Iceland: Incumbent president of Iceland, Guðni Th. Jóhannesson (*), has announced that he is not running for re-election in Iceland’s 2024 Presidential elections.
Jóhannesson has been president since 2016. He has served two terms and consistently attains approval ratings over 90%.
The position of President in Iceland is largely ceremonial. The next election is scheduled for June 1st, 2024."
Well good luck to everyone on here with losing weight. It's definitely worth it if you're carrying too much. I'd actually like to put some on if anything but at 63 it's hard to get it in the right places. Eg a larger head would be good, also shoulders, arms and legs, but what you don't want is a big flabby belly falling over your beltline. This is what I think I'd get if I became heavier. Even as it is my 'middle' is not exactly taut. I can grab quite a handful.
I think we can reliably confirm that eating more isn't going to give you a bigger head....
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
With southern Europeans (Italians and Greeks also do well with life expectancy), it's probably as much cultural as dietary. Food has a more central role within their cultures, such that they (at all social classes) care about what they eat and drink in a way that northern Europeans simply don't. A cultural interest in food and cooking and the quality and origins of what you eat, and a still greater focus on sitting down to eat with others rather than snacking on the go, gets you half way there.
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
These are very good questions which I cannot answer. I liked the idea of a Mediterranean diet because it included the odd glass of wine but that wasn't perhaps the best motive!
A lot ot the "benefit" of the Meditteranean diet is, I am sure, actually down to lifestyle
Get lots of fresh air and sunshine, stroll down boulevards, socialise with people in outdoor cafes....
Hard to do that in Glasgow
I'm looking forward to Malc interpreting that as an attack on Scindy.....
With regards to weight, I am bemused but determined. When Covid struck I was going to the gym regularly, could do a 10k run, got my bike out and built up to doing the 65k from Thornaby to Newcastle.
What the hell happened to me? Oh yeah, the happy pills. OK so I managed to wean myself off them once I moved up here. And have gone back to running and even occasionally cycling. But its sporadic, with the mental push to keep fit largely gone.
So the plan for this year is get me fixed. My excess weight and lack of fitness makes me unhappy. So make myself happy by fixing it! Last year I fell off the diet wagon too quickly. But this isn't diet. This is life extension. As I will live longer if I do this...
You need to find something that works for you, and I don't believe (any more) the clichéd nonsense of "just eat less and move more" since not everyone is the same and different things work for different people. I certainly don't believe nonsensical failed food pyramids and five-a-day BS that has helped fuel a rise in obesity.
Personally I've tried multiple different diets but the one I've found works very well for me (and others I know who've tried it) is a low-carb diet. I'm on an extreme version of a ketogenic carnivore diet - almost all I meat is meat, eggs, cheese and dairy. I try to cut out sugars, including fruit, processed carbs, and almost any vegetable that grows underground - most vegetables that grow above ground are OK with this diet but not necessary, since you can get all the nutrition you need from meats and eggs etc anyway.
While I'm on this diet I find my appetite is very suppressed, I'm simply not hungry most of the time and eat at my meal times only, without snacking in-between, simply as I'm no longer hungry in-between. From the science I've read it seems that carbs especially sugars cause blood sugar spikes and then crashes in people and its those crashes that cause you to become hungry/peckish again despite the fact that you've already consumed all the fuel you need, remove that carb/insulin-led crash and be fuelled with proteins and fats and you're satiated for much longer. I personally suspect that's also why some people struggle more than others with their weight, they're probably more susceptible to feeling the blood sugar crashes and it doesn't help that for far, far, far too long the failed advice has been to eat fewer fats and more carbs which is the polar opposite of what many people need I now believe.
Plus personally as far as I'm concerned the quality of what I'm eating is much more pleasant on this diet anyway. I'm having something like bacon and eggs for breakfast then have been packing my own lunches to take to work rather than eating any offered food, typically bringing something like a cooked piece of meat and some cheese, or something like chorizo and some nice cheeses. Just don't have the crackers with the cheese and its both really pleasant and very healthy.
Interesting
I have a friend on a keto diet and he's definitely lost weight but he says there are "unpleasant sid effects" - I think he means halitosis and loose bowels. Not the nicest
Do you eat any carbs at all? No bread, rice, nothing?
Presumably that also means you are careful with booze? Which can be quite carby?
I try to avoid all carbs, which I acknowledge is extreme. I've semi-suspended my diet over the festive period until I return to work on 8th January though so I could enjoy Christmas treats.
Alcohol is fine, but I mainly drink rum with sugarfree lemonade so there's not much carbs in that. Often with alcohol its a case of then wanting to eat while having drank that makes you struggle more, but I stick to cheeses and deli meats if I snack at night and I'm fine with that.
Most unpleasant side effects happen within the first three weeks, as your body adjusts, which can put many people off continuing with the diet, but after three weeks I found the side effects had all gone. I'm in a Keto Discord group for support discussions, and the advice there is that side effects, aside from transitionary ones, is normally caused by a shortage of electrolytes (sodium, calcium and potassium) compared to what people would have had when having carbs. I've been making sure to put plenty of salt (sodium) on my meat when I cook it, and in my eggs too. Calcium I'm getting from my cheese, and potassium from the bacon.
Indeed actually I feel all-round better than I did before the diet, not just because my clothes feel better and I feel better in myself, but even mentally I feel both more clear, stable and healthier.
Again I suspect its linked to having more stable blood sugar levels now rather than regular spikes and crashes.
Impressive levels of commitment!
I would personally find all that quite daunting, which is why I take the fasting route, but chacun a son gout
One of the advantages of fasting is that it definitely gives you mental clarity. The energy your body would normally direct towards digesting dinner goes instead to your brain, I find I definitely think quicker and clearer: I try and coincide fasts with days when I have harder intellectual tasks and lots of brainwork to do
The downside is that when you break the fast you REALLY slow down for a few hours, mentally
Both you and Barty going on about mental clarity and stability must surely have others of us scratching their heads....
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
But if you are dieting, you want results. And losing four pounds seems so much more of a result than losing a kilo and some.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
My car (German car originally sold in Japan) has kilometers per litre as the primary measure of fuel economy, which in my mind is easier to get my head around than the usual litres/100km metric measure.
9km/l is c.25mpg (multiply by 4.54 and divide by 1.61)
Bloody hell, what do you drive?
2005 Mercedes E500 Wagon.
I only have the 5 litre one with 300bhp, they also did a 6.2 litre one with 500bhp, the E63 AMG. But those are a lot more expensive to buy and run, and I really want one!
Petrol is cheap where I live (60p/litre) and it’s both cheaper and better for the environment to keep old cars running, than to keep making more new ones.
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
Rice has one of the lowest glycemic index rates of all the main carbs, which means it converts to blood sugar slower and causes blood sugar crashes slower. Diets rich in potatoes and sugar have the peaks and crashes much worse.
Cutting out rice is extreme, I acknowledge my diet is an extreme one. When I am at a weight I want to stabilise at, rather than seeking to lose weight, I would be happy to add rice back in to my diet.
Well good luck to everyone on here with losing weight. It's definitely worth it if you're carrying too much. I'd actually like to put some on if anything but at 63 it's hard to get it in the right places. Eg a larger head would be good, also shoulders, arms and legs, but what you don't want is a big flabby belly falling over your beltline. This is what I think I'd get if I became heavier. Even as it is my 'middle' is not exactly taut. I can grab quite a handful.
I think we can reliably confirm that eating more isn't going to give you a bigger head....
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
These are very good questions which I cannot answer. I liked the idea of a Mediterranean diet because it included the odd glass of wine but that wasn't perhaps the best motive!
A lot ot the "benefit" of the Meditteranean diet is, I am sure, actually down to lifestyle
Get lots of fresh air and sunshine, stroll down boulevards, socialise with people in outdoor cafes....
Hard to do that in Glasgow
You can work off a fair few calories in a good pub brawl, I'm sure?
With regards to weight, I am bemused but determined. When Covid struck I was going to the gym regularly, could do a 10k run, got my bike out and built up to doing the 65k from Thornaby to Newcastle.
What the hell happened to me? Oh yeah, the happy pills. OK so I managed to wean myself off them once I moved up here. And have gone back to running and even occasionally cycling. But its sporadic, with the mental push to keep fit largely gone.
So the plan for this year is get me fixed. My excess weight and lack of fitness makes me unhappy. So make myself happy by fixing it! Last year I fell off the diet wagon too quickly. But this isn't diet. This is life extension. As I will live longer if I do this...
You need to find something that works for you, and I don't believe (any more) the clichéd nonsense of "just eat less and move more" since not everyone is the same and different things work for different people. I certainly don't believe nonsensical failed food pyramids and five-a-day BS that has helped fuel a rise in obesity.
Personally I've tried multiple different diets but the one I've found works very well for me (and others I know who've tried it) is a low-carb diet. I'm on an extreme version of a ketogenic carnivore diet - almost all I meat is meat, eggs, cheese and dairy. I try to cut out sugars, including fruit, processed carbs, and almost any vegetable that grows underground - most vegetables that grow above ground are OK with this diet but not necessary, since you can get all the nutrition you need from meats and eggs etc anyway.
While I'm on this diet I find my appetite is very suppressed, I'm simply not hungry most of the time and eat at my meal times only, without snacking in-between, simply as I'm no longer hungry in-between. From the science I've read it seems that carbs especially sugars cause blood sugar spikes and then crashes in people and its those crashes that cause you to become hungry/peckish again despite the fact that you've already consumed all the fuel you need, remove that carb/insulin-led crash and be fuelled with proteins and fats and you're satiated for much longer. I personally suspect that's also why some people struggle more than others with their weight, they're probably more susceptible to feeling the blood sugar crashes and it doesn't help that for far, far, far too long the failed advice has been to eat fewer fats and more carbs which is the polar opposite of what many people need I now believe.
Plus personally as far as I'm concerned the quality of what I'm eating is much more pleasant on this diet anyway. I'm having something like bacon and eggs for breakfast then have been packing my own lunches to take to work rather than eating any offered food, typically bringing something like a cooked piece of meat and some cheese, or something like chorizo and some nice cheeses. Just don't have the crackers with the cheese and its both really pleasant and very healthy.
Interesting
I have a friend on a keto diet and he's definitely lost weight but he says there are "unpleasant sid effects" - I think he means halitosis and loose bowels. Not the nicest
Do you eat any carbs at all? No bread, rice, nothing?
Presumably that also means you are careful with booze? Which can be quite carby?
I try to avoid all carbs, which I acknowledge is extreme. I've semi-suspended my diet over the festive period until I return to work on 8th January though so I could enjoy Christmas treats.
Alcohol is fine, but I mainly drink rum with sugarfree lemonade so there's not much carbs in that. Often with alcohol its a case of then wanting to eat while having drank that makes you struggle more, but I stick to cheeses and deli meats if I snack at night and I'm fine with that.
Most unpleasant side effects happen within the first three weeks, as your body adjusts, which can put many people off continuing with the diet, but after three weeks I found the side effects had all gone. I'm in a Keto Discord group for support discussions, and the advice there is that side effects, aside from transitionary ones, is normally caused by a shortage of electrolytes (sodium, calcium and potassium) compared to what people would have had when having carbs. I've been making sure to put plenty of salt (sodium) on my meat when I cook it, and in my eggs too. Calcium I'm getting from my cheese, and potassium from the bacon.
Indeed actually I feel all-round better than I did before the diet, not just because my clothes feel better and I feel better in myself, but even mentally I feel both more clear, stable and healthier.
Again I suspect its linked to having more stable blood sugar levels now rather than regular spikes and crashes.
Impressive levels of commitment!
I would personally find all that quite daunting, which is why I take the fasting route, but chacun a son gout
One of the advantages of fasting is that it definitely gives you mental clarity. The energy your body would normally direct towards digesting dinner goes instead to your brain, I find I definitely think quicker and clearer: I try and coincide fasts with days when I have harder intellectual tasks and lots of brainwork to do
The downside is that when you break the fast you REALLY slow down for a few hours, mentally
Both you and Barty going on about mental clarity and stability must surely have others of us scratching their heads....
LOL!
Though I'm almost never posted here in the last few months since I started this diet.
Buried in the "oh yes we did" / "oh no you didn't" row about the Home Office and Rishi's backlog was the news that 67% of asylum applications have been approved.
The previous Home Secretary said that "most" of these so-called asylum cases were bogus. Wrong. Most are approved - and as there is no legal way to apply it shouldn't be a surprise.
The gammon will be most unhappy. Clearing the backlog - not that this has happened - was supposed to be part of sending the foreign invaders home, not welcoming them in...
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
But if you are dieting, you want results. And losing four pounds seems so much more of a result than losing a kilo and some.
Which is also the good thing about km on a long drive; you get through them quicker.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
My car (German car originally sold in Japan) has kilometers per litre as the primary measure of fuel economy, which in my mind is easier to get my head around than the usual litres/100km metric measure.
9km/l is c.25mpg (multiply by 4.54 and divide by 1.61)
I just remember that 50mpg - which is typically what I get on my European road trips - is 17.7 km/L.
Ha, you have a newer car than me then, and probably not one with a 5 litre V8 under the bonnet!
But hey, I paid 60p a litre for petrol on the way to work this morning.
Though I'm curious who pays more (net) for their fuel.
Yes petrol's expensive here, but with my new car I filled my tank last week for just under £40.
Which has been a very pleasant surprise since I changed cars!
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
These are very good questions which I cannot answer. I liked the idea of a Mediterranean diet because it included the odd glass of wine but that wasn't perhaps the best motive!
After a bit of a wake-up call last summer when I discovered that I had high blood pressure, I've managed to lose almost a stone over the past 6 months and have even got through Christmas without putting any back on. In the end, for me, it simply comes down to being disciplined about quantities for breakfast (max 100g cereal) and lunch (max 3 slices bread), not snacking, and recording my weight every day for feedback purposes. Also making sure I get some exercise every day - either a brisk walk for 30 mins or an hour of weight training (twice a week). Then I find I can pretty much eat as I please for dinner. My blood pressure is down, and, rather satisfyingly, I've gone down a trouser waist size.
The important thing is that this is all stuff I can do without too much effort or commitment. No 10k runs at dawn or weird dieting. I've tried cutting back carbs (made me miserable) and fasting (end up thinking only of next meal) but these diets were ultimately unsustainable. In contrast, I'm confident that I can easily continue this trend and will hopefully be back to a BMI of 25 or so by next summer :-)
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
Rice has one of the lowest glycemic index rates of all the main carbs, which means it converts to blood sugar slower and causes blood sugar crashes slower. Diets rich in potatoes and sugar have the peaks and crashes much worse.
Cutting out rice is extreme, I acknowledge my diet is an extreme one. When I am at a weight I want to stabilise at, rather than seeking to lose weight, I would be happy to add rice back in to my diet.
Eating a lot of fish is clearly good for you. Very different countries (and cuisines) with high fish consumption also feature in the list of nations with highest life expectancies: Norway, Macao, Korea, Japan, Iceland, Hong Kong
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
These are very good questions which I cannot answer. I liked the idea of a Mediterranean diet because it included the odd glass of wine but that wasn't perhaps the best motive!
A lot ot the "benefit" of the Meditteranean diet is, I am sure, actually down to lifestyle
Get lots of fresh air and sunshine, stroll down boulevards, socialise with people in outdoor cafes....
Hard to do that in Glasgow
Harder, but not impossible weather-wise. The number of truly grim "just stay at home" days (like today) is lower than we might think.
But you do need the boulevards, and then we're back to housing and suburban sprawl;
The average Japanese walks thousands more steps than the average American every day. What’s more, nearly all Japanese walk a lot, whereas in most cities American activity is much more unequal, split between enthusiastic exercisers and those who drive everywhere.
With regards to weight, I am bemused but determined. When Covid struck I was going to the gym regularly, could do a 10k run, got my bike out and built up to doing the 65k from Thornaby to Newcastle.
What the hell happened to me? Oh yeah, the happy pills. OK so I managed to wean myself off them once I moved up here. And have gone back to running and even occasionally cycling. But its sporadic, with the mental push to keep fit largely gone.
So the plan for this year is get me fixed. My excess weight and lack of fitness makes me unhappy. So make myself happy by fixing it! Last year I fell off the diet wagon too quickly. But this isn't diet. This is life extension. As I will live longer if I do this...
You need to find something that works for you, and I don't believe (any more) the clichéd nonsense of "just eat less and move more" since not everyone is the same and different things work for different people. I certainly don't believe nonsensical failed food pyramids and five-a-day BS that has helped fuel a rise in obesity.
Personally I've tried multiple different diets but the one I've found works very well for me (and others I know who've tried it) is a low-carb diet. I'm on an extreme version of a ketogenic carnivore diet - almost all I meat is meat, eggs, cheese and dairy. I try to cut out sugars, including fruit, processed carbs, and almost any vegetable that grows underground - most vegetables that grow above ground are OK with this diet but not necessary, since you can get all the nutrition you need from meats and eggs etc anyway.
While I'm on this diet I find my appetite is very suppressed, I'm simply not hungry most of the time and eat at my meal times only, without snacking in-between, simply as I'm no longer hungry in-between. From the science I've read it seems that carbs especially sugars cause blood sugar spikes and then crashes in people and its those crashes that cause you to become hungry/peckish again despite the fact that you've already consumed all the fuel you need, remove that carb/insulin-led crash and be fuelled with proteins and fats and you're satiated for much longer. I personally suspect that's also why some people struggle more than others with their weight, they're probably more susceptible to feeling the blood sugar crashes and it doesn't help that for far, far, far too long the failed advice has been to eat fewer fats and more carbs which is the polar opposite of what many people need I now believe.
Plus personally as far as I'm concerned the quality of what I'm eating is much more pleasant on this diet anyway. I'm having something like bacon and eggs for breakfast then have been packing my own lunches to take to work rather than eating any offered food, typically bringing something like a cooked piece of meat and some cheese, or something like chorizo and some nice cheeses. Just don't have the crackers with the cheese and its both really pleasant and very healthy.
Interesting
I have a friend on a keto diet and he's definitely lost weight but he says there are "unpleasant sid effects" - I think he means halitosis and loose bowels. Not the nicest
Do you eat any carbs at all? No bread, rice, nothing?
Presumably that also means you are careful with booze? Which can be quite carby?
I try to avoid all carbs, which I acknowledge is extreme. I've semi-suspended my diet over the festive period until I return to work on 8th January though so I could enjoy Christmas treats.
Alcohol is fine, but I mainly drink rum with sugarfree lemonade so there's not much carbs in that. Often with alcohol its a case of then wanting to eat while having drank that makes you struggle more, but I stick to cheeses and deli meats if I snack at night and I'm fine with that.
Most unpleasant side effects happen within the first three weeks, as your body adjusts, which can put many people off continuing with the diet, but after three weeks I found the side effects had all gone. I'm in a Keto Discord group for support discussions, and the advice there is that side effects, aside from transitionary ones, is normally caused by a shortage of electrolytes (sodium, calcium and potassium) compared to what people would have had when having carbs. I've been making sure to put plenty of salt (sodium) on my meat when I cook it, and in my eggs too. Calcium I'm getting from my cheese, and potassium from the bacon.
Indeed actually I feel all-round better than I did before the diet, not just because my clothes feel better and I feel better in myself, but even mentally I feel both more clear, stable and healthier.
Again I suspect its linked to having more stable blood sugar levels now rather than regular spikes and crashes.
Impressive levels of commitment!
I would personally find all that quite daunting, which is why I take the fasting route, but chacun a son gout
One of the advantages of fasting is that it definitely gives you mental clarity. The energy your body would normally direct towards digesting dinner goes instead to your brain, I find I definitely think quicker and clearer: I try and coincide fasts with days when I have harder intellectual tasks and lots of brainwork to do
The downside is that when you break the fast you REALLY slow down for a few hours, mentally
I know what you mean by mental clarity, Keto gives the mental clarity too. Its remarkable what a difference it makes. Again I suspect that's due to blood sugar levels and keto/fasting are achieving the same thing, just keto is more consistent whereas fasting is more stop/start.
Though since keto is rather an appetite suppressant since you're not having the blood sugar crashes, fasting and keto work very well together. Many people do fasting with keto, though I stick to three meals just because I prefer it.
The biggest and most useful change I ever made to my diet is not eating breakfast before 10. I realise this is a luxury that working for oneself makes possible, but I reckon I get 40% of my day's work done before then, and the clarity is remarkable.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Iceland: Incumbent president of Iceland, Guðni Th. Jóhannesson (*), has announced that he is not running for re-election in Iceland’s 2024 Presidential elections.
Jóhannesson has been president since 2016. He has served two terms and consistently attains approval ratings over 90%.
The position of President in Iceland is largely ceremonial. The next election is scheduled for June 1st, 2024."
I get the impression the approval ratings of ceremonial presidents, however elected, do track closer to those of monarchs than to those of politicians, but I take that from seeing a small number of polls.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
MPL would be a uniquely British oddity - but at least its something you can understand. 11 miles per litre. OK, a litre is £1.299 so thats 11.8p per mile. 50mpg. A gallon is errrr etc
Yes. Miles per litre works as a practical measure - we buy in litres and drive miles. True, it's not consistent with either wider system but it is at least meaningful.
With regards to weight, I am bemused but determined. When Covid struck I was going to the gym regularly, could do a 10k run, got my bike out and built up to doing the 65k from Thornaby to Newcastle.
What the hell happened to me? Oh yeah, the happy pills. OK so I managed to wean myself off them once I moved up here. And have gone back to running and even occasionally cycling. But its sporadic, with the mental push to keep fit largely gone.
So the plan for this year is get me fixed. My excess weight and lack of fitness makes me unhappy. So make myself happy by fixing it! Last year I fell off the diet wagon too quickly. But this isn't diet. This is life extension. As I will live longer if I do this...
You need to find something that works for you, and I don't believe (any more) the clichéd nonsense of "just eat less and move more" since not everyone is the same and different things work for different people. I certainly don't believe nonsensical failed food pyramids and five-a-day BS that has helped fuel a rise in obesity.
Personally I've tried multiple different diets but the one I've found works very well for me (and others I know who've tried it) is a low-carb diet. I'm on an extreme version of a ketogenic carnivore diet - almost all I meat is meat, eggs, cheese and dairy. I try to cut out sugars, including fruit, processed carbs, and almost any vegetable that grows underground - most vegetables that grow above ground are OK with this diet but not necessary, since you can get all the nutrition you need from meats and eggs etc anyway.
While I'm on this diet I find my appetite is very suppressed, I'm simply not hungry most of the time and eat at my meal times only, without snacking in-between, simply as I'm no longer hungry in-between. From the science I've read it seems that carbs especially sugars cause blood sugar spikes and then crashes in people and its those crashes that cause you to become hungry/peckish again despite the fact that you've already consumed all the fuel you need, remove that carb/insulin-led crash and be fuelled with proteins and fats and you're satiated for much longer. I personally suspect that's also why some people struggle more than others with their weight, they're probably more susceptible to feeling the blood sugar crashes and it doesn't help that for far, far, far too long the failed advice has been to eat fewer fats and more carbs which is the polar opposite of what many people need I now believe.
Plus personally as far as I'm concerned the quality of what I'm eating is much more pleasant on this diet anyway. I'm having something like bacon and eggs for breakfast then have been packing my own lunches to take to work rather than eating any offered food, typically bringing something like a cooked piece of meat and some cheese, or something like chorizo and some nice cheeses. Just don't have the crackers with the cheese and its both really pleasant and very healthy.
Interesting
I have a friend on a keto diet and he's definitely lost weight but he says there are "unpleasant sid effects" - I think he means halitosis and loose bowels. Not the nicest
Do you eat any carbs at all? No bread, rice, nothing?
Presumably that also means you are careful with booze? Which can be quite carby?
I try to avoid all carbs, which I acknowledge is extreme. I've semi-suspended my diet over the festive period until I return to work on 8th January though so I could enjoy Christmas treats.
Alcohol is fine, but I mainly drink rum with sugarfree lemonade so there's not much carbs in that. Often with alcohol its a case of then wanting to eat while having drank that makes you struggle more, but I stick to cheeses and deli meats if I snack at night and I'm fine with that.
Most unpleasant side effects happen within the first three weeks, as your body adjusts, which can put many people off continuing with the diet, but after three weeks I found the side effects had all gone. I'm in a Keto Discord group for support discussions, and the advice there is that side effects, aside from transitionary ones, is normally caused by a shortage of electrolytes (sodium, calcium and potassium) compared to what people would have had when having carbs. I've been making sure to put plenty of salt (sodium) on my meat when I cook it, and in my eggs too. Calcium I'm getting from my cheese, and potassium from the bacon.
Indeed actually I feel all-round better than I did before the diet, not just because my clothes feel better and I feel better in myself, but even mentally I feel both more clear, stable and healthier.
Again I suspect its linked to having more stable blood sugar levels now rather than regular spikes and crashes.
Impressive levels of commitment!
I would personally find all that quite daunting, which is why I take the fasting route, but chacun a son gout
One of the advantages of fasting is that it definitely gives you mental clarity. The energy your body would normally direct towards digesting dinner goes instead to your brain, I find I definitely think quicker and clearer: I try and coincide fasts with days when I have harder intellectual tasks and lots of brainwork to do
The downside is that when you break the fast you REALLY slow down for a few hours, mentally
I know what you mean by mental clarity, Keto gives the mental clarity too. Its remarkable what a difference it makes. Again I suspect that's due to blood sugar levels and keto/fasting are achieving the same thing, just keto is more consistent whereas fasting is more stop/start.
Though since keto is rather an appetite suppressant since you're not having the blood sugar crashes, fasting and keto work very well together. Many people do fasting with keto, though I stick to three meals just because I prefer it.
The biggest and most useful change I ever made to my diet is not eating breakfast before 10. I realise this is a luxury that working for oneself makes possible, but I reckon I get 40% of my day's work done before then, and the clarity is remarkable.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
My car (German car originally sold in Japan) has kilometers per litre as the primary measure of fuel economy, which in my mind is easier to get my head around than the usual litres/100km metric measure.
9km/l is c.25mpg (multiply by 4.54 and divide by 1.61)
I just remember that 50mpg - which is typically what I get on my European road trips - is 17.7 km/L.
Ha, you have a newer car than me then, and probably not one with a 5 litre V8 under the bonnet!
But hey, I paid 60p a litre for petrol on the way to work this morning.
Though I'm curious who pays more (net) for their fuel.
Yes petrol's expensive here, but with my new car I filled my tank last week for just under £40.
Which has been a very pleasant surprise since I changed cars!
New cars are a lot more fuel efficient than old cars, almost all are now turbocharged or hybridised (or both) and there’s tighter standards to meet when new, aided by tax incentives on VED and fuel.
This does feed into reliability issues later on though, as the complex emissions systems become difficult to maintain over time. The peak of reliability was probably 2002-2012, when low-stress n/a engines dominated. Mine will run forever so long as I change the oil occasionally, although it does have air suspension which needed replacement of the rubber bags. They were designed as German taxis!
As @IanB2 suggested, his car is roughly twice as efficient as mine, and he pays roughly double for petrol, so it’s probably a wash.
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
With southern Europeans (Italians and Greeks also do well with life expectancy), it's probably as much cultural as dietary. Food has a more central role within their cultures, such that they (at all social classes) care about what they eat and drink in a way that northern Europeans simply don't. A cultural interest in food and cooking and the quality and origins of what you eat, and a still greater focus on sitting down to eat with others rather than snacking on the go, gets you half way there.
Perhaps it's in the genes
Immigrant groups typically come to match their host population's mortality stats, suggesting it's about diet and habits rather than genes.
Buried in the "oh yes we did" / "oh no you didn't" row about the Home Office and Rishi's backlog was the news that 67% of asylum applications have been approved.
The previous Home Secretary said that "most" of these so-called asylum cases were bogus. Wrong. Most are approved - and as there is no legal way to apply it shouldn't be a surprise.
The gammon will be most unhappy. Clearing the backlog - not that this has happened - was supposed to be part of sending the foreign invaders home, not welcoming them in...
Congratulations too for Rishi/Cleverly reducing boat numbers by 36%.
If the weather in the Channel remains horrendous for the entire 12 months of 2024, rather than just the 9 months of horrendous weather we had in the Channel in 2023, Rishi/Cleverly will indeed reduce boat numbers further.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
MPL would be a uniquely British oddity - but at least its something you can understand. 11 miles per litre. OK, a litre is £1.299 so thats 11.8p per mile. 50mpg. A gallon is errrr etc
Yes. Miles per litre works as a practical measure - we buy in litres and drive miles. True, it's not consistent with either wider system but it is at least meaningful.
Yes I third that point, I would far rather MPL be quoted than anything else.
Although I've also started thinking in miles per pound, but that fluctuates wildly depending upon fuel prices. When I filled up time before last I reset my trip meter, when I filled up again last time I took my miles driven (323.3 miles) and cost of fuel purchased (£39.96 - not deliberately stopping at £40, that was a coincidence, tank was full) to calculate that current cost was 8 miles per pound of unleaded.
Worth a read, whilst Leon is safely away in the gym (warning, quite negative on Ukraine):
When asked in 2020 to envisage the world after Covid, Michel Houellebecq proclaimed, accurately enough, that “it will be the same, just a bit worse”. It does not take a soothsayer to foresee that the same will hold true for this coming year.
The year 2023 saw the greatest global resurgence of armed conflict since 1945: 2024 will be worse. We are living, if not through a World War, then a world at war, the great post-globalisation jostling to divide up the spoils of what was once America’s unipolar imperium. This will be as epoch-defining a period as the late Forties were for Britain, or 1991 for Russia.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
My car (German car originally sold in Japan) has kilometers per litre as the primary measure of fuel economy, which in my mind is easier to get my head around than the usual litres/100km metric measure.
9km/l is c.25mpg (multiply by 4.54 and divide by 1.61)
Bloody hell, what do you drive?
2005 Mercedes E500 Wagon.
I only have the 5 litre one with 300bhp, they also did a 6.2 litre one with 500bhp, the E63 AMG. But those are a lot more expensive to buy and run, and I really want one!
Petrol is cheap where I live (60p/litre) and it’s both cheaper and better for the environment to keep old cars running, than to keep making more new ones.
With regards to weight, I am bemused but determined. When Covid struck I was going to the gym regularly, could do a 10k run, got my bike out and built up to doing the 65k from Thornaby to Newcastle.
What the hell happened to me? Oh yeah, the happy pills. OK so I managed to wean myself off them once I moved up here. And have gone back to running and even occasionally cycling. But its sporadic, with the mental push to keep fit largely gone.
So the plan for this year is get me fixed. My excess weight and lack of fitness makes me unhappy. So make myself happy by fixing it! Last year I fell off the diet wagon too quickly. But this isn't diet. This is life extension. As I will live longer if I do this...
You need to find something that works for you, and I don't believe (any more) the clichéd nonsense of "just eat less and move more" since not everyone is the same and different things work for different people. I certainly don't believe nonsensical failed food pyramids and five-a-day BS that has helped fuel a rise in obesity.
Personally I've tried multiple different diets but the one I've found works very well for me (and others I know who've tried it) is a low-carb diet. I'm on an extreme version of a ketogenic carnivore diet - almost all I meat is meat, eggs, cheese and dairy. I try to cut out sugars, including fruit, processed carbs, and almost any vegetable that grows underground - most vegetables that grow above ground are OK with this diet but not necessary, since you can get all the nutrition you need from meats and eggs etc anyway.
While I'm on this diet I find my appetite is very suppressed, I'm simply not hungry most of the time and eat at my meal times only, without snacking in-between, simply as I'm no longer hungry in-between. From the science I've read it seems that carbs especially sugars cause blood sugar spikes and then crashes in people and its those crashes that cause you to become hungry/peckish again despite the fact that you've already consumed all the fuel you need, remove that carb/insulin-led crash and be fuelled with proteins and fats and you're satiated for much longer. I personally suspect that's also why some people struggle more than others with their weight, they're probably more susceptible to feeling the blood sugar crashes and it doesn't help that for far, far, far too long the failed advice has been to eat fewer fats and more carbs which is the polar opposite of what many people need I now believe.
Plus personally as far as I'm concerned the quality of what I'm eating is much more pleasant on this diet anyway. I'm having something like bacon and eggs for breakfast then have been packing my own lunches to take to work rather than eating any offered food, typically bringing something like a cooked piece of meat and some cheese, or something like chorizo and some nice cheeses. Just don't have the crackers with the cheese and its both really pleasant and very healthy.
Interesting
I have a friend on a keto diet and he's definitely lost weight but he says there are "unpleasant sid effects" - I think he means halitosis and loose bowels. Not the nicest
Do you eat any carbs at all? No bread, rice, nothing?
Presumably that also means you are careful with booze? Which can be quite carby?
I try to avoid all carbs, which I acknowledge is extreme. I've semi-suspended my diet over the festive period until I return to work on 8th January though so I could enjoy Christmas treats.
Alcohol is fine, but I mainly drink rum with sugarfree lemonade so there's not much carbs in that. Often with alcohol its a case of then wanting to eat while having drank that makes you struggle more, but I stick to cheeses and deli meats if I snack at night and I'm fine with that.
Most unpleasant side effects happen within the first three weeks, as your body adjusts, which can put many people off continuing with the diet, but after three weeks I found the side effects had all gone. I'm in a Keto Discord group for support discussions, and the advice there is that side effects, aside from transitionary ones, is normally caused by a shortage of electrolytes (sodium, calcium and potassium) compared to what people would have had when having carbs. I've been making sure to put plenty of salt (sodium) on my meat when I cook it, and in my eggs too. Calcium I'm getting from my cheese, and potassium from the bacon.
Indeed actually I feel all-round better than I did before the diet, not just because my clothes feel better and I feel better in myself, but even mentally I feel both more clear, stable and healthier.
Again I suspect its linked to having more stable blood sugar levels now rather than regular spikes and crashes.
Impressive levels of commitment!
I would personally find all that quite daunting, which is why I take the fasting route, but chacun a son gout
One of the advantages of fasting is that it definitely gives you mental clarity. The energy your body would normally direct towards digesting dinner goes instead to your brain, I find I definitely think quicker and clearer: I try and coincide fasts with days when I have harder intellectual tasks and lots of brainwork to do
The downside is that when you break the fast you REALLY slow down for a few hours, mentally
I know what you mean by mental clarity, Keto gives the mental clarity too. Its remarkable what a difference it makes. Again I suspect that's due to blood sugar levels and keto/fasting are achieving the same thing, just keto is more consistent whereas fasting is more stop/start.
Though since keto is rather an appetite suppressant since you're not having the blood sugar crashes, fasting and keto work very well together. Many people do fasting with keto, though I stick to three meals just because I prefer it.
The biggest and most useful change I ever made to my diet is not eating breakfast before 10. I realise this is a luxury that working for oneself makes possible, but I reckon I get 40% of my day's work done before then, and the clarity is remarkable.
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
These are very good questions which I cannot answer. I liked the idea of a Mediterranean diet because it included the odd glass of wine but that wasn't perhaps the best motive!
A lot ot the "benefit" of the Meditteranean diet is, I am sure, actually down to lifestyle
Get lots of fresh air and sunshine, stroll down boulevards, socialise with people in outdoor cafes....
Hard to do that in Glasgow
You can work off a fair few calories in a good pub brawl, I'm sure?
On a serious note - glass in a few streets?
No, not giant retail shopping malls - glass roof on existing shopping streets. Done right, it can be visually quite elegant.
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
With southern Europeans (Italians and Greeks also do well with life expectancy), it's probably as much cultural as dietary. Food has a more central role within their cultures, such that they (at all social classes) care about what they eat and drink in a way that northern Europeans simply don't. A cultural interest in food and cooking and the quality and origins of what you eat, and a still greater focus on sitting down to eat with others rather than snacking on the go, gets you half way there.
Perhaps it's in the genes
Inappropriate Levi-ty.
He's a font of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; mother held him too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now he's so angry moments of levity actually cause him pain; gives him headaches. Happiness, for that gentleman, hurts.
Talking of which, I was watching that Dune yesterday, because someone recommended it on here, and they were right that the CGI and imagining of alien worlds and spaceships is dramatic. Locations in Norway, Jordan and Abu Dhabi, I see. But after about 45 minutes nothing much seem to have happened, and I went off and made dinner. Is it worth returning to?
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
MPL would be a uniquely British oddity - but at least its something you can understand. 11 miles per litre. OK, a litre is £1.299 so thats 11.8p per mile. 50mpg. A gallon is errrr etc
Yes. Miles per litre works as a practical measure - we buy in litres and drive miles. True, it's not consistent with either wider system but it is at least meaningful.
The National Rail network uses miles and chains to measure distances, whereas the London Underground network uses kilometres.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
I use kilos!
I am gradually switching from pounds to kilos for weight. Pounds are simply too volatile, even when you weigh yourself at the same time each day. Stones are too demoralising. It is a more realistic and meaningful scale.
Kilos are handy for calculating BMI. Mine weighs in at a tad under 25, unless I'm no longer quite as tall as I fondly remember.
Anyone know why new babies are born to this day in pounds and ounces, at least they are in the north of England?
So the grandparents can understand the weight. (I genuinely believe this).
We track our 11 month old in kg, but both of us are scientists.
As scientists, I would expect you to record the mass to the nearest microgram!
On another note, the BBC's live reporting of the Tokyo plane incident shows the perils of live reporting:
Posted at 9:35 : Live images show plane engulfed in flames Posted at 9.45 : 379 people on board evacuated - Japan Airlines Posted at 9.58 : "a few moments ago we saw passengers evacuating the plane on inflatable slides and running away from the burning plane."
There’s pictures of the plane being doused in water by the ARFF trucks, with no slides visible. Hope everyone did eventually get out though. Every second counts in an incident like this.
There's video of it landing and bursting into flames; it is unclear if the crash happened shortly before that whilst it was in the air, or on the ground.
The passengers were exceedingly lucky. I have the missing people in the other plane are okay...
It now seems that it was a runway collision between the two planes, with sadly five fatalities in the smaller one.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
And yet, even before I was born, the grid on Ordnance Survey maps was based on metres and multiples thereof.
I fear I am the lone voice crying out for us to move to US Survey Feet and US Survey Miles.
Buried in the "oh yes we did" / "oh no you didn't" row about the Home Office and Rishi's backlog was the news that 67% of asylum applications have been approved.
The previous Home Secretary said that "most" of these so-called asylum cases were bogus. Wrong. Most are approved - and as there is no legal way to apply it shouldn't be a surprise.
The gammon will be most unhappy. Clearing the backlog - not that this has happened - was supposed to be part of sending the foreign invaders home, not welcoming them in...
One of the biggest reductions in the 'backlog' was the applications they've lost track of. Which they've classified as dealt with.
The backlog itself has been replaced by a new one that's slightly larger. Today's figures only apply to the old cases.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height is in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
The only advantage of pounds over kilograms is that its easier to notice small changes without using decimals. Losing a kilo a week is improbable, but losing a pound or two a week is quite attainable. I've lost twenty pounds feels better to say than I've lost nine kilos, even if they're the same thing.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
Not sure about the Keto Diet. I doubt people are really doing it.
According to BBC website:
"In order to trigger ketosis, the carbs you eat need to be heavily restricted – down to no more than 20-50g per day. To put this in perspective an average banana contains 20g and a medium baked potato 41g, so clearly this is a diet that demands very careful planning and strict compliance"
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
My car (German car originally sold in Japan) has kilometers per litre as the primary measure of fuel economy, which in my mind is easier to get my head around than the usual litres/100km metric measure.
9km/l is c.25mpg (multiply by 4.54 and divide by 1.61)
I just remember that 50mpg - which is typically what I get on my European road trips - is 17.7 km/L.
Ha, you have a newer car than me then, and probably not one with a 5 litre V8 under the bonnet!
But hey, I paid 60p a litre for petrol on the way to work this morning.
Though I'm curious who pays more (net) for their fuel.
Yes petrol's expensive here, but with my new car I filled my tank last week for just under £40.
Which has been a very pleasant surprise since I changed cars!
New cars are a lot more fuel efficient than old cars, almost all are now turbocharged or hybridised (or both) and there’s tighter standards to meet when new, aided by tax incentives on VED and fuel.
This does feed into reliability issues later on though, as the complex emissions systems become difficult to maintain over time. The peak of reliability was probably 2002-2012, when low-stress n/a engines dominated. Mine will run forever so long as I change the oil occasionally, although it does have air suspension which needed replacement of the rubber bags. They were designed as German taxis!
As @IanB2 suggested, his car is roughly twice as efficient as mine, and he pays roughly double for petrol, so it’s probably a wash.
Until recently it's been nearly treble! Although you can save depending on where you fill up. Luxembourg fuel is cheap and they have giant petrol stations to cater for the traffic they drag in from all around; less tax and more volume probably makes sense for them. Fuel is also, for some reason, usually much cheaper in Austria and Slovenia, and many points further east. For the rest of Europe it bobbles about in relation to our price, but is broadly comparable. Avoiding Switzerland is usually good advice, and Norway (not that you can).
Buried in the "oh yes we did" / "oh no you didn't" row about the Home Office and Rishi's backlog was the news that 67% of asylum applications have been approved.
The previous Home Secretary said that "most" of these so-called asylum cases were bogus. Wrong. Most are approved - and as there is no legal way to apply it shouldn't be a surprise.
The gammon will be most unhappy. Clearing the backlog - not that this has happened - was supposed to be part of sending the foreign invaders home, not welcoming them in...
One of the biggest reductions in the 'backlog' was the applications they've lost track of. Which they've classified as dealt with.
The backlog itself has been replaced by a new one that's slightly larger. Today's figures only apply to the old cases.
Saying "we've cleared the backlog" because they've cleared the backlog from a year and a half ago, is just insane twaddle that shouldn't be taken seriously. There's a year and a half worth of backlog still to handle.
No you've not, until the backlog of the past year and a half has been dealt with then the backlog exists.
If the backlog was only four weeks worth I think that's reasonably close enough to consider it up to date, but a year and a half? Who are you trying to kid?
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
MPL would be a uniquely British oddity - but at least its something you can understand. 11 miles per litre. OK, a litre is £1.299 so thats 11.8p per mile. 50mpg. A gallon is errrr etc
Yes. Miles per litre works as a practical measure - we buy in litres and drive miles. True, it's not consistent with either wider system but it is at least meaningful.
Am I the only person on here who pays no attention to MPG/MPL etc? It just costs what it costs and it takes as much fuel as it takes to get from A to B. I don't really need to know. I'm not going to start driving at 60 in the slipstream of an HGV to save money. Maybe if I was driving to work every day I'd pay more attention.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
My car (German car originally sold in Japan) has kilometers per litre as the primary measure of fuel economy, which in my mind is easier to get my head around than the usual litres/100km metric measure.
9km/l is c.25mpg (multiply by 4.54 and divide by 1.61)
I just remember that 50mpg - which is typically what I get on my European road trips - is 17.7 km/L.
Ha, you have a newer car than me then, and probably not one with a 5 litre V8 under the bonnet!
But hey, I paid 60p a litre for petrol on the way to work this morning.
Though I'm curious who pays more (net) for their fuel.
Yes petrol's expensive here, but with my new car I filled my tank last week for just under £40.
Which has been a very pleasant surprise since I changed cars!
New cars are a lot more fuel efficient than old cars, almost all are now turbocharged or hybridised (or both) and there’s tighter standards to meet when new, aided by tax incentives on VED and fuel.
This does feed into reliability issues later on though, as the complex emissions systems become difficult to maintain over time. The peak of reliability was probably 2002-2012, when low-stress n/a engines dominated. Mine will run forever so long as I change the oil occasionally, although it does have air suspension which needed replacement of the rubber bags. They were designed as German taxis!
As @IanB2 suggested, his car is roughly twice as efficient as mine, and he pays roughly double for petrol, so it’s probably a wash.
Until recently it's been nearly treble! Although you can save depending on where you fill up. Luxembourg fuel is cheap and they have giant petrol stations to cater for the traffic they drag in from all around; less tax and more volume probably makes sense for them. Fuel is also, for some reason, usually much cheaper in Austria and Slovenia, and many points further east. For the rest of Europe it bobbles about in relation to our price, but is broadly comparable. Avoiding Switzerland is usually good advice, and Norway (not that you can).
Apart from one trip to Oslo about 15 years ago I've managed to avoid Norway quite successfully my whole life.
Imagine the embarrassment of those who confidently predicted that Russia was running out of missiles more than 6 months ago. Oh, wait a minute, they don't seem to have any.
They did run out of missiles (more or less). They then made and bought more.
But the more relevant question here is what effect these new attacks will have on: - the front line - Ukrainian morale - Ukrainian war-making capacity - Russia morale - Western support
Who knows? Because the shootdown numbers are from the Ukrainian Air Force; an organisation not known for its veracity. "Ghost of Kiev" and all that...
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
New pennies became just pennies, way back in 1982. Although there are still new pennies floating around in circulation, their being older than the pennies.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans.
Proper scales are analogue with an arm that swings round and tick marks for stones and pounds. If anyone who wants just pounds doesn't know their 14x table, they can always learn it.
As for kg, 70 of them make almost exactly 11 stone. Just remember this or some other equivalence and when going up or down from it use 1kg ~ 2.2lb or 7lb ~ 3kg.
Quick update on the PB Predictions Competition: The following 45 posters have entered so far, if you think you have entered and are not on the list either PM me or post on here. Cheers!
Not sure about the Keto Diet. I doubt people are really doing it.
According to BBC website:
"In order to trigger ketosis, the carbs you eat need to be heavily restricted – down to no more than 20-50g per day. To put this in perspective an average banana contains 20g and a medium baked potato 41g, so clearly this is a diet that demands very careful planning and strict compliance"
I'm doing it.
Or rather I was, quite successfully, for the two months prior to I broke up for the festive season, when I put my diet on hold, and I will resume my diet on 8 January when I return to work.
I have cut out all fruit and almost all vegetables, sugars, baked goods etc out of my diet. Instead of eating cheese and crackers, I eat just cheese.
Instead of eating a "balanced" dinner, I eat meat, eggs, dairy and cheese. Pretty much everything I eat comes from those groups (which somewhat overlap).
The only carbs I consume most days are if I eat sausages, they have carbs in them, and in my milk with my coffee. Almost everything I consume is zero-carb.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
MPL would be a uniquely British oddity - but at least its something you can understand. 11 miles per litre. OK, a litre is £1.299 so thats 11.8p per mile. 50mpg. A gallon is errrr etc
Yes. Miles per litre works as a practical measure - we buy in litres and drive miles. True, it's not consistent with either wider system but it is at least meaningful.
Am I the only person on here who pays no attention to MPG/MPL etc? It just costs what it costs and it takes as much fuel as it takes to get from A to B. I don't really need to know. I'm not going to start driving at 60 in the slipstream of an HGV to save money. Maybe if I was driving to work every day I'd pay more attention.
Modern cars seem to go out of their way to tell you, tho.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
My car (German car originally sold in Japan) has kilometers per litre as the primary measure of fuel economy, which in my mind is easier to get my head around than the usual litres/100km metric measure.
9km/l is c.25mpg (multiply by 4.54 and divide by 1.61)
I just remember that 50mpg - which is typically what I get on my European road trips - is 17.7 km/L.
Ha, you have a newer car than me then, and probably not one with a 5 litre V8 under the bonnet!
But hey, I paid 60p a litre for petrol on the way to work this morning.
Though I'm curious who pays more (net) for their fuel.
Yes petrol's expensive here, but with my new car I filled my tank last week for just under £40.
Which has been a very pleasant surprise since I changed cars!
New cars are a lot more fuel efficient than old cars, almost all are now turbocharged or hybridised (or both) and there’s tighter standards to meet when new, aided by tax incentives on VED and fuel.
This does feed into reliability issues later on though, as the complex emissions systems become difficult to maintain over time. The peak of reliability was probably 2002-2012, when low-stress n/a engines dominated. Mine will run forever so long as I change the oil occasionally, although it does have air suspension which needed replacement of the rubber bags. They were designed as German taxis!
As @IanB2 suggested, his car is roughly twice as efficient as mine, and he pays roughly double for petrol, so it’s probably a wash.
Our garage said the same, touch wood our 08 Passat has a fair bit left yet - It's only 90k miles in. Just getting started
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height is in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
The only advantage of pounds over kilograms is that its easier to notice small changes without using decimals. Losing a kilo a week is improbable, but losing a pound or two a week is quite attainable. I've lost twenty pounds feels better to say than I've lost nine kilos, even if they're the same thing.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
My car (German car originally sold in Japan) has kilometers per litre as the primary measure of fuel economy, which in my mind is easier to get my head around than the usual litres/100km metric measure.
9km/l is c.25mpg (multiply by 4.54 and divide by 1.61)
I just remember that 50mpg - which is typically what I get on my European road trips - is 17.7 km/L.
Ha, you have a newer car than me then, and probably not one with a 5 litre V8 under the bonnet!
But hey, I paid 60p a litre for petrol on the way to work this morning.
Though I'm curious who pays more (net) for their fuel.
Yes petrol's expensive here, but with my new car I filled my tank last week for just under £40.
Which has been a very pleasant surprise since I changed cars!
New cars are a lot more fuel efficient than old cars, almost all are now turbocharged or hybridised (or both) and there’s tighter standards to meet when new, aided by tax incentives on VED and fuel.
This does feed into reliability issues later on though, as the complex emissions systems become difficult to maintain over time. The peak of reliability was probably 2002-2012, when low-stress n/a engines dominated. Mine will run forever so long as I change the oil occasionally, although it does have air suspension which needed replacement of the rubber bags. They were designed as German taxis!
As @IanB2 suggested, his car is roughly twice as efficient as mine, and he pays roughly double for petrol, so it’s probably a wash.
Until recently it's been nearly treble! Although you can save depending on where you fill up. Luxembourg fuel is cheap and they have giant petrol stations to cater for the traffic they drag in from all around; less tax and more volume probably makes sense for them. Fuel is also, for some reason, usually much cheaper in Austria and Slovenia, and many points further east. For the rest of Europe it bobbles about in relation to our price, but is broadly comparable. Avoiding Switzerland is usually good advice, and Norway (not that you can).
Apart from one trip to Oslo about 15 years ago I've managed to avoid Norway quite successfully my whole life.
You can drive right through Switzerland on one tank of fuel, and fill up beyond; that doesn't work for Norway! But the low speed limits - typically 50mph even on many wide roads with good visibility - reduces fuel consumption - my mpg for my summer Norway trip was markedly better than my other trips this year, even despite the lower temperatures.
Quick update on the PB Predictions Competition: The following 45 posters have entered so far, if you think you have entered and are not on the list either PM me or post on here. Cheers!
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
New pennies became just pennies, way back in 1982. Although there are still new pennies floating around in circulation, their being older than the pennies.
My Mum wrote “new pence” when writing cheques until she passed away in the 2010s.
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Ah, do you have to answer all 10 questions? I have no opinion on most of them, other than which party will win the election and with what seat majority, and the election date.
Now they argue that black is white and draw attention to the fact that they made a bogus claim. So next time they make a claim why would anyone believe them whether that claim is realistic or not?
Cleverly's pointless and impotent denial on 'Shithole-gate' has apparently become his department's modus operandi.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
New pennies became just pennies, way back in 1982. Although there are still new pennies floating around in circulation, their being older than the pennies.
My Mum wrote “new pence” when writing cheques until she passed away in the 2010s.
Worth a read, whilst Leon is safely away in the gym (warning, quite negative on Ukraine):
When asked in 2020 to envisage the world after Covid, Michel Houellebecq proclaimed, accurately enough, that “it will be the same, just a bit worse”. It does not take a soothsayer to foresee that the same will hold true for this coming year.
The year 2023 saw the greatest global resurgence of armed conflict since 1945: 2024 will be worse. We are living, if not through a World War, then a world at war, the great post-globalisation jostling to divide up the spoils of what was once America’s unipolar imperium. This will be as epoch-defining a period as the late Forties were for Britain, or 1991 for Russia.
'The same but a bit better / worse' is the classic prediction that's actually a projection. House prices are typical, where they often soar / slump rather than ticking a long but rising a bit faster / more slowly. To predict more accurately, we need to understand the stability in the structures concerned.
Now, 'the same but a bit worse' may be right globally but there's a significantly higher than average chance this year that it won't be. (Not that the 2020s have had any longer-term-average years yet, with two covid ones and then Russia's invasion though 2023 was the closest so far).
If there was a global dashboard or political and economic risks, a lot of warning lights would be flashing right now. It's comforting to believe that leaders can recognise and manage these challenges, at least well enough to prevent any of them from degenerating into a first-order crisis - and usually they can. But not always.
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I missed the competition, what is it please so I can enter?
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Can we have the summary update before entry closing? It’s just that I would like to enter the mean (or mode) of everyone else’s answers, but can’t be bothered going through to work that out myself. ;-)
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height is in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
The only advantage of pounds over kilograms is that its easier to notice small changes without using decimals. Losing a kilo a week is improbable, but losing a pound or two a week is quite attainable. I've lost twenty pounds feels better to say than I've lost nine kilos, even if they're the same thing.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
Using pounds only is just American nonsense.
British stone for British bodies!
Quite. If you need to lose a stone, you need to lose a stone - no amount of poncing around with kilos is going to change that fact.
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I missed the competition, what is it please so I can enter?
Check the recent threads
LOL.
I may be on holiday, but lack the time to read thousands of posts in recent threads I've not read or engaged with hunting for it.
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Ah, do you have to answer all 10 questions? I have no opinion on most of them, other than which party will win the election and with what seat majority, and the election date.
Yesterday I set an arbitrary rule that you have to answer at least 6/10 of them, otherwise I'll be tracking single answers. I'd say have a go, just opt for the favourites or use the current or recent figures. But up to you obvs.
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Now they argue that black is white and draw attention to the fact that they made a bogus claim. So next time they make a claim why would anyone believe them whether that claim is realistic or not?
Cleverly's pointless and impotent denial on 'Shithole-gate' has apparently become his department's modus operandi.
They have made some real progress in reducing the backlog compared to what was happening under Truss/Johnson/May, but, yes, they undermine their case by over-claiming.
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Can we have the summary update before entry closing? It’s just that I would like to enter the mean (or mode) of everyone else’s answers, but can’t be bothered going through to work that out myself. ;-)
If it were up to me, I'd say no! Anyhow, you can't win by giving the same answers as everyone else. Even on average.
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Not sure about the Keto Diet. I doubt people are really doing it.
According to BBC website:
"In order to trigger ketosis, the carbs you eat need to be heavily restricted – down to no more than 20-50g per day. To put this in perspective an average banana contains 20g and a medium baked potato 41g, so clearly this is a diet that demands very careful planning and strict compliance"
Indeed, if carbs are THAT bad for you, how DO you explain the Japanese?
They stuff themselves with rice. They obsess about it. They eat it all the time and when they're not gorging on rice they eat noodles by the ton
Yet virtually no one is obese and they live until they're 110
It's like the supposed dangers of processed meats - hams, chorizos, salamis. How then do the Spanish have one of the highest life expectancies in the developed world?
I have never been to Japan, but the actual portions of rice that they consume seem pretty modest to me - in the media portrayals I've seen.
Not sure about the Keto Diet. I doubt people are really doing it.
According to BBC website:
"In order to trigger ketosis, the carbs you eat need to be heavily restricted – down to no more than 20-50g per day. To put this in perspective an average banana contains 20g and a medium baked potato 41g, so clearly this is a diet that demands very careful planning and strict compliance"
I'm doing it.
Or rather I was, quite successfully, for the two months prior to I broke up for the festive season, when I put my diet on hold, and I will resume my diet on 8 January when I return to work.
I have cut out all fruit and almost all vegetables, sugars, baked goods etc out of my diet. Instead of eating cheese and crackers, I eat just cheese.
Instead of eating a "balanced" dinner, I eat meat, eggs, dairy and cheese. Pretty much everything I eat comes from those groups (which somewhat overlap).
The only carbs I consume most days are if I eat sausages, they have carbs in them, and in my milk with my coffee. Almost everything I consume is zero-carb.
I was about to challenge you on this - re: your rum drinking - as I thought that alcohol is a simple carbohydrate (same as sugar) but Googling reveals this to be false.
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Can we have the summary update before entry closing? It’s just that I would like to enter the mean (or mode) of everyone else’s answers, but can’t be bothered going through to work that out myself. ;-)
If it were up to me, I'd say no! Anyhow, you can't win by giving the same answers as everyone else. Even on average.
Just wait for Leon's, and do the opposite.
What can I say? I have more faith in the predictive powers of you all collectively than I do in myself as an individual.
Typical for Britain our weights and measures are an absurd hodgepodge - like the language.
The most absurd of absurd is "Miles per Gallon" when we stopped selling road fuels in gallons an eternity ago. We managed to get our heads around the gallons to litres switch, but didn't at the same time adopt Miles per Litre.
Miles are an odd one. I definitely use them for driving / travel, but when doing exercise its kilometers.
miles per litre would be a mix of metric and imperial. you'd use litres per kilometer or MPG. miles being the more important part of it because I want to know how far I can get on a tank of fuel.
we'd need to switch all measurements for distance and speed to metric for it to work. That's not happening any time soon but as fewer and fewer people use the other imperial measurements it might happen.
MPL would be a uniquely British oddity - but at least its something you can understand. 11 miles per litre. OK, a litre is £1.299 so thats 11.8p per mile. 50mpg. A gallon is errrr etc
Yes. Miles per litre works as a practical measure - we buy in litres and drive miles. True, it's not consistent with either wider system but it is at least meaningful.
Am I the only person on here who pays no attention to MPG/MPL etc? It just costs what it costs and it takes as much fuel as it takes to get from A to B. I don't really need to know. I'm not going to start driving at 60 in the slipstream of an HGV to save money. Maybe if I was driving to work every day I'd pay more attention.
Modern cars seem to go out of their way to tell you, tho.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
Going metric didn't help my arithmetic though did it. Can't believe nobody pounced on that. Not 70 years ago, if for no other reason I wasn't alive 70 years ago to remember it.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height is in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
The only advantage of pounds over kilograms is that its easier to notice small changes without using decimals. Losing a kilo a week is improbable, but losing a pound or two a week is quite attainable. I've lost twenty pounds feels better to say than I've lost nine kilos, even if they're the same thing.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
Using pounds only is just American nonsense.
British stone for British bodies!
Quite. If you need to lose a stone, you need to lose a stone - no amount of poncing around with kilos is going to change that fact.
And a stone is just an arbitrary load of obsolete nonsense. If you need to lose 5 pounds or 5 kilograms then that's not a stone and messing around with stones achieves nothing. If you need to lose 10kg then you need to lose 10kg and no poncing around with stones changes that either.
What's the purpose of stones? Going from x pounds to (x - 2) pounds means you've lost two pounds. Going from x stone y pounds to (x-1) stone (y + 13) pounds also means you've lost two pounds but in a needlessly silly way of saying so.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height is in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
The only advantage of pounds over kilograms is that its easier to notice small changes without using decimals. Losing a kilo a week is improbable, but losing a pound or two a week is quite attainable. I've lost twenty pounds feels better to say than I've lost nine kilos, even if they're the same thing.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
Using pounds only is just American nonsense.
British stone for British bodies!
Quite. If you need to lose a stone, you need to lose a stone - no amount of poncing around with kilos is going to change that fact.
Americans are even worse for using pounds as their *largest* unit of weight - so that a lorry might weigh seventy thousand pounds. Why?! This is what 'tons' are for (even if they don't use proper tons either.
Mind you, the documentary on the 1947 big freeze that was on C5 yesterday had a classic of that type, commenting that 61 billion litres of water flowed [somewhere, sometime] during the thaw. What is that supposed to look like?! This is why 'Olympic swimming pools' and 'Lake Ullswater's were invented.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height is in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
The only advantage of pounds over kilograms is that its easier to notice small changes without using decimals. Losing a kilo a week is improbable, but losing a pound or two a week is quite attainable. I've lost twenty pounds feels better to say than I've lost nine kilos, even if they're the same thing.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
Using pounds only is just American nonsense.
British stone for British bodies!
Quite. If you need to lose a stone, you need to lose a stone - no amount of poncing around with kilos is going to change that fact.
And a stone is just an arbitrary load of obsolete nonsense. If you need to lose 5 pounds or 5 kilograms then that's not a stone and messing around with stones achieves nothing. If you need to lose 10kg then you need to lose 10kg and no poncing around with stones changes that either.
What's the purpose of stones? Going from x pounds to (x - 2) pounds means you've lost two pounds. Going from x stone y pounds to (x-1) stone (y + 13) pounds also means you've lost two pounds but in a needlessly silly way of saying so.
I don't use pounds at all, wouldn't have a clue. I only go down to half a stone.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans.
Proper scales are analogue with an arm that swings round and tick marks for stones and pounds. If anyone who wants just pounds doesn't know their 14x table, they can always learn it.
As for kg, 70 of them make almost exactly 11 stone. Just remember this or some other equivalence and when going up or down from it use 1kg ~ 2.2lb or 7lb ~ 3kg.
Or if you're into WW2 aircraft, a 1,000 lb bomb = 454 kg. And a 500 lb = 227 kg.
Reporting in from Southern England; birth weight (and other measurements) are given entirely in metric now. The red book has a line somewhere that says it is simple to make a conversion into imperial if you want to... May depend on the hospital of course.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
I use kilos!
I am gradually switching from pounds to kilos for weight. Pounds are simply too volatile, even when you weigh yourself at the same time each day. Stones are too demoralising. TheIt is a more realistic and meaningful scale.
Kilos are handy for calculating BMI. Mine weighs in at a tad under 25, unless I'm no longer quite as tall as I fondly remember.
Anyone know why new babies are born to this day in pounds and ounces, at least they are in the north of England?
So the grandparents can understand the weight. (I genuinely believe this).
We track our 11 month old in kg, but both of us are scientists.
As scientists, I would expect you to record the mass to the nearest microgram!
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height is in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
The only advantage of pounds over kilograms is that its easier to notice small changes without using decimals. Losing a kilo a week is improbable, but losing a pound or two a week is quite attainable. I've lost twenty pounds feels better to say than I've lost nine kilos, even if they're the same thing.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
Using pounds only is just American nonsense.
British stone for British bodies!
Quite. If you need to lose a stone, you need to lose a stone - no amount of poncing around with kilos is going to change that fact.
And a stone is just an arbitrary load of obsolete nonsense. If you need to lose 5 pounds or 5 kilograms then that's not a stone and messing around with stones achieves nothing. If you need to lose 10kg then you need to lose 10kg and no poncing around with stones changes that either.
What's the purpose of stones? Going from x pounds to (x - 2) pounds means you've lost two pounds. Going from x stone y pounds to (x-1) stone (y + 13) pounds also means you've lost two pounds but in a needlessly silly way of saying so.
I don't use pounds at all, wouldn't have a clue. I only go down to half a stone.
Half a stone is way too thin Lucky - you need to watch that.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height is in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
The only advantage of pounds over kilograms is that its easier to notice small changes without using decimals. Losing a kilo a week is improbable, but losing a pound or two a week is quite attainable. I've lost twenty pounds feels better to say than I've lost nine kilos, even if they're the same thing.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
Using pounds only is just American nonsense.
British stone for British bodies!
Quite. If you need to lose a stone, you need to lose a stone - no amount of poncing around with kilos is going to change that fact.
And a stone is just an arbitrary load of obsolete nonsense. If you need to lose 5 pounds or 5 kilograms then that's not a stone and messing around with stones achieves nothing. If you need to lose 10kg then you need to lose 10kg and no poncing around with stones changes that either.
What's the purpose of stones? Going from x pounds to (x - 2) pounds means you've lost two pounds. Going from x stone y pounds to (x-1) stone (y + 13) pounds also means you've lost two pounds but in a needlessly silly way of saying so.
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height is in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
The only advantage of pounds over kilograms is that its easier to notice small changes without using decimals. Losing a kilo a week is improbable, but losing a pound or two a week is quite attainable. I've lost twenty pounds feels better to say than I've lost nine kilos, even if they're the same thing.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
Using pounds only is just American nonsense.
British stone for British bodies!
Quite. If you need to lose a stone, you need to lose a stone - no amount of poncing around with kilos is going to change that fact.
And a stone is just an arbitrary load of obsolete nonsense. If you need to lose 5 pounds or 5 kilograms then that's not a stone and messing around with stones achieves nothing. If you need to lose 10kg then you need to lose 10kg and no poncing around with stones changes that either.
What's the purpose of stones? Going from x pounds to (x - 2) pounds means you've lost two pounds. Going from x stone y pounds to (x-1) stone (y + 13) pounds also means you've lost two pounds but in a needlessly silly way of saying so.
Maybe there’s a difference between radical weight loss and precision weight management (ie poncing around with kilos). If you’re 25 stone and need to lose shed loads of weight in order to live beyond 50 then it makes sense to focus on large denominations. If you’re hovering around 67 kilos and want to fix at 67 precisely then you’ll go for kilos (or pounds).
First client day of 2024 (as we use the English calendar not Scottish...). Amongst other things I am determined to shed the excess weight I am carrying - need to drop an exciting 32kg to get back to my fighting weight of summer 2020.
Debilitating cough doesn't help!
Well done, that makes me feel better about only having to lose 22kg. Going to make a real effort this year, just as soon as the Christmas chocolates are finished.
That all stopped as the piper welcomed the new year. We have *loads* left, but all with long dates. So it can all stay in the pantry for now...
Your fortitude makes you a hero in my eyes, talking of which, thanks very much, one of the last remaining fudges.
'Tablet' surely: unless it's imported fudge from south of the border.
I'm more concerned about where these imported 'kilos' are coming from. Who measures their weight in kilos? You either need to lose half a stone, a stone, or several stone - thems the options.
Electronic bathroom scales can be set to show kilograms, stones and pounds, or just pounds for any visiting Americans. I suspect most people do not know this and just use whatever is the manufacturer's default. Reading product manuals is for girly swots.
The only time I switch our bathroom scales to kilos is when weighing suitcases ahead of a holiday.
Otherwise stones and pounds. It is the only unit for people's weight* where I have any idea if they are light or heavy. It appears that I weigh 82 kg. I will no doubt have forgotten this by teatime.
*Strictly mass, but this isn't a physics class.
You are right of course, but it is only habit. if you leave them on kilos it will become the new norm (and it will be stones/pounds you will forget) and then it become convenient for doing the stuff where you have to weigh things in kilos by holding them and stepping on the scales (for us this is suitcases and the dog)
I used to use stones for weight but defaulted to kilos after having my BMI calculated a few times in medicals. It was just easier then to stick with kilos. I hover between 66 and 70kg. 70 acts as a useful ceiling.
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
Agree. I am metric for just about everything except where doing so would be silly eg miles on the road, mpg, pints in the pub. However I do have a quirk in that I only know my height is in feet and inches. No idea what it is in metric, even though I measure everything else in millimetres, metres and kilometres. I suspect that is because I stopped growing when feet and inches were used for height so it has stuck with me and frankly I don't care.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
The only advantage of pounds over kilograms is that its easier to notice small changes without using decimals. Losing a kilo a week is improbable, but losing a pound or two a week is quite attainable. I've lost twenty pounds feels better to say than I've lost nine kilos, even if they're the same thing.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
Using pounds only is just American nonsense.
British stone for British bodies!
Quite. If you need to lose a stone, you need to lose a stone - no amount of poncing around with kilos is going to change that fact.
And a stone is just an arbitrary load of obsolete nonsense. If you need to lose 5 pounds or 5 kilograms then that's not a stone and messing around with stones achieves nothing. If you need to lose 10kg then you need to lose 10kg and no poncing around with stones changes that either.
What's the purpose of stones? Going from x pounds to (x - 2) pounds means you've lost two pounds. Going from x stone y pounds to (x-1) stone (y + 13) pounds also means you've lost two pounds but in a needlessly silly way of saying so.
Absolutely. I don't get people like @Luckyguy1983 . It is like claiming £sd didn't need changing. Just the argument my grandparents used 50 years ago. Dinosaurs. At least they had the excuse of being old and in a different era.
Have been out for a lunchtime walk. 2.5k, 63m of elevation gain, 160bpm at the top end. And if I can go out in driving rain and big blustery winds, then I can on *any day*.
Two historical notes on the Iowa caucuses: I have always wondered whether, in 2008, Obama got some illegal help from the Chicago organization. The Democratic caucuses have not been famous for their tight controls.
Before those caucuses, I disagreed with the common wisdom that Hilary Clinton had the nomination locked up, and pointed out that an early win by one of her opponents would give them momentum.
(FWIW, I don't think she would have been as bad a president as Obama was.)
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Iceland: Incumbent president of Iceland, Guðni Th. Jóhannesson (*), has announced that he is not running for re-election in Iceland’s 2024 Presidential elections.
Jóhannesson has been president since 2016. He has served two terms and consistently attains approval ratings over 90%.
The position of President in Iceland is largely ceremonial. The next election is scheduled for June 1st, 2024."
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1741952230352166946
I only have the 5 litre one with 300bhp, they also did a 6.2 litre one with 500bhp, the E63 AMG. But those are a lot more expensive to buy and run, and I really want one!
Petrol is cheap where I live (60p/litre) and it’s both cheaper and better for the environment to keep old cars running, than to keep making more new ones.
Cutting out rice is extreme, I acknowledge my diet is an extreme one. When I am at a weight I want to stabilise at, rather than seeking to lose weight, I would be happy to add rice back in to my diet.
Though I'm almost never posted here in the last few months since I started this diet.
Take from that anything you want or nothing.
The previous Home Secretary said that "most" of these so-called asylum cases were bogus. Wrong. Most are approved - and as there is no legal way to apply it shouldn't be a surprise.
The gammon will be most unhappy. Clearing the backlog - not that this has happened - was supposed to be part of sending the foreign invaders home, not welcoming them in...
Yes petrol's expensive here, but with my new car I filled my tank last week for just under £40.
Which has been a very pleasant surprise since I changed cars!
The important thing is that this is all stuff I can do without too much effort or commitment. No 10k runs at dawn or weird dieting. I've tried cutting back carbs (made me miserable) and fasting (end up thinking only of next meal) but these diets were ultimately unsustainable. In contrast, I'm confident that I can easily continue this trend and will hopefully be back to a BMI of 25 or so by next summer :-)
eg.
https://www.callandergolfclub.co.uk/the-course/scorecard.php
EAT FISH
And on that note, I am off to the hotel gym. Anon
But you do need the boulevards, and then we're back to housing and suburban sprawl;
The average Japanese walks thousands more steps than the average American every day. What’s more, nearly all Japanese walk a lot, whereas in most cities American activity is much more unequal, split between enthusiastic exercisers and those who drive everywhere.
https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-everything/
I don’t have a strong preference either way, like language you use what you’re most familiar with. I have a random mix as do most Brits: kg and g for cooking, km for walking, miles for driving, MPG, pint of beer, ml for wine, C for temperature, both feet and inches and centimetres for height etc.
I really don’t think many people can be arsed to make a culture war battle out of weights and measures.
This does feed into reliability issues later on though, as the complex emissions systems become difficult to maintain over time. The peak of reliability was probably 2002-2012, when low-stress n/a engines dominated. Mine will run forever so long as I change the oil occasionally, although it does have air suspension which needed replacement of the rubber bags. They were designed as German taxis!
As @IanB2 suggested, his car is roughly twice as efficient as mine, and he pays roughly double for petrol, so it’s probably a wash.
If the weather in the Channel remains horrendous for the entire 12 months of 2024, rather than just the 9 months of horrendous weather we had in the Channel in 2023, Rishi/Cleverly will indeed reduce boat numbers further.
Trebles all round!
Although I've also started thinking in miles per pound, but that fluctuates wildly depending upon fuel prices. When I filled up time before last I reset my trip meter, when I filled up again last time I took my miles driven (323.3 miles) and cost of fuel purchased (£39.96 - not deliberately stopping at £40, that was a coincidence, tank was full) to calculate that current cost was 8 miles per pound of unleaded.
When asked in 2020 to envisage the world after Covid, Michel Houellebecq proclaimed, accurately enough, that “it will be the same, just a bit worse”. It does not take a soothsayer to foresee that the same will hold true for this coming year.
The year 2023 saw the greatest global resurgence of armed conflict since 1945: 2024 will be worse. We are living, if not through a World War, then a world at war, the great post-globalisation jostling to divide up the spoils of what was once America’s unipolar imperium. This will be as epoch-defining a period as the late Forties were for Britain, or 1991 for Russia.
https://unherd.com/2024/01/the-world-should-fear-2024/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3
No, not giant retail shopping malls - glass roof on existing shopping streets. Done right, it can be visually quite elegant.
Just bemused that @Luckyguy1983 thinks it is not old fashioned to stick with imperial. My grandparents were horrified when the currency went metric. I thought they were dinosaurs then. They couldn't see how stuff would become much easier. That was 70 years ago and @Luckyguy1983 still doesn't think that making such a change is moving with the times.
https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/geodesy/international-foot.html
Which they've classified as dealt with.
The backlog itself has been replaced by a new one that's slightly larger. Today's figures only apply to the old cases.
But I use pounds in a metric fashion, without any of that stones nonsense, I simply weigh how many pounds I am and note the change. Otherwise I'd definitely stick with kilos over converting stones into pounds and then noting the change.
According to BBC website:
"In order to trigger ketosis, the carbs you eat need to be heavily restricted – down to no more than 20-50g per day. To put this in perspective an average banana contains 20g and a medium baked potato 41g, so clearly this is a diet that demands very careful planning and strict compliance"
No you've not, until the backlog of the past year and a half has been dealt with then the backlog exists.
If the backlog was only four weeks worth I think that's reasonably close enough to consider it up to date, but a year and a half? Who are you trying to kid?
"Vegitarianism is also a factor in disorder, as vegitarians cannot imbime the amount expected of them by hedonistic western consumer culture."
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1742152403770581077
As for kg, 70 of them make almost exactly 11 stone. Just remember this or some other equivalence and when going up or down from it use 1kg ~ 2.2lb or 7lb ~ 3kg.
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I'll aim to post a summary update after the entry closing (end of Saturday 6 January).
Or rather I was, quite successfully, for the two months prior to I broke up for the festive season, when I put my diet on hold, and I will resume my diet on 8 January when I return to work.
I have cut out all fruit and almost all vegetables, sugars, baked goods etc out of my diet. Instead of eating cheese and crackers, I eat just cheese.
Instead of eating a "balanced" dinner, I eat meat, eggs, dairy and cheese. Pretty much everything I eat comes from those groups (which somewhat overlap).
The only carbs I consume most days are if I eat sausages, they have carbs in them, and in my milk with my coffee. Almost everything I consume is zero-carb.
British stone for British bodies!
Now they argue that black is white and draw attention to the fact that they made a bogus claim. So next time they make a claim why would anyone believe them whether that claim is realistic or not?
Cleverly's pointless and impotent denial on 'Shithole-gate' has apparently become his department's modus operandi.
Now, 'the same but a bit worse' may be right globally but there's a significantly higher than average chance this year that it won't be. (Not that the 2020s have had any longer-term-average years yet, with two covid ones and then Russia's invasion though 2023 was the closest so far).
If there was a global dashboard or political and economic risks, a lot of warning lights would be flashing right now. It's comforting to believe that leaders can recognise and manage these challenges, at least well enough to prevent any of them from degenerating into a first-order crisis - and usually they can. But not always.
I may be on holiday, but lack the time to read thousands of posts in recent threads I've not read or engaged with hunting for it.
Pre-race or event tip.
Event or race.
Tip flops. Post event narrative retrofitting a phantom aftertime to the race or event.
Just wait for Leon's, and do the opposite.
https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/01/01/pb-predictions-competition-2024/
Feel free to post an entry on that thread or this one.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_zone
What's the purpose of stones? Going from x pounds to (x - 2) pounds means you've lost two pounds. Going from x stone y pounds to (x-1) stone (y + 13) pounds also means you've lost two pounds but in a needlessly silly way of saying so.
Mind you, the documentary on the 1947 big freeze that was on C5 yesterday had a classic of that type, commenting that 61 billion litres of water flowed [somewhere, sometime] during the thaw. What is that supposed to look like?! This is why 'Olympic swimming pools' and 'Lake Ullswater's were invented.
May depend on the hospital of course.
Before those caucuses, I disagreed with the common wisdom that Hilary Clinton had the nomination locked up, and pointed out that an early win by one of her opponents would give them momentum.
(FWIW, I don't think she would have been as bad a president as Obama was.)