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  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    Sunak's Saw: 'No matter how badly a message can be presented Rishi Sunak will find a way to make it worse'.
    I was musing the other day about words matched with Prime Ministers.

    Fear. Thatcher.

    Respect. Brown.

    Horror. Truss.

    Pity. Sunak

    As a politician, to be pitied is worse than any other emotion...
    First time you have missed Boris! Was it the one word that might get you a ban?
    I was watching a Kevin Bridges show the other night. He does a whole riff on the word which would get me banned.

    Then he suggests using the word "fanny" instead

    Or, as he puts it, "diet ****"
    Trying the converse, "Full sugar fanny" perhaps moves the context off line a bit further than Swifty's bowling.
  • Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    isam said:

    Does this picture make it look as if Taylor Swift is about to unleash a lethal left-arm wrist-spinner? Or do I just have a one-track mind?

    https://x.com/simonrbriggs/status/1736669138792137045?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Really good left arm wrist spinners are so rare that you wonder if there is some way she could switch to a more useful career and qualify for England. It would be fun to see Lords full of Swifties.
    "These two look very comfortable against the seamers. One is loath to second guess Ben Stokes but surely it's worth giving Swift a couple of overs before tea."
    The prospect of a slow bowler called Swift is undoubtedly appealing.
    Taylor Swift's Holding the batsman's Willey?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    edited December 2023
    Newsweek is saying Russia is being pounded like a dockside hooker. Is there any verification?

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-artillery-systems-casualty-count-tanks-avdiivka-ukraine-1853110
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    On the face of it, this is right and I agree that it feels a bit odd - but I guess the 'reputation of the Commons' is a fairly nebulous and flexible concept. For example, if it was discovered she'd been taking backhanders to set up an APPG on something obscure, we might not know about it (yet), but it'd fall under that blanket term. Equally, she could have been using her office or position to exert undue/improper influence elsewhere; we might not have heard about it, but it doesn't mean it's not worthy of rebuke or sanction. Who knows?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Pro_Rata said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    Sunak's Saw: 'No matter how badly a message can be presented Rishi Sunak will find a way to make it worse'.
    I was musing the other day about words matched with Prime Ministers.

    Fear. Thatcher.

    Respect. Brown.

    Horror. Truss.

    Pity. Sunak

    As a politician, to be pitied is worse than any other emotion...
    First time you have missed Boris! Was it the one word that might get you a ban?
    I was watching a Kevin Bridges show the other night. He does a whole riff on the word which would get me banned.

    Then he suggests using the word "fanny" instead

    Or, as he puts it, "diet ****"
    Trying the converse, "Full sugar fanny" perhaps moves the context off line a bit further than Swifty's bowling.
    'Front bottom' always made me giggle for some reason.
  • Labour leads by 18% in our final poll of 2023, one point higher than at end of 2022.

    Westminster VI (17 Dec):

    Labour 42% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (-2)
    Reform UK 10% (-1)
    Green 6% (+1)
    SNP 4% (+2)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 10 Dec

    /

    Which company please?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067

    Scott_xP said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    Sunak's Saw: 'No matter how badly a message can be presented Rishi Sunak will find a way to make it worse'.
    I was musing the other day about words matched with Prime Ministers.

    Fear. Thatcher.

    Respect. Brown.

    Horror. Truss.

    Pity. Sunak

    As a politician, to be pitied is worse than any other emotion...
    First time you have missed Boris! Was it the one word that might get you a ban?
    Is his ceaseless rodomontade to remain unspoken ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,372
    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    The legendary Williams, G Stewart producer of some great ItV sitcoms of the seventies

    I do hope he was lovely in person
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited December 2023

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    You just don't understand VCM's intellectual, elitist left- wing humour.

    N.B. Neither do I!
    It crossed my mind I might not be clever enough to understand them!

    I quite like the way she presents the quiz, but those monologues leave me slack jawed, I just don’t get how they’re funny. Maybe the lack of a laugh track accentuates it, as someone else said

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    Serious question. I attended a U3a discussion session today, and someone raised the issue of the Post Office scandal.
    Someone remarked that around the turn of the century quite a few sub Post Offices were run by large companies, such as WH Smith. Did they have any problems with Horizon and if so how did the “investigators” deal with it?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    You just don't understand VCM's intellectual, elitist left- wing humour.

    N.B. Neither do I!
    It crossed my mind I might not be clever enough to understand them!

    I quite like the way she presents the quiz, but those monologues leave me slack jawed, I just don’t get how they’re funny. Maybe the lack of a laugh track accentuates it, as someone else said

    We'll just have to ask Leon.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    Thanks to all who responded with the explanations on the emus.

    Perhaps this will clarify matters: I have a number of collections of jokes, including three of political jokes. (If you can find it, the oldest, by Lukes and Galnoor, is definitely worth buying for anyone interested in politics, though I should warn you that not all of the jokes in that collection would pass modern political correctness tests.
    https://www.amazon.com/No-Laughing-Matter-Collection-Political/dp/0710099657

    And, at 80, I try to behave myself so I rarely reply with punch lines to the unintentional straight lines I see here, almost every day.

    (One of my long-time favorite political jokes:

    We all know the North Korean dictator, Kim Jong Un.

    But you may have missed this news about him: A few months ago, he was showing off a smart phone.

    And we know it's a smart phone because it left North Korea the next day.

    Stolen from Jimmy Fallon years ago.)
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Let me get this right, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is currently investigating eight MPs:

    Rt Hon. Colonel Bob Stewart (Con*)
    Mr Andrew Bridgen (Con*)
    Ms Virginia Crosbie (Con)
    Rt Hon. Dame Eleanor Laing (Con)
    Mr Marco Longhi (Con)
    Mr David Duguid (Con)
    Sir Bernard Jenkin (Con)
    Ms Miriam Cates (Con)

    Is there a pattern I wonder?

    (*Elected as Con, now disowned by them - too late.)

    https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/allegations-currently-under-investigation-by-the-commissioner/
    Bernard Jenkin and Eleanor Laing feel like odd-ones-out on that list though. I wouldn't have ranked them alongside full-bore moonhowlers like Cates and Bridgen.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    edited December 2023

    Vaguely on topic, Blackman is right.

    Constitutional theory is about 100 years behind the reality and we could really do with a modern-day Bagehot to point out that actually, yes, the people are sovereign.

    1. The principle that parliament should be elected by and is accountable to the (adult) population of the country is unchallenged, bar fringe cases.

    2. Parliament may exercise sovereignty on behalf of the people but this is not the same as actually being sovereign in its own right. Legal sovereignty is not the same as the enduring political reality that underpins constitutional practice.

    3. The principle that first-order political questions should be settled by the people themselves through referendums - in other words, that parliament doesn't have the authority or legitimacy to decide those questions for itself - is now a constitutional convention. (This is not the same as saying that all referendums involve first-order political questions).

    4. The nature of the Parliament Act, Salisbury Convention and 'mandates' in general point to the people being the fundamental source of sovereignty.

    I take your point, but it seems to me that you are arguing in effect that sovereignty of 'people' or of 'parliament' amount to the same thing. The problem with the 'people' idea is that it is not recognisably cashable in terms of governance except through what parliament does. 'People' don't have legislating power (even through referendums). Perhaps 'the sovereignty of parliament is the means by which that of the people is effected' might be the best we can do.

    'Sovereignty of people' is an expression which smacks slightly of the sub-optimal elements of the French revolution, for all people are equal but when the shouting starts some tend to be more equal than others; and it also invites the cynical question: Who, whom?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    The A&E '% seen within 4 hours' is telling too.

    image

    Not quite so dramatic maybe but pretty clear.
    As always with graphs/charts; look at what they're saying. In this case, why does one graph start well after the other? What happened in the earlier years?

    Not saying this doesn't show a problem; just that it's the sort of thing that always pops into my mind when I see any chart.
    Good question.

    I'm struggling in a quick search to find pre-2010 data for A&E waiting times, so I wonder where that FT graph got its data from. Was that target measured before 2003?

    There's no reason why the two graphs should have the same x-axis limits of course, they work independently.

    If, as I hope, Labour do use any of these they really need to make sure they're watertight though
    Good afternoon

    I am not posting much due to my on going health issues but I would just say that as poor as England's NHS stats are, Wales are worse and this is the responsibility of Wales Labour government

    9 weeks ago today at this time I was sent directly into A & E by my GP as a medical emergency. I was triaged at 5.30pm, had blood at 6.30pm and then my wife and I waited with 114 other patients overnight, being asked back at 3.00am for more bloods as they had made an error with those at 6.30pm

    It was 7.00am, (over 13 hours later) I first saw the A & E doctor who immediately admitted me to hospital and arranged an emergency ultrasound which confirmed a massive left thigh DVT and other issues

    I continue under the care of the hospital and three consultants, but the point I would make is that it not just an English issues, but also a Welsh and as I understand it from our family, a Scottish one which covers the political divide of Conservative, Labour and SNP

    I do not know the answer and certainly Streeting will have his work cut out to come a anywhere near a resolution for England, and as for Wales I see little prospect of improvement in the short term
    Really sorry to hear about your health issues Big_G and your terrible experience at A&E.

    You may be right about Welsh Labour but I can't escape the feeling that this is all determined in Westminster. I suspect the powers of the Welsh and Scottish governments are severely constrained by what Westminster does.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    Newsweek is saying Russia is being pounded like a dockside hooker. Is there any verification?

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-artillery-systems-casualty-count-tanks-avdiivka-ukraine-1853110

    Their anti-aircraft missiles have been having a few identification problems today as well.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12876721/Russian-warplane-shot-Putin-surface-air-missiles.html

    A few more of those for Christmas, please Mr Putin.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248
    Carnyx said:

    Not sure that we were all up to our groins in the grift is a great defence. Stiil, good giruy Rishi energy.

    https://x.com/MichelleMone/status/1736754263055815050?s=20

    Graun feed reports another, erm, original bit of shtick:

    'In an earlier message on X, Michelle Mone also suggested that, if anyone was to blame for the government overspending on PPE, it was Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister during Covid and now levelling up secretary, and Sir Chris Wormald, permanent secretary at the Department of Health.

    "Michael Gove and Sir Chris Wormald approved the purchase of 5 years supply of PPE when the remit was to build up only 4 months. They oversaw huge waste in PPE contracts. They have both had questions to answer for a very long time."'

    Is that 4 months as in normal pre-covid or 4 months of covid she means??

    @Foxy would be the one to ask, but there were stories at the time that PPE was being used at 20-30 times the normal rate.

    I still think that we need to investigate non-disposable PPE. Cleaning chemicals are much easier to stockpile than thin, bio-degradable plastic.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    Labour leads by 18% in our final poll of 2023, one point higher than at end of 2022.

    Westminster VI (17 Dec):

    Labour 42% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (-2)
    Reform UK 10% (-1)
    Green 6% (+1)
    SNP 4% (+2)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 10 Dec

    /

    Which company please?
    Looks like R&W judging by the movements.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    One of the most consequential legacies of the Biden presidency will be the return of significant chip manufacturing capacity to the US.

    This is just one such example.

    Apple-TSMC-Amkor Pact Bolsters U.S. Chip Supply Chain
    https://www.eetimes.com/apple-tsmc-amkor-pact-bolsters-u-s-chip-supply-chain/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248
    Andy_JS said:

    It looks like the ANC may finally lose its majority at the next election. Most polls are putting them at around 45%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls

    As with the PRI in Mexico, the last gasp will be the worst…
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Labour leads by 18% in our final poll of 2023, one point higher than at end of 2022.

    Westminster VI (17 Dec):

    Labour 42% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (-2)
    Reform UK 10% (-1)
    Green 6% (+1)
    SNP 4% (+2)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 10 Dec

    /

    Which company please?
    Redfield & Wilton.

    Sir Keir’s ratings are his worst since May (+4) and the gap in lead as best PM lowest since August, (still +7 though)

    Sunak is -19, down 4 so no need for him to feel encouraged
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494

    Labour leads by 18% in our final poll of 2023, one point higher than at end of 2022.

    Westminster VI (17 Dec):

    Labour 42% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (-2)
    Reform UK 10% (-1)
    Green 6% (+1)
    SNP 4% (+2)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 10 Dec

    /

    Which company please?
    RW at a guess.
  • How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Let me get this right, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is currently investigating eight MPs:

    Rt Hon. Colonel Bob Stewart (Con*)
    Mr Andrew Bridgen (Con*)
    Ms Virginia Crosbie (Con)
    Rt Hon. Dame Eleanor Laing (Con)
    Mr Marco Longhi (Con)
    Mr David Duguid (Con)
    Sir Bernard Jenkin (Con)
    Ms Miriam Cates (Con)

    Is there a pattern I wonder?

    (*Elected as Con, now disowned by them - too late.)

    https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/allegations-currently-under-investigation-by-the-commissioner/
    Not entirely.

    Bear in mind that two Labour MPs elected in 2019 resigned or were recalled this parliament too following either a suspension or custodial sentence being imposed, and another could very easily have been. Also one SNP MP.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,130

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
  • Labour leads by 18% in our final poll of 2023, one point higher than at end of 2022.

    Westminster VI (17 Dec):

    Labour 42% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (-2)
    Reform UK 10% (-1)
    Green 6% (+1)
    SNP 4% (+2)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 10 Dec

    /

    Which company please?
    RW at a guess.
    Love you and so glad you're back posting
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Let me get this right, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is currently investigating eight MPs:

    Rt Hon. Colonel Bob Stewart (Con*)
    Mr Andrew Bridgen (Con*)
    Ms Virginia Crosbie (Con)
    Rt Hon. Dame Eleanor Laing (Con)
    Mr Marco Longhi (Con)
    Mr David Duguid (Con)
    Sir Bernard Jenkin (Con)
    Ms Miriam Cates (Con)

    Is there a pattern I wonder?

    (*Elected as Con, now disowned by them - too late.)

    https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/allegations-currently-under-investigation-by-the-commissioner/
    Not entirely.

    Bear in mind that two Labour MPs elected in 2019 resigned or were recalled this parliament too following either a suspension or custodial sentence being imposed, and another could very easily have been. Also one SNP MP.
    Of course, just looking at the current 'under investigation' list.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    edited December 2023

    For ydoethur (and others): Two brothers went out West and established a cattle ranch. After some years, their father came out to visit to see their success.

    He learned that they had not yet named their ranch, thought a bit, and came up with this suggestion: Focus.

    Why Focus? Because that's where the sons raise meat.

    The original spelling mistake just magnified it.
  • algarkirk said:

    Vaguely on topic, Blackman is right.

    Constitutional theory is about 100 years behind the reality and we could really do with a modern-day Bagehot to point out that actually, yes, the people are sovereign.

    1. The principle that parliament should be elected by and is accountable to the (adult) population of the country is unchallenged, bar fringe cases.

    2. Parliament may exercise sovereignty on behalf of the people but this is not the same as actually being sovereign in its own right. Legal sovereignty is not the same as the enduring political reality that underpins constitutional practice.

    3. The principle that first-order political questions should be settled by the people themselves through referendums - in other words, that parliament doesn't have the authority or legitimacy to decide those questions for itself - is now a constitutional convention. (This is not the same as saying that all referendums involve first-order political questions).

    4. The nature of the Parliament Act, Salisbury Convention and 'mandates' in general point to the people being the fundamental source of sovereignty.

    I take your point, but it seems to me that you are arguing in effect that sovereignty of 'people' or of 'parliament' amount to the same thing. The problem with the 'people' idea is that it is not recognisably cashable in terms of governance except through what parliament does. 'People' don't have legislating power (even through referendums). Perhaps 'the sovereignty of parliament is the means by which that of the people is effected' might be the best we can do.

    'Sovereignty of people' is an expression which smacks slightly of the sub-optimal elements of the French revolution, for all people are equal but when the shouting starts some tend to be more equal than others; and it also invites the cynical question: Who, whom?
    Parliament also has the power to change the franchise, and, as proven through history, how it chooses to constitute itself.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,347

    Newsweek is saying Russia is being pounded like a dockside hooker. Is there any verification?

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-artillery-systems-casualty-count-tanks-avdiivka-ukraine-1853110

    Russian casualties have hit 1,000 a day, quite frequently in recent weeks.
  • DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    The A&E '% seen within 4 hours' is telling too.

    image

    Not quite so dramatic maybe but pretty clear.
    As always with graphs/charts; look at what they're saying. In this case, why does one graph start well after the other? What happened in the earlier years?

    Not saying this doesn't show a problem; just that it's the sort of thing that always pops into my mind when I see any chart.
    Good question.

    I'm struggling in a quick search to find pre-2010 data for A&E waiting times, so I wonder where that FT graph got its data from. Was that target measured before 2003?

    There's no reason why the two graphs should have the same x-axis limits of course, they work independently.

    If, as I hope, Labour do use any of these they really need to make sure they're watertight though
    Good afternoon

    I am not posting much due to my on going health issues but I would just say that as poor as England's NHS stats are, Wales are worse and this is the responsibility of Wales Labour government

    9 weeks ago today at this time I was sent directly into A & E by my GP as a medical emergency. I was triaged at 5.30pm, had blood at 6.30pm and then my wife and I waited with 114 other patients overnight, being asked back at 3.00am for more bloods as they had made an error with those at 6.30pm

    It was 7.00am, (over 13 hours later) I first saw the A & E doctor who immediately admitted me to hospital and arranged an emergency ultrasound which confirmed a massive left thigh DVT and other issues

    I continue under the care of the hospital and three consultants, but the point I would make is that it not just an English issues, but also a Welsh and as I understand it from our family, a Scottish one which covers the political divide of Conservative, Labour and SNP

    I do not know the answer and certainly Streeting will have his work cut out to come a anywhere near a resolution for England, and as for Wales I see little prospect of improvement in the short term
    Really sorry to hear about your health issues Big_G and your terrible experience at A&E.

    You may be right about Welsh Labour but I can't escape the feeling that this is all determined in Westminster. I suspect the powers of the Welsh and Scottish governments are severely constrained by what Westminster does.
    Thank you and I certainly am not as active as I was and just wait for the results of my various tests, and possibly more in the new year

    It will be interesting as we move to a Welsh labour government and an English one just how this plays out in Wales

    Drakeford has resigned at just the point when his popularity and labour's show falls in the polls, not least from the terrible implementation of the 20mph scheme which is widely criticised and with a Labour government in Westminster and Cardiff the conservatives cannot be blamed as Wales NHS will almost certainly continue to fail
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424

    Andy_JS said:

    It looks like the ANC may finally lose its majority at the next election. Most polls are putting them at around 45%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls

    As with the PRI in Mexico, the last gasp will be the worst…

    Andy_JS said:

    It looks like the ANC may finally lose its majority at the next election. Most polls are putting them at around 45%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls

    As with the PRI in Mexico, the last gasp will be the worst…
    Took a long time to get shot of the PRI, though.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,130
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    The legendary Williams, G Stewart producer of some great ItV sitcoms of the seventies

    I do hope he was lovely in person
    Yes he was great. Had that detached professional courtesy with a hint of warmth that I always respond well to. Nobody wants chilliness but I personally dislike in your face jocularity even more. He was right in the sweet spot. It wasn't his fault I failed to do myself justice.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Labour's last 'decade of national renewal' ended with a massive financial crash...

    Balancing the books matter. which is why I want politicians to be honest and say: "If you want good services, taxes need to go up."
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    edited December 2023

    Labour leads by 18% in our final poll of 2023, one point higher than at end of 2022.

    Westminster VI (17 Dec):

    Labour 42% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (-2)
    Reform UK 10% (-1)
    Green 6% (+1)
    SNP 4% (+2)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 10 Dec

    /

    Which company please?
    RW at a guess.
    Love you and so glad you're back posting
    I have heard the one about Starmer defending a dog before.

    That was the magicians dog wasn’t it?

    The Labracadabrador!

    Meanwhile, as good as their word, Rishi’s government have taken the strongest action, and banned a whole breed of dog.

    Apart from an odd few exceptions.

    https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-xl-bully-dogs-granted-exemption-from-upcoming-ban-13032721

    But Rishi’s government are being sensible, fair and realistic here aren’t they?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    You just don't understand VCM's intellectual, elitist left- wing humour.

    N.B. Neither do I!
    It crossed my mind I might not be clever enough to understand them!

    I quite like the way she presents the quiz, but those monologues leave me slack jawed, I just don’t get how they’re funny. Maybe the lack of a laugh track accentuates it, as someone else said

    They are bizarre. I think the 'point' – if indeed there is a point - is that they are outlandish, unfunny and inane. Coren writes them herself I suspect and they have become part of the show's trademark. For better or worse (worse in my view).
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Sean_F said:

    Newsweek is saying Russia is being pounded like a dockside hooker. Is there any verification?

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-artillery-systems-casualty-count-tanks-avdiivka-ukraine-1853110

    Russian casualties have hit 1,000 a day, quite frequently in recent weeks.
    I feel like the Putin-as-strategic-mastermind meme has been reappearing of late, but while he is certainly a formidable character the SMO remains a massive strategic error and a human catastrophe. He has already likely spent hundreds of thousands of Russian lives in the meatgrinder; the conflict may claim over a million deaths before it is over. And for what? A relatively small strip of land*, swathes of which will be uninhabitable for years.

    He vastly underestimated the level of opposition he would face. Now thousands die daily to save face. He himself may not live to see the reckoning, but it will come.



    *My belief is that Donbas and Crimea will be taken in the end, and become a part of Russia, as the price of peace.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...

    Labour leads by 18% in our final poll of 2023, one point higher than at end of 2022.

    Westminster VI (17 Dec):

    Labour 42% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (-2)
    Reform UK 10% (-1)
    Green 6% (+1)
    SNP 4% (+2)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 10 Dec

    /

    Which company please?
    RW at a guess.
    Love you and so glad you're back posting
    I have heard the one about Starmer defending a dog before.

    That was the magicians dog wasn’t it?

    The Labracadabrador!

    Meanwhile, as good as their word, Rishi’s government have taken the strongest action, and banned a whole breed of dog.

    Apart from an odd few exceptions.

    https://news.sky.com/story/thousands-of-xl-bully-dogs-granted-exemption-from-upcoming-ban-13032721

    But Rishi’s government are being sensible, fair and realistic here aren’t they?
    Banning baby- eating dogs is good policy, then exempting baby-eating dogs from the ban, not so much.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,786
    kjh said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I love her monologues, particularly the Michael Portillo ones. She is admittedly completely bonkers.
    Proven by her decision to have a child in her fifties. Where does she find the energy?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Labour's last 'decade of national renewal' ended with a massive financial crash...

    Balancing the books matter. which is why I want politicians to be honest and say: "If you want good services, taxes need to go up."
    Brown bringing down Lehman Brothers, Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac defined his term in office. Fortunately 15 years on we are, as a nation, in much better shape- NOT!

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    Ghedebrav said:

    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Let me get this right, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is currently investigating eight MPs:

    Rt Hon. Colonel Bob Stewart (Con*)
    Mr Andrew Bridgen (Con*)
    Ms Virginia Crosbie (Con)
    Rt Hon. Dame Eleanor Laing (Con)
    Mr Marco Longhi (Con)
    Mr David Duguid (Con)
    Sir Bernard Jenkin (Con)
    Ms Miriam Cates (Con)

    Is there a pattern I wonder?

    (*Elected as Con, now disowned by them - too late.)

    https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/allegations-currently-under-investigation-by-the-commissioner/
    Bernard Jenkin and Eleanor Laing feel like odd-ones-out on that list though. I wouldn't have ranked them alongside full-bore moonhowlers like Cates and Bridgen.
    Maybe it's just me, but I'm not entirely comfortable with Eleanor Laing continuing as Deputy Speaker (and Chair of Ways and Means) until the investigation into her (for actions causing significant damage to the reputation of the House etc.) is completed. Maybe she should step down temporarily.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,786

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    You just don't understand VCM's intellectual, elitist left- wing humour.

    N.B. Neither do I!
    It crossed my mind I might not be clever enough to understand them!

    I quite like the way she presents the quiz, but those monologues leave me slack jawed, I just don’t get how they’re funny. Maybe the lack of a laugh track accentuates it, as someone else said

    They are bizarre. I think the 'point' – if indeed there is a point - is that they are outlandish, unfunny and inane. Coren writes them herself I suspect and they have become part of the show's trademark. For better or worse (worse in my view).
    It just depends on your sense of humour. I quite like the surreal. Not dissimilar from early Vic Reeves.
  • Ghedebrav said:

    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Let me get this right, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is currently investigating eight MPs:

    Rt Hon. Colonel Bob Stewart (Con*)
    Mr Andrew Bridgen (Con*)
    Ms Virginia Crosbie (Con)
    Rt Hon. Dame Eleanor Laing (Con)
    Mr Marco Longhi (Con)
    Mr David Duguid (Con)
    Sir Bernard Jenkin (Con)
    Ms Miriam Cates (Con)

    Is there a pattern I wonder?

    (*Elected as Con, now disowned by them - too late.)

    https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/allegations-currently-under-investigation-by-the-commissioner/
    Bernard Jenkin and Eleanor Laing feel like odd-ones-out on that list though. I wouldn't have ranked them alongside full-bore moonhowlers like Cates and Bridgen.
    Maybe it's just me, but I'm not entirely comfortable with Eleanor Laing continuing as Deputy Speaker (and Chair of Ways and Means) until the investigation into her (for actions causing significant damage to the reputation of the House etc.) is completed. Maybe she should step down temporarily.
    I understand your viewpoint but it is also tempered by the premise of innocent until proven guilty.

    There's potential for anarchy if people start putting spurious claims.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    You just don't understand VCM's intellectual, elitist left- wing humour.

    N.B. Neither do I!
    I find VCM's humour one of the funniest things on TV.
    I think VCN just gave you a "like".
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,130

    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Labour's last 'decade of national renewal' ended with a massive financial crash...

    Balancing the books matter. which is why I want politicians to be honest and say: "If you want good services, taxes need to go up."
    Yes. It would be refreshing. There'll be none of that at GE24 though. People are not quite ready for it yet.
  • kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Lol. More like a decade of decline through splurging money at an unreformed public sector until they leave a note to the next Tory administration saying "sorry there is no money left".

    The Tories might be terrible, but Labour have been put on this earth to remind us that putting amateurs in charge (the Tories tried it with Johnson) never makes anything work better.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375

    Ghedebrav said:

    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Let me get this right, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is currently investigating eight MPs:

    Rt Hon. Colonel Bob Stewart (Con*)
    Mr Andrew Bridgen (Con*)
    Ms Virginia Crosbie (Con)
    Rt Hon. Dame Eleanor Laing (Con)
    Mr Marco Longhi (Con)
    Mr David Duguid (Con)
    Sir Bernard Jenkin (Con)
    Ms Miriam Cates (Con)

    Is there a pattern I wonder?

    (*Elected as Con, now disowned by them - too late.)

    https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/allegations-currently-under-investigation-by-the-commissioner/
    Bernard Jenkin and Eleanor Laing feel like odd-ones-out on that list though. I wouldn't have ranked them alongside full-bore moonhowlers like Cates and Bridgen.
    Maybe it's just me, but I'm not entirely comfortable with Eleanor Laing continuing as Deputy Speaker (and Chair of Ways and Means) until the investigation into her (for actions causing significant damage to the reputation of the House etc.) is completed. Maybe she should step down temporarily.
    I understand your viewpoint but it is also tempered by the premise of innocent until proven guilty.

    There's potential for anarchy if people start putting spurious claims.
    Fair point. But it's not uncommon to have to step aside temporarily if allegations are made against you, even if they turn out to be entirely spurious. Teachers, for example. It's just that the Deputy Speaker is a key figure in upholding the good reputation of the House - she would be stepping aside without prejudice.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Victoria Coren is great.
    Giles Coren is awful.

    I’d use the Drake meme to illustrate this, but can’t be bothered.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,786

    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    You just don't understand VCM's intellectual, elitist left- wing humour.

    N.B. Neither do I!
    I find VCM's humour one of the funniest things on TV.
    I think VCN just gave you a "like".
    :smile: if she's reading - VCM, I think you're quite splendid.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Labour's last 'decade of national renewal' ended with a massive financial crash...

    Balancing the books matter. which is why I want politicians to be honest and say: "If you want good services, taxes need to go up."
    Yes. It would be refreshing. There'll be none of that at GE24 though. People are not quite ready for it yet.
    Then they'll be lying. I don't want to vote for liars.

    There's no 'easy' answer to fixing public services aside from increasing the tax-take from the public. Fudges are lies.
  • I am delighted that none of you have disagreed with my observation in the header that David Cameron is awesome.
  • DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    The A&E '% seen within 4 hours' is telling too.

    image

    Not quite so dramatic maybe but pretty clear.
    As always with graphs/charts; look at what they're saying. In this case, why does one graph start well after the other? What happened in the earlier years?

    Not saying this doesn't show a problem; just that it's the sort of thing that always pops into my mind when I see any chart.
    Good question.

    I'm struggling in a quick search to find pre-2010 data for A&E waiting times, so I wonder where that FT graph got its data from. Was that target measured before 2003?

    There's no reason why the two graphs should have the same x-axis limits of course, they work independently.

    If, as I hope, Labour do use any of these they really need to make sure they're watertight though
    Good afternoon

    I am not posting much due to my on going health issues but I would just say that as poor as England's NHS stats are, Wales are worse and this is the responsibility of Wales Labour government

    9 weeks ago today at this time I was sent directly into A & E by my GP as a medical emergency. I was triaged at 5.30pm, had blood at 6.30pm and then my wife and I waited with 114 other patients overnight, being asked back at 3.00am for more bloods as they had made an error with those at 6.30pm

    It was 7.00am, (over 13 hours later) I first saw the A & E doctor who immediately admitted me to hospital and arranged an emergency ultrasound which confirmed a massive left thigh DVT and other issues

    I continue under the care of the hospital and three consultants, but the point I would make is that it not just an English issues, but also a Welsh and as I understand it from our family, a Scottish one which covers the political divide of Conservative, Labour and SNP

    I do not know the answer and certainly Streeting will have his work cut out to come a anywhere near a resolution for England, and as for Wales I see little prospect of improvement in the short term
    Really sorry to hear about your health issues Big_G and your terrible experience at A&E.

    You may be right about Welsh Labour but I can't escape the feeling that this is all determined in Westminster. I suspect the powers of the Welsh and Scottish governments are severely constrained by what Westminster does.
    Thank you and I certainly am not as active as I was and just wait for the results of my various tests, and possibly more in the new year

    It will be interesting as we move to a Welsh labour government and an English one just how this plays out in Wales

    Drakeford has resigned at just the point when his popularity and labour's show falls in the polls, not least from the terrible implementation of the 20mph scheme which is widely criticised and with a Labour government in Westminster and Cardiff the conservatives cannot be blamed as Wales NHS will almost certainly continue to fail
    Of course the Tories can be blames - and are. The devolved administrations manage their own budgets - but only within the boundaries of the cash the are given and can generate. A shortage of cash is the issue, which is how we see a variety of parties in a variety of bodies all having a lack of cash.

    "Don't blame the government, blame your council" doesn't work either.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...

    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Lol. More like a decade of decline through splurging money at an unreformed public sector until they leave a note to the next Tory administration saying "sorry there is no money left".

    The Tories might be terrible, but Labour have been put on this earth to remind us that putting amateurs in charge (the Tories tried it with Johnson) never makes anything work better.
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/commons-confidential/2023/07/liam-byrne-labour-apology-no-money-note

    Liam Byrne's note was customary good humour between exchanging Ministers (in this case expected to be Philip Hammond) weaponised by LD David Laws. Never trust the LDs!

    Should the Government change, what kind of a note could the Chief Secretary to the Treasury leave? "There is no money left and a humongous dept which can only be paid down after decades of rampant inflation".
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    Isn't it great when two very rich people get into a public squabble about which of them is the most corrupt?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572

    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Labour's last 'decade of national renewal' ended with a massive financial crash...

    Balancing the books matter. which is why I want politicians to be honest and say: "If you want good services, taxes need to go up."
    Brown bringing down Lehman Brothers, Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac defined his term in office. Fortunately 15 years on we are, as a nation, in much better shape- NOT!
    Blair and Brown were blessed with 13 years of stability, having inherited good public finances. In that time, they had three major events: foot and mouth, 9/11, and the financial crash.

    Their answer to foot-and-mouth was to throw money at the problem. Literally. Shovel money at it until it went away.

    Their 9/11 response was good in terms of Afghanistan (initially); hideous in terms of Iraq. That continues to harm us up to this day.

    They did not cause the financial crash; but Brown did put us into a position where we were utterly unprepared for it. Shame on him.

    In comparison, the Conservatives/coalition inherited a terrible fiscal situation, and faced three major issues:

    Brexit (their own doing)

    Covid (orders of magnitude greater than anything Blair/Brown faced)

    Ukraine (directly affecting cost-of-living); again, greater than anything Blair/Brown faced.

    Brexit was a self-own by the Conservatives (although for explainable reasons). But Blair/Brown squandered some good years, whilst the Conservatives have had to fight against an ebbing tide.
  • This bodes ill for the country.

    Just one of the candidates selected to fight Labour’s most winnable 100 constituencies works for a company listed on the London Stock Exchange.

    Analysis of Labour’s prospective parliamentary candidates by Apella Advisors, a strategic communications and public affairs consultancy, has laid bare the lack of business experience among those most likely to be elected as new MPs.

    Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, and Rachel Reeves, shadow chancellor, have embarked on an extensive charm offensive to win over British business leaders and international investors in the past 18 months.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/business-charm-offensive-masks-labours-lack-of-experience-r9fcccf0q
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572

    ...

    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Lol. More like a decade of decline through splurging money at an unreformed public sector until they leave a note to the next Tory administration saying "sorry there is no money left".

    The Tories might be terrible, but Labour have been put on this earth to remind us that putting amateurs in charge (the Tories tried it with Johnson) never makes anything work better.
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/commons-confidential/2023/07/liam-byrne-labour-apology-no-money-note

    Liam Byrne's note was customary good humour between exchanging Ministers (in this case expected to be Philip Hammond) weaponised by LD David Laws. Never trust the LDs!
    (snip)
    It may have been humorous; but all the best humour carries more than a hint of truth. Labour wrecked the public finances during 'good' times.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    What did Dave expect, making a Labour voting lingerie entrepreneur a Tory peer?
  • Isn't it great when two very rich people get into a public squabble about which of them is the most corrupt?
    Much more fun when sex is involved.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    edited December 2023

    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Labour's last 'decade of national renewal' ended with a massive financial crash...

    Balancing the books matter. which is why I want politicians to be honest and say: "If you want good services, taxes need to go up."
    Brown bringing down Lehman Brothers, Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac defined his term in office. Fortunately 15 years on we are, as a nation, in much better shape- NOT!
    Blair and Brown were blessed with 13 years of stability, having inherited good public finances. In that time, they had three major events: foot and mouth, 9/11, and the financial crash.

    Their answer to foot-and-mouth was to throw money at the problem. Literally. Shovel money at it until it went away.

    Their 9/11 response was good in terms of Afghanistan (initially); hideous in terms of Iraq. That continues to harm us up to this day.

    They did not cause the financial crash; but Brown did put us into a position where we were utterly unprepared for it. Shame on him.

    In comparison, the Conservatives/coalition inherited a terrible fiscal situation, and faced three major issues:

    Brexit (their own doing)

    Covid (orders of magnitude greater than anything Blair/Brown faced)

    Ukraine (directly affecting cost-of-living); again, greater than anything Blair/Brown faced.

    Brexit was a self-own by the Conservatives (although for explainable reasons). But Blair/Brown squandered some good years, whilst the Conservatives have had to fight against an ebbing tide.
    Sorry but you miss the fact that currently to most people the Government looks like it’s doing nothing at the moment (courts in a mess, roads a mess, local government going bankrupt, NHS a mess….) while tax rates are higher than ever and worse are going to continue to increase for the next 5 years

    And a lot of that comes down to decisions Osborne implemented in 2010-12
  • What did Dave expect, making a Labour voting lingerie entrepreneur a Tory peer?
    Yes, that appointment went tits up.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    eek said:

    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Labour's last 'decade of national renewal' ended with a massive financial crash...

    Balancing the books matter. which is why I want politicians to be honest and say: "If you want good services, taxes need to go up."
    Brown bringing down Lehman Brothers, Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac defined his term in office. Fortunately 15 years on we are, as a nation, in much better shape- NOT!
    Blair and Brown were blessed with 13 years of stability, having inherited good public finances. In that time, they had three major events: foot and mouth, 9/11, and the financial crash.

    Their answer to foot-and-mouth was to throw money at the problem. Literally. Shovel money at it until it went away.

    Their 9/11 response was good in terms of Afghanistan (initially); hideous in terms of Iraq. That continues to harm us up to this day.

    They did not cause the financial crash; but Brown did put us into a position where we were utterly unprepared for it. Shame on him.

    In comparison, the Conservatives/coalition inherited a terrible fiscal situation, and faced three major issues:

    Brexit (their own doing)

    Covid (orders of magnitude greater than anything Blair/Brown faced)

    Ukraine (directly affecting cost-of-living); again, greater than anything Blair/Brown faced.

    Brexit was a self-own by the Conservatives (although for explainable reasons). But Blair/Brown squandered some good years, whilst the Conservatives have had to fight against an ebbing tide.
    Sorry but you miss the fact that currently to most people the Government looks like it’s doing nothing at the moment (courts in a mess, roads a mess, local government going bankrupt, NHS a mess….) while tax rates are higher than ever and worse are going to continue to increase for the next 5 years

    And a lot of that comes down to decisions Osborne implemented in 2010-12
    Does it?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Labour's last 'decade of national renewal' ended with a massive financial crash...

    Balancing the books matter. which is why I want politicians to be honest and say: "If you want good services, taxes need to go up."
    Brown bringing down Lehman Brothers, Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac defined his term in office. Fortunately 15 years on we are, as a nation, in much better shape- NOT!
    Blair and Brown were blessed with 13 years of stability, having inherited good public finances. In that time, they had three major events: foot and mouth, 9/11, and the financial crash.

    Their answer to foot-and-mouth was to throw money at the problem. Literally. Shovel money at it until it went away.

    Their 9/11 response was good in terms of Afghanistan (initially); hideous in terms of Iraq. That continues to harm us up to this day.

    They did not cause the financial crash; but Brown did put us into a position where we were utterly unprepared for it. Shame on him.

    In comparison, the Conservatives/coalition inherited a terrible fiscal situation, and faced three major issues:

    Brexit (their own doing)

    Covid (orders of magnitude greater than anything Blair/Brown faced)

    Ukraine (directly affecting cost-of-living); again, greater than anything Blair/Brown faced.

    Brexit was a self-own by the Conservatives (although for explainable reasons). But Blair/Brown squandered some good years, whilst the Conservatives have had to fight against an ebbing tide.
    You are probably not old enough to remember the Truss administration.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Is she suggesting he set up a company, bought a load of Moderna shares before they created a vaccine (but knew they were going to) and then gave a call to the vaccine committee to arrange the Moderna approval as the third choice vaccine? He should be praised for his foresight if that’s the case.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,818

    I am delighted that none of you have disagreed with my observation in the header that David Cameron is awesome.

    Er ... the same Mr Cameron who elevated Ms Mone to the HoL, at the time very much as a good upstanding reputable Unionist? Or are we talking about another member of the clan?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    You just don't understand VCM's intellectual, elitist left- wing humour.

    N.B. Neither do I!
    It crossed my mind I might not be clever enough to understand them!

    I quite like the way she presents the quiz, but those monologues leave me slack jawed, I just don’t get how they’re funny. Maybe the lack of a laugh track accentuates it, as someone else said
    I think VCM's humour is a bit like 'Monty Python' or 'The Fast Show': with hindsight a lot of minor misses; but the times she hits the mark make up for the misses.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572

    kinabalu said:

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
    That's your decade of national renewal right there.
    Labour's last 'decade of national renewal' ended with a massive financial crash...

    Balancing the books matter. which is why I want politicians to be honest and say: "If you want good services, taxes need to go up."
    Brown bringing down Lehman Brothers, Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac defined his term in office. Fortunately 15 years on we are, as a nation, in much better shape- NOT!
    Blair and Brown were blessed with 13 years of stability, having inherited good public finances. In that time, they had three major events: foot and mouth, 9/11, and the financial crash.

    Their answer to foot-and-mouth was to throw money at the problem. Literally. Shovel money at it until it went away.

    Their 9/11 response was good in terms of Afghanistan (initially); hideous in terms of Iraq. That continues to harm us up to this day.

    They did not cause the financial crash; but Brown did put us into a position where we were utterly unprepared for it. Shame on him.

    In comparison, the Conservatives/coalition inherited a terrible fiscal situation, and faced three major issues:

    Brexit (their own doing)

    Covid (orders of magnitude greater than anything Blair/Brown faced)

    Ukraine (directly affecting cost-of-living); again, greater than anything Blair/Brown faced.

    Brexit was a self-own by the Conservatives (although for explainable reasons). But Blair/Brown squandered some good years, whilst the Conservatives have had to fight against an ebbing tide.
    You are probably not old enough to remember the Truss administration.
    Fuck off.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375

    Isn't it great when two very rich people get into a public squabble about which of them is the most corrupt?
    Much more fun when sex is involved.
    Seriously? Sunak and Mone are.......?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,818

    Carnyx said:

    Not sure that we were all up to our groins in the grift is a great defence. Stiil, good giruy Rishi energy.

    https://x.com/MichelleMone/status/1736754263055815050?s=20

    Graun feed reports another, erm, original bit of shtick:

    'In an earlier message on X, Michelle Mone also suggested that, if anyone was to blame for the government overspending on PPE, it was Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister during Covid and now levelling up secretary, and Sir Chris Wormald, permanent secretary at the Department of Health.

    "Michael Gove and Sir Chris Wormald approved the purchase of 5 years supply of PPE when the remit was to build up only 4 months. They oversaw huge waste in PPE contracts. They have both had questions to answer for a very long time."'

    Is that 4 months as in normal pre-covid or 4 months of covid she means??

    @Foxy would be the one to ask, but there were stories at the time that PPE was being used at 20-30 times the normal rate.

    I still think that we need to investigate non-disposable PPE. Cleaning chemicals are much easier to stockpile than thin, bio-degradable plastic.
    Quite so re the rates. Her statement doesn't make sense to me either way. She seems to be mixing pre-covid and during-covid.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,786
    Ghedebrav said:

    Sean_F said:

    Newsweek is saying Russia is being pounded like a dockside hooker. Is there any verification?

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-artillery-systems-casualty-count-tanks-avdiivka-ukraine-1853110

    Russian casualties have hit 1,000 a day, quite frequently in recent weeks.
    I feel like the Putin-as-strategic-mastermind meme has been reappearing of late, but while he is certainly a formidable character the SMO remains a massive strategic error and a human catastrophe. He has already likely spent hundreds of thousands of Russian lives in the meatgrinder; the conflict may claim over a million deaths before it is over. And for what? A relatively small strip of land*, swathes of which will be uninhabitable for years.

    He vastly underestimated the level of opposition he would face. Now thousands die daily to save face. He himself may not live to see the reckoning, but it will come.



    *My belief is that Donbas and Crimea will be taken in the end, and become a part of Russia, as the price of peace.
    I can see why one might want to fight for Crimea - but AFAIUI, the Donbas is an almost relentless shithole. Imagine if that was all they ended up with? Extinguishing the flower of your nation's wealth for a dead and sullen coalfield.
  • Isn't it great when two very rich people get into a public squabble about which of them is the most corrupt?
    Much more fun when sex is involved.
    Seriously? Sunak and Mone are.......?
    No.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    Ghedebrav said:

    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Let me get this right, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is currently investigating eight MPs:

    Rt Hon. Colonel Bob Stewart (Con*)
    Mr Andrew Bridgen (Con*)
    Ms Virginia Crosbie (Con)
    Rt Hon. Dame Eleanor Laing (Con)
    Mr Marco Longhi (Con)
    Mr David Duguid (Con)
    Sir Bernard Jenkin (Con)
    Ms Miriam Cates (Con)

    Is there a pattern I wonder?

    (*Elected as Con, now disowned by them - too late.)

    https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/allegations-currently-under-investigation-by-the-commissioner/
    Bernard Jenkin and Eleanor Laing feel like odd-ones-out on that list though. I wouldn't have ranked them alongside full-bore moonhowlers like Cates and Bridgen.
    Bernard signed off the execution warrant for Boris Johnson. Just sayin
  • Victoria Coren is great.
    Giles Coren is awful.

    I’d use the Drake meme to illustrate this, but can’t be bothered.

    Agree.

    I skip over every single one of his columns.

    He seems to be labouring under the illusion he's a real wag.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Meanwhile someone has suddenly found that they haven’t lost their WhatsApp posts from 2020

    https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1736798538724528315
  • I am delighted that none of you have disagreed with my observation in the header that David Cameron is awesome.

    "Lord" Cameron = UNELECTED HAS-BEEN!
  • eek said:

    Meanwhile someone has suddenly found that they haven’t lost their WhatsApp posts from 2020

    https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1736798538724528315

    That looks like a Facebook Messenger post.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,241

    The Tories kept funding the NHS during austerity, but the money mostly went on the wage bill.

    Capital budgets were slashed to the bone, which is why the beds:patient and CT scanner:patient ratios are pretty much third-world.

    Is that just the CT scanners that the NHS owns? They lease a lot of them on a pay-per-use basis (eg Alliance Medical).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    eek said:

    Meanwhile someone has suddenly found that they haven’t lost their WhatsApp posts from 2020

    https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1736798538724528315

    That really is f*****' gold!
  • DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    The A&E '% seen within 4 hours' is telling too.

    image

    Not quite so dramatic maybe but pretty clear.
    As always with graphs/charts; look at what they're saying. In this case, why does one graph start well after the other? What happened in the earlier years?

    Not saying this doesn't show a problem; just that it's the sort of thing that always pops into my mind when I see any chart.
    Good question.

    I'm struggling in a quick search to find pre-2010 data for A&E waiting times, so I wonder where that FT graph got its data from. Was that target measured before 2003?

    There's no reason why the two graphs should have the same x-axis limits of course, they work independently.

    If, as I hope, Labour do use any of these they really need to make sure they're watertight though
    Good afternoon

    I am not posting much due to my on going health issues but I would just say that as poor as England's NHS stats are, Wales are worse and this is the responsibility of Wales Labour government

    9 weeks ago today at this time I was sent directly into A & E by my GP as a medical emergency. I was triaged at 5.30pm, had blood at 6.30pm and then my wife and I waited with 114 other patients overnight, being asked back at 3.00am for more bloods as they had made an error with those at 6.30pm

    It was 7.00am, (over 13 hours later) I first saw the A & E doctor who immediately admitted me to hospital and arranged an emergency ultrasound which confirmed a massive left thigh DVT and other issues

    I continue under the care of the hospital and three consultants, but the point I would make is that it not just an English issues, but also a Welsh and as I understand it from our family, a Scottish one which covers the political divide of Conservative, Labour and SNP

    I do not know the answer and certainly Streeting will have his work cut out to come a anywhere near a resolution for England, and as for Wales I see little prospect of improvement in the short term
    Really sorry to hear about your health issues Big_G and your terrible experience at A&E.

    You may be right about Welsh Labour but I can't escape the feeling that this is all determined in Westminster. I suspect the powers of the Welsh and Scottish governments are severely constrained by what Westminster does.
    Thank you and I certainly am not as active as I was and just wait for the results of my various tests, and possibly more in the new year

    It will be interesting as we move to a Welsh labour government and an English one just how this plays out in Wales

    Drakeford has resigned at just the point when his popularity and labour's show falls in the polls, not least from the terrible implementation of the 20mph scheme which is widely criticised and with a Labour government in Westminster and Cardiff the conservatives cannot be blamed as Wales NHS will almost certainly continue to fail
    Of course the Tories can be blames - and are. The devolved administrations manage their own budgets - but only within the boundaries of the cash the are given and can generate. A shortage of cash is the issue, which is how we see a variety of parties in a variety of bodies all having a lack of cash.

    "Don't blame the government, blame your council" doesn't work either.
    You misread my post

    I said that when Labour are in power in Westminster and also in Wales (first time since 2010) then Wales NHS continued failure cannot be blamed on the conservatives then

    And as you are aware Wales and Scotland receive money through the devolved settlement and how they choose to spend that money or indeed raise taxes is in their own hands
  • Can't excorin the Coren?
  • eek said:

    Meanwhile someone has suddenly found that they haven’t lost their WhatsApp posts from 2020

    https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1736798538724528315

    That looks like a Facebook Messenger post.
    Yeah, WhatsApp messages don't put the time with the date at the top, just in the message itself.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    What did Dave expect, making a Labour voting lingerie entrepreneur a Tory peer?
    Yes, that appointment went tits up.
    Excellent pun, as the Germans say, “Wünderbra”.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,241

    Labour leads by 18% in our final poll of 2023, one point higher than at end of 2022.

    Westminster VI (17 Dec):

    Labour 42% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (-2)
    Reform UK 10% (-1)
    Green 6% (+1)
    SNP 4% (+2)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 10 Dec

    Which pollster?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549

    Andy_JS said:

    It looks like the ANC may finally lose its majority at the next election. Most polls are putting them at around 45%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls

    As with the PRI in Mexico, the last gasp will be the worst…
    Significant development: Zuma has said he's no longer supporting the ANC.

    "By announcing he will not vote or campaign for South Africa's governing African National Congress (ANC) in next year's general election, former president Jacob Zuma is seeking to portray himself as its saviour. This might seem a contradiction in terms, but the strategy appears clear from his words, including the highly personal attack on his successor, President Cyril Ramaphosa."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-67741527
  • Asking for a friend.

    Can the grandson of immigrants to this country be described as a toff?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Asking for a friend.

    Can the grandson of immigrants to this country be described as a toff?

    It’s been applied to many of the Royal family.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It looks like the ANC may finally lose its majority at the next election. Most polls are putting them at around 45%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls

    As with the PRI in Mexico, the last gasp will be the worst…
    Significant development: Zuma has said he's no longer supporting the ANC.

    "By announcing he will not vote or campaign for South Africa's governing African National Congress (ANC) in next year's general election, former president Jacob Zuma is seeking to portray himself as its saviour. This might seem a contradiction in terms, but the strategy appears clear from his words, including the highly personal attack on his successor, President Cyril Ramaphosa."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-67741527
    Zuma is too corrupt for the ANC. Yes, indeed.
  • Asking for a friend.

    Can the grandson of immigrants to this country be described as a toff?

    Can Rishi be described as Soon Hacked Off?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,263
    Third festive engagement of the season done. Four more to go

    It is an endurance race, isn't it? Why do we do this? Pack everything into two or three insane frenetic weeks?

    The oysters are nice, tho
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited December 2023

    Asking for a friend.

    Can the grandson of immigrants to this country be described as a toff?

    Doesn't it depend on the choice of shoes?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,241

    Ghedebrav said:

    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Let me get this right, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is currently investigating eight MPs:

    Rt Hon. Colonel Bob Stewart (Con*)
    Mr Andrew Bridgen (Con*)
    Ms Virginia Crosbie (Con)
    Rt Hon. Dame Eleanor Laing (Con)
    Mr Marco Longhi (Con)
    Mr David Duguid (Con)
    Sir Bernard Jenkin (Con)
    Ms Miriam Cates (Con)

    Is there a pattern I wonder?

    (*Elected as Con, now disowned by them - too late.)

    https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/allegations-currently-under-investigation-by-the-commissioner/
    Bernard Jenkin and Eleanor Laing feel like odd-ones-out on that list though. I wouldn't have ranked them alongside full-bore moonhowlers like Cates and Bridgen.
    Maybe it's just me, but I'm not entirely comfortable with Eleanor Laing continuing as Deputy Speaker (and Chair of Ways and Means) until the investigation into her (for actions causing significant damage to the reputation of the House etc.) is completed.
    Maybe she should step down temporarily.
    For attending a party in Dec 2020 which people have claimed breached Covid regulations but which the police said didn’t meet the threshold for fines?

    It doesn’t impact on her ability to do her job

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,263
    tlg86 said:
    Oh my word. Everyone there should be fired

    This is Nazi-style anti-Semitism. It is back. Hidden in plain sight
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Leon said:

    Third festive engagement of the season done. Four more to go

    It is an endurance race, isn't it? Why do we do this? Pack everything into two or three insane frenetic weeks?

    The oysters are nice, tho

    When I was a young whippersnapper of a stockbroker my Decembers were horrific/amazing. 4 days a week, every week, in December were either very pissy client lunches that went on until late or client dinners that went later. I was shoving every supplement I could get into my system to keep going. We always still managed to find room in the schedule for a big lunch to thank all the corporate clients’ support staff which coincidentally were all the prettiest girls we vaguely had any professional contact with.

    When we weren’t entertaining we were being entertained by our counterparts. Very messy and numerous mornings waking up in hotel rooms with randoms and having to get a quick taxi home, shower and change whilst they waited, a morning of work then back on it.

    Couldn’t do it now as I would die and it’s a bit frowned upon these days sadly. Definitely got more new and further business from the relationships and laughs made during December than any competence, which was lucky.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    https://x.com/eladgil/status/1736810406625292383?s=46&t=cxkq0jndvkhIwWZCCEL3QQ

    Circulating on chat groups right now “takeaway from Figma/Adobe is don’t open a UK office as a US startup”
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,241

    Asking for a friend.

    Can the grandson of immigrants to this country be described as a toff?

    Churchill?
  • Leon said:

    Third festive engagement of the season done. Four more to go

    It is an endurance race, isn't it? Why do we do this? Pack everything into two or three insane frenetic weeks?

    The oysters are nice, tho

    Shed a lot this year, and also junked the Christmas cards.

    Going into London tomorrow- last time this year.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,618
    eek said:

    https://x.com/eladgil/status/1736810406625292383?s=46&t=cxkq0jndvkhIwWZCCEL3QQ

    Circulating on chat groups right now “takeaway from Figma/Adobe is don’t open a UK office as a US startup”

    It was also the EU that blocked the deal, so the takeaway should be to diverge more from them.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,263
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    Third festive engagement of the season done. Four more to go

    It is an endurance race, isn't it? Why do we do this? Pack everything into two or three insane frenetic weeks?

    The oysters are nice, tho

    When I was a young whippersnapper of a stockbroker my Decembers were horrific/amazing. 4 days a week, every week, in December were either very pissy client lunches that went on until late or client dinners that went later. I was shoving every supplement I could get into my system to keep going. We always still managed to find room in the schedule for a big lunch to thank all the corporate clients’ support staff which coincidentally were all the prettiest girls we vaguely had any professional contact with.

    When we weren’t entertaining we were being entertained by our counterparts. Very messy and numerous mornings waking up in hotel rooms with randoms and having to get a quick taxi home, shower and change whilst they waited, a morning of work then back on it.

    Couldn’t do it now as I would die and it’s a bit frowned upon these days sadly. Definitely got more new and further business from the relationships and laughs made during December than any competence, which was lucky.
    Oh god yeah. In reality I can't believe I am complaining about a handful of functions. My social diary is pitiful compared to what I used to do in London in my 20s and 30s

    From about Dec 5th on there was often 3 or 4 different media/TV/magazine/flint knapping parties a night, maybe 3 nights a week, and you would try to hit 2 of them

    So you could end up doing literally 20 parties by December 25 at which point you collapsed into an alcoholic coma and your family wondered why you looked a bit peaky and subdued on Xmas Day morning
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