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Could the new SNP leader declare UDI? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,159
edited May 12 in General
Could the new SNP leader declare UDI? – politicalbetting.com

New: John Swinney faces a leadership contest after allGraeme McCormick, a veteran SNP activist and long-time leadership critic, tells me he has the required nominations to trigger a contest SNP hierarchy hoped Swinney was on course for a coronation when noms close noon Monday

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  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,060
    First
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,858
    Challenge or not, I still wish I'd got some of the 8/1 when the other guy quit.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,060
    FPT
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    South Korea is really keen to join AUKUS

    "South Korea wants to join AUKUS with US, UK and Australia

    South Korea has held talks about joining the AUKUS defense deal between the US, Britain and Australia, Defense Minister Shin Won-sik said, only weeks after the pact said it would consider including Japan"

    https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1787096647874359493

    KAUKUS!

    It is becoming the NATO of the 21st century, even better we can continuously rebuff French attempts to join, thereby humiliating them

    Let 'em replace Australia - they have much more technology capacity after all. SUKUS!
    Apparently Canada and NZ are also keen (makes sense - Five Eyes)

    What the heck do we call that?

    JACANZUKUS?

    Actually, that's not bad. Sounds like a spell from Harry Potter

    "JAKANZAKUS!!" And lo, China collapses
    The Pacific Rim Alliance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhE42Noj1Lw
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,616
    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 3,647
    So how long until Archer gets injured again?

    England needs to move on.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Trading bet like Hall?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,060

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    Inevitably...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lhzuH924bM
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Does this extravagantly shirted character have any chance at all against Mr. Excitement?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,616
    Dura_Ace said:

    Does this extravagantly shirted character have any chance at all against Mr. Excitement?

    Even less of a chance than Corbyn succeeding Ed Miliband.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,616
    kinabalu said:

    Trading bet like Hall?

    No.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,060
    With regards to the header, d'y'know what, fuck it: vote him in. Scotland can't spend its entire life complaining about the English and never doing something about it. He'll bring it to a head, one way or the other.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    viewcode said:

    FPT

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    South Korea is really keen to join AUKUS

    "South Korea wants to join AUKUS with US, UK and Australia

    South Korea has held talks about joining the AUKUS defense deal between the US, Britain and Australia, Defense Minister Shin Won-sik said, only weeks after the pact said it would consider including Japan"

    https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1787096647874359493

    KAUKUS!

    It is becoming the NATO of the 21st century, even better we can continuously rebuff French attempts to join, thereby humiliating them

    Let 'em replace Australia - they have much more technology capacity after all. SUKUS!
    Apparently Canada and NZ are also keen (makes sense - Five Eyes)

    What the heck do we call that?

    JACANZUKUS?

    Actually, that's not bad. Sounds like a spell from Harry Potter

    "JAKANZAKUS!!" And lo, China collapses
    The Pacific Rim Alliance

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhE42Noj1Lw
    Clearly France should join so it can be Faukus.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    kinabalu said:

    Trading bet like Hall?

    No.
    Probably right but here's the thinking:

    Is there a slight Jezza vibe here with McCormick? If so is there any sort of 2015 Labour vibe about the SNP?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    No
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    QTWTAIN.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,797
    edited May 5

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    Ever wonder why Junior Doctors go abroad? Even more than pay it is this sort of treatment:

    BBC News - Behind-scenes NHS problems leave new doctors without jobs
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68849847

    Without Foundation jobs they cannot work in UK medicine.
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,421
    Something has to happen regarding Scottish Independence. I might be wrong (I'm not a Scotch 😀 expert by a long chalk) but to me it feels like the SNP have sort of lost their mojo and Independence seems a long way down their list of priorities- which is understandable as they've actually been having to run the country once they got into power. The coming election feels like the perfect opportunity to recalibrate themselves and a robust "fuck you" to Westminster by the incoming leadership in the form of a declaration would be a great way to grab attention back towards Independence.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,747

    QTWTAIN.

    Headlines of which the description is 'clickbait'.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    I am continuing my promotion weekend bender at The Woolpack in Chilham, under new management. Recommended. No one seemed very interested in discussing the scandal of Ed Sheeran’s absence from Portman Road for the Miami GP though. Tsk.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Trading bet like Hall?

    No.
    Probably right but here's the thinking:

    Is there a slight Jezza vibe here with McCormick? If so is there any sort of 2015 Labour vibe about the SNP?
    There isn’t.
    ALBA adjacent types are getting excited by the thought of getting ‘their’ SNP back but the success of the cunning plan to get Alex Salmond in an Ash Regan skin suit to hold the SNP to ransom indicates their strategic nous.
  • megasaurmegasaur Posts: 586
    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    Ah. But there is fire.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    The thing I always found unrealistic about the LOTR universe is how they managed to reproduce with almost no females.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,077

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    wonderful actor
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,421
    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    I get it mate, I really hate unrealistic scenes, especially in epic fantasy adventures. Everyone knows elves are small, not human sized and riding horses. Unwatchable.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,060
    DougSeal said:

    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    Ah. But there is fire.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4p9o39/everything_i_appreciate_that_they_used_loose/
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,118
    Dura_Ace said:

    Does this extravagantly shirted character have any chance at all against Mr. Excitement?

    It's quite cool.

    He could hide as a camouflaged speed trap on a motorway roundabout.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,616
    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    Where do you stand on the menu controversy?

    In the film an orc says 'meat's back on the menu' after capturing Frodo.

    Do you think there were restaurants and takeaways in Middle Earth?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    .


    [Paying more to get less] it seems to me, also explains why the Tories are now in political freefall. Beyond the kind of explanations beloved of political pundits – about Partygate, the Liz Truss disaster and the plain fact that Rishi Sunak cannot do politics – large swaths of the country are now characterised by a sort of low hum of injustice, and people feeling that they have simply been conned. Their taxes have risen, interest rates have rocketed, bills have hugely increased and inflation has soared – and, contrary to the message in that Tory leaflet, wages have failed to keep pace. Last week, the Financial Times published analysis of official data showing that over the past three years, UK households have drastically reduced their spending on beer, bread, meat, recreation, furniture and more. Paying more and getting less, it seems, is now the basic national condition

    John Harris in bankrupt Thurrock

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/may/05/rishi-sunak-tories-local-elections-thurrock-tory-council
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,911

    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    Where do you stand on the menu controversy?

    In the film an orc says 'meat's back on the menu' after capturing Frodo.

    Do you think there were restaurants and takeaways in Middle Earth?
    Did you never dine at The Prancing Pony?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,978
    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,616

    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    Where do you stand on the menu controversy?

    In the film an orc says 'meat's back on the menu' after capturing Frodo.

    Do you think there were restaurants and takeaways in Middle Earth?
    Did you never dine at The Prancing Pony?
    I thought they only served booze.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767

    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    Where do you stand on the menu controversy?

    In the film an orc says 'meat's back on the menu' after capturing Frodo.

    Do you think there were restaurants and takeaways in Middle Earth?
    Surely they're not speaking English anyway?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    He’s defecting back to Labour?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    edited May 5

    Something has to happen regarding Scottish Independence. I might be wrong (I'm not a Scotch 😀 expert by a long chalk) but to me it feels like the SNP have sort of lost their mojo and Independence seems a long way down their list of priorities- which is understandable as they've actually been having to run the country once they got into power. The coming election feels like the perfect opportunity to recalibrate themselves and a robust "fuck you" to Westminster by the incoming leadership in the form of a declaration would be a great way to grab attention back towards Independence.

    This cunning plan would work better if most Scots wanted independence. The hard and consistent fact that they don't rather gets in the way.

    A further problem is that Scots are not fools. As and when they want independence they won't trust the sorts of people who would have it, and keep it, by vainglorious acts of unconstitutional sabotage.
  • legatuslegatus Posts: 126
    UDI would have no legal standing and over half the population of Scotland would ignore it - though likely to lead to the suspension of Holyrood and Direct Rule from Westminster or the pre-Devolution status quo ante.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Trading bet like Hall?

    No.
    Probably right but here's the thinking:

    Is there a slight Jezza vibe here with McCormick? If so is there any sort of 2015 Labour vibe about the SNP?
    There isn’t.
    ALBA adjacent types are getting excited by the thought of getting ‘their’ SNP back but the success of the cunning plan to get Alex Salmond in an Ash Regan skin suit to hold the SNP to ransom indicates their strategic nous.
    Ah ok. So is this bloke one of your "angry old men"?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    Can’t wait
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585

    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    Where do you stand on the menu controversy?

    In the film an orc says 'meat's back on the menu' after capturing Frodo.

    Do you think there were restaurants and takeaways in Middle Earth?
    Did you never dine at The Prancing Pony?
    I thought they only served booze.
    It's in Bree. Surely they at least had cheese?
    Hot soup, cold meats, blackberry tart, new loaves, slabs of butter, half a ripe cheese.

    At least for those staying the night.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    DougSeal said:

    I am continuing my promotion weekend bender at The Woolpack in Chilham, under new management. Recommended. No one seemed very interested in discussing the scandal of Ed Sheeran’s absence from Portman Road for the Miami GP though. Tsk.

    See you next season! You have a better chance of staying up I think. We're skint and will have a points deduction.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    Just wait when she encounters the Merchant of Venice....
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    Where do you stand on the menu controversy?

    In the film an orc says 'meat's back on the menu' after capturing Frodo.

    Do you think there were restaurants and takeaways in Middle Earth?
    The Hobbits get breakfast at the Prancing Pony in Bree while new mounts are found for them following the Black Rider unpleasantness the previous evening. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume they served food at other times as well.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    She knows how to wind up the old farts doesn't she! A chip off the old block.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    Yeah. You Boomers are easily riled.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,402
    ToryJim said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    He’s defecting back to Labour?
    Oh boy. That's possible.
  • legatuslegatus Posts: 126
    ToryJim said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    He’s defecting back to Labour?
    ToryJim said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    He’s defecting back to Labour?
    That strikes me as a possibility.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    Just wait when she encounters the Merchant of Venice....
    Gawd elp us

    She’s also really smart and likely to ace her A Levels (🙏) but that seems to provide no immunity to Woke lunacy

    On the other hand she thinks “noom” is a really good neologism. So hey Ho
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    ToryJim said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    He’s defecting back to Labour?
    Oh boy. That's possible.
    I’m surprised he recovered from the humiliation of being sacked by Truss.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    ToryJim said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    He’s defecting back to Labour?
    Oh boy. That's possible.
    Well he has been disappointed in Rishi over Islamophobia so he would have cause so to speak.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    I am continuing my promotion weekend bender at The Woolpack in Chilham, under new management. Recommended. No one seemed very interested in discussing the scandal of Ed Sheeran’s absence from Portman Road for the Miami GP though. Tsk.

    See you next season! You have a better chance of staying up I think. We're skint and will have a points deduction.
    I think we’re in better shape now than last time we went up. Which was, admittedly, a very long time ago now.

    So sorry to see about the Foxes travails though. The 2016 title was one of the great sporting stories of our time. You deserved this division’s title this year. We were both helped by Leeds’ inexplicable implosion though.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    She knows how to wind up the old farts doesn't she! A chip off the old block.
    She also REFUSES to call me “the Jay Rayner of Place”. Just a flat NO
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,895
    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    It’s Chisti time!!!
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,242
    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    "This island's mine..." being a tad problematic nowadays.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    "This island's mine..." being a tad problematic nowadays.
    She’s not happy about Caliban either
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    She knows how to wind up the old farts doesn't she! A chip off the old block.
    She also REFUSES to call me “the Jay Rayner of Place”. Just a flat NO
    Surprised that has bled into IRL. Bad enough on here.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    DougSeal said:

    I am continuing my promotion weekend bender at The Woolpack in Chilham, under new management. Recommended. No one seemed very interested in discussing the scandal of Ed Sheeran’s absence from Portman Road for the Miami GP though. Tsk.

    Reflects poorly on Ed, that.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,274
    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    Is this in relation to the Tories so desperate to hang onto Harlow council they’ve counted the councillor who was being investigated for Islamophobia to get a majority .
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    Just wait when she encounters the Merchant of Venice....
    Gawd elp us

    She’s also really smart and likely to ace her A Levels (🙏) but that seems to provide no immunity to Woke lunacy

    * snip silly comment about "noom"
    Smart young brains tend to be more open to new ways of looking at the world.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    kinabalu said:

    DougSeal said:

    I am continuing my promotion weekend bender at The Woolpack in Chilham, under new management. Recommended. No one seemed very interested in discussing the scandal of Ed Sheeran’s absence from Portman Road for the Miami GP though. Tsk.

    Reflects poorly on Ed, that.
    Ipswich or Miami for the weekend. Which would you choose? I mean, it’s obvious isn’t it?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,274
    Given Labours issues over Gaza if Chishti resigns the Tory whip I’d think he’d be more likely to become an independent than defect back to them .
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    Something has to happen regarding Scottish Independence. I might be wrong (I'm not a Scotch 😀 expert by a long chalk) but to me it feels like the SNP have sort of lost their mojo and Independence seems a long way down their list of priorities- which is understandable as they've actually been having to run the country once they got into power. The coming election feels like the perfect opportunity to recalibrate themselves and a robust "fuck you" to Westminster by the incoming leadership in the form of a declaration would be a great way to grab attention back towards Independence.

    I think there's something in this. They don't want to DO UDI. They want to TALK UDI.

    Which shows I guess independence isn't a serious prospect right now.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    DougSeal said:

    kinabalu said:

    DougSeal said:

    I am continuing my promotion weekend bender at The Woolpack in Chilham, under new management. Recommended. No one seemed very interested in discussing the scandal of Ed Sheeran’s absence from Portman Road for the Miami GP though. Tsk.

    Reflects poorly on Ed, that.
    Ipswich or Miami for the weekend. Which would you choose? I mean, it’s obvious isn’t it?
    Well I know what I'd choose.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,858
    Foxy said:

    Ever wonder why Junior Doctors go abroad? Even more than pay it is this sort of treatment:

    BBC News - Behind-scenes NHS problems leave new doctors without jobs
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68849847

    Without Foundation jobs they cannot work in UK medicine.

    I was taken to task for saying this before but the last minute nature of giving jobs to trainee doctors is absurd and anachronistic. Maybe the NHS needs more AI.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,414
    ToryJim said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    He’s defecting back to Labour?
    The Imam of Bray?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    nico679 said:

    Given Labours issues over Gaza if Chishti resigns the Tory whip I’d think he’d be more likely to become an independent than defect back to them .

    Would be a coup for them in that respect if he did though.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,911
    DougSeal said:

    kinabalu said:

    DougSeal said:

    I am continuing my promotion weekend bender at The Woolpack in Chilham, under new management. Recommended. No one seemed very interested in discussing the scandal of Ed Sheeran’s absence from Portman Road for the Miami GP though. Tsk.

    Reflects poorly on Ed, that.
    Ipswich or Miami for the weekend. Which would you choose? I mean, it’s obvious isn’t it?
    I'd imagine he'd rather be at the football, but his management signed him up to be at the Grand Prix

    Their 15% from Miami is quite a bit bigger than that on offer at Portman Road
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,118
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    "This island's mine..." being a tad problematic nowadays.
    She’s not happy about Caliban either
    Introduce her to the Government of China?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Freedland:

    Make no mistake, the core story contained in these numbers is yet more confirmation of the disastrous standing of the Conservative party. As loudly and clearly as they can, voters are telling the Tories that their time is up.

    All of which comes as sweet vindication for Keir Starmer and what we might call his receptacle strategy. His aim has been to turn Labour into the acceptable vessel of national discontent with the party that has governed Britain for 14 years. Voter fury, at first Boris Johnson and the partygate revelations and next Liz Truss’s sabotaging of the UK economy, saw trust in the Tories plunge – but it was never automatic that that would translate into support for Labour. Starmer’s central objective has been to remove every obstacle that could stand in the way of a disaffected Conservative contemplating a move towards the main party of opposition.

    Playing safe, saying nothing that could frighten the floating voter, might bring victory – but it doesn’t deliver a mandate.

    There is a subtler problem, more in the realm of vibes than policy. So keen to seem like the adults in an increasingly chaotic room, Starmer and, say, Rachel Reeves do now look the part of PM and chancellor. Voters will be impatient for results from Starmer and Reeves, because of the vague, albeit irrational and indeed unfair, sense that they have been around for years. They will be cut little slack.

    The Tories are so unpopular because so much is broken and there is not enough money to fix it. Right now, that is the Tories’ problem, one that promises to sweep them out of power. But once it has, it will become Labour’s problem. And it could hardly be more daunting.

  • Doogle1941Doogle1941 Posts: 22
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    Just wait when she encounters the Merchant of Venice....
    Gawd elp us

    She’s also really smart and likely to ace her A Levels (🙏) but that seems to provide no immunity to Woke lunacy

    * snip silly comment about "noom"
    Smart young brains tend to be more open to new ways of looking at the world.
    The reason young people are 'triggered' is because of all the brainwashing they have received via education and the msm that has surreptitiously enrolled them as cult members. When they meet reality it is difficult to handle.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,044
    George Galloway hangs up on Lewis Goodall after being asked to explain why he said ‘gay relationships aren’t equal’

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/george-galloway-hangs-up-asked-explain-gay-relationships-not-normal/
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,118
    Perun: Race for the Arctic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGLZTgkIse8
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,402
    IanB2 said:

    Freedland:

    Make no mistake, the core story contained in these numbers is yet more confirmation of the disastrous standing of the Conservative party. As loudly and clearly as they can, voters are telling the Tories that their time is up.

    All of which comes as sweet vindication for Keir Starmer and what we might call his receptacle strategy. His aim has been to turn Labour into the acceptable vessel of national discontent with the party that has governed Britain for 14 years. Voter fury, at first Boris Johnson and the partygate revelations and next Liz Truss’s sabotaging of the UK economy, saw trust in the Tories plunge – but it was never automatic that that would translate into support for Labour. Starmer’s central objective has been to remove every obstacle that could stand in the way of a disaffected Conservative contemplating a move towards the main party of opposition.

    Playing safe, saying nothing that could frighten the floating voter, might bring victory – but it doesn’t deliver a mandate.

    There is a subtler problem, more in the realm of vibes than policy. So keen to seem like the adults in an increasingly chaotic room, Starmer and, say, Rachel Reeves do now look the part of PM and chancellor. Voters will be impatient for results from Starmer and Reeves, because of the vague, albeit irrational and indeed unfair, sense that they have been around for years. They will be cut little slack.

    The Tories are so unpopular because so much is broken and there is not enough money to fix it. Right now, that is the Tories’ problem, one that promises to sweep them out of power. But once it has, it will become Labour’s problem. And it could hardly be more daunting.

    Yep.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    Just wait when she encounters the Merchant of Venice....
    Gawd elp us

    She’s also really smart and likely to ace her A Levels (🙏) but that seems to provide no immunity to Woke lunacy

    * snip silly comment about "noom"
    Smart young brains tend to be more open to new ways of looking at the world.
    The reason young people are 'triggered' is because of all the brainwashing they have received via education and the msm that has surreptitiously enrolled them as cult members. When they meet reality it is difficult to handle.
    What, the reality of The Tempest?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    George Galloway hangs up on Lewis Goodall after being asked to explain why he said ‘gay relationships aren’t equal’

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/george-galloway-hangs-up-asked-explain-gay-relationships-not-normal/

    Galloway's quite the social reactionary, isn't he.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    kinabalu said:

    DougSeal said:

    I am continuing my promotion weekend bender at The Woolpack in Chilham, under new management. Recommended. No one seemed very interested in discussing the scandal of Ed Sheeran’s absence from Portman Road for the Miami GP though. Tsk.

    Reflects poorly on Ed, that.
    Ipswich or Miami for the weekend. Which would you choose? I mean, it’s obvious isn’t it?
    I'd imagine he'd rather be at the football, but his management signed him up to be at the Grand Prix

    Their 15% from Miami is quite a bit bigger than that on offer at Portman Road
    Fair
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,274
    DougSeal said:

    nico679 said:

    Given Labours issues over Gaza if Chishti resigns the Tory whip I’d think he’d be more likely to become an independent than defect back to them .

    Would be a coup for them in that respect if he did though.
    Yes given Labours recent travails it would be a vote of confidence in them on that issue . I’m surprised the media haven’t made more of the Harlow council issue . Of course if it was Labour using someone under investigation for anti- semitism it would have been all over the news !
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782
    FPT @Jossiasjessop I'm clearly not expressing myself well because what you posted was the point I was making in the ongoing argument and you obviously thought I was making the opposite argument.

    If you want a speedo on a bike fine, but it is not necessary because:

    a) if you are going through a built up area you shouldn't be anywhere near the speed limit anyway. To do so is plain dangerous as you could hit a pedestrian, be hit by a car coming out of a side road, be thrown by a pot hole and go under a car or swerve around a pot hole and get hit by a car. You should be well below the speed limit. I tend to go through at less than 10 mph loads below the limit and I'm not going to look at the speedo then anyway because it is so busy and to do so would be dangerous.

    b) If you are on the open road then when it is clear you can glance down to the speedo, but as you say if you are pushing the speed limit of 30 - 50 mph (something I couldn't imagine doing) you damn well shouldn't be looking down at a speedo. You can only see 1 metre in front of you then and at that speed it is highly dangerous. If you hit a pot hole you are a gonner.

    I suspect like me you are cycling between 10 and 25 mph and at those speeds you can afford a glance at the speedo (although I probably wouldn't much above 15 mph) but this is so much below the speed limit it is academic.

    Speedos on bikes are useful for various reasons, but they should never be used to check you are below the speed limit. If you are going that fast you shouldn't be taking your eyes off the road and you should never be doing it in a built up area anyway.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,797
    Snigger. The SNP are more broke than a broken thing. They need a contested election with all the costs of that like a hole in the head. They will also have to give an update on their membership numbers again which they could do without.

    Yousaf has left a complete shambles behind him. In fairness to him he inherited exactly the same. What we need now are some more charges. A small soupcon of misery added to the dish.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,118
    edited May 5
    kinabalu said:

    George Galloway hangs up on Lewis Goodall after being asked to explain why he said ‘gay relationships aren’t equal’

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/george-galloway-hangs-up-asked-explain-gay-relationships-not-normal/

    Galloway's quite the social reactionary, isn't he.
    It's a move forward from threatening to sue everyone.
    (Sorry - the site stretching small images again.)


  • OllyOlly Posts: 42
    kinabalu said:

    George Galloway hangs up on Lewis Goodall after being asked to explain why he said ‘gay relationships aren’t equal’

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/george-galloway-hangs-up-asked-explain-gay-relationships-not-normal/

    Galloway's quite the social reactionary, isn't he.
    He is. Hes pretty anti women too if you listen to what he says. Of course that fits in well with the views of his target constituency.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,812
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    Just wait when she encounters the Merchant of Venice....
    Gawd elp us

    She’s also really smart and likely to ace her A Levels (🙏) but that seems to provide no immunity to Woke lunacy

    On the other hand she thinks “noom” is a really good neologism. So hey Ho
    Except that a diet app and a Ukrainian furniture shop have beaten you to it!

    https://www.noom.com
    https://www.noom-home.com/
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,855

    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    It’s Chisti time!!!
    HE'S BACK!!!! This could be what turns it around for the Tories.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,060
    DougSeal said:

    megasaur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bernard Hill has died.

    This scene featuring Bernard Hill gave me the horn.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwJOxN_gXc

    One of the greatest scenes in all of the films. Although the breaking of Gandalf's staff was a weird addition.
    The order to the orcs to shoot arrows is "Fire." In a world without firearms. I can never watch this film.
    Where do you stand on the menu controversy?

    In the film an orc says 'meat's back on the menu' after capturing Frodo.

    Do you think there were restaurants and takeaways in Middle Earth?
    The Hobbits get breakfast at the Prancing Pony in Bree while new mounts are found for them following the Black Rider unpleasantness the previous evening. I don’t think it’s a stretch to assume they served food at other times as well.
    Gastropubs. Reviewed by Giles Coren-Baggins. Who got his job on merit AND FOR NO OTHER REASON.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,060

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    Just wait when she encounters the Merchant of Venice....
    Gawd elp us

    She’s also really smart and likely to ace her A Levels (🙏) but that seems to provide no immunity to Woke lunacy

    * snip silly comment about "noom"
    Smart young brains tend to be more open to new ways of looking at the world.
    The reason young people are 'triggered' is because of all the brainwashing they have received via education and the msm that has surreptitiously enrolled them as cult members. When they meet reality it is difficult to handle.
    That rather assumes that young people get all their info from education and the msm and don't go online.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    Just wait when she encounters the Merchant of Venice....
    Gawd elp us

    She’s also really smart and likely to ace her A Levels (🙏) but that seems to provide no immunity to Woke lunacy

    * snip silly comment about "noom"
    Smart young brains tend to be more open to new ways of looking at the world.
    The reason young people are 'triggered' is because of all the brainwashing they have received via education and the msm that has surreptitiously enrolled them as cult members. When they meet reality it is difficult to handle.
    Ah, yes, because The Tempest is much closer to reality than anything in 'the msm'. Wake up sheeple!!1!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,797
    kinabalu said:

    George Galloway hangs up on Lewis Goodall after being asked to explain why he said ‘gay relationships aren’t equal’

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/george-galloway-hangs-up-asked-explain-gay-relationships-not-normal/

    Galloway's quite the social reactionary, isn't he.
    The only good thing about him is his impression of a cat. Creepy, but good.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457

    George Galloway hangs up on Lewis Goodall after being asked to explain why he said ‘gay relationships aren’t equal’

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/george-galloway-hangs-up-asked-explain-gay-relationships-not-normal/

    "How dare you edit my homophobia to remove the transphobia?!"
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    IanB2 said:

    Freedland:

    Make no mistake, the core story contained in these numbers is yet more confirmation of the disastrous standing of the Conservative party. As loudly and clearly as they can, voters are telling the Tories that their time is up.

    All of which comes as sweet vindication for Keir Starmer and what we might call his receptacle strategy. His aim has been to turn Labour into the acceptable vessel of national discontent with the party that has governed Britain for 14 years. Voter fury, at first Boris Johnson and the partygate revelations and next Liz Truss’s sabotaging of the UK economy, saw trust in the Tories plunge – but it was never automatic that that would translate into support for Labour. Starmer’s central objective has been to remove every obstacle that could stand in the way of a disaffected Conservative contemplating a move towards the main party of opposition.

    Playing safe, saying nothing that could frighten the floating voter, might bring victory – but it doesn’t deliver a mandate.

    There is a subtler problem, more in the realm of vibes than policy. So keen to seem like the adults in an increasingly chaotic room, Starmer and, say, Rachel Reeves do now look the part of PM and chancellor. Voters will be impatient for results from Starmer and Reeves, because of the vague, albeit irrational and indeed unfair, sense that they have been around for years. They will be cut little slack.

    The Tories are so unpopular because so much is broken and there is not enough money to fix it. Right now, that is the Tories’ problem, one that promises to sweep them out of power. But once it has, it will become Labour’s problem. And it could hardly be more daunting.

    Yep.
    The first bit is a "yep" but not for me the second bit. I think Starmer will be cut plenty of slack when he takes over. Expectations are muted. A big majority combined with a public not pumped up with unrealistic hopes for radical change - what a terrific political legacy to inherit.

    It's the sweetest of sweet spots. Unusual too. So much so that I can't think of a precedent. Can anybody?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,043
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    My older daughter, all of 17, has just this minute sternly dismissed “The Tempest” because it exhibits “colonial attitudes”

    What a generation

    "This island's mine..." being a tad problematic nowadays.
    She’s not happy about Caliban either
    Why is that wrong ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    Scott_xP said:

    @Rehman_Chishti

    A personal statement coming shortly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehman_Chishti#Leadership_bid

    "On 10 July 2022 Chishti announced his bid to succeed Boris Johnson in the Conservative Party leadership election.[48] He withdrew two days later, having failed to win the support of any other Conservative MPs,[49] before endorsing Tom Tugendhat[50] and subsequently Rishi Sunak.[51] He had been appointed Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for North America, Sanctions and Consular Policy on 8 July 2022 by Prime Minister Boris Johnson, but was sacked by Liz Truss when she succeeded him in September 2022.[52]"
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,797
    MattW said:
    Hope they brought their trunks. Its getting wet up there.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Olly said:

    kinabalu said:

    George Galloway hangs up on Lewis Goodall after being asked to explain why he said ‘gay relationships aren’t equal’

    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/george-galloway-hangs-up-asked-explain-gay-relationships-not-normal/

    Galloway's quite the social reactionary, isn't he.
    He is. Hes pretty anti women too if you listen to what he says. Of course that fits in well with the views of his target constituency.
    He's a cliched pale/male/stale unit who loves the sound of his own voice and delivers reactionary platitudes in a pompous manner. Happens to want to nationalize things etc and is on the 'right' side (imo) of Israel/Palestine but I'm extremely averse to him.
  • Doogle1941Doogle1941 Posts: 22
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    Freedland:

    Make no mistake, the core story contained in these numbers is yet more confirmation of the disastrous standing of the Conservative party. As loudly and clearly as they can, voters are telling the Tories that their time is up.

    All of which comes as sweet vindication for Keir Starmer and what we might call his receptacle strategy. His aim has been to turn Labour into the acceptable vessel of national discontent with the party that has governed Britain for 14 years. Voter fury, at first Boris Johnson and the partygate revelations and next Liz Truss’s sabotaging of the UK economy, saw trust in the Tories plunge – but it was never automatic that that would translate into support for Labour. Starmer’s central objective has been to remove every obstacle that could stand in the way of a disaffected Conservative contemplating a move towards the main party of opposition.

    Playing safe, saying nothing that could frighten the floating voter, might bring victory – but it doesn’t deliver a mandate.

    There is a subtler problem, more in the realm of vibes than policy. So keen to seem like the adults in an increasingly chaotic room, Starmer and, say, Rachel Reeves do now look the part of PM and chancellor. Voters will be impatient for results from Starmer and Reeves, because of the vague, albeit irrational and indeed unfair, sense that they have been around for years. They will be cut little slack.

    The Tories are so unpopular because so much is broken and there is not enough money to fix it. Right now, that is the Tories’ problem, one that promises to sweep them out of power. But once it has, it will become Labour’s problem. And it could hardly be more daunting.

    Yep.
    The first bit is a "yep" but not for me the second bit. I think Starmer will be cut plenty of slack when he takes over. Expectations are muted. A big majority combined with a public not pumped up with unrealistic hopes for radical change - what a terrific political legacy to inherit.

    It's the sweetest of sweet spots. Unusual too. So much so that I can't think of a precedent. Can anybody?
    I would argue that the 'influences' over the Conservative government are deliberately destroying the country. These same conditions will equally apply over a Labour government. It really doesn't matter how unpopular the government is. Democracy has been bypassed.
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