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edited February 4 in General
Thank you Tories for all the betting opportunities – politicalbetting.com

? No10 braced for leadership onslaught tonight. Aides expecting incoming fire from senior party figures going public imminently ?

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,335
    edited January 23
    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,505
    edited January 23
    Where on earth has this come from? Can't believe they really have 54 names. You'd think Nadine Dorries was still an MP from the number of times you still hear from her.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,163
    edited January 23
    Andy_JS said:

    Where on earth has this come from? Can't believe they really have 54 names.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg on his own accounts for about 37.

    Not just his initials but his ego.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,908
    edited January 23
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,619

    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.

    The question is whether he'd even be an SNP member by the time he gets the vermin fur on. An interesting point.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,698
    edited January 23
    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treading water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,592
    Where's Brenda from Bristol when we need her?
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    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    If I squint, I can just about see the case (this is not my view btw) to bring back Boris and wait six months before you go to the polls, because he at least secured the mandate last time.

    The problem is he’s not in the House.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,505
    2 years is a long time in Australia to go without a leadership spill.
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    Carnyx said:

    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.

    The question is whether he'd even be an SNP member by the time he gets the vermin fur on. An interesting point.
    There is a logic behind his comments.

    There will be no opportunity for the SNP to try to stymie the Rwanda bill as it makes its way through the Lords despite the party’s strong opposition to the proposals.

    It is understood that there have been multiple occasions in recent years where senior SNP figures have had to approach “friendly” peers to put forward amendments to legislation on behalf of the nationalists.

    There have been growing calls among independence supporters for the SNP to revise its policy of refusing to engage with the Lords. In December, Stephen Noon, the chief strategist of the Yes campaign during the 2014 independence referendum, argued that there needed to be “ambassadors for independence in the institutional heart of the UK”.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,302
    It will be the Mad Nad mob. They won't prevail.

    Still. Doesn't help.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,163
    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    It is worth remembering that John Howard managed eleven and a half years without a single challenge. Despite the presence of the sulky Peter Costello.

    In the seventeen years since there have been seven (if we count Rudd twice).
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,130

    Where's Brenda from Bristol when we need her?

    At a guess somewhere in Bristol…
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    Has the moment come for Liz Truss?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,174
    The Tories are in a difficult spot and Sunak first promising amendments to the Rwanda (Lunacy) Bill and then voting them all down has clearly made some enemies in the party. But this is too stupid even for them.
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    Has the moment come for Liz Truss?

    Lettuce hope so.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    It is worth remembering that John Howard managed eleven and a half years without a single challenge. Despite the presence of the sulky Peter Costello.

    In the seventeen years since there have been seven (if we count Rudd twice).
    Most people find it hard to count him once.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Carnyx said:

    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.

    The question is whether he'd even be an SNP member by the time he gets the vermin fur on. An interesting point.
    AIUI, the SNP constitution (or rules?) bans their representatives from taking 'foreign' UK honours, or some such. But presumably they'd accept a defection from an existing peer who joined them, or an hereditary who was elected to the Lords.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,964
    This has shades of the 2009 botched coup for David Miliband v Gordon Brown which got nowhere.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jun/04/james-purnell-resigns-gordon-brown-cabinet
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,619

    Carnyx said:

    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.

    The question is whether he'd even be an SNP member by the time he gets the vermin fur on. An interesting point.
    There is a logic behind his comments.

    There will be no opportunity for the SNP to try to stymie the Rwanda bill as it makes its way through the Lords despite the party’s strong opposition to the proposals.

    It is understood that there have been multiple occasions in recent years where senior SNP figures have had to approach “friendly” peers to put forward amendments to legislation on behalf of the nationalists.

    There have been growing calls among independence supporters for the SNP to revise its policy of refusing to engage with the Lords. In December, Stephen Noon, the chief strategist of the Yes campaign during the 2014 independence referendum, argued that there needed to be “ambassadors for independence in the institutional heart of the UK”.
    Sure, but it's in the party constitution. Like Clause 4 was for Labour, though admittedly not so much.

    I'm suspecting some folk have deliberately misunderstood the wording of those statements. Some of us can't imagine 'engaging' with the second house without taking part in the pseudo-aristocratic shite that constitutes an essentual element of the official UK's idea of a modern democratic state.
    .
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,964

    Has the moment come for Liz Truss?

    Been and gone, if you blinked and missed it it was autumn 2022.

    The only moment for anyone might be for Penny Mordaunt but I doubt she has the numbers
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,174
    Ian Blackford less than 3 years ago:

    "Accepting a peerage to an unelected house does not make it democratic it simply enshrines entitlement and privilege. To quote a phrase lording it over the rest of us."

    Having a go at Ruth Davidson. Its amazing how perceptions can change.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    Many MPs would make a difference to the Tory poll rating. Most of them southwards.

    Three weeks on Thursday to the next pair of Tory by-election defences, by the way.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,619
    edited January 23

    Carnyx said:

    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.

    The question is whether he'd even be an SNP member by the time he gets the vermin fur on. An interesting point.
    AIUI, the SNP constitution (or rules?) bans their representatives from taking 'foreign' UK honours, or some such. But presumably they'd accept a defection from an existing peer who joined them, or an hereditary who was elected to the Lords.
    ISTR it's possibly happened before - but a very long time ago. I can't remember the name. Possibly before the current rules?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,698
    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    If I squint, I can just about see the case (this is not my view btw) to bring back Boris and wait six months before you go to the polls, because he at least secured the mandate last time.

    The problem is he’s not in the House.
    I really still do not understand why he did not stick it out and stand in the by-election that would have come from the privileges report. The party would have been obliged to back him and there's a decent change he might have won, and he then he would have been able to claim the voters had vindicated him from trumped up attempts by his opponents (and and out of the party) to end his career.

    This way he can play the martyr, but cannot launch a reverse coup because the Leader has to be an MP. So the moment he decided to quit was probably a sign he did not see a way back for the party, and wanted to be ready to pick up the pieces afterwards (in theory at any rate, they'll probably be on to the next generation by then).
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,698

    Carnyx said:

    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.

    The question is whether he'd even be an SNP member by the time he gets the vermin fur on. An interesting point.
    There is a logic behind his comments.

    There will be no opportunity for the SNP to try to stymie the Rwanda bill as it makes its way through the Lords despite the party’s strong opposition to the proposals.

    It is understood that there have been multiple occasions in recent years where senior SNP figures have had to approach “friendly” peers to put forward amendments to legislation on behalf of the nationalists.

    There have been growing calls among independence supporters for the SNP to revise its policy of refusing to engage with the Lords. In December, Stephen Noon, the chief strategist of the Yes campaign during the 2014 independence referendum, argued that there needed to be “ambassadors for independence in the institutional heart of the UK”.
    Go the other way, go abstentionist.
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    Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 2,736
    The Tories' problem is that no-one can possibly imagine Sunak as PM for the next five years. He's a sub-postmaster manqué: a worthy, valuable member of the community but devoid of leadership capacity. They may as well roll the dice.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,964
    edited January 23
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    It is worth remembering that John Howard managed eleven and a half years without a single challenge. Despite the presence of the sulky Peter Costello.

    In the seventeen years since there have been seven (if we count Rudd twice).
    And Bob Hawke lasted 8 years as PM without a spill and Paul Keating 5 years before Howard.

    Scott Morrison also never faced a spill challenging him as PM before he lost to Albanese in 2022.

    The fact there were so many spills for PM between 2010 and 2018 was more due to the personality clashes and warring camps of Rudd v Gillard in Labor and Abbott v Turnbull in the Liberals
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    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.

    The question is whether he'd even be an SNP member by the time he gets the vermin fur on. An interesting point.
    There is a logic behind his comments.

    There will be no opportunity for the SNP to try to stymie the Rwanda bill as it makes its way through the Lords despite the party’s strong opposition to the proposals.

    It is understood that there have been multiple occasions in recent years where senior SNP figures have had to approach “friendly” peers to put forward amendments to legislation on behalf of the nationalists.

    There have been growing calls among independence supporters for the SNP to revise its policy of refusing to engage with the Lords. In December, Stephen Noon, the chief strategist of the Yes campaign during the 2014 independence referendum, argued that there needed to be “ambassadors for independence in the institutional heart of the UK”.
    Go the other way, go abstentionist.
    So right now the SNP are like Sinn Féin.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,325

    Carnyx said:

    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.

    The question is whether he'd even be an SNP member by the time he gets the vermin fur on. An interesting point.
    There is a logic behind his comments.

    There will be no opportunity for the SNP to try to stymie the Rwanda bill as it makes its way through the Lords despite the party’s strong opposition to the proposals.

    It is understood that there have been multiple occasions in recent years where senior SNP figures have had to approach “friendly” peers to put forward amendments to legislation on behalf of the nationalists.

    There have been growing calls among independence supporters for the SNP to revise its policy of refusing to engage with the Lords. In December, Stephen Noon, the chief strategist of the Yes campaign during the 2014 independence referendum, argued that there needed to be “ambassadors for independence in the institutional heart of the UK”.
    I have suggested a bill to 'democratise' the House of Lords by awarding life peerages based on allocations to all the parties according to their vote percentages in the preceding GE. This would be far fairer than the current system of Prime Ministerial patronage.

    One result of this would be severely discomfiting the SNP and their stance of not accepting peerages, for the reasons Blackford gives. How can you say the UK is a stitch up against Scotland when you're not taking up the representation to which you're entitled?
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,386
    DavidL said:

    The Tories are in a difficult spot and Sunak first promising amendments to the Rwanda (Lunacy) Bill and then voting them all down has clearly made some enemies in the party. But this is too stupid even for them.

    Where do you think the cutoff between "stupid enough for them" and "too stupid for them" is?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,325
    HYUFD said:

    This has shades of the 2009 botched coup for David Miliband v Gordon Brown which got nowhere.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jun/04/james-purnell-resigns-gordon-brown-cabinet

    What has shades of it? Has anyone actually said anything yet?
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,619

    Carnyx said:

    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.

    The question is whether he'd even be an SNP member by the time he gets the vermin fur on. An interesting point.
    There is a logic behind his comments.

    There will be no opportunity for the SNP to try to stymie the Rwanda bill as it makes its way through the Lords despite the party’s strong opposition to the proposals.

    It is understood that there have been multiple occasions in recent years where senior SNP figures have had to approach “friendly” peers to put forward amendments to legislation on behalf of the nationalists.

    There have been growing calls among independence supporters for the SNP to revise its policy of refusing to engage with the Lords. In December, Stephen Noon, the chief strategist of the Yes campaign during the 2014 independence referendum, argued that there needed to be “ambassadors for independence in the institutional heart of the UK”.
    I have suggested a bill to 'democratise' the House of Lords by awarding life peerages based on allocations to all the parties according to their vote percentages in the preceding GE. This would be far fairer than the current system of Prime Ministerial patronage.

    One result of this would be severely discomfiting the SNP and their stance of not accepting peerages, for the reasons Blackford gives. How can you say the UK is a stitch up against Scotland when you're not taking up the representation to which you're entitled?
    Missinmg the point. That would be fine. It's the honours system and PM patronage to which they object.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    kle4 said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    If I squint, I can just about see the case (this is not my view btw) to bring back Boris and wait six months before you go to the polls, because he at least secured the mandate last time.

    The problem is he’s not in the House.
    I really still do not understand why he did not stick it out and stand in the by-election that would have come from the privileges report. The party would have been obliged to back him and there's a decent change he might have won, and he then he would have been able to claim the voters had vindicated him from trumped up attempts by his opponents (and and out of the party) to end his career.

    This way he can play the martyr, but cannot launch a reverse coup because the Leader has to be an MP. So the moment he decided to quit was probably a sign he did not see a way back for the party, and wanted to be ready to pick up the pieces afterwards (in theory at any rate, they'll probably be on to the next generation by then).
    I agree. It implies he was certain of defeat and doesn’t fancy being LOTO, even though the evidence of Brexit campaigning is he’d be quite good at it and you can still make some cash on the side from that role.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,302

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,174

    DavidL said:

    The Tories are in a difficult spot and Sunak first promising amendments to the Rwanda (Lunacy) Bill and then voting them all down has clearly made some enemies in the party. But this is too stupid even for them.

    Where do you think the cutoff between "stupid enough for them" and "too stupid for them" is?
    Somewhere north of the Rwanda bill so it is pretty high.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,619

    DavidL said:

    The Tories are in a difficult spot and Sunak first promising amendments to the Rwanda (Lunacy) Bill and then voting them all down has clearly made some enemies in the party. But this is too stupid even for them.

    Where do you think the cutoff between "stupid enough for them" and "too stupid for them" is?
    Reminds me of a very nasty trick of some aircraft in some conditions, like the Fairey Swordfish when it was laden with searchlight, batteries, radar and depth charges. Its maximum possible level airspeed was only a few knots more than its stalling speed (i.e. the speed at which it was flying too slowly to keep up in the air at all).
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,949
    Is there any confirmation of this rumour outwith Mad Nad, Harry Cole and an article in Con Home?
    Hope not, cos I did my big shop and popcorn wasn't on the list.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,698
    One day an MP will genuinely float my suggestion of going into the election with no leader at all, and allowing each of the candidates to pitch their vision for the party separately in an attempt to cover all bases.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,964
    edited January 23
    DavidL said:

    Ian Blackford less than 3 years ago:

    "Accepting a peerage to an unelected house does not make it democratic it simply enshrines entitlement and privilege. To quote a phrase lording it over the rest of us."

    Having a go at Ruth Davidson. Its amazing how perceptions can change.

    Having stood down as an MP at the next general election, Blackford has clearly decided entitlement and privilege, excellent bars and restaurants and lording it over the rest of us without having to care what the voters think has some appeal after all.

    Wings is furious of course

    https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-changing-times/
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    NEW

    @GBNEWS understands a senior Tory MP is to call for Rishi Sunak to quit as Conservative leader in an article in a national newspaper tonight.
    One rebel source said: “Someone who the PM really looks up to is calling time on the doom loop.”


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1749897061695148342
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    It is worth remembering that John Howard managed eleven and a half years without a single challenge. Despite the presence of the sulky Peter Costello.

    In the seventeen years since there have been seven (if we count Rudd twice).
    Well, Britain's getting on for as bad. There have been 4 UK PMs since 2016, at an average of 2 years each. The five before that served an average of 7 years each. Obviously, the post-Brexit average will decline further if we get another two changes this year.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,174

    kle4 said:

    Carnyx said:

    First like Ian Blackford as the SNP's first member of the House of Lords.

    The question is whether he'd even be an SNP member by the time he gets the vermin fur on. An interesting point.
    There is a logic behind his comments.

    There will be no opportunity for the SNP to try to stymie the Rwanda bill as it makes its way through the Lords despite the party’s strong opposition to the proposals.

    It is understood that there have been multiple occasions in recent years where senior SNP figures have had to approach “friendly” peers to put forward amendments to legislation on behalf of the nationalists.

    There have been growing calls among independence supporters for the SNP to revise its policy of refusing to engage with the Lords. In December, Stephen Noon, the chief strategist of the Yes campaign during the 2014 independence referendum, argued that there needed to be “ambassadors for independence in the institutional heart of the UK”.
    Go the other way, go abstentionist.
    So right now the SNP are like Sinn Féin.
    If the SNP had gone abstentionist in 2015 when they had 56 out of 59 Scottish MPS they would have caused a constitutional crisis. But Nicola opted to keep the money rolling in instead. Thankfully I don't think they will have such an opportunity again.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,964

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    Depends if he wins back more voters from Starmer Labour and the LDs than the further leakage he causes to RefUK.

    Though yes in reality he would have to stand as an MP again and I doubt he can be bothered, even his former constituency of Witney is a top 50 LD target seat next time
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,294

    NEW

    @GBNEWS understands a senior Tory MP is to call for Rishi Sunak to quit as Conservative leader in an article in a national newspaper tonight.
    One rebel source said: “Someone who the PM really looks up to is calling time on the doom loop.”


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1749897061695148342

    Jeremy Hunt?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,908
    Sir Simon Clarke

    Never heard of him!
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,913
    DavidL said:

    Ian Blackford less than 3 years ago:

    "Accepting a peerage to an unelected house does not make it democratic it simply enshrines entitlement and privilege. To quote a phrase lording it over the rest of us."

    Having a go at Ruth Davidson. Its amazing how perceptions can change.

    Perceptions, principles - it's all just clay to be remoulded every new dawn. Much like a ferry timetable.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited January 23
    On topic. Betting post.

    Today, 23rd Jan, there’s just two political bets worth acting on.

    A cast iron winner on GE date by quarter 2 at 9-2. And the slightly longer punt of NOM at 9-2, that could come into play with tightening during the campaign. I don’t buy this 11% Ref is getting being anti Tory when push comes to shove, my reasoning is firstly despite talking big and getting the Tory votes in elections up to the last GE, soon as starting gun fired, they were Tory voters, and secondly the idea a third of the 11% will likely split Labour is for the birds, Reform up 2 since Christmas Tories down 2, And you are arguing not all that 2 can go straight back to Tories, a third is now Labour? See how ludicrous it sounds? As ref krept up into double figures and Tory’s stood still despite pre election drift to them from Labour, where are you drawing the line a third of that ref pile will now vote Labour? You don’t know how much of that R will be swallowed by C in the closing stages of the campaign period. The truth is, you just don’t know. No one knows. Not this side of, at least the exit poll.

    6th March is budget day, 42 days away. There’s 12 working week days in parliament between 7th March and the date of the dissolution on the 26th for 2nd May election.
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    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,619
    edited January 23

    NEW

    @GBNEWS understands a senior Tory MP is to call for Rishi Sunak to quit as Conservative leader in an article in a national newspaper tonight.
    One rebel source said: “Someone who the PM really looks up to is calling time on the doom loop.”


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1749897061695148342

    Not like you NOT [ed. sorry!] to spot when someone is being mischievous. Think about the wording.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,964
    isam said:

    Sir Simon Clarke

    Never heard of him!

    Former Liz Truss outrider, so no surprise

    https://x.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116?s=20
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,913

    NEW

    @GBNEWS understands a senior Tory MP is to call for Rishi Sunak to quit as Conservative leader in an article in a national newspaper tonight.
    One rebel source said: “Someone who the PM really looks up to is calling time on the doom loop.”


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1749897061695148342

    Jeremy Hunt?
    The only one I can think of who would make a serious dent is William Hague.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,280
    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    Ian Blackford less than 3 years ago:

    "Accepting a peerage to an unelected house does not make it democratic it simply enshrines entitlement and privilege. To quote a phrase lording it over the rest of us."

    Having a go at Ruth Davidson. Its amazing how perceptions can change.

    Perceptions, principles - it's all just clay to be remoulded every new dawn. Much like a ferry timetable.
    I thought ferry timetables were a blank page. A forever future?
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,838
    Evening all :)

    Changing (or "spilling" as I think it's called) in Australia doesn't always work. In New Zealand the opposition Labour party were heading for defeat when they dumped the uninspiring Andrew Little for Jacinda Ardern. She improved Labour's position from what had seemed likely and became Prime Minister after successfully forming a coalition with Winston Peters of NZ First.

    The theory may be a change of leader close to the election (Boris Johnson took over only six months before in 2019) might create the image of a "new broom" with the new leader enjoying a honeymoon with the electorate during which the election could be either fought and won or (more likely) losses would be mitigated.
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    Carnyx said:

    NEW

    @GBNEWS understands a senior Tory MP is to call for Rishi Sunak to quit as Conservative leader in an article in a national newspaper tonight.
    One rebel source said: “Someone who the PM really looks up to is calling time on the doom loop.”


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1749897061695148342

    Not like you NOT [ed. sorry!] to spot when someone is being mischievous. Think about the wording.
    I didn't want to belittle Rishi Sunak at this difficult time.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,302

    NEW

    @GBNEWS understands a senior Tory MP is to call for Rishi Sunak to quit as Conservative leader in an article in a national newspaper tonight.
    One rebel source said: “Someone who the PM really looks up to is calling time on the doom loop.”


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1749897061695148342

    Probably a pun and it's JRM.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,517
    edited January 23
    My last quasi-learned comment re: 1964 NH Primary and it's Shocking Results is languishing near end of previous thread.

    But will repeat my very trivial question

    Q - Which two candidates on the 1976 New Hampshire primary ballot were fraternity brothers while attending the same Ivy League university? clue - Along with two future SCOTUS and a future US Secretary of State.


    MoonRabbit asked IF the NH Primary was conducted by official officials OR if it was rigged.

    Personally think it IS possible for PARTY organizations to conduct free and fair elections IF they wish. For example, as far as I can tell, last week's Iowa Republican precinct caucus voting was both well organized AND on the up-and-up.

    As for New Hampshire, today's primary is conducted by public officials in each town, of which there are 271 including a few that are unorganized and have zero voters, also some with VERY few, for example Dixville (Notch) = 6 voters today.

    Addendum - Would add, that last night I actually read through an election audit report by NH Secretary of State, on elections conducted in a particular town; the audit was called for by SOS due to discrepancies in reported election numbers, which turned out to be human error.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,386
    isam said:

    Sir Simon Clarke

    Never heard of him!

    Sunak's Chief Sec when he was Chancellor. Then a Trussite.

    Some cruel people thought that pairing them was a Johnson jape.


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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,174
    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    If I squint, I can just about see the case (this is not my view btw) to bring back Boris and wait six months before you go to the polls, because he at least secured the mandate last time.

    The problem is he’s not in the House.
    And if he was he would have been recalled.
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    Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,384
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    Depends if he wins back more voters from Starmer Labour and the LDs than the further leakage he causes to RefUK.

    Though yes in reality he would have to stand as an MP again and I doubt he can be bothered, even his former constituency of Witney is a top 50 LD target seat next time
    He can't resign his lords seat and stand in the commons.
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,913

    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    Ian Blackford less than 3 years ago:

    "Accepting a peerage to an unelected house does not make it democratic it simply enshrines entitlement and privilege. To quote a phrase lording it over the rest of us."

    Having a go at Ruth Davidson. Its amazing how perceptions can change.

    Perceptions, principles - it's all just clay to be remoulded every new dawn. Much like a ferry timetable.
    I thought ferry timetables were a blank page. A forever future?
    That wouldn't keep nearly so many people gainfully employed. Imagine how many people might be kept busy writing out future timetables for the ever-changing delivery dates. It'd even keep GPT4 busy.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,592

    NEW

    @GBNEWS understands a senior Tory MP is to call for Rishi Sunak to quit as Conservative leader in an article in a national newspaper tonight.
    One rebel source said: “Someone who the PM really looks up to is calling time on the doom loop.”


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1749897061695148342

    That doesn't really narrow it down, does it.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,698
    isam said:

    Sir Simon Clarke

    Never heard of him!

    One of the Truss Cabinet (and not someone already established and so able to keep their post), worked with Rishi in the Treasury.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,174

    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    Ian Blackford less than 3 years ago:

    "Accepting a peerage to an unelected house does not make it democratic it simply enshrines entitlement and privilege. To quote a phrase lording it over the rest of us."

    Having a go at Ruth Davidson. Its amazing how perceptions can change.

    Perceptions, principles - it's all just clay to be remoulded every new dawn. Much like a ferry timetable.
    I thought ferry timetables were a blank page. A forever future?
    Only in the western Isles. And even there they have, well, not really a time table, more of an aspiration.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    Now that David Cameron has recanted and is in favour of Brexit, who knows what else he would now be in favour of in power.

    I mean, he’s a principled man right? He only supports causes/governments he believes in?
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    Brutal.


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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,592
    kle4 said:

    isam said:

    Sir Simon Clarke

    Never heard of him!

    One of the Truss Cabinet (and not someone already established and so able to keep their post), worked with Rishi in the Treasury.

    Blimey, stood next to Sunak Simon Clarke looks really tall... he must be what, 5'10"?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,174

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    A legend in his own bathroom, no doubt.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    It would be possible for a peer to take questions in the Commons; Standing Orders could be amended. It was looked into in 1940, to take one example. And Cameron (or any peer) can resign from the Lords and stand for election, so he could return to the Commons if he really wanted to (subject to the voters, of course!).
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    isamisam Posts: 40,908
    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    Now that David Cameron has recanted and is in favour of Brexit, who knows what else he would now be in favour of in power.

    I mean, he’s a principled man right? He only supports causes/governments he believes in?
    Cameron isn’t in favour of Brexit is he? I thought that was a misinterpreted quote from an interview with Laura Kuessenberg
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,302
    Without the "s" ? Nah, almost as bad as how the Americans butcher maths:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68068503
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,302

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    It would be possible for a peer to take questions in the Commons; Standing Orders could be amended. It was looked into in 1940, to take one example. And Cameron (or any peer) can resign from the Lords and stand for election, so he could return to the Commons if he really wanted to (subject to the voters, of course!).
    He'd lose any conceivable by-election, I think.

    I'll look up those Standing Orders.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339
    edited January 23
    isam said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    Now that David Cameron has recanted and is in favour of Brexit, who knows what else he would now be in favour of in power.

    I mean, he’s a principled man right? He only supports causes/governments he believes in?
    Cameron isn’t in favour of Brexit is he? I thought that was a misinterpreted quote from an interview with Laura Kuessenberg
    He’s Foreign Secretary, he must be or else the entire agenda he’s pushing is one he doesn’t believe in. I assume he’s learned his lesson and seen the light.

    (Joking aside, I only mock him in particular because of the hyperbole he used as leader of the remain campaign. It is quite funny to watch him have be a major part of a Government post-Brexit when we’re doing really well vs his strawman).
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    isamisam Posts: 40,908
    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,949
    Senior Tories aren't what they used to be.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,335
    edited January 23

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,619

    kle4 said:

    isam said:

    Sir Simon Clarke

    Never heard of him!

    One of the Truss Cabinet (and not someone already established and so able to keep their post), worked with Rishi in the Treasury.

    Blimey, stood next to Sunak Simon Clarke looks really tall... he must be what, 5'10"?
    Nah, less than that maybe. Foreshortened photo and no dog for scale.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited January 23

    My last quasi-learned comment re: 1964 NH Primary and it's Shocking Results is languishing near end of previous thread.

    But will repeat my very trivial question

    Q - Which two candidates on the 1976 New Hampshire primary ballot were fraternity brothers while attending the same Ivy League university? clue - Along with two future SCOTUS and a future US Secretary of State.


    MoonRabbit asked IF the NH Primary was conducted by official officials OR if it was rigged.

    Personally think it IS possible for PARTY organizations to conduct free and fair elections IF they wish. For example, as far as I can tell, last week's Iowa Republican precinct caucus voting was both well organized AND on the up-and-up.

    As for New Hampshire, today's primary is conducted by public officials in each town, of which there are 271 including a few that are unorganized and have zero voters, also some with VERY few, for example Dixville (Notch) = 6 voters today.

    Addendum - Would add, that last night I actually read through an election audit report by NH Secretary of State, on elections conducted in a particular town; the audit was called for by SOS due to discrepancies in reported election numbers, which turned out to be human error.

    Thanks for the answer!

    You are very valuable to the site.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,619
    biggles said:

    isam said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    Now that David Cameron has recanted and is in favour of Brexit, who knows what else he would now be in favour of in power.

    I mean, he’s a principled man right? He only supports causes/governments he believes in?
    Cameron isn’t in favour of Brexit is he? I thought that was a misinterpreted quote from an interview with Laura Kuessenberg
    He’s Foreign Secretary, he must be or else the entire agenda he’s pushing is one he doesn’t believe in. I assume he’s learned his lesson and seen the light.
    Overt agenda, overt ...
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    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    So when are we putting David Irving on a banknote?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,174

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    And there's the rub. As it is it simply looks disloyal, self indulgent and Tory.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,949

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,325
    ....

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    Yes, it will be interesting to see if Clarke nominates anyone (even himself) or hints at anyone in his piece.
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    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    100/1 to replace Sunak.

    I'm on.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,698
    dixiedean said:

    Senior Tories aren't what they used to be.

    But with all the changes in leadership and Cabinets over the years we have more of them than ever.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,325
    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    I somehow think if the chosen candidate is Clarke, he's not making a very good start writing his own article about himself.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,339

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    Hmmm. Interesting English grammar point. If Simon Clarke wants Simon Clarke to be PM, does that count as “some” of the 300+ club he’s a member of?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,908
    “Too often today people are ready to tell us: ‘This is not possible, that is not possible.’ I say: whatever the true interest of our country calls for is always possible.”

    Get him back!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,174
    All 6 voters in Dixville Notch have apparently voted for Haley. Probably not a sign of things to come though.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,047

    NEW

    @GBNEWS understands a senior Tory MP is to call for Rishi Sunak to quit as Conservative leader in an article in a national newspaper tonight.
    One rebel source said: “Someone who the PM really looks up to is calling time on the doom loop.”


    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1749897061695148342

    The message to Sunak in full:

    Don't you understand what we're trying to say
    Can't you feel the fear we're feeling today?
    When the election is called, there'll be no running away
    There'll be no seats saved from your latest brainwave
    Take a look at the polls, they're bound to scare your soul

    And you tell me
    Over and over and over again, my friend
    How you don't believe
    We're on the eve of destruction
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    Simon Clarke writes in the Telegraph:

    “We have a clear choice. Stick with Rishi Sunak, take the inevitable electoral consequences, and give the Left a blank cheque to change Britain as they see fit.

    Or we can change leader, and give our country and party a fighting chance.”


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1749901132569219254
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,619
    edited January 23
    isam said:

    “Too often today people are ready to tell us: ‘This is not possible, that is not possible.’ I say: whatever the true interest of our country calls for is always possible.”

    Get him back!

    ...
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,949

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    So when are we putting David Irving on a banknote?
    Barry from Auf Wiedersehn Pet would be more fitting.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,698

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    He's 39 and has been an MP for even less time than Sunak had upon becoming PM, without the years as a Cabinet Minister as experience (such as that is worth, which is not much).

    I don't believe age and experience automatically lead to wisdom, but I think pitching for younger and younger PMs is a strategy which does not work when the PM is already the youngest we'd had in 200 years.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,964
    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
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    We cannot have a Smoggie as Prime Minister, it would be proof that the country has gone to the dogs.
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