there room for more negotiations? I don’t believe that the Qataris and Egyptians would have put together a deal that was totally unacceptable.
Just an FYI, MoonRabbit has predicted an election for the 4th July, to be called 13th May, so might be wise to lay a July election on historical trends.
Does this rather sneering appproach make you feel big and clever?
It’s snide, unpleasant, bullying and - worst of all - dull for everyone else
Yes it does, I have a very small penis you see and I am compensating for that.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
I think you are losing the plot, I think what Bart says is just as correct as everybody saying Israel can stop it. Hamas do not want a ceasefire under any terms, they care not a jot for the civilians or they would have released the hostages months and months ago. People can try and claim the moral high ground from over here but facts are either could stop any time they want but they hate each so much they will not. Hamas leaders living in luxury in other countries have no reason to stop it, it is a shitshow and will continue till one side "wins" which will not be pretty for sure and all the wailing and gnashing of teeth by dogooders here will make no difference. Have to say the dogooders pick the genocide they want stopped given there are many on the go at any one time.
To be honest for ages I thought you were him reincarnated, very similar vibes.
Hardcore lefty, he hated George Osborne and named his Twitter after him, mocked Osborne as a strategist regularly.
Tim wasn’t/isn’t a hardcore lefty, he was the quintessential Blairite centrist dad; he probably hates Corbynites more than Osborne et al. Gave PB Tories and the Herd a severe reaming on a regular basis though so a lot on the credit side in the ledger.
Israel: reject our ceasefire deal and we will level Rafah Israel: accept our ceasefire deal and we will level Rafah
You need to listen to the media who to be fair are quite nuanced on this proposed deal and certainly there is a lot more detail to come out which none of us know at this stage but it is certain Joe Biden will
It would be wise to wait for his response which could be very important
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
No. Israel needs to stop acting as a recruiting sergeant for Hamas by recreating Bloody Sunday every day without cessation. Because even if the current members of Hamas were to surrender (to an uncertain fate in Israeli custody) they will simply be replaced by a generation of young Palestinians bent on revenge on the country that has destroyed their families and futures.
Britain has managed to “defeat” centuries of armed insurgents agains our brutal occuparion in Ireland but the wounds of our actions just fed a new generation of resistance. Same happens in occupied Palestine. Israel needs to understand that defeating Hamas in the way it anticipates will be, at best, pyrrhic.
The only way to end the recruiting sergeant is to have full employment and economic development for Palestinians, where t hey have economic opportunities and no reason to fight.
That ain't happening so long as they're blockaded, and as long as Hamas are there, they will be - and quite rightly too.
Gaza wasn't blockaded when Israel withdrew from it. That only happened after Hamas took over.
A ceasefire just guarantees years of misery, more blockades, more misery, more simmering, more hatred, then another eruption of violence in the future.
We need to break the cycle of violence, that can only happen by destroying Hamas then having a Marshall Plan style development afterwards. A ceasefire will just continue the cycle of violence.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
No. Israel needs to stop acting as a recruiting sergeant for Hamas by recreating Bloody Sunday every day without cessation. Because even if the current members of Hamas were to surrender (to an uncertain fate in Israeli custody) they will simply be replaced by a generation of young Palestinians bent on revenge on the country that has destroyed their families and futures.
Britain has managed to “defeat” centuries of armed insurgents agains our brutal occuparion in Ireland but the wounds of our actions just fed a new generation of resistance. Same happens in occupied Palestine. Israel needs to understand that defeating Hamas in the way it anticipates will be, at best, pyrrhic.
The only way to end the recruiting sergeant is to have full employment and economic development for Palestinians, where t hey have economic opportunities and no reason to fight.
That ain't happening so long as they're blockaded, and as long as Hamas are there, they will be - and quite rightly too.
Gaza wasn't blockaded when Israel withdrew from it. That only happened after Hamas took over.
A ceasefire just guarantees years of misery, more blockades, more misery, more simmering, more hatred, then another eruption of violence in the future.
We need to break the cycle of violence, that can only happen by destroying Hamas then having a Marshall Plan style development afterwards. A ceasefire will just continue the cycle of violence.
Unfortunately you cannot destroy Hamas any more than you can destroy Irish Republicanism. It cannot be beaten. Fenian dead and all that. Israel has simply bolstered support for the idea of Hamas. Well, more accurately Netanyahu has by selling his country’s future for the sake of his own political survival.
Of course you can destroy Hamas just as you could destroy the Nazis, just as you could destroy the Tamil Tigers and so on and so forth.
You can't destroy Palestinians, but don't pretend that Hamas = Palestinians, its just not true, but Hamas absolutely can and should be destroyed in full.
Peace requires more than just destroying Hamas, but destroying Hamas is a pre-requisite to have a chance of a secure peace.
A ceasefire and Hamas remaining in charge just continues the cycle of violence kicking the can down the road.
I am not suggesting Palestinians are Hamas. I am suggesting that he kind of Militant Islamism represented by Hamas is currently being martyred by Israel. Martyrs are dangerous things to have.
Historical analogies always break down under scrutiny. The Nazi Party was not a resistance movement nor were its roots in German society particularly old. Sure, the Tamil Tigers were militarily defeated in 2008, but so were the United Irishmen in 1798, and the Indian revolutionaries of 1858. Neither defeat led to an acceptance of being occupied.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
If your fire is mostly killing civilians rather than fighters, and you do it day after day, then it is hardly "crossfire", rather a settled strategy that a mostly-civilian death toll is worth it.
Except there's no independent figures that say that civilians are most of the death toll, Hamas figures can't be trusted.
Plus its Hamas's responsibility that they're hiding behind human shields.
That utterly incomprehensible and cruel comment has made me so angry I need to take a walk before I say something I might regret.
Bart sees Palestinians as sub-human. He is totally obsessed with destroying Palestine and the Palestinian people. He is a war monger in leagues with the worst of the Israelis.
He used to be quite into the Russia ukraine conflict. Even stating what his terms for the conflict to end would be. I don’t see him mention it now.
Every square inch of Ukraine should be liberated. I mentioned Ukraine earlier in this conversation.
Ok the question is how. The task will likely require western troops on the ground.
The missing ingredient is the USAF. If the USAF was talking apart Russian logistics and defensive positions then I think the Ukrainian forces on the ground could finish the job.
So the question is whether Ukrainian drones and F-16s can replicate the capabilities of the USAF. That's obviously a "no" in terms of 100% replication, but they'd be able to do so to an extent. Will it be enough? I don't know. It might be.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
No. Israel needs to stop acting as a recruiting sergeant for Hamas by recreating Bloody Sunday every day without cessation. Because even if the current members of Hamas were to surrender (to an uncertain fate in Israeli custody) they will simply be replaced by a generation of young Palestinians bent on revenge on the country that has destroyed their families and futures.
Britain has managed to “defeat” centuries of armed insurgents agains our brutal occuparion in Ireland but the wounds of our actions just fed a new generation of resistance. Same happens in occupied Palestine. Israel needs to understand that defeating Hamas in the way it anticipates will be, at best, pyrrhic.
The only way to end the recruiting sergeant is to have full employment and economic development for Palestinians, where t hey have economic opportunities and no reason to fight.
That ain't happening so long as they're blockaded, and as long as Hamas are there, they will be - and quite rightly too.
Gaza wasn't blockaded when Israel withdrew from it. That only happened after Hamas took over.
A ceasefire just guarantees years of misery, more blockades, more misery, more simmering, more hatred, then another eruption of violence in the future.
We need to break the cycle of violence, that can only happen by destroying Hamas then having a Marshall Plan style development afterwards. A ceasefire will just continue the cycle of violence.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
No. Israel needs to stop acting as a recruiting sergeant for Hamas by recreating Bloody Sunday every day without cessation. Because even if the current members of Hamas were to surrender (to an uncertain fate in Israeli custody) they will simply be replaced by a generation of young Palestinians bent on revenge on the country that has destroyed their families and futures.
Britain has managed to “defeat” centuries of armed insurgents agains our brutal occuparion in Ireland but the wounds of our actions just fed a new generation of resistance. Same happens in occupied Palestine. Israel needs to understand that defeating Hamas in the way it anticipates will be, at best, pyrrhic.
The only way to end the recruiting sergeant is to have full employment and economic development for Palestinians, where t hey have economic opportunities and no reason to fight.
That ain't happening so long as they're blockaded, and as long as Hamas are there, they will be - and quite rightly too.
Gaza wasn't blockaded when Israel withdrew from it. That only happened after Hamas took over.
A ceasefire just guarantees years of misery, more blockades, more misery, more simmering, more hatred, then another eruption of violence in the future.
We need to break the cycle of violence, that can only happen by destroying Hamas then having a Marshall Plan style development afterwards. A ceasefire will just continue the cycle of violence.
Unfortunately you cannot destroy Hamas any more than you can destroy Irish Republicanism. It cannot be beaten. Fenian dead and all that. Israel has simply bolstered support for the idea of Hamas. Well, more accurately Netanyahu has by selling his country’s future for the sake of his own political survival.
Of course you can destroy Hamas just as you could destroy the Nazis, just as you could destroy the Tamil Tigers and so on and so forth.
You can't destroy Palestinians, but don't pretend that Hamas = Palestinians, its just not true, but Hamas absolutely can and should be destroyed in full.
Peace requires more than just destroying Hamas, but destroying Hamas is a pre-requisite to have a chance of a secure peace.
A ceasefire and Hamas remaining in charge just continues the cycle of violence kicking the can down the road.
I am not suggesting Palestinians are Hamas. I am suggesting that he kind of Militant Islamism represented by Hamas is currently being martyred by Israel. Martyrs are dangerous things to have.
Historical analogies always break down under scrutiny. The Nazi Party was not a resistance movement nor were its roots in German society particularly old. Sure, the Tamil Tigers were militarily defeated in 2008, but so were the United Irishmen in 1798, and the Indian revolutionaries of 1858. Neither defeat led to an acceptance of being occupied.
Nor should it.
Gaza was not being blockaded pre-Hamas.
I would like to see an independent Palestine, but that can't happen under Hamas. Post-Hamas there might be a chance, however slim, of peace. With Hamas, there's none whatsoever.
Maha Hussaini @MahaGaza · 32m Replying to @MahaGaza Israeli Channel 13 reports Israeli officials saying: "Hamas has agreed to a softened Egyptian draft, which is not acceptable to Israel."
They need to publish the details of the ceasefire deal . The Israelis have said this is a softened deal from the one of last week .
How soft , is there room for more negotiations? I don’t believe that the Qataris and Egyptians would have put together a deal that was totally unacceptable.
It appears the US were also present but not Israel
Everyone wants a ceasefire but rushing to judgement on the details when nobody knows what is involved is unwise at this stage
Anyone who wants to follow breaking news regarding Gaza should keep Al Jazeera bookmarked. Don't waste your time on cack from the BBC. Even Reuters is better than the toilet called the BBC.
Current reports are that the Israeli regime is briefing unattributably that it does not agree to the deal as it has been approved by the IRM.
AJ has not as yet published the details of the proposal that the IRM has accepted.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Just an FYI, MoonRabbit has predicted an election for the 4th July, to be called 13th May, so might be wise to lay a July election on historical trends.
Does this rather sneering appproach make you feel big and clever?
It’s snide, unpleasant, bullying and - worst of all - dull for everyone else
Yes it does, I have a very small penis you see and I am compensating for that.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
No, it's just reporting a Likely Voter poll not Registered Voters. Biden always does.bettwr with LV, Democrats are more motivated this year. All the polling with Trump ahead has been a) RV and b) misleading
Just an FYI, MoonRabbit has predicted an election for the 4th July, to be called 13th May, so might be wise to lay a July election on historical trends.
Does this rather sneering appproach make you feel big and clever?
It’s snide, unpleasant, bullying and - worst of all - dull for everyone else
Yes it does, I have a very small penis you see and I am compensating for that.
That excuse is already taken.
I have very small balls too, so I am very scared to argue with you.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Anyone who wants to follow breaking news regarding Gaza should keep Al Jazeera bookmarked. Don't waste your time on cack from the BBC. Even Reuters is better than the toilet called the BBC.
Current reports are that the Israeli regime is briefing unattributably that it does not agree to the deal as it has been approved by the IRM.
AJ has not as yet published the details of the proposal that the IRM has accepted.
Yes I often tune into Al Jazeera , it’s very good . The sad conclusion from all this is Netenyahu doesn’t want a ceasefire and his cabinet are determined to totally destroy Gaza . Netenyahu only stays in office if he can drag this out .
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Who's blockading?
Egypt and Israel since Hamas took over.
Quite rightly too, they have to.
Neither were pre-Hamas. Post-Hamas they shouldn't either, but if there's a ceasefire then both will continue to do so and quite rightly too.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
If you were in Hamas would you surrender? What do you think would happen to a member of Hamas who surrenders?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Who's blockading?
Egypt and Israel since Hamas took over.
Quite rightly too, they have to.
Neither were pre-Hamas. Post-Hamas they shouldn't either, but if there's a ceasefire then both will continue to do so and quite rightly too.
Is Hamas also the justification for 20,000 or many more dead Palestinian civilians?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
If you were in Hamas would you surrender? What do you think would happen to a member of Hamas who surrenders?
Not yet, which is why Israel needs to go into Rafah and anywhere else Hamas are hiding and giving no free places to hide.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Who's blockading?
Egypt and Israel since Hamas took over.
Quite rightly too, they have to.
Neither were pre-Hamas. Post-Hamas they shouldn't either, but if there's a ceasefire then both will continue to do so and quite rightly too.
Is Hamas also the justification for 20,000 or many more dead Palestinian civilians?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Has anybody ever seen Benjamin Netanyahu and Bartholomew Roberts in the same room?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Has anybody ever seen Benjamin Netanyahu and Bartholomew Roberts in the same room?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
If you were in Hamas would you surrender? What do you think would happen to a member of Hamas who surrenders?
Not yet, which is why Israel needs to go into Rafah and anywhere else Hamas are hiding and giving no free places to hide.
Then and only then might Hamas surrender.
Has anybody ever seen Oswald Mosley and Bartholomew Roberts in the same room?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Has anybody ever seen Benjamin Netanyahu and Bartholomew Roberts in the same room?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
It is depressing to see you fall this way Bart. Basically everyone here except you now accepts Israel needs to stop.
Israel should stop when Hamas are destroyed, I've said that since the start.
They've not been destroyed yet.
In 1967, the IDF of that era conquered the whole Gaza Strip within 48 hours.
Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas’s political wing, said on Monday that the group had agreed to a proposal for a cease-fire in Gaza, but it was unclear what terms it had accepted. A senior Israeli official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Hamas had not agreed to the terms of the latest Israeli proposal.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
If you were in Hamas would you surrender? What do you think would happen to a member of Hamas who surrenders?
Not yet, which is why Israel needs to go into Rafah and anywhere else Hamas are hiding and giving no free places to hide.
Then and only then might Hamas surrender.
Has anybody ever seen Oswald Mosley and Bartholomew Roberts in the same room?
That's just stupid.
The only way to win a war is to fight it, its tragic, but that's the only option. When you eliminate the impossible, then whatever remains, however unpleasant, is the only realistic option.
I'd rather there be no war. Had Hamas not attacked, there wouldn't be one but they did and they won't stop, even if there's a ceasefire they'll be back for more - why would you want that?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
It is depressing to see you fall this way Bart. Basically everyone here except you now accepts Israel needs to stop.
Israel should stop when Hamas are destroyed, I've said that since the start.
They've not been destroyed yet.
In 1967, the IDF of that era conquered the whole Gaza Strip within 48 hours.
Israel Government are determined to kill as many innocent people as possible. Just disgraceful to reject this deal.
There is absolutely no reason that Israel should accept this deal.
Hamas need to be destroyed. You used to pretend you believed that, but opposed every step to doing it. A ceasefire now means Hamas survive and the past few months of violence has been good for nothing.
I now believe you are working for the Israeli Government. There is no other logical explanation for this tripe.
No, he can't be, unless the Israeli government somehow has a cunning plan to harden international opinion against it by arranging for agents such as Mr Roberts to spout vindictive tripe of this ilk.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Has anybody ever seen Benjamin Netanyahu and Bartholomew Roberts in the same room?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
If you were in Hamas would you surrender? What do you think would happen to a member of Hamas who surrenders?
Not yet, which is why Israel needs to go into Rafah and anywhere else Hamas are hiding and giving no free places to hide.
Then and only then might Hamas surrender.
Why should Hamas surrender? The Israeli interlopers have stolen their country with Western connivance.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Who's blockading?
Egypt and Israel since Hamas took over.
Quite rightly too, they have to.
Neither were pre-Hamas. Post-Hamas they shouldn't either, but if there's a ceasefire then both will continue to do so and quite rightly too.
Is Hamas also the justification for 20,000 or many more dead Palestinian civilians?
"civilians"? How many of those 20,000 are men of fighting age?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Has anybody ever seen Benjamin Netanyahu and Bartholomew Roberts in the same room?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Has anybody ever seen Benjamin Netanyahu and Bartholomew Roberts in the same room?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
If you were in Hamas would you surrender? What do you think would happen to a member of Hamas who surrenders?
Not yet, which is why Israel needs to go into Rafah and anywhere else Hamas are hiding and giving no free places to hide.
Then and only then might Hamas surrender.
Why should Hamas surrender? The Israeli interlopers have stolen their country with Western connivance.
“Their country”. So are you saying Palestine is the country of a terrorist group?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Has anybody ever seen Benjamin Netanyahu and Bartholomew Roberts in the same room?
Has anyone ever seen Bartholemew Roberts and Phillip Thompson in the same room?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Who's blockading?
Egypt and Israel since Hamas took over.
Quite rightly too, they have to.
Neither were pre-Hamas. Post-Hamas they shouldn't either, but if there's a ceasefire then both will continue to do so and quite rightly too.
Is Hamas also the justification for 20,000 or many more dead Palestinian civilians?
"civilians"? How many of those 20,000 are men of fighting age?
We’ll never know because the propaganda smokescreen is too great on all sides.
Israel Government are determined to kill as many innocent people as possible. Just disgraceful to reject this deal.
There is absolutely no reason that Israel should accept this deal.
Hamas need to be destroyed. You used to pretend you believed that, but opposed every step to doing it. A ceasefire now means Hamas survive and the past few months of violence has been good for nothing.
I now believe you are working for the Israeli Government. There is no other logical explanation for this tripe.
No, he can't be, unless the Israeli government somehow has a cunning plan to harden international opinion against it by arranging for agents such as Mr Roberts to spout vindictive tripe of this ilk.
Could this be the time, especially given the kickback by pro Palestinian voters last Thursday, for Starrmer to ease himself gently off the Gazan fence, or am I expecting too much?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
It is depressing to see you fall this way Bart. Basically everyone here except you now accepts Israel needs to stop.
Israel should stop when Hamas are destroyed, I've said that since the start.
They've not been destroyed yet.
and I guess you imagine a cuddlier and fluffier version of Palestinian nationalism is going to emerge from the ashes of Hamas.
"Peace" when it means surrendering to evil is not a good thing.
The arguments you are making is no different to those Lord Halifax was over 80 years ago.
Hamas are evil and need to be destroyed. I would like to see a free Palestinian state, but that is never going to happen if Hamas are in charge, even you have to know that.
So what does your "ceasefire" lead to? More misery? More hatred? More violence only postponed. Last six months achieving nothing? What's the freaking point of any of that?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Has anybody ever seen Benjamin Netanyahu and Bartholomew Roberts in the same room?
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
Would any Palestinian resistance member be allowed to keep a handgun, Barty, or a pair of tough boots even?
"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
The Nazis said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did. The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
We must keep fighting to end the cycle of violence?
Yes.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
If you were in Hamas would you surrender? What do you think would happen to a member of Hamas who surrenders?
Not yet, which is why Israel needs to go into Rafah and anywhere else Hamas are hiding and giving no free places to hide.
Then and only then might Hamas surrender.
Why should Hamas surrender? The Israeli interlopers have stolen their country with Western connivance.
“Their country”. So are you saying Palestine is the country of a terrorist group?
I am saying that Palestine, from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea, is the country of ordinary Palestinians. Due to the occupation of their land, they have been corrupted by the evil extremists of Hamas.
Just an FYI, MoonRabbit has predicted an election for the 4th July, to be called 13th May, so might be wise to lay a July election on historical trends.
Does this rather sneering appproach make you feel big and clever?
It’s snide, unpleasant, bullying and - worst of all - dull for everyone else
Yes it does, I have a very small penis you see and I am compensating for that.
I’ve no idea why you are the way you are. But you don’t come across as a very nice person
and I guess you imagine a cuddlier and fluffier version of Palestinian nationalism is going to emerge from the ashes of Hamas.
This is the thing, Bart is not an unintelligent chap, he must know the results of the Israeli actions will be to create a generation of total nutjobs who won't even negotiate.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
It is depressing to see you fall this way Bart. Basically everyone here except you now accepts Israel needs to stop.
Israel should stop when Hamas are destroyed, I've said that since the start.
They've not been destroyed yet.
and I guess you imagine a cuddlier and fluffier version of Palestinian nationalism is going to emerge from the ashes of Hamas.
I mean it worked in Nazi Germany. And to an extent in Chechnya. So it isn’t impossible to defeat a terrorist insurgency. Not saying it will work here.
Just an FYI, MoonRabbit has predicted an election for the 4th July, to be called 13th May, so might be wise to lay a July election on historical trends.
Does this rather sneering appproach make you feel big and clever?
It’s snide, unpleasant, bullying and - worst of all - dull for everyone else
Yes it does, I have a very small penis you see and I am compensating for that.
I’ve no idea why you are the way you are. But you don’t come across as a very nice person
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
It is depressing to see you fall this way Bart. Basically everyone here except you now accepts Israel needs to stop.
Israel should stop when Hamas are destroyed, I've said that since the start.
They've not been destroyed yet.
and I guess you imagine a cuddlier and fluffier version of Palestinian nationalism is going to emerge from the ashes of Hamas.
Yes, just as a cuddlier and fluffier version of German nationalism emerged from the ashes of the Nazis.
Destroy Hamas, then have a Marshall plan to develop Palestine afterwards. Carrot and stick.
Yes, just as a cuddlier and fluffier version of German nationalism emerged from the ashes of the Nazis.
Destroy Hamas, then have a Marshall plan to develop Palestine afterwards. Carrot and stick.
Ceasefire achieves nothing.
Can you explain how levelling Rafah is going to achieve these aims? Do you think the US and UK are wrong and if so, what information do you have that they don't?
Yes, just as a cuddlier and fluffier version of German nationalism emerged from the ashes of the Nazis.
Destroy Hamas, then have a Marshall plan to develop Palestine afterwards. Carrot and stick.
Ceasefire achieves nothing.
Can you explain how levelling Rafah is going to achieve these aims? Do you think the US and UK are wrong and if so, what information do you have that they don't?
When Hamas are dead and/or surrender, then Gaza can be developed.
I think the US and UK are pandering to people like you. I'm not.
Yes, just as a cuddlier and fluffier version of German nationalism emerged from the ashes of the Nazis.
Destroy Hamas, then have a Marshall plan to develop Palestine afterwards. Carrot and stick.
Ceasefire achieves nothing.
Can you explain how levelling Rafah is going to achieve these aims? Do you think the US and UK are wrong and if so, what information do you have that they don't?
When Hamas are dead and/or surrender, then Gaza can be developed.
I think the US and UK are pandering to people like you. I'm not.
You are an army of one. The people they are pandering to are the majority at this point.
We all supported Israel but enough is enough. They've gone too far. It's sad to see you go like this Bart.
If the IDF go into Rafah they’ll then find another excuse to continue the war . Total victory means what ! Much of the leadership is in other countries .
An interesting, if somewhat lengthy, account by Anne Applebaum in The Atlantic of how the autocracies are working to undermine the democracies. It's depressing how the advent of the internet has been leveraged by bad actors.
THE NEW PROPAGANDA WAR Autocrats in China, Russia, and elsewhere are now making common cause with MAGA Republicans to discredit liberalism and freedom around the world.
Yes, just as a cuddlier and fluffier version of German nationalism emerged from the ashes of the Nazis.
Destroy Hamas, then have a Marshall plan to develop Palestine afterwards. Carrot and stick.
Ceasefire achieves nothing.
Can you explain how levelling Rafah is going to achieve these aims? Do you think the US and UK are wrong and if so, what information do you have that they don't?
When Hamas are dead and/or surrender, then Gaza can be developed.
I think the US and UK are pandering to people like you. I'm not.
You are an army of one. The people they are pandering to are the majority at this point.
We all supported Israel but enough is enough. They've gone too far. It's sad to see you go like this Bart.
Enough is when Hamas have been destroyed.
Eliminate 90% of a cancer and the cancer comes back.
Ceasefire now and the last six months, all the suffering, all the misery, will have been absolutely bloody pointless.
So the Tories plan to waste effort on trying to defend seats they are certain to lose, while ignoring those where they have a chance of holding. Excellent.
Mind, I always maintain that the 'ground game' is a total waste of time and energy when it comes to general elections. So it matters not.
It's worth 500-1,000 extra votes, or not, in the key marginals.
So a good ground game can save 20-30 seats, or not.
If the IDF go into Rafah they’ll then find another excuse to continue the war . Total victory means what ! Much of the leadership is in other countries .
Hamas can end the war anytime by surrendering unconditionally.
So the Tories plan to waste effort on trying to defend seats they are certain to lose, while ignoring those where they have a chance of holding. Excellent.
Mind, I always maintain that the 'ground game' is a total waste of time and energy when it comes to general elections. So it matters not.
It's worth 500-1,000 extra votes, or not, in the key marginals.
So a good ground game can save 20-30 seats, or not.
"We do not support Israel launching a full-scale military operation in Rafah"
US State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller says a "military operation in Rafah right now would dramatically increase the suffering of the Palestinian people".
An interesting, if somewhat lengthy, account by Anne Applebaum in The Atlantic of how the autocracies are working to undermine the democracies. It's depressing how the advent of the internet has been leveraged by bad actors.
THE NEW PROPAGANDA WAR Autocrats in China, Russia, and elsewhere are now making common cause with MAGA Republicans to discredit liberalism and freedom around the world.
She's being saying something along those lines for some time. Namely, the autocratic method of government works and you can scale it up/export it. Two points
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
It is depressing to see you fall this way Bart. Basically everyone here except you now accepts Israel needs to stop.
Israel should stop when Hamas are destroyed, I've said that since the start.
They've not been destroyed yet.
and I guess you imagine a cuddlier and fluffier version of Palestinian nationalism is going to emerge from the ashes of Hamas.
I mean it worked in Nazi Germany. And to an extent in Chechnya. So it isn’t impossible to defeat a terrorist insurgency. Not saying it will work here.
After Nazi Germany there was still a Germany. But there won't be a Palestine the way Israel are going.
and I guess you imagine a cuddlier and fluffier version of Palestinian nationalism is going to emerge from the ashes of Hamas.
This is the thing, Bart is not an unintelligent chap, he must know the results of the Israeli actions will be to create a generation of total nutjobs who won't even negotiate.
Hamas have run Gaza for 18 years. They've already created a generation of total nutjobs - and some of them did October 7th.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
It is depressing to see you fall this way Bart. Basically everyone here except you now accepts Israel needs to stop.
Israel should stop when Hamas are destroyed, I've said that since the start.
They've not been destroyed yet.
and I guess you imagine a cuddlier and fluffier version of Palestinian nationalism is going to emerge from the ashes of Hamas.
Yes, just as a cuddlier and fluffier version of German nationalism emerged from the ashes of the Nazis.
Destroy Hamas, then have a Marshall plan to develop Palestine afterwards. Carrot and stick.
First, you have to understand why Humza got the boot. It wasn't because he was "useless" - that was factored in when he became leader. Nor was it because he dumped the Greens - he was pressured to do that. It was because he was talking to Salmond, via Ash Regan, in order to survive the no-confidence vote. That was intolerable to Sturgeon and her friends.
However, equally intolerable was Forbes taking over. That would have destroyed Sturgeon's political project to unite "progressives" around Indy. Hence Swinney being dragged out of retirement with the threat to Forbes that the party would be ungovernable if she challenged and won. Hence her decision to back "Honest" John.
However, when Swinney steps down, probably after the next Holyrood election, Stephen Flynn (current SNP Westminster leader) will be levered in as the next Continuity/Unity leader. Forbes will over time be marginalised,although she may prove useful during the next few months for the election campaign..
QED.
I don't quite agree. K Forbes is not finished yet. The 48% she got in the head to head last time is not insignificant. Members decide the matter, not the machine. The effect of a less good result in the GE may be to get members to wonder what the best route is both to independence and to a decent result in the next Holyrood election. And the answer may be that it is time for a move towards a more socially conservative centre.
I hope not. Not even the admirable Forbes can convince me that there is a decent case against the union. The Scottish people may be another matter.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
It is depressing to see you fall this way Bart. Basically everyone here except you now accepts Israel needs to stop.
Israel should stop when Hamas are destroyed, I've said that since the start.
They've not been destroyed yet.
and I guess you imagine a cuddlier and fluffier version of Palestinian nationalism is going to emerge from the ashes of Hamas.
I mean it worked in Nazi Germany. And to an extent in Chechnya. So it isn’t impossible to defeat a terrorist insurgency. Not saying it will work here.
After Nazi Germany there was still a Germany. But there won't be a Palestine the way Israel are going.
That's absurd, they're not destroying the Palestinians. That'd take millions of casualties and its just not happening. Nor should it.
I want a better future for Palestinians. A Marshall Plan post-Hamas gives them an opportunity. A ceasefire and leaving Hamas in charge achieves nothing.
Would be big news if they were at war with either Egypt or Qatar.
They need to accept Israel's proposal, lay down their arms unconditionally, surrender and disband.
Israel also need to cancel their plans to kill innocent people.
Israel need to accept this proposal to protect innocent lives. Israel has completely lost the plot and now needs to be challenged.
That's not in their hands, is it?
Innocent people get caught in the crossfire during war.
If Hamas surrender then the innocents would be saved, if they don't, then that's Hamas's choice.
It's in their hands entirely to not bomb and destroy Rafah. You relish killing innocent people as the war-monger you are.
They need to bomb and destroy Hamas.
Hamas are in Rafah.
I relish nothing, I'd rather Hamas surrender, but if they don't then they still need to be targeted wherever they are. There is no alternative to destroy Hamas other than target them wherever they are.
You must accept that totalling Rafah will not destroy Hamas.
If Hamas won't surrender then its a required action.
If they do, then its not.
It is depressing to see you fall this way Bart. Basically everyone here except you now accepts Israel needs to stop.
Israel should stop when Hamas are destroyed, I've said that since the start.
They've not been destroyed yet.
and I guess you imagine a cuddlier and fluffier version of Palestinian nationalism is going to emerge from the ashes of Hamas.
Yes, just as a cuddlier and fluffier version of German nationalism emerged from the ashes of the Nazis.
Destroy Hamas, then have a Marshall plan to develop Palestine afterwards. Carrot and stick.
Ceasefire achieves nothing.
You are a maniac.
No, I'm not, Hamas are the maniacs, they are the ones who caused this conflict, they are the ones who killed thousands in October and they need to be destroyed.
Causing all this harm to Palestinians without destroying Hamas is utterly pointless. Like going through chemotherapy but quitting halfway.
and I guess you imagine a cuddlier and fluffier version of Palestinian nationalism is going to emerge from the ashes of Hamas.
This is the thing, Bart is not an unintelligent chap, he must know the results of the Israeli actions will be to create a generation of total nutjobs who won't even negotiate.
Hamas have run Gaza for 18 years. They've already created a generation of total nutjobs - and some of them did October 7th.
If the IDF go into Rafah they’ll then find another excuse to continue the war . Total victory means what ! Much of the leadership is in other countries .
Hamas can end the war anytime by surrendering unconditionally.
Then the expulsions from Gaza begin, like 1947, and whole sorry cycle begins again. Israel needs to talk to Hamas like we talked to the IRA. Insisting they surrender first didn’t work. Israel is not the honest actor you make it out to be.
So the Tories plan to waste effort on trying to defend seats they are certain to lose, while ignoring those where they have a chance of holding. Excellent.
Mind, I always maintain that the 'ground game' is a total waste of time and energy when it comes to general elections. So it matters not.
It's worth 500-1,000 extra votes, or not, in the key marginals.
So a good ground game can save 20-30 seats, or not.
But you've gotta be working the right seats
Yes, that's right.
If I were the Tories I'd focus on seats 150-250 so basically forget the first 100 seats.
If the IDF go into Rafah they’ll then find another excuse to continue the war . Total victory means what ! Much of the leadership is in other countries .
Hamas can end the war anytime by surrendering unconditionally.
Then the expulsions from Gaza begin, like 1947, and whole sorry cycle begins again. Israel needs to talk to Hamas like we talked to the IRA. Insisting they surrender first didn’t work. Israel is not the honest actor you make it out to be.
No, Hamas needs to surrender unconditionally and someone else needs to be talked to.
Negotiating with Hamas is like negotiating with Putin.
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"Infrastructure of terror" is just a euphemism for things like roads, homes, hospitals, water supply, electricity mains, schools, churches, and mosques, as can be seen from the obscene destruction that Israel has already meted out in most of Gaza, as it treats practically the entire population as if they're its prisoners.
You won't get your surrender. And you probably know this.
https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1787518822762664038
You can't destroy Palestinians, but don't pretend that Hamas = Palestinians, its just not true, but Hamas absolutely can and should be destroyed in full.
Peace requires more than just destroying Hamas, but destroying Hamas is a pre-requisite to have a chance of a secure peace.
A ceasefire and Hamas remaining in charge just continues the cycle of violence kicking the can down the road.
The Palestinians are trapped between by the desires of outside interests - extreme Zionism on one hand, and flagrant anti-Semitism on the other.
Hamas need to be destroyed. You used to pretend you believed that, but opposed every step to doing it. A ceasefire now means Hamas survive and the past few months of violence has been good for nothing.
Israel: accept our ceasefire deal and we will level Rafah
It’s snide, unpleasant, bullying and - worst of all - dull for everyone else
How soft , is there room for more negotiations? I don’t believe that the Qataris and Egyptians would have put together a deal that was totally unacceptable.
It would be wise to wait for his response which could be very important
Historical analogies always break down under scrutiny. The Nazi Party was not a resistance movement nor were its roots in German society particularly old. Sure, the Tamil Tigers were militarily defeated in 2008, but so were the United Irishmen in 1798, and the Indian revolutionaries of 1858. Neither defeat led to an acceptance of being occupied.
Imperial Japan said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
The Tamil Tigers said they wouldn't surrender, eventually they did.
A ceasefire now returning Hamas to running Gaza will just continue the circle of violence. Hamas surrendering will end it.
So the question is whether Ukrainian drones and F-16s can replicate the capabilities of the USAF. That's obviously a "no" in terms of 100% replication, but they'd be able to do so to an extent. Will it be enough? I don't know. It might be.
Gaza was not being blockaded pre-Hamas.
I would like to see an independent Palestine, but that can't happen under Hamas. Post-Hamas there might be a chance, however slim, of peace. With Hamas, there's none whatsoever.
Give peace a chance.
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Israeli Channel 13 reports Israeli officials saying: "Hamas has agreed to a softened Egyptian draft, which is not acceptable to Israel."
https://twitter.com/MahaGaza/status/1787526871598449150
Everyone wants a ceasefire but rushing to judgement on the details when nobody knows what is involved is unwise at this stage
Current reports are that the Israeli regime is briefing unattributably that it does not agree to the deal as it has been approved by the IRM.
AJ has not as yet published the details of the proposal that the IRM has accepted.
When one side surrenders, there's a window of opportunity to break the cycle.
A Hamas-free Palestine can be developed economically and give peace a chance. A blockaded Hamas-led Palestine can not.
Quite rightly too, they have to.
Neither were pre-Hamas. Post-Hamas they shouldn't either, but if there's a ceasefire then both will continue to do so and quite rightly too.
Then and only then might Hamas surrender.
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The only way to win a war is to fight it, its tragic, but that's the only option. When you eliminate the impossible, then whatever remains, however unpleasant, is the only realistic option.
I'd rather there be no war. Had Hamas not attacked, there wouldn't be one but they did and they won't stop, even if there's a ceasefire they'll be back for more - why would you want that?
Israel needs their Churchill.
"Peace" when it means surrendering to evil is not a good thing.
The arguments you are making is no different to those Lord Halifax was over 80 years ago.
Hamas are evil and need to be destroyed. I would like to see a free Palestinian state, but that is never going to happen if Hamas are in charge, even you have to know that.
So what does your "ceasefire" lead to? More misery? More hatred? More violence only postponed. Last six months achieving nothing? What's the freaking point of any of that?
Achievement unlocked! Jeremy Vine analyses my vote on live TV.
https://twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1787412744754409497
Destroy Hamas, then have a Marshall plan to develop Palestine afterwards. Carrot and stick.
Ceasefire achieves nothing.
I think the US and UK are pandering to people like you. I'm not.
We all supported Israel but enough is enough. They've gone too far. It's sad to see you go like this Bart.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/06/china-russia-republican-party-relations/678271/
THE NEW PROPAGANDA WAR
Autocrats in China, Russia, and elsewhere are now making common cause with MAGA Republicans to discredit liberalism and freedom around the world.
Eliminate 90% of a cancer and the cancer comes back.
Ceasefire now and the last six months, all the suffering, all the misery, will have been absolutely bloody pointless.
So a good ground game can save 20-30 seats, or not.
US State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller says a "military operation in Rafah right now would dramatically increase the suffering of the Palestinian people".
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1787543674999447571
It's asking people to predict the outcome.
i) She's right
ii) Nobody is listening to her
Still terrible of course but not quite at wipeout levels.
I hope not. Not even the admirable Forbes can convince me that there is a decent case against the union. The Scottish people may be another matter.
I want a better future for Palestinians. A Marshall Plan post-Hamas gives them an opportunity. A ceasefire and leaving Hamas in charge achieves nothing.
Causing all this harm to Palestinians without destroying Hamas is utterly pointless. Like going through chemotherapy but quitting halfway.
If I were the Tories I'd focus on seats 150-250 so basically forget the first 100 seats.
They probably won't, of course.
Negotiating with Hamas is like negotiating with Putin.