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Is New Hampshire about to dump Trump? – politicalbetting.com

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edited January 1 in General
Is New Hampshire about to dump Trump? – politicalbetting.com

Trump rails after poll shows Nikki Haley within four points in New Hampshire https://t.co/vi2h8XndUZ pic.twitter.com/tBT090W1z4

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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,893
    If Trump does lose an early primary or caucus it is likely to be New Hampshire which tends to vote for GOP moderates like McCain and Romney. In 2016 Trump was arguably the moderate candidate when he beat Cruz in New Hampshire
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,186
    No?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,905
    Go Forth and have a Merry Christmas.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,905
    FPT:
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    No and no. You can't be a Tory and not support the monarchy and Church of England as established church for starters.
    While Welby has criticised the government's Rwanda policy on refugees he also joined the Conservatives in criticising anti Semitism within the then Corbyn led Labour party at the last general election let us not forget.

    If the King wishes to knight the Archbishop for his help in the coronation that is up to him

    Can’t one be a Conservative and a humanist? Or are Tories and Conservatives (slightly) different beings?

    Not that I’ve ever considered being either!
    You could in theory be a Tory humanist but only if you supported the monarchy and the Church of England remaining the established church.

    Tories are a subset of the Conservative party now along with free market liberals, social conservatives and Brexiteers
    Why, apart from historical ‘habit’ do we have to have an ‘established’ church? Especially one which probably doesn’t have the biggest membership?
    Why not, if we have to bring religion into ceremonies, let the various religions and denominations take turns? Or share the ceremonies?
    As everyone who lives in their Parish is automatically entitled to be married or buried in their local Church of England Parish Church.

    No such entitlement is given to be married or buried in any other denomination or religions place of worship unless you are a regular attendee.

    Of course the Church of England was also set up as established church with the King as its head so the Roman Catholic church would cease to be the national church
    You are not automatically entitled to be buried in a Church of England church. Not least because very few of them now have active graveyards.

    You are entitled to a funeral there if you live within the parish, which is somewhat different.
    I don't think "very few having active graveyards" is accurate, but I also don't know where to find the precise number that are open (the best way may be a survey of Diocesan Chancellors, who should know for their Diocese, or perhaps a phone call to the Church Commissioners).

    IMO the number open is likely to be perhaps 50-60% from a former total of 18,000, depending on whether you count open-for-spouses-to-be-interred-with-their-partner, special permission from an Archbishop, or columbaria for interment of ashes. There is some information here from historic England:
    https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/publications/cemeteries-churchyards-burial-grounds/cemeteries-churchyards-burial-grounds/

    Entitlement to be buried in a CofE churchyard is:

    Unless the churchyard is closed by Order in Council under the Burial Act of 1853 the following people have a right to be buried in your churchyard:

    Residents in your parish
    Those whose names are on the church electoral roll
    Those dying in your parish
    An incumbent can also allow anyone else to be buried in your churchyard. But you should get guidance from your Parochial Church Council.

    https://www.churchofengland.org/resources/churchcare/advice-and-guidance-church-buildings/new-burials-and-memorials
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,905
    edited December 2023
    Also, US Election news from Wisconsin. The Wisconsin Supreme Court has thrown out the Electoral Map as being gerrymandered.

    Seems a reasonable decision - this is a snippet of the legal claim that has succeeded.

    There are 99 seats in the state legislature.


    A case may be possible wrt the Congressional Map, where the state has I think 6 Republicans to 2 Democrats, for a nearly 50:50 division of the vote.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,186
    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I like 37s for the reasons I gave in the previous thread. It's difficult to argue that they've not been one of the most successful classes ever in Britain.

    I like Peaks (particularly the 44s) because many were built at Derby, they look good, and many were built in Derby. They also sound quite good under power, and were in their dying days when I first got interested in trains; (in Derby, if you had not guessed). I loved the HSTs that replaced them, but the old gals still had some dignity about them.

    They were also bult in Derby. Had I mentioned they were built in Derby?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,186

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I like 37s for the reasons I gave in the previous thread. It's difficult to argue that they've not been one of the most successful classes ever in Britain.

    I like Peaks (particularly the 44s) because many were built at Derby, they look good, and many were built in Derby. They also sound quite good under power, and were in their dying days when I first got interested in trains; (in Derby, if you had not guessed). I loved the HSTs that replaced them, but the old gals still had some dignity about them.

    They were also bult in Derby. Had I mentioned they were built in Derby?
    "I loved the HSTs"

    Now I am totally lost for words!
  • Hello PB. Android or iOS?

    [Repeat from last thread]
  • Hello PB.

    Android or iOS?

    Android every time. :)
    I'm more of an iOS chap, why do you like Android? :)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,186
    Looking at the latest ISW update, Russia is making advances in various locations along the front line. Now hopefully this is costing them dearly for minimal gains, but the previous progress being made by Ukraine has stalled and gone into reverse.

    This is going to be a long, long war.
  • On topic, probably not but it's certainly possible there could be an upset.

    Fact remains though that unless *any* of the non-Trump candidates can (1) beat the rest of them off quickly, (2) consolidate the anti-Trump vote, and (3) swing at least a quarter of the Trump vote to them and/or bring in new voters to them, Trump wins at a canter.

    And how do any of them do that without going after Trump, and rejecting his framing of the election? They can't - yet they're not.
  • FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    My consistency is: powerrrrrr!!!

    FWIW, I don't have anything against 37s in their role*; they're just a bit rough.

    * Unless you live next to a line where one accelerates past at 5am.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,186
    An early Christmas present for the vast majority of football fans, as Man U lose to the Hammers.

    Glory hunting fans, please explain?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,147
    edited December 2023

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    My consistency is: powerrrrrr!!!

    FWIW, I don't have anything against 37s in their role*; they're just a bit rough.

    * Unless you live next to a line where one accelerates past at 5am.
    There are times when you wish for the return of the old ‘off topic’ button below our posts on here.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,186

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    My consistency is: powerrrrrr!!!

    FWIW, I don't have anything against 37s in their role*; they're just a bit rough.

    * Unless you live next to a line where one accelerates past at 5am.
    A 37 giving it full whack is one of the greatest audio experiences known to humankind.

    For those in any doubt, try this:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OAT6VtnPNV8
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I like 37s for the reasons I gave in the previous thread. It's difficult to argue that they've not been one of the most successful classes ever in Britain.

    I like Peaks (particularly the 44s) because many were built at Derby, they look good, and many were built in Derby. They also sound quite good under power, and were in their dying days when I first got interested in trains; (in Derby, if you had not guessed). I loved the HSTs that replaced them, but the old gals still had some dignity about them.

    They were also bult in Derby. Had I mentioned they were built in Derby?
    "I loved the HSTs"

    Now I am totally lost for words!
    Think that's bad? I really like the Class 150s. And the 151...
  • Have I accidentally wandered into class37chat.com?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469

    Have I accidentally wandered into class37chat.com?

    puredieselporn.com
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,124
    A

    Have I accidentally wandered into class37chat.com?

    Class37andClass55chat.com
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    On topic, probably not but it's certainly possible there could be an upset.

    Fact remains though that unless *any* of the non-Trump candidates can (1) beat the rest of them off quickly, (2) consolidate the anti-Trump vote, and (3) swing at least a quarter of the Trump vote to them and/or bring in new voters to them, Trump wins at a canter.

    And how do any of them do that without going after Trump, and rejecting his framing of the election? They can't - yet they're not.

    If Hayley wins in New Hampshire (and it's a big if), then I think she will rapidly consolidate the non-Trump vote. She should certainly pick up the vast bulk of Christie's support, for example.

    The interesting question then is whether Trump will debate her. Because ducking out from debating the Four Dwarves is one thing, ducking out from someone who has just beat you in a primary is another.
  • Looking very good for Haley. Time for a new generation. Trump won't be the GOP candidate.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,710

    An early Christmas present for the vast majority of football fans, as Man U lose to the Hammers.

    Glory hunting fans, please explain?

    Man U’s bubble has burst?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,905
    Also FPT, betting on bishops.
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    An interesting move from the King.

    I wonder if it's a sign Welby is considering retirement in the near future? I know he's said he would go on to 70 but he's had rather a lot on his plate since his sabbatical.

    Would be some fun betting opportunities on the replacement. Graham Usher would surely start as favourite but that would seriously annoy the evangelical wing of the church.

    The Bishops of London and Newcastle would also be contenders as first female Archbishop. Either way it will likely be a liberal Catholic after the conservative evangelical Welby on the usual rotation eg liberal Catholic Runcie, conservative evangelical Carey, liberal Catholic Williams, conservative evangelical Welby
    I don't think that either Carey or Welby can be called conservative evangelicals.

    George Carey was influenced by charismatic renewal, and wrote a book about Anglican-RC rapprochment called The Meeting of the Waters.

    Justin Welby was formed by Holy Trinity Brompton, followed by a very varied history including Coventry Cathedral, and has imo been far more successful than Carey in reaching to all traditions in the CofE. Much of that is that the CofE is now more open to greater diversity.

    A conservative evangelical would be from somewhere more like All Souls Langham Place, St Helens Bishopsgate, St Ebbes Oxford or Christ Church Fulwood near @TSE Land.

    IMO the last ABC who could be called (at a stretch) a conservative evangelical was Donald Coggan 1974 to 1980, but even he was a supporter of womens' ordination even then, and furthered relations with the Roman Catholics.

    On the betting market, ABC's have been remarkably consistent in the lengths of their terms since 1980 at 10-11 years each for Robert Runcie, George Carey and Rowan Williams, with a Lambeth Conference a couple of years from the end once they have become well established.

    Justin Welby did his Lambeth Conference in 2022, having become ABC in March 2013.

    So that perhaps argues for 2024 being a more likely departure date than 2025, absent other factors.

    It's also worth looking at whether they want a long-term-Bishop being translated to Canterbury, or a rapid promotion as were Welby and Carey, a scholar like Williams (who speaks 3 languages and reads 9), someone like Runcie who had been the Bishop of St Albans for nearly a decade, or something entirely different.
  • I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
  • Looking very good for Haley. Time for a new generation. Trump won't be the GOP candidate.

    It might have just comet oo early for her.
  • I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    You left wing scum.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Why? Have we suddenly started talking about venison?
  • ydoethur said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Why? Have we suddenly started talking about venison?
    I go to these places and I am just appalled to see so many vegetarian options. It is all left wing propaganda.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,556

    Looking very good for Haley. Time for a new generation. Trump won't be the GOP candidate.

    It might have just comet oo early for her.
    I don’t know, she’s got quite a lot going for her, she’s a bit of a vixen, the big money donners might switch to her which might lead to her Blitzen Trump and his sidekick Rudolph Giuliani.
  • I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    You left wing scum.
    Woke left wing scum, please.
    You woke left wing scum scum
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,905
    MattW said:

    Also FPT, betting on bishops.

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    An interesting move from the King.

    I wonder if it's a sign Welby is considering retirement in the near future? I know he's said he would go on to 70 but he's had rather a lot on his plate since his sabbatical.

    Would be some fun betting opportunities on the replacement. Graham Usher would surely start as favourite but that would seriously annoy the evangelical wing of the church.

    The Bishops of London and Newcastle would also be contenders as first female Archbishop. Either way it will likely be a liberal Catholic after the conservative evangelical Welby on the usual rotation eg liberal Catholic Runcie, conservative evangelical Carey, liberal Catholic Williams, conservative evangelical Welby
    I don't think that either Carey or Welby can be called conservative evangelicals.

    George Carey was influenced by charismatic renewal, and wrote a book about Anglican-RC rapprochment called The Meeting of the Waters.

    Justin Welby was formed by Holy Trinity Brompton, followed by a very varied history including Coventry Cathedral, and has imo been far more successful than Carey in reaching to all traditions in the CofE. Much of that is that the CofE is now more open to greater diversity.

    A conservative evangelical would be from somewhere more like All Souls Langham Place, St Helens Bishopsgate, St Ebbes Oxford or Christ Church Fulwood near @TSE Land.

    IMO the last ABC who could be called (at a stretch) a conservative evangelical was Donald Coggan 1974 to 1980, but even he was a supporter of womens' ordination even then, and furthered relations with the Roman Catholics.

    On the betting market, ABC's have been remarkably consistent in the lengths of their terms since 1980 at 10-11 years each for Robert Runcie, George Carey and Rowan Williams, with a Lambeth Conference a couple of years from the end once they have become well established.

    Justin Welby did his Lambeth Conference in 2022, having become ABC in March 2013.

    So that perhaps argues for 2024 being a more likely departure date than 2025, absent other factors.

    It's also worth looking at whether they want a long-term-Bishop being translated to Canterbury, or a rapid promotion as were Welby and Carey, a scholar like Williams (who speaks 3 languages and reads 9), someone like Runcie who had been the Bishop of St Albans for nearly a decade, or something entirely different.
    I think London is a *very* interesting candidate, being the right age and with significant experience even before being Ordained (Chief Nurse of NHS England), and that Newcastle is perhaps too inexperienced, having only been in post since April 2023 although with 2 bishoprics previously form 2014. Newcastle is 50 years old.

    Perhaps Newcastle is a strong candidate for AB of York next time if the next ABC is a male. Current ABY Stephen Cottrell reaches 70 in 2028.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Show me a man who's a vegan, and I'll show you a man who's trying to shag a vegan.

    You can get in my pants any day x
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I like 37s for the reasons I gave in the previous thread. It's difficult to argue that they've not been one of the most successful classes ever in Britain.

    I like Peaks (particularly the 44s) because many were built at Derby, they look good, and many were built in Derby. They also sound quite good under power, and were in their dying days when I first got interested in trains; (in Derby, if you had not guessed). I loved the HSTs that replaced them, but the old gals still had some dignity about them.

    They were also bult in Derby. Had I mentioned they were built in Derby?
    "I loved the HSTs"

    Now I am totally lost for words!
    Think that's bad? I really like the Class 150s. And the 151...
    I like 150s and 151s. The ones operated by Česke Drahy ;)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,865

    An early Christmas present for the vast majority of football fans, as Man U lose to the Hammers.

    Glory hunting fans, please explain?

    But moving away from the also rans, does the late match today decide the Premiership? Hope springs eternal for the Gunners; but a draw would be OK.
  • MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Also FPT, betting on bishops.

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    An interesting move from the King.

    I wonder if it's a sign Welby is considering retirement in the near future? I know he's said he would go on to 70 but he's had rather a lot on his plate since his sabbatical.

    Would be some fun betting opportunities on the replacement. Graham Usher would surely start as favourite but that would seriously annoy the evangelical wing of the church.

    The Bishops of London and Newcastle would also be contenders as first female Archbishop. Either way it will likely be a liberal Catholic after the conservative evangelical Welby on the usual rotation eg liberal Catholic Runcie, conservative evangelical Carey, liberal Catholic Williams, conservative evangelical Welby
    I don't think that either Carey or Welby can be called conservative evangelicals.

    George Carey was influenced by charismatic renewal, and wrote a book about Anglican-RC rapprochment called The Meeting of the Waters.

    Justin Welby was formed by Holy Trinity Brompton, followed by a very varied history including Coventry Cathedral, and has imo been far more successful than Carey in reaching to all traditions in the CofE. Much of that is that the CofE is now more open to greater diversity.

    A conservative evangelical would be from somewhere more like All Souls Langham Place, St Helens Bishopsgate, St Ebbes Oxford or Christ Church Fulwood near @TSE Land.

    IMO the last ABC who could be called (at a stretch) a conservative evangelical was Donald Coggan 1974 to 1980, but even he was a supporter of womens' ordination even then, and furthered relations with the Roman Catholics.

    On the betting market, ABC's have been remarkably consistent in the lengths of their terms since 1980 at 10-11 years each for Robert Runcie, George Carey and Rowan Williams, with a Lambeth Conference a couple of years from the end once they have become well established.

    Justin Welby did his Lambeth Conference in 2022, having become ABC in March 2013.

    So that perhaps argues for 2024 being a more likely departure date than 2025, absent other factors.

    It's also worth looking at whether they want a long-term-Bishop being translated to Canterbury, or a rapid promotion as were Welby and Carey, a scholar like Williams (who speaks 3 languages and reads 9), someone like Runcie who had been the Bishop of St Albans for nearly a decade, or something entirely different.
    I think London is a *very* interesting candidate, being the right age and with significant experience even before being Ordained (Chief Nurse of NHS England), and that Newcastle is perhaps too inexperienced, having only been in post since April 2023 although with 2 bishoprics previously form 2014. Newcastle is 50 years old.

    Perhaps Newcastle is a strong candidate for AB of York next time if the next ABC is a male. Current ABY Stephen Cottrell reaches 70 in 2028.
    Sarah London has also done a very impressive job extracting some progress on gay blessings out of the church. The decision pleases almost nobody, which means it's probably roughly optimal.

    Whether the communion is ready to cross that particular Rubicon is another matter.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,737
    Just annoyed I backed her in Iowa rather than NH.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,286
    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730
    rcs1000 said:

    Show me a man who's a vegan, and I'll show you a man who's trying to shag a vegan.

    https://youtu.be/tuxKY8Mnpvc?si=mfZh8eBcPZBCb2j_

    (Start at 1.30)
  • On topic, sort of.
    I feel ‘you smell’ is precisely the level of political debate that Trump deserves.




  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,059

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,352
    Off topic: out with my youngest today as the house gets prepared for Santa. Delays are a bonus, so the ideal use case for a trip to Leeds by TPE for a couple of v things we hadn't ticked off.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730

    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?

    I don't recall Biden threatening to go to war with a nuclear power, and Haley seems reasonably sane and intelligent.

    So I'll go with Donald 'Locked and Loaded' Trump.

    (He said it agin in 2019 about Iran.)
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469
    edited December 2023

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    All steam engines are cool, so arguments are pointless!

    The exception are Leaders. Only insane fools could possibly like Leaders...

    edit: and Oi! you said 'otherwise sensible people'. I really, really hope that I'm not included in that. 'Sensible' indeed....
  • .
    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

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    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
    Quite, though there are such issues as poverty or convenience.

    But the common objection on PB is to vegetarian/vegan meals.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730

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    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
    A question I ask myself every time I ponder the worldwide reach of McDonald's.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,038
    Is Sununu one of the most unpopular governors in the US? Well, no:
    https://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1754&context=survey_center_polls

    No doubt your are, like me, shocked that the Loser did not have that fact right.

    /sarc
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    All steam engines are cool, so arguments are pointless!

    The exception are Leaders. Only insane fools could possibly like Leaders...

    edit: and Oi! you said 'otherwise sensible people'. I really, really hope that I'm not included in that. 'Sensible' indeed....
    I recently read a book all about the Leader, with increasingly fascinated horror. I suppose it means something that one can't buy a model one to run on one's miniature railway, at least not till the new year, as a quick check shows.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,038
    In trying to guess the outcome of the New Hampshire primary, I'd look very hard at the expected turnout differences between men and women. For obvious reasons.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    Technically, didn't many diesels have a boiler for steam anyway? For the train heating system.
  • Haley hates trans people.
  • .
    ydoethur said:

    .

    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
    A question I ask myself every time I ponder the worldwide reach of McDonald's.
    Cheap, convenient and designed in a lab to hit all the bliss points, plus we all love America.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,059
    edited December 2023
    Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    All steam engines are cool, so arguments are pointless!

    The exception are Leaders. Only insane fools could possibly like Leaders...

    edit: and Oi! you said 'otherwise sensible people'. I really, really hope that I'm not included in that. 'Sensible' indeed....
    I recently read a book all about the Leader, with increasingly fascinated horror. I suppose it means something that one can't buy a model one to run on one's miniature railway, at least not till the new year, as a quick check shows.
    If the Leader had been successful, we would have lost many glorious years of M7s.
  • https://twitter.com/sandrabo2015/status/1738390210046562658

    How is this fake news allowed to circulate? Does Twitter not do context anymore?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,059

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    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
    Some people live to eat. Others eat to live.
  • boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,186
    Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    Technically, didn't many diesels have a boiler for steam anyway? For the train heating system.
    As did EM2 and some EM1 electric locos.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    All steam engines are cool, so arguments are pointless!

    The exception are Leaders. Only insane fools could possibly like Leaders...

    edit: and Oi! you said 'otherwise sensible people'. I really, really hope that I'm not included in that. 'Sensible' indeed....
    I recently read a book all about the Leader, with increasingly fascinated horror. I suppose it means something that one can't buy a model one to run on one's miniature railway, at least not till the new year, as a quick check shows.
    If the Leader had been successful, we would have lost many glorious years of M7s.
    M7s?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469
    Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    Technically, didn't many diesels have a boiler for steam anyway? For the train heating system.
    Yes; some did, some did not. In the case of locos like the 37s, early ones were steam heat, later ones electric. Then in the 1980s, when almost all locos did not have electric heating, they converted some withdrawn locos into ETHELs (Electric Train Heating Ex Loco)

    https://www.derbysulzers.com/97250.html

    Generally, steam-heat versions of locos were the first to be withdrawn as electric heating became ever more useful with newer coaching stock being electrically heated.

    Steam-heating boilers in locos often proved exceptionally troublesome, including causing a fair few fires.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    Technically, didn't many diesels have a boiler for steam anyway? For the train heating system.
    Yes; some did, some did not. In the case of locos like the 37s, early ones were steam heat, later ones electric. Then in the 1980s, when almost all locos did not have electric heating, they converted some withdrawn locos into ETHELs (Electric Train Heating Ex Loco)

    https://www.derbysulzers.com/97250.html

    Generally, steam-heat versions of locos were the first to be withdrawn as electric heating became ever more useful with newer coaching stock being electrically heated.

    Steam-heating boilers in locos often proved exceptionally troublesome, including causing a fair few fires.
    I think the last ones to use steam heating were the Class 37s running the Glasgow-Mallaig route?
  • rcs1000 said:

    On topic, probably not but it's certainly possible there could be an upset.

    Fact remains though that unless *any* of the non-Trump candidates can (1) beat the rest of them off quickly, (2) consolidate the anti-Trump vote, and (3) swing at least a quarter of the Trump vote to them and/or bring in new voters to them, Trump wins at a canter.

    And how do any of them do that without going after Trump, and rejecting his framing of the election? They can't - yet they're not.

    If Hayley wins in New Hampshire (and it's a big if), then I think she will rapidly consolidate the non-Trump vote. She should certainly pick up the vast bulk of Christie's support, for example.

    The interesting question then is whether Trump will debate her. Because ducking out from debating the Four Dwarves is one thing, ducking out from someone who has just beat you in a primary is another.
    "the vast bulk of Christie's support" - pun intended? Hope so!

    Of course the vast bulk of Chris Christie is about 99.46% hot air . . . as yours truly has been trying to tell you for months . . .
  • Fact that Trump has taken to calling Haley "Birdbrain" is telling . . . telling that he's a dipshit AND frit with it.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,342

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    Technically, didn't many diesels have a boiler for steam anyway? For the train heating system.
    Yes; some did, some did not. In the case of locos like the 37s, early ones were steam heat, later ones electric. Then in the 1980s, when almost all locos did not have electric heating, they converted some withdrawn locos into ETHELs (Electric Train Heating Ex Loco)

    https://www.derbysulzers.com/97250.html

    Generally, steam-heat versions of locos were the first to be withdrawn as electric heating became ever more useful with newer coaching stock being electrically heated.

    Steam-heating boilers in locos often proved exceptionally troublesome, including causing a fair few fires.
    That's most interesting - I hadn't realised why photos of steam loco special trains sometimes have a rather out of place diesel tucked in behind the loco, as if nobody was sufficiently confident in either!
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    .

    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
    Some people live to eat. Others eat to live.
    I'm just befuddled that for some reason PB believes that vegans and vegetarians are forced to eat dogshit tasting food!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730

    Fact that Trump has taken to calling Haley "Birdbrain" is telling . . . telling that he's a dipshit AND frit with it.

    I must disagree with that characterisation.

    You left out 'swindler, perjurer and traitor.'
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730

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    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
    Some people live to eat. Others eat to live.
    I'm just befuddled that for some reason PB believes that vegans and vegetarians are forced to eat dogshit tasting food!
    That doesn't sound very vegan, TBF.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    Out of Biden, Trump and Haley, which one is most likely to get involved in a major war?

    That's easy: Trump.

    Because he's so desperate to avoid one.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,186

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    Technically, didn't many diesels have a boiler for steam anyway? For the train heating system.
    Yes; some did, some did not. In the case of locos like the 37s, early ones were steam heat, later ones electric. Then in the 1980s, when almost all locos did not have electric heating, they converted some withdrawn locos into ETHELs (Electric Train Heating Ex Loco)

    https://www.derbysulzers.com/97250.html

    Generally, steam-heat versions of locos were the first to be withdrawn as electric heating became ever more useful with newer coaching stock being electrically heated.

    Steam-heating boilers in locos often proved exceptionally troublesome, including causing a fair few fires.
    The ETHELs were a stop gap after Mark 3 sleepers were introduced on the Fort William overnight until 31 Class 37s were converted to 37/4s with the retrofitting of ETH. 25 of these were based in Scotland and allowed the West Highland, Far North and Kyle lines to move away from steam heat. The remaining 6 went to Cardiff Canton and initially appeared regularly on summer Saturday Cambrian Coast services.

    IIRC, the last service to be steam heated was a return Footex from Dundee to Glasgow.

  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,945
    ydoethur said:

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    .

    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
    Some people live to eat. Others eat to live.
    I'm just befuddled that for some reason PB believes that vegans and vegetarians are forced to eat dogshit tasting food!
    That doesn't sound very vegan, TBF.
    Alan Partridge claims to be almost vegan. 70% of his last Sunday roast was vegetables.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,286

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,127

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    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
    Some people live to eat. Others eat to live.
    I'm just befuddled that for some reason PB believes that vegans and vegetarians are forced to eat dogshit tasting food!
    I have been mastering my Jollof Rice, a tasty vegan treat!

    Not entirely authentic, as I have added aubergine, but quite addictive.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    ydoethur said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Why? Have we suddenly started talking about venison?
    Calm down deer.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,019

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
  • Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    All steam engines are cool, so arguments are pointless!

    The exception are Leaders. Only insane fools could possibly like Leaders...

    edit: and Oi! you said 'otherwise sensible people'. I really, really hope that I'm not included in that. 'Sensible' indeed....
    I recently read a book all about the Leader, with increasingly fascinated horror. I suppose it means something that one can't buy a model one to run on one's miniature railway, at least not till the new year, as a quick check shows.
    A fascinating unexplored evolution of the steam loco IMHO.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    I appreciate this is probably wishful thinking but I do wonder if it could go pear-shaped rapidly for Trump. If the GOP grandees begin to believe that Haley has more chance of beating Trump might they quietly get behind the move to have him struck from the ballots?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,059
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    All steam engines are cool, so arguments are pointless!

    The exception are Leaders. Only insane fools could possibly like Leaders...

    edit: and Oi! you said 'otherwise sensible people'. I really, really hope that I'm not included in that. 'Sensible' indeed....
    I recently read a book all about the Leader, with increasingly fascinated horror. I suppose it means something that one can't buy a model one to run on one's miniature railway, at least not till the new year, as a quick check shows.
    If the Leader had been successful, we would have lost many glorious years of M7s.
    M7s?
    LSWR (later SR) tank engines. Built from 1897 for London suburban services. The last were withdrawn in 1964, having been used on the Swanage branch.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,286
    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Good question. The chart is from this article which attributes the rise among teenage girls to social media, but it looks like boys are still far more likely to be victims.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,652
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, probably not but it's certainly possible there could be an upset.

    Fact remains though that unless *any* of the non-Trump candidates can (1) beat the rest of them off quickly, (2) consolidate the anti-Trump vote, and (3) swing at least a quarter of the Trump vote to them and/or bring in new voters to them, Trump wins at a canter.

    And how do any of them do that without going after Trump, and rejecting his framing of the election? They can't - yet they're not.

    If Hayley wins in New Hampshire (and it's a big if), then I think she will rapidly consolidate the non-Trump vote. She should certainly pick up the vast bulk of Christie's support, for example.

    The interesting question then is whether Trump will debate her. Because ducking out from debating the Four Dwarves is one thing, ducking out from someone who has just beat you in a primary is another.
    Doubt just calling her 'birdbrain' will work either.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,286
    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, probably not but it's certainly possible there could be an upset.

    Fact remains though that unless *any* of the non-Trump candidates can (1) beat the rest of them off quickly, (2) consolidate the anti-Trump vote, and (3) swing at least a quarter of the Trump vote to them and/or bring in new voters to them, Trump wins at a canter.

    And how do any of them do that without going after Trump, and rejecting his framing of the election? They can't - yet they're not.

    If Hayley wins in New Hampshire (and it's a big if), then I think she will rapidly consolidate the non-Trump vote.
    I won't consider Haley a serious contender until you break the habit of spelling her name with an extra y.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,019

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Good question. The chart is from this article which attributes the rise among teenage girls to social media, but it looks like boys are still far more likely to be victims.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
    Looks like the absolute rate for men are still much higher but closer amongst teenagers.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730

    rcs1000 said:

    On topic, probably not but it's certainly possible there could be an upset.

    Fact remains though that unless *any* of the non-Trump candidates can (1) beat the rest of them off quickly, (2) consolidate the anti-Trump vote, and (3) swing at least a quarter of the Trump vote to them and/or bring in new voters to them, Trump wins at a canter.

    And how do any of them do that without going after Trump, and rejecting his framing of the election? They can't - yet they're not.

    If Hayley wins in New Hampshire (and it's a big if), then I think she will rapidly consolidate the non-Trump vote.
    I won't consider Haley a serious contender until you break the habit of spelling her name with an extra y.
    Comet the hour, comet the Hayley.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,394
    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    It's a change in a rate, so I assume it's like saying "the inflation rate has increased by 50%" when what has happened is that the rate has changed from 2% to 3%. Recall what I keep saying about the three things you need: the absolute values, the relative values, and the threshold. What are the absolute values here?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,730
    kjh said:

    ydoethur said:

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    .

    Carnyx said:

    I thought I'd come to VeganLovers.com

    Not quite vegan. but the other day I realised I'd eaten vegetarian meals for four days with no ill-effects. Such are the consequences of living with a vegetarian.

    I did immediately go out and get myself a nice, greasy breakfast baguette, though...

    (Seriously though, vegetarian meals can be absolutely delicious.)
    Feeling mildly astounded that the last statement has to be made at all on PB, which has a rather more intelligent clientele, on average, than many internet discussion groups.

    But I recall one of us claiming - apparently seriously - that it was essential to eat substantial amounts of meat every day, perhaps even at every meal.
    Why would anybody eat food (vegan, vegetarian or full on carnivore) that wasn't delicious?
    Some people live to eat. Others eat to live.
    I'm just befuddled that for some reason PB believes that vegans and vegetarians are forced to eat dogshit tasting food!
    That doesn't sound very vegan, TBF.
    Alan Partridge claims to be almost vegan. 70% of his last Sunday roast was vegetables.
    Rishi's doing his bit too. 92% of his cabinet are vegetables.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,469

    Carnyx said:

    FPT - people say that divisions in politics are more complex than a simple left-right split. And they'd be right.

    However, this is nothing compared to the diversity of opinion when it comes to diesel locomotives. I give you:

    JJ: Likes Peaks and 37s. Not Deltics.
    Herdson: Likes Peaks and Deltics. Not 37s.
    Me: Likes Deltics and 37s. Not Peaks.

    Clearly out of the three I am the only one with a consistent set of principles, being firmly in the English Electric camp, and rejecting the blasphemous idolaters who are fans of anything Sulzer.

    I can’t believe that otherwise sensible people are arguing the merits of 37s, Peaks and Deltics when there is a steamer at the other end!
    Technically, didn't many diesels have a boiler for steam anyway? For the train heating system.
    Yes; some did, some did not. In the case of locos like the 37s, early ones were steam heat, later ones electric. Then in the 1980s, when almost all locos did not have electric heating, they converted some withdrawn locos into ETHELs (Electric Train Heating Ex Loco)

    https://www.derbysulzers.com/97250.html

    Generally, steam-heat versions of locos were the first to be withdrawn as electric heating became ever more useful with newer coaching stock being electrically heated.

    Steam-heating boilers in locos often proved exceptionally troublesome, including causing a fair few fires.
    The ETHELs were a stop gap after Mark 3 sleepers were introduced on the Fort William overnight until 31 Class 37s were converted to 37/4s with the retrofitting of ETH. 25 of these were based in Scotland and allowed the West Highland, Far North and Kyle lines to move away from steam heat. The remaining 6 went to Cardiff Canton and initially appeared regularly on summer Saturday Cambrian Coast services.

    IIRC, the last service to be steam heated was a return Footex from Dundee to Glasgow.

    I was lucky enough to be able to access Derby works regularly - my dad's company did a fair bit of work for the loco and carriage works (and there was a surprising rivalry between them...), and they would let me go in with him. I saw loads of stuff of interest - and it's a shame I did not have a camera at the time. I also did not appreciate some of it at the time, either. There were one or two ETHELs there at various times, as I recall. But of more interest were the blue-and-red Technical Centre locos.

    My dad has loads of stories that may explain why British industry went down the pan, if the railway works were anything to go by...

    BTW, there use to be a 'long bridge' across the carriage works that was fun to walk down.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,652

    Looking very good for Haley. Time for a new generation. Trump won't be the GOP candidate.

    It might have just comet oo early for her.
    No problem. She can try again in 76 years.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,394
    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That would appear to show the overall suicide rate dropping. Is that due to trans?
    The link below gives the article. Although I appreciate PB thinks trans causes all the ills of the world, the articles seems to (it's paywalled) think it's smartphones. This fits in with my headcanon that the confluence of cheaper phones, larger screens (porn-driven), social media and Twitter has created an unpleasant and paranoid view of the world, with deleritous results.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/03/suicide-rates-for-girls-are-rising-are-smartphones-to-blame
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,286
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
  • boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    Oh please. If trans women are making women kill themselves how come trans men aren't making men kill themselves? This is fucking ludicrous. Still, nice to get a lecture on women's rights from a party that thinks teenage girls should be forced to carry their rapist's child to term.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,394

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    Haley hates trans people.

    Does she really “hate” trans people or does she have differing views on gender from you and other people?
    Nikki Haley suggests transgender kids are causing suicidal ideation in teenage girls

    Hateful woman.
    She didn't actually say that. She said that "women being told their voices don’t matter" is a factor.

    What do you think is driving this?

    image
    That’s a fascinating chart but I presume that it shows change rather than absolute rates. Far more young men than women used to commit suicide. Are women now catching up?
    Also, most of the rise in teenage female suicide (which is a very small proportion of total suicides) happens in the period to 2017. Which predates most of the rise in trans.
    Maybe the causation is the other way around.
    Dead people don't change sex. Perhaps you misphrased?
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