This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
I remember when motorists of a certain generation didn't think the law of the land applied to them, from the howling when the breathalysers came in. Evidently they haven't changed.
When those in charge of the go safe cameras say they will not prosecute under 26mph and the government itself is changing the legislation then it is not comparable nor is it political
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
The ludicrous Sky analysis by Thrasher has resulted in this nonsense.
Profs Thrasher and Rallings are two of the three best election experts in the country, along with John Curtice. I'd be a bit sceptical about trashing their analysis of the results.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
I remember when motorists of a certain generation didn't think the law of the land applied to them, from the howling when the breathalysers came in. Evidently they haven't changed.
When those in charge of the go safe cameras say they will not prosecute under 26mph and the government itself is changing the legislation then it is not comparable nor is it political
You can't pick and choose which laws you abide by.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
I remember when motorists of a certain generation didn't think the law of the land applied to them, from the howling when the breathalysers came in. Evidently they haven't changed.
When those in charge of the go safe cameras say they will not prosecute under 26mph and the government itself is changing the legislation then it is not comparable nor is it political
It is *extremely* political. We've had the Tories base a whole campaign for Mayor of London on ULEZ cameras and nothing else.
Edit: almost nothing else - but I don't want to talk about the other stuff, for obvious reasons.
The ludicrous Sky analysis by Thrasher has resulted in this nonsense.
Profs Thrasher and Rallings are two of the three best election experts in the country, along with John Curtice. I'd be a bit sceptical about trashing their analysis of the results.
Absolutely right. A hung parliament is a Clear and Present Danger. So absolutely everyone needs to stop and think about who they need to vote for to avoid that and Absolutely Must come out and vote.
Truss is a LibDem sleeper. Apparently Sunak is a Labour sleeper. Because leading the Labour get out the vote operation is an unusual strategy for the Tory leader
The ludicrous Sky analysis by Thrasher has resulted in this nonsense.
Profs Thrasher and Rallings are two of the three best election experts in the country, along with John Curtice. I'd be a bit sceptical about trashing their analysis of the results.
Absolutely right. A hung parliament is a Clear and Present Danger. So absolutely everyone needs to stop and think about who they need to vote for to avoid that and Absolutely Must come out and vote.
Truss is a LibDem sleeper. Apparently Sunak is a Labour sleeper. Because leading the Labour get out the vote operation is an unusual strategy for the Tory leader
Except when it is Scotland where a hung parliament is exactly what the Unionist creators of the voting system wanted.
The ludicrous Sky analysis by Thrasher has resulted in this nonsense.
Profs Thrasher and Rallings are two of the three best election experts in the country, along with John Curtice. I'd be a bit sceptical about trashing their analysis of the results.
It would be more acceptable if they were using data from Scotland and Wales aswell . Even then it’s ridiculous to not factor in that the Lib Dems , Greens and Independent votes would be lower at a GE .
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
I remember when motorists of a certain generation didn't think the law of the land applied to them, from the howling when the breathalysers came in. Evidently they haven't changed.
When those in charge of the go safe cameras say they will not prosecute under 26mph and the government itself is changing the legislation then it is not comparable nor is it political
You can't pick and choose which laws you abide by.
Tell that to the tens of thousands of drivers in Wales when 26mph is the defacto law or the bus drivers or taxi drivers who do not keep to 20mph
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
I remember when motorists of a certain generation didn't think the law of the land applied to them, from the howling when the breathalysers came in. Evidently they haven't changed.
When those in charge of the go safe cameras say they will not prosecute under 26mph and the government itself is changing the legislation then it is not comparable nor is it political
You can't pick and choose which laws you abide by.
Why isn't the law on begging applied in big cities? Also the cannabis laws.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
I remember when motorists of a certain generation didn't think the law of the land applied to them, from the howling when the breathalysers came in. Evidently they haven't changed.
When those in charge of the go safe cameras say they will not prosecute under 26mph and the government itself is changing the legislation then it is not comparable nor is it political
You can't pick and choose which laws you abide by.
Tell that to the tens of thousands of drivers in Wales when 26mph is the defacto law or the bus drivers or taxi drivers who do not keep to 20mph
Because of the behaviour of the Conservatives in urging lawbreaking and mass disrespect for the law.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
I remember when motorists of a certain generation didn't think the law of the land applied to them, from the howling when the breathalysers came in. Evidently they haven't changed.
When those in charge of the go safe cameras say they will not prosecute under 26mph and the government itself is changing the legislation then it is not comparable nor is it political
It is *extremely* political. We've had the Tories base a whole campaign for Mayor of London on ULEZ cameras and nothing else.
Edit: almost nothing else - but I don't want to talk about the other stuff, for obvious reasons.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
McCormick couldn't even become FM even in the unlikely event he beat Swinney as he is not an MSP let alone declare UDI.
However even if he did become SNP leader, the SNP won a majority of MPs at the next general election and had more seats than Unionists at Holyrood still and he became an MSP and FM and then declare UDI that would be constitutionally illegal without Westminster consent as Holyrood's powers are devolved from Westminster and the Crown. Direct rule would be imposed in such an event from London until such time as the matter was resolved, just as Madrid imposed direct rule on Catalonia when the Catalan nationalist government declared UDI in 2017
What about the tanks? It’s not an HYUFD comment on Scottish UDI without mention of tanks.
That didn't last long. Mr Stripy Shirt has reconsidered.
ohn Swinney to be crowned SNP leader unopposed on Monday after persuading last-ditch no-hoper contender Graeme McCormick NOT to run against him (despite passing nominations threshold). So.. what was McCormick offered?!
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
I expect you will have an interesting experience if you try your Edinburgh driving here in North Wales
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
I remember when motorists of a certain generation didn't think the law of the land applied to them, from the howling when the breathalysers came in. Evidently they haven't changed.
When those in charge of the go safe cameras say they will not prosecute under 26mph and the government itself is changing the legislation then it is not comparable nor is it political
You can't pick and choose which laws you abide by.
Tell that to the tens of thousands of drivers in Wales when 26mph is the defacto law or the bus drivers or taxi drivers who do not keep to 20mph
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
I do wonder what will happen when the first child is killed in a former 20mph zone. Some residents are clearly unhappy about the u-turn.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Imposed by ... *drumroll*... the Conservatives!
Happily, the Scottish Conservatives have not yet got into mass lawbreaking and attacks on the Rule of Law.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Imposed by ... *drumroll*... the Conservatives!
Happily, the Scottish Conservatives have not yet got into mass lawbreaking and attacks on the Rule of Law.
If I lived in places like Lauder, I’d want 20mph. It’s not “anti-motorist”, it’s pro-sanity
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
I expect you will have an interesting experience if you try your Edinburgh driving here in North Wales
I've previously found Welsh people decent, considerate and friendly. I hope that hasn't changed.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Imposed by ... *drumroll*... the Conservatives!
Happily, the Scottish Conservatives have not yet got into mass lawbreaking and attacks on the Rule of Law.
If I lived in places like Lauder, I’d want 20mph. It’s not “anti-motorist”, it’s pro-sanity
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
I expect you will have an interesting experience if you try your Edinburgh driving here in North Wales
I've previously found Welsh people decent, considerate and friendly. I hope that hasn't changed.
Of course it hasn't
Indeed if you plan your visit from September the changes should be implemented making the whole scheme acceptable and workable with many 20mph zones retained
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Must we do this again? No one objects to 20 mph zones where justified. In Wales there was a blanket imposition with no respect to whether that speed limit was needed. Even the Welsh government thinks this was an error. Twenty miles per hour is totally appropriate outside schools, in many built up areas etc. Accudents at 20 are far less damaging than at 30. We get that.
In an ideal world drivers would use the speed appropriate for the road and conditions. In the real world limits apply, but are also often ignored. Bath has imposed 20 mph zones in many places. Most drivers exceed 20. Arguably they are slowed down from previously, when it was 30. It will probably save lives, avoid injuries. But it was applied with some thought, and not just a blanket imposition.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Imposed by ... *drumroll*... the Conservatives!
Happily, the Scottish Conservatives have not yet got into mass lawbreaking and attacks on the Rule of Law.
If I lived in places like Lauder, I’d want 20mph. It’s not “anti-motorist”, it’s pro-sanity
Lots of HGVs use those main routes and so 20mph becomes even more important compared with a traffic calmed residential area with little traffic.
A stray thought on pet Chihuahuas: I love most dogs, but make an exception for almost all the dogs of that breed. Recently, it occurred to me that they might be so annoying because they somehow know that Mexicans used to eat many of them. (It's a crazy idea, but consistent with the facts, as far I know them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahua_(dog_breed) )
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Must we do this again? No one objects to 20 mph zones where justified. In Wales there was a blanket imposition with no respect to whether that speed limit was needed. Even the Welsh government thinks this was an error. Twenty miles per hour is totally appropriate outside schools, in many built up areas etc. Accudents at 20 are far less damaging than at 30. We get that.
In an ideal world drivers would use the speed appropriate for the road and conditions. In the real world limits apply, but are also often ignored. Bath has imposed 20 mph zones in many places. Most drivers exceed 20. Arguably they are slowed down from previously, when it was 30. It will probably save lives, avoid injuries. But it was applied with some thought, and not just a blanket imposition.
And as you know it’s up to *the councils* to set the speed limit. 30 became 20. But who sets where those 20s are? The council.
What kills me about all the wailing and gnashing over 20mph / LTNs / ULEZ / CAZ etc etc is the entitled angry man syndrome, where our time is critical and our rights override anyone else’s rights. 20mph slows you down. So does traffic. Set off slightly earlier.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Must we do this again? No one objects to 20 mph zones where justified. In Wales there was a blanket imposition with no respect to whether that speed limit was needed. Even the Welsh government thinks this was an error. Twenty miles per hour is totally appropriate outside schools, in many built up areas etc. Accudents at 20 are far less damaging than at 30. We get that.
In an ideal world drivers would use the speed appropriate for the road and conditions. In the real world limits apply, but are also often ignored. Bath has imposed 20 mph zones in many places. Most drivers exceed 20. Arguably they are slowed down from previously, when it was 30. It will probably save lives, avoid injuries. But it was applied with some thought, and not just a blanket imposition.
And that is the position of the Welsh government, there is widespread approval of 20mph zones by schools, hospitals, villages and congested areas
I fear there is a misunderstanding by some on just how badly it was implemented and how much work the Welsh government, local authorities and residents groups are putting into the changes due in September
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Must we do this again? No one objects to 20 mph zones where justified. In Wales there was a blanket imposition with no respect to whether that speed limit was needed. Even the Welsh government thinks this was an error. Twenty miles per hour is totally appropriate outside schools, in many built up areas etc. Accudents at 20 are far less damaging than at 30. We get that.
In an ideal world drivers would use the speed appropriate for the road and conditions. In the real world limits apply, but are also often ignored. Bath has imposed 20 mph zones in many places. Most drivers exceed 20. Arguably they are slowed down from previously, when it was 30. It will probably save lives, avoid injuries. But it was applied with some thought, and not just a blanket imposition.
It's not just that the 20mph reduces the severity of collisions. It reduces the chance of a collision happening in the first place. They reckon a 40% fall in Edinburgh.
The problem with 20mph zones is that people get hit by drivers throughout built up areas. Outside schools, for example, is great for kids being driven to school, but does very little for those walking or cycling across a village or town.
The ludicrous Sky analysis by Thrasher has resulted in this nonsense.
Profs Thrasher and Rallings are two of the three best election experts in the country, along with John Curtice. I'd be a bit sceptical about trashing their analysis of the results.
It would be more acceptable if they were using data from Scotland and Wales aswell . Even then it’s ridiculous to not factor in that the Lib Dems , Greens and Independent votes would be lower at a GE .
They might be lower overall, but that would not be relevant if the parties were concentrating on a smaller number of selected constituencies.
That is why it is a mistake on the part of some number-crunchers to apply nation-wide percentages to these constituencies. They get their results wrong.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Must we do this again? No one objects to 20 mph zones where justified. In Wales there was a blanket imposition with no respect to whether that speed limit was needed. Even the Welsh government thinks this was an error. Twenty miles per hour is totally appropriate outside schools, in many built up areas etc. Accudents at 20 are far less damaging than at 30. We get that.
In an ideal world drivers would use the speed appropriate for the road and conditions. In the real world limits apply, but are also often ignored. Bath has imposed 20 mph zones in many places. Most drivers exceed 20. Arguably they are slowed down from previously, when it was 30. It will probably save lives, avoid injuries. But it was applied with some thought, and not just a blanket imposition.
And that is the position of the Welsh government, there is widespread approval of 20mph zones by schools, hospitals, villages and congested areas
I fear there is a misunderstanding by some on just how badly it was implemented and how much work the Welsh government, local authorities and residents groups are putting into the changes due in September
The clear impression that has been given is that 20mph will be withdrawn from many villages and built up areas. We'll see, anyway.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Must we do this again? No one objects to 20 mph zones where justified. In Wales there was a blanket imposition with no respect to whether that speed limit was needed. Even the Welsh government thinks this was an error. Twenty miles per hour is totally appropriate outside schools, in many built up areas etc. Accudents at 20 are far less damaging than at 30. We get that.
In an ideal world drivers would use the speed appropriate for the road and conditions. In the real world limits apply, but are also often ignored. Bath has imposed 20 mph zones in many places. Most drivers exceed 20. Arguably they are slowed down from previously, when it was 30. It will probably save lives, avoid injuries. But it was applied with some thought, and not just a blanket imposition.
And as you know it’s up to *the councils* to set the speed limit. 30 became 20. But who sets where those 20s are? The council.
What kills me about all the wailing and gnashing over 20mph / LTNs / ULEZ / CAZ etc etc is the entitled angry man syndrome, where our time is critical and our rights override anyone else’s rights. 20mph slows you down. So does traffic. Set off slightly earlier.
You need to understand that the Welsh government's instructions to Council are about to change on their own admission errors have been made and the councils will be given the power to review the changes under the new advice from the Welsh office
Nobody is suggesting 20mph are not good in the area of schools, hospitals, residential areas, or villages but large areas of North Wales are not villages but interconnected towns and it has caused havoc with bus services and taxis which is recognised
This is not an angry man syndrome, but a real issue and also an economic one and the answer is to make it work which the Welsh government are intent on doing
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
I remember when motorists of a certain generation didn't think the law of the land applied to them, from the howling when the breathalysers came in. Evidently they haven't changed.
When neither the police,politicians or civil servants respect the rule of law why the fuck should the rest of us?
ohn Swinney to be crowned SNP leader unopposed on Monday after persuading last-ditch no-hoper contender Graeme McCormick NOT to run against him (despite passing nominations threshold). So.. what was McCormick offered?!
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Must we do this again? No one objects to 20 mph zones where justified. In Wales there was a blanket imposition with no respect to whether that speed limit was needed. Even the Welsh government thinks this was an error. Twenty miles per hour is totally appropriate outside schools, in many built up areas etc. Accudents at 20 are far less damaging than at 30. We get that.
In an ideal world drivers would use the speed appropriate for the road and conditions. In the real world limits apply, but are also often ignored. Bath has imposed 20 mph zones in many places. Most drivers exceed 20. Arguably they are slowed down from previously, when it was 30. It will probably save lives, avoid injuries. But it was applied with some thought, and not just a blanket imposition.
And that is the position of the Welsh government, there is widespread approval of 20mph zones by schools, hospitals, villages and congested areas
I fear there is a misunderstanding by some on just how badly it was implemented and how much work the Welsh government, local authorities and residents groups are putting into the changes due in September
The clear impression that has been given is that 20mph will be withdrawn from many villages and built up areas. We'll see, anyway.
But more importantly: good night and keep well.
Actually I think you may have identified a misunderstanding because it will not be withdrawn from villages or residential areas but many interconnected roads in North Wales will be revised as decided under the new policy from Cardiff
And good night and thank you - I still struggle but accept that modern medicine has given me a chance of a wee while longer to see Starmer in no 10
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
It was an illustration of the Blob in action
Braverman is a backbencher. She hasn't got civil servant staff.
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
It was an illustration of the Blob in action
Braverman is a backbencher. She hasn't got civil servant staff.
She is the poster child for everything that is wrong in the conservative party and should join Reform which is where she belongs
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
It was an illustration of the Blob in action
Braverman is a backbencher. She hasn't got civil servant staff.
i presume they were talking about her time when she was a minister
Hence the past tense: despiseD, and felt obligeD, and it DIDN'T
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
It was an illustration of the Blob in action
Braverman is a backbencher. She hasn't got civil servant staff.
i presume then they were talking about her time when she was a minister
I heard something similar while sitting outside having a drink at that German Gymnasium place in Kings Cross/ Coal Drops Yard a few months ago. Sitting near to me were what were obviously a group of young civil servants, chatting about how awful the Tories were. Didn't bother to keep their voices down.
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
It was an illustration of the Blob in action
Braverman is a backbencher. She hasn't got civil servant staff.
She is the poster child for everything that is wrong in the conservative party and should join Reform which is where she belongs
If you add in swingback, Reform collapsing, a fantastic economy, Rwanda, the fear of a coalition of chaos, Rishi is looking at a healthy majority. Or it could be utter bollocks.
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
It was an illustration of the Blob in action
Braverman is a backbencher. She hasn't got civil servant staff.
Even if it was 'worked for' previously I don't really buy the story. Yes, we've all seen stories of moaning civil servants in the Home Office or whatever, and of course the nefarious interferences of Sir Humphrey on screen, but personally I take pride in working professionally regardless of who it is for, and most people choosing to work for the civil service would I am sure feel the same way.
Indeed, departments are so huge and working on so many things I don't find the idea of a cohesive blob going slow or deliberately poorly very plausible, even if isolated examples exist.
That's not how most people act even in jobs they don't like or for bosses they don't like, especially when day to day few will have direct interaction with even the decisions of a minister. People try to do a good job, or make things better as best they can within constraints they may dislike.
And even if we accept ill motivations of the Sir Humphreys, remember even then pride was taken in doing a job well. Humphrey: It's my job to carry out government policy.
Hacker: Even if you think it's wrong?
Humphrey: Well, practically all government policy is wrong! But, frightfully well carried out.
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
It was an illustration of the Blob in action
Braverman is a backbencher. She hasn't got civil servant staff.
i presume then they were talking about her time when she was a minister
I heard something similar while sitting outside having a drink at that German Gymnasium place in Kings Cross/ Coal Drops Yard a few months ago. Sitting near to me were what were obviously a group of young civil servants, chatting about how awful the Tories were. Didn't bother to keep their voices down.
Whilst I can understand the “civil servants shouldn’t do that” approach, this is like The Thick of It and the government policy is “let’s get rid of computers”
It isn’t an outrage for the civil service to react “that’s fucking mental”
If you add in swingback, Reform collapsing, a fantastic economy, Rwanda, the fear of a coalition of chaos Rishi is looking at a healthy majority. Or it could be utter bollocks.
Do we normally extrapolate a GE from locals?
Many do, but in the 'it passes the time' sense only.
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
It was an illustration of the Blob in action
Braverman is a backbencher. She hasn't got civil servant staff.
i presume then they were talking about her time when she was a minister
I heard something similar while sitting outside having a drink at that German Gymnasium place in Kings Cross/ Coal Drops Yard a few months ago. Sitting near to me were what were obviously a group of young civil servants, chatting about how awful the Tories were. Didn't bother to keep their voices down.
Well when you wage a culture war against the young and well-educated, what do you expect?
If you add in swingback, Reform collapsing, a fantastic economy, Rwanda, the fear of a coalition of chaos Rishi is looking at a healthy majority. Or it could be utter bollocks.
Do we normally extrapolate a GE from locals?
It is silly because as I understand it Scotland and Wales are excluded which should see Starmer add upto 60 odd
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
It was an illustration of the Blob in action
Braverman is a backbencher. She hasn't got civil servant staff.
i presume then they were talking about her time when she was a minister
I heard something similar while sitting outside having a drink at that German Gymnasium place in Kings Cross/ Coal Drops Yard a few months ago. Sitting near to me were what were obviously a group of young civil servants, chatting about how awful the Tories were. Didn't bother to keep their voices down.
Neither civil nor servants?
Although strictly speaking I think they are serving the state (crown), not government ministers
If you add in swingback, Reform collapsing, a fantastic economy, Rwanda, the fear of a coalition of chaos, Rishi is looking at a healthy majority. Or it could be utter bollocks.
If you add in swingback, Reform collapsing, a fantastic economy, Rwanda, the fear of a coalition of chaos, Rishi is looking at a healthy majority. Or it could be utter bollocks.
Do we normally extrapolate a GE from locals?
Swingback should already have largely happened - indeed during the formal election campaign period it tends to go into reverse.
1. Nothing exceptional IMHO about BigG saying that he drives (as a rule, depending upon specific road conditions & circumstances) at just under the EFFECTIVE speed limit, which as enforced by local constabulary is about 4 k/h above the LEGAL speed limit.
Standard practices in most of USA outside of very congested areas, construction and school zones, and (of course) rural speed-traps. For one thing, it tends to help re: margin of error for speed guns, also with traffic flow, while still keeping speed down to semi-reasonable level.
2. Am all ago to start writing scenario for early 21st-century version of "Thunder Road" set in the highways & byways of North Wales, with a lead character closely (albeit loosely) based on BigG. So who(m) can we get to play the Robert Mitchum / BigG_Wales role? AND what is the alternative to smuggling Tennessee moonshine, for BG in NW?
1. Nothing exceptional IMHO about BigG saying that he drives (as a rule, depending upon specific road conditions & circumstances) at just under the EFFECTIVE speed limit, which as enforced by local constabulary is about 4 k/h above the LEGAL speed limit.
Standard practices in most of USA outside of very congested areas, construction and school zones, and (of course) rural speed-traps. For one thing, it tends to help re: margin of error for speed guns, also with traffic flow, while still keeping speed down to semi-reasonable level.
2. Am all ago to start writing scenario for early 21st-century version of "Thunder Road" set in the highways & byways of North Wales, with a lead character closely (albeit loosely) based on BigG. So who(m) can we get to play the Robert Mitchum / BigG_Wales role? AND what is the alternative to smuggling Tennessee moonshine, for BG in NW?
I think the only person to play Big_G is himself. 😀
Whilst "Thunder Road" would be good, I'd go for a remake of "Mad Max"... 😀
The ludicrous Sky analysis by Thrasher has resulted in this nonsense.
Profs Thrasher and Rallings are two of the three best election experts in the country, along with John Curtice. I'd be a bit sceptical about trashing their analysis of the results.
It would be more acceptable if they were using data from Scotland and Wales aswell . Even then it’s ridiculous to not factor in that the Lib Dems , Greens and Independent votes would be lower at a GE .
Isn't the problem not with the results themselves but how they've been interpreted on TV - if people voted tomorrow in exactly the same patterns as at the locals, and Lab's voter efficiency was as bad as it's been in recent elections, then yes, we'd be heading for hung parliament/small Lab Majority absent Scotland and Wales - where Lab should be making gains in the former.
But that isn't going to happen because people vote differently in GE's in a way that usually boosts Labour quite a bit due to the Lib Dem and now Green strength in local government but currently being minor players in Westminster elections.
You only need to look at the places the Conservatives were losing (before even factor in likely tactical voting) to see if a real GE were held tomorrow it would be a bloodbath for the Tories, not a hung parliament.
The ludicrous Sky analysis by Thrasher has resulted in this nonsense.
Profs Thrasher and Rallings are two of the three best election experts in the country, along with John Curtice. I'd be a bit sceptical about trashing their analysis of the results.
It would be more acceptable if they were using data from Scotland and Wales aswell . Even then it’s ridiculous to not factor in that the Lib Dems , Greens and Independent votes would be lower at a GE .
Isn't the problem not with the results themselves but how they've been interpreted on TV - if people voted tomorrow in exactly the same patterns as at the locals, and Lab's voter efficiency was as bad as it's been in recent elections, then yes, we'd be heading for hung parliament/small Lab Majority absent Scotland and Wales - where Lab should be making gains in the former.
But that isn't going to happen because people vote differently in GE's in a way that usually boosts Labour quite a bit due to the Lib Dem and now Green strength in local government but currently being minor players in Westminster elections.
You only need to look at the places the Conservatives were losing (before even factor in likely tactical voting) to see if a real GE were held tomorrow it would be a bloodbath for the Tories, not a hung parliament.
There is polling evidence to back that. Survation conducted a poll across all the councils holding local elections in 2023. When the same people were asked how they would vote at both the local elections and a general election, the Labour lead widened by 7% at the GE. Omnisis did the same and the lead widened by 8%.
Basically, that means that whatever gap Thrasher comes up with in his "NEV" based on voting in local elections alone, you have to add on another 7% or 8% to it.
I have never before watched GB News until 10 minutes ago but if there is a worse station with a less appealing host or guests I've not seen it. Are they getting viewers? It's the Addams family
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
I have never before watched GB News until 10 minutes ago but if there is a worse station with a less appealing host or guests I've not seen it. Are they getting viewers?
When it first appeared it was comedy gold. These days they are running rings around Ofcom rules. They have been losing millions and there is talk of it going on line only. They did beat the other right-wing TV vehicle Talk TV, which wasn't as terrible in terms of production values, but is now YouTube only.
"...he soon finds himself immersed in the deeper waters of middle-class revolution originating from the gated community of Chelsea Marina,[3] an upper middle-class enclave of salaried professionals."
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
You very quickly get used to a 20mph limit, and, after a while, start to prefer it. I was against it when it came in, but it’s almost ubiquitous in north London now. So I got used to it. And it’s better, because cars don’t race up to bottlenecks (of which there are many). The surprising thing is it makes for better local driving. Give it a good go, is my advice, you will be converted quite quickly.
Rishi Sunak: “These results suggest we are heading for a hung parliament with Labour as the largest party".
I can't recall hearing a PM say something like that before. He hasn't got a grasp on the party leader's job at all. He's effectively saying "This suggests that the first chance the British people get, they'll remove me from office." He might as well resign now if he thinks that.
"...he soon finds himself immersed in the deeper waters of middle-class revolution originating from the gated community of Chelsea Marina,[3] an upper middle-class enclave of salaried professionals."
"...he soon finds himself immersed in the deeper waters of middle-class revolution originating from the gated community of Chelsea Marina,[3] an upper middle-class enclave of salaried professionals."
"...he soon finds himself immersed in the deeper waters of middle-class revolution originating from the gated community of Chelsea Marina,[3] an upper middle-class enclave of salaried professionals."
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
I remember when motorists of a certain generation didn't think the law of the land applied to them, from the howling when the breathalysers came in. Evidently they haven't changed.
When those in charge of the go safe cameras say they will not prosecute under 26mph and the government itself is changing the legislation then it is not comparable nor is it political
You can't pick and choose which laws you abide by.
Errr.
Everybody chooses which laws they abide by. For some it is 99.9% for others it is a much lower percentage.
I have never before watched GB News until 10 minutes ago but if there is a worse station with a less appealing host or guests I've not seen it. Are they getting viewers?
When it first appeared it was comedy gold. These days they are running rings around Ofcom rules. They have been losing millions and there is talk of it going on line only. They did beat the other right-wing TV vehicle Talk TV, which wasn't as terrible in terms of production values, but is now YouTube only.
GB News is to left-wingers what Novara Media is to conservatives.
Ocean Infinity presented a new MH370 underwater search proposal to Anthony Loke, the Malaysian Minister of Transport in Kuala Lumpur on 2nd May 2024. Anthony Loke said that based on discussions held on Thursday, the company had submitted a proposal paper along with evidence and information for examination by the relevant parties under his ministry. The new search for MH370 is expected to start in November 2024."
If you add in swingback, Reform collapsing, a fantastic economy, Rwanda, the fear of a coalition of chaos, Rishi is looking at a healthy majority. Or it could be utter bollocks.
Do we normally extrapolate a GE from locals?
Yes, as a kid I grew up watching the Tories do pretty well in locals and Tony King would dismiss them as “not nearly good enough”. He was right.
Now, I think Labour will get over the line, but Thrasher’s projection shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand.
I have never before watched GB News until 10 minutes ago but if there is a worse station with a less appealing host or guests I've not seen it. Are they getting viewers? It's the Addams family
At the same time, I always lay down the challenge to everyone saying Autumn or winter, but without giving your analysis as to why - tell us, what is actually going to change for the better for Sunak and Government ratings from waiting what is just about 15 weeks longer, before disolving parliament?
This is the same faulty analysis that led you up the garden path to the confidently asserted yet ultimately wrong May 2nd bullshit.
Sunak is not trying to maximise the number of tory seats after the GE, he is trying to maximise the duration of his term as PM. The only countervailing pressure to going as late as possible is the threat of removal by the men in grey everything. He managed to skip past the moment of imminent peril in the locals by spinning that ludicrous Susan Hall lie to instill some temporary ataraxis in the tory party. By the time it had become apparent that she had, in fact, lost Sunak was safely through Max Q and the rebels had wandered off to have a lie down.
At the same time, I always lay down the challenge to everyone saying Autumn or winter, but without giving your analysis as to why - tell us, what is actually going to change for the better for Sunak and Government ratings from waiting what is just about 15 weeks longer, before disolving parliament?
This is the same faulty analysis that led you up the garden path to the confidently asserted yet ultimately wrong May 2nd bullshit.
Sunak is not trying to maximise the number of tory seats after the GE, he is trying to maximise the duration of his term as PM. The only countervailing pressure to going as late as possible is the threat of removal by the men in grey everything. He managed to skip past the moment of imminent peril in the locals by spinning that ludicrous Susan Hall lie to instill some temporary ataraxis in the tory party. By the time it had become apparent that she had, in fact, lost Sunak was safely through Max Q and the rebels had wandered off to have a lie down.
We should remember too that for many Tory backbenchers, the calculation is similar. If facing near-certain defeat, why not hang on for an extra few months' salary (and the outside chance something will turn up)?
The banner headline under that Fox News video says “overall inflation up 18.9%”. I can only assume they’re quoting the percentage increase in the percentage inflation rate, which is “novel” spin.
At the same time, I always lay down the challenge to everyone saying Autumn or winter, but without giving your analysis as to why - tell us, what is actually going to change for the better for Sunak and Government ratings from waiting what is just about 15 weeks longer, before disolving parliament?
This is the same faulty analysis that led you up the garden path to the confidently asserted yet ultimately wrong May 2nd bullshit.
Sunak is not trying to maximise the number of tory seats after the GE, he is trying to maximise the duration of his term as PM. The only countervailing pressure to going as late as possible is the threat of removal by the men in grey everything. He managed to skip past the moment of imminent peril in the locals by spinning that ludicrous Susan Hall lie to instill some temporary ataraxis in the tory party. By the time it had become apparent that she had, in fact, lost Sunak was safely through Max Q and the rebels had wandered off to have a lie down.
We should remember too that for many Tory backbenchers, the calculation is similar. If facing near-certain defeat, why not hang on for an extra few months' salary (and the outside chance something will turn up)?
It’s perfectly rational. I think I’d probably delay the election as long as possible if I were Sunak, to January.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
Are you sticking to the speed limit of 20mph or not?
If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
The vast majority are not but once the changes come in in September I expect go safe will be much stricter
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
I'm from 20mph Edinburgh. I just slow to 16mph and put Radio 4 on.
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
20mph is such a trauma. Imagine the outrage if they did something crazy like putting it on the main road from the capital to England?
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
You very quickly get used to a 20mph limit, and, after a while, start to prefer it. I was against it when it came in, but it’s almost ubiquitous in north London now. So I got used to it. And it’s better, because cars don’t race up to bottlenecks (of which there are many). The surprising thing is it makes for better local driving. Give it a good go, is my advice, you will be converted quite quickly.
I encountered it for the first time on holiday in Wales and couldn't see the problem.
Most people complied, without oversight from speed cameras, and on the whole it seemed reasonable. Even where it appeared excessive, I couldn't see it caused any problem.
The ludicrous Sky analysis by Thrasher has resulted in this nonsense.
Profs Thrasher and Rallings are two of the three best election experts in the country, along with John Curtice. I'd be a bit sceptical about trashing their analysis of the results.
It would be more acceptable if they were using data from Scotland and Wales aswell . Even then it’s ridiculous to not factor in that the Lib Dems , Greens and Independent votes would be lower at a GE .
Isn't the problem not with the results themselves but how they've been interpreted on TV - if people voted tomorrow in exactly the same patterns as at the locals, and Lab's voter efficiency was as bad as it's been in recent elections, then yes, we'd be heading for hung parliament/small Lab Majority absent Scotland and Wales - where Lab should be making gains in the former.
But that isn't going to happen because people vote differently in GE's in a way that usually boosts Labour quite a bit due to the Lib Dem and now Green strength in local government but currently being minor players in Westminster elections.
You only need to look at the places the Conservatives were losing (before even factor in likely tactical voting) to see if a real GE were held tomorrow it would be a bloodbath for the Tories, not a hung parliament.
There is polling evidence to back that. Survation conducted a poll across all the councils holding local elections in 2023. When the same people were asked how they would vote at both the local elections and a general election, the Labour lead widened by 7% at the GE. Omnisis did the same and the lead widened by 8%.
Basically, that means that whatever gap Thrasher comes up with in his "NEV" based on voting in local elections alone, you have to add on another 7% or 8% to it.
Do we really need polling organisations to tell us what our common sense tells us anyway?
Thrasher was just getting some free air time for his firm. He succeeded.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
That's pretty impressive, Big G.
I generally get a speeding ticket every three years, but then I don't live in Wales.
I'm thinking of publishing a Guide To Speed Awareness Centres.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
That's pretty impressive, Big G.
I generally get a speeding ticket every three years, but then I don't live in Wales.
I'm thinking of publishing a Guide To Speed Awareness Centres.
Is the one in Gloucester as shitty as most of the rest of the city?
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
That's pretty impressive, Big G.
I generally get a speeding ticket every three years, but then I don't live in Wales.
I'm thinking of publishing a Guide To Speed Awareness Centres.
Aren’t they mostly online nowadays? Or so I have heard.
I have never before watched GB News until 10 minutes ago but if there is a worse station with a less appealing host or guests I've not seen it. Are they getting viewers?
When it first appeared it was comedy gold. These days they are running rings around Ofcom rules. They have been losing millions and there is talk of it going on line only. They did beat the other right-wing TV vehicle Talk TV, which wasn't as terrible in terms of production values, but is now YouTube only.
GB News is to left-wingers what Novara Media is to conservatives.
By conservatives do you mean anyone to the right of Jeremy Corbyn?
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
That's pretty impressive, Big G.
I generally get a speeding ticket every three years, but then I don't live in Wales.
I'm thinking of publishing a Guide To Speed Awareness Centres.
Aren’t they mostly online nowadays? Or so I have heard.
This afternoon I drove into Llandudno and half way down the Little Orme the speed changes from 40mph to 20mph
However, the 20 mph signs had been vandalised and my dash did not show the change to 20mph for the first time remaining at 40mph
Now I know the speed is 20mph and adjusted to the now average of 24mph but what is the legal position?
It would appear that you are well aware that it's 20mph. The police can use discretion on a decision to prosecute, but if you're above 20mph and get a fine then you can have no complaints.
8 months till the GE folks. Lots more of this to come. Already had Trans and cyclists.
You are really out of touch with the situation in Wales over the change and whether you like it or not the Welsh government itself is implementing changes in their advice that will see some roads revert back from September
Furthermore, it is go safe official policy not to prosecute under 26mph and it has nothing to do with the GE as it is Labour in Wales who accept the implementation was badly handled and by September the policy should actually work
I remember when Conservatives like yourself respected the law of the land.
As we've seen with wilful breaking of 20mph limits in Wales and the vandalism of ULEZ cameras in London, the right have abandoned the rule of law. Shame on them.
Shameful comment
I respect the law of the land and it is the lawmakers themselves who are changing and amending their own law with widespread approval across the political divide in Wales
Indeed from a practical sense it is impossible to keep to 20mph when most everyone else is driving at 25mph and tailgating or overtaking the few who stay at 20mph
I would just say I have never received a ticket for any driving offence at all since I received my licence in 1961 nor have I ever been prosecuted for anything whatsoever and you should apologise
That's pretty impressive, Big G.
I generally get a speeding ticket every three years, but then I don't live in Wales.
I'm thinking of publishing a Guide To Speed Awareness Centres.
Aren’t they mostly online nowadays? Or so I have heard.
In retrospect I rather enjoyed the one i went to. Watching the reaction of other attendees was interesting, too. Very few wanted to co-operate with neighbours, as we were sometimes asked to. Seemed to be a sense of shame!
And a good morning to one and all; ladies, gentlemen, comrades or colleagues. However, you would describe yourselves.
Mixed feelings as I made three bets this weekend and only the one I actually tipped failed. 16 on Norris to win was nice (made pre-qualifying), but does not count for the records, alas.
This was his forecast before they had finished counting. The early results were more favourable to Labour, the later ones more favourable to the Lib Dems. Try colouring in the district and unitary councils - and the amount of gold on the map is astounding.
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If you are being tailgated, the correct response is to slow down or pull over to reduce the chance of a collision. Not to break the law yourself.
"Impossible".
Drinks at a charming pub in Primrose Hill with old lefty friends (one of them quite close to Sir Kir Royale's wife)
Behind us was a table of young (late 20s) Whitehall Civil Servants. They were talking quite loudly of a friend of theirs that works for Suella Braverman. they discussed how their leftwing friend despised all of Braverman's attitudes but felt obliged to do the work she asked, albeit slowly and with reluctance, so it didn't go so well
It was an illustration of the Blob in action
You clearly have no experience of driving these roads otherwise you would realise how naive your suggestion is to pull over
Edit: almost nothing else - but I don't want to talk about the other stuff, for obvious reasons.
Truss is a LibDem sleeper. Apparently Sunak is a Labour sleeper. Because leading the Labour get out the vote operation is an unusual strategy for the Tory leader
The 20mph Welsh law is not
I've got a holiday coming up in N.Wales (got some climbing planned) and intend to do the same there - please leave me plenty of space!
https://www.thenational.scot/news/24300639.snp-activist-withdraws-leadership-challenge-john-swinney/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=050524
https://x.com/ChrisMusson/status/1787238735890809089
https://twitter.com/Martin_Indyk/status/1787143957249462641
Oh yeah. They have. Repeatedly. It gets obeyed. And there’s no problem. In Scotland.
Happily, the Scottish Conservatives have not yet got into mass lawbreaking and attacks on the Rule of Law.
Indeed if you plan your visit from September the changes should be implemented making the whole scheme acceptable and workable with many 20mph zones retained
Twenty miles per hour is totally appropriate outside schools, in many built up areas etc. Accudents at 20 are far less damaging than at 30. We get that.
In an ideal world drivers would use the speed appropriate for the road and conditions. In the real world limits apply, but are also often ignored. Bath has imposed 20 mph zones in many places. Most drivers exceed 20. Arguably they are slowed down from previously, when it was 30. It will probably save lives, avoid injuries.
But it was applied with some thought, and not just a blanket imposition.
What kills me about all the wailing and gnashing over 20mph / LTNs / ULEZ / CAZ etc etc is the entitled angry man syndrome, where our time is critical and our rights override anyone else’s rights. 20mph slows you down. So does traffic. Set off slightly earlier.
I fear there is a misunderstanding by some on just how badly it was implemented and how much work the Welsh government, local authorities and residents groups are putting into the changes due in September
The problem with 20mph zones is that people get hit by drivers throughout built up areas. Outside schools, for example, is great for kids being driven to school, but does very little for those walking or cycling across a village or town.
That is why it is a mistake on the part of some number-crunchers to apply nation-wide percentages to these constituencies. They get their results wrong.
But more importantly: good night and keep well.
Nobody is suggesting 20mph are not good in the area of schools, hospitals, residential areas, or villages but large areas of North Wales are not villages but interconnected towns and it has caused havoc with bus services and taxis which is recognised
This is not an angry man syndrome, but a real issue and also an economic one and the answer is to make it work which the Welsh government are intent on doing
And good night and thank you - I still struggle but accept that modern medicine has given me a chance of a wee while longer to see Starmer in no 10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SePP_iofypE
Can we have our one nation party back please
Hence the past tense: despiseD, and felt obligeD, and it DIDN'T
Do we normally extrapolate a GE from locals?
Indeed, departments are so huge and working on so many things I don't find the idea of a cohesive blob going slow or deliberately poorly very plausible, even if isolated examples exist.
That's not how most people act even in jobs they don't like or for bosses they don't like, especially when day to day few will have direct interaction with even the decisions of a minister. People try to do a good job, or make things better as best they can within constraints they may dislike.
And even if we accept ill motivations of the Sir Humphreys, remember even then pride was taken in doing a job well.
Humphrey: It's my job to carry out government policy.
Hacker: Even if you think it's wrong?
Humphrey: Well, practically all government policy is wrong! But, frightfully well carried out.
It isn’t an outrage for the civil service to react “that’s fucking mental”
Yes and go
Although strictly speaking I think they are serving the state (crown), not government ministers
I voted PC for Thursday's PCC vote. I won't be voting for them at the GE.
1. Nothing exceptional IMHO about BigG saying that he drives (as a rule, depending upon specific road conditions & circumstances) at just under the EFFECTIVE speed limit, which as enforced by local constabulary is about 4 k/h above the LEGAL speed limit.
Standard practices in most of USA outside of very congested areas, construction and school zones, and (of course) rural speed-traps. For one thing, it tends to help re: margin of error for speed guns, also with traffic flow, while still keeping speed down to semi-reasonable level.
2. Am all ago to start writing scenario for early 21st-century version of "Thunder Road" set in the highways & byways of North Wales, with a lead character closely (albeit loosely) based on BigG. So who(m) can we get to play the Robert Mitchum / BigG_Wales role? AND what is the alternative to smuggling Tennessee moonshine, for BG in NW?
Whilst "Thunder Road" would be good, I'd go for a remake of "Mad Max"... 😀
But that isn't going to happen because people vote differently in GE's in a way that usually boosts Labour quite a bit due to the Lib Dem and now Green strength in local government but currently being minor players in Westminster elections.
You only need to look at the places the Conservatives were losing (before even factor in likely tactical voting) to see if a real GE were held tomorrow it would be a bloodbath for the Tories, not a hung parliament.
So no change then compared to what her and her organisation have been campaigning against for the past 4 years.
Basically, that means that whatever gap Thrasher comes up with in his "NEV" based on voting in local elections alone, you have to add on another 7% or 8% to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4De7JdgHC88
"...he soon finds himself immersed in the deeper waters of middle-class revolution originating from the gated community of Chelsea Marina,[3] an upper middle-class enclave of salaried professionals."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_People
I can't recall hearing a PM say something like that before. He hasn't got a grasp on the party leader's job at all. He's effectively saying "This suggests that the first chance the British people get, they'll remove me from office." He might as well resign now if he thinks that.
https://sseh.uchicago.edu/doc/roauss.htm
Everybody chooses which laws they abide by. For some it is 99.9% for others it is a much lower percentage.
Richard Godfrey
Ocean Infinity presented a new MH370 underwater search proposal to Anthony Loke, the Malaysian Minister of Transport in Kuala Lumpur on 2nd May 2024. Anthony Loke said that based on discussions held on Thursday, the company had submitted a proposal paper along with evidence and information for examination by the relevant parties under his ministry. The new search for MH370 is expected to start in November 2024."
https://www.mh370search.com/2024/05/05/new-search/
Now, I think Labour will get over the line, but Thrasher’s projection shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand.
Allies say Sunak hopes an improving economic picture and Rwanda flights finally leaving can improve his re-election chances this autumn
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/05/downing-street-shelves-plan-summer-general-election/ (£££)
Bookmakers and Betfair generally offer two markets: date of election by month, and by 3-month band. Odds can be compared at:-
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/month-of-next-general-election
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/date-of-election
Lara Trump: Yeah. Well, that's exactly right. You cannot have ballots counted after elections are over.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1787127359906472331
Sunak is not trying to maximise the number of tory seats after the GE, he is trying to maximise the duration of his term as PM. The only countervailing pressure to going as late as possible is the threat of removal by the men in grey everything. He managed to skip past the moment of imminent peril in the locals by spinning that ludicrous Susan Hall lie to instill some temporary ataraxis in the tory party. By the time it had become apparent that she had, in fact, lost Sunak was safely through Max Q and the rebels had wandered off to have a lie down.
Most people complied, without oversight from speed cameras, and on the whole it seemed reasonable. Even where it appeared excessive, I couldn't see it caused any problem.
Why the fuss?
Thrasher was just getting some free air time for his firm. He succeeded.
I generally get a speeding ticket every three years, but then I don't live in Wales.
I'm thinking of publishing a Guide To Speed Awareness Centres.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce43zv3qln9o
Whatever your thoughts on his other policies, his attitude on these seems pretty sensible.
I wonder though whether it will survive long if he fails in other ways and needs cover. That's normally the way it works in Argentina.
I’m sure it will be a roaring success. These sort of things always are.
https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1787356124808634791?s=61
With apologies to John Major...
https://www.conflix.uk/
Seemed to be a sense of shame!
And a good morning to one and all;
ladies, gentlemen, comrades or colleagues. However, you would describe yourselves.
We broke all our previous promises on immigration, let's make another one, that'll work
Some Conservatives give the impression that they think they have been in opposition for the last 10 years
Mixed feelings as I made three bets this weekend and only the one I actually tipped failed. 16 on Norris to win was nice (made pre-qualifying), but does not count for the records, alas.
Yep, certain to work.