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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,066
    Last word on Brexit from the fish pie guy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/27/ready-meal-king-charlie-bigham-i-havent-seen-a-single-benefit-from-brexit-yet
    ..On Brexit, he says leaving the EU has been “very harmful to British business”, adding: “I haven’t seen a single benefit from it yet.”

    He believes much of the impact has been hidden by the effects of Covid, and after that the inflation linked to the war in Ukraine, but says it has created more friction for importing goods, and made it harder to recruit...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,951
    Get your hauberks oiled up lads.


  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    Judges in the Netherlands having to remain anonymous for their own safety.

    "Masked and armed police surrounded the courthouse, known as the Bunker, in an Amsterdam suburb on Tuesday as the judges, who were not named and whose faces were hidden from view, read out the sentences. Drones and a police helicopter circled overhead."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/27/cocaine-cartel-leader-ridouan-taghi-life-sentence-dutch-trial
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    Here's an example for all of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain

    Swain has said she faced far more discrimination at Princeton because of her religous beliefs than because of her race.

    (Incidentally, she was one of the scholars Claudine Gay "borrowed" from.)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603

    ...

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Interesting goings-on at the PO scandal evidence session for the business committee.

    Former PO chair Staunton has made "bombshell revelations about a boardroom that is in disarray, a chief executive [Nick Read] that is under investigation and a chief executive who has sought to resign, even though he told us on oath that he has not"
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-68405566

    Perhaps the biggest claim is that "it's Nick Read [the PO chief exec] who is subject to misconduct inquiry, not him" - this directly contradicts what Badenoch's been saying.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-sadiq-khan-conservatives-islamophobia-post-office-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63#block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63

    And now, Kevin Hollinrake, the postal services minister appears to have all but confirmed this, saying "that it was “entirely inappropriate” for Henry Staunton to talk to the Commons business committee about Nick Read, the chief executive, being investigated over a misconduct complaint."
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-sadiq-khan-conservatives-islamophobia-post-office-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63#block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63

    Seems like it's about to become an even huger mess...

    The session was an embarrassment and whilst he accuses Nick Read of misconduct he accepts he is also

    The postmasters must be gobsmacked
    Agreed - Staunton didn't seem a particularly credible witness to me (to say the least!). I thought Liam Byrne's eyes were going to pop out at one point...

    That said, if Hollinrake really is saying that his claims were "inappropriate" rather than wrong or misleading, then it leaves Kemi looking rather exposed. The only source I've seen so far is a tweet quoted by the Guardian live blog, so let's see how it develops...
    I listened to the whole testimony and the looks of incredulity by the mps and those behind him said it all

    He was all over the place and he seemed to 'protest too much '

    To be honest Badenoch took the correct decision in sacking him, certainly on the way he presented himself today, but frankly the whole lot of them should be sacked and the matter taken completely out of the Post Office's hands
    Shame Kemi didn't sack herself too. Utterly out of her depth.
    Toryphobia.
  • ...

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Interesting goings-on at the PO scandal evidence session for the business committee.

    Former PO chair Staunton has made "bombshell revelations about a boardroom that is in disarray, a chief executive [Nick Read] that is under investigation and a chief executive who has sought to resign, even though he told us on oath that he has not"
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-68405566

    Perhaps the biggest claim is that "it's Nick Read [the PO chief exec] who is subject to misconduct inquiry, not him" - this directly contradicts what Badenoch's been saying.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-sadiq-khan-conservatives-islamophobia-post-office-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63#block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63

    And now, Kevin Hollinrake, the postal services minister appears to have all but confirmed this, saying "that it was “entirely inappropriate” for Henry Staunton to talk to the Commons business committee about Nick Read, the chief executive, being investigated over a misconduct complaint."
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-sadiq-khan-conservatives-islamophobia-post-office-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63#block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63

    Seems like it's about to become an even huger mess...

    The session was an embarrassment and whilst he accuses Nick Read of misconduct he accepts he is also

    The postmasters must be gobsmacked
    Agreed - Staunton didn't seem a particularly credible witness to me (to say the least!). I thought Liam Byrne's eyes were going to pop out at one point...

    That said, if Hollinrake really is saying that his claims were "inappropriate" rather than wrong or misleading, then it leaves Kemi looking rather exposed. The only source I've seen so far is a tweet quoted by the Guardian live blog, so let's see how it develops...
    I listened to the whole testimony and the looks of incredulity by the mps and those behind him said it all

    He was all over the place and he seemed to 'protest too much '

    To be honest Badenoch took the correct decision in sacking him, certainly on the way he presented himself today, but frankly the whole lot of them should be sacked and the matter taken completely out of the Post Office's hands
    Shame Kemi didn't sack herself too. Utterly out of her depth.
    Staunton shouldn't be in charge of a 'whelk stall '

    He was embarrassing beyond belief
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    edited February 27
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    61 - 36 is pretty much the Trump - Haley split in the primaries I think ?

    Yes, but if Republicans remain split like that he loses bigly.
    When push and shove come they'll vote for him in November.
    A small slice of them won't. Neither (in progressively larger slices) will GOP leaning floaters, floating floaters, and DEM leaning floaters. Donald Trump is not winning in November, bar something too bad and too late happening with Joe.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    edited February 27
    rcs1000 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Hello @Leon @rcs1000 and the PB gang. I want to get up to speed on AI, where would you recommend I start. I have a moderately strong, but clearly outdated, tech literacy. I can deal with pop science books to more instructive content for how it actually works.

    How technical/mathematical are you? Which bits are you most interested in?

    I would probably start with Stephen Wolfram's piece on how LLMs work: https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/what-is-chatgpt-doing-and-why-does-it-work/
    Thanks @rcs1000 ! Appreciate it. Pretty technical/mathematical, but rusty. Gen. relativity (tensors, geodesics and all that) was peak of my maths some time ago. Hack python from time to time, last production code was a while back.

    Feel the need now to understand how it works, short of writing actual code, but - say - to the level of a well informed product person (contradiction in terms).

    Curious from simple applications of Vector databases/embeddings to clever genAI things.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    Here's a local example for you: There is a Google campus a few blocks away from me. A little further away, but still within easy walking distance, is Northwest University.
    https://www.northwestu.edu/

    Ask Google if they have ever sent a recruiter there. Or one to Notre Dame. Or one to Brigham Young. Or one to Liberty University. And so on.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417
    edited February 27
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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,066

    Here's an example for all of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain

    Swain has said she faced far more discrimination at Princeton because of her religous beliefs than because of her race.

    (Incidentally, she was one of the scholars Claudine Gay "borrowed" from.)

    An example of what ?

    She was a tenured professor ar Princeton; what does that demonstrate with regard to the religious discrimination you say exists in tech ?

    One can give arguably more relevant counter examples, which suggest that companies are aware of their legal responsibilities ... to an extent which sometimes leads them to discriminate in the other direction.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
    America’s most prominent caste equity activist, Thenmozhi Soundararajan, was slated to give a talk at Google in April, for Dalit History Month. She was ready, she said, to explain to one of the world’s largest tech companies that caste oppression is a problem — and that it probably exists under its roof, too.

    She was armed with years worth of stats gathered through her civil rights organization, Equality Labs, which show that two-thirds of Dalits, those who have been historically oppressed under India’s caste system, have faced discrimination in their U.S. workplace.

    But as news spread of her impending appearance, not everyone at Google was happy. A handful of Hindu employees said that they felt “targeted” on the basis of religion, a company statement and several anonymous interviews confirmed. They appealed to Google leadership asking that the speech be canceled, and so it was.

    Soundararajan was informed her talk would not go forward, The Washington Post first reported.

    “It was very troubling that Google News management could not discern disinformation and bigotry,” Soundararajan told NBC Asian America. “We are seeing people who have multiple protected classes weaponize language of equity to avoid confronting the systems that have given them privilege.” ..
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    ...

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Interesting goings-on at the PO scandal evidence session for the business committee.

    Former PO chair Staunton has made "bombshell revelations about a boardroom that is in disarray, a chief executive [Nick Read] that is under investigation and a chief executive who has sought to resign, even though he told us on oath that he has not"
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-68405566

    Perhaps the biggest claim is that "it's Nick Read [the PO chief exec] who is subject to misconduct inquiry, not him" - this directly contradicts what Badenoch's been saying.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-sadiq-khan-conservatives-islamophobia-post-office-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63#block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63

    And now, Kevin Hollinrake, the postal services minister appears to have all but confirmed this, saying "that it was “entirely inappropriate” for Henry Staunton to talk to the Commons business committee about Nick Read, the chief executive, being investigated over a misconduct complaint."
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-sadiq-khan-conservatives-islamophobia-post-office-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63#block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63

    Seems like it's about to become an even huger mess...

    The session was an embarrassment and whilst he accuses Nick Read of misconduct he accepts he is also

    The postmasters must be gobsmacked
    Agreed - Staunton didn't seem a particularly credible witness to me (to say the least!). I thought Liam Byrne's eyes were going to pop out at one point...

    That said, if Hollinrake really is saying that his claims were "inappropriate" rather than wrong or misleading, then it leaves Kemi looking rather exposed. The only source I've seen so far is a tweet quoted by the Guardian live blog, so let's see how it develops...
    I listened to the whole testimony and the looks of incredulity by the mps and those behind him said it all

    He was all over the place and he seemed to 'protest too much '

    To be honest Badenoch took the correct decision in sacking him, certainly on the way he presented himself today, but frankly the whole lot of them should be sacked and the matter taken completely out of the Post Office's hands
    Shame Kemi didn't sack herself too. Utterly out of her depth.
    Staunton shouldn't be in charge of a 'whelk stall '

    He was embarrassing beyond belief
    Doesn’t say much for his career in the City. Which school did he go to?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,574
    edited February 27
    Nigelb said:

    Last word on Brexit from the fish pie guy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/27/ready-meal-king-charlie-bigham-i-havent-seen-a-single-benefit-from-brexit-yet
    ..On Brexit, he says leaving the EU has been “very harmful to British business”, adding: “I haven’t seen a single benefit from it yet.”

    He believes much of the impact has been hidden by the effects of Covid, and after that the inflation linked to the war in Ukraine, but says it has created more friction for importing goods, and made it harder to recruit...

    Seen a benefit? The staff getting higher wages because he finds it "harder to recruit" probably have. They might even be able to afford his £9.95 ready meal once in a while.
  • ...

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Interesting goings-on at the PO scandal evidence session for the business committee.

    Former PO chair Staunton has made "bombshell revelations about a boardroom that is in disarray, a chief executive [Nick Read] that is under investigation and a chief executive who has sought to resign, even though he told us on oath that he has not"
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-68405566

    Perhaps the biggest claim is that "it's Nick Read [the PO chief exec] who is subject to misconduct inquiry, not him" - this directly contradicts what Badenoch's been saying.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-sadiq-khan-conservatives-islamophobia-post-office-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63#block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63

    And now, Kevin Hollinrake, the postal services minister appears to have all but confirmed this, saying "that it was “entirely inappropriate” for Henry Staunton to talk to the Commons business committee about Nick Read, the chief executive, being investigated over a misconduct complaint."
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-sadiq-khan-conservatives-islamophobia-post-office-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63#block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63

    Seems like it's about to become an even huger mess...

    The session was an embarrassment and whilst he accuses Nick Read of misconduct he accepts he is also

    The postmasters must be gobsmacked
    Agreed - Staunton didn't seem a particularly credible witness to me (to say the least!). I thought Liam Byrne's eyes were going to pop out at one point...

    That said, if Hollinrake really is saying that his claims were "inappropriate" rather than wrong or misleading, then it leaves Kemi looking rather exposed. The only source I've seen so far is a tweet quoted by the Guardian live blog, so let's see how it develops...
    I listened to the whole testimony and the looks of incredulity by the mps and those behind him said it all

    He was all over the place and he seemed to 'protest too much '

    To be honest Badenoch took the correct decision in sacking him, certainly on the way he presented himself today, but frankly the whole lot of them should be sacked and the matter taken completely out of the Post Office's hands
    Shame Kemi didn't sack herself too. Utterly out of her depth.
    Staunton shouldn't be in charge of a 'whelk stall '

    He was embarrassing beyond belief
    Doesn’t say much for his career in the City. Which school did he go to?
    I am sure his previous employers were hiding behind their office desks
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    Nigelb said:

    Here's an example for all of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain

    Swain has said she faced far more discrimination at Princeton because of her religous beliefs than because of her race.

    (Incidentally, she was one of the scholars Claudine Gay "borrowed" from.)

    An example of what ?

    She was a tenured professor ar Princeton; what does that demonstrate with regard to the religious discrimination you say exists in tech ?

    One can give arguably more relevant counter examples, which suggest that companies are aware of their legal responsibilities ... to an extent which sometimes leads them to discriminate in the other direction.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
    America’s most prominent caste equity activist, Thenmozhi Soundararajan, was slated to give a talk at Google in April, for Dalit History Month. She was ready, she said, to explain to one of the world’s largest tech companies that caste oppression is a problem — and that it probably exists under its roof, too.

    She was armed with years worth of stats gathered through her civil rights organization, Equality Labs, which show that two-thirds of Dalits, those who have been historically oppressed under India’s caste system, have faced discrimination in their U.S. workplace.

    But as news spread of her impending appearance, not everyone at Google was happy. A handful of Hindu employees said that they felt “targeted” on the basis of religion, a company statement and several anonymous interviews confirmed. They appealed to Google leadership asking that the speech be canceled, and so it was.

    Soundararajan was informed her talk would not go forward, The Washington Post first reported.

    “It was very troubling that Google News management could not discern disinformation and bigotry,” Soundararajan told NBC Asian America. “We are seeing people who have multiple protected classes weaponize language of equity to avoid confronting the systems that have given them privilege.” ..
    Just let the whole DEI industry die, and let’s see a return to the ideals of equality of opportunity and a colour-blind society.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,603
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Here's an example for all of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain

    Swain has said she faced far more discrimination at Princeton because of her religous beliefs than because of her race.

    (Incidentally, she was one of the scholars Claudine Gay "borrowed" from.)

    An example of what ?

    She was a tenured professor ar Princeton; what does that demonstrate with regard to the religious discrimination you say exists in tech ?

    One can give arguably more relevant counter examples, which suggest that companies are aware of their legal responsibilities ... to an extent which sometimes leads them to discriminate in the other direction.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
    America’s most prominent caste equity activist, Thenmozhi Soundararajan, was slated to give a talk at Google in April, for Dalit History Month. She was ready, she said, to explain to one of the world’s largest tech companies that caste oppression is a problem — and that it probably exists under its roof, too.

    She was armed with years worth of stats gathered through her civil rights organization, Equality Labs, which show that two-thirds of Dalits, those who have been historically oppressed under India’s caste system, have faced discrimination in their U.S. workplace.

    But as news spread of her impending appearance, not everyone at Google was happy. A handful of Hindu employees said that they felt “targeted” on the basis of religion, a company statement and several anonymous interviews confirmed. They appealed to Google leadership asking that the speech be canceled, and so it was.

    Soundararajan was informed her talk would not go forward, The Washington Post first reported.

    “It was very troubling that Google News management could not discern disinformation and bigotry,” Soundararajan told NBC Asian America. “We are seeing people who have multiple protected classes weaponize language of equity to avoid confronting the systems that have given them privilege.” ..
    Just let the whole DEI industry die, and let’s see a return to the ideals of equality of opportunity and a colour-blind society.
    The problem is that it exists because of legislation, so the laws need to be changed first.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    30p spoke to ReFuk on Saturday
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Get your hauberks oiled up lads.


    Bit vexillologically challenged, mind.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    Um, @rcs1000, @Sandpit, @Jim_Miller, discrimination law in England precludes the asking of certain questions in interviews: the classic example is "what would you do if you became pregnant", implying discrimination against women. I appreciate hiring in US/unnamed Arabic state may be different.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Here's an example for all of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain

    Swain has said she faced far more discrimination at Princeton because of her religous beliefs than because of her race.

    (Incidentally, she was one of the scholars Claudine Gay "borrowed" from.)

    An example of what ?

    She was a tenured professor ar Princeton; what does that demonstrate with regard to the religious discrimination you say exists in tech ?

    One can give arguably more relevant counter examples, which suggest that companies are aware of their legal responsibilities ... to an extent which sometimes leads them to discriminate in the other direction.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
    America’s most prominent caste equity activist, Thenmozhi Soundararajan, was slated to give a talk at Google in April, for Dalit History Month. She was ready, she said, to explain to one of the world’s largest tech companies that caste oppression is a problem — and that it probably exists under its roof, too.

    She was armed with years worth of stats gathered through her civil rights organization, Equality Labs, which show that two-thirds of Dalits, those who have been historically oppressed under India’s caste system, have faced discrimination in their U.S. workplace.

    But as news spread of her impending appearance, not everyone at Google was happy. A handful of Hindu employees said that they felt “targeted” on the basis of religion, a company statement and several anonymous interviews confirmed. They appealed to Google leadership asking that the speech be canceled, and so it was.

    Soundararajan was informed her talk would not go forward, The Washington Post first reported.

    “It was very troubling that Google News management could not discern disinformation and bigotry,” Soundararajan told NBC Asian America. “We are seeing people who have multiple protected classes weaponize language of equity to avoid confronting the systems that have given them privilege.” ..
    Just let the whole DEI industry die, and let’s see a return to the ideals of equality of opportunity and a colour-blind society.
    The problem is that it exists because of legislation, so the laws need to be changed first.
    To some extent yes, and the creeping codified constitution of the last couple of decades - but a fair amount of it is arse-covering corporates more interested in a Twitter mob than actually hiring a diverse workforce.

    I refer to Dan Hannan’s notion of “BBC Diversity”, meaning a group of people who look completely different but think exactly the same.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,622
    edited February 27
    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,
    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Premier Inn at the very least, TBH
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,174
    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457

    Here's a local example for you: There is a Google campus a few blocks away from me. A little further away, but still within easy walking distance, is Northwest University.
    https://www.northwestu.edu/

    Ask Google if they have ever sent a recruiter there. Or one to Notre Dame. Or one to Brigham Young. Or one to Liberty University. And so on.

    Erm.

    A very quick search reveals many pages of results, filled with people discussing the swag available at Google recruitment events at Northwestern, people describing how they landed a job at Google at the end of undergraduate and masters programmes at Northwestern, and even what looks like the LinkedIn profile of someone on Google's dedicated Northwestern recruitment team.

    And here's a link to the Google-sponsored Google Developer Student Club at Northwestern: https://gdsc.community.dev/northwestern-university/
  • Here's a local example for you: There is a Google campus a few blocks away from me. A little further away, but still within easy walking distance, is Northwest University.
    https://www.northwestu.edu/

    Ask Google if they have ever sent a recruiter there. Or one to Notre Dame. Or one to Brigham Young. Or one to Liberty University. And so on.

    Appears that Northwest University does NOT agree with you . . . at least for purposes of student recruitment:

    "Northwest University’s Career Development Team is well-connected and dedicated to helping you start your career off right. . . . NU students have interned for some of the area’s top companies, including Amazon, Microsoft, and Costco, all of which are just a short drive from campus."

    "Degrees with Your Future in Mind
    Out of all the options you have for college, we’d like to show you why Northwest University is a top-ranked Christian university dedicated to helping you unleash your potential.

    With our 80+ stand out degrees from ministry to business to nursing to computer science, we have programs designed for you. Whichever major you choose, you'll have opportunities to connect with Seattle area companies like GOOGLE, Microsoft, and Amazon."

    https://www.northwestu.edu/
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    edited February 27
    viewcode said:

    Um, @rcs1000, @Sandpit, @Jim_Miller, discrimination law in England precludes the asking of certain questions in interviews: the classic example is "what would you do if you became pregnant", implying discrimination against women. I appreciate hiring in US/unnamed Arabic state may be different.

    A common interview question in the service of class discrimination - with a shrewd reinforcement of patriarchy thrown in - used to be what does your father do for a living?

    I hope that one is also off-limits these days.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457
    AlsoLei said:

    Here's a local example for you: There is a Google campus a few blocks away from me. A little further away, but still within easy walking distance, is Northwest University.
    https://www.northwestu.edu/

    Ask Google if they have ever sent a recruiter there. Or one to Notre Dame. Or one to Brigham Young. Or one to Liberty University. And so on.

    Erm.

    A very quick search reveals many pages of results, filled with people discussing the swag available at Google recruitment events at Northwestern, people describing how they landed a job at Google at the end of undergraduate and masters programmes at Northwestern, and even what looks like the LinkedIn profile of someone on Google's dedicated Northwestern recruitment team.

    And here's a link to the Google-sponsored Google Developer Student Club at Northwestern: https://gdsc.community.dev/northwestern-university/
    Er, oh - Google was feeding me results for Northwestern, not Northwest. Oops!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,066
    .
    AlsoLei said:

    Here's a local example for you: There is a Google campus a few blocks away from me. A little further away, but still within easy walking distance, is Northwest University.
    https://www.northwestu.edu/

    Ask Google if they have ever sent a recruiter there. Or one to Notre Dame. Or one to Brigham Young. Or one to Liberty University. And so on.

    Erm.

    A very quick search reveals many pages of results, filled with people discussing the swag available at Google recruitment events at Northwestern, people describing how they landed a job at Google at the end of undergraduate and masters programmes at Northwestern, and even what looks like the LinkedIn profile of someone on Google's dedicated Northwestern recruitment team.

    And here's a link to the Google-sponsored Google Developer Student Club at Northwestern: https://gdsc.community.dev/northwestern-university/
    That's not Northwest - but see SSI's reply.

    My knowledge of US tech HR policy is limited, but as you found, a quick search suggests Jim is a bit off base.

    This Quora page suggests no one cares, so long as you do your job.
    https://www.quora.com/In-Silicon-Valley-is-it-atheists-or-Christians-who-are-more-likely-to-be-misunderstood-face-discrimination
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    edited February 27

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    How much will a criminal conviction impact Trump? Not as much as the polls suggest it will is my view. He's primed his supporters to believe it is all a hoax, so I don't buy that such a large number will suddenly wake up and realise he is not fit. Especially not when he will already be the nominee (or as good as) by then. They know, as the GOP knows, that they will certainly lose if they junk him, and enough despise Biden to keep most of his voters with him even post conviction.

    Add to that he almost certainly won't be convicted in the Georgia case or the Mar-a-Lago case by the time of the election, because they will probably be delayed to post or during election (we shall find out soon apparently about the MAL case, but the motions are such that there is not really time). The DC election interference case might possibly get to trial by the late summer, but that's not certain yet depending how long the Supreme Court takes. And the New York case is apparently the weakest of the cases, so I don't think anyone can be super confident that he will be convicted.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    Get your hauberks oiled up lads.


    I'd be happy to, I love a good hauberk oiling, but they've not explained what it is time for.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    My son, who travels much more than Leon, has built up an enormous bank of Marriot points.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,047

    Religion is a protected category in most US civil rights laws. But organizations dominated by cultural leftists discriminate against those believers regularly, without any fear of punishment.

    And the Democratic Party often caters to them. For example, I can not imagine Washington state's attorney general, Bob Ferguson, defending that hypothetical young Catholic woman I mentioned.

    But don't ask me: Ask Google, and Apple, and the rest, whether those traditional groups constitute about 40 percent of their employees.

    Maybe all that money that gets donated to Trump and goes on his legal fees would be better donated to fund legal cases for these hypothetical young Catholic women denied jobs in tech.

    Or maybe young Catholic women don’t train and work in these sorts of tech areas for other reasons and there’s no discrimination in Google’s and Apple’s hiring. I don’t know. I’m certainly for more regulation of big tech.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,
    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    I know they find it more exciting to flirt like this, but if you want to go Reform - and many Tories do, whether for policy reasons or anger at Sunak reasons - then just do it, do't be coy about it. Christ, Anderon's whole tired schtick is the bloke who says what he thinks (and presumably acts on it), just do it if he wants to. Plenty of Tories will happily go with him, and help destroy the party even further.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986

    Get your hauberks oiled up lads.

    Life is too short to oil your own hauberk...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    Scott_xP said:

    Get your hauberks oiled up lads.

    Life is too short to oil your own hauberk...
    Depends on how big one's hauberk is.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    The ignominy of meeting at the first nice-enough hotel off the motorway, rather than both sides wasting half an hour driving to the fancy place where they’re probably more likely be be spotted. IIRC Holiday Inn is the largest 4* chain in the UK, and more than adequate for 99% of meetings.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    kle4 said:

    Get your hauberks oiled up lads.


    I'd be happy to, I love a good hauberk oiling, but they've not explained what it is time for.
    If you know, you know
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Scott_xP said:

    Get your hauberks oiled up lads.

    Life is too short to oil your own hauberk...
    It does look like one of those circulars saying that exotic carpets will be sold at the local Holiday Inn. Get measured up for your hauberk cheap this weekend ...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Get your hauberks oiled up lads.

    Life is too short to oil your own hauberk...
    It does look like one of those circulars saying that exotic carpets will be sold at the local Holiday Inn. Get measured up for your hauberk cheap this weekend ...
    Don't you have a guy? Who's your hauberk guy?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Scott_xP said:

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Get your hauberks oiled up lads.

    Life is too short to oil your own hauberk...
    It does look like one of those circulars saying that exotic carpets will be sold at the local Holiday Inn. Get measured up for your hauberk cheap this weekend ...
    Don't you have a guy? Who's your hauberk guy?
    Hauberk varlet.
  • kle4 said:

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,
    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    I know they find it more exciting to flirt like this, but if you want to go Reform - and many Tories do, whether for policy reasons or anger at Sunak reasons - then just do it, do't be coy about it. Christ, Anderon's whole tired schtick is the bloke who says what he thinks (and presumably acts on it), just do it if he wants to. Plenty of Tories will happily go with him, and help destroy the party even further.
    "A great Party, rotted from within, was defeated from without."
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    viewcode said:

    Um, @rcs1000, @Sandpit, @Jim_Miller, discrimination law in England precludes the asking of certain questions in interviews: the classic example is "what would you do if you became pregnant", implying discrimination against women. I appreciate hiring in US/unnamed Arabic state may be different.

    I work for one of the UK’s most well known companies. And it’s fairly well understood internally that they casually break uk employment laws to further a woke agenda. Interviews follow a closely defined script provided by Hr lawyers, with no room for deviation, that’s not where it happens. The discrimination comes in a stage earlier. There have been occasions where I’ve been asked to put forward external candidates for a role but “only if they are female or a minority”. I once had the perfect candidate but white male. I didn’t even get to submit his cv for consideration. You’d be shocked at how prevalent this culture has become in big business.
  • Meanwhile, London Calling...

    Sadiq Khan has a 25-point lead over Susan Hall with just ten weeks to go before the London mayoral election, an exclusive new poll revealed on Tuesday.

    The Labour candidate is on 49 per cent and his Tory rival 24 per cent, according to the YouGov survey for the Mile End Institute at Queen Mary University of London.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sadiq-khan-susan-hall-london-mayor-labour-tory-b1141701.html
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    moonshine said:

    viewcode said:

    Um, @rcs1000, @Sandpit, @Jim_Miller, discrimination law in England precludes the asking of certain questions in interviews: the classic example is "what would you do if you became pregnant", implying discrimination against women. I appreciate hiring in US/unnamed Arabic state may be different.

    I work for one of the UK’s most well known companies. And it’s fairly well understood internally that they casually break uk employment laws to further a woke agenda. Interviews follow a closely defined script provided by Hr lawyers, with no room for deviation, that’s not where it happens. The discrimination comes in a stage earlier. There have been occasions where I’ve been asked to put forward external candidates for a role but “only if they are female or a minority”. I once had the perfect candidate but white male. I didn’t even get to submit his cv for consideration. You’d be shocked at how prevalent this culture has become in big business.
    Unfortunately I wouldn't be shocked. One is allowed to do "positive action" (invite to interview based on characteristics) but not "positive discrimination" (hire based on characteristics). The fact that the former can be gamed to preferentially favour one group is sadly not surprising.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,457
    Nigelb said:

    .

    AlsoLei said:

    Here's a local example for you: There is a Google campus a few blocks away from me. A little further away, but still within easy walking distance, is Northwest University.
    https://www.northwestu.edu/

    Ask Google if they have ever sent a recruiter there. Or one to Notre Dame. Or one to Brigham Young. Or one to Liberty University. And so on.

    Erm.

    A very quick search reveals many pages of results, filled with people discussing the swag available at Google recruitment events at Northwestern, people describing how they landed a job at Google at the end of undergraduate and masters programmes at Northwestern, and even what looks like the LinkedIn profile of someone on Google's dedicated Northwestern recruitment team.

    And here's a link to the Google-sponsored Google Developer Student Club at Northwestern: https://gdsc.community.dev/northwestern-university/
    That's not Northwest - but see SSI's reply.

    My knowledge of US tech HR policy is limited, but as you found, a quick search suggests Jim is a bit off base.

    This Quora page suggests no one cares, so long as you do your job.
    https://www.quora.com/In-Silicon-Valley-is-it-atheists-or-Christians-who-are-more-likely-to-be-misunderstood-face-discrimination
    There's definitely a bit of "who you know" stuff going on in SV, with Stanford grads prioritised above all others. But once you get beyond that, getting in the door is mostly a matter of grinding leetcode enough to be able to pass the coding & system design interviews which are almost universal these days.

    The behavioural interview might give more scope for subtle discrimination, but it's mostly "how do you choose what to work on next?" and "tell me about a time when you disagreed with a peer"-type stuff. They tend to be pretty scripted, and focussed on work rather than anything remotely close to politics or lifestyle issues...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,559

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    edited February 27
    tlg86 said:

    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.

    Sorry, what is the problem?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    edited February 27

    Meanwhile, London Calling...

    Sadiq Khan has a 25-point lead over Susan Hall with just ten weeks to go before the London mayoral election, an exclusive new poll revealed on Tuesday.

    The Labour candidate is on 49 per cent and his Tory rival 24 per cent, according to the YouGov survey for the Mile End Institute at Queen Mary University of London.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sadiq-khan-susan-hall-london-mayor-labour-tory-b1141701.html

    It would be pretty funny if after having switched various elections to FPTP on the spurious grounds that it was a manifesto committment (it wasn't, it just talked about supporting FPTP generically, not that it would be rolled out to mayoralties etc) in order try to benefit, if Khan got the highest vote of any London race yet, or even a majority without the need for second rounds.

    We will continue to support the First Past the Post system of voting, as it allows voters to kick out politicians who don’t deliver, both locally and nationally.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,417

    Religion is a protected category in most US civil rights laws. But organizations dominated by cultural leftists discriminate against those believers regularly, without any fear of punishment.

    And the Democratic Party often caters to them. For example, I can not imagine Washington state's attorney general, Bob Ferguson, defending that hypothetical young Catholic woman I mentioned.

    But don't ask me: Ask Google, and Apple, and the rest, whether those traditional groups constitute about 40 percent of their employees.

    Maybe all that money that gets donated to Trump and goes on his legal fees would be better donated to fund legal cases for these hypothetical young Catholic women denied jobs in tech.

    Or maybe young Catholic women don’t train and work in these sorts of tech areas for other reasons and there’s no discrimination in Google’s and Apple’s hiring. I don’t know. I’m certainly for more regulation of big tech.
    The most disruptive person with whom I ever worked was a committed evangelical Christian. The second was a very committed Moslem.
    The EC (female) used to lecture young female members of the team on sexual adventures; the Moslem (male) wanted somewhere to pray, and to put out leaflets explaining Islam on the dispensary counter.
  • tlg86 said:

    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.

    What are you and Guido talking about and why does it matter?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    ...

    AlsoLei said:

    AlsoLei said:

    Interesting goings-on at the PO scandal evidence session for the business committee.

    Former PO chair Staunton has made "bombshell revelations about a boardroom that is in disarray, a chief executive [Nick Read] that is under investigation and a chief executive who has sought to resign, even though he told us on oath that he has not"
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-68405566

    Perhaps the biggest claim is that "it's Nick Read [the PO chief exec] who is subject to misconduct inquiry, not him" - this directly contradicts what Badenoch's been saying.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-sadiq-khan-conservatives-islamophobia-post-office-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63#block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63

    And now, Kevin Hollinrake, the postal services minister appears to have all but confirmed this, saying "that it was “entirely inappropriate” for Henry Staunton to talk to the Commons business committee about Nick Read, the chief executive, being investigated over a misconduct complaint."
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-sadiq-khan-conservatives-islamophobia-post-office-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63#block-65ddf5b78f08c90e7e511c63

    Seems like it's about to become an even huger mess...

    The session was an embarrassment and whilst he accuses Nick Read of misconduct he accepts he is also

    The postmasters must be gobsmacked
    Agreed - Staunton didn't seem a particularly credible witness to me (to say the least!). I thought Liam Byrne's eyes were going to pop out at one point...

    That said, if Hollinrake really is saying that his claims were "inappropriate" rather than wrong or misleading, then it leaves Kemi looking rather exposed. The only source I've seen so far is a tweet quoted by the Guardian live blog, so let's see how it develops...
    I listened to the whole testimony and the looks of incredulity by the mps and those behind him said it all

    He was all over the place and he seemed to 'protest too much '

    To be honest Badenoch took the correct decision in sacking him, certainly on the way he presented himself today, but frankly the whole lot of them should be sacked and the matter taken completely out of the Post Office's hands
    Shame Kemi didn't sack herself too. Utterly out of her depth.
    Toryphobia.
    Not true. She has been a disaster. Cameron on the other hand has been a revelation as FS. Better than he was PM.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,574

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Premier inns are great. Except for the restaurants in the smaller ones, which are awful.

    "Trips of a lifetime" always worry me. What if someone saves for ten years and then it's shit?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,360
    kle4 said:

    Meanwhile, London Calling...

    Sadiq Khan has a 25-point lead over Susan Hall with just ten weeks to go before the London mayoral election, an exclusive new poll revealed on Tuesday.

    The Labour candidate is on 49 per cent and his Tory rival 24 per cent, according to the YouGov survey for the Mile End Institute at Queen Mary University of London.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sadiq-khan-susan-hall-london-mayor-labour-tory-b1141701.html

    It would be pretty funny if after having switched various elections to FPTP on the spurious grounds that it was a manifesto committment (it wasn't, it just talked about supporting FPTP generically, not that it would be rolled out to mayoralties etc) in order try to benefit, if Khan got the highest vote of any London race yet, or even a majority without the need for second rounds.
    'Have you met my dog? She's called Karma.'
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    I amazed how little people on this site appear to care about the safety of MPs. After the Speaker admitted last week that he'd changed procedures because of fears over safety Harriet Harman has suggested more working from home so MPs don't feel under so much pressure.

    Is it seriously coming to this? No doubt as with antisemitism we'll get plenty of 'isn't it awful but what can we do about it?' responses.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,066
    edited February 27
    tlg86 said:

    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.


    "Nobody puts Angela in a corner."
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275

    tlg86 said:

    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.

    Sorry, what is the problem?
    The problem is the right wing press are desperate .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    I amazed how little people on this site appear to care about the safety of MPs. After the Speaker admitted last week that he'd changed procedures because of fears over safety Harriet Harman has suggested more working from home so MPs don't feel under so much pressure.

    Is it seriously coming to this? No doubt as with antisemitism we'll get plenty of 'isn't it awful but what can we do about it?' responses.

    I'm very concerned about it, and that is pretty much my response. Violence and threats work, and that provides an incentive for it to continue and indeed escalate. Short of round the clock security I expect more MPs to be murdered, and that should be insane.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Meanwhile, London Calling...

    Sadiq Khan has a 25-point lead over Susan Hall with just ten weeks to go before the London mayoral election, an exclusive new poll revealed on Tuesday.

    The Labour candidate is on 49 per cent and his Tory rival 24 per cent, according to the YouGov survey for the Mile End Institute at Queen Mary University of London.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sadiq-khan-susan-hall-london-mayor-labour-tory-b1141701.html

    It would be pretty funny if after having switched various elections to FPTP on the spurious grounds that it was a manifesto committment (it wasn't, it just talked about supporting FPTP generically, not that it would be rolled out to mayoralties etc) in order try to benefit, if Khan got the highest vote of any London race yet, or even a majority without the need for second rounds.
    'Have you met my dog? She's called Karma.'
    "Have you met my chameleon? He's called [That's enough - Ed]
  • tlg86 said:

    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.

    What are you and Guido talking about and why does it matter?
    No idea to be honest
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    moonshine said:

    viewcode said:

    Um, @rcs1000, @Sandpit, @Jim_Miller, discrimination law in England precludes the asking of certain questions in interviews: the classic example is "what would you do if you became pregnant", implying discrimination against women. I appreciate hiring in US/unnamed Arabic state may be different.

    I work for one of the UK’s most well known companies. And it’s fairly well understood internally that they casually break uk employment laws to further a woke agenda. Interviews follow a closely defined script provided by Hr lawyers, with no room for deviation, that’s not where it happens. The discrimination comes in a stage earlier. There have been occasions where I’ve been asked to put forward external candidates for a role but “only if they are female or a minority”. I once had the perfect candidate but white male. I didn’t even get to submit his cv for consideration. You’d be shocked at how prevalent this culture has become in big business.
    The interesting question would be why?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    edited February 27

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    In the nominations for worst hotel in the country I offer up the Halifax Travelodge. The address should be a giveaway: Gate 9, Dean Clough Industrial Park.

    Tbf I haven't had the dubious pleasure of staying there recently but when I did stay, if you made the mistake of including breakfast they gave that to you in a carrier bag at check-in, and it included a long-life 'bread' roll, tub of cereal, UHT milk, and some other shite.
  • nico679 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.

    Sorry, what is the problem?
    The problem is the right wing press are desperate .
    I would suggest you get used to it for the next 9 months because I expect it will get worse from all sides, sadly
  • This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Staying in a nice hotel is one of my life's rich rewards.

    Ditto restaurants.

    Don't be anti-elitist, that way leads to Brexit.
  • This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    In the nominations for worst hotel in the country I offer up the Halifax Travelodge. The address should be a giveaway: Gate 9, Dean Clough Industrial Park.

    Tbf I haven't had the dubious pleasure of staying there recently but when I did stay, if you made the mistake of including breakfast they gave that to you in a carrier bag at check-in, and it included a long-life 'bread' roll, tub of cereal, UHT milk, and some other shite.
    Is it Travelodge that allows dogs when others don't ?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,814

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Surely the people who pour scorn on them would have achieved a good level of snobbery rather than just being wannabe snobs? Of course, unless they are doing a self parody of a snob.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    nico679 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.

    Sorry, what is the problem?
    The problem is the right wing press are desperate .
    Isn't it a question of her paying capital gains tax on a non-primary residence? Something a lot of MPs were done for during the expenses scandal.
  • The Royals not having a good time of it at the moment.

    Tom Kingston, the husband of Lady Gabrielle Windsor, the daughter of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, has died suddenly at the age of 45.

    A Palace spokesman said: “The King and The Queen have been informed of Thomas’s death and join Prince and Princess Michael of Kent and all those who knew him in grieving a much-loved member of the family. In particular, their Majesties send their most heartfelt thoughts and prayers to Gabriella and to all the Kingston family.”

    Kingston was found deceased at an address in Gloucestershire on Sunday evening. Emergency services were called to the scene shortly after 6pm. An inquest will be held to establish the cause of death but there are no suspicious circumstances and no other parties involved.

    It is not believed to be the reason why the Prince of Wales pulled out of a memorial service today for his godfather King Constantine II.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ff4c4d4d-c299-4a9e-90bf-0b884d70a511
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,559
    carnforth said:

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Premier inns are great. Except for the restaurants in the smaller ones, which are awful.

    "Trips of a lifetime" always worry me. What if someone saves for ten years and then it's shit?
    We were once walking the Thames Path and booked a B&B in Maidenhead. We knew there were *issues* when there was a large broken statue of the Statue of Liberty in the car park. The room turned out to be *extremely* pink. In the early evening the extractor fan for the restaurant / takeaway downstairs started; the bed vibrated and the room filled with the stench of cooking meat (Mrs J was a vegetarian). The bed was on castors on a wooden floor, and when we woke up in the morning, the bed was on the other side of the room.

    It was so bad that it was brilliant.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984

    nico679 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.

    Sorry, what is the problem?
    The problem is the right wing press are desperate .
    Isn't it a question of her paying capital gains tax on a non-primary residence? Something a lot of MPs were done for during the expenses scandal.
    If that’s true then she is out. If.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549

    Here's an example for all of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain

    Swain has said she faced far more discrimination at Princeton because of her religous beliefs than because of her race.

    (Incidentally, she was one of the scholars Claudine Gay "borrowed" from.)

    I watch her videos on YouTube every so often.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    In the nominations for worst hotel in the country I offer up the Halifax Travelodge. The address should be a giveaway: Gate 9, Dean Clough Industrial Park.

    Tbf I haven't had the dubious pleasure of staying there recently but when I did stay, if you made the mistake of including breakfast they gave that to you in a carrier bag at check-in, and it included a long-life 'bread' roll, tub of cereal, UHT milk, and some other shite.
    Is it Travelodge that allows dogs when others don't ?
    Travelodge does, Premier Inn doesn't, the Accor hotels (Ibis, Mercure, Novotel) all do allow dogs, I believe.

    On that basis I assume Leon always chooses Premier Inn.
  • This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    In the nominations for worst hotel in the country I offer up the Halifax Travelodge. The address should be a giveaway: Gate 9, Dean Clough Industrial Park.

    Tbf I haven't had the dubious pleasure of staying there recently but when I did stay, if you made the mistake of including breakfast they gave that to you in a carrier bag at check-in, and it included a long-life 'bread' roll, tub of cereal, UHT milk, and some other shite.
    Fairly certain that breakfast is against the Geneva Convention.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,872
    edited February 27

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    In the nominations for worst hotel in the country I offer up the Halifax Travelodge. The address should be a giveaway: Gate 9, Dean Clough Industrial Park.

    Tbf I haven't had the dubious pleasure of staying there recently but when I did stay, if you made the mistake of including breakfast they gave that to you in a carrier bag at check-in, and it included a long-life 'bread' roll, tub of cereal, UHT milk, and some other shite.
    An old sales rep once told me Premier Inn are a notch above the other budget hotel chains although I dare say he simply avoided the others after a couple of bad experiences.

    ETA they do seem to be used for school parties, I've noticed, which makes sense as they are generally near stations.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    edited February 27

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    In the nominations for worst hotel in the country I offer up the Halifax Travelodge. The address should be a giveaway: Gate 9, Dean Clough Industrial Park.

    Tbf I haven't had the dubious pleasure of staying there recently but when I did stay, if you made the mistake of including breakfast they gave that to you in a carrier bag at check-in, and it included a long-life 'bread' roll, tub of cereal, UHT milk, and some other shite.
    Fairly certain that breakfast is against the Geneva Convention.
    It's not improved much since I was there:

    image

    (Or presumably pay £10 and they'll let you off the breakfast).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Premier Inn Hubs are often the best value for money. Usually far better than ordinary Premier Inns.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Yeah Premier Inn is the business. Comfy bed, nice breakfast, parking, what else do you need?
  • This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Yeah Premier Inn is the business. Comfy bed, nice breakfast, parking, what else do you need?
    A good concierge service for starters.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,913

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    In the nominations for worst hotel in the country I offer up the Halifax Travelodge. The address should be a giveaway: Gate 9, Dean Clough Industrial Park.

    Tbf I haven't had the dubious pleasure of staying there recently but when I did stay, if you made the mistake of including breakfast they gave that to you in a carrier bag at check-in, and it included a long-life 'bread' roll, tub of cereal, UHT milk, and some other shite.
    An old sales rep once told me Premier Inn are a notch above the other budget hotel chains although I dare say he simply avoided the others after a couple of bad experiences.

    ETA they do seem to be used for school parties, I've noticed, which makes sense as they are generally near stations.
    Yes, Premier Inn is not bad, although some of those are on industrial estates too.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    In the nominations for worst hotel in the country I offer up the Halifax Travelodge. The address should be a giveaway: Gate 9, Dean Clough Industrial Park.

    Tbf I haven't had the dubious pleasure of staying there recently but when I did stay, if you made the mistake of including breakfast they gave that to you in a carrier bag at check-in, and it included a long-life 'bread' roll, tub of cereal, UHT milk, and some other shite.
    Is it Travelodge that allows dogs when others don't ?
    Travelodge does, Premier Inn doesn't, the Accor hotels (Ibis, Mercure, Novotel) all do allow dogs, I believe.

    On that basis I assume Leon always chooses Premier Inn.
    Oh I don't know, if he picked a Travelodge he could have a Shih Tzu as a starter and a Dobermann as a main course.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,574
    TimS said:

    nico679 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.

    Sorry, what is the problem?
    The problem is the right wing press are desperate .
    Isn't it a question of her paying capital gains tax on a non-primary residence? Something a lot of MPs were done for during the expenses scandal.
    If that’s true then she is out. If.
    He thinks he has her either way:

    "Either Angela Rayner lied on the birth certificate or she is lying now. If she told the truth on the birth certificate she was liable for capital gains tax, if she did not she is in breach of Section 4 of the Perjury Act (1911)."

    Whether it comes to anything, of course, is another matter.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,559

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Surely the people who pour scorn on them would have achieved a good level of snobbery rather than just being wannabe snobs? Of course, unless they are doing a self parody of a snob.
    Actually, old money is generally so hard-up nowadays they're often very careful with the money. It's the wannabes who go on about the high-class hotels they stay in, as if it means anything aside from what great tossers they are. ;)

    (Then again, I might be coming from the angle of a long-distance walker, who is often rather (ahem) dishevelled when I stay in a B&B or hotel...
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Here's an example for all of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain

    Swain has said she faced far more discrimination at Princeton because of her religous beliefs than because of her race.

    (Incidentally, she was one of the scholars Claudine Gay "borrowed" from.)

    An example of what ?

    She was a tenured professor ar Princeton; what does that demonstrate with regard to the religious discrimination you say exists in tech ?

    One can give arguably more relevant counter examples, which suggest that companies are aware of their legal responsibilities ... to an extent which sometimes leads them to discriminate in the other direction.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
    America’s most prominent caste equity activist, Thenmozhi Soundararajan, was slated to give a talk at Google in April, for Dalit History Month. She was ready, she said, to explain to one of the world’s largest tech companies that caste oppression is a problem — and that it probably exists under its roof, too.

    She was armed with years worth of stats gathered through her civil rights organization, Equality Labs, which show that two-thirds of Dalits, those who have been historically oppressed under India’s caste system, have faced discrimination in their U.S. workplace.

    But as news spread of her impending appearance, not everyone at Google was happy. A handful of Hindu employees said that they felt “targeted” on the basis of religion, a company statement and several anonymous interviews confirmed. They appealed to Google leadership asking that the speech be canceled, and so it was.

    Soundararajan was informed her talk would not go forward, The Washington Post first reported.

    “It was very troubling that Google News management could not discern disinformation and bigotry,” Soundararajan told NBC Asian America. “We are seeing people who have multiple protected classes weaponize language of equity to avoid confronting the systems that have given them privilege.” ..
    Just let the whole DEI industry die, and let’s see a return to the ideals of equality of opportunity and a colour-blind society.
    Because that was definitely what society used to be like.
  • kle4 said:

    Meanwhile, London Calling...

    Sadiq Khan has a 25-point lead over Susan Hall with just ten weeks to go before the London mayoral election, an exclusive new poll revealed on Tuesday.

    The Labour candidate is on 49 per cent and his Tory rival 24 per cent, according to the YouGov survey for the Mile End Institute at Queen Mary University of London.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sadiq-khan-susan-hall-london-mayor-labour-tory-b1141701.html

    It would be pretty funny if after having switched various elections to FPTP on the spurious grounds that it was a manifesto committment (it wasn't, it just talked about supporting FPTP generically, not that it would be rolled out to mayoralties etc) in order try to benefit, if Khan got the highest vote of any London race yet, or even a majority without the need for second rounds.

    We will continue to support the First Past the Post system of voting, as it allows voters to kick out politicians who don’t deliver, both locally and nationally.
    There's a future PhD thesis, or at least a blog post, on boomerang gerrymandering. FPTP for mayors; purging electoral rolls (which cost Brexit); requiring photo ID which many older Conservative voters do not possess.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Yeah Premier Inn is the business. Comfy bed, nice breakfast, parking, what else do you need?
    A good concierge service for starters.
    What even is that? I've always seen these concierge desks next to check in, in fancy hotels I stay in for work, and never understood what they do.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    TimS said:

    nico679 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Has Guido got Rayner in a corner?

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1762528491528929519

    @GuidoFawkes
    Let me explain the confusion; box 10 is where she originally registered the birth and can't be changed. She got married and now was re-registering the birth with her married surname and her new address in box 13.

    Sorry, what is the problem?
    The problem is the right wing press are desperate .
    Isn't it a question of her paying capital gains tax on a non-primary residence? Something a lot of MPs were done for during the expenses scandal.
    If that’s true then she is out. If.
    Maybe it was a genuine mistake when filling out the form . It does seem strange to run this story months before an election . You’d think if it was so explosive they’d save it for nearer the time .
  • This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Yeah Premier Inn is the business. Comfy bed, nice breakfast, parking, what else do you need?
    A good concierge service for starters.
    What even is that? I've always seen these concierge desks next to check in, in fancy hotels I stay in for work, and never understood what they do.
    Will get you tickets for shows/events that are sold out, ditto restaurant reservations.

    They are the guys I ring before my romantic stays at a hotel.

    Recently they helped ensure there were 144 roses, chocolates, etc in our room for our Valentine's Day long weekend.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Here's an example for all of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain

    Swain has said she faced far more discrimination at Princeton because of her religous beliefs than because of her race.

    (Incidentally, she was one of the scholars Claudine Gay "borrowed" from.)

    An example of what ?

    She was a tenured professor ar Princeton; what does that demonstrate with regard to the religious discrimination you say exists in tech ?

    One can give arguably more relevant counter examples, which suggest that companies are aware of their legal responsibilities ... to an extent which sometimes leads them to discriminate in the other direction.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
    America’s most prominent caste equity activist, Thenmozhi Soundararajan, was slated to give a talk at Google in April, for Dalit History Month. She was ready, she said, to explain to one of the world’s largest tech companies that caste oppression is a problem — and that it probably exists under its roof, too.

    She was armed with years worth of stats gathered through her civil rights organization, Equality Labs, which show that two-thirds of Dalits, those who have been historically oppressed under India’s caste system, have faced discrimination in their U.S. workplace.

    But as news spread of her impending appearance, not everyone at Google was happy. A handful of Hindu employees said that they felt “targeted” on the basis of religion, a company statement and several anonymous interviews confirmed. They appealed to Google leadership asking that the speech be canceled, and so it was.

    Soundararajan was informed her talk would not go forward, The Washington Post first reported.

    “It was very troubling that Google News management could not discern disinformation and bigotry,” Soundararajan told NBC Asian America. “We are seeing people who have multiple protected classes weaponize language of equity to avoid confronting the systems that have given them privilege.” ..
    Just let the whole DEI industry die, and let’s see a return to the ideals of equality of opportunity and a colour-blind society.
    Because that was definitely what society used to be like.
    Because that’s what we should all want society to be like.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Yeah Premier Inn is the business. Comfy bed, nice breakfast, parking, what else do you need?
    A good concierge service for starters.
    What even is that? I've always seen these concierge desks next to check in, in fancy hotels I stay in for work, and never understood what they do.
    Will get you tickets for shows/events that are sold out, ditto restaurant reservations.

    They are the guys I ring before my romantic stays at a hotel.

    Recently they helped ensure there were 144 roses, chocolates, etc in our room for our Valentine's Day long weekend.

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Yeah Premier Inn is the business. Comfy bed, nice breakfast, parking, what else do you need?
    A good concierge service for starters.
    What even is that? I've always seen these concierge desks next to check in, in fancy hotels I stay in for work, and never understood what they do.
    Will get you tickets for shows/events that are sold out, ditto restaurant reservations.

    They are the guys I ring before my romantic stays at a hotel.

    Recently they helped ensure there were 144 roses, chocolates, etc in our room for our Valentine's Day long weekend.
    You invite the concierge to a romantic stay in a hotel?
  • kjh said:

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Yeah Premier Inn is the business. Comfy bed, nice breakfast, parking, what else do you need?
    A good concierge service for starters.
    What even is that? I've always seen these concierge desks next to check in, in fancy hotels I stay in for work, and never understood what they do.
    Will get you tickets for shows/events that are sold out, ditto restaurant reservations.

    They are the guys I ring before my romantic stays at a hotel.

    Recently they helped ensure there were 144 roses, chocolates, etc in our room for our Valentine's Day long weekend.

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    Yeah Premier Inn is the business. Comfy bed, nice breakfast, parking, what else do you need?
    A good concierge service for starters.
    What even is that? I've always seen these concierge desks next to check in, in fancy hotels I stay in for work, and never understood what they do.
    Will get you tickets for shows/events that are sold out, ditto restaurant reservations.

    They are the guys I ring before my romantic stays at a hotel.

    Recently they helped ensure there were 144 roses, chocolates, etc in our room for our Valentine's Day long weekend.
    You invite the concierge to a romantic stay in a hotel?
    Depends how cute she is.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,559
    Incidentally, one of the things I love about staying in cheap hotels is talking to the staff and/or the other guests during breakfast. They're often fascinating.

    As an example, in North Wales I once met some blokes from Newcastle who worked for BT. Apparently every year inner-city engineers have to work for a week or so in the countryside, to get used to working on overhead lines, whilst countryside-based engineers go to the city to work on underground lines. I got the impression it was a bot of a jolly for them.

    People are so fascinating.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,354

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    I ended up using Premier Inn a lot in the year before the pandemic, and I can't say I'd ever choose to stay there if I could avoid it, or pay my own money to do so, but it was for work, and over the course of the year I exhausted all the alternatives in the area and, except for a couple of airbnbs that were rarely available, all the other options were worse.

    Conclusion being that the standard of hotel accommodation in suburban London is shockingly low.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,767
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Here's an example for all of you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Swain

    Swain has said she faced far more discrimination at Princeton because of her religous beliefs than because of her race.

    (Incidentally, she was one of the scholars Claudine Gay "borrowed" from.)

    An example of what ?

    She was a tenured professor ar Princeton; what does that demonstrate with regard to the religious discrimination you say exists in tech ?

    One can give arguably more relevant counter examples, which suggest that companies are aware of their legal responsibilities ... to an extent which sometimes leads them to discriminate in the other direction.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692
    America’s most prominent caste equity activist, Thenmozhi Soundararajan, was slated to give a talk at Google in April, for Dalit History Month. She was ready, she said, to explain to one of the world’s largest tech companies that caste oppression is a problem — and that it probably exists under its roof, too.

    She was armed with years worth of stats gathered through her civil rights organization, Equality Labs, which show that two-thirds of Dalits, those who have been historically oppressed under India’s caste system, have faced discrimination in their U.S. workplace.

    But as news spread of her impending appearance, not everyone at Google was happy. A handful of Hindu employees said that they felt “targeted” on the basis of religion, a company statement and several anonymous interviews confirmed. They appealed to Google leadership asking that the speech be canceled, and so it was.

    Soundararajan was informed her talk would not go forward, The Washington Post first reported.

    “It was very troubling that Google News management could not discern disinformation and bigotry,” Soundararajan told NBC Asian America. “We are seeing people who have multiple protected classes weaponize language of equity to avoid confronting the systems that have given them privilege.” ..
    Just let the whole DEI industry die, and let’s see a return to the ideals of equality of opportunity and a colour-blind society.
    Because that was definitely what society used to be like.
    Because that’s what we should all want society to be like.
    And I'm sure we will get there if we just rely on all the white guys in charge to make it happen.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748
    edited February 27
    viewcode said:

    moonshine said:

    viewcode said:

    Um, @rcs1000, @Sandpit, @Jim_Miller, discrimination law in England precludes the asking of certain questions in interviews: the classic example is "what would you do if you became pregnant", implying discrimination against women. I appreciate hiring in US/unnamed Arabic state may be different.

    I work for one of the UK’s most well known companies. And it’s fairly well understood internally that they casually break uk employment laws to further a woke agenda. Interviews follow a closely defined script provided by Hr lawyers, with no room for deviation, that’s not where it happens. The discrimination comes in a stage earlier. There have been occasions where I’ve been asked to put forward external candidates for a role but “only if they are female or a minority”. I once had the perfect candidate but white male. I didn’t even get to submit his cv for consideration. You’d be shocked at how prevalent this culture has become in big business.
    Unfortunately I wouldn't be shocked. One is allowed to do "positive action" (invite to interview based on characteristics) but not "positive discrimination" (hire based on characteristics). The fact that the former can be gamed to preferentially favour one group is sadly not surprising.
    Obviously, if anyone gets treated "less favourably" than someone else because of a protected characteristic, at whatever stage, it's discrimination. Still, I suppose it is allowed if nothing happens to stop it.
  • Sandpit said:

    This says so much about the lack of class with Lee Anderson and Reform.

    A fucking Holiday Inn?

    Have some dignity, don't lower yourself with a Holiday Inn.

    BREAKING on @GBNEWS now,

    Former Tory deputy chairman Lee Anderson held private 'one to one' talks with Richard Tice, the leader of the Reform UK party, at a Holiday Inn hotel, at junction 28 of the M1 in South Normanton, Derbyshire on Sunday, 24 hours after he lost the Tory whip.


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1762525720813736010

    Would you have preferred a Premier Inn?
    I always use Premier Inns

    Mind you I stayed in a holiday in in Kelowna in Canada when my eldest was married and it was very good
    They do the job, as do Holiday Inn. You *generally* get what you pay for; and what you pay is a heck of a lot less than you pay for the sort of tosserific high-class shitbag of a hotel that @TheScreamingEagles and @Leon appear to love.

    We've had one bad experience in a Holiday Inn or Premier Inn; and that was in York when Mrs J was running a marathon and the room flooded the night before. But the (I think solitary) night staff member was very good and, if not sorted the mess out, made it so we could get a reasonable night's sleep.

    Compared to B&B's, where we've had tremendous value and some hilariously poor experiences. Or high-class hotels, where you simply don't get what you pay for. Fine if you're on a trip of a lifetime, or on an expenses account, but sh*t if you're paying.

    There's a reason why Premier Inn and Holiday Inn exist; and the people who poor scorn on them are just wannabe snobs, and can be ignored as such.
    In the nominations for worst hotel in the country I offer up the Halifax Travelodge. The address should be a giveaway: Gate 9, Dean Clough Industrial Park.

    Tbf I haven't had the dubious pleasure of staying there recently but when I did stay, if you made the mistake of including breakfast they gave that to you in a carrier bag at check-in, and it included a long-life 'bread' roll, tub of cereal, UHT milk, and some other shite.
    An old sales rep once told me Premier Inn are a notch above the other budget hotel chains although I dare say he simply avoided the others after a couple of bad experiences.

    ETA they do seem to be used for school parties, I've noticed, which makes sense as they are generally near stations.
    As a former road warrior, I’d describe Premier Inn as the McDonald’s of hotels. If you’re arriving in a strange town late at night, it’s going to be the safe option at a good price that’s unlikely to make you sick. Definitely a notch above Travelodge, at least they were a couple of decades ago.
    They are great with children. Family room, kids free breakfast, job done. We have stayed at 4 in the last year, thee excellent, one okish. The best was Leicester Forest where they insisted on helping taking our luggage to the car when we left and flatly refused to accept a tip for doing so.
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