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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,661

    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?

    This is emerging as the biggest thing to cling to if Trump does somehow get himself back into the oval office. He might not trigger WW3.
  • viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    Trans zombies are threatening the purity of our precious bodily fluids.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740
    kinabalu said:

    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?

    This is emerging as the biggest thing to cling to if Trump does somehow get himself back into the oval office. He might not trigger WW3.
    He didn't last time.

    You admittedly have to wonder if it was more by luck than by judgement.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    Trans zombies are threatening the purity of our precious bodily fluids.
    A sterling response.
  • viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    They can vote, though!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,125
    ydoethur said:

    .

    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
    A question I ask myself every time I ponder the worldwide reach of McDonald's.
    Define delicious.

    Some people regard Surströmming as a delicacy. Rather than a clear breach of the “Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on their Destruction”
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399

    Hello PB. Android or iOS?

    [Repeat from last thread]

    MVS/ESA.

    Although it's a bugger to get on your phone. 😃
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,629
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
    The link below gives the article. Although I appreciate PB thinks trans causes all the ills of the world, the articles seems to (it's paywalled) think it's smartphones. This fits in with my headcanon that the confluence of cheaper phones, larger screens (porn-driven), social media and Twitter has created an unpleasant and paranoid view of the world, with deleritous results.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
    Larger screens are causing more porn?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,294
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    I mean that the rise in transexualism could be just a symptom of a broader crisis in the development of secure identities that's also manifested in teenage suicide.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    They can vote, though!
    "And in a stunning reversal, the Grrrr-Aargh-Brains party has won 100% of the vote!"
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399
    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    Trans zombies are threatening the purity of our precious bodily fluids.
    A sterling response.
    Ah, purity of essence... :)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,629

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Some girls are becoming boys because some other girls are committing suicide?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740
    viewcode said:

    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    Trans zombies are threatening the purity of our precious bodily fluids.
    A sterling response.
    Ah, purity of essence... :)
    'Twas a strange love.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,191

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    Technically, didn't many diesels have a boiler for steam anyway? For the train heating system.
    Yes; some did, some did not. In the case of locos like the 37s, early ones were steam heat, later ones electric. Then in the 1980s, when almost all locos did not have electric heating, they converted some withdrawn locos into ETHELs (Electric Train Heating Ex Loco)

    https://www.derbysulzers.com/97250.html

    Generally, steam-heat versions of locos were the first to be withdrawn as electric heating became ever more useful with newer coaching stock being electrically heated.

    Steam-heating boilers in locos often proved exceptionally troublesome, including causing a fair few fires.
    The ETHELs were a stop gap after Mark 3 sleepers were introduced on the Fort William overnight until 31 Class 37s were converted to 37/4s with the retrofitting of ETH. 25 of these were based in Scotland and allowed the West Highland, Far North and Kyle lines to move away from steam heat. The remaining 6 went to Cardiff Canton and initially appeared regularly on summer Saturday Cambrian Coast services.

    IIRC, the last service to be steam heated was a return Footex from Dundee to Glasgow.

    I was lucky enough to be able to access Derby works regularly - my dad's company did a fair bit of work for the loco and carriage works (and there was a surprising rivalry between them...), and they would let me go in with him. I saw loads of stuff of interest - and it's a shame I did not have a camera at the time. I also did not appreciate some of it at the time, either. There were one or two ETHELs there at various times, as I recall. But of more interest were the blue-and-red Technical Centre locos.

    My dad has loads of stories that may explain why British industry went down the pan, if the railway works were anything to go by...

    BTW, there use to be a 'long bridge' across the carriage works that was fun to walk down.
    Blue and red you say...

    https://www.railforums.co.uk/attachments/97201-jpg.90040/
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,020
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    I don’t see trans having anything to do with this but it’s still a really interesting chart which highlights a trend I was unaware of.

    The theory that smartphones are at least a major contributory sounds plausible but unproven. Smartphones have been around for kids for more than a decade now. Changes in content and social media are possible but would need to be tested.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399
    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
    The link below gives the article. Although I appreciate PB thinks trans causes all the ills of the world, the articles seems to (it's paywalled) think it's smartphones. This fits in with my headcanon that the confluence of cheaper phones, larger screens (porn-driven), social media and Twitter has created an unpleasant and paranoid view of the world, with deleritous results.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
    Larger screens are causing more porn?
    I would point out that "porn drove the development of larger phone screens", but given your background in computery stuff I assume you knew that already.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,661
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?

    This is emerging as the biggest thing to cling to if Trump does somehow get himself back into the oval office. He might not trigger WW3.
    He didn't last time.

    You admittedly have to wonder if it was more by luck than by judgement.
    Well judgement, I suppose. He was aggressive and warlike towards democracies and a gullible pushover to autocrats and dictators.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,294
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
    The link below gives the article. Although I appreciate PB thinks trans causes all the ills of the world, the articles seems to (it's paywalled) think it's smartphones. This fits in with my headcanon that the confluence of cheaper phones, larger screens (porn-driven), social media and Twitter has created an unpleasant and paranoid view of the world, with deleritous results.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
    Larger screens are causing more porn?
    I would point out that "porn drove the development of larger phone screens", but given your background in computery stuff I assume you knew that already.
    Aren’t women more likely to have giant phones?
  • viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
    The link below gives the article. Although I appreciate PB thinks trans causes all the ills of the world, the articles seems to (it's paywalled) think it's smartphones. This fits in with my headcanon that the confluence of cheaper phones, larger screens (porn-driven), social media and Twitter has created an unpleasant and paranoid view of the world, with deleritous results.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
    Larger screens are causing more porn?
    I would point out that "porn drove the development of larger phone screens", but given your background in computery stuff I assume you knew that already.
    Aren’t women more likely to have giant phones?
    Without porn, would we have the internet we have now?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?

    This is emerging as the biggest thing to cling to if Trump does somehow get himself back into the oval office. He might not trigger WW3.
    He didn't last time.

    You admittedly have to wonder if it was more by luck than by judgement.
    Well judgement, I suppose. He was aggressive and warlike towards democracies and a gullible pushover to autocrats and dictators.
    There's quite a lot of judgement involved in Trump's life.

    Just not that sort...
  • How are we going to discuss without Leon?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,645

    ydoethur said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Why? Have we suddenly started talking about venison?
    Calm down deer.
    Game for punning - antler joining in?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740

    ydoethur said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Why? Have we suddenly started talking about venison?
    Calm down deer.
    Game for punning - antler joining in?
    Can we roe back on these deer puns?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,712

    How are we going to discuss without Leon?

    Has he left, is he ill, or, perish the thought, has he been banned?
  • How are we going to discuss without Leon?

    Has he left, is he ill, or, perish the thought, has he been banned?
    AI image overload I think.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,059
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Why? Have we suddenly started talking about venison?
    Calm down deer.
    Game for punning - antler joining in?
    Can we roe back on these deer puns?
    The thread would be fallow without them.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,661
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?

    This is emerging as the biggest thing to cling to if Trump does somehow get himself back into the oval office. He might not trigger WW3.
    He didn't last time.

    You admittedly have to wonder if it was more by luck than by judgement.
    Well judgement, I suppose. He was aggressive and warlike towards democracies and a gullible pushover to autocrats and dictators.
    There's quite a lot of judgement involved in Trump's life.

    Just not that sort...
    That's true. He can't help himself. He loves a bit of strongman.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    I mean that the rise in transexualism could be just a symptom of a broader crisis in the development of secure identities that's also manifested in teenage suicide.
    Ah I see, a more coherent point. Hmm. It's not a stupid question.

    I think trans and its causes are multivariate and not easily reducible to a single thing, hence the difficulty in analysis and wide variety in estimates. Plus you'd have to look at the baseline: what does a "secure identity" mean in this world? So although I think it may be a contributing factor, I'd balk at saying it's the contributing factor.

    Incidentally the treatment of trans people varies around the world, ranging from laissez-faire to more oppressive treatment. This provides us with a real-time world-wide experiment from which such a multivariate model may be constructed. If I had a year or two and the funding, I'd give it a go. I'll be free in early 2025 if any rich people are reading this (waves)
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,059

    How are we going to discuss without Leon?

    Has he left, is he ill, or, perish the thought, has he been banned?
    He has been replaced by AI.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,645

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Why? Have we suddenly started talking about venison?
    Calm down deer.
    Game for punning - antler joining in?
    Can we roe back on these deer puns?
    The thread would be fallow without them.
    Doe you like this one?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,645

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Why? Have we suddenly started talking about venison?
    Calm down deer.
    Game for punning - antler joining in?
    Can we roe back on these deer puns?
    The thread would be fallow without them.
    Doe you like this one?
    Or fawn deer of this one?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    edited December 2023
    Logged out this morning and @ydoethur was engaging in puns about bishops. Log back in this evening and, yep, Ydoethur is engaging in puns, this time about deer.

    Time to rein it in.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    I don’t see trans having anything to do with this but it’s still a really interesting chart which highlights a trend I was unaware of.

    The theory that smartphones are at least a major contributory sounds plausible but unproven. Smartphones have been around for kids for more than a decade now. Changes in content and social media are possible but would need to be tested.
    Porn plus Twitter plus Facebook plus insta plus discord plus plus plus. Over the past decade or so we've gone quietly insane as we've adjusted to a new unpleasant reality. Leon once said "we all live online" and I think he/she/they/Borg are right, at least for English people in the upper echelons. Sunak believes in 15minute cities being organised to prevent travel, a conspiracy theory. But he's Prime Minister. It's worrying.
  • Venison is just delicious. I say this as a left wing scum.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399
    edited December 2023

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
    The link below gives the article. Although I appreciate PB thinks trans causes all the ills of the world, the articles seems to (it's paywalled) think it's smartphones. This fits in with my headcanon that the confluence of cheaper phones, larger screens (porn-driven), social media and Twitter has created an unpleasant and paranoid view of the world, with deleritous results.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
    Larger screens are causing more porn?
    I would point out that "porn drove the development of larger phone screens", but given your background in computery stuff I assume you knew that already.
    Aren’t women more likely to have giant phones?
    More likely than men (dunno) or before (yes)?
  • theakestheakes Posts: 935
    I have thought for some time the Haley strategy requires second in Iowa, win at South Carolina and then a win at New Hampshire. Trump will be furious and will make gaffe after gaffe and the field should be clear for Haley who will then win the Presidency. I am basically Democrat but have time for her. She will support the Western Alliance and be sensible on Abortion.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,972
    edited December 2023
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
    The link below gives the article. Although I appreciate PB thinks trans causes all the ills of the world, the articles seems to (it's paywalled) think it's smartphones. This fits in with my headcanon that the confluence of cheaper phones, larger screens (porn-driven), social media and Twitter has created an unpleasant and paranoid view of the world, with deleritous results.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
    You're right that there's is a strange and long standing obsession with trans issues on PB. I'd rather hoped the murder of Brianna Ghey might disabuse those with the idea this is just a cynical ploy by perverts to get into women's prisons that this is not so. The danger is from the prejudice
  • How are we going to discuss without Leon?

    He is just getting into the Christmas spirit and giving us a rare rendition of a Silent Night.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,629
    theakes said:

    I have thought for some time the Haley strategy requires second in Iowa, win at South Carolina and then a win at New Hampshire. Trump will be furious and will make gaffe after gaffe and the field should be clear for Haley who will then win the Presidency. I am basically Democrat but have time for her. She will support the Western Alliance and be sensible on Abortion.

    Doesn't New Hampshire come before South Carolina?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740
    TimS said:

    Logged out this morning and @ydoethur was engaging in puns about bishops. Log back in this evening and, yep, Ydoethur is engaging in puns, this time about deer.

    Time to rein it in.

    What we need are puns combining the two.

    How about, the pool of bishops never changes, it's stagnant?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    theakes said:

    I have thought for some time the Haley strategy requires second in Iowa, win at South Carolina and then a win at New Hampshire. Trump will be furious and will make gaffe after gaffe and the field should be clear for Haley who will then win the Presidency. I am basically Democrat but have time for her. She will support the Western Alliance and be sensible on Abortion.

    Possibly, albeit at present DeSantis is second in Iowa not her and Trump still leads in NH even if she is closing the gap. She would also need to hope that Trump doesn't run as an Independent in states he can get on the ballot to do so if she beats him for the nomination
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,191
    ydoethur said:

    TimS said:

    Logged out this morning and @ydoethur was engaging in puns about bishops. Log back in this evening and, yep, Ydoethur is engaging in puns, this time about deer.

    Time to rein it in.

    What we need are puns combining the two.

    How about, the pool of bishops never changes, it's stagnant?
    Are you suggesting that they share the same mitre-chondrial DNA?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,466

    On topic, probably not but it's certainly possible there could be an upset.

    Fact remains though that unless *any* of the non-Trump candidates can (1) beat the rest of them off quickly, (2) consolidate the anti-Trump vote, and (3) swing at least a quarter of the Trump vote to them and/or bring in new voters to them, Trump wins at a canter.

    And how do any of them do that without going after Trump, and rejecting his framing of the election? They can't - yet they're not.

    Tactically they can’t yet. Only once they are the Not Trump candidate can they start.

    Otherwise they get crushed
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,679
    ydoethur said:

    TimS said:

    Logged out this morning and @ydoethur was engaging in puns about bishops. Log back in this evening and, yep, Ydoethur is engaging in puns, this time about deer.

    Time to rein it in.

    What we need are puns combining the two.

    How about, the pool of bishops never changes, it's stagnant?
    Why did the bishop cross the road?
    To get to the other doecese.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,466

    Looking very good for Haley. Time for a new generation. Trump won't be the GOP candidate.

    Go Nikki!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,004
    edited December 2023
    Arsenal with their candidate for worst away kit of the season. The green/yellow zebras.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,712

    Looking very good for Haley. Time for a new generation. Trump won't be the GOP candidate.

    Go Nikki!
    To be honest, I don’t like the prospect of ANY of the Republican candidates. Trump’s the worst of them though!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,347
    O/t but it is Christmas, so on the social conscience principle ...

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/23/england-childrens-care-homes-backed-by-private-equity-firms-double-over-five-years

    Interesting sequel to the discussion on here of profits to be made from LAs needing specialist education for children. This is, of course, about children's homes, but I daresay there is some overlap.

    'Industry experts said that private equity and investment groups had been attracted to the sector in recent years by the growing demand for children’s care, especially for those youngsters with complex needs.

    While councils have struggled financially for more than a decade, they are legally obliged to find appropriate specialist care, education and accommodation for children recognised as requiring the state’s support. This appears to have provided reliable income for investment groups.'
  • 2024 POTUS Primary and Caucus Calendar from New Year's to Super Tuesday

    January 15 > Iowa REPUBLICAN Precinct Caucuses

    January 23 > New Hampshire Primary

    February 3 > South Carolina DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 6 > Nevada DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 8 > Nevada REPUBLICAN Caucus; Virgin Island REPUBLICAN Caucus

    February 24 > South Carolina REPUBLICAN Primary

    February 27 > Michigan Primary

    March 2 > Idaho Republican Caucus; Missouri Republican Caucus

    March 3 > District of Columbia Republican Primary

    March 4 > North Dakota Republican Caucus

    March 5 = SUPER TUESDAY with D&R primaries in 13 states (AL, Ark, CA, CO, Maine, Mass, Minn, NC, OK, TN, TX, VA, VT) also Iowa Democratic caucus, Alaska Rep caucus, Utah Dem primary, Utah Rep caucus, and . . . wait for it . . . American Samoa D&R caucuses.

    source
    https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-calendar/
  • Looking very good for Haley. Time for a new generation. Trump won't be the GOP candidate.

    Go Nikki!
    To be honest, I don’t like the prospect of ANY of the Republican candidates. Trump’s the worst of them though!
    And Nikki Haley is the best.

    Not saying much, as the rest of GOP field are vicious curs, with Trump the most rabid.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,125
    viewcode said:

    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    Trans zombies are threatening the purity of our precious bodily fluids.
    A sterling response.
    Ah, purity of essence... :)
    A ripping riposte
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,645
    TimS said:

    Logged out this morning and @ydoethur was engaging in puns about bishops. Log back in this evening and, yep, Ydoethur is engaging in puns, this time about deer.

    Time to rein it in.

    soon as your buck is turned, he’s at it again
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,125

    Venison is just delicious. I say this as a left wing scum.

    Version is just delicious. I say this as someone who regards Attila as having been Woke.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,294
    kinabalu said:

    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?

    This is emerging as the biggest thing to cling to if Trump does somehow get himself back into the oval office. He might not trigger WW3.
    His opposition to liberal imperial wars was one of the main parts of his platform from the beginning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpW3yn0d0mE
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,201

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    I am cooking a lentil bake with black garlic and chestnuts (& various other things), which will be indeed be delicious.

    Also a chicken stock for tomorrow.
  • Die Hard is on Channel 4 tonight at 9pm.

    Just saying.

    Really getting into the Christmas spirit now then :)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    edited December 2023

    Die Hard is on Channel 4 tonight at 9pm.

    Just saying.

    What? At Christmas?

    They'll be putting pineapple on the Radiohead next.

    (I may not have quite got this.)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,125

    Die Hard is on Channel 4 tonight at 9pm.

    Just saying.

    This is good when drunk - https://youtu.be/a53e4HHnx_s?si=9Hmb2xnN_o03nS6O
  • With respect to 2024 US presidential primaries and caucuses NOTE that the calendar has been in flux, even more than most cycles, but is starting to solidify.

    The key date was finally set in October, when the New Hampshire secretary of state declared that date of 2024 NH Primary was Tuesday, January 15.

    Further note that in many states (esp. those early in the calendar) Democratic and Republican dates diverge, as to method (primary or caucus, or sometimes both, again depending on party.

    Main reasons for the confusion re: timeline were

    > for Democrats, major change in calendar giving precedence to South Carolina and Nevada over Iowa and New Hampshire; note that NH refused to go along (no surprise there) and according to Dem party rules get stripped of its DNC delegate, which will almost certainly be restored at the actual convention; BTW this is reason (one anyway?) that Joe Biden is NOT on NH Democratic ballot 'cause he did NOT file; instead write-in campaign being mounted on his behalf.

    > for Republicans, calendar and procedure changes pushed by Trump campaign and MAGA-maniacs to frontload the process in his favor, with goal of heading off GOP opposition at the pass by clinching nomination for Trump ASAP if not before.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,352

    2024 POTUS Primary and Caucus Calendar from New Year's to Super Tuesday

    January 15 > Iowa REPUBLICAN Precinct Caucuses

    January 23 > New Hampshire Primary

    February 3 > South Carolina DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 6 > Nevada DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 8 > Nevada REPUBLICAN Caucus; Virgin Island REPUBLICAN Caucus

    February 24 > South Carolina REPUBLICAN Primary

    February 27 > Michigan Primary

    March 2 > Idaho Republican Caucus; Missouri Republican Caucus

    March 3 > District of Columbia Republican Primary

    March 4 > North Dakota Republican Caucus

    March 5 = SUPER TUESDAY with D&R primaries in 13 states (AL, Ark, CA, CO, Maine, Mass, Minn, NC, OK, TN, TX, VA, VT) also Iowa Democratic caucus, Alaska Rep caucus, Utah Dem primary, Utah Rep caucus, and . . . wait for it . . . American Samoa D&R caucuses.

    source
    https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-calendar/

    The standard media commentary on Iowa is that a caucus is a niche, unusual thing, and yet that listing notes no less than 8 Republican caucuses.

    Was this always the case, or have the Republicans edged further towards caucuses.

    Again, the media narrative is that they are high minded, quite quaint and genteel things. I wonder about the prospect of MAGA turning them into the equivalent of 1970s UK Union Mass Meetings, for which the media narrative was of seething masses of bullying and intimidation.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,038
    edited December 2023
    SSI2 doesn't like, among others, chimney sweeps who become billionaires:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Burgum

    Or men who prosecute white supremacists:
    " At age 31, Hutchinson was the nation's youngest U.S. attorney. He made national headlines after successfully prosecuting The Covenant, The Sword, and The Arm of the Lord (CSA), a white supremacist organization founded by polygamist James Ellison. The CSA forced a three-day armed standoff with local, state, and federal law enforcement. As U.S. attorney, Hutchinson personally negotiated a peaceful conclusion to the standoff.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Hutchinson


  • Call me old fashioned or just plain ignorant, but am bit shocked that folks are putting down their money and betting on US presidential primaries and caucuses and do NOT know key details regarding the timeline and rule.

    Like what comes before what? In situations where result(s) one week influence result(s) the next week, etc., etc.

    AND who is eligible to vote?

    Is it a closed primary, like New Hampshire, where only registered Democrats may vote in Democratic primary, and Republicans in Republican primary; non-affiliated voters may chose either Dem or Rep ballot, but deadline for changing from one party to another has come and gone.

    OR is it an open meeting, as with Iowa Republican precinct caucuses, limited to eligible Iowa voters who are also registered Republicans, however attendees may registered AND change party registration at the meeting; then assembled GOPers declare their candidate preferences, which are totaled there AND at the district and state level.

    Note Iowa GOP does NOT do the Democratic 15% threshold followed by reallocation of supporters to surviving candidate thing; Republicans have never used that method. Which is a royal pain in the ass, speaking as one who has been there and done that, with Democrats in Iowa and WA State.
  • Merry Xmas Eve Eve! Bah Humbug to You & Yours!! Ho, Ho, Ho!!!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,661
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    I mean that the rise in transexualism could be just a symptom of a broader crisis in the development of secure identities that's also manifested in teenage suicide.
    Ah I see, a more coherent point. Hmm. It's not a stupid question.

    I think trans and its causes are multivariate and not easily reducible to a single thing, hence the difficulty in analysis and wide variety in estimates. Plus you'd have to look at the baseline: what does a "secure identity" mean in this world? So although I think it may be a contributing factor, I'd balk at saying it's the contributing factor.

    Incidentally the treatment of trans people varies around the world, ranging from laissez-faire to more oppressive treatment. This provides us with a real-time world-wide experiment from which such a multivariate model may be constructed. If I had a year or two and the funding, I'd give it a go. I'll be free in early 2025 if any rich people are reading this (waves)
    Yes, from the debate here (esp in the last couple of years) you'd have thought Self-Id was the most outre and bleeding edge of notions, but there are several countries who have that as the basis for gender recognition.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,201

    SSI2 doesn't like, among others, chimney sweeps who become billionaires:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Burgum

    Or men who prosecute white supremacists:
    " At age 31, Hutchinson was the nation's youngest U.S. attorney. He made national headlines after successfully prosecuting The Covenant, The Sword, and The Arm of the Lord (CSA), a white supremacist organization founded by polygamist James Ellison. The CSA forced a three-day armed standoff with local, state, and federal law enforcement. As U.S. attorney, Hutchinson personally negotiated a peaceful conclusion to the standoff.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Hutchinson


    Neither do the Republican selectorate.
  • SSI2 doesn't like, among others, chimney sweeps who become billionaires:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Burgum

    Or men who prosecute white supremacists:
    " At age 31, Hutchinson was the nation's youngest U.S. attorney. He made national headlines after successfully prosecuting The Covenant, The Sword, and The Arm of the Lord (CSA), a white supremacist organization founded by polygamist James Ellison. The CSA forced a three-day armed standoff with local, state, and federal law enforcement. As U.S. attorney, Hutchinson personally negotiated a peaceful conclusion to the standoff.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Hutchinson


    And Merry Christmas to you, too!

    Calling Burgum and Hutchinson curs IS a bit much. So is calling them serious POTUS prospects.

    Dakota Doug Burgum reminds me of another guv from Great Plains who got the presidential bug in 1932:
    > Alfalfa Bill Murray of Oklahoma, also had colorful past; his slogan "Bread, Butter, Bacon and Beans!"

    IF only your 2024 favorite could have crafted as effective a soundbite!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,661

    kinabalu said:

    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?

    This is emerging as the biggest thing to cling to if Trump does somehow get himself back into the oval office. He might not trigger WW3.
    His opposition to liberal imperial wars was one of the main parts of his platform from the beginning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpW3yn0d0mE
    Yet he ramped up military spending and had a crush on generals. Something's not quite scanning.
  • Die Hard is a Christmas film.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,038
    Nigelb - Both Burgum and Hutchinson have won elections in the past - and would have done much better this time, if we had serious journalists covering this election.

    But we don't.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,069
    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
    I mean that the rise in transexualism could be just a symptom of a broader crisis in the development of secure identities that's also manifested in teenage suicide.
    Ah I see, a more coherent point. Hmm. It's not a stupid question.

    I think trans and its causes are multivariate and not easily reducible to a single thing, hence the difficulty in analysis and wide variety in estimates. Plus you'd have to look at the baseline: what does a "secure identity" mean in this world? So although I think it may be a contributing factor, I'd balk at saying it's the contributing factor.

    Incidentally the treatment of trans people varies around the world, ranging from laissez-faire to more oppressive treatment. This provides us with a real-time world-wide experiment from which such a multivariate model may be constructed. If I had a year or two and the funding, I'd give it a go. I'll be free in early 2025 if any rich people are reading this (waves)
    Yes, from the debate here (esp in the last couple of years) you'd have thought Self-Id was the most outre and bleeding edge of notions, but there are several countries who have that as the basis for gender recognition.
    And was going to be introduced by Theresa May.

    Then Boris became PM and made a woman who voted against gay marriage Home Secretary.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,515
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
    The link below gives the article. Although I appreciate PB thinks trans causes all the ills of the world, the articles seems to (it's paywalled) think it's smartphones. This fits in with my headcanon that the confluence of cheaper phones, larger screens (porn-driven), social media and Twitter has created an unpleasant and paranoid view of the world, with deleritous results.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
    Are you really saying that people's desire for larger phone screens is because of porn?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,347

    Venison is just delicious. I say this as a left wing scum.

    Version is just delicious. I say this as someone who regards Attila as having been Woke.
    We have two pheasants, one to be stewed in red wine with celeriac and other roots, as usual for Christmas
  • Pro_Rata said:

    2024 POTUS Primary and Caucus Calendar from New Year's to Super Tuesday

    January 15 > Iowa REPUBLICAN Precinct Caucuses

    January 23 > New Hampshire Primary

    February 3 > South Carolina DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 6 > Nevada DEMOCRATIC Primary

    February 8 > Nevada REPUBLICAN Caucus; Virgin Island REPUBLICAN Caucus

    February 24 > South Carolina REPUBLICAN Primary

    February 27 > Michigan Primary

    March 2 > Idaho Republican Caucus; Missouri Republican Caucus

    March 3 > District of Columbia Republican Primary

    March 4 > North Dakota Republican Caucus

    March 5 = SUPER TUESDAY with D&R primaries in 13 states (AL, Ark, CA, CO, Maine, Mass, Minn, NC, OK, TN, TX, VA, VT) also Iowa Democratic caucus, Alaska Rep caucus, Utah Dem primary, Utah Rep caucus, and . . . wait for it . . . American Samoa D&R caucuses.

    source
    https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-calendar/

    The standard media commentary on Iowa is that a caucus is a niche, unusual thing, and yet that listing notes no less than 8 Republican caucuses.

    Was this always the case, or have the Republicans edged further towards caucuses.

    Again, the media narrative is that they are high minded, quite quaint and genteel things. I wonder about the prospect of MAGA turning them into the equivalent of 1970s UK Union Mass Meetings, for which the media narrative was of seething masses of bullying and intimidation.
    In recent years, Democratic party policy has been to replace precinct caucuses with primaries, on the grounds that primaries are more small-d democratic because participation is much greater than caucus meetings; and also because the logistics of managing hundreds or thousands of precinct meetings across even a medium-size state are increasing challenging, to put it mildly.

    I heartily endorse this view and policy. Speaking as one who cut my own presidential campaign eyeteeth in snows of Iowa, who played a major role in a series of caucus campaigns there AND in WA State, and who chaired the last couple of caucuses held in my own precinct.

    Rule of thumb is, the more people who show up, the less high-minded, quaint or genteel. And more of an ordeal.

    Republican retention, even increase in caucuses is due this season to wanting to give Trump boost, and long term by desire for cozy clubhouse atmosphere dominating by whomever is currently dominant among local GOP apparatchiks.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,347

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
    The link below gives the article. Although I appreciate PB thinks trans causes all the ills of the world, the articles seems to (it's paywalled) think it's smartphones. This fits in with my headcanon that the confluence of cheaper phones, larger screens (porn-driven), social media and Twitter has created an unpleasant and paranoid view of the world, with deleritous results.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
    Are you really saying that people's desire for larger phone screens is because of porn?
    Well, it's psychological. All that sexting stuff these days, you need to wave around a larger and larger screen to make folk think you really need it to capture every centimetre. The opposite of Veblen theory.
  • Nigelb - Both Burgum and Hutchinson have won elections in the past - and would have done much better this time, if we had serious journalists covering this election.

    But we don't.

    "Much" doing some heavy lifting. Seeing as how 4th estate not totally responsible for B & H's lack of traction on campaign trail.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
    The link below gives the article. Although I appreciate PB thinks trans causes all the ills of the world, the articles seems to (it's paywalled) think it's smartphones. This fits in with my headcanon that the confluence of cheaper phones, larger screens (porn-driven), social media and Twitter has created an unpleasant and paranoid view of the world, with deleritous results.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
    Are you really saying that people's desire for larger phone screens is because of porn?
    Yes.

    https://linustechtips.com/topic/508018-why-are-phone-screens-getting-bigger/


  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    Carnyx said:

    Venison is just delicious. I say this as a left wing scum.

    Version is just delicious. I say this as someone who regards Attila as having been Woke.
    We have two pheasants, one to be stewed in red wine with celeriac and other roots, as usual for Christmas
    I’m having a French Christmas this year so it’s Capon, complete with mildly patronising sales patter from the butcher who checked that yes, I am aware it still has its innards in and I’ll remove them and yes I do want the head still attached because it’ll make my children laugh.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?

    This is emerging as the biggest thing to cling to if Trump does somehow get himself back into the oval office. He might not trigger WW3.
    His opposition to liberal imperial wars was one of the main parts of his platform from the beginning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpW3yn0d0mE
    Yet he ramped up military spending and had a crush on generals. Something's not quite scanning.
    In the early years of populist leaders they need the military for reflected glory and security against possible coups. I think the foreign wars come later when domestic popularity starts to stall.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Die Hard is a Christmas film.

    So are Gremlins, The Lion The Witch And The Wardrobe, and Eyes Wide Shut.
  • TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    Venison is just delicious. I say this as a left wing scum.

    Version is just delicious. I say this as someone who regards Attila as having been Woke.
    We have two pheasants, one to be stewed in red wine with celeriac and other roots, as usual for Christmas
    I’m having a French Christmas this year so it’s Capon, complete with mildly patronising sales patter from the butcher who checked that yes, I am aware it still has its innards in and I’ll remove them and yes I do want the head still attached because it’ll make my children laugh.
    To increase holiday jollity, and in consideration of comic capon coxcomb, perhaps consider viewing "The Ghost and Mr Chicken" dubbed into French? ("Le fantôme et M. Poulet")
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,466

    Haley hates trans people.

    No, she doesn’t.

    She is concerned that an activist led agenda is promoting trans rights at the expense of teenage girls, but that’s something different entirely.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,466

    https://twitter.com/sandrabo2015/status/1738390210046562658

    How is this fake news allowed to circulate? Does Twitter not do context anymore?

    So what context would you add?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,201
    edited December 2023
    Ah, I see why the Trump fans have been wittering on about the 'slow' pace of the Jan 6 investigation.

    The Supreme Court has unanimously rejected Deranged Jack Smith’s “SUPER SPEEDY” lawsuit against me. This sick puppies team of Lowlifes and Radical Left Thugs could have brought this “case” 3 years ago, and it would be long over by now. No, they waited until right in the middle of my very successful campaign for President...
    https://twitter.com/TrumpDailyPosts/status/1738595192113176787


    Of course the fad fool doesn't seem to recall that three years ago he was still in the planning stage of his attempted coup.

    Pathetic of those following this line.


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,201

    Nigelb - Both Burgum and Hutchinson have won elections in the past - and would have done much better this time, if we had serious journalists covering this election.

    But we don't.

    "Much" doing some heavy lifting. Seeing as how 4th estate not totally responsible for B & H's lack of traction on campaign trail.
    TBF, there are plenty of perfectly worthy politicians - former (Democratic) Louisiana governor John Bel Edwards is another example - who have little or no realistic prospects of a successful presidential run.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214

    I've not quite finished for Christmas, I'm working tomorrow doing parcels, but today was the last mail round

    It was a pretty light day for mail, so I decided to try to do a tiny little bit of good. I knocked on loads of doors today just to wish people a Merry Christmas and have a quick chat

    They're people who live on their own, some always waiting for their carers, or those who care for a partner, or single mums - all people who might get lonely

    All of them thanked me for cheering up their day and were smiling when I left. In case anyone wonders whether I was whoring for tips; I refused the only two that were almost offered

    I really was just trying to be nice, and I've had a jolly spring in my step all day

    I'm the nicest I am in the whole year at Christmas. I give tips and donations to people and charities galore.

    It always feels good and it's sort of what Christmas is about, in my view.

    I should probably do more of it the rest of the year.
    Funny isn’t it? Costs nothing, but we generally pull back from airy cheerfulness with the general public most of the year. Even the patronising Capon butcher had a twinkle in his eye today.
  • https://twitter.com/sandrabo2015/status/1738390210046562658

    How is this fake news allowed to circulate? Does Twitter not do context anymore?

    So what context would you add?
    They got her name wrong, they got her age wrong, they got when she died wrong, they have got everything wrong.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,214

    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    Venison is just delicious. I say this as a left wing scum.

    Version is just delicious. I say this as someone who regards Attila as having been Woke.
    We have two pheasants, one to be stewed in red wine with celeriac and other roots, as usual for Christmas
    I’m having a French Christmas this year so it’s Capon, complete with mildly patronising sales patter from the butcher who checked that yes, I am aware it still has its innards in and I’ll remove them and yes I do want the head still attached because it’ll make my children laugh.
    To increase holiday jollity, and in consideration of comic capon coxcomb, perhaps consider viewing "The Ghost and Mr Chicken" dubbed into French? ("Le fantôme et M. Poulet")
    I’d not heard of it until this evening. Is it actually a good film or did the name just fit?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,191
    Things we have learnt today:

    Catching someone who has stolen a road sign is a priority for the Metropolitan Police.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,004
    1-1 to Man City.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,740

    Things we have learnt today:

    Catching someone who has stolen a road sign is a priority for the Metropolitan Police.

    Well, we can't have them wasting time catching the murderers, rapists and paedos in their ranks.
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,452
    edited December 2023
    ydoethur said:

    Things we have learnt today:

    Catching someone who has stolen a road sign is a priority for the Metropolitan Police.

    Well, we can't have them wasting time catching the murderers, rapists and paedos in their ranks.
    Surely the Met Chief deserves a gong for such outstanding public service?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,399
    edited December 2023

    https://twitter.com/sandrabo2015/status/1738390210046562658

    How is this fake news allowed to circulate? Does Twitter not do context anymore?

    So what context would you add?
    I've just had a look at the thread. The debate is whether the woman is 16yr old person X or 21yr old person Y and whether she was killed by Hamas or the IDF. I have no idea what is the truth and will not speculate (remember my self-denying ordinance on this) but I can say that when AI can produce many exact images and bots can reproduce many exact people (very close now if Leon is right) then things like this will devolve from difficult to nightmarish. How will we cope when threads are entirely fictional and indistinguishable from real ones?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,191

    ydoethur said:

    Things we have learnt today:

    Catching someone who has stolen a road sign is a priority for the Metropolitan Police.

    Well, we can't have them wasting time catching the murderers, rapists and paedos in their ranks.
    Surely the Met Chief deserves a gong for such outstanding public service?
    A large, red, octagonal gong.
  • TimS said:

    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    Venison is just delicious. I say this as a left wing scum.

    Version is just delicious. I say this as someone who regards Attila as having been Woke.
    We have two pheasants, one to be stewed in red wine with celeriac and other roots, as usual for Christmas
    I’m having a French Christmas this year so it’s Capon, complete with mildly patronising sales patter from the butcher who checked that yes, I am aware it still has its innards in and I’ll remove them and yes I do want the head still attached because it’ll make my children laugh.
    To increase holiday jollity, and in consideration of comic capon coxcomb, perhaps consider viewing "The Ghost and Mr Chicken" dubbed into French? ("Le fantôme et M. Poulet")
    I’d not heard of it until this evening. Is it actually a good film or did the name just fit?
    Trailer - The Ghost and Mr Chicken
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4dR0d8CBg

    starring the late, great Don Knotts.
  • Haley hates trans people.

    No, she doesn’t.

    She is concerned that an activist led agenda is promoting trans rights at the expense of teenage girls, but that’s something different entirely.
    I think making things up about suicide involving girls because of trans issues is pretty hateful.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,201

    I've not quite finished for Christmas, I'm working tomorrow doing parcels, but today was the last mail round

    It was a pretty light day for mail, so I decided to try to do a tiny little bit of good. I knocked on loads of doors today just to wish people a Merry Christmas and have a quick chat

    They're people who live on their own, some always waiting for their carers, or those who care for a partner, or single mums - all people who might get lonely

    All of them thanked me for cheering up their day and were smiling when I left. In case anyone wonders whether I was whoring for tips; I refused the only two that were almost offered

    I really was just trying to be nice, and I've had a jolly spring in my step all day

    You probably won't get a knighthood like Welby - but you're more likely to get our likes.
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