Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
This is from last month.
— plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface
— allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters
— some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him
— Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed
If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question. Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague
'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.
But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.
His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.
For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.
You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
No, when you love each other you should be together for life, and marriage is an expression of that love.
However if for whatever reason you cease to love each other, then separation is the honourable thing to do.
I want to stay together with my life because I love her. I want her to stay with me because she loves me, not because of any vows.
If you didn't love her you wouldn't have married her in the first place.
Marriage should be entered in as a lifelong commitment, the problem is too many nowadays get divorced on the first row or expecting eternal perfection but the whole point of marriage is relationships have ups and downs but you make a lifelong commitment to the person forsaking all others
Point of order. My agreement with my wife was that I’d forsake all others except for Keira Knightley.
Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
This is from last month.
— plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface
— allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters
— some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him
— Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed
If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question. Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague
'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.
But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.
His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.
For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.
You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
In our case 60 years in May, but if you genuinely believe marriage vows bind you for life then you are incredibly naive and does not reflect reality
If you aren't committed to keeping them, what is the point of making the vows in the first place?
You are incredibly naive on this subject
Of course people making wedding vows are entirely committed to them but circumstances change, relationships change, life changes, and nobody can predict events that overtake relationships often decades after
Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
This is from last month.
— plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface
— allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters
— some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him
— Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed
If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question. Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague
'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.
But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.
His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.
He broke his marriage vow and left his wife and young child for a younger model he met at Westminster, now he doesn't need to be arrested for that but he shouldn't be applauded for it either
Surely he needs to be stoned to death? Leviticus chapter 20 verse 10?
Pretty much any new leader would make this lifelong Tory voter and activist more likely to vote Tory. At present, I won't be voting for a Rishi led party.
I said it right at the start, and have been proved right. Rishi is a dud.
He is the one who claimed today that his advice to a colleague to delete his snapchats to avoid FOI requests was a joke but the punchline is that he did indeed delete all his snapchats.
Hang on, I accept I am way out of date here, but I though Snapchat was what kids used to share “one time only” photos? Is it now a messaging thing too?
I thought it was that daft app that morphed your face into a lion/tiger. Thought it became passé several years ago.
We don't often agree but on this it is utter nonsense and must be seen in the context of the recent telegraph poll and the plotting by the right wingers through the telegraph
Anyway, how big a win is Trump getting in New Hampshire as a whole?
Except for midnight vote from Dixville, polling places across New Hampshire are still open, until 7pm (eastern) most places though in a few towns closing time is 8pm.
Note that some towns are planning to first count and report Republican primary results, then turn to Democratic primary, where expected sizable number of write-in votes for Biden will slow down the count.
Pretty much any new leader would make this lifelong Tory voter and activist more likely to vote Tory. At present, I won't be voting for a Rishi led party.
I said it right at the start, and have been proved right. Rishi is a dud.
And it would make this lifelong conservative vote elsewhere
Pretty much any new leader would make this lifelong Tory voter and activist more likely to vote Tory. At present, I won't be voting for a Rishi led party.
I said it right at the start, and have been proved right. Rishi is a dud.
I think a generic leader with charisma, and backed with a bit of unity, could get 35% and stop a Starmer majority (though I still think Sunak might manage that). Except the act of desposing Sunak precludes the unity party.
'When people were asked who they would prefer as prime minister –Sir Keir or a new, tax-cutting Tory leader with a tougher approach to legal and illegal migration – voters in 322 constituencies in England and Wales preferred a new Tory leader, while Sir Keir came out on top in only 164 seats.
In 89 constituencies the most common answer was “not sure”. If the “not sure” respondents are stripped out, a new Tory is most popular in 375 constituencies to 200.'
If you believe that and of course the alternative Tory leader wasn't named....'The poll did not present respondents with names of possible alternative Tory leaders, but asked if they would prefer as prime minister: Sir Keir or a new Tory leader who was stronger on crime and migration, who cut taxes and got NHS waiting lists down.' So basically if Sunak achieved that it could even be him https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/oust-sunak-election-massacre-warns-cabinet-ally-simon-clark/
Pretty much any new leader would make this lifelong Tory voter and activist more likely to vote Tory. At present, I won't be voting for a Rishi led party.
I said it right at the start, and have been proved right. Rishi is a dud.
And it would make this lifelong conservative vote elsewhere
I thought you were already voting elsewhere?
Or are you voting for this nonsense that we have at the moment?
Do you prefer SKS or an imaginary PM giving you everything you want (more Government spending, no immigrants, and less tax, insert all your pet unicorns here)...
Anyway, how big a win is Trump getting in New Hampshire as a whole?
Except for midnight vote from Dixville, polling places across New Hampshire are still open, until 7pm (eastern) most places though in a few towns closing time is 8pm.
Note that some towns are planning to first count and report Republican primary results, then turn to Democratic primary, where expected sizable number of write-in votes for Biden will slow down the count.
7pm? If we did that here I would never get home from work in time.
'When people were asked who they would prefer as prime minister –Sir Keir or a new, tax-cutting Tory leader with a tougher approach to legal and illegal migration – voters in 322 constituencies in England and Wales preferred a new Tory leader, while Sir Keir came out on top in only 164 seats.
In 89 constituencies the most common answer was “not sure”. If the “not sure” respondents are stripped out, a new Tory is most popular in 375 constituencies to 200.'
If you believe that and of course the alternative Tory leader wasn't named....'The poll did not present respondents with names of possible alternative Tory leaders, but asked if they would prefer as prime minister: Sir Keir or a new Tory leader who was stronger on crime and migration, who cut taxes and got NHS waiting lists down.' So basically if Sunak achieved that it could even be him https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/oust-sunak-election-massacre-warns-cabinet-ally-simon-clark/
So they've added the DKs basically on their side. Would have thought you'd love that.
What a shame for them that 'New Tory Leader' will not be on the ballot paper, but 'Old Codger past his prime' 'Youthful cad' 'silly ideologue' and 'Suella Braverman' will be.
Any Leader inherits a party divided - if Sunak could enact policies everyone liked and supported he'd have done it already.
@robfordmancs “An amalgam of Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill who will give tax cuts to everyone, shut up the youngsters and restore Britain’s rightful place in the world. Or Rishi Sunak. Choose!”
Pretty much any new leader would make this lifelong Tory voter and activist more likely to vote Tory. At present, I won't be voting for a Rishi led party.
I said it right at the start, and have been proved right. Rishi is a dud.
And it would make this lifelong conservative vote elsewhere
I thought you were already voting elsewhere?
Or are you voting for this nonsense that we have at the moment?
I have no idea who I will vote for at GE24 but the wider point is the one nation tories would desert a right wing conservative party
@robfordmancs “An amalgam of Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill who will give tax cuts to everyone, shut up the youngsters and restore Britain’s rightful place in the world. Or Rishi Sunak. Choose!”
“Who would make the best Prime Minister?” 1. Rishi Sunak 2. The projection onto a blank canvas of everything you want in a Prime Minister?
Well, when he puts it like that it's almost as if the question is bloody silly.
How can anyone now not justify a general election?
Ooo I’ll bite. Is the answer “because the Tories prefer being in Gvt to not being in Gvt and they will stop being in Gvt on polling day, so will push it back, and push it back; and end up going in Jan”?
Pretty much any new leader would make this lifelong Tory voter and activist more likely to vote Tory. At present, I won't be voting for a Rishi led party.
I said it right at the start, and have been proved right. Rishi is a dud.
And it would make this lifelong conservative vote elsewhere
I thought you were already voting elsewhere?
Or are you voting for this nonsense that we have at the moment?
I have no idea who I will vote for at GE24 but the wider point is the one nation tories would desert a right wing conservative party
This one nation ex-Tory has already abandoned the party and so have most others I know, I thought you had too.
Sunak banging on about Rwanda and doing absolutely nothing positive isn't changing that any time soon.
An alternative Tory party will probably deserve to lose at the minute.
A Sunak-led Tory party definitely deserves to lose at the minute.
@robfordmancs “An amalgam of Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill who will give tax cuts to everyone, shut up the youngsters and restore Britain’s rightful place in the world. Or Rishi Sunak. Choose!”
“Who would make the best Prime Minister?” 1. Rishi Sunak 2. The projection onto a blank canvas of everything you want in a Prime Minister?
Well, when he puts it like that it's almost as if the question is bloody silly.
Who cares how tall Clarkey and Rishy are? Both are 100% helmet and that is the only measurement that matters
I have no idea why race, religion etc are protected characteristics, but people think it’s fine to mock someone over their height. You get the hand you get.
Who cares how tall Clarkey and Rishy are? Both are 100% helmet and that is the only measurement that matters
I have no idea why race, religion etc are protected characteristics, but people think it’s fine to mock someone over their height. You get the hand you get.
Making religion a protected characteristic was a terrible mistake.
My loyalty to @trussliz and @BorisJohnson was sincere to the last and I appreciate deeply the opportunity they gave me. But I meant every word that I said yesterday: @Conservatives must unite under our new PM and should all work to ensure @RishiSunak succeeds. He has my support.
'When people were asked who they would prefer as prime minister –Sir Keir or a new, tax-cutting Tory leader with a tougher approach to legal and illegal migration – voters in 322 constituencies in England and Wales preferred a new Tory leader, while Sir Keir came out on top in only 164 seats.
In 89 constituencies the most common answer was “not sure”. If the “not sure” respondents are stripped out, a new Tory is most popular in 375 constituencies to 200.'
If you believe that and of course the alternative Tory leader wasn't named....'The poll did not present respondents with names of possible alternative Tory leaders, but asked if they would prefer as prime minister: Sir Keir or a new Tory leader who was stronger on crime and migration, who cut taxes and got NHS waiting lists down.' So basically if Sunak achieved that it could even be him https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/oust-sunak-election-massacre-warns-cabinet-ally-simon-clark/
All he needs to do is cut taxes, deport half the NHS staff, then cut waiting times.
Who cares how tall Clarkey and Rishy are? Both are 100% helmet and that is the only measurement that matters
I have no idea why race, religion etc are protected characteristics, but people think it’s fine to mock someone over their height. You get the hand you get.
I'm the same height as Rishi, so I consider him fair game to make fun of for that reason. It is amusing when someone towers over another like that as an adult, I often feel like I have to step back to remain in some hypothetical framed shot with someone.
How can anyone now not justify a general election?
There was an impotent poster up in a window on my walk into town a year ago wailing ‘general election now’. That’s not how it works. It won’t be how it works at the fag end of the next failing labour government either.
Who cares how tall Clarkey and Rishy are? Both are 100% helmet and that is the only measurement that matters
I have no idea why race, religion etc are protected characteristics, but people think it’s fine to mock someone over their height. You get the hand you get.
Indeed. It’s not as if he can do anything about how tall he is.
Who cares how tall Clarkey and Rishy are? Both are 100% helmet and that is the only measurement that matters
I have no idea why race, religion etc are protected characteristics, but people think it’s fine to mock someone over their height. You get the hand you get.
Making religion a protected characteristic was a terrible mistake.
My loyalty to @trussliz and @BorisJohnson was sincere to the last and I appreciate deeply the opportunity they gave me. But I meant every word that I said yesterday: @Conservatives must unite under our new PM and should all work to ensure @RishiSunak succeeds. He has my support.
A year is a long time in a sack with a load of other ferrets.
I really don't think such a fantasy would swing Leicester East blue.
Who did this survey for them? Surely it isn't Yougov? Not after last week's one?
Yes, YouGov apparently. "A YouGov poll suggests that a new Tory leader could secure a convincing victory over Labour"
I presume it's the MRP from 4 Jan because they are showing constituency level results on the map, but they could just be applying some universal fantasy swing, I guess.
Does anyone have a link to the full tables for the YouGov MRP?
Who cares how tall Clarkey and Rishy are? Both are 100% helmet and that is the only measurement that matters
I have no idea why race, religion etc are protected characteristics, but people think it’s fine to mock someone over their height. You get the hand you get.
Making religion a protected characteristic was a terrible mistake.
People choose their beliefs.
No it wasn't, ask the survivors of the Holocaust for starters what happened when their religious freedom to be Jewish was not respected by the State
@JAHeale New: on the Tory WhatsApp group, MPs are tonight publicly rowing in behind Rishi Sunak
Bob Seely: ‘To those who wanna do this: get a bloody life.’
Andrew Percy: ‘The idea another leadership psychodrama will help any Tory MP is for the birds! For FFS!’
I know it leaks a lot, but is it publicly if it is in their WhatsApp group?
I feel for them a bit, they are going down and cannot see a way out - some will try something, like Clarke, but others see that as counterproductive or just futile.
So is anything actually happening? Or have the Trussites (stop sniggering at the back) actually done something? I am not counting funding the SUNAK WILL KILL US poll or lying about how a hard tack to the right means they win, or this "poll" showing that hard right new leader would deffo win a majority of 704?
Simon Clarke. Do not go gently into the night. rage, rage against the dying of your seat when you lose by 8,000.
I really don't think such a fantasy would swing Leicester East blue.
Who did this survey for them? Surely it isn't Yougov? Not after last week's one?
Yes, YouGov apparently. "A YouGov poll suggests that a new Tory leader could secure a convincing victory over Labour"
I presume it's the MRP from 4 Jan because they are showing constituency level results on the map, but they could just be applying some universal fantasy swing, I guess.
Does anyone have a link to the full tables for the YouGov MRP?
Pretty much any new leader would make this lifelong Tory voter and activist more likely to vote Tory. At present, I won't be voting for a Rishi led party.
I said it right at the start, and have been proved right. Rishi is a dud.
And it would make this lifelong conservative vote elsewhere
Who cares how tall Clarkey and Rishy are? Both are 100% helmet and that is the only measurement that matters
I have no idea why race, religion etc are protected characteristics, but people think it’s fine to mock someone over their height. You get the hand you get.
Making religion a protected characteristic was a terrible mistake.
People choose their beliefs.
No it wasn't, ask the survivors of the Holocaust for starters what happened when their religious freedom to be Jewish was not respected by the State
Who cares how tall Clarkey and Rishy are? Both are 100% helmet and that is the only measurement that matters
I have no idea why race, religion etc are protected characteristics, but people think it’s fine to mock someone over their height. You get the hand you get.
Making religion a protected characteristic was a terrible mistake.
People choose their beliefs.
No it wasn't, ask the survivors of the Holocaust for starters what happened when their religious freedom to be Jewish was not respected by the State
The Nazis killed non practicing, atheist and converted Jews enthusiastically. They viewed Jews as an ethnic group, rather than primarily a religion.
'When people were asked who they would prefer as prime minister –Sir Keir or a new, tax-cutting Tory leader with a tougher approach to legal and illegal migration – voters in 322 constituencies in England and Wales preferred a new Tory leader, while Sir Keir came out on top in only 164 seats.
In 89 constituencies the most common answer was “not sure”. If the “not sure” respondents are stripped out, a new Tory is most popular in 375 constituencies to 200.'
If you believe that and of course the alternative Tory leader wasn't named....'The poll did not present respondents with names of possible alternative Tory leaders, but asked if they would prefer as prime minister: Sir Keir or a new Tory leader who was stronger on crime and migration, who cut taxes and got NHS waiting lists down.' So basically if Sunak achieved that it could even be him https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/oust-sunak-election-massacre-warns-cabinet-ally-simon-clark/
So they've added the DKs basically on their side. Would have thought you'd love that.
Do we ask, who paid for this dumbass unicorn poll?
A week has hardly gone by since that poll predicting Tory wipeout, prompting us to ask - Who was behind poll predicting Tory wipeout – and what do they want? The immature brains at the Telegraph added such a spin on that one the pollster called them out on it.
And now another one not just Sunak but Levido too we must say, just don’t need. In fact every member and voter of the Tory party really doesn’t need this in election year. So Apart from presuming its clueless backers of team Boris burning through money in such a way its writing Starmer a bigger blank cheque and leaving Tory’s even further from power for longer, is there an actual strategy being played here by one of the five families?
Sounds like a wishful thinking conclusion to me - more relevant is that it's an even split of whether they think Biden won in 2020, even in a group that self describes as 64% non-MAGA.
CNN’s exit poll from the New Hampshire Republican primary:
Party registration: Registered Republicans-49% Registered undeclared-47% Unregistered before today-3%
Ideology Very conservative-24% Somewhat conservative-39% Modrate-31% Liberal-6%
Are you part of the MAGA movement? Yes-32% No-64%
Do you think Biden won legitimately in 2020? Yes-49% No-49%
I really don't think such a fantasy would swing Leicester East blue.
Who did this survey for them? Surely it isn't Yougov? Not after last week's one?
Yes, YouGov apparently. "A YouGov poll suggests that a new Tory leader could secure a convincing victory over Labour"
I presume it's the MRP from 4 Jan because they are showing constituency level results on the map, but they could just be applying some universal fantasy swing, I guess.
Does anyone have a link to the full tables for the YouGov MRP?
I don't think MRP polls have tables, do they?
Ah, maybe not. The question remains how did the Telegraph create these results.
'When people were asked who they would prefer as prime minister –Sir Keir or a new, tax-cutting Tory leader with a tougher approach to legal and illegal migration – voters in 322 constituencies in England and Wales preferred a new Tory leader, while Sir Keir came out on top in only 164 seats.
In 89 constituencies the most common answer was “not sure”. If the “not sure” respondents are stripped out, a new Tory is most popular in 375 constituencies to 200.'
If you believe that and of course the alternative Tory leader wasn't named....'The poll did not present respondents with names of possible alternative Tory leaders, but asked if they would prefer as prime minister: Sir Keir or a new Tory leader who was stronger on crime and migration, who cut taxes and got NHS waiting lists down.' So basically if Sunak achieved that it could even be him https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/oust-sunak-election-massacre-warns-cabinet-ally-simon-clark/
All he needs to do is cut taxes, deport half the NHS staff, then cut waiting times.
It’s a hilarious poll, but it does demonstrate that the Conservative brand is not totally destroyed. Just as the Labour brand wasn’t destroyed under Corbyn or Foot.
It would be very interesting to run a poll comparing a fantasy perfect Tory leader with a fantasy perfect Labour leader. But with each having a different party-appropriate imaginary superpower. So for example the Tory would cut taxes for everyone, abolish wokery and slash immigration. The Labour PM would cut NHS waiting lists, abolish homelessness and make the trains go on time.
@JAHeale New: on the Tory WhatsApp group, MPs are tonight publicly rowing in behind Rishi Sunak
Bob Seely: ‘To those who wanna do this: get a bloody life.’
Andrew Percy: ‘The idea another leadership psychodrama will help any Tory MP is for the birds! For FFS!’
I know it leaks a lot, but is it publicly if it is in their WhatsApp group?
I feel for them a bit, they are going down and cannot see a way out - some will try something, like Clarke, but others see that as counterproductive or just futile.
My feeling is a lot of people have invested a lot of political capital in securing Rishi the PM job.
I have no idea why, as he isn't very good at it, and it has led to no better position for the average backbench Tory.
Former minister: "Madness. The final descent of this Party into a fratricidal cult of warring tribes of posturing populists putting ideology ahead of governing in the mainstream interest. It’s beyond parody."
I don't know what is more bonkers that the GOP is going to nominate Traitor Trump again, or that there are some absolute melons in the Tory Party that think a change of leader is going to save their skins.
Who cares how tall Clarkey and Rishy are? Both are 100% helmet and that is the only measurement that matters
I have no idea why race, religion etc are protected characteristics, but people think it’s fine to mock someone over their height. You get the hand you get.
Making religion a protected characteristic was a terrible mistake.
People choose their beliefs.
No it wasn't, ask the survivors of the Holocaust for starters what happened when their religious freedom to be Jewish was not respected by the State
The Nazis killed non practicing, atheist and converted Jews enthusiastically. They viewed Jews as an ethnic group, rather than primarily a religion.
Yes, mere religion you can change, but that did not save people.
Sounds like a wishful thinking conclusion to me - more relevant is that it's an even split of whether they think Biden won in 2020, even in a group that self describes as 64% non-MAGA.
CNN’s exit poll from the New Hampshire Republican primary:
Party registration: Registered Republicans-49% Registered undeclared-47% Unregistered before today-3%
Ideology Very conservative-24% Somewhat conservative-39% Modrate-31% Liberal-6%
Are you part of the MAGA movement? Yes-32% No-64%
Do you think Biden won legitimately in 2020? Yes-49% No-49%
'When people were asked who they would prefer as prime minister –Sir Keir or a new, tax-cutting Tory leader with a tougher approach to legal and illegal migration – voters in 322 constituencies in England and Wales preferred a new Tory leader, while Sir Keir came out on top in only 164 seats.
In 89 constituencies the most common answer was “not sure”. If the “not sure” respondents are stripped out, a new Tory is most popular in 375 constituencies to 200.'
If you believe that and of course the alternative Tory leader wasn't named....'The poll did not present respondents with names of possible alternative Tory leaders, but asked if they would prefer as prime minister: Sir Keir or a new Tory leader who was stronger on crime and migration, who cut taxes and got NHS waiting lists down.' So basically if Sunak achieved that it could even be him https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/oust-sunak-election-massacre-warns-cabinet-ally-simon-clark/
SKS fans please explain why your boy can't beat the Telegraph wet dream non existent leader!!
I don't know what is more bonkers that the GOP is going to nominate Traitor Trump again, or that there are some absolute melons in the Tory Party that think a change of leader is going to save their skins.
Any port in a storm.
Changing leader probably won't save their skin.
Keeping the leader definitely won't save their skin.
Mathematically probably won is better than definitely won't.
I don't know what is more bonkers that the GOP is going to nominate Traitor Trump again, or that there are some absolute melons in the Tory Party that think a change of leader is going to save their skins.
Changing leader again requires a lot of wishful thinking, but doesn't require ignoring an aspiring authoritarian trying to hold onto power in one of the world's oldest democracies, and in fact enthusiastically supporting that person. The bonkers quotient is way higher for the latter.
Charles to refuse to swear in the new PM and tell them it is high time for a GE?
Not his job.
Um, not sure about that...
Which bit? Charles is a figurehead. It’s not up to him to tell someone who can command a majority in the house that they shouldn’t, and should hold an election.
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@Telegraph
🔵 Oust Sunak or Tories face election massacre, warns former Cabinet ally
A YouGov poll suggests that a new Tory leader could secure a convincing victory over Labour
https://x.com/Telegraph/status/1749907390948909452?s=20
Of course people making wedding vows are entirely committed to them but circumstances change, relationships change, life changes, and nobody can predict events that overtake relationships often decades after
Pretty much any new leader would make this lifelong Tory voter and activist more likely to vote Tory. At present, I won't be voting for a Rishi led party.
I said it right at the start, and have been proved right. Rishi is a dud.
Note that some towns are planning to first count and report Republican primary results, then turn to Democratic primary, where expected sizable number of write-in votes for Biden will slow down the count.
“I’d like to report a crime against psephology”
In 89 constituencies the most common answer was “not sure”. If the “not sure” respondents are stripped out, a new Tory is most popular in 375 constituencies to 200.'
If you believe that and of course the alternative Tory leader wasn't named....'The poll did not present respondents with names of possible alternative Tory leaders, but asked if they would prefer as prime minister: Sir Keir or a new Tory leader who was stronger on crime and migration, who cut taxes and got NHS waiting lists down.'
So basically if Sunak achieved that it could even be him
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/oust-sunak-election-massacre-warns-cabinet-ally-simon-clark/
Or are you voting for this nonsense that we have at the moment?
Do you prefer SKS or an imaginary PM giving you everything you want (more Government spending, no immigrants, and less tax, insert all your pet unicorns here)...
Any Leader inherits a party divided - if Sunak could enact policies everyone liked and supported he'd have done it already.
How can anyone now not justify a general election?
“An amalgam of Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill who will give tax cuts to everyone, shut up the youngsters and restore Britain’s rightful place in the world. Or Rishi Sunak. Choose!”
But you should be glad. The longer this shower of shit goes on for, the more it salts the Earth for the Tory Party to come back from.
Who did this survey for them? Surely it isn't Yougov? Not after last week's one?
🇬🇧 | BRITISH POLITICS
Latest odds:
Sunak to face a Vote of No Confidence before next GE: 10/3
Sunak to be replaced as Tory leader in…
2024: 6/5
2025: 8/13
Simon Clarke next Tory leader: 50/1
Well, when he puts it like that it's almost as if the question is bloody silly.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/runners-and-riders-replace-rishi-sunak-conservative-party/
Sunak banging on about Rwanda and doing absolutely nothing positive isn't changing that any time soon.
An alternative Tory party will probably deserve to lose at the minute.
A Sunak-led Tory party definitely deserves to lose at the minute.
1. Rishi Sunak
2. A pony...
• cut taxes
• deliver world-class public services
• resolve immigration problems
• offer nightly orgies hosted by a celebrity of your choice
People choose their beliefs.
Oct 25, 2022
My loyalty to @trussliz and @BorisJohnson was sincere to the last and I appreciate deeply the opportunity they gave me. But I meant every word that I said yesterday:
@Conservatives must unite under our new PM and should all work to ensure
@RishiSunak succeeds. He has my support.
I suspect his initials may be VP.
New: on the Tory WhatsApp group, MPs are tonight publicly rowing in behind Rishi Sunak
Bob Seely: ‘To those who wanna do this: get a bloody life.’
Andrew Percy: ‘The idea another leadership psychodrama will help any Tory MP is for the birds! For FFS!’
I wish they would decide who they are trying to bring down Sunak for.
"Lord Frost and friends have asked a fascinatingly skewed YouGov poll question between these 3 options
1) Rishi Sunak
2) Keir Starner
3) imaginary new Conservative leader who stops the boats, cuts immigration, delivers lower taxes, better NHS, lower crime!"
https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1749914073766989882?t=UJJXRRdwrHEdTgE4Owscxw&s=19
If Yougov really asked such a skewed question then they will be the laughing stock of the polling world. That's Trafalgar bad!
Source close to Liz Truss insists she is NOT supporting Simon Clarke tonight
I presume it's the MRP from 4 Jan because they are showing constituency level results on the map, but they could just be applying some universal fantasy swing, I guess.
Does anyone have a link to the full tables for the YouGov MRP?
I feel for them a bit, they are going down and cannot see a way out - some will try something, like Clarke, but others see that as counterproductive or just futile.
Simon Clarke. Do not go gently into the night. rage, rage against the dying of your seat when you lose by 8,000.
Former cabinet minister: "The trouble with the cult of youth in modern politics is that you get a lot of juvenilia"
Another Tory MP: "OK courageous, as Sir Humphrey would say"
A week has hardly gone by since that poll predicting Tory wipeout, prompting us to ask - Who was behind poll predicting Tory wipeout – and what do they want? The immature brains at the Telegraph added such a spin on that one the pollster called them out on it.
And now another one not just Sunak but Levido too we must say, just don’t need. In fact every member and voter of the Tory party really doesn’t need this in election year. So Apart from presuming its clueless backers of team Boris burning through money in such a way its writing Starmer a bigger blank cheque and leaving Tory’s even further from power for longer, is there an actual strategy being played here by one of the five families?
CNN’s exit poll from the New Hampshire Republican primary:
Party registration:
Registered Republicans-49%
Registered undeclared-47%
Unregistered before today-3%
Ideology
Very conservative-24%
Somewhat conservative-39%
Modrate-31%
Liberal-6%
Are you part of the MAGA movement?
Yes-32%
No-64%
Do you think Biden won legitimately in 2020?
Yes-49%
No-49%
Encouraging numbers for Nikki Haley
https://nitter.net/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1749920897215959432#m
It would be very interesting to run a poll comparing a fantasy perfect Tory leader with a fantasy perfect Labour leader. But with each having a different party-appropriate imaginary superpower. So for example the Tory would cut taxes for everyone, abolish wokery and slash immigration. The Labour PM would cut NHS waiting lists, abolish homelessness and make the trains go on time.
I have no idea why, as he isn't very good at it, and it has led to no better position for the average backbench Tory.
Former minister: "Madness. The final descent of this Party into a fratricidal cult of warring tribes of posturing populists putting ideology ahead of governing in the mainstream interest. It’s beyond parody."
Tory MP: "More coming... They’ve gone tonto"
Bye.
Thanks for the laughs.
He lost to Truss, who lost to a lettuce.
He was literally the last choice. No capital was expended by anyone at that point.
They just wanted the chaos to stop.
Changing leader probably won't save their skin.
Keeping the leader definitely won't save their skin.
Mathematically probably won is better than definitely won't.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68077142
Suspect Trump wins anyway, but if he doesn't then these were the straws in the wind.
EDIT: I see fuller poll results have been posted below.
New Hampshire Republican primary: Results
22 delegates
Votes
Votes
Pledged
Haley
100.0%
6
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Trump
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Binkley
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Last updated: 5:10 GMT Jan 23, 2024
0% of votes counted. Data via NEP