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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    edited January 23
    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    Add in corrupt and the answer would be Daniel Kawczynski instead, so phrase the question precisely.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,898

    Simon Clarke writes in the Telegraph:

    “We have a clear choice. Stick with Rishi Sunak, take the inevitable electoral consequences, and give the Left a blank cheque to change Britain as they see fit.

    Or we can change leader, and give our country and party a fighting chance.”


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1749901132569219254

    Sunak only got the job in the first place, as Truss, whose Cabinet Clarke was in, polled even worse than Sunak is now
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    edited January 23

    1) we are in a recession
    2) inflation has gone up
    3) in April new brexit checks will come in boosting inflation and jeopardizing 46% of farmers accelerating the recession
    4) 60.000 companies are in financial distress and many will cave accellerating a recession
    5) key policy areas like child care and nhs waiting lists are failing
    6) once spring comes boat will kick off big time
    7) house prices are in free fall and due to inflation, interest rates will stay up
    8) polls are widening, rather than narrowing
    9) the many arms of the Parliamentary group are at war with themselves
    10) Sunak's favourability is at Truss and Johnson level at their worst, while Starmers are not glowing but respectable

    Here is my take away: things could very well suddenly unravel for the tories. MPs start taking jobs kicking off byelections, there may be defections left and right, there may be letters and leadership contests. It is not under any circumstances a given that Sunak can keep this show on the road till November. Events will take over. Slowly at first and then all of a sudden.

    Sorry Cleitophon, that's rubbish. House prices are not in freefall:

    https://www.halifax.co.uk/media-centre/house-price-index.html

    The other 9 points you make are all valid though.

    Well, that is what I read: coverage of ONS numbers across various media outlets


    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/housepriceindex/november2023

    https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/personal-finance/2024/01/17/house-prices-updates/#:~:text=Average UK house price £,since 2011, writes Jo Thornhill.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d4e9537f-a486-4b8a-bead-e51a4bc68921
    None of those links say "freefall".

    A minor 2.1% correction in house prices after double-digit percentage rises in house prices is not even a proper correction, let alone freefall.
    Try inflation adjusting those numbers my friend.
    Yes and its still not freefall.

    Over any reasonable view of time, house prices are massively, massively overvalued relative to wages. House prices are higher today than they were at the start of 2020, let alone 2010 or 2000.

    But not on a supply and demand level, because our supply has been artificially capped relative to our rising population demands.
    Look, through 2022 and 2023 we had double digit inflation. Even at stagnant house prices that means that your house lost 10% in value in real terms.. money is like a treadmill that goes ever faster or an elastic measuring tape that just keeps getting longer and longer. It is not an objective unit against which to assess value. And at 2.1% decline in housing and money still inflating at 4% ... that is still a 6% drop per annum. In the real world that is substantial. And it matters not that houses are subjectively over priced, because people are objectively tied into mortgages with those numbers on them. What it means is that people are unable to sell without losses to cover commitments and are for all intents and purposes mortgage serfs... unable.to move. Divorce coming though... you stay together or take the hit.
    What kind of economically illiterate gibberish is this?

    Houses are massively overpriced, the trivial fall in prices that has occurred don't even reverse the increase in prices since 2020 let alone before.

    But what kind of crap is this talk about "real value" or being "tied" into a mortgage because of that? That's total and utter horseshit.

    Negative equity might cause an issue for a trivially small amount of people, who'd have had to have bought in a narrow time window at a 100% mortgage, but real terms declines in costs simply makes everyone (apart from those looking to extract unearned wealth) better off, not worse off.

    If you need to sell a home and move elsewhere and prices have been stable at a time of inflation then you can do so, since you're not in negative equity, and when you do so then house prices now are lower relative to your income so a new home is more affordable not less.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,214

    We cannot have a Smoggie as Prime Minister, it would be proof that the country has gone to the dogs.

    Are you saying that the country hasn't gone to the dogs?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,370

    Simon Clarke writes in the Telegraph:

    “We have a clear choice. Stick with Rishi Sunak, take the inevitable electoral consequences, and give the Left a blank cheque to change Britain as they see fit.

    Or we can change leader, and give our country and party a fighting chance.”


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1749901132569219254

    What's this guy smoking, and where can I get some?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Has the moment come for Liz Truss?

    Yesterday was her moment.

    Today was her moment.

    Tomorrow is her moment.

    For then, for now, for always.

    T


    R


    U


    S


    S
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    We are impressed by your knowledge of such things, abovce all the Sun. But this is PB, you do understand? Here's a pat on the back and try not to do it again.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,370

    We cannot have a Smoggie as Prime Minister, it would be proof that the country has gone to the dogs.

    Are you saying that the country hasn't gone to the dogs?
    It's just a curs-ed.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    dixiedean said:

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    So when are we putting David Irving on a banknote?
    Barry from Auf Wiedersehn Pet would be more fitting.
    That's as Tory leader of course.
  • HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,988
    @RobDotHutton
    "Key members of Liz Truss's team have some thoughts they'd like to share about the qualities of a winning leader."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    edited January 23
    HYUFD said:

    Simon Clarke writes in the Telegraph:

    “We have a clear choice. Stick with Rishi Sunak, take the inevitable electoral consequences, and give the Left a blank cheque to change Britain as they see fit.

    Or we can change leader, and give our country and party a fighting chance.”


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1749901132569219254

    Sunak only got the job in the first place, as Truss, whose Cabinet Clarke was in, polled even worse than Sunak is now
    The Trussites failed, but if people had stuck it out the party honestly might be doing that much worse.

    Sunal has failed on his own terms to restore their chances, but I still think the very fact of going Boris-Truss-Sunak in such a quick span utterly tanked their reputation for competence, and shattered their internal cohesion.

    That's why I'm skeptical even replacing him with someone who is much better would work at this point, because it'd be greeted with such exasperation and, let's be honest, would still not unite the party or its voter base.

    Do better than they currently look set for? It's possible I guess, they are set for a shellacking of epic proportions, but who to choose?

    So for now I'd regard all this as post-election positioning, particularly against candidates still in government.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    It would be possible for a peer to take questions in the Commons; Standing Orders could be amended. It was looked into in 1940, to take one example. And Cameron (or any peer) can resign from the Lords and stand for election, so he could return to the Commons if he really wanted to (subject to the voters, of course!).
    Also a party leader - a person pulling all the strings as leader of party with a majority, so power in the land and whose manifesto the voters voted to be implemented, doesn’t have to be Primeminister. Do they?

    In fact being leader of party with government majority, but appointing different people to be Primeminister to take the unpopularity hit for you as you swap them out for fresh ones, is an untapped masterstroke of British politics. Truth is, it’s actually pretty politically dumb it’s not already business as usual doing this.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412
    Here's Clarke's piece - I don't have a Telegraph subscription so cannot read it:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/replace-sunak-pm-face-decade-decline-starmer-simon-clarke/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,370

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    Neither has ever been accused of being choosy when it comes to loving.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    GE now please. Do we really have to put up with another 10 months of this sh*te?
  • Remarkable how he quotes the British people as if he is in tune with them

    Deluded, out of his depth, and frankly why the conservative party needs to go into opposition
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    edited January 23
    GBNews reporting a Trussite coup. What’s going on?
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,728

    Has the moment come for Liz Truss?

    Yesterday was her moment.

    Today was her moment.

    Tomorrow is her moment.

    For then, for now, for always.

    T


    R


    U


    S


    S
    Sung like Fleetwood Mac.

    Why don't you ask him if he's going to stay?
    Why don't you ask him if he's going away?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    It would be possible for a peer to take questions in the Commons; Standing Orders could be amended. It was looked into in 1940, to take one example. And Cameron (or any peer) can resign from the Lords and stand for election, so he could return to the Commons if he really wanted to (subject to the voters, of course!).
    Also a party leader - a person pulling all the strings as leader of party with a majority, so power in the land and whose manifesto the voters voted to be implemented, doesn’t have to be Primeminister. Do they?

    In fact being leader of party with government majority, but appointing different people to be Primeminister to take the unpopularity hit for you as you swap them out for fresh ones, is an untapped masterstroke of British politics. Truth is, it’s actually pretty politically dumb it’s not already business as usual doing this.
    Sounds a bit French to me.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399

    Here's Clarke's piece - I don't have a Telegraph subscription so cannot read it:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/replace-sunak-pm-face-decade-decline-starmer-simon-clarke/

    Speaking directly to the people.
    Behind a paywall.
  • ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    Neither has ever been accused of being choosy when it comes to loving.
    I have been accused of being like Boris Johnson, we both have standards just those standards are lower than everybody else's standards.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    Remarkable how he quotes the British people as if he is in tune with them

    Deluded, out of his depth, and frankly why the conservative party needs to go into opposition
    The British people want no holds barred red blooded conservatism. That's why they support Keir Starmer by 20 points.

    (Yes, there's probably some truth to the idea that some people show as supporting the opposition out of discontent at the lack of proper Tory principles or whatever, rather than simply stay at home, but to see such a big lead?)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    dixiedean said:

    Here's Clarke's piece - I don't have a Telegraph subscription so cannot read it:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/replace-sunak-pm-face-decade-decline-starmer-simon-clarke/

    Speaking directly to the people.
    Behind a paywall.
    Before you speak to the people you need to speak to and convince your people.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ronald McDonald and Mr Blobby could be on there for all I know. Does the latest fifty feature Gordon the Gopher?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    It would be possible for a peer to take questions in the Commons; Standing Orders could be amended. It was looked into in 1940, to take one example. And Cameron (or any peer) can resign from the Lords and stand for election, so he could return to the Commons if he really wanted to (subject to the voters, of course!).
    Also a party leader - a person pulling all the strings as leader of party with a majority, so power in the land and whose manifesto the voters voted to be implemented, doesn’t have to be Primeminister. Do they?

    In fact being leader of party with government majority, but appointing different people to be Primeminister to take the unpopularity hit for you as you swap them out for fresh ones, is an untapped masterstroke of British politics. Truth is, it’s actually pretty politically dumb it’s not already business as usual doing this.
    Sounds a bit French to me.
    And Japanese?

    But is there anything in our constitution stopping it working, or just Britains party political lewdership politically illiterate to not already adopt a culture that absolutely will prolong party periods in power into multiple decades?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,287
    kle4 said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    He's 39 and has been an MP for even less time than Sunak had upon becoming PM, without the years as a Cabinet Minister as experience (such as that is worth, which is not much).

    I don't believe age and experience automatically lead to wisdom, but I think pitching for younger and younger PMs is a strategy which does not work when the PM is already the youngest we'd had in 200 years.
    Find her a safe seat. Dehenna it must be!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,307
    edited January 23
    Who the fuck is Simon Clarke?

    PS Sorry - long day. Trying to manage an investigation in Asia.

    But really who is he?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,898

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,742

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    It would be possible for a peer to take questions in the Commons; Standing Orders could be amended. It was looked into in 1940, to take one example. And Cameron (or any peer) can resign from the Lords and stand for election, so he could return to the Commons if he really wanted to (subject to the voters, of course!).
    He'd lose any conceivable by-election, I think.

    I'll look up those Standing Orders.
    I had a feeling it was mentioned in Lord Halifax's memoirs, where he discussed the objection to a PM from the Lords, but I can't find it and the index isn't sufficiently helpful. There was also the option of putting the peerage/s into abeyance (although not life peerages). I've definitely read it somewhere though.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ronald McDonald and Mr Blobby could be on there for all I know. Does the latest fifty feature Gordon the Gopher?
    It’s football managers at the moment, Wegner, Rednapp, etc
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,875

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ronald McDonald and Mr Blobby could be on there for all I know. Does the latest fifty feature Gordon the Gopher?
    My friends bought me a picture by former PB cartoonist Marf, that incorporated an Alan Turing £50 note. Unfortunately they did not realise these notes were the new standard issue, so paid over the odds to buy one from a shark on Ebay.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    Monogamy is too cruel a rule.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Who the fuck is Simon Clarke?

    PS Sorry - long day. Trying to manage an investigation in Asia.

    But really who is he?

    Former cabinet minister under Boris and Truss, supporter of both.

    Another arrogant Oxford graduate.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Cyclefree said:

    Who the fuck is Simon Clarke?

    PS Sorry - long day. Trying to manage an investigation in Asia.

    But really who is he?

    Middlesbrough MP. His local football team are currently 4-0 down in west London. Make of that what you will.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    Tories need to leave office asap, the only question is for how long.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,988
    @RobDotHutton
    "And you promise this won't make us look ridiculous?"


  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,030
    edited January 23
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    In our case 60 years in May, but if you genuinely believe marriage vows bind you for life then you are incredibly naive and does not reflect reality
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ronald McDonald and Mr Blobby could be on there for all I know. Does the latest fifty feature Gordon the Gopher?
    It’s football managers at the moment, Wegner, Rednapp, etc
    The Sam Alardyce one is only worth £40 because he takes £10 on each transaction.

    Allegedly.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631

    We cannot have a Smoggie as Prime Minister, it would be proof that the country has gone to the dogs.

    Are you saying that the country hasn't gone to the dogs?
    We need a dog for scale.
  • Lest we forget Simon Clarke was only appointed to the cabinet by Boris Johnson to troll Sunak.


    It's highly suspect! Is Boris Johnson unleashing the Big Beasts to make 5ft 6in Rishi Sunak feel small?

    A senior MP claimed Boris Johnson appoints tall MPs to annoy 5ft 6in Rishi Sunak

    Mr Johnson appointed 6ft 5in Simon Clarke as Chief Secretary to the Treasury

    Other recent Treasury appointees include Stephen Barclay and Jesse Norman

    MP said the PM is deliberately playing on Mr Sunak's 'insecurity' over his height

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10053193/Is-Boris-Johnson-unleashing-Big-Beasts-make-5ft-6in-Rishi-Sunak-feel-small.html
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    It would be possible for a peer to take questions in the Commons; Standing Orders could be amended. It was looked into in 1940, to take one example. And Cameron (or any peer) can resign from the Lords and stand for election, so he could return to the Commons if he really wanted to (subject to the voters, of course!).
    He'd lose any conceivable by-election, I think.

    I'll look up those Standing Orders.
    I had a feeling it was mentioned in Lord Halifax's memoirs, where he discussed the objection to a PM from the Lords, but I can't find it and the index isn't sufficiently helpful. There was also the option of putting the peerage/s into abeyance (although not life peerages). I've definitely read it somewhere though.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/26/brown-mandelson-lords-commons

    Gordon Brown wants Lord Mandelson to make history by becoming the first cabinet minister from the House of Lords to answer questions the dispatch box in the Commons...

    Some traditionalists are expected to resist the move to allow peers to take questions in the Commons, due to the fact that they are not elected and therefore have no right to appear in the Commons.

    Brown's letter goes further than Bercow's current plans to change the rules by Christmas to allow Mandelson and Adonis to answer questions in the mini-Commons chamber attached to the medieval Westminster Hall.

    The Speaker is said to be hoping that the parliamentary authorities, wary of bringing the Commons and the Lords closer together, will allow the two ministers to appear at the bar of the house when their departmental ministers in the Commons face the monthly business and transport questions from MPs...

    However, Bercow would eventually like to see the two peers sitting alongside their ministerial colleagues on the Commons government frontbench to answer questions.

    He signalled his support for the change during his campaign for the Commons speakership in the summer, and the move is strongly backed by Adonis and Mandelson. Adonis wrote to him to say: "I noted what you said about the possibility of secretaries of state in the Lords being subject to oral questions in the Commons. May I say that, should you and the house wish to establish a process for this to happen, I would be very willing to oblige."
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,875
    edited January 23

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    It would be possible for a peer to take questions in the Commons; Standing Orders could be amended. It was looked into in 1940, to take one example. And Cameron (or any peer) can resign from the Lords and stand for election, so he could return to the Commons if he really wanted to (subject to the voters, of course!).
    He'd lose any conceivable by-election, I think.

    I'll look up those Standing Orders.
    I had a feeling it was mentioned in Lord Halifax's memoirs, where he discussed the objection to a PM from the Lords, but I can't find it and the index isn't sufficiently helpful. There was also the option of putting the peerage/s into abeyance (although not life peerages). I've definitely read it somewhere though.
    The option to renounce peerages was introduced in the 1960s for Tony Benn, 20-odd years too late for Lord Halifax whose musings are therefore immaterial. David Cameron cannot renounce his peerage but can give up his voting rights and be elected to the House of Commons. He'd need to be in the Commons to become Tory leader again (unless the party changes its rules).
    ETA https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/peerages-can-they-be-removed/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,246
    DavidL said:

    ohnotnow said:

    DavidL said:

    Ian Blackford less than 3 years ago:

    "Accepting a peerage to an unelected house does not make it democratic it simply enshrines entitlement and privilege. To quote a phrase lording it over the rest of us."

    Having a go at Ruth Davidson. Its amazing how perceptions can change.

    Perceptions, principles - it's all just clay to be remoulded every new dawn. Much like a ferry timetable.
    I thought ferry timetables were a blank page. A forever future?
    Only in the western Isles. And even there they have, well, not really a time table, more of an aspiration.
    It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
    It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
    And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
    Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
    One equal temper of heroic hearts,
    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,815

    We cannot have a Smoggie as Prime Minister, it would be proof that the country has gone to the dogs.

    You're just a Tees!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ronald McDonald and Mr Blobby could be on there for all I know. Does the latest fifty feature Gordon the Gopher?
    It’s football managers at the moment, Wegner, Rednapp, etc
    Interesting theme. Presumably next year we’ll be doing Strictly dancing champions?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,608
    Scott_xP said:

    @RobDotHutton
    "And you promise this won't make us look ridiculous?"


    "We need a leader people can look up to."
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    kle4 said:

    How often does it work in Australia? Albanese is coming up on 2 years, it must almost be time for him to be challenged or be ousted?

    I'm sure it's right Rishi would win a challenge because of lack of clear alternatives, but we also know winning a challenge doesn't end discontent in leadership, and there is not much time to turn perceptions round after a year of at best treating water and at worst going backwards.

    Who coming out now would make a big splash?

    Only one person would make a difference.

    Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton.
    That's the only serious choice to maybe save 180-190 seats over a wipeout.

    However, it can't really work with him not being a MP anymore - you can't do PMQs from the Lords nor offer a prospectus to the British people without putting yourself up for election.
    It would be possible for a peer to take questions in the Commons; Standing Orders could be amended. It was looked into in 1940, to take one example. And Cameron (or any peer) can resign from the Lords and stand for election, so he could return to the Commons if he really wanted to (subject to the voters, of course!).
    He'd lose any conceivable by-election, I think.

    I'll look up those Standing Orders.
    I had a feeling it was mentioned in Lord Halifax's memoirs, where he discussed the objection to a PM from the Lords, but I can't find it and the index isn't sufficiently helpful. There was also the option of putting the peerage/s into abeyance (although not life peerages). I've definitely read it somewhere though.
    That’s the bit where Halifax and Churchill sit down together to decide which of them next PrImeminister, and the notes of everyone present is different. Most people beforehand thought it would be Halifax, and I think it’s in Churchills memoirs he thought Halifax used the “objection to PM from the Lords” because he was quivering like a leaf and realised he was not up to the job of leading the country in the war.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    DavidL said:

    All 6 voters in Dixville Notch have apparently voted for Haley. Probably not a sign of things to come though.

    No apparently about it, the six registered voters of town of Dixville did indeed all vote for Nikki Haley in the NH Republican presidential primary.

    She's now leading with 100% of votes counted.

    See end of previous thread, for my thrilling account of Shocking Result of 1964 NH GOP POTUS primary!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,968
    edited January 23
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    No, when you love each other you should be together for life, and marriage is an expression of that love.

    However if for whatever reason you cease to love each other, then separation is the honourable thing to do.

    I want to stay together with my life because I love her. I want her to stay with me because she loves me, not because of any vows.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,370

    Remarkable how he quotes the British people as if he is in tune with them

    Deluded, out of his depth, and frankly why the conservative party needs to go into opposition
    That's quite an achievement given his height.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,815

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    Monogamy is too cruel a rule.
    Wicked! I is 'ere in da North Ilford Ghetto, hangin' wid me bitches :lol:
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ronald McDonald and Mr Blobby could be on there for all I know. Does the latest fifty feature Gordon the Gopher?
    My friends bought me a picture by former PB cartoonist Marf, that incorporated an Alan Turing £50 note. Unfortunately they did not realise these notes were the new standard issue, so paid over the odds to buy one from a shark on Ebay.
    Eh? Presumably they were buying the cartoon not the banknote? Don’t get it!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    Are Sam Allardyce or Roy Hodgson going to rescue the Tories from relegation?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ronald McDonald and Mr Blobby could be on there for all I know. Does the latest fifty feature Gordon the Gopher?
    It’s football managers at the moment, Wegner, Rednapp, etc
    Interesting theme. Presumably next year we’ll be doing Strictly dancing champions?
    What a splendid idea!

    You ought to be put in charge of the Royal Mint, Anab.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    Priti Patel calls for unity. Irony-o-meter explodes.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    DavidL said:

    All 6 voters in Dixville Notch have apparently voted for Haley. Probably not a sign of things to come though.

    No apparently about it, the six registered voters of town of Dixville did indeed all vote for Nikki Haley in the NH Republican presidential primary.

    She's now leading with 100% of votes counted.

    See end of previous thread, for my thrilling account of Shocking Result of 1964 NH GOP POTUS primary!
    I see until Obama the residents voted Republican ever since 72.

    How long can they keep going though, the number of voters well down from the glory days.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    Jonathan said:

    Are Sam Allardyce or Roy Hodgson going to rescue the Tories from relegation?

    They could only get Iain Dowie.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ronald McDonald and Mr Blobby could be on there for all I know. Does the latest fifty feature Gordon the Gopher?
    It’s football managers at the moment, Wegner, Rednapp, etc
    Interesting theme. Presumably next year we’ll be doing Strictly dancing champions?
    What a splendid idea!

    You ought to be put in charge of the Royal Mint, Anab.
    Some on PB might say it would be like putting the fox in charge of the hen house
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,802
    DavidL said:

    All 6 voters in Dixville Notch have apparently voted for Haley. Probably not a sign of things to come though.

    Actually, on reflection the chant should be stop the count.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412
    Jonathan said:

    Priti Patel calls for unity. Irony-o-meter explodes.

    In other words - 'Very unfair to kick off another leadership contest now when I'm not ready and other people have a higher profile than I do'
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,370
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    All 6 voters in Dixville Notch have apparently voted for Haley. Probably not a sign of things to come though.

    Actually, on reflection the chant should be stop the count.
    Why the extraneous 'o'?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,815
    Scott_xP said:

    @RobDotHutton
    "And you promise this won't make us look ridiculous?"


    I "raise" you this:

    image
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,875
    edited January 23

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ronald McDonald and Mr Blobby could be on there for all I know. Does the latest fifty feature Gordon the Gopher?
    My friends bought me a picture by former PB cartoonist Marf, that incorporated an Alan Turing £50 note. Unfortunately they did not realise these notes were the new standard issue, so paid over the odds to buy one from a shark on Ebay.
    Eh? Presumably they were buying the cartoon not the banknote? Don’t get it!
    They commissioned the cartoon, for which they bought the banknote.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    T R U S T

    T R U S S
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    I take issue with the word 'getting'.

    This is getting silly.

    The Party and the country are sick and tired of MPs putting their own leadership ambitions ahead of the UK's best interests.

    https://nitter.net/DavidDavisMP/status/1749899913054323181#m

    But self evidently the Party are not sick and tired of it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    Anyway, how big a win is Trump getting in New Hampshire as a whole?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    All 6 voters in Dixville Notch have apparently voted for Haley. Probably not a sign of things to come though.

    Actually, on reflection the chant should be stop the count.
    Midnight Voting Dixville Notch - NH Primary 2024
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN6ZWv0YUgQ
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    isam said:

    All four people currently depicted on the reverse of Bank of England banknotes either died at the age of 41 or were portrayed in a film by Timothy Spall.

    https://x.com/frankmpaul/status/1749738035946668337?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Ronald McDonald and Mr Blobby could be on there for all I know. Does the latest fifty feature Gordon the Gopher?
    My friends bought me a picture by former PB cartoonist Marf, that incorporated an Alan Turing £50 note. Unfortunately they did not realise these notes were the new standard issue, so paid over the odds to buy one from a shark on Ebay.
    Eh? Presumably they were buying the cartoon not the banknote? Don’t get it!
    They commissioned the cartoon, for which they bought the banknote.
    Still struggling. They paid Marf to draw a cartoon then bought an ordinary £50 note for more than £50?

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    All 6 voters in Dixville Notch have apparently voted for Haley. Probably not a sign of things to come though.

    Actually, on reflection the chant should be stop the count.
    The o is redundant.
    Stp the count?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118


    What I want to know is how many magic lamps Starmer has and where he found them all.

    https://x.com/samfr/status/1749904520203702619?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,875

    Scott_xP said:

    @RobDotHutton
    "And you promise this won't make us look ridiculous?"


    I "raise" you this:

    image
    Which raise another question. Given Rishi Sunak owns more pound coins than the Post Office, why can't he buy a suit that fits?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,802
    kle4 said:

    Anyway, how big a win is Trump getting in New Hampshire as a whole?

    60:30 and 10 for the non runners etc. The race ends tomorrow.
  • AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    Is Tory Mayoral candidate Susan actually dumb? Dropped on her head as a child?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,898

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    No, when you love each other you should be together for life, and marriage is an expression of that love.

    However if for whatever reason you cease to love each other, then separation is the honourable thing to do.

    I want to stay together with my life because I love her. I want her to stay with me because she loves me, not because of any vows.
    If you didn't love her you wouldn't have married her in the first place.

    Marriage should be entered in as a lifelong commitment, the problem is too many nowadays get divorced on the first row or expecting eternal perfection but the whole point of marriage is relationships have ups and downs but you make a lifelong commitment to the person forsaking all others
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    Anyway, how big a win is Trump getting in New Hampshire as a whole?

    60:30 and 10 for the non runners etc. The race ends tomorrow.
    Whilst anyone who wants a career in the party has to kiss the ring, it's still pathetic seeing the few who ran and occasionally even dared criticise Trump like DeSantis and (very shortly) Haley, leap so quickly into praise and support, even as Trump insulted them so egregiously. They could at least hold off a few weeks or something to salvage a little dignity.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Scott_xP said:

    @RobDotHutton
    "And you promise this won't make us look ridiculous?"


    I "raise" you this:

    image
    Which raise another question. Given Rishi Sunak owns more pound coins than the Post Office, why can't he buy a suit that fits?
    He keeps them in the pockets?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,815
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    No, when you love each other you should be together for life, and marriage is an expression of that love.

    However if for whatever reason you cease to love each other, then separation is the honourable thing to do.

    I want to stay together with my life because I love her. I want her to stay with me because she loves me, not because of any vows.
    If you didn't love her you wouldn't have married her in the first place.

    Marriage should be entered in as a lifelong commitment, the problem is too many nowadays get divorced on the first row or expecting eternal perfection but the whole point of marriage is relationships have ups and downs but you make a lifelong commitment to the person forsaking all others
    God didn't marry the mother of His only begotten son!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    Scott_xP said:

    @RobDotHutton
    "And you promise this won't make us look ridiculous?"


    I "raise" you this:

    image
    Which raise another question. Given Rishi Sunak owns more pound coins than the Post Office, why can't he buy a suit that fits?
    Same as with Rees-Mogg, rich people don't care?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,898

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    In our case 60 years in May, but if you genuinely believe marriage vows bind you for life then you are incredibly naive and does not reflect reality
    If you aren't committed to keeping them, what is the point of making the vows in the first place?
  • Here's Clarke's piece - I don't have a Telegraph subscription so cannot read it:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/01/23/replace-sunak-pm-face-decade-decline-starmer-simon-clarke/

    www.12ft.io/whatever the original URL is
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,988

    Which raise another question. Given Rishi Sunak owns more pound coins than the Post Office, why can't he buy a suit that fits?

    Like any teenage boy he hates shopping for clothes
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    edited January 23
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @RobDotHutton
    "And you promise this won't make us look ridiculous?"


    I "raise" you this:

    image
    Which raise another question. Given Rishi Sunak owns more pound coins than the Post Office, why can't he buy a suit that fits?
    Same as with Rees-Mogg, rich people don't care?
    Mogg will be one of those tw*ts who wears his grandfather’s suits. Used to work with a cavalry officer who did that. He looked a mess as well.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    I assume this, which was on TwiX earlier, has already had an airing (I've been travelling so missed the last few pages):

    https://x.com/damocrat/status/1749897648608366792?s=20

    It is an incredible video to watch now because pretty much every single prediction is wrong. Actually takes remarkable talent to be that wrong. Hannan was more wrong on everything than all the other Brexiteers put together, even Boris.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,815
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    In our case 60 years in May, but if you genuinely believe marriage vows bind you for life then you are incredibly naive and does not reflect reality
    If you aren't committed to keeping them, what is the point of making the vows in the first place?
    Vows are spoken
    To be broken
    Feelings are intense
    Words are trivial
    Pleasures remain
    So does the pain
    Words are meaningless
    And forgettable

    All I ever wanted
    All I ever needed is here in my arms
    Words are very unnecessary
    They can only do harm
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,802
    Only in Scotland would this man still be in office:
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/official-advised-humza-yousaf-on-how-to-avoid-wearing-mask-uk-covid-inquiry-hears/ar-BB1h8apF?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=b43fa120c2b848d6a3525a92aff16b39&ei=8

    He is the one who claimed today that his advice to a colleague to delete his snapchats to avoid FOI requests was a joke but the punchline is that he did indeed delete all his snapchats.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631

    Scott_xP said:

    @RobDotHutton
    "And you promise this won't make us look ridiculous?"


    I "raise" you this:

    image
    Which raise another question. Given Rishi Sunak owns more pound coins than the Post Office, why can't he buy a suit that fits?
    The button is placed an inch or two too low, perhaps deliberately to give the impression of a longer torso. Otherwise its not a bad suit.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    DavidL said:

    Only in Scotland would this man still be in office:
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/official-advised-humza-yousaf-on-how-to-avoid-wearing-mask-uk-covid-inquiry-hears/ar-BB1h8apF?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=b43fa120c2b848d6a3525a92aff16b39&ei=8

    He is the one who claimed today that his advice to a colleague to delete his snapchats to avoid FOI requests was a joke but the punchline is that he did indeed delete all his snapchats.

    Hang on, I accept I am way out of date here, but I though Snapchat was what kids used to share “one time only” photos? Is it now a messaging thing too?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    I don’t believe a word of these rumours . Even by recent Tory standards this would be insane .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,068
    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @RobDotHutton
    "And you promise this won't make us look ridiculous?"


    I "raise" you this:

    image
    Which raise another question. Given Rishi Sunak owns more pound coins than the Post Office, why can't he buy a suit that fits?
    He keeps them in the pockets?
    Well they are preciousss... 😃
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    In our case 60 years in May, but if you genuinely believe marriage vows bind you for life then you are incredibly naive and does not reflect reality
    If you aren't committed to keeping them, what is the point of making the vows in the first place?
    People change. People evolve.

    If you evolve in different directions, then eventually a parting of the ways is the right thing to do.

    People shouldn't remain married unhappily after love has died, when they want completely different things now, just because of a mistake years ago. People should spend their lifetimes happy with someone they love, not unhappy with someone they hate.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,898

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    In our case 60 years in May, but if you genuinely believe marriage vows bind you for life then you are incredibly naive and does not reflect reality
    If you aren't committed to keeping them, what is the point of making the vows in the first place?
    Vows are spoken
    To be broken
    Feelings are intense
    Words are trivial
    Pleasures remain
    So does the pain
    Words are meaningless
    And forgettable

    All I ever wanted
    All I ever needed is here in my arms
    Words are very unnecessary
    They can only do harm
    He broke his marriage vow and left his wife and young child for a younger model he met at Westminster, now he doesn't need to be arrested for that but he shouldn't be applauded for it either
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    biggles said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tory source confirms Sir Simon Clarke is calling for a new PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1749896775484232116

    Calling for 'a new PM' is all very well but 'generic Tory' isn't an option. Indeed, 'generic Tory' is pretty much the incumbent. If you want a replacement, you really ought to say who that replacement should be.
    This is from last month.

    — plots to oust Sunak are bubbling away under the surface

    — allies of Liz Truss have held talks about coordinating letters

    some of them want Simon Clarke to be the candidate to replace him

    — Truss denies plotting. Clarke says he wants govt to succeed


    https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1733417742001156162
    If the answer is Simon Clarke then you're asking the wrong question.
    Unless the question is name a tall Tory who nobody approaching normal has ever heard of?
    And who divorced his wife for a Westminster colleague

    'The 6ft 7in Tory nicknamed Stilts stepped down as minister for regional growth and local government “for personal reasons”.

    But the MP for Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland is “head over heels in lust”.

    His teary wife Hannah looked devastated outside their Teesside home yesterday.

    She and Mr Clarke, 35, have a young son together.'
    'https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12648544/married-tory-quit-cheating-wife/
    For a moment I thought you were talking about Boris Johnson.

    You don't choose who you love, love chooses you.
    You do when you are married, you take your vows for life (and Boris at least had charisma for all his flaws in his personal life, unlike Clarke)
    No, when you love each other you should be together for life, and marriage is an expression of that love.

    However if for whatever reason you cease to love each other, then separation is the honourable thing to do.

    I want to stay together with my life because I love her. I want her to stay with me because she loves me, not because of any vows.
    If you didn't love her you wouldn't have married her in the first place.

    Marriage should be entered in as a lifelong commitment, the problem is too many nowadays get divorced on the first row or expecting eternal perfection but the whole point of marriage is relationships have ups and downs but you make a lifelong commitment to the person forsaking all others
    Point of order. My agreement with my wife was that I’d forsake all others except for Keira Knightley.

    So far though, Keira is playing it cool.
    Celsius or Fahrenheit? Or (more likely) Kelvin?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    Has the moment come for Liz Truss?

    And gone.
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