I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
There are three views on Rwanda type policies:
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now (2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there (3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
Is he right that Boris's Cabinet was the worst in history? He does think Rishi might turn it round btw.
Thanks. Heffer was interesting. But who was the young buck doing the interview? (He seemed as admiring of Hitler and Enoch Powell as he was critical of the Biden White House.)
Hitler?
Yes, Adolf was a keen and committed scholar of history apparently.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
He should have become Tory leader in 1997.
No. Too lazy and we'd probably have ended up in the Euro as a result.
I don't think that would have occurred, because Brown was always opposed.
What would have happened, though, is that 2001 would not have been a wasted election. Clarke would have meant the Labour majority was restricted to 100 or so, and would probably have limited - or even clawed back - the LibDem gains at the time.
It's not actually a new high for Wales, just one for R&W in Wales. The high is YouGov's Labour lead of 34% in Wales from Feb 23m, and indeed the Labour lead has been higher than 28% in every single one of the 5 YouGov Welsh polls published under Sunak.
That is not down to any trend, just house effects. YouGov's Welsh polling has shown Labour leads that are so far always in the ball park of around 10% higher than those of R&W. And YouGov are the longer established Welsh pollster, who have been able to measure the accuracy of their polling against GE and Assembly elections. R&W have only started their Welsh polling in the last 9 months and have had nothing against which to evaluate their very different house effect. R&W may publish far more frequently than YouGov, but I think theirs is a case of "never mind the quality, feel the width".
There's a view that the Iranians are just poking Uncle Sam in the eye. I'm more persuaded by the idea that it is actually part of a bigger strategy. To get the US out of the middle east, to destroy Israel and dominate the region themselves.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
He should have become Tory leader in 1997.
No. Too lazy and we'd probably have ended up in the Euro as a result.
I don't think that would have occurred, because Brown was always opposed.
What would have happened, though, is that 2001 would not have been a wasted election. Clarke would have meant the Labour majority was restricted to 100 or so, and would probably have limited - or even clawed back - the LibDem gains at the time.
It's rather odd that we avoided the Euro simply because of Brown's self-importance. At the time I thought it was very much in the UKs interest to stay outside, and I became just about persuaded of the Brexit cause. I hadn't factored in to either view the idea that we'd be messing around with the likes of the current gang of politicians.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
He should have become Tory leader in 1997.
No. Too lazy and we'd probably have ended up in the Euro as a result.
I don't think that would have occurred, because Brown was always opposed.
What would have happened, though, is that 2001 would not have been a wasted election. Clarke would have meant the Labour majority was restricted to 100 or so, and would probably have limited - or even clawed back - the LibDem gains at the time.
I'm not sure that follows.
Ken Clarke's pitch was to vote for him because he's Ken Clarke.
He hadn't done much thinking and I think William Hague was the better candidate, although being too young/inexperienced.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
He should have become Tory leader in 1997.
No. Too lazy and we'd probably have ended up in the Euro as a result.
I don't think that would have occurred, because Brown was always opposed.
What would have happened, though, is that 2001 would not have been a wasted election. Clarke would have meant the Labour majority was restricted to 100 or so, and would probably have limited - or even clawed back - the LibDem gains at the time.
I'm not sure that follows.
Ken Clarke's pitch was to vote for him because he's Ken Clarke.
He hadn't done much thinking and I think William Hague was the better candidate, although being too young/inexperienced.
I don't think he needed to do too much thinking, all he needed to do was to minimize the amount of tactical voting that took place in 2001.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
There are three views on Rwanda type policies:
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now (2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there (3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
And I don't think (1) is sustainable.
(4) Process the claims and appeals speedily, so they can either be welcomed and start working or deported. Build. More. Houses.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
There are three views on Rwanda type policies:
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now (2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there (3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
And I don't think (1) is sustainable.
You forgot 4) we should welcome immigrants and set up a wet market
Reyes compared Littlejohn’s actions to other recent attacks and threats against elected officials as well as to Jan. 6 defendants she has recently sentenced. She described his actions as a deliberate, complex, multiyear criminal scheme, but said she believed he “sincerely felt a moral imperative” to act as he did…
Reyes compared Littlejohn’s actions to other recent attacks and threats against elected officials as well as to Jan. 6 defendants she has recently sentenced. She described his actions as a deliberate, complex, multiyear criminal scheme, but said she believed he “sincerely felt a moral imperative” to act as he did…
Trump appointed judges doing their job is the potentially big story. I don't think it will happen, and nobody else does, but it's not impossible.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
There are three views on Rwanda type policies:
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now (2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there (3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
And I don't think (1) is sustainable.
(4) Process the claims and appeals speedily, so they can either be welcomed and start working or deported. Build. More. Houses.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
He should have become Tory leader in 1997.
No. Too lazy and we'd probably have ended up in the Euro as a result.
Sure. So lazy he’s still active in the Lords at 84.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
There are three views on Rwanda type policies:
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now (2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there (3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
And I don't think (1) is sustainable.
Which "offshore" processing of asylum seekers by Germany specifically are you referring to?
There's a view that the Iranians are just poking Uncle Sam in the eye. I'm more persuaded by the idea that it is actually part of a bigger strategy. To get the US out of the middle east, to destroy Israel and dominate the region themselves.
I have been working on the assumption that - as is common - poking 'the enemy' is a nice way to distract from problems at home.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
He should have become Tory leader in 1997.
Did he stand in the post Thatcher leadership? I remember Hurd, Hezza and of course Major.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
There are three views on Rwanda type policies:
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now (2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there (3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
And I don't think (1) is sustainable.
(4) Process the claims and appeals speedily, so they can either be welcomed and start working or deported. Build. More. Houses.
Agreed: we process claims far too slowly.
We should outsource it to Capita who have done such an excellent job on RN recruitment. Indeed, there must be obvious synergies there. Asylum-seekers could be offered citizenship once they have completed two tours of duty on a type 45 destroyer.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
There are three views on Rwanda type policies:
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now (2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there (3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
And I don't think (1) is sustainable.
(4) Process the claims and appeals speedily, so they can either be welcomed and start working or deported. Build. More. Houses.
Agreed: we process claims far too slowly.
We should outsource it to Capita who have done such an excellent job on RN recruitment. Indeed, there must be obvious synergies there. Asylum-seekers could be offered citizenship once they have completed two tours of duty on a type 45 destroyer.
Hey, that's my idea - anyone crossing the Channel in a small boat has skills. Make attempted illegal entry into the UK turn into automatic enlistment in the RN.
On that last one, the gender neutral toilets, isn’t she being consistent? That’s not like Sir Keir
It's the least contradictory of the examples, but she's trying to claim the credit for having always supported sex-specific toilets but she previously opposed legislation to mandate them.
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
There are three views on Rwanda type policies:
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now (2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there (3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
And I don't think (1) is sustainable.
(4) Process the claims and appeals speedily, so they can either be welcomed and start working or deported. Build. More. Houses.
Agreed: we process claims far too slowly.
We should outsource it to Capita who have done such an excellent job on RN recruitment. Indeed, there must be obvious synergies there. Asylum-seekers could be offered citizenship once they have completed two tours of duty on a type 45 destroyer.
Hey, that's my idea - anyone crossing the Channel in a small boat has skills. Make attempted illegal entry into the UK turn into automatic enlistment in the RN.
Have we noted the long open letter from Matt Goodwin to Rishi, via the rest of the world's population, suggesting that Rishi should campaign more or less on the single issue of offering a referendum on immigration.
I don't support this at all, and it wouldn't change my vote but it would, I think, galvanise the election.
Absolutely brilliant. Let's heal the nation's wounds by having (another) referendum.
Brenda from Bristol would not approve, Matt.
I think he means galvanise Tory turnout. I doubt it would help much.
Isn't Goodwin one of the 'wokeism is a religion' crew ? Sounds a bit of a prat.
He believes the country is being run by an elite of progressive academics even though the tories have been in power for well over a decade. Or something like that.
I think he believes his immediate future might be outside academia and looking for a well paying media gig -
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
He should have become Tory leader in 1997.
No. Too lazy and we'd probably have ended up in the Euro as a result.
Yeah. So lazy he’s still contributing to politics in his mid-80s
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
There are three views on Rwanda type policies:
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now (2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there (3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
And I don't think (1) is sustainable.
(4) Process the claims and appeals speedily, so they can either be welcomed and start working or deported. Build. More. Houses.
Agreed: we process claims far too slowly.
We should outsource it to Capita who have done such an excellent job on RN recruitment. Indeed, there must be obvious synergies there. Asylum-seekers could be offered citizenship once they have completed two tours of duty on a type 45 destroyer.
Hey, that's my idea - anyone crossing the Channel in a small boat has skills. Make attempted illegal entry into the UK turn into automatic enlistment in the RN.
Also, after the age of, say, 75, does it matter if you are an alky?
Any years after that are surely a bonus, so if you do them sozzled, fair play
Only three years to go! Can’t wait!
Not you, but I wonder if elsewhere in the discussion an old PB fallacy is reappearing? Average life expectancy in the population, or a. l. at birth, or a.l. at the age of 75 or whatevs are all different.
"The increased mortality seen since the start of the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic has also led to a decline in period life expectancy at age 65 years compared with 2017 to 2019. In 2020 to 2022, this was estimated to be 18.3 years for males and 20.8 years for females in the UK. These estimates are approximately the same as the level of life expectancy at age 65 in 2011 to 2013 for both males and females.
Period life expectancy at age 90 years in the UK was 3.8 years for males and 4.5 years for females in 2020 to 2022."
Healthy life expectancy is a different thing and probably hasn’t increased significantly.
That's more important, isn't it. I don't know the data but I'd have thought healthy life expectancy was well correlated to total life expectancy. The only way it wouldn't be (that I can think of) is if medical advances are to a large extent about better managing serious conditions rather than curing or preventing them.
The major difference is dementia. We can keep people alive for longer physically, but not mentally.
Yes we can keep people alive mentally, and pertinent to this thread reducing alcohol intake is part of that.
Mother in law did all of those things but still has Alzheimer's.
I'm pretty sure she'd have preferred succumbing to breast cancer half a dozen years ago like she would have done in the past.
We are nowhere near dealing with it yet.
I'm reading it as "hope for the best". I notice there's nothing in the bullet-points about mad sh*t like staying mentally active (not just physically) or socialising.
"Live on your own, sober, walk (if you can), don't have ciggies, eat what we believe (this month) is a healthy diet, watch mind-numbing telly, stare into space - enjoy!"
I have to say that was a magnificent speech by Clarke. No notes, logically coherent and unbiased. Hardly that reassuring for the left though since he basically endorses the idea of sending people to a third country if only in principle.
There are three views on Rwanda type policies:
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now (2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there (3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
And I don't think (1) is sustainable.
(4) Process the claims and appeals speedily, so they can either be welcomed and start working or deported. Build. More. Houses.
Agreed: we process claims far too slowly.
We should outsource it to Capita who have done such an excellent job on RN recruitment. Indeed, there must be obvious synergies there. Asylum-seekers could be offered citizenship once they have completed two tours of duty on a type 45 destroyer.
Hey, that's my idea - anyone crossing the Channel in a small boat has skills. Make attempted illegal entry into the UK turn into automatic enlistment in the RN.
Oh, RN ships used boiler firebricks in a big way come the later C19. But I suppose firebricks are no longer much in demand on HM ships, since the Fearless went to the great shipyard in the sky.
I was browsing through the news today and came across a story in the Mirror regarding the US/Israel. As you might expect from the robustly left wing newspaper the stance was pretty critical of the two powers. They quoted an academic from King's College London, Dr Andreas Krieg, for their analysis. Being the inquisitive type I thought I would try and learn a bit more about Dr Krieg. The easiest, most straightforward way to do that is of course to look at his Twitter feed. I was in luck as Dr Krieg seems to be a very regular poster to the site. I read down his list of tweets going back over the last month.
In short, Dr Krieg a senior lecturer in Security Studies at King's College London comes across as an anti-Israeli polemicist. He also finds time for criticism of the US, other western countries and perhaps most interestingly, the UAE. I couldn't really find any criticism of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas or the Houthis. If there is a good guy in all of this, then according to Dr Krieg's twitter feed it would appear to be Qatar, the mediators between Israel and Hamas, the latter of who's leaders are conveniently located in Doha.
The links between King's and Qatar have grown over the years. In 2014 KCL apparently took £26m to help train officers in the Qatari army. More recently there is the Qatar Centre For Global Banking and Finance at KCL. Given our reliance on the Universities and their political influence shouldn't we be paying a bit more attention to the foreign states funding them and the reasons they might be doing so? In life you get what you pay for.
Is he right that Boris's Cabinet was the worst in history? He does think Rishi might turn it round btw.
Thanks. Heffer was interesting. But who was the young buck doing the interview? (He seemed as admiring of Hitler and Enoch Powell as he was critical of the Biden White House.)
Hitler?
Yes, Adolf was a keen and committed scholar of history apparently.
(Narrator: he believed that the Aryan race originated as giants in the Arctic Circle and instructed his "scholars" to prove that the Japanese were Aryan.)
Is he right that Boris's Cabinet was the worst in history? He does think Rishi might turn it round btw.
Thanks. Heffer was interesting. But who was the young buck doing the interview? (He seemed as admiring of Hitler and Enoch Powell as he was critical of the Biden White House.)
Hitler?
Yes, Adolf was a keen and committed scholar of history apparently.
(Narrator: he believed that the Aryan race originated as giants in the Arctic Circle and instructed his "scholars" to prove that the Japanese were Aryan.)
Total bollocks. We all know the giants ruled ancient Britain, but were put down when the survivors of Troy took over, securing our place as the natural successor to Classical Civilisation following the fall of Rome.
Comments
(1) We absolutely shouldn't do anything with the flow of refugees other than what we do right now
(2) We should ship off a limited number to Rwanda so they can claim asylum there
(3) We should setup offshore processing facilities, which discourage economic migrants from making the trek, and minimize the risk of people overflowing into the local informal labour market
Personally, I think (3) which is done variously by the Germans and Australians is a very smart idea. I think the Americans should probably do it too.
I think (2) is stupid and performative, and will make very little difference to the calculations of economically rationale migrants.
And I don't think (1) is sustainable.
What would have happened, though, is that 2001 would not have been a wasted election. Clarke would have meant the Labour majority was restricted to 100 or so, and would probably have limited - or even clawed back - the LibDem gains at the time.
That is not down to any trend, just house effects. YouGov's Welsh polling has shown Labour leads that are so far always in the ball park of around 10% higher than those of R&W. And YouGov are the longer established Welsh pollster, who have been able to measure the accuracy of their polling against GE and Assembly elections. R&W have only started their Welsh polling in the last 9 months and have had nothing against which to evaluate their very different house effect. R&W may publish far more frequently than YouGov, but I think theirs is a case of "never mind the quality, feel the width".
There's a view that the Iranians are just poking Uncle Sam in the eye. I'm more persuaded by the idea that it is actually part of a bigger strategy. To get the US out of the middle east, to destroy Israel and dominate the region themselves.
Ken Clarke's pitch was to vote for him because he's Ken Clarke.
He hadn't done much thinking and I think William Hague was the better candidate, although being too young/inexperienced.
If you are paid per post, it will certainly be worth your while.
Oh, hang on now I type it I guess you mean left over red wine. I though you were having to drink something called 'ledt' rather than (over) red wine.
Driy January is beginning to crumble my brain. Still only one more day to go :-)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/former-irs-contractor-sentenced-5-years-prison-leaking-trump-tax-recor-rcna135908
… “You can be an outstanding person and commit bad acts,” Reyes said. “What you did in targeting the sitting president of the United States was an attack on our constitutional democracy,” she added.
Reyes compared Littlejohn’s actions to other recent attacks and threats against elected officials as well as to Jan. 6 defendants she has recently sentenced. She described his actions as a deliberate, complex, multiyear criminal scheme, but said she believed he “sincerely felt a moral imperative” to act as he did…
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1752396323842646178
She’s the kind of lawyer you’d want representing your wife, if you were to get divorced.
So lazy he’s still active in the Lords at 84.
Slightly woozy, short-lived champions, but champions nonetheless.
New Thread
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/university-to-axe-40-staff-amid-major-financial-woes-300944/
https://phys.org/news/2022-04-oven-bricks-tudor-warship-mary.html
"Live on your own, sober, walk (if you can), don't have ciggies, eat what we believe (this month) is a healthy diet, watch mind-numbing telly, stare into space - enjoy!"
In short, Dr Krieg a senior lecturer in Security Studies at King's College London comes across as an anti-Israeli polemicist. He also finds time for criticism of the US, other western countries and perhaps most interestingly, the UAE. I couldn't really find any criticism of Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas or the Houthis. If there is a good guy in all of this, then according to Dr Krieg's twitter feed it would appear to be Qatar, the mediators between Israel and Hamas, the latter of who's leaders are conveniently located in Doha.
The links between King's and Qatar have grown over the years. In 2014 KCL apparently took £26m to help train officers in the Qatari army. More recently there is the Qatar Centre For Global Banking and Finance at KCL. Given our reliance on the Universities and their political influence shouldn't we be paying a bit more attention to the foreign states funding them and the reasons they might be doing so? In life you get what you pay for.