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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    First half hattrick for Harland. Another 3 points for Man City. Can they close the gap on GD with Arsenal?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited May 4

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Khan's support actually increased, so how do we interpret that as anything but an endorsement for ULEZ?

    I've been saying this for months, the people opposed to ULEZ don't live in London. Londoners either don't care (as they don't drive) or they are supportive.

    The Tories were entirely wrong to oppose it (of course they forced Khan to bring it in but that's a different story). They have got completely the wrong end of the stick and done the opposite of what they should have done.

    In Outer London, where people drive, Khan's vote didn't increase (except in the wealthy pro green SW), in inner London it did.

    His margin in inner London, where you can use a bus, taxi or tube and don't need the car, was enough to secure him victory in London overall
    Did he receive more votes than last time or not? It's a yes or no question.
    In inner London yes his margin was up, in Outer London there was no change and indeed in some areas like Bexley and Bromley Hall won comfortably
    Khan's vote went up in B&B compared to 2021.
    Hall's vote went up more, Bailey got 100630 first preference votes in 2021 while she got 111,216 votes this year.

    Khan got 44350 in 2021 and 48,952 votes this year
    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/bexley-bromley-results
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-68609732/page/3
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Andy_JS said:

    Tory MP Andrew Mitchell on Sky News: "We know either that Andy Street has won or that he has nearly won".

    Is nearly won the same as didn't win?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Awful, awful speech from Hall. Please go away now.

    Agree, I actually stopped watching half-way through. It was too political. You don't make policy points on occasions like this, you congratulate the winners and thank the police, etc. Anything else sounds incredibly petty when you've just been defeated.
    I guess the one thing she could have said - if she had a more subtle political touch than she does - is something like, "It is of course important to recognise the diversity of views across the city, and the very real concerns of those with poor public transport options who rely on their cars to get about, and those where crime is a growing problem. I look forward to working with the Mayor over the next four years to do more to improve the situation for these Londoners".

    That's not a direct dig but does say that the issues you ran on haven't evapourated, and is a nod to your voters and light marking of the Mayor's card.
    Yes. Post election result speeches are one of the dignified rather than the efficient parts of our unwritten constitution. It is notable that the generally decent people do it well, whether in victory or defeat. As unifying ritual is has a real place. Just as Binface and co have their place like Lear's fool.
    David Mellor in 97 springs to mind
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 3,647
    So do the plotters pick their pitchforks up again or?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    ydoethur said:

    nico679 said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico679 said:

    Oh God someone please put poor Andrew Mitchell out of his misery on Sky News. It’s like Chemical Ali !

    D'you mean Comical Ali? Chemical Ali was the mass murderer and that seems a bit harsh on Mitchell.
    Oh yes ! You really need to see that Mitchell clip , it was tragic .
    You're saying that a bad interview is as bad as gassing a load of Kurds?
    Eh ! I agree I got the wrong person . Am I missing something , my point was Mitchell was delusional!
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,806
    Will not be disappointed by Street losing.

    Wear your affiliation with pride. None of this pretending you’re an independent when you clearly aren’t.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Andy_JS said:

    Tory MP Andrew Mitchell on Sky News: "We know either that Andy Street has won or that he has nearly won".

    Is nearly won the same as didn't win?
    Gloucestershire nearly won against Sussex the other day.

    Or as we also call it, 'lost by four wickets.'
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,636
    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,497

    Support for independence remains evenly balanced, with 48 per cent in favour of Scotland leaving the UK and 52 per cent backing the Union.

    Scotland has caught the Brexit ratio disease. Then same numbers are found in the Forbes/Yousef head to head.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,558
    "Oh God, What Now? – the politics podcast
    @OhGodWhatNowPod

    On a day when the Conservatives got absolutely ploughed, Andrew Mitchell MP is now on TV claiming that if Andy Street wins, it poses “very serious” questions about Starmer’s electability.
    It is the most pitiful, craven and undignified thing you could possibly imagine."

    https://twitter.com/OhGodWhatNowPod/status/1786801599592948061
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Well, that really inspires confidence in the integrity of any recount.

    'Ish thish one vote or three?'
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Back from the pub to do a recount?

    That sounds like a recipe for trouble!!

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Back from the pub to do a recount?

    That sounds like a recipe for trouble!!

    It's gonna end up in court, lol
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,497
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Tory MP Andrew Mitchell on Sky News: "We know either that Andy Street has won or that he has nearly won".

    Is nearly won the same as didn't win?
    Gloucestershire nearly won against Sussex the other day.

    Or as we also call it, 'lost by four wickets.'
    I am sorry to say that Wolves are nearly beating Man City as well. As it stands, four quick goals and they are home and dry and Arsenal are back on track.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    The Tories needed to request the recount before the Birmingham results were officially declared .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Back from the pub to do a recount?

    That sounds like a recipe for trouble!!

    It's gonna end up in court, lol
    Sunak's premiership saved by activist lawyers??

    I will retire to Bedlam.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149

    Will not be disappointed by Street losing.

    Wear your affiliation with pride. None of this pretending you’re an independent when you clearly aren’t.

    Metro Mayors have to do that realistically, as they need to work with Governments as well as with Council leaders on their patch of any political hue. That's particularly the case where you're not going to win if it's a down the line party vote.

    No doubt the Tories would far rather have a Mayor of the West Midlands (or Tees Valley or anywhere else) who is branded as an "independent minded" Tory than have a Labour Mayor. Having a very loyalist figure would no doubt be ideal, but isn't at all realistic.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    edited May 4

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,497

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Time for prayers to St Chad of Mercia.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839
    ydoethur said:

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Well, that really inspires confidence in the integrity of any recount.

    'Ish thish one vote or three?'
    Well if you can't see 2 votes where there was one after being in the pub you were wasting your time there.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Back from the pub to do a recount?

    That sounds like a recipe for trouble!!

    It's gonna end up in court, lol
    Sunak's premiership saved by activist lawyers??

    I will retire to Bedlam.
    Yakoob is a lawyer.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,724
    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Is Khan mad enough to want to do a 4th term? I think not.

  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    nico679 said:

    The Tories needed to request the recount before the Birmingham results were officially declared .

    One wonders why they were declared whilst a recount was underway elsewhere. One would have thought it prudent to hold off in case someone wants to check it out.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,497
    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Name three.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,558
    edited May 4
    I think the fact there's been a full recount in Coventry but not in the other areas in the West Midlands could be the basis for a court challenge to the result. The same recount conditions should have been applied everywhere, since it's the overall result that matters, not how close it is in any particular area.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Name three.
    Eadric. LadyG. Me
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Back from the pub to do a recount?

    That sounds like a recipe for trouble!!

    It's gonna end up in court, lol
    Sunak's premiership saved by activist lawyers??

    I will retire to Bedlam.
    Yakoob is a lawyer.
    Indeed. I read this edifying piece about him in legal sector scuttlebutt site Roll on Friday -

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-tiktok-lawyers-mayoral-hopes-knocked-misogynist-podcast
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    algarkirk said:

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Time for prayers to St Chad of Mercia.
    Turns out the Labour candidate is actually a tiger. Also, "found some votes in Coventry" sounds dodgy as fuck.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,459
    Andy_JS said:

    I think the fact there's been a full recount in Coventry but not in the other areas in the West Midlands could be the basis for a court challenge to the result.

    What a S show
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    algarkirk said:

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Time for prayers to St Chad of Mercia.
    AND to St. "Hanging" Chad of Tampa?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Name three.
    Eadric. LadyG. Me
    I'm not sure that's wholly a trinity.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    ToryJim said:

    nico679 said:

    The Tories needed to request the recount before the Birmingham results were officially declared .

    One wonders why they were declared whilst a recount was underway elsewhere. One would have thought it prudent to hold off in case someone wants to check it out.
    Probably because the Tories were a bit too confident they were going to win, so when they were asked "are you fine and happy to announce" they just said yeah sure and then discovered they'd fucked up an hour later.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Is Khan mad enough to want to do a 4th term? I think not.

    He's a fucikng bed blocker, I wouldn't put it past him. Any other poltiical career is over, for him. He'd be 57 and looking for a constittuency to start out as an MP if he wants a Westminster job years afteer that? Not gonna happen. So, yeah, I can see him going for a 4th. Tragically. And winning, which is even more tragic
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Name three.
    Eadric. LadyG. Me
    I'm not sure that's wholly a trinity.
    Possibly an unholy shitshow.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    ydoethur said:

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Well, that really inspires confidence in the integrity of any recount.

    'Ish thish one vote or three?'
    The source for her tweet is as ludicrous as, erm, the Susan Hall one if you can be bothered to trace it.

    I’m sorry TSE repeated it without pausing
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    algarkirk said:

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Time for prayers to St Chad of Mercia.
    AND to St. "Hanging" Chad of Tampa?
    More Tamperwoth than Tamworth.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Street 21,372 votes ahead with Sandwell and Coventry to come
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Andy_JS said:

    I think the fact there's been a full recount in Coventry but not in the other areas in the West Midlands could be the basis for a court challenge to the result. The same recount conditions should have been applied everywhere, since it's the overall result that matters, not how close it is in any particular area.

    Please let’s leave the American politics in America
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    People so often fight the previous election, and are so often wrong. I'm fairly doubtful Khan will even be the candidate next time, so why necessarily choose someone to contrast with him?

    Also, you're talking about what you want, and that's fine. But is it at all appealing to voters in Bexley and Hillingdon? People move to those places specifically to get away from what you'd describe as "fun".
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,706
    Yes, sounds like the Conservatives made a massive error - allowing Birmingham to be declared without realising how close it was going to be overall.

    Now they have no hope if only Coventry is recounted,.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Well, that really inspires confidence in the integrity of any recount.

    'Ish thish one vote or three?'
    The source for her tweet is as ludicrous as, erm, the Susan Hall one if you can be bothered to trace it.

    I’m sorry TSE repeated it without pausing
    Can you elaborate? I know she's a sun ed so not exactly unbiased but I'm part of the "fuck twitter" brigade so I can't see that chain back.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,558
    edited May 4
    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    In a way it's similar to the EU referendum, where the Remain campaign was almost totally negative, instead of talking about all the positive things about Europe. All they did was say how awful it would be if Leave won. Voters don't like that type of campaign.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Andy_JS said:

    I think the fact there's been a full recount in Coventry but not in the other areas in the West Midlands could be the basis for a court challenge to the result.

    What a S show
    It isn’t a s show

    Andy Street didn’t win by c. 2500 votes and his team want to have some of the votes recounted, which Coventry accepted.

    Let’s leave the conspiracies out of this and wait the final tally
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    People so often fight the previous election, and are so often wrong. I'm fairly doubtful Khan will even be the candidate next time, so why necessarily choose someone to contrast with him?

    Also, you're talking about what you want, and that's fine. But is it at all appealing to voters in Bexley and Hillingdon? People move to those places specifically to get away from what you'd describe as "fun".
    The Tories need to win over cool young arty people in the inner city, like me, not boring middleaged suburban twonks like @OnlyLivingBoy, @Anabobazina and @TimS

    They already have the Ulezzers
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,558
    MikeL said:

    Yes, sounds like the Conservatives made a massive error - allowing Birmingham to be declared without realising how close it was going to be overall.

    Now they have no hope if only Coventry is recounted,.

    Although you could also argue it should be the job of the returning officer to make sure no area declares its result until it's known that no other area might be holding a recount.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Was Mitchell's interview really as tragic as it was implied in the BBC live blog?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Is Khan mad enough to want to do a 4th term? I think not.

    […] looking for a constittuency to start out as an MP
    Going back to being an MP, you surely mean?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    A few months back I went out for a pizza with some mates in Peckham and staggered home ten hours later after going to two clubs, crashing a 30th birthday party, drinking some woman's breast milk and generally having a bloody great time. Sadiq Khan haters please explain.
    Perhaps you're just getting old?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Andy_JS said:

    I think the fact there's been a full recount in Coventry but not in the other areas in the West Midlands could be the basis for a court challenge to the result. The same recount conditions should have been applied everywhere, since it's the overall result that matters, not how close it is in any particular area.

    But the Tories *rewrote* the rules themselves. Too late to complain - in both senses.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    People so often fight the previous election, and are so often wrong. I'm fairly doubtful Khan will even be the candidate next time, so why necessarily choose someone to contrast with him?

    Also, you're talking about what you want, and that's fine. But is it at all appealing to voters in Bexley and Hillingdon? People move to those places specifically to get away from what you'd describe as "fun".
    The Tories need to win over cool young arty people in the inner city, like me, not boring middleaged suburban twonks like @OnlyLivingBoy, @Anabobazina and @TimS

    They already have the Ulezzers
    Although if they won over the people you mention, that's three votes. Whereas if they win over you, that's one vote.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Parker needs to take Sandwell and Coventry by about 12% combined (I think)
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    OnboardG1 said:

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Well, that really inspires confidence in the integrity of any recount.

    'Ish thish one vote or three?'
    The source for her tweet is as ludicrous as, erm, the Susan Hall one if you can be bothered to trace it.

    I’m sorry TSE repeated it without pausing
    Can you elaborate? I know she's a sun ed so not exactly unbiased but I'm part of the "fuck twitter" brigade so I can't see that chain back.
    It started with someone with about 12 followers, without any basis in fact, then got retweeted … and you know how it goes from there.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,636
    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Well, that really inspires confidence in the integrity of any recount.

    'Ish thish one vote or three?'
    The source for her tweet is as ludicrous as, erm, the Susan Hall one if you can be bothered to trace it.

    I’m sorry TSE repeated it without pausing
    Next time I will only repeat anecdotes from friends and family.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited May 4
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Is Khan mad enough to want to do a 4th term? I think not.

    He's a fucikng bed blocker, I wouldn't put it past him. Any other poltiical career is over, for him. He'd be 57 and looking for a constittuency to start out as an MP if he wants a Westminster job years afteer that? Not gonna happen. So, yeah, I can see him going for a 4th. Tragically. And winning, which is even more tragic
    He'll win a 4th, 5th, and 6th term if he wants to. He calls the shots in London. Susan Hall is just a prelude to what is coming as far as the Tories are concerned. Popcorn time after the next GE as Badenoch, Braverman, Truss and other fruitloops in the Tory party slug it out.

    London is a great city and we will continue to say "F*ck off" to the Tories.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    In a way it's similar to the EU referendum, where the Remain campaign was almost totally negative, instead of talking about all the positive things about Europe. All they did was say how awful it would be if Leave won. Voters don't like that type of campaign.
    Yep. Positivity. It wins. YES I said YES

    In fact the Tory slogan should be: "I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes."

    That would look good on posters
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I think the fact there's been a full recount in Coventry but not in the other areas in the West Midlands could be the basis for a court challenge to the result. The same recount conditions should have been applied everywhere, since it's the overall result that matters, not how close it is in any particular area.

    But the Tories *rewrote* the rules themselves. Too late to complain - in both senses.
    Hoisted on one's own petard. Be careful what institution you blow up I suppose. Would be quite funny if their attempts at system rigging blew up in their faces again.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,636
    edited May 4
    Re Coventry, I hope that a Tory bundle hasn't been stuck in with a Labour (or other party) bundle. That's the only reason I can think for requesting a recount when you're circa 2.500 votes behind.

    That's what nightmares are made from counting staff.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Heathener said:

    ydoethur said:

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Well, that really inspires confidence in the integrity of any recount.

    'Ish thish one vote or three?'
    The source for her tweet is as ludicrous as, erm, the Susan Hall one if you can be bothered to trace it.

    I’m sorry TSE repeated it without pausing
    Next time I will only repeat anecdotes from friends and family.
    Well, at least they have the merit of coming from a human being. With twitter/X rumours? Who knows but I think this site should treat them circumspectly.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,076
    Heathener said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I think the fact there's been a full recount in Coventry but not in the other areas in the West Midlands could be the basis for a court challenge to the result.

    What a S show
    It isn’t a s show

    Andy Street didn’t win by c. 2500 votes and his team want to have some of the votes recounted, which Coventry accepted.

    Let’s leave the conspiracies out of this and wait the final tally
    Nah I'm on Andy's side on this one. If it's close enough for a recount, every part of the election should be recounted.

    To be able to pick and choose areas to recount is worse than doing none.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    edited May 4

    Re Coventry, I hope that a Tory bundle hasn't been stuck in with a Labour (or other party) bundle.

    That's what nightmares are made from counting staff.

    If this all falls out with Street winning by like, 10k votes and it's all manufactured drama it's going to be deeply tedious.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    murali_s said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Is Khan mad enough to want to do a 4th term? I think not.

    He's a fucikng bed blocker, I wouldn't put it past him. Any other poltiical career is over, for him. He'd be 57 and looking for a constittuency to start out as an MP if he wants a Westminster job years afteer that? Not gonna happen. So, yeah, I can see him going for a 4th. Tragically. And winning, which is even more tragic
    He'll win a 4th, 5th, and 6th term if he wants to. He calls the shots in London. Susan Hall is just a prelude to what is coming as far as the Tories are concerned. Popcorn time after the next GE as Badenoch, Braverman, Truss and other fruitloops in the Tory slug it out.

    London is a great city and we will continue to say "F*ck off" to the Tories.
    WAtching from a distance, I'm genuinely astounded. For months, we had wall to wall ULEZzery on PB on how Mr Khan was doomed, ditto because of tent cities, unavailability of traditional eel pie on ever street corner, etc. etc.
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,127
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Is Khan mad enough to want to do a 4th term? I think not.

    He's a fucikng bed blocker, I wouldn't put it past him. Any other poltiical career is over, for him. He'd be 57 and looking for a constittuency to start out as an MP if he wants a Westminster job years afteer that? Not gonna happen. So, yeah, I can see him going for a 4th. Tragically. And winning, which is even more tragic
    2028 will be in the fourth year of a Starmer administration, with all the headwinds that he's going to face. London's only voted for the nationally governing party twice, for Ken in 2004 and Boris in 2012 and as you've already mentioned, both of them were special politicians. Khan is as generic Labour as you can get, which is why the Hall smears haven't stuck (he's not that interesting).

    If Labour aren't polling that well in 2027 then Khan looks vulnerable and then decent Tory politicians will fancy their chances, making Khan's chances of a 4th term even slimmer.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,383
    DavidL said:

    First half hattrick for Harland. Another 3 points for Man City. Can they close the gap on GD with Arsenal?

    Wolves will close the gap with a late surge and score 3.
    City will demand a goal recount, and VAR will adjudicate.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Just spotted that the newly minted London Assembly member for West Central is the son of Heather Small. I’ll let others suggest which of her back catalogue should apply to current circumstances…
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    From the Grauniad:

    9m ago
    13.33 EDT
    London mayoral hopeful Count Binface said “down with fascism, up with Ceefax” after discovering he had beaten Britain First’s candidate Nick Scanlon.

    He told reporters at City Hall: “It looks like I have defeated Britain First in an election.

    “Come on, you have to cheer about that…down with fascism, up with Ceefax, what can I say?”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    A few months back I went out for a pizza with some mates in Peckham and staggered home ten hours later after going to two clubs, crashing a 30th birthday party, drinking some woman's breast milk and generally having a bloody great time. Sadiq Khan haters please explain.
    Perhaps you're just getting old?
    Five WEEKS ago I spent three long wondrous days taking yopo, mambe (you don't even know what that is), and ayahuasca in the jungles of Colombia about ten minutes from Pablo Escobar's hippo themed drug and execution palace with the world's greatest scientific expert on DMT, a famous movie director, two billionaires, a US/German film crew, a beautiful and celebrated Swiss musician and the great NIECE of Virginia Woolf, and a famous ayahuesquero who recently escaped assassination in Medellin and we all did San Pedro after that

    You went out in ++ checks notes ++ "Peckham"
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 3,647
    ToryJim said:

    Just spotted that the newly minted London Assembly member for West Central is the son of Heather Small. I’ll let others suggest which of her back catalogue should apply to current circumstances…

    She won the Olympics for London.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,636
    ToryJim said:

    Just spotted that the newly minted London Assembly member for West Central is the son of Heather Small. I’ll let others suggest which of her back catalogue should apply to current circumstances…

    Moving On Up.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    A few months back I went out for a pizza with some mates in Peckham and staggered home ten hours later after going to two clubs, crashing a 30th birthday party, drinking some woman's breast milk and generally having a bloody great time. Sadiq Khan haters please explain.
    Perhaps you're just getting old?
    Maaate.

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  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    edited May 4
    l
    Ratters said:

    Heathener said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I think the fact there's been a full recount in Coventry but not in the other areas in the West Midlands could be the basis for a court challenge to the result.

    What a S show
    It isn’t a s show

    Andy Street didn’t win by c. 2500 votes and his team want to have some of the votes recounted, which Coventry accepted.

    Let’s leave the conspiracies out of this and wait the final tally
    Nah I'm on Andy's side on this one. If it's close enough for a recount, every part of the election should be recounted.

    To be able to pick and choose areas to recount is worse than doing none.
    Labour can’t legally refuse a recount so it must be those in charge of the count who refused . Normally we see recounts before any official declaration .
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    ToryJim said:

    Just spotted that the newly minted London Assembly member for West Central is the son of Heather Small. I’ll let others suggest which of her back catalogue should apply to current circumstances…

    Go on, residents of Havering and Bromley.

    Watch this and tell me you don't want to be part of it.

    https://youtu.be/vA7GIeIJV-U
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    From the Grauniad:

    9m ago
    13.33 EDT
    London mayoral hopeful Count Binface said “down with fascism, up with Ceefax” after discovering he had beaten Britain First’s candidate Nick Scanlon.

    He told reporters at City Hall: “It looks like I have defeated Britain First in an election.

    “Come on, you have to cheer about that…down with fascism, up with Ceefax, what can I say?”

    Fascists don't usually see facts.

    But I wish he'd come first. Surely everybody could get behind his policy of making Thames Water's execs go for a swim in London River?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    A few months back I went out for a pizza with some mates in Peckham and staggered home ten hours later after going to two clubs, crashing a 30th birthday party, drinking some woman's breast milk and generally having a bloody great time. Sadiq Khan haters please explain.
    Perhaps you're just getting old?
    Five WEEKS ago I spent three long wondrous days taking yopo, mambe (you don't even know what that is), and ayahuasca in the jungles of Colombia about ten minutes from Pablo Escobar's hippo themed drug and execution palace with the world's greatest scientific expert on DMT, a famous movie director, two billionaires, a US/German film crew, a beautiful and celebrated Swiss musician and the great NIECE of Virginia Woolf, and a famous ayahuesquero who recently escaped assassination in Medellin and we all did San Pedro after that

    You went out in ++ checks notes ++ "Peckham"
    Very nice but I bet you couldn't get the bus home.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Carnyx said:

    murali_s said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Is Khan mad enough to want to do a 4th term? I think not.

    He's a fucikng bed blocker, I wouldn't put it past him. Any other poltiical career is over, for him. He'd be 57 and looking for a constittuency to start out as an MP if he wants a Westminster job years afteer that? Not gonna happen. So, yeah, I can see him going for a 4th. Tragically. And winning, which is even more tragic
    He'll win a 4th, 5th, and 6th term if he wants to. He calls the shots in London. Susan Hall is just a prelude to what is coming as far as the Tories are concerned. Popcorn time after the next GE as Badenoch, Braverman, Truss and other fruitloops in the Tory slug it out.

    London is a great city and we will continue to say "F*ck off" to the Tories.
    WAtching from a distance, I'm genuinely astounded. For months, we had wall to wall ULEZzery on PB on how Mr Khan was doomed, ditto because of tent cities, unavailability of traditional eel pie on ever street corner, etc. etc.
    Then you know as little of London as we do of Scotland, as you often point out

    It was obvious that Hall was a profoundly mediocre candidate. As soon as they announced her as standing against Khan we all knew that was it, the mayoralty was lost again. Shaun Bailey was a fairly weak candidate, but he was better than that silly woman

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,457

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    A few months back I went out for a pizza with some mates in Peckham and staggered home ten hours later after going to two clubs, crashing a 30th birthday party, drinking some woman's breast milk and generally having a bloody great time. Sadiq Khan haters please explain.
    Perhaps you're just getting old?
    Maaate.

    Cringe.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Carnyx said:

    murali_s said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Is Khan mad enough to want to do a 4th term? I think not.

    He's a fucikng bed blocker, I wouldn't put it past him. Any other poltiical career is over, for him. He'd be 57 and looking for a constittuency to start out as an MP if he wants a Westminster job years afteer that? Not gonna happen. So, yeah, I can see him going for a 4th. Tragically. And winning, which is even more tragic
    He'll win a 4th, 5th, and 6th term if he wants to. He calls the shots in London. Susan Hall is just a prelude to what is coming as far as the Tories are concerned. Popcorn time after the next GE as Badenoch, Braverman, Truss and other fruitloops in the Tory slug it out.

    London is a great city and we will continue to say "F*ck off" to the Tories.
    WAtching from a distance, I'm genuinely astounded. For months, we had wall to wall ULEZzery on PB on how Mr Khan was doomed, ditto because of tent cities, unavailability of traditional eel pie on ever street corner, etc. etc.
    The ULEZ thing tends to be brought up by Tories who’ve never lived in Central London. Ownership of cars, generally, is not the pressing issue in Zones 1 & 2 it is elsewhere. Maybe a bit different at the edges but not all of them.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    murali_s said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Is Khan mad enough to want to do a 4th term? I think not.

    He's a fucikng bed blocker, I wouldn't put it past him. Any other poltiical career is over, for him. He'd be 57 and looking for a constittuency to start out as an MP if he wants a Westminster job years afteer that? Not gonna happen. So, yeah, I can see him going for a 4th. Tragically. And winning, which is even more tragic
    He'll win a 4th, 5th, and 6th term if he wants to. He calls the shots in London. Susan Hall is just a prelude to what is coming as far as the Tories are concerned. Popcorn time after the next GE as Badenoch, Braverman, Truss and other fruitloops in the Tory slug it out.

    London is a great city and we will continue to say "F*ck off" to the Tories.
    WAtching from a distance, I'm genuinely astounded. For months, we had wall to wall ULEZzery on PB on how Mr Khan was doomed, ditto because of tent cities, unavailability of traditional eel pie on ever street corner, etc. etc.
    Then you know as little of London as we do of Scotland, as you often point out

    It was obvious that Hall was a profoundly mediocre candidate. As soon as they announced her as standing against Khan we all knew that was it, the mayoralty was lost again. Shaun Bailey was a fairly weak candidate, but he was better than that silly woman

    Just trying to remember who was saying on PB only last week Mr Khan was doomed because reasons. But it slips my mind. Probably because I need to go and open a bottle of pinot grigio to go with the risotto.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    So has Donald Trump yet congratulated Susan Hall on her stunning victory over the forces of Woke?
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 3,647
    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    murali_s said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    Is Khan mad enough to want to do a 4th term? I think not.

    He's a fucikng bed blocker, I wouldn't put it past him. Any other poltiical career is over, for him. He'd be 57 and looking for a constittuency to start out as an MP if he wants a Westminster job years afteer that? Not gonna happen. So, yeah, I can see him going for a 4th. Tragically. And winning, which is even more tragic
    He'll win a 4th, 5th, and 6th term if he wants to. He calls the shots in London. Susan Hall is just a prelude to what is coming as far as the Tories are concerned. Popcorn time after the next GE as Badenoch, Braverman, Truss and other fruitloops in the Tory slug it out.

    London is a great city and we will continue to say "F*ck off" to the Tories.
    WAtching from a distance, I'm genuinely astounded. For months, we had wall to wall ULEZzery on PB on how Mr Khan was doomed, ditto because of tent cities, unavailability of traditional eel pie on ever street corner, etc. etc.
    The ULEZ thing tends to be brought up by Tories who’ve never lived in Central London. Ownership of cars, generally, is not the pressing issue in Zones 1 & 2 it is elsewhere. Maybe a bit different at the edges but not all of them.
    The biggest issue with ULEZ was lack of support for those commuting outside of London and into London. But who to blame for that, well, erh the Tories.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    A few months back I went out for a pizza with some mates in Peckham and staggered home ten hours later after going to two clubs, crashing a 30th birthday party, drinking some woman's breast milk and generally having a bloody great time. Sadiq Khan haters please explain.
    Perhaps you're just getting old?
    Five WEEKS ago I spent three long wondrous days taking yopo, mambe (you don't even know what that is), and ayahuasca in the jungles of Colombia about ten minutes from Pablo Escobar's hippo themed drug and execution palace with the world's greatest scientific expert on DMT, a famous movie director, two billionaires, a US/German film crew, a beautiful and celebrated Swiss musician and the great NIECE of Virginia Woolf, and a famous ayahuesquero who recently escaped assassination in Medellin and we all did San Pedro after that

    You went out in ++ checks notes ++ "Peckham"
    Very nice but I bet you couldn't get the bus home.
    I did. God was driving
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,843
    ToryJim said:

    Just spotted that the newly minted London Assembly member for West Central is the son of Heather Small. I’ll let others suggest which of her back catalogue should apply to current circumstances…

    Search for the Hero
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    People so often fight the previous election, and are so often wrong. I'm fairly doubtful Khan will even be the candidate next time, so why necessarily choose someone to contrast with him?

    Also, you're talking about what you want, and that's fine. But is it at all appealing to voters in Bexley and Hillingdon? People move to those places specifically to get away from what you'd describe as "fun".
    The Tories need to win over cool young arty people in the inner city, like me, not boring middleaged suburban twonks like @OnlyLivingBoy, @Anabobazina and @TimS

    They already have the Ulezzers
    Young? You? If you're young I'm claiming my teenage years back.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    I can heartily recommend mambe, by the way. A delightful drug, like mild cocaine mixed with a really really excellent cup of tea, with a glass of champagne, taken as a quid of chewing powder

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ypadu
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,406
    ToryJim said:

    Just spotted that the newly minted London Assembly member for West Central is the son of Heather Small. I’ll let others suggest which of her back catalogue should apply to current circumstances…

    Also the son of RL legend and RU coach, and my childhood mate and halfback partner, Shaun Edwards.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,636

    NEW THREAD

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,900

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    Hmm. Some TwiX users appear to be blaming this same Kate Ferguson for the Hall's won rumours.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    ...

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    A few months back I went out for a pizza with some mates in Peckham and staggered home ten hours later after going to two clubs, crashing a 30th birthday party, drinking some woman's breast milk and generally having a bloody great time. Sadiq Khan haters please explain.
    Perhaps you're just getting old?
    Maaate.

    image
    Perhaps there were extenuating circumstances - he could have been stuck in a lift with her over an extended period.
  • legatuslegatus Posts: 126

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    That does not add up. Parties do not decide whether a recount happens . Only the Returning Officer can turn down a request - albeit at risk of legal challenge.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,806
    edited May 4

    Will not be disappointed by Street losing.

    Wear your affiliation with pride. None of this pretending you’re an independent when you clearly aren’t.

    Metro Mayors have to do that realistically, as they need to work with Governments as well as with Council leaders on their patch of any political hue. That's particularly the case where you're not going to win if it's a down the line party vote.

    No doubt the Tories would far rather have a Mayor of the West Midlands (or Tees Valley or anywhere else) who is branded as an "independent minded" Tory than have a Labour Mayor. Having a very loyalist figure would no doubt be ideal, but isn't at all realistic.
    It’s cowardice. Every time the Tories get unpopular, you get Tories trying to distance themselves from their party whilst not having the balls to leave. You don’t tend to get it with Labour.

    My recent election literature from Stuart Anderson, Tory candidate for South Shropshire is notable for the almost complete absence of reference to his affiliation. Cowardice.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784

    Leon said:

    A possible winning Tory slogan: "Make London Great Again"

    Yes indeed. One of the major points against the awful Khan is that he is so bloody miserable and depressing. A little man, with little vision. Boris and Ken - in very different ways - managed to express the larger than life persona you need to boost a great world city like London

    So the Tory message for next time, must be boosterism. Make London Dance Again. Make London Happy Again. Make London Go On A Bender And Wake Up With Strange Panties On Its Head Again, etc etc. I'm quite serious. This is what would beat that dreary grey teetotal dwarf Khan, who has probably never been to a party in his life. FUN

    Make London FUN Again

    Next time, the Tory needs to be extrovert, amusing and smartly charming. That will win
    A few months back I went out for a pizza with some mates in Peckham and staggered home ten hours later after going to two clubs, crashing a 30th birthday party, drinking some woman's breast milk and generally having a bloody great time. Sadiq Khan haters please explain.
    Perhaps you're just getting old?
    Maaate.

    Cringe.
    Sorry you missed it.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,534
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Khan's support actually increased, so how do we interpret that as anything but an endorsement for ULEZ?

    I've been saying this for months, the people opposed to ULEZ don't live in London. Londoners either don't care (as they don't drive) or they are supportive.

    The Tories were entirely wrong to oppose it (of course they forced Khan to bring it in but that's a different story). They have got completely the wrong end of the stick and done the opposite of what they should have done.

    In Outer London, where people drive, Khan's vote didn't increase (except in the wealthy pro green SW), in inner London it did.

    His margin in inner London, where you can use a bus, taxi or tube and don't need the car, was enough to secure him victory in London overall
    Did he receive more votes than last time or not? It's a yes or no question.
    In inner London yes his margin was up, in Outer London there was no change and indeed in some areas like Bexley and Bromley Hall won comfortably
    Khan's vote went up in B&B compared to 2021.
    Hall's vote went up more, Bailey got 100630 first preference votes in 2021 while she got 111,216 votes this year.

    Khan got 44350 in 2021 and 48,952 votes this year
    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/bexley-bromley-results
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-68609732/page/3
    Doesn't matter. The question was whther Khan's vote went up. Which it did.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,904

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Khan's support actually increased, so how do we interpret that as anything but an endorsement for ULEZ?

    I've been saying this for months, the people opposed to ULEZ don't live in London. Londoners either don't care (as they don't drive) or they are supportive.

    The Tories were entirely wrong to oppose it (of course they forced Khan to bring it in but that's a different story). They have got completely the wrong end of the stick and done the opposite of what they should have done.

    In Outer London, where people drive, Khan's vote didn't increase (except in the wealthy pro green SW), in inner London it did.

    His margin in inner London, where you can use a bus, taxi or tube and don't need the car, was enough to secure him victory in London overall
    Did he receive more votes than last time or not? It's a yes or no question.
    In inner London yes his margin was up, in Outer London there was no change and indeed in some areas like Bexley and Bromley Hall won comfortably
    Khan's vote went up in B&B compared to 2021.
    Hall's vote went up more, Bailey got 100630 first preference votes in 2021 while she got 111,216 votes this year.

    Khan got 44350 in 2021 and 48,952 votes this year
    https://www.londonelects.org.uk/bexley-bromley-results
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-68609732/page/3
    Doesn't matter. The question was whther Khan's vote went up. Which it did.
    And Johnson rigged the voting system to help both of them.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,259

    Drama at the West Mids count !

    🔥 Row as apparently Labour refusing to have recount of whole Birmingham
    🔥 More Andy Street votes have been found in the Coventry ward
    🔥 Sandwell having to recall staff back from the pub for recounts


    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1786797001922785447

    If you have to call someone back from the pub can you guarantee the quality of the count?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...
    ToryJim said:

    Just spotted that the newly minted London Assembly member for West Central is the son of Heather Small. I’ll let others suggest which of her back catalogue should apply to current circumstances…

    And son of former Wales and the current French defence coach Shaun Edwards.
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