...Now when the Johnson Administration in Britain came over to talk to Donald Trump's Administration about a trade deal and they found out what the conditions would be they walked away. And then the next government came in and did the same thing and walked away (or was it Teresa May?). Anyway there were two back-to-back and so the Brits right now are in this nether world where they kind of quietly admit to themselves that, in order to find a future that has some degree of economic functionality, they have to get into bed with their kids and accept all the demands and the hit to their economy will be real and the hit to their ego will be massive...
...But the alternatives (trying to build an alternate system or maybe going back to the EU) neither of those are long-term solutions that are very functional, so really what we're doing is going through the paces until the Brits admit the obvious, and when that happens Britain will lose the thing that it values the most: its freedom to act, its agency. It will become a subsidiary of the American system for Better or For Worse and while that will be horrible for the British mindset it is the best game in town from both an economic and a security point of view and in time I have no doubt that that is where the Brits will end up, so stiff upper lip...
I'm not sure I share all this guy's analysis, but I do share his conclusion. The only real alternative to the UK being part of the EU is being much more closely aligned with the US, perhaps even as the 51st or 51st-53rd states.
And that’s why the right pushed so hard for Brexit, and told their fantastical lies to make it happen. They would rather have a small state, low tax, highly unequal UK, with a crumbling public realm and services, rather than EU-style worker protections, environmental protections, etc, etc, etc.
So they whipped up an immigration panic and promised unicorns for all to get just enough people to shoot themselves in the foot.
The idea that EU regulation resulted in higher consumer prices - a shibboleth of Euroscepticism since the early 90s - turned out to be total junk as well.
Witness food prices.
And yet we still get squealing and whining that farmers may face competition from the likes of Australia and New Zealand.
You can't have it both ways.
Why isn't affordable Aussie and Kiwi good enough for us without any tariffs?
The net impact so far is that prices are up (even net of the broader inflation issues), and choice is down. It’s possible, though I defer to Nick Palmer, that welfare standards are expected to decline too.
I'd like to see any evidence whatsoever that prices are up in the UK compared to other countries net of broader inflation issues. Or that choice is down similarly.
Food inflation has been seen across the globe, so I'm sceptical.
There's nothing wrong with animal welfare in New Zealand etc, I'd be quite delighted to see non-tariff barriers that are falsely portrayed as "welfare" issues to be abolished.
The UK has lower real food inflation than the Euro Area.
Um: stupid question: what's real inflation?
I know what prices are. Shoes used to cost £X I know what inflated prices are. Shoes now cost £2X I know what real prices are. Shoes in real terms cost £2X/(1+inflation rate) But I don't know what real inflation is. Can you give me an example?
The real inflation that X as opposed to Y else now costs more than it would have in real currency.
A prime example would be houses. House price inflation has outstripped inflation for decades, so houses now cost more in real terms than they would.
While a counter-example of real deflation is often technology goods. If you would spend £1000 in 2000 on a computer, but could get one for about £300 today, in real terms that's declined in cost by much more than 70% because £1000 in 2000 money is more than £1000 today.
Indeed. And we're all told inflation has been low for the past two decades, because the price of flatscreen tellys and fast fashion has cratered. Meanwhile, the cost of keeping a roof over your head has skyrocketed to the point where absolutely nobody feels any richer despite every home having a massive flatscreen telly. See also: energy prices, childcare prices, almost all the basics you actually need to live a half decent life, etc.
Olive oil.
Grated parmesan
How about ungrated parmesan? Has inflation been for the grater good?
Life is too short to grate your own parmesan
That's like saying life is too short to not use instant coffee.
Many of the gastroidiots on here think that.
I've recently bought some rather nice coffee mugs from Loveramics.
Sizes: flat white, cappuccino and latte.
I have an excellent espresso machine - wouldn't touch instant now.
I've acquired a taste for oat milk in coffee (50/50 with cows').
Irrational pet hate - oat milk. Milk comes from mammals. Oat milk is not a milk, its a massively processed grain.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
Maybe it was a common complaint that the Overground was hard to use, I haven’t used it much in years, but when I did, before it was branded the overground, it didn’t seem that difficult. The Suffragette line was called the North London Line for instance, easy enough
I seem to recall a report that the Overground was under utilised (in part) - that if more people were aware of the routing options, rather than just using the Underground, this would effectively increase the capacity of the system. And shorten journeys.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
The issue is that the names don’t have an easy way to remember them.
I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
What's negative about the new names? Unless yhou think votes for women are bad, and you can't possibly mean that. Liberty is nice and historical, so are some of the others.
“Windrush” recalls when Amber Rudd resigned over a scandal, “Sufragettes” recalls a load of protestors, “Lioness” is for a *women’s* football team, rather than the 1966 squad.
I stand by my original comment that it’s deliberately antagonistic. Stick with “Elizabeth Line” and similar, that have no political connotations.
Also, it will date very badly.
All of those really reflect the contemporary politics of the last few years.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
The issue is that the names don’t have an easy way to remember them.
I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
You could call them lines 1, 2, 3... like undergrounds in most cities.
Oddly, SFAICS, this survey asks whether Israel should call a ceasefire but not whether Hamas should.
BTW 15% of 18-24 think the massacre of 1000 men women and children by Hamas in October was 'justified'.
That last statistic is shocking.
The reality is that a ceasefire could have been immediately facilitated early in the Israeli military action by Hamas (designated a terrorist organisation by everyone with a brain) could have released all hostages.
They still have the hostages in spite of all the deaths. They do not care about ordinary Palestinians. They probably are pleased the more of them that die.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
The issue is that the names don’t have an easy way to remember them.
I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
That's familiarity, though. Same way that people of a certain age came to know that Granadaland was the north of England.
And the nature of the Overground (most of which does trundle from one fairly anonymous bit of Landon to another) makes it trickier still.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
The issue is that the names don’t have an easy way to remember them.
I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
You could call them lines 1, 2, 3... like undergrounds in most cities.
Hard to remember them
And too utilitarian. It’s like wanting a republic just because
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
The issue is that the names don’t have an easy way to remember them.
I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
You could call them lines 1, 2, 3... like undergrounds in most cities.
Most cities! @FF43, I'll remind you that this is London!
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
What's negative about the new names? Unless yhou think votes for women are bad, and you can't possibly mean that. Liberty is nice and historical, so are some of the others.
“Windrush” recalls when Amber Rudd resigned over a scandal, “Sufragettes” recalls a load of protestors, “Lioness” is for a *women’s* football team, rather than the 1966 squad.
I stand by my original comment that it’s deliberately antagonistic. Stick with “Elizabeth Line” and similar, that have no political connotations.
Also, it will date very badly.
All of those really reflect the contemporary politics of the last few years.
Yes, but nobody fecking cares. For most, the Jubilee Line is just a name, Circle is not a circle and the Northern Line also goes south. They are simple labels that go with colours.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
Maybe it was a common complaint that the Overground was hard to use, I haven’t used it much in years, but when I did, before it was branded the overground, it didn’t seem that difficult. The Suffragette line was called the North London Line for instance, easy enough
The names are shit TBF, but the colour coding makes sense. They are six separate lines after all - no idea why anyone thought it was a good idea making them all orange in the first place TBH!
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
Maybe it was a common complaint that the Overground was hard to use, I haven’t used it much in years, but when I did, before it was branded the overground, it didn’t seem that difficult. The Suffragette line was called the North London Line for instance, easy enough
I seem to recall a report that the Overground was under utilised (in part) - that if more people were aware of the routing options, rather than just using the Underground, this would effectively increase the capacity of the system. And shorten journeys.
Yes, never underestimate public unawareness. There was a known phenomenon that house prices in Chingford went up when it first appeared on the tube map (when that line was effectively nationalised to TfL)
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
Maybe it was a common complaint that the Overground was hard to use, I haven’t used it much in years, but when I did, before it was branded the overground, it didn’t seem that difficult. The Suffragette line was called the North London Line for instance, easy enough
The names are shit TBF, but the colour coding makes sense. They are six separate lines after all - no idea why anyone thought it was a good idea making them all orange in the first place TBH!
From London Reconnections;
“But I thought it was all going to be orange.”
These were the words that ensured that the London Overground, which had launched in 2007, would stay a single colour – orange – on the Tube map. They were uttered by then-Mayor Boris Johnson in his office at City Hall.
TfL’s original plan had been to give the lines more of an identity somehow as the Overground network grew. Perhaps not in name – not in the early stages when there were less sections directly under their concessionary control – but at least in terms of colour...
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
It may well be true given that new maps and station branding will be needed across the network, although it is likely some of that money will need to have been spent anyway.
In Rainham, Essex there was a notorious council estate called The Mardyke, and when it was knocked down, the streets that replaced it had names like that
There are plenty of people who think precisely like this.
We have a couple of Harry Potter inspired street names near us, as our part of the town was built at the height of the books' popularity. Later sections are named after airplanes and manufacturers, as they're nearer the old Bourn airfield. Vickers way, York Road, Spitfire Road, Fairey Close, Blackbird Road etc.
Better names and themes than Khan's monstrosities...
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
The names are naff, but which are negative? They're all positive.
What really annoys me is the changing of old names to sanitise them. There's such stuff as Titmouse and Gropecunt Lanes in Oxford, which I suppose needed i t, but the incomers mocing to Trotter Haugh in Edinburgh whined about it some years back. Yet Trotter wass an important local l andowner and a haugh a flat riverside piece of land. They wanted it changed but the street name is still there. Ignoran t folk - all they could think about was Del Boy & co.
Sorry mods - please censor the text. Completely overlooked it in a compound word. Apologies.
Arron Banks going all Corbynite, and agreeing with what Sir Keir used to think
Yes, maybe it’s more complicated than the Guardian’s headline, but British Gas profits increasing £72m to £751m whilst we are being told that unfortunately we have to pay higher bills seems like Gaslighting
The shock of it, gas prices double, but then reduce but everybody continues to pay the higher rate. Meanwhile, British Gas make a fortune. Any monopoly business should be in public hands, water, gas, electricity etc
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
What's negative about the new names? Unless yhou think votes for women are bad, and you can't possibly mean that. Liberty is nice and historical, so are some of the others.
“Windrush” recalls when Amber Rudd resigned over a scandal, “Sufragettes” recalls a load of protestors, “Lioness” is for a *women’s* football team, rather than the 1966 squad.
I stand by my original comment that it’s deliberately antagonistic. Stick with “Elizabeth Line” and similar, that have no political connotations.
Also, it will date very badly.
All of those really reflect the contemporary politics of the last few years.
Yes, but nobody fecking cares. For most, the Jubilee Line is just a name, Circle is not a circle and the Northern Line also goes south. They are simple labels that go with colours.
The Jubilee Line was originally going to be called the Fleet Line, until it was changed in 1987 in a rush of monarchist enthusiasm.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
The issue is that the names don’t have an easy way to remember them.
I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
You could call them lines 1, 2, 3... like undergrounds in most cities.
Hard to remember them
And too utilitarian. It’s like wanting a republic just because
Very quick survey of underground railways elsewhere I only found Tokyo using names, I am sure there are others, but I find plenty using numbers, or letters in the case of New York. There's probably a reason for this. Maybe because of interchanges with other transport such as buses that also have numbers. Interchanging with other modes of transport doesn't seem to be a big thing for the Tube.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
The issue is that the names don’t have an easy way to remember them.
I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
If the Liberty Line doesn't go down Regent Street it will be completely useless.
...Now when the Johnson Administration in Britain came over to talk to Donald Trump's Administration about a trade deal and they found out what the conditions would be they walked away. And then the next government came in and did the same thing and walked away (or was it Teresa May?). Anyway there were two back-to-back and so the Brits right now are in this nether world where they kind of quietly admit to themselves that, in order to find a future that has some degree of economic functionality, they have to get into bed with their kids and accept all the demands and the hit to their economy will be real and the hit to their ego will be massive...
...But the alternatives (trying to build an alternate system or maybe going back to the EU) neither of those are long-term solutions that are very functional, so really what we're doing is going through the paces until the Brits admit the obvious, and when that happens Britain will lose the thing that it values the most: its freedom to act, its agency. It will become a subsidiary of the American system for Better or For Worse and while that will be horrible for the British mindset it is the best game in town from both an economic and a security point of view and in time I have no doubt that that is where the Brits will end up, so stiff upper lip...
I'm not sure I share all this guy's analysis, but I do share his conclusion. The only real alternative to the UK being part of the EU is being much more closely aligned with the US, perhaps even as the 51st or 51st-53rd states.
And that’s why the right pushed so hard for Brexit, and told their fantastical lies to make it happen. They would rather have a small state, low tax, highly unequal UK, with a crumbling public realm and services, rather than EU-style worker protections, environmental protections, etc, etc, etc.
So they whipped up an immigration panic and promised unicorns for all to get just enough people to shoot themselves in the foot.
The idea that EU regulation resulted in higher consumer prices - a shibboleth of Euroscepticism since the early 90s - turned out to be total junk as well.
Witness food prices.
And yet we still get squealing and whining that farmers may face competition from the likes of Australia and New Zealand.
You can't have it both ways.
Why isn't affordable Aussie and Kiwi good enough for us without any tariffs?
The net impact so far is that prices are up (even net of the broader inflation issues), and choice is down. It’s possible, though I defer to Nick Palmer, that welfare standards are expected to decline too.
I'd like to see any evidence whatsoever that prices are up in the UK compared to other countries net of broader inflation issues. Or that choice is down similarly.
Food inflation has been seen across the globe, so I'm sceptical.
There's nothing wrong with animal welfare in New Zealand etc, I'd be quite delighted to see non-tariff barriers that are falsely portrayed as "welfare" issues to be abolished.
The UK has lower real food inflation than the Euro Area.
Um: stupid question: what's real inflation?
I know what prices are. Shoes used to cost £X I know what inflated prices are. Shoes now cost £2X I know what real prices are. Shoes in real terms cost £2X/(1+inflation rate) But I don't know what real inflation is. Can you give me an example?
The real inflation that X as opposed to Y else now costs more than it would have in real currency.
A prime example would be houses. House price inflation has outstripped inflation for decades, so houses now cost more in real terms than they would.
While a counter-example of real deflation is often technology goods. If you would spend £1000 in 2000 on a computer, but could get one for about £300 today, in real terms that's declined in cost by much more than 70% because £1000 in 2000 money is more than £1000 today.
Indeed. And we're all told inflation has been low for the past two decades, because the price of flatscreen tellys and fast fashion has cratered. Meanwhile, the cost of keeping a roof over your head has skyrocketed to the point where absolutely nobody feels any richer despite every home having a massive flatscreen telly. See also: energy prices, childcare prices, almost all the basics you actually need to live a half decent life, etc.
Olive oil.
Grated parmesan
How about ungrated parmesan? Has inflation been for the grater good?
Life is too short to grate your own parmesan
No, no. It's a genius play on words, you see. Ungrated parmesan is a grater good, as it requires a grater, unlike grated parmesan, which is a non-grater good. So the question compares the inflation of the grater good versus the non-grater good. While also being a pun on 'greater good'. It's a whole smorgasbord of wit, right there.
Sometimes I think I'm wasted here On the other hand, all the best jokes need explaining, don't they? Don't they?!
Naming a railway line after the Lionesses is a bit previous in my view. When they have a disastrous tournament, as sporting teams invariably do, it'll give a weapon of mockery to their gleeful detractors. (The sporting Anglophobes still bang on about the Ashes MBEs to this day.)
“Keir Starmer and Labour have put this country into Recession! People have looked at the polls, and fearing a socialist government is coming have stopped investing knowing they won’t get their money back.” - MoonRabbits mum
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
The issue is that the names don’t have an easy way to remember them.
I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
If the Liberty Line doesn't go down Regent Street it will be completely useless.
It should run from Merton (where the fabric printing works was) to Regent's Street.
...Now when the Johnson Administration in Britain came over to talk to Donald Trump's Administration about a trade deal and they found out what the conditions would be they walked away. And then the next government came in and did the same thing and walked away (or was it Teresa May?). Anyway there were two back-to-back and so the Brits right now are in this nether world where they kind of quietly admit to themselves that, in order to find a future that has some degree of economic functionality, they have to get into bed with their kids and accept all the demands and the hit to their economy will be real and the hit to their ego will be massive...
...But the alternatives (trying to build an alternate system or maybe going back to the EU) neither of those are long-term solutions that are very functional, so really what we're doing is going through the paces until the Brits admit the obvious, and when that happens Britain will lose the thing that it values the most: its freedom to act, its agency. It will become a subsidiary of the American system for Better or For Worse and while that will be horrible for the British mindset it is the best game in town from both an economic and a security point of view and in time I have no doubt that that is where the Brits will end up, so stiff upper lip...
I'm not sure I share all this guy's analysis, but I do share his conclusion. The only real alternative to the UK being part of the EU is being much more closely aligned with the US, perhaps even as the 51st or 51st-53rd states.
And that’s why the right pushed so hard for Brexit, and told their fantastical lies to make it happen. They would rather have a small state, low tax, highly unequal UK, with a crumbling public realm and services, rather than EU-style worker protections, environmental protections, etc, etc, etc.
So they whipped up an immigration panic and promised unicorns for all to get just enough people to shoot themselves in the foot.
The idea that EU regulation resulted in higher consumer prices - a shibboleth of Euroscepticism since the early 90s - turned out to be total junk as well.
Witness food prices.
And yet we still get squealing and whining that farmers may face competition from the likes of Australia and New Zealand.
You can't have it both ways.
Why isn't affordable Aussie and Kiwi good enough for us without any tariffs?
The net impact so far is that prices are up (even net of the broader inflation issues), and choice is down. It’s possible, though I defer to Nick Palmer, that welfare standards are expected to decline too.
I'd like to see any evidence whatsoever that prices are up in the UK compared to other countries net of broader inflation issues. Or that choice is down similarly.
Food inflation has been seen across the globe, so I'm sceptical.
There's nothing wrong with animal welfare in New Zealand etc, I'd be quite delighted to see non-tariff barriers that are falsely portrayed as "welfare" issues to be abolished.
The UK has lower real food inflation than the Euro Area.
Um: stupid question: what's real inflation?
I know what prices are. Shoes used to cost £X I know what inflated prices are. Shoes now cost £2X I know what real prices are. Shoes in real terms cost £2X/(1+inflation rate) But I don't know what real inflation is. Can you give me an example?
The real inflation that X as opposed to Y else now costs more than it would have in real currency.
A prime example would be houses. House price inflation has outstripped inflation for decades, so houses now cost more in real terms than they would.
While a counter-example of real deflation is often technology goods. If you would spend £1000 in 2000 on a computer, but could get one for about £300 today, in real terms that's declined in cost by much more than 70% because £1000 in 2000 money is more than £1000 today.
Indeed. And we're all told inflation has been low for the past two decades, because the price of flatscreen tellys and fast fashion has cratered. Meanwhile, the cost of keeping a roof over your head has skyrocketed to the point where absolutely nobody feels any richer despite every home having a massive flatscreen telly. See also: energy prices, childcare prices, almost all the basics you actually need to live a half decent life, etc.
Olive oil.
Grated parmesan
How about ungrated parmesan? Has inflation been for the grater good?
Life is too short to grate your own parmesan
That's like saying life is too short to not use instant coffee.
Many of the gastroidiots on here think that.
I've recently bought some rather nice coffee mugs from Loveramics.
Sizes: flat white, cappuccino and latte.
I have an excellent espresso machine - wouldn't touch instant now.
I've acquired a taste for oat milk in coffee (50/50 with cows').
Irrational pet hate - oat milk. Milk comes from mammals. Oat milk is not a milk, its a massively processed grain.
In many countries “milk” is a protected term, and there’s been lots of arguments about it. Same with “meat”.
Talking of protected terms, the other day there was a report on the world service about Chinese Whiskey/Whisky production and how the big drinks brands were really building up production in China and it was killing some very strong Chinese Whisky/ey. They were talking to someone who ran “Maison de Whiskey” which was one of the big drinks company’s specialist whisky/ey chains - like us opening “House of Champagne” around the world but a different issue.
My point is I don’t know why Whiskey and Whisky aren’t protected produce names as Champagne is. Surely it should have been done and is it too late to make this so?
Naming a railway line after the Lionesses is a bit previous in my view. When they have a disastrous tournament, as sporting teams invariably do, it'll give a weapon of mockery to their gleeful detractors. (The sporting Anglophobes still bang on about the Ashes MBEs to this day.)
They missed a trick by not combining celebrating London as a global music hub with an icon of feminism and women in Music, Madonna. They could have referenced her peak image, when she was looking her best, and called it the Cones Hot Line.
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
What's negative about the new names? Unless yhou think votes for women are bad, and you can't possibly mean that. Liberty is nice and historical, so are some of the others.
“Windrush” recalls when Amber Rudd resigned over a scandal, “Sufragettes” recalls a load of protestors, “Lioness” is for a *women’s* football team, rather than the 1966 squad.
I stand by my original comment that it’s deliberately antagonistic. Stick with “Elizabeth Line” and similar, that have no political connotations.
Also, it will date very badly.
All of those really reflect the contemporary politics of the last few years.
Yes, but nobody fecking cares. For most, the Jubilee Line is just a name, Circle is not the circle Northern Line also goes south. They are simple labels that go with colours.
Perhaps, you'd have to be pretty obsessive to get properly worked up by a tube line name, but, if you listen to general feedback from BBC radio a few people sort of sighed at it - nice idea but it'd be better if they did something for the communities rather than just ticked the box, some thought the names gimmicky, others confusing, some liked the fact names were there but weren't really sure they were relevant.
I think they're facile, banal and very Sadiq Khan - and his massive ego - and I hope a few of them will be renamed in years to come.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
It may well be true given that new maps and station branding will be needed across the network, although it is likely some of that money will need to have been spent anyway.
In response to a 2013 FoI request, TFL estimated the cost of renaming a single tube station serving 3 lines as being £1.95 million. The largest single component was 'In station signage replacement', estimated at £500k
This change affects 6 lines, covering 112 stations. £6.3m sounds quite realistic to me, especially considering inflation since then.
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
What's negative about the new names? Unless yhou think votes for women are bad, and you can't possibly mean that. Liberty is nice and historical, so are some of the others.
“Windrush” recalls when Amber Rudd resigned over a scandal, “Sufragettes” recalls a load of protestors, “Lioness” is for a *women’s* football team, rather than the 1966 squad.
I stand by my original comment that it’s deliberately antagonistic. Stick with “Elizabeth Line” and similar, that have no political connotations.
Also, it will date very badly.
All of those really reflect the contemporary politics of the last few years.
Yes, but nobody fecking cares. For most, the Jubilee Line is just a name, Circle is not a circle and the Northern Line also goes south. They are simple labels that go with colours.
The Jubilee Line was originally going to be called the Fleet Line, until it was changed in 1987 in a rush of monarchist enthusiasm.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
Maybe it was a common complaint that the Overground was hard to use, I haven’t used it much in years, but when I did, before it was branded the overground, it didn’t seem that difficult. The Suffragette line was called the North London Line for instance, easy enough
I seem to recall a report that the Overground was under utilised (in part) - that if more people were aware of the routing options, rather than just using the Underground, this would effectively increase the capacity of the system. And shorten journeys.
Nowadays it’s very heavily used, such that delays or cancellations can lead to serious overcrowding.
The days of the old North London Line, when a few intrepid adventurers used to pitch up at Stratford with their sleeping bags, eye masks, ear plugs, emergency rations and change of underwear, ready to endure the long, slow journey across north London and hope to reach the distant oasis of Richmond before their supplies ran out, or else be fleeced by a platform hawker selling local food from the platform at Willesden Junction, are a distant memory for those of us who once successfully completed that journey-of-a-lifetime.
Arron Banks going all Corbynite, and agreeing with what Sir Keir used to think
Yes, maybe it’s more complicated than the Guardian’s headline, but British Gas profits increasing £72m to £751m whilst we are being told that unfortunately we have to pay higher bills seems like Gaslighting
The shock of it, gas prices double, but then reduce but everybody continues to pay the higher rate. Meanwhile, British Gas make a fortune. Any monopoly business should be in public hands, water, gas, electricity etc
“Keir Starmer and Labour have put this country into Recession! People have looked at the polls, and fearing a socialist government is coming have stopped investing knowing they won’t get their money back.” - MoonRabbits mum
Lolz. Well done on your Greengate call by the way: a poll yesterday shows you got that right despite the flames from many on here.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
The issue is that the names don’t have an easy way to remember them.
I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
Yes. I posted on the earlier thread that I thought there were a few aspects of the names chosen that makes them poor from a usability point of view - but that doesn't affect the cost, unless someone decides to rename them with better names later on.
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
What's negative about the new names? Unless yhou think votes for women are bad, and you can't possibly mean that. Liberty is nice and historical, so are some of the others.
“Windrush” recalls when Amber Rudd resigned over a scandal, “Sufragettes” recalls a load of protestors, “Lioness” is for a *women’s* football team, rather than the 1966 squad.
I stand by my original comment that it’s deliberately antagonistic. Stick with “Elizabeth Line” and similar, that have no political connotations.
Also, it will date very badly.
All of those really reflect the contemporary politics of the last few years.
Yes, but nobody fecking cares. For most, the Jubilee Line is just a name, Circle is not a circle and the Northern Line also goes south. They are simple labels that go with colours.
The Jubilee Line was originally going to be called the Fleet Line, until it was changed in 1987 in a rush of monarchist enthusiasm.
“Keir Starmer and Labour have put this country into Recession! People have looked at the polls, and fearing a socialist government is coming have stopped investing knowing they won’t get their money back.” - MoonRabbits mum
Great Victorians Sir Brian Bakerloo, Viscount District and Lord Central are going to be cancelled soon. The less said about notorious raconteurs Hammersmith and City, the better.
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
The issue is that the names don’t have an easy way to remember them.
I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
Errr:
Doesn't the Northern Line run North too. Or don't Colindale or High Barnet or Edgware count?
If we wanted to raise money for an appropriate charity - as per @Malmesbury's suggestion - we could arrange a social event, with a fiendishly difficult politics quiz / raffle etc. A way of meeting up as well as raising money and if Mike were able/willing to attend, that would also be nice.
Arron Banks going all Corbynite, and agreeing with what Sir Keir used to think
Yes, maybe it’s more complicated than the Guardian’s headline, but British Gas profits increasing £72m to £751m whilst we are being told that unfortunately we have to pay higher bills seems like Gaslighting
The shock of it, gas prices double, but then reduce but everybody continues to pay the higher rate. Meanwhile, British Gas make a fortune. Any monopoly business should be in public hands, water, gas, electricity etc
Fair play to him. Not Corbynite to think that. Many centrists and indeed rightwingers also think that!
I agree, yes. I agreed with quite a lot of what Corbyn proposed really, most people agree with a broad range of politicians, esp if they aren’t told which colour rosette they wear
“Keir Starmer and Labour have put this country into Recession! People have looked at the polls, and fearing a socialist government is coming have stopped investing knowing they won’t get their money back.” - MoonRabbits mum
In which case the solution is simples. Vote in the Labour Govt, then all the investors will pile back in due to the certainty of a returning Cons govt in 2029!
Naming a railway line after the Lionesses is a bit previous in my view. When they have a disastrous tournament, as sporting teams invariably do, it'll give a weapon of mockery to their gleeful detractors. (The sporting Anglophobes still bang on about the Ashes MBEs to this day.)
naming transport lines after sporting teams is a bit chav imho
Oddly, SFAICS, this survey asks whether Israel should call a ceasefire but not whether Hamas should.
BTW 15% of 18-24 think the massacre of 1000 men women and children by Hamas in October was 'justified'.
That last statistic is shocking.
The reality is that a ceasefire could have been immediately facilitated early in the Israeli military action by Hamas (designated a terrorist organisation by everyone with a brain) could have released all hostages.
They still have the hostages in spite of all the deaths. They do not care about ordinary Palestinians. They probably are pleased the more of them that die.
Why isn't the recent ICJ decision referenced? The one which called on Hamas to immediately release all the remaining hostages - as well as asking Israel to refrain from doing various bad things. Indeed, why haven't any of the recent protests in London by pro-Palestinians demanded that Hamas abide by the ICJ's demands? Curious.
Naming a railway line after the Lionesses is a bit previous in my view. When they have a disastrous tournament, as sporting teams invariably do, it'll give a weapon of mockery to their gleeful detractors. (The sporting Anglophobes still bang on about the Ashes MBEs to this day.)
naming transport lines after sporting teams is a bit chav imho
Well, it keeps the patriots happy. Not as if they have modern equivalents of Waterloo. And naming KX for Boudicca's victory on the site is a bit iffy given what her lot did to London - not to mention the patrician Roman oligarchic ethos of the Brit upper classes at the relevasnt time.
Please don't be fooled into thinking there will be any form of socialism involved. It's more sort of a slightly less insane middle-class version of the Conservatives, with added sanctimony.
Whoops. The RefUK candidate for Wellingborough has been campaigning today in Irthlingborough, which is not part of the constituency. It's in the neighbouring Corby seat.
In Rainham, Essex there was a notorious council estate called The Mardyke, and when it was knocked down, the streets that replaced it had names like that
There are plenty of people who think precisely like this.
We have a couple of Harry Potter inspired street names near us, as our part of the town was built at the height of the books' popularity. Later sections are named after airplanes and manufacturers, as they're nearer the old Bourn airfield. Vickers way, York Road, Spitfire Road, Fairey Close, Blackbird Road etc.
Better names and themes than Khan's monstrosities...
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
The names are naff, but which are negative? They're all positive.
What really annoys me is the changing of old names to sanitise them. There's such stuff as Titmouse and Gropecunt Lanes in Oxford, which I suppose needed i t, but the incomers mocing to Trotter Haugh in Edinburgh whined about it some years back. Yet Trotter wass an important local l andowner and a haugh a flat riverside piece of land. They wanted it changed but the street name is still there. Ignoran t folk - all they could think about was Del Boy & co.
Portsmouth used to have Rat Lane, but it was changed to Norway Road.
In Rainham, Essex there was a notorious council estate called The Mardyke, and when it was knocked down, the streets that replaced it had names like that
There are plenty of people who think precisely like this.
We have a couple of Harry Potter inspired street names near us, as our part of the town was built at the height of the books' popularity. Later sections are named after airplanes and manufacturers, as they're nearer the old Bourn airfield. Vickers way, York Road, Spitfire Road, Fairey Close, Blackbird Road etc.
Better names and themes than Khan's monstrosities...
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
The names are naff, but which are negative? They're all positive.
What really annoys me is the changing of old names to sanitise them. There's such stuff as Titmouse and Gropecunt Lanes in Oxford, which I suppose needed i t, but the incomers mocing to Trotter Haugh in Edinburgh whined about it some years back. Yet Trotter wass an important local l andowner and a haugh a flat riverside piece of land. They wanted it changed but the street name is still there. Ignoran t folk - all they could think about was Del Boy & co.
Portsmouth used to have Rat Lane, but it was changed to Norway Road.
In Rainham, Essex there was a notorious council estate called The Mardyke, and when it was knocked down, the streets that replaced it had names like that
There are plenty of people who think precisely like this.
We have a couple of Harry Potter inspired street names near us, as our part of the town was built at the height of the books' popularity. Later sections are named after airplanes and manufacturers, as they're nearer the old Bourn airfield. Vickers way, York Road, Spitfire Road, Fairey Close, Blackbird Road etc.
Better names and themes than Khan's monstrosities...
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
The names are naff, but which are negative? They're all positive.
What really annoys me is the changing of old names to sanitise them. There's such stuff as Titmouse and Gropecunt Lanes in Oxford, which I suppose needed i t, but the incomers mocing to Trotter Haugh in Edinburgh whined about it some years back. Yet Trotter wass an important local l andowner and a haugh a flat riverside piece of land. They wanted it changed but the street name is still there. Ignoran t folk - all they could think about was Del Boy & co.
Portsmouth used to have Rat Lane, but it was changed to Norway Road.
Sanitary Lane in Manchester was renamed post war Anita Street (ie remove the s, r and y) to make it sound less like a dump
Naming a railway line after the Lionesses is a bit previous in my view. When they have a disastrous tournament, as sporting teams invariably do, it'll give a weapon of mockery to their gleeful detractors. (The sporting Anglophobes still bang on about the Ashes MBEs to this day.)
naming transport lines after sporting teams is a bit chav imho
It's also maybe a bit patronising. Let's find a token women's sports team, ah yes, Lionesses. Well done, girls!
In Rainham, Essex there was a notorious council estate called The Mardyke, and when it was knocked down, the streets that replaced it had names like that
There are plenty of people who think precisely like this.
We have a couple of Harry Potter inspired street names near us, as our part of the town was built at the height of the books' popularity. Later sections are named after airplanes and manufacturers, as they're nearer the old Bourn airfield. Vickers way, York Road, Spitfire Road, Fairey Close, Blackbird Road etc.
Better names and themes than Khan's monstrosities...
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
The names are naff, but which are negative? They're all positive.
What really annoys me is the changing of old names to sanitise them. There's such stuff as Titmouse and Gropecunt Lanes in Oxford, which I suppose needed i t, but the incomers mocing to Trotter Haugh in Edinburgh whined about it some years back. Yet Trotter wass an important local l andowner and a haugh a flat riverside piece of land. They wanted it changed but the street name is still there. Ignoran t folk - all they could think about was Del Boy & co.
Portsmouth used to have Rat Lane, but it was changed to Norway Road.
The Brown Rat’s scientific name is Rattus norvegicus.
Still trying to come to terms with the sad news about Mike.
My first post was on the first anniversary of the Site's formation. It has been a big part of my life ever since. For a decade or so it helped keep me solvent and it has always been a great source of fun and enlightenment. Over the years I got to know Mike well enough to make me wonder now whether it might be time for me to take my coat. To stay feels a bit like lingering at a party after the host has had to retire to bed unwell. He wouldn't mind, I'm sure, but somehow it doesn't feel right to keep posting away while OGH and My Good Friend is incapacitated.
I'll think it over but you'll understand if I go a bit quiet. If any of you have views on the matter that you'd like to share privately, you know where to find me.
Atb.
PtP
Stay, it gives Mike great joy that the site is still vibrant as we approach PB’s 20th birthday next month and 2024 is going to be the best year for political betting with potentially a presidential election and Uk general election within days of each other.
Whoops. The RefUK candidate for Wellingborough has been campaigning today in Irthlingborough, which is not part of the constituency. It's in the neighbouring Corby seat.
In Rainham, Essex there was a notorious council estate called The Mardyke, and when it was knocked down, the streets that replaced it had names like that
There are plenty of people who think precisely like this.
We have a couple of Harry Potter inspired street names near us, as our part of the town was built at the height of the books' popularity. Later sections are named after airplanes and manufacturers, as they're nearer the old Bourn airfield. Vickers way, York Road, Spitfire Road, Fairey Close, Blackbird Road etc.
Better names and themes than Khan's monstrosities...
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
The names are naff, but which are negative? They're all positive.
What really annoys me is the changing of old names to sanitise them. There's such stuff as Titmouse and Gropecunt Lanes in Oxford, which I suppose needed i t, but the incomers mocing to Trotter Haugh in Edinburgh whined about it some years back. Yet Trotter wass an important local l andowner and a haugh a flat riverside piece of land. They wanted it changed but the street name is still there. Ignoran t folk - all they could think about was Del Boy & co.
Portsmouth used to have Rat Lane, but it was changed to Norway Road.
The Brown Rat’s scientific name is Rattus norvegicus.
Please don't be fooled into thinking there will be any form of socialism involved. It's more sort of a slightly less insane middle-class version of the Conservatives, with added sanctimony.
2) Should I use Wordpress' in house system or is there a better one I could go for?
Any advice gratefully received.
How are you going to do the email? Via Google?
That's one of the things I hadn't yet decided. Wordpress offer their in-house or a Google Workspace option. The latter is more expensive. At the moment I'm using an Outlook email.
“Keir Starmer and Labour have put this country into Recession! People have looked at the polls, and fearing a socialist government is coming have stopped investing knowing they won’t get their money back.” - MoonRabbits mum
If we wanted to raise money for an appropriate charity - as per @Malmesbury's suggestion - we could arrange a social event, with a fiendishly difficult politics quiz / raffle etc. A way of meeting up as well as raising money and if Mike were able/willing to attend, that would also be nice.
An idea, anyway.
Bike Ride seems PB relevant?
PB book of recipes probably already exists in the posts?
Just three per cent of voters believe Sir Keir Starmer has successfully tackled antisemitism within Labour, a new poll for The Times suggests today.
The YouGov survey found that almost a quarter of voters (23 per cent) think Starmer has “failed to tackle” antisemitism in the party after being forced to suspend two Labour candidates over the issue this week.
A further 26 per cent of voters said he had made “progress” although there was still work to do.
However, the poll found that despite a week of damaging headlines about how Starmer dealt with antisemitic views expressed by Labour’s candidate in Rochdale, more voters believe he handled the affair well rather than badly.
Among those currently intending to vote Labour, Starmer is rated better, with 44 per cent saying he handled the issue well, against 17 per cent saying badly...
..In total 29 per cent say Starmer handled the Rochdale allegations well against 27 per cent who were dissatisfied and 45 per cent who did not know.
Labour’s poll lead has narrowed a little in the wake of the affair, although not by enough to be certain whether the Rochdale affair has cost the party support.
Overall Labour has dropped two points since last week’s poll while the Tories have risen three points. YouGov found Labour was on 44 per cent support — 20 points ahead of the Tories on 24 per cent.
However, in a sign that doubts remain about Labour and their leader only 29 per cent of people believe his has made Labour more fit for government compared with 38 per cent who say he has made no difference. Thirteen per cent — including 9 per cent who say they intend to vote for the party — think he has made Labour less fit for government.
Starmer’s own personal ratings remain poor for a party so far ahead, with 46 per cent saying he is doing badly as Labour leader, against 34 per cent doing well. However, these are largely unchanged from January suggesting that the Rochdale scandal has so far had limited impact.
In a sign that voter inattention may be helping Labour, only 9 per cent of voters say they have heard a lot about the party’s problems in Rochdale. A further 32 per cent have heard a fair amount about the issue, but 59 per cent say they have heard not much or nothing at all about it.
2) Should I use Wordpress' in house system or is there a better one I could go for?
Any advice gratefully received.
Whoever's hosting your Wordpress setup on your web domain should normally provide email on the same domain. You can manage the email accounts through something like CPanel, which is provided by your hosting company.
“Keir Starmer and Labour have put this country into Recession! People have looked at the polls, and fearing a socialist government is coming have stopped investing knowing they won’t get their money back.” - MoonRabbits mum
Lolz. Well done on your Greengate call by the way: a poll yesterday shows you got that right despite the flames from many on here.
Blue Star (Romford to Upminster) Orient (Gospel Oak to Barking) British India (Euston to Watford) Belgian Marine (Liverpool Street to Enfield) Holland-Afrika (Highbury to Clapham/Crystal Palace) Brocklebank (Stratford to Richmond/Clapham)
It was funny to read posts, and headers, telling us with technical recession news today, means it defo can’t be a May General Election. 😏
It’s the other way around actually, as you are now conceding bad news as campaign backdrop will decide the election date, called when there is less bad news as backdrop - that’s exactly how I have been asking you to consider it for months! My argument for May is founded on the understanding the worse backdrop for election is backloaded into the second half of the year, June onwards. Today’s announcement changes nothing in this regard. In fact, now we know what the high interest rate “inflation medicine” is doing, how long does it take for the medicine to work out system - how much and how quickly must rates be cut for growth to return?
So, Picture this. todays bad news on recession + more near zero or negative growth in some or all of the 2024 quarters announced before polling day AND on top of that ADD Expected surge in illegal channel crossings during summer and autumn Damning interim covid report publication before GE Ongoing mortgage crisis as key voters switch to higher mortgage bills Credibility and morale shattering set of locals in May (kills a June election) Opposition fun with “squatting” and “frit” narrative, analysis shows clinging on cost John Major votes Giving voters even more time and evidence to realise things ain’t getting better Another disaster “fag end conference” for Tories before election while conceding opponents a conference to launch their campaign from
The bad vibe from today - how many months in a row can Hunt tell us “the economy has turned a corner” - PLUS all this extra?
The rebranding of the London Overground is reported to have cost £6.3m. Is this true? If so it seems ludicrous really. Same goes for any Tory rebranding that costs a lot of public money, before we get too deep into whataboutery. Governments and councils always plead poverty, but find the money for stuff that no one really cares about
There are a lot of signs that will need changing.
Leaving side the specific names chosen, having distinct identities for the separate lines should make using the network easier, so it's probably worth the expense.
Maybe it was a common complaint that the Overground was hard to use, I haven’t used it much in years, but when I did, before it was branded the overground, it didn’t seem that difficult. The Suffragette line was called the North London Line for instance, easy enough
I seem to recall a report that the Overground was under utilised (in part) - that if more people were aware of the routing options, rather than just using the Underground, this would effectively increase the capacity of the system. And shorten journeys.
Yes, never underestimate public unawareness. There was a known phenomenon that house prices in Chingford went up when it first appeared on the tube map (when that line was effectively nationalised to TfL)
That wasn't just the Chingford strangler, Norman Tebbit, then ?
Just three per cent of voters believe Sir Keir Starmer has successfully tackled antisemitism within Labour, a new poll for The Times suggests today.
The YouGov survey found that almost a quarter of voters (23 per cent) think Starmer has “failed to tackle” antisemitism in the party after being forced to suspend two Labour candidates over the issue this week.
A further 26 per cent of voters said he had made “progress” although there was still work to do.
However, the poll found that despite a week of damaging headlines about how Starmer dealt with antisemitic views expressed by Labour’s candidate in Rochdale, more voters believe he handled the affair well rather than badly.
Among those currently intending to vote Labour, Starmer is rated better, with 44 per cent saying he handled the issue well, against 17 per cent saying badly...
..In total 29 per cent say Starmer handled the Rochdale allegations well against 27 per cent who were dissatisfied and 45 per cent who did not know.
Labour’s poll lead has narrowed a little in the wake of the affair, although not by enough to be certain whether the Rochdale affair has cost the party support.
Overall Labour has dropped two points since last week’s poll while the Tories have risen three points. YouGov found Labour was on 44 per cent support — 20 points ahead of the Tories on 24 per cent.
However, in a sign that doubts remain about Labour and their leader only 29 per cent of people believe his has made Labour more fit for government compared with 38 per cent who say he has made no difference. Thirteen per cent — including 9 per cent who say they intend to vote for the party — think he has made Labour less fit for government.
Starmer’s own personal ratings remain poor for a party so far ahead, with 46 per cent saying he is doing badly as Labour leader, against 34 per cent doing well. However, these are largely unchanged from January suggesting that the Rochdale scandal has so far had limited impact.
In a sign that voter inattention may be helping Labour, only 9 per cent of voters say they have heard a lot about the party’s problems in Rochdale. A further 32 per cent have heard a fair amount about the issue, but 59 per cent say they have heard not much or nothing at all about it.
@MikeSmithson was sad to read the previous thread just now.
I have long held the firm belief that no medical condition is irreversible, and that medical disorders are not 'a natural part of ageing', though of course some conditions tend to be found more in the elderly because of wear and tear.
In Germany they prescribe Ginko Biloba and Ginseng as a starting point for folk with dementia, and other supplements, helpful foods, therapies etc. can be reccommended following a more detailed diagnosis, which hopefully your doctor has given you. The NHS is all too prone to putting people on the scrap heap.
However you decide to tackle things going forward, I wish you a long, happy, fruitful life and I believe that's absolutely possible. Continued thanks for hosting the dysfunctional family that is PB.
Blue Star (Romford to Upminster) Orient (Gospel Oak to Barking) British India (Euston to Watford) Belgian Marine (Liverpool Street to Enfield) Holland-Afrika (Highbury to Clapham/Crystal Palace) Brocklebank (Stratford to Richmond/Clapham)
2) Should I use Wordpress' in house system or is there a better one I could go for?
Any advice gratefully received.
How are you going to do the email? Via Google?
That's one of the things I hadn't yet decided. Wordpress offer their in-house or a Google Workspace option. The latter is more expensive. At the moment I'm using an Outlook email.
I think Google Workspace/Gsuite would be more if you are planning an internal company email system where you need to manage employee accounts. My relatively limited experience is that it incurs an admin overhead so you probably want to satisfy yourself that you are getting the benefit of the extra features. There's nothing stopping you adding it later.
Workspace links into other Google apps so you may have a reason to use it if you have a company Google drive or do stuff in YouTube.
FPT point of order it's the Lioness line not the Lionesses line.
Which is slightly (but not much) better.
Unless you're trying to pronounce it after a skinful. Come to think of it "I'm just jumping on a Suffragette" is probably going to get some traction amongst the lairy friday night out crowd.
All in all the names have a vague "if Dave Spart ran a competition for the under 8s to name the lines, then miraculously picked the worst names out of a hat" feel to them.
The London plan comes across as typical Sadiq being Sadiq, and looking for the sort of names that will offend people who don’t like him, further cementing societal division.
If you’re going to give out random names then auction them off. Loads of cities, including mine, do this, the big money is for the destination and interchange stations, or companies buying the station nearest their own business.
I don’t think Khan goes out of his way to cause division. I just think he’s a bit of a twit. His instincts are just off. Kind of a leftist Sunak.
Perhaps, but, as someone who does disgreee with him on almost everything, it comes across as needlessly antagonistic. There’s plenty of London history that can be seen as positive for the city, rather than dwelling on negative history.
What's negative about the new names? Unless yhou think votes for women are bad, and you can't possibly mean that. Liberty is nice and historical, so are some of the others.
“Windrush” recalls when Amber Rudd resigned over a scandal, “Sufragettes” recalls a load of protestors, “Lioness” is for a *women’s* football team, rather than the 1966 squad.
I stand by my original comment that it’s deliberately antagonistic. Stick with “Elizabeth Line” and similar, that have no political connotations.
Also, it will date very badly.
All of those really reflect the contemporary politics of the last few years.
Yes, but nobody fecking cares. For most, the Jubilee Line is just a name, Circle is not a circle and the Northern Line also goes south. They are simple labels that go with colours.
The Jubilee Line was originally going to be called the Fleet Line, until it was changed in 1987 in a rush of monarchist enthusiasm.
As the Fleet was back in the day an open sewer, a felicitous change.
Blue Star (Romford to Upminster) Orient (Gospel Oak to Barking) British India (Euston to Watford) Belgian Marine (Liverpool Street to Enfield) Holland-Afrika (Highbury to Clapham/Crystal Palace) Brocklebank (Stratford to Richmond/Clapham)
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I know the circle line isn’t circular and the metropolitan line goes to Amersham, while the Northern Line heads south… but you kind of know where they are.
I couldn’t say where the Liberty Line or the Lioness Line are going.
But my favourite was always the TfL dream of the Chelsea-Hackney tube (aka the Burglar’s Line)
All of those really reflect the contemporary politics of the last few years.
The reality is that a ceasefire could have been immediately facilitated early in the Israeli military action by Hamas (designated a terrorist organisation by everyone with a brain) could have released all hostages.
They still have the hostages in spite of all the deaths. They do not care about ordinary Palestinians. They probably are pleased the more of them that die.
And the nature of the Overground (most of which does trundle from one fairly anonymous bit of Landon to another) makes it trickier still.
And too utilitarian. It’s like wanting a republic just because
“But I thought it was all going to be orange.”
These were the words that ensured that the London Overground, which had launched in 2007, would stay a single colour – orange – on the Tube map. They were uttered by then-Mayor Boris Johnson in his office at City Hall.
TfL’s original plan had been to give the lines more of an identity somehow as the Overground network grew. Perhaps not in name – not in the early stages when there were less sections directly under their concessionary control – but at least in terms of colour...
https://www.londonreconnections.com/2024/the-big-split-overground-line-names/
Yes, maybe it’s more complicated than the Guardian’s headline, but British Gas profits increasing £72m to £751m whilst we are being told that unfortunately we have to pay higher bills seems like Gaslighting
The shock of it, gas prices double, but then reduce but everybody continues to pay the higher rate. Meanwhile, British Gas make a fortune. Any monopoly business should be in public hands, water, gas, electricity etc
https://x.com/arron_banks/status/1758135918173802990?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Sometimes I think I'm wasted here
My point is I don’t know why Whiskey and Whisky aren’t protected produce names as Champagne is. Surely it should have been done and is it too late to make this so?
I think they're facile, banal and very Sadiq Khan - and his massive ego - and I hope a few of them will be renamed in years to come.
This change affects 6 lines, covering 112 stations. £6.3m sounds quite realistic to me, especially considering inflation since then.
https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/questions-mayor/find-an-answer/cost-changing-station-signage
The days of the old North London Line, when a few intrepid adventurers used to pitch up at Stratford with their sleeping bags, eye masks, ear plugs, emergency rations and change of underwear, ready to endure the long, slow journey across north London and hope to reach the distant oasis of Richmond before their supplies ran out, or else be fleeced by a platform hawker selling local food from the platform at Willesden Junction, are a distant memory for those of us who once successfully completed that journey-of-a-lifetime.
Kudos.
Sorry to hear about the bad news regarding Mike's health. Hope you can enjoy life to the fullest while you still can, OGH!
Doesn't the Northern Line run North too. Or don't Colindale or High Barnet or Edgware count?
I even had to sign a Naan Disclosure Agreement.
An idea, anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/15/london-overground-new-names-and-colours-for-six-lines-revealed
Horribly, this will be an improvement.
https://twitter.com/PrufrockUK/status/1758122175259615616
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/history/how-deadmans-hole-lane-name-23567045
So far, despite some decent efforts, we've all failed miserably.
The chat up Line
The pick up Line
Crossed the Line
Prison chow Line
The Jam Line
The allotment line
The Manhole Cover Line
The May Line
The Salisbury Line
The Wreath Line.
We've just added a rules update to that market regarding a possible January 2025 election
https://twitter.com/smarkets/status/1758142233960697891/photo/1
I have a domain name for the business website.
I have been thinking of adding email to it.
Two questions:
1) Is it worth it?
2) Should I use Wordpress' in house system or is there a better one I could go for?
Any advice gratefully received.
The Coke Line would have been great.
PB book of recipes probably already exists in the posts?
The YouGov survey found that almost a quarter of voters (23 per cent) think Starmer has “failed to tackle” antisemitism in the party after being forced to suspend two Labour candidates over the issue this week.
A further 26 per cent of voters said he had made “progress” although there was still work to do.
However, the poll found that despite a week of damaging headlines about how Starmer dealt with antisemitic views expressed by Labour’s candidate in Rochdale, more voters believe he handled the affair well rather than badly.
Among those currently intending to vote Labour, Starmer is rated better, with 44 per cent saying he handled the issue well, against 17 per cent saying badly...
..In total 29 per cent say Starmer handled the Rochdale allegations well against 27 per cent who were dissatisfied and 45 per cent who did not know.
Labour’s poll lead has narrowed a little in the wake of the affair, although not by enough to be certain whether the Rochdale affair has cost the party support.
Overall Labour has dropped two points since last week’s poll while the Tories have risen three points. YouGov found Labour was on 44 per cent support — 20 points ahead of the Tories on 24 per cent.
However, in a sign that doubts remain about Labour and their leader only 29 per cent of people believe his has made Labour more fit for government compared with 38 per cent who say he has made no difference. Thirteen per cent — including 9 per cent who say they intend to vote for the party — think he has made Labour less fit for government.
Starmer’s own personal ratings remain poor for a party so far ahead, with 46 per cent saying he is doing badly as Labour leader, against 34 per cent doing well. However, these are largely unchanged from January suggesting that the Rochdale scandal has so far had limited impact.
In a sign that voter inattention may be helping Labour, only 9 per cent of voters say they have heard a lot about the party’s problems in Rochdale. A further 32 per cent have heard a fair amount about the issue, but 59 per cent say they have heard not much or nothing at all about it.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/poll-labour-antisemitism-keir-starmer-rochdale-by-election-pfgkgbhws
Blue Star (Romford to Upminster)
Orient (Gospel Oak to Barking)
British India (Euston to Watford)
Belgian Marine (Liverpool Street to Enfield)
Holland-Afrika (Highbury to Clapham/Crystal Palace)
Brocklebank (Stratford to Richmond/Clapham)
It’s the other way around actually, as you are now conceding bad news as campaign backdrop will decide the election date, called when there is less bad news as backdrop - that’s exactly how I have been asking you to consider it for months!
My argument for May is founded on the understanding the worse backdrop for election is backloaded into the second half of the year, June onwards. Today’s announcement changes nothing in this regard. In fact, now we know what the high interest rate “inflation medicine” is doing, how long does it take for the medicine to work out system - how much and how quickly must rates be cut for growth to return?
So, Picture this.
todays bad news on recession + more near zero or negative growth in some or all of the 2024 quarters announced before polling day
AND on top of that ADD
Expected surge in illegal channel crossings during summer and autumn
Damning interim covid report publication before GE
Ongoing mortgage crisis as key voters switch to higher mortgage bills
Credibility and morale shattering set of locals in May (kills a June election)
Opposition fun with “squatting” and “frit” narrative, analysis shows clinging on cost John Major votes
Giving voters even more time and evidence to realise things ain’t getting better
Another disaster “fag end conference” for Tories before election while conceding opponents a conference to launch their campaign from
The bad vibe from today - how many months in a row can Hunt tell us “the economy has turned a corner” - PLUS all this extra?
It’s May 2nd. Nailed on.
I have long held the firm belief that no medical condition is irreversible, and that medical disorders are not 'a natural part of ageing', though of course some conditions tend to be found more in the elderly because of wear and tear.
In Germany they prescribe Ginko Biloba and Ginseng as a starting point for folk with dementia, and other supplements, helpful foods, therapies etc. can be reccommended following a more detailed diagnosis, which hopefully your doctor has given you. The NHS is all too prone to putting people on the scrap heap.
However you decide to tackle things going forward, I wish you a long, happy, fruitful life and I believe that's absolutely possible. Continued thanks for hosting the dysfunctional family that is PB.
https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/35025-brocklebank-line/
But British India Line can work on the mainline:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_Merchant_Navy_Class_35018_British_India_Line
Belgian Marine Line was scrapped. Unsure about the others.
Best wishes Mike. Stay strong.
You'll see even some of our liberal and leftwing posters have questioned a few of them.
Workspace links into other Google apps so you may have a reason to use it if you have a company Google drive or do stuff in YouTube.
We do have lines named after Walter Scott novels (Ivanhoe) or cycles of them (Waverley), so why not?