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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758

    FPT

    ...

    The problem with the Lords isn't the hereditaries, it's the assorted lumpen social democratic lobby fodder appointed by successive Governments cluttering up the joint.

    The whole thing is a craven abdication of moral duty, and your girl after ten minutes as PM installed a hatful of no mark donor's to the HoL and Johnson before her rammed it full of starlets and the starstruck (for Johnson).
    I actually think that’s unfair to Truss.

    You may not like their politics, but Elliott (led the Brexit campaign) and Moynihan (entrepreneur who built up PA Consulting) are definitely not “no mark donors”

    Porter is a classical SPAD appointment so a bit meh.
    "unfair to Truss" shouldn't exist as a phrase. The MoD should use even the slightest, ghastliest, whiff of her as a test for everything they have in their arsenal.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    edited April 2


    @DominoR87778
    Number of people England who voted Labour at a GE

    2017: Corbyn 11.4 mill
    1997: Blair 11.3 mill
    1992: Kinnock 9.6 mill
    2019: Corbyn 9.2 mill
    2001: Blair 9.1 mill
    2015: Miliband 8.1 mill
    2005: Blair 8.0 mill
    2010: Brown 7.0 mill

    Whilst against the whole establishment

    And the population and therefore the electorate grow over time, significantly so after 25 years or more..
    John Major's 1992 score of 14.1 million votes still hasn't been beaten.
    Perhaps that should be Rishi's template. Forget the high-tech digital stuff, pretend all that hasn't even been invented, and get out there, just him, a megaphone and an upturned box, one man taking his message in the raw* to every town and village square in England, asking people for their trust, their support, their vote.

    * by which I mean appearing unfiltered and authentic rather than with no clothes on.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664

    kjh said:

    Sitting in hospital having just had my trigger finger op (very minor op). The notes they had for me were for someone else with the same name. Still got that sorted and they didn't amputate my leg by accident so all is well. Waiting to be discharged now.

    I think I'd make a bit of a fuss about that.

    Not because it had caused harm or to be awkward but because it must be a risk for future patients and should be fixed.


    The chances of anyone actually listening or changing their broken process must be pretty low though (one of the many problem with the NHS).
    A few years ago, yours truly went to my local health provider for some blood work ordered by my doctor.

    The procedure at the lab, was for staff to ask patients NOT just about their names BUT also for their date of birth.

    Turned out that another guy also at the lab for tests, also had my same first and last name; but different DOB.

    Thankfully they checked BOTH names AND birth dates.
    My NHS experience of the past couple of years is of always being asked for my date of birth first, which presumably then pops up candidate names on the NHS computer, then name, and finally partial address. (Sometimes it worries me that people nearby can hear all this but I suppose it is better than having the wrong leg lopped off.)
    It is quite useful when you have a 29th February date as I do as there are very much fewer patients on NHS records born on the 29th February
    The probability of same name / same DOB is unchanged though?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311

    FPT: For Topping (and others), the findings in this book:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millionaire_Next_Door

    "Most of the millionaire households that they profiled did not have the extravagant lifestyles that most people would assume. This finding is backed up by surveys indicating how little these millionaire households have spent on such things as cars, watches, clothing, and other luxury products/services. Most importantly, the book gives a list of reasons for why these people managed to accumulate so much wealth (the top one being that "They live below their means")."

    (One finding that may amuse some of you: Scots families in the US were, at the time of the study, about twice as likely to be millionaires as English families.)

    No surprise and that despite the English nicking most of our money
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    kjh said:

    Sitting in hospital having just had my trigger finger op (very minor op). The notes they had for me were for someone else with the same name. Still got that sorted and they didn't amputate my leg by accident so all is well. Waiting to be discharged now.

    I think I'd make a bit of a fuss about that.

    Not because it had caused harm or to be awkward but because it must be a risk for future patients and should be fixed.


    The chances of anyone actually listening or changing their broken process must be pretty low though (one of the many problem with the NHS).
    A few years ago, yours truly went to my local health provider for some blood work ordered by my doctor.

    The procedure at the lab, was for staff to ask patients NOT just about their names BUT also for their date of birth.

    Turned out that another guy also at the lab for tests, also had my same first and last name; but different DOB.

    Thankfully they checked BOTH names AND birth dates.
    My NHS experience of the past couple of years is of always being asked for my date of birth first, which presumably then pops up candidate names on the NHS computer, then name, and finally partial address. (Sometimes it worries me that people nearby can hear all this but I suppose it is better than having the wrong leg lopped off.)
    It is quite useful when you have a 29th February date as I do as there are very much fewer patients on NHS records born on the 29th February
    Explains why you're still so well-preserved, after celebrating your 20th-something birthday?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417
    mwadams said:

    kjh said:

    Sitting in hospital having just had my trigger finger op (very minor op). The notes they had for me were for someone else with the same name. Still got that sorted and they didn't amputate my leg by accident so all is well. Waiting to be discharged now.

    I think I'd make a bit of a fuss about that.

    Not because it had caused harm or to be awkward but because it must be a risk for future patients and should be fixed.


    The chances of anyone actually listening or changing their broken process must be pretty low though (one of the many problem with the NHS).
    A few years ago, yours truly went to my local health provider for some blood work ordered by my doctor.

    The procedure at the lab, was for staff to ask patients NOT just about their names BUT also for their date of birth.

    Turned out that another guy also at the lab for tests, also had my same first and last name; but different DOB.

    Thankfully they checked BOTH names AND birth dates.
    Name and DOB are better but might not be sufficient.

    Admittedly it is a low probability event to have 'twins' in the same hospital but as Mrs Flatlander will tell you (a saga with HMRC which I recounted on here a while back) there is still a non-zero chance of confusion.

    I thought this was what patient wrist bands were for?
    My real first name is extremely unusual, although my second isn’t. Doing some genealogical research I found someone with the exact same name. Dead now, I’m sure.
    Quite often get my names reversed in hospital. I understand, and don’t get cross, until the ‘offending’ member of staff argues with me.
    I *used* to get `Adam Matthews` as a result of family name/given name box transposition when transcribing a paper form to computers. Since everything has long since been computers-first-and-only, that has dropped to `almost never`.

    ETA: I still call in a hit squad every time anyone calls me "Matt" though.
    Yes, would annoy me too. Although I’ve a cousin who was christened Matthew and has been known as Matt since childhood.
    His brother was Richard and no-one to my knowledge ever called him Dick.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,865
    dixiedean said:

    OT shopping sitrep. No Covid masks. The many foodbank donation bins were full to overflowing, presumably due to Ramadan with help from Easter and Passover.

    Presumably because the regular volunteer who empties them is away?
    Could be! No, I think Islam encourages charitable donations (cf church tithes) and Ramadan reminds Muslims of their obligations on that front although in theory it is a year-round thing. For the same reason there is also an increased number of appeals by Muslim charities.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627

    FPT: For Topping (and others), the findings in this book:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millionaire_Next_Door

    "Most of the millionaire households that they profiled did not have the extravagant lifestyles that most people would assume. This finding is backed up by surveys indicating how little these millionaire households have spent on such things as cars, watches, clothing, and other luxury products/services. Most importantly, the book gives a list of reasons for why these people managed to accumulate so much wealth (the top one being that "They live below their means")."

    (One finding that may amuse some of you: Scots families in the US were, at the time of the study, about twice as likely to be millionaires as English families.)

    Yes, you don't get rich spending money!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Heathener said:

    O/t football is heading for a big problem.

    This isn’t about something woke (as if I’d mind that). It’s a serious issue.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68713327

    Raphael Varane: Man Utd and France defender says heading has 'damaged his body’

    Good evening

    There is a lot of evidence the damage heading does to a footballer especially in later life

    I was playing a football match in Edinburgh in 1962 when I was elbowed in the back of the neck

    Apparently I played for another 10 minutes before collapsing on the field and an ambulance was called. In the ambulance I said to my now wife you are wearing an engagement ring and who are you engaged to, before collapsing back into unconsciousness

    I woke about 3.00am in the trauma ward of Edinburgh Royal Infirmary being violently sick and had no idea what had happened

    It took over 6 months to recall going out to the match and playing, and even today I cannot recall everything about that evening

    I didn't play football again and this is one isolated incident

    The time may come when heading is outlawed but the game would not be recognisable
    I was interested to see that measures against damage from heading are 'woke'. Makes sense. Their opponents will very much be unwoke in the long run.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    dixiedean said:

    OT shopping sitrep. No Covid masks. The many foodbank donation bins were full to overflowing, presumably due to Ramadan with help from Easter and Passover.

    Presumably because the regular volunteer who empties them is away?
    Could be! No, I think Islam encourages charitable donations (cf church tithes) and Ramadan reminds Muslims of their obligations on that front although in theory it is a year-round thing. For the same reason there is also an increased number of appeals by Muslim charities.
    Zakat isn’t it?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,678

    Heathener said:

    O/t football is heading for a big problem.

    This isn’t about something woke (as if I’d mind that). It’s a serious issue.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68713327

    Raphael Varane: Man Utd and France defender says heading has 'damaged his body’

    Good evening

    There is a lot of evidence the damage heading does to a footballer especially in later life

    I was playing a football match in Edinburgh in 1962 when I was elbowed in the back of the neck

    Apparently I played for another 10 minutes before collapsing on the field and an ambulance was called. In the ambulance I said to my now wife you are wearing an engagement ring and who are you engaged to, before collapsing back into unconsciousness

    I woke about 3.00am in the trauma ward of Edinburgh Royal Infirmary being violently sick and had no idea what had happened

    It took over 6 months to recall going out to the match and playing, and even today I cannot recall everything about that evening

    I didn't play football again and this is one isolated incident

    The time may come when heading is outlawed but the game would not be recognisable
    Yes, I know a guy who clashed heads with another fielder during a cricket match. He continued fielding until the end of the match, but had no recollection of anything except gazing up at the moon in the pub garden afterwards. At some point after that he collapsed and was carted off in an ambulance.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Point of JKR exercise was NOT search for Truth (legal or otherwise3) but rather pursuit of ideology.

    Mission accomplished.
    Scottish government minister said it most definitely was in the remit , that is the reason d'etre of the halfwits and their weirdo green buddies.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576

    kjh said:

    Sitting in hospital having just had my trigger finger op (very minor op). The notes they had for me were for someone else with the same name. Still got that sorted and they didn't amputate my leg by accident so all is well. Waiting to be discharged now.

    I think I'd make a bit of a fuss about that.

    Not because it had caused harm or to be awkward but because it must be a risk for future patients and should be fixed.


    The chances of anyone actually listening or changing their broken process must be pretty low though (one of the many problem with the NHS).
    A few years ago, yours truly went to my local health provider for some blood work ordered by my doctor.

    The procedure at the lab, was for staff to ask patients NOT just about their names BUT also for their date of birth.

    Turned out that another guy also at the lab for tests, also had my same first and last name; but different DOB.

    Thankfully they checked BOTH names AND birth dates.
    My NHS experience of the past couple of years is of always being asked for my date of birth first, which presumably then pops up candidate names on the NHS computer, then name, and finally partial address. (Sometimes it worries me that people nearby can hear all this but I suppose it is better than having the wrong leg lopped off.)
    It is quite useful when you have a 29th February date as I do as there are very much fewer patients on NHS records born on the 29th February
    The probability of same name / same DOB is unchanged though?
    Same name and same date of birth is unchanged (and tiny, which is why that combination is used), same name and same birthday is a quarter of the chance when the birthday is 29th Feb though (leaving aside small season variations in birthdays).
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    edited April 2

    kjh said:

    Sitting in hospital having just had my trigger finger op (very minor op). The notes they had for me were for someone else with the same name. Still got that sorted and they didn't amputate my leg by accident so all is well. Waiting to be discharged now.

    I think I'd make a bit of a fuss about that.

    Not because it had caused harm or to be awkward but because it must be a risk for future patients and should be fixed.


    The chances of anyone actually listening or changing their broken process must be pretty low though (one of the many problem with the NHS).
    A few years ago, yours truly went to my local health provider for some blood work ordered by my doctor.

    The procedure at the lab, was for staff to ask patients NOT just about their names BUT also for their date of birth.

    Turned out that another guy also at the lab for tests, also had my same first and last name; but different DOB.

    Thankfully they checked BOTH names AND birth dates.
    My NHS experience of the past couple of years is of always being asked for my date of birth first, which presumably then pops up candidate names on the NHS computer, then name, and finally partial address. (Sometimes it worries me that people nearby can hear all this but I suppose it is better than having the wrong leg lopped off.)
    It is quite useful when you have a 29th February date as I do as there are very much fewer patients on NHS records born on the 29th February
    Explains why you're still so well-preserved, after celebrating your 20th-something birthday?
    Well preserved only by my recent pacemaker, otherwise according to my consultant the 2019 GE may have been my last GE
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    Foxy said:

    FPT: For Topping (and others), the findings in this book:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millionaire_Next_Door

    "Most of the millionaire households that they profiled did not have the extravagant lifestyles that most people would assume. This finding is backed up by surveys indicating how little these millionaire households have spent on such things as cars, watches, clothing, and other luxury products/services. Most importantly, the book gives a list of reasons for why these people managed to accumulate so much wealth (the top one being that "They live below their means")."

    (One finding that may amuse some of you: Scots families in the US were, at the time of the study, about twice as likely to be millionaires as English families.)

    Yes, you don't get rich spending money!
    I can atest to that
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    FPT

    ...

    The problem with the Lords isn't the hereditaries, it's the assorted lumpen social democratic lobby fodder appointed by successive Governments cluttering up the joint.

    The whole thing is a craven abdication of moral duty, and your girl after ten minutes as PM installed a hatful of no mark donor's to the HoL and Johnson before her rammed it full of starlets and the starstruck (for Johnson).
    I actually think that’s unfair to Truss.

    You may not like their politics, but Elliott (led the Brexit campaign) and Moynihan (entrepreneur who built up PA Consulting) are definitely not “no mark donors”

    Porter is a classical SPAD appointment so a bit meh.
    It is not unfair a) on morality grounds because she had only been PM for 49 days or 5 minutes, take your pick and b) they were partisan political appointees irrespective of their back story.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    For all you AI fan-boys/bots out there in PB land . . .

    Courthouse News Service - California authors can’t intervene in ChatGPT copyright cases pending in New York

    A Manhattan judge refused to allow intervenors to possibly disrupt the expedited timeline of four consolidated copyright cases against ChatGPT-maker OpenAI pending in New York federal court.

    https://www.courthousenews.com/california-authors-cant-intervene-in-chatgpt-copyright-cases-pending-in-new-york/
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    kjh said:

    Sitting in hospital having just had my trigger finger op (very minor op). The notes they had for me were for someone else with the same name. Still got that sorted and they didn't amputate my leg by accident so all is well. Waiting to be discharged now.

    I think I'd make a bit of a fuss about that.

    Not because it had caused harm or to be awkward but because it must be a risk for future patients and should be fixed.


    The chances of anyone actually listening or changing their broken process must be pretty low though (one of the many problem with the NHS).
    A few years ago, yours truly went to my local health provider for some blood work ordered by my doctor.

    The procedure at the lab, was for staff to ask patients NOT just about their names BUT also for their date of birth.

    Turned out that another guy also at the lab for tests, also had my same first and last name; but different DOB.

    Thankfully they checked BOTH names AND birth dates.
    My NHS experience of the past couple of years is of always being asked for my date of birth first, which presumably then pops up candidate names on the NHS computer, then name, and finally partial address. (Sometimes it worries me that people nearby can hear all this but I suppose it is better than having the wrong leg lopped off.)
    It is quite useful when you have a 29th February date as I do as there are very much fewer patients on NHS records born on the 29th February
    Explains why you're still so well-preserved, after celebrating your 20th-something birthday?
    Well preserved only by my recent pacemaker, otherwise according to my consultant the 2019 GE may have been my last GE
    Already got a pacemaker in your early 20s? You must REALLY be a party-hearty kind of guy!
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782
    Also I don't think there was much chance of me losing a leg as I was conscious during the op. I think I might have noticed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061
    Luntz is back on board the MAGA train, if this nonsense is anuything to go by.

    https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1775112480311689417
    It's his first Wisconsin appearance in 2 years, so why is Joe Biden going to predominantly white Green Bay rather than more racially diverse Milwaukee or college town Madison?


    ...Community note.

    "Biden visited Milwaukee in March 2024. https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/03/13/takeaways-from-president-joe-bidens-trip-to-milwaukee/72950737007/
    The article Luntz links to says Trump is the one visiting Green Bay, while Biden is in fact going to Madison. "
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
  • How anyone can oppose Labour's sensible remove hereditary peers stuff is beyond me. These people are there literally through no talent or skill, just where they were born. It is batty
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    kjh said:

    Also I don't think there was much chance of me losing a leg as I was conscious during the op. I think I might have noticed.

    You would be surprised!

    Someone removed a mole from the wrong patient in my Trust a few years back under LA. He had answered to the wrong name.

    This is why we are pedantic about WHO checklists. Usually when these errors happen it's because someone hasn't done the checks properly.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    If even Scottish Tories are saying what you are saying up front ...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129


    @DominoR87778
    Number of people England who voted Labour at a GE

    2017: Corbyn 11.4 mill
    1997: Blair 11.3 mill
    1992: Kinnock 9.6 mill
    2019: Corbyn 9.2 mill
    2001: Blair 9.1 mill
    2015: Miliband 8.1 mill
    2005: Blair 8.0 mill
    2010: Brown 7.0 mill

    Whilst against the whole establishment

    You do know that the population of England increased somewhat between 1997 and 2017, right?

    And you do know, that it is not only people in England that get a vote?

    And you do know that under the FPTP system, if you motivate people to vote against you, then then raw vote totals can be... misleading... as regards electoral outcomes?

    I just want to check you are aware of those things.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    edited April 2
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    The comments from many in the Scottish Government on the matter appear somewhat different. I shall defer to the excellent Mrs @Cyclefree and yesterday’s header on the subject.

    It’s also worth noting that this discussion has crossed the Pond - here’s an epic five-hour podcast with Joe Rogan and four comedian friends last week, that opened with discussions about this new law. https://youtube.com/watch?v=cV71YMAwIXY
    It’s fair to say that not many American comics will turn up in Edinburgh this year, if they feel that their speech might be policed by the actual Scottish police. That’s a direct hit to the Scottish economy, for as long as it takes for the actual implications of this law to become known by case law and appellate courts.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    edited April 2

    How anyone can oppose Labour's sensible remove hereditary peers stuff is beyond me. These people are there literally through no talent or skill, just where they were born. It is batty

    Some have talent and skill. Ian Botham was a fine cricketer.
    As a Lord in the legislature, however, he is utterly preposterous.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,213
    Andy_JS said:

    Anecdote: until this year I'd never seen anyone fare dodging when getting on the London Underground, even though I use it fairly often. So far this year I've seen it happen quite a few times, right in front of staff at the gates. People brazenly pushing their way through the barriers, seemingly safe in the knowledge that no-one will do anything about it.

    This modern phenomenon is as a result of a sequence of well intentioned, generally good actions.

    1) in times past, ticket collectors, guards etc, would physically tackle fare dodgers
    2) this is now banned - physical risk to staff, legal liability for companies.
    3) this is good - less injured employees, less injury (and worse) due to amateur attempts at restraining people etc.
    4) at this point someone raises “The Police” as a solution. The police were never present in enough numbers to actually tackle shop lifting or fare dodging. Their job was to turn up half an hour later to collect the miscreants from the hero employees.

    See the push to decriminalise shop lifting.

    No, manned tills dont anything - talk to the staff on high street shops who tell if thefts in front of them, with the shop lifters *trying* to cause physical contact. So they can claim assault.

    The future? Well, the local Tesco franchise has a “cousin” of the manager who isn’t employed by the store (no sir) who tackles shop lifters and goes to magistrates court moderately regularly for assault.

    Other, higher tech stores are looking at gated entry, linked to video ID’ing of wrong uns. Look out for the Guardian articles about the poor being locked out of stores.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    With respect to the Great Trans Debate, a PBer (forget who) opined recently, that unlike in UK, in US the trans issue was "subsumed" (think that was the term) into/by the debate over abortion in wake of repeal of Roe v Wade.

    Which is NOT really correct, at least IMHO.

    For example, the recent MAGA-manufactured flap over coincidence of Easter (a notoriously "movable feast") being same day as Transgender Visibility Day.

    Which as far as I can tell, had ZERO to do with the pro-life versus pro-choice controversy.

    Personally think that GOPer politicos and their mouthpieces are banging the anti-trans drum so loudly, is because of its appeal to voters BEYOND the core pro-life constituency.

    That is, to folks who are either pro-choice or ambivalent on abortion, BUT who (for whatever reason) are opposed to and/or repulsed by gender-bending.

    Note that there was similar dynamic a generation ago, when GOP campaigned with vigor against gays and lesbians. For example, with TV campaign ads featuring the alleged debauchery of San Francisco Gay Pride parades.

    So GOP nutbags still making a meal of the homophobia, but beyond this, the MAGA-GOP has switched to anti-trans, as having broader (ahem) appeal.
  • It is so wonderful to be on the 7th year of a Corbyn Government, at least I assume that is the reality @bigjohnowls inhabits.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    Andy_JS said:

    Anecdote: until this year I'd never seen anyone fare dodging when getting on the London Underground, even though I use it fairly often. So far this year I've seen it happen quite a few times, right in front of staff at the gates. People brazenly pushing their way through the barriers, seemingly safe in the knowledge that no-one will do anything about it.

    I'm surprised you've not seen it until recently, I've seen it many times going back decades; perhaps I frequent ropier parts of town than you do! When I was a kid in Newcastle in the 80s I remember people jumping the Metro barriers all the time. I'm not sure if I've seen fare dodging more often recently. Maybe. I saw a young woman tailgating her pal through the barrier at Honor Oak the other day, they were both eating McDonald's which I thought was quite on brand.
  • So they're going to fine homeless people.

    Do homeless people have a lot of money to pay fines?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    Just watched the Conservative PPB for LE2024

    These local Candidates sound amazing.

    Their track record sounds brilliant.

    FFS who do they think we are?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,865
    rcs1000 said:


    @DominoR87778
    Number of people England who voted Labour at a GE

    2017: Corbyn 11.4 mill
    1997: Blair 11.3 mill
    1992: Kinnock 9.6 mill
    2019: Corbyn 9.2 mill
    2001: Blair 9.1 mill
    2015: Miliband 8.1 mill
    2005: Blair 8.0 mill
    2010: Brown 7.0 mill

    Whilst against the whole establishment

    You do know that the population of England increased somewhat between 1997 and 2017, right?

    And you do know, that it is not only people in England that get a vote?

    And you do know that under the FPTP system, if you motivate people to vote against you, then then raw vote totals can be... misleading... as regards electoral outcomes?

    I just want to check you are aware of those things.
    All true but not necessarily relevant. The fact is that for all his myriad flaws, Corbyn's Labour was quite attractive in 2017 and did remove the Conservatives' majority even though the government had a huge poll lead at the start of the campaign. CCHQ understood this which is why a lot of Boris's 2019 landslide borrowed heavily from Corbyn (and ironically Labour went back to the failed Miliband formula).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311
    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Issue for ordinary punters is police can decide not to take furthjer but add you to the HCR regsiter an dyou would not know anything about it and so could have issues later with all sorts of things given all public bodies , HR depts etc will have access to it.
  • Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 3,647
    edited April 2

    rcs1000 said:


    @DominoR87778
    Number of people England who voted Labour at a GE

    2017: Corbyn 11.4 mill
    1997: Blair 11.3 mill
    1992: Kinnock 9.6 mill
    2019: Corbyn 9.2 mill
    2001: Blair 9.1 mill
    2015: Miliband 8.1 mill
    2005: Blair 8.0 mill
    2010: Brown 7.0 mill

    Whilst against the whole establishment

    You do know that the population of England increased somewhat between 1997 and 2017, right?

    And you do know, that it is not only people in England that get a vote?

    And you do know that under the FPTP system, if you motivate people to vote against you, then then raw vote totals can be... misleading... as regards electoral outcomes?

    I just want to check you are aware of those things.
    All true but not necessarily relevant. The fact is that for all his myriad flaws, Corbyn's Labour was quite attractive in 2017 and did remove the Conservatives' majority even though the government had a huge poll lead at the start of the campaign. CCHQ understood this which is why a lot of Boris's 2019 landslide borrowed heavily from Corbyn (and ironically Labour went back to the failed Miliband formula).
    The counterfactual is Corbyn immediately supports the May Government on Russia's poisoning and offers the 2017 manifesto again, do they do better?

    I would argue it was the unpopularity of Corbyn, not the popularity of the Tories, that produced the result. It is why a reversal was always underpriced and why I said at the time it was nonsensical that the Tories thought they'd solved elections when they won with the most unpopular leader they'd ever had.

    Arguably if Labour had done my suggestion above and done Keir Starmer's Brexit policy from the day after 2017, they'd probably be in government now.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889
    Yes we have all out elections too. That includes council seats in new wards in areas that were up in bad years locally for the Tories, ie 2023 and 2022 as well as the better year of 2021.

    That combined with fewer seats being up than last year and a reasonable performance by Susan Hall given current polls mean the local elections, although bad, won't be bad enough for Sunak to be removed by Tory MPs and he will survive until the general election as leader and PM
  • HYUFD said:

    Yes we have all out elections too. That includes council seats in new wards in areas that were up in bad years locally for the Tories, ie 2023 and 2022 as well as the better year of 2021.

    That combined with fewer seats being up than last year and a reasonable performance by Susan Hall given current polls mean the local elections, although bad, won't be bad enough for Sunak to be removed by Tory MPs and he will survive until the general election as leader and PM

    I'd vote for you HYUFD!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656

    It is so wonderful to be on the 7th year of a Corbyn Government, at least I assume that is the reality @bigjohnowls inhabits.

    Sadly not your backroom boys made sure that could not happen by diverting funds and efforts away from key marginals to safe Right Wing Labour Constituencies

    You should hang your head in shame that SKS types enabled 14 years of Tory misrule
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Nicky Morgan.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129

    rcs1000 said:


    @DominoR87778
    Number of people England who voted Labour at a GE

    2017: Corbyn 11.4 mill
    1997: Blair 11.3 mill
    1992: Kinnock 9.6 mill
    2019: Corbyn 9.2 mill
    2001: Blair 9.1 mill
    2015: Miliband 8.1 mill
    2005: Blair 8.0 mill
    2010: Brown 7.0 mill

    Whilst against the whole establishment

    You do know that the population of England increased somewhat between 1997 and 2017, right?

    And you do know, that it is not only people in England that get a vote?

    And you do know that under the FPTP system, if you motivate people to vote against you, then then raw vote totals can be... misleading... as regards electoral outcomes?

    I just want to check you are aware of those things.
    All true but not necessarily relevant. The fact is that for all his myriad flaws, Corbyn's Labour was quite attractive in 2017 and did remove the Conservatives' majority even though the government had a huge poll lead at the start of the campaign. CCHQ understood this which is why a lot of Boris's 2019 landslide borrowed heavily from Corbyn (and ironically Labour went back to the failed Miliband formula).
    I disagree: I think people voted for Corbyn safe in the knowledge he wouldn't win. Later, when people thought he *might* win, his vote share dropped markedly, and the Conservatives got a stonking majority.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Bob Spink? Castle Point’s MP once upon a time
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,889


    @DominoR87778
    Number of people England who voted Labour at a GE

    2017: Corbyn 11.4 mill
    1997: Blair 11.3 mill
    1992: Kinnock 9.6 mill
    2019: Corbyn 9.2 mill
    2001: Blair 9.1 mill
    2015: Miliband 8.1 mill
    2005: Blair 8.0 mill
    2010: Brown 7.0 mill

    Whilst against the whole establishment

    12.3 million though voted even for May's Tories in England in 2017 and 12.7 million for Boris in 2019. In part to keep Corbyn out
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    @bigjohnowls

    I look forward you posting - and celebrating - the upcoming record performance of Starmer, when he registers more Labour votes in England than Corbyn achieved in 2017.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,213

    It is so wonderful to be on the 7th year of a Corbyn Government, at least I assume that is the reality @bigjohnowls inhabits.

    No, you are wrong.

    The worst possible outcome would be for The Jessiah to actually reach No. 10

    This would involve compromise, schism, the shattering of the True Faith. Reality.

    The King Over The Water is always better than The King In The Royal Bath.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    Aid ships are turning back from Gaza with around 240 tons of undelivered aid after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers.

    Just in case anyone was wondering what could possibly be gained by the IDF bombing the World Central Kitchen aid convoy.

    Genocide lovers please explain

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:


    @DominoR87778
    Number of people England who voted Labour at a GE

    2017: Corbyn 11.4 mill
    1997: Blair 11.3 mill
    1992: Kinnock 9.6 mill
    2019: Corbyn 9.2 mill
    2001: Blair 9.1 mill
    2015: Miliband 8.1 mill
    2005: Blair 8.0 mill
    2010: Brown 7.0 mill

    Whilst against the whole establishment

    You do know that the population of England increased somewhat between 1997 and 2017, right?

    And you do know, that it is not only people in England that get a vote?

    And you do know that under the FPTP system, if you motivate people to vote against you, then then raw vote totals can be... misleading... as regards electoral outcomes?

    I just want to check you are aware of those things.
    All true but not necessarily relevant. The fact is that for all his myriad flaws, Corbyn's Labour was quite attractive in 2017 and did remove the Conservatives' majority even though the government had a huge poll lead at the start of the campaign. CCHQ understood this which is why a lot of Boris's 2019 landslide borrowed heavily from Corbyn (and ironically Labour went back to the failed Miliband formula).
    I disagree: I think people voted for Corbyn safe in the knowledge he wouldn't win. Later, when people thought he *might* win, his vote share dropped markedly, and the Conservatives got a stonking majority.
    Some data.

    https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/18588-why-people-voted-labour-or-conservative-2017-gener
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354
    edited April 2

    It is so wonderful to be on the 7th year of a Corbyn Government, at least I assume that is the reality @bigjohnowls inhabits.

    No, you are wrong.

    The worst possible outcome would be for The Jessiah to actually reach No. 10

    This would involve compromise, schism, the shattering of the True Faith. Reality.

    The King Over The Water is always better than The King In The Royal Bath.
    He kept plugging away though.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656

    Ursula von der Leyen
    @vonderleyen
    ·
    7h
    I pay homage to the @WCKitchen aid workers who lost their lives in Gaza.

    Lost their lives when the Terrorist state we have funded for the last six months murdered them i presume she means
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    edited April 2

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Victoria Atkins at Health and Social care always looks very out her depth. Like a rabbit in the headlights every time.

    But perhaps the best example is Sunak himself.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,214

    It is so wonderful to be on the 7th year of a Corbyn Government, at least I assume that is the reality @bigjohnowls inhabits.

    No, you are wrong.

    The worst possible outcome would be for The Jessiah to actually reach No. 10

    This would involve compromise, schism, the shattering of the True Faith. Reality.

    The King Over The Water is always better than The King In The Royal Bath.
    Ask Al de Pfeffel.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412
    ydoethur said:

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Nicky Morgan.
    Rishi Sunak?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354

    ydoethur said:

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Nicky Morgan.
    Rishi Sunak?
    Liz Truss?

    Actually, lettuce not go there...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    ydoethur said:

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Nicky Morgan.
    Joe (lightweight) Swinson

    & L4%K
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    The comments from many in the Scottish Government on the matter appear somewhat different. I shall defer to the excellent Mrs @Cyclefree and yesterday’s header on the subject.

    It’s also worth noting that this discussion has crossed the Pond - here’s an epic five-hour podcast with Joe Rogan and four comedian friends last week, that opened with discussions about this new law. https://youtube.com/watch?v=cV71YMAwIXY
    It’s fair to say that not many American comics will turn up in Edinburgh this year, if they feel that their speech might be policed by the actual Scottish police. That’s a direct hit to the Scottish economy, for as long as it takes for the actual implications of this law to become known by case law and appellate courts.
    I betcha that it will be full to busting of comedians, American and otherwise, whose entire act will consist of skits cumulating in the phrase "....and try to arrest me for that, Scottish Government, yeah!", whilst being in absolutely no danger of arrest.

    Safe danger. The best kind of danger. If you can afford it.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    My nominee is I.T. Trebitsch-Lincoln.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Have we done this?

    Humza Yousaf has said it is "increasingly difficult" to shield his children from racism after he was targeted with Islamophobic graffiti near his Dundee home.

    Racist slurs relating to the Scottish first minister's Pakistani heritage were sprayed on the walls and fences of homes in a street in Broughty Ferry, on Monday.

    It is near to where the first minister lives with his wife and two children.

    The graffiti, which has since been removed, happened on the day the Scottish government's controversial new hate crime laws came into force.


    https://news.sky.com/story/first-minister-humza-yousaf-condemns-racist-graffiti-aimed-at-him-near-dundee-home-13106494
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Jared O’Mara still takes some beating as the worst MP of the 21st century.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    My nominee is I.T. Trebitsch-Lincoln.
    The Marquess of Granby may feel slighted at being overlooked.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,798
    kjh said:

    Sitting in hospital having just had my trigger finger op (very minor op). The notes they had for me were for someone else with the same name. Still got that sorted and they didn't amputate my leg by accident so all is well. Waiting to be discharged now.

    Yep, could have gone a lot worse.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871
    Andy_JS said:

    Anecdote: until this year I'd never seen anyone fare dodging when getting on the London Underground, even though I use it fairly often. So far this year I've seen it happen quite a few times, right in front of staff at the gates. People brazenly pushing their way through the barriers, seemingly safe in the knowledge that no-one will do anything about it.

    Have to say I've lived in East London since 2005 and it's always been a thing at East Ham. The fare dodgers are often young men though of late I've seen older people, some of them I think working, going through in groups of three or four.

    TfL estimate up to 15% of all journeys are made illegally at a cost of some £160 million to its coffers but as others have said, what can they do? When the revenue inspectors come to East Ham, they usually get a nice haul of offenders but it makes no long term difference. The big problem are the wide gates for luggage which allow groups to get through or tailgate but some just push the gates aside.

    How much would it cost TfL to try to crack down on that last 15% of unpaid journeys? Probably about as much as the lost revenue so it gets tolerated.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    The comments from many in the Scottish Government on the matter appear somewhat different. I shall defer to the excellent Mrs @Cyclefree and yesterday’s header on the subject.

    It’s also worth noting that this discussion has crossed the Pond - here’s an epic five-hour podcast with Joe Rogan and four comedian friends last week, that opened with discussions about this new law. https://youtube.com/watch?v=cV71YMAwIXY
    It’s fair to say that not many American comics will turn up in Edinburgh this year, if they feel that their speech might be policed by the actual Scottish police. That’s a direct hit to the Scottish economy, for as long as it takes for the actual implications of this law to become known by case law and appellate courts.
    I betcha that it will be full to busting of comedians, American and otherwise, whose entire act will consist of skits cumulating in the phrase "....and try to arrest me for that, Scottish Government, yeah!", whilst being in absolutely no danger of arrest.

    Safe danger. The best kind of danger. If you can afford it.
    Plus (or minus for some) majority of comics taking the mickey out of the new law, will make it clear they are PRO-trans.

    NOT performing at the Waco, Texas Home for Evangelical Aged . . . nor for Bugger Bognor Conservative Association.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,620
    Sandpit said:

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Jared O’Mara still takes some beating as the worst MP of the 21st century.
    A Corbynite no less.

    Jeremy Corbyn fans please explain.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,576
    edited April 2
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    The comments from many in the Scottish Government on the matter appear somewhat different. I shall defer to the excellent Mrs @Cyclefree and yesterday’s header on the subject.

    It’s also worth noting that this discussion has crossed the Pond - here’s an epic five-hour podcast with Joe Rogan and four comedian friends last week, that opened with discussions about this new law. https://youtube.com/watch?v=cV71YMAwIXY
    It’s fair to say that not many American comics will turn up in Edinburgh this year, if they feel that their speech might be policed by the actual Scottish police. That’s a direct hit to the Scottish economy, for as long as it takes for the actual implications of this law to become known by case law and appellate courts.
    I betcha that it will be full to busting of comedians, American and otherwise, whose entire act will consist of skits cumulating in the phrase "....and try to arrest me for that, Scottish Government, yeah!", whilst being in absolutely no danger of arrest.

    Safe danger. The best kind of danger. If you can afford it.
    Yes you can well imagine a few US headliners turning up to make a point, and the police ignoring them in the knowledge that they have serious money for lawyers if required. They’re not going to actually arrest a Joe Rogan or Dave Chappelle.

    The hundreds of unknown (and poor) comics who play to small audiences at the Fringe, on the other hand… would be well advised to join the Free Speech Union.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    My nominee is I.T. Trebitsch-Lincoln.
    My son told me his story: it's absolutely insane.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Trebitsch-Lincoln
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656
    rcs1000 said:

    @bigjohnowls

    I look forward you posting - and celebrating - the upcoming record performance of Starmer, when he registers more Labour votes in England than Corbyn achieved in 2017.

    Why nothing will change

    What POLICY are you looking forward to as a positive change under SKS
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    The comments from many in the Scottish Government on the matter appear somewhat different. I shall defer to the excellent Mrs @Cyclefree and yesterday’s header on the subject.

    It’s also worth noting that this discussion has crossed the Pond - here’s an epic five-hour podcast with Joe Rogan and four comedian friends last week, that opened with discussions about this new law. https://youtube.com/watch?v=cV71YMAwIXY
    It’s fair to say that not many American comics will turn up in Edinburgh this year, if they feel that their speech might be policed by the actual Scottish police. That’s a direct hit to the Scottish economy, for as long as it takes for the actual implications of this law to become known by case law and appellate courts.
    Fringe has been saturated for years, so a few less tripe merchants will be fine with everyone, and with no discernible impact on jobs.

    Indeed a smaller Fringe would be desirable given the recent changes in the lkaw to ensure that housing is reclaimed for locals despite the tantrums of precisely those Fringe types who demanded that local people continue to be evicted for August to suit their convenience.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068

    With respect to the Great Trans Debate, a PBer (forget who) opined recently, that unlike in UK, in US the trans issue was "subsumed" (think that was the term) into/by the debate over abortion in wake of repeal of Roe v Wade.

    Which is NOT really correct, at least IMHO.

    For example, the recent MAGA-manufactured flap over coincidence of Easter (a notoriously "movable feast") being same day as Transgender Visibility Day.

    Which as far as I can tell, had ZERO to do with the pro-life versus pro-choice controversy.

    Personally think that GOPer politicos and their mouthpieces are banging the anti-trans drum so loudly, is because of its appeal to voters BEYOND the core pro-life constituency.

    That is, to folks who are either pro-choice or ambivalent on abortion, BUT who (for whatever reason) are opposed to and/or repulsed by gender-bending.

    Note that there was similar dynamic a generation ago, when GOP campaigned with vigor against gays and lesbians. For example, with TV campaign ads featuring the alleged debauchery of San Francisco Gay Pride parades.

    So GOP nutbags still making a meal of the homophobia, but beyond this, the MAGA-GOP has switched to anti-trans, as having broader (ahem) appeal.

    'Twas me, oh SSI2. My argument was based on the belief that most Republicans who are anti-trans are also anti-abortion, and vice versa

    Compare and contrast the two maps here: The overlay, whilst not exact (Montana!), is apparent. Although I am sympathetic to your add-on theory: buy one, get one free so to speak.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    The comments from many in the Scottish Government on the matter appear somewhat different. I shall defer to the excellent Mrs @Cyclefree and yesterday’s header on the subject.

    It’s also worth noting that this discussion has crossed the Pond - here’s an epic five-hour podcast with Joe Rogan and four comedian friends last week, that opened with discussions about this new law. https://youtube.com/watch?v=cV71YMAwIXY
    It’s fair to say that not many American comics will turn up in Edinburgh this year, if they feel that their speech might be policed by the actual Scottish police. That’s a direct hit to the Scottish economy, for as long as it takes for the actual implications of this law to become known by case law and appellate courts.
    I betcha that it will be full to busting of comedians, American and otherwise, whose entire act will consist of skits cumulating in the phrase "....and try to arrest me for that, Scottish Government, yeah!", whilst being in absolutely no danger of arrest.

    Safe danger. The best kind of danger. If you can afford it.
    Yes you can well imagine a few US headliners turning up to make a point, and the police ignoring them in the knowledge that they have serious money for lawyers if required. They’re not going to actually arrest a Joe Rogan or Dave Chappelle.

    The hundreds of unknown (and poor) comics who play to small audiences at the Fringe, on the other hand… would be well advised to join the Free Speech Union.
    These would be even better advised to stay at home. It's been an open secret for years that the Fringe is declining in terms of rewards - both money and career promotion.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871
    HYUFD said:

    Yes we have all out elections too. That includes council seats in new wards in areas that were up in bad years locally for the Tories, ie 2023 and 2022 as well as the better year of 2021.

    That combined with fewer seats being up than last year and a reasonable performance by Susan Hall given current polls mean the local elections, although bad, won't be bad enough for Sunak to be removed by Tory MPs and he will survive until the general election as leader and PM

    I see the Conservatives are desperately trying to downplay expectations on the May elections.

    We can do better than that - what's a "reasonable performance" by Susan Hall, the 35% achieved by Shaun Bailey, 30%?, 25%?

    As for the local and PCC contests, we can take a view as well. As for the former, how about losing Dudley to Labour and Dorset to the LDs? What about the eight Conservative held District Councils with all up elections?

    They would be Basildon, Epping Forest, Fareham, Gloucester, Harlow, Havant, Nuneaton & Bedworth and Redditch? Would losing control of half of those represent a bad night? What about losing control of all of them?

    The Conservatives currently have 30 of the 39 PCCs in England and Wales having won the 2021 elections by 14.5 points. What would be a bad night in your view - losing ten, losing twenty?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656

    Sandpit said:

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Jared O’Mara still takes some beating as the worst MP of the 21st century.
    A Corbynite no less.

    Jeremy Corbyn fans please explain.
    Disabled bloke living next door to TSE

    Not even that is an excuse.
  • Foxy said:

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Victoria Atkins at Health and Social care always looks very out her depth. Like a rabbit in the headlights every time.

    But perhaps the best example is Sunak himself.
    How anyone thought Sunak wasn't useless is beyond me. If you all just read my posts I've been saying it since 2020!
  • rcs1000 said:

    @bigjohnowls

    I look forward you posting - and celebrating - the upcoming record performance of Starmer, when he registers more Labour votes in England than Corbyn achieved in 2017.

    Why nothing will change

    What POLICY are you looking forward to as a positive change under SKS
    Well planning reform, which would get a lot of infrastructure built including lots of new telecoms masts!
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,728
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    The comments from many in the Scottish Government on the matter appear somewhat different. I shall defer to the excellent Mrs @Cyclefree and yesterday’s header on the subject.

    It’s also worth noting that this discussion has crossed the Pond - here’s an epic five-hour podcast with Joe Rogan and four comedian friends last week, that opened with discussions about this new law. https://youtube.com/watch?v=cV71YMAwIXY
    It’s fair to say that not many American comics will turn up in Edinburgh this year, if they feel that their speech might be policed by the actual Scottish police. That’s a direct hit to the Scottish economy, for as long as it takes for the actual implications of this law to become known by case law and appellate courts.
    I betcha that it will be full to busting of comedians, American and otherwise, whose entire act will consist of skits cumulating in the phrase "....and try to arrest me for that, Scottish Government, yeah!", whilst being in absolutely no danger of arrest.

    Safe danger. The best kind of danger. If you can afford it.
    I suspect the biggest hit to The Fringe is liable to be the astronomical cost of running a show there now, for comparatively little gain given the quickest route to getting noticed may well be social media.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    ydoethur said:

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    Nicky Morgan.
    Jared O’Mara
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,700
    Evening all,

    Having Sunak out and about all the time meeting real people and taking questions on local radio is working out well I see.

  • Evening all,

    Having Sunak out and about all the time meeting real people and taking questions on local radio is working out well I see.

    He's just a bit, weird.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    rcs1000 said:

    Has there ever been an MP more out of their depth than Gillian Keegan?

    Perhaps Helen Whately?

    My nominee is I.T. Trebitsch-Lincoln.
    My son told me his story: it's absolutely insane.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Trebitsch-Lincoln
    It would make a good film!
  • Somebody once said Rishi Sunak sounds like Tony Blair. Wrong.

    He's like Ed Miliband.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    viewcode said:

    With respect to the Great Trans Debate, a PBer (forget who) opined recently, that unlike in UK, in US the trans issue was "subsumed" (think that was the term) into/by the debate over abortion in wake of repeal of Roe v Wade.

    Which is NOT really correct, at least IMHO.

    For example, the recent MAGA-manufactured flap over coincidence of Easter (a notoriously "movable feast") being same day as Transgender Visibility Day.

    Which as far as I can tell, had ZERO to do with the pro-life versus pro-choice controversy.

    Personally think that GOPer politicos and their mouthpieces are banging the anti-trans drum so loudly, is because of its appeal to voters BEYOND the core pro-life constituency.

    That is, to folks who are either pro-choice or ambivalent on abortion, BUT who (for whatever reason) are opposed to and/or repulsed by gender-bending.

    Note that there was similar dynamic a generation ago, when GOP campaigned with vigor against gays and lesbians. For example, with TV campaign ads featuring the alleged debauchery of San Francisco Gay Pride parades.

    So GOP nutbags still making a meal of the homophobia, but beyond this, the MAGA-GOP has switched to anti-trans, as having broader (ahem) appeal.

    'Twas me, oh SSI2. My argument was based on the belief that most Republicans who are anti-trans are also anti-abortion, and vice versa

    Compare and contrast the two maps here: The overlay, whilst not exact (Montana!), is apparent. Although I am sympathetic to your add-on theory: buy one, get one free so to speak.
    ...and if you then overlay the immigration governor map... ...there's a knot of states whose legislators are anti-trans, anti-abortion and anti-immigration, and wouldn't wee on Biden if he was afire. Whether the US electorate are pro- or anti- these things will be the key to POTUS2024
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,311

    Have we done this?

    Humza Yousaf has said it is "increasingly difficult" to shield his children from racism after he was targeted with Islamophobic graffiti near his Dundee home.

    Racist slurs relating to the Scottish first minister's Pakistani heritage were sprayed on the walls and fences of homes in a street in Broughty Ferry, on Monday.

    It is near to where the first minister lives with his wife and two children.

    The graffiti, which has since been removed, happened on the day the Scottish government's controversial new hate crime laws came into force.


    https://news.sky.com/story/first-minister-humza-yousaf-condemns-racist-graffiti-aimed-at-him-near-dundee-home-13106494

    The clown is always on about racism , he practices it himself , re the nursery where he had to drop the charges as it was just rubbish , and constantly saying there are too many white people in Scotland, and on and on . The man is a moron and invites trouble at every cut and turn. A real roaster "family man " as well allegedly. He really needs to be ousted ASAP.
    Not that that at all justifies the brain dead morons who did the racist graffiti, though state of the country and the education system etc is all under his control.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    The comments from many in the Scottish Government on the matter appear somewhat different. I shall defer to the excellent Mrs @Cyclefree and yesterday’s header on the subject.

    It’s also worth noting that this discussion has crossed the Pond - here’s an epic five-hour podcast with Joe Rogan and four comedian friends last week, that opened with discussions about this new law. https://youtube.com/watch?v=cV71YMAwIXY
    It’s fair to say that not many American comics will turn up in Edinburgh this year, if they feel that their speech might be policed by the actual Scottish police. That’s a direct hit to the Scottish economy, for as long as it takes for the actual implications of this law to become known by case law and appellate courts.
    I betcha that it will be full to busting of comedians, American and otherwise, whose entire act will consist of skits cumulating in the phrase "....and try to arrest me for that, Scottish Government, yeah!", whilst being in absolutely no danger of arrest.

    Safe danger. The best kind of danger. If you can afford it.
    Sounds absolutely hilarious...
  • Israel has lost even more credibility today. It's time for the US to say some kind words to get them to stop.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,656

    rcs1000 said:

    @bigjohnowls

    I look forward you posting - and celebrating - the upcoming record performance of Starmer, when he registers more Labour votes in England than Corbyn achieved in 2017.

    Why nothing will change

    What POLICY are you looking forward to as a positive change under SKS
    Well planning reform, which would get a lot of infrastructure built including lots of new telecoms masts!
    Section 6 of the attached far better

    https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,214

    Evening all,

    Having Sunak out and about all the time meeting real people and taking questions on local radio is working out well I see.

    Nothing that five years of hostility couldn't have beaten out of him.
    The old system- go and fight someone hopeless first, have some setbacks on the way up- had a lot to commend it.

    (See Starmer as well. He got a fair bit wrong on the early years, mostly due to inexperience.)
  • rcs1000 said:

    @bigjohnowls

    I look forward you posting - and celebrating - the upcoming record performance of Starmer, when he registers more Labour votes in England than Corbyn achieved in 2017.

    Why nothing will change

    What POLICY are you looking forward to as a positive change under SKS
    Well planning reform, which would get a lot of infrastructure built including lots of new telecoms masts!
    Section 6 of the attached far better

    https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf
    BJO, Corbyn lost. Twice. We need to move on. Labour is about to win a landslide, be happy!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,061

    So they're going to fine homeless people.

    Do homeless people have a lot of money to pay fines?

    Too much even for the assorted dreck on their backbenches.

    Ministers face Tory revolt over plans to criminalise rough sleeping
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/01/ministers-face-tory-revolt-over-plans-to-criminalise-rough-sleeping
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    malcolmg said:

    Have we done this?

    Humza Yousaf has said it is "increasingly difficult" to shield his children from racism after he was targeted with Islamophobic graffiti near his Dundee home.

    Racist slurs relating to the Scottish first minister's Pakistani heritage were sprayed on the walls and fences of homes in a street in Broughty Ferry, on Monday.

    It is near to where the first minister lives with his wife and two children.

    The graffiti, which has since been removed, happened on the day the Scottish government's controversial new hate crime laws came into force.


    https://news.sky.com/story/first-minister-humza-yousaf-condemns-racist-graffiti-aimed-at-him-near-dundee-home-13106494

    The clown is always on about racism , he practices it himself , re the nursery where he had to drop the charges as it was just rubbish , and constantly saying there are too many white people in Scotland, and on and on . The man is a moron and invites trouble at every cut and turn. A real roaster "family man " as well allegedly. He really needs to be ousted ASAP.
    Not that that at all justifies the brain dead morons who did the racist graffiti, though state of the country and the education system etc is all under his control.
    Wouldn’t the law, prior to this hate crime legislation, dealt with that graffiti anyway ? It’s not,like it’s a new law brought in to deal with it. Or am I mistaken ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    edited April 2

    Israel has lost even more credibility today. It's time for the US to say some kind words to get them to stop.

    I’m sure our resident apologist for all things Israeli regime will be around to justify Israels actions imminently.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    MJW said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    The comments from many in the Scottish Government on the matter appear somewhat different. I shall defer to the excellent Mrs @Cyclefree and yesterday’s header on the subject.

    It’s also worth noting that this discussion has crossed the Pond - here’s an epic five-hour podcast with Joe Rogan and four comedian friends last week, that opened with discussions about this new law. https://youtube.com/watch?v=cV71YMAwIXY
    It’s fair to say that not many American comics will turn up in Edinburgh this year, if they feel that their speech might be policed by the actual Scottish police. That’s a direct hit to the Scottish economy, for as long as it takes for the actual implications of this law to become known by case law and appellate courts.
    I betcha that it will be full to busting of comedians, American and otherwise, whose entire act will consist of skits cumulating in the phrase "....and try to arrest me for that, Scottish Government, yeah!", whilst being in absolutely no danger of arrest.

    Safe danger. The best kind of danger. If you can afford it.
    I suspect the biggest hit to The Fringe is liable to be the astronomical cost of running a show there now, for comparatively little gain given the quickest route to getting noticed may well be social media.
    Already is. Plus a month's personal accommodation in Edinburgh now that evictions of locals, and Airbnb, are under much more control by the council and performers can't just walk into a nice flat near the centre.



  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    That's my take fwiw.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129

    rcs1000 said:

    @bigjohnowls

    I look forward you posting - and celebrating - the upcoming record performance of Starmer, when he registers more Labour votes in England than Corbyn achieved in 2017.

    Why nothing will change

    What POLICY are you looking forward to as a positive change under SKS
    Why would I want policies? All governments do is fuck things up. I am looking for masterly inaction.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,747
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Have we done this?

    Humza Yousaf has said it is "increasingly difficult" to shield his children from racism after he was targeted with Islamophobic graffiti near his Dundee home.

    Racist slurs relating to the Scottish first minister's Pakistani heritage were sprayed on the walls and fences of homes in a street in Broughty Ferry, on Monday.

    It is near to where the first minister lives with his wife and two children.

    The graffiti, which has since been removed, happened on the day the Scottish government's controversial new hate crime laws came into force.


    https://news.sky.com/story/first-minister-humza-yousaf-condemns-racist-graffiti-aimed-at-him-near-dundee-home-13106494

    The clown is always on about racism , he practices it himself , re the nursery where he had to drop the charges as it was just rubbish , and constantly saying there are too many white people in Scotland, and on and on . The man is a moron and invites trouble at every cut and turn. A real roaster "family man " as well allegedly. He really needs to be ousted ASAP.
    Not that that at all justifies the brain dead morons who did the racist graffiti, though state of the country and the education system etc is all under his control.
    Wouldn’t the law, prior to this hate crime legislation, dealt with that graffiti anyway ? It’s not,like it’s a new law brought in to deal with it. Or am I mistaken ?
    You're not mistaken. And malky is right - and how many times can you say that?
  • Taz said:

    Israel has lost even more credibility today. It's time for the US to say some kind words to get them to stop.

    I’m sure our resident apologist for all things Israeli regime will be around to justify Israels actions imminently.
    Aww, we're friends today <3
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    MJW said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @SkyNews

    BREAKING: JK Rowling's comments about new hate crime laws "are not assessed to be criminal", police have said, as they confirmed no further action would be taken

    Wasn't this already known up front? Specifically, that the exposition of gender critical thought was not within the remit of the thing.
    Yes. There was never any possibility of her comments being deemed to be potentially criminal.
    They would never fight her in court, they will save it for their secret register where the plebs don't even know they have been marked down for some fkucwitted moron's opinion. Plod will take easy option. It is all virtue signalling by the clowns running the SNP and ruining the country, a bigger bunch of rubbish you would struggle to find.
    Jo Rowling knows they’ll never go after her, as she has basically unlimited financial resources and a worldwide media profile.

    What I think she’s doing, is to get police and prosecutors to quickly define where they are drawing the line, such that others can use the same defences in future. She’ll probably speak out, and possibly even dip into her pocket for a few lawyers, if she sees that initial standard being eroded over time.
    Either that of the hype over the law was substantially bunkum all along, and never intended to inhibit opinions like hers.
    The comments from many in the Scottish Government on the matter appear somewhat different. I shall defer to the excellent Mrs @Cyclefree and yesterday’s header on the subject.

    It’s also worth noting that this discussion has crossed the Pond - here’s an epic five-hour podcast with Joe Rogan and four comedian friends last week, that opened with discussions about this new law. https://youtube.com/watch?v=cV71YMAwIXY
    It’s fair to say that not many American comics will turn up in Edinburgh this year, if they feel that their speech might be policed by the actual Scottish police. That’s a direct hit to the Scottish economy, for as long as it takes for the actual implications of this law to become known by case law and appellate courts.
    I betcha that it will be full to busting of comedians, American and otherwise, whose entire act will consist of skits cumulating in the phrase "....and try to arrest me for that, Scottish Government, yeah!", whilst being in absolutely no danger of arrest.

    Safe danger. The best kind of danger. If you can afford it.
    I suspect the biggest hit to The Fringe is liable to be the astronomical cost of running a show there now, for comparatively little gain given the quickest route to getting noticed may well be social media.
    In any case, all this is a fine example of the fallacy that Scotland only counts during August, and only insofar as it affects performers and attendees at the Edinburgh International Arts Festival, or rather how they think it does, despite their complete lack of knowledge of the place. The Graun is particularly prone to this.
  • Taz said:

    Israel has lost even more credibility today. It's time for the US to say some kind words to get them to stop.

    I’m sure our resident apologist for all things Israeli regime will be around to justify Israels actions imminently.
    Bart will just say it's part of a war.

    Let's be honest, Israel and the IDF will kill anyone who gets in their way. There have been so many "accidents" now, nobody can convince me they're even trying to be careful.

    So not only are they radicalising a whole new generation of nutjobs, they're killing totally innocent people there to help.

    But it's a war, so who cares?
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