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Too many tweets, Part II – politicalbetting.com

?BREAKING: We just passed into law the biggest package of tax cuts in modern history, meaning 27 million people save more from January.Conservatives believe hard work should be rewarded. pic.twitter.com/1weWZvK5wN

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,477

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    isamisam Posts: 40,911
    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,911
    Seems unlikely, but apparently the white British percentage of NHS staff is almost exactly the same as the white British percentage of the English & Welsh population, according to the 2021 census
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    isam said:

    Seems unlikely, but apparently the white British percentage of NHS staff is almost exactly the same as the white British percentage of the English & Welsh population, according to the 2021 census

    The law of large numbers!
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,407
    edited December 2023
    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @UKLabour

    The longer the Tories are in power, the longer patients will wait.


    Blimey. Obv 2020 onwards was explainable, but what the hell happened between 2010 and 2019???
    Ah, the classic interrupted time series :smile: There's a clue in the labels on the graph.

    (Labour ensured that there were enough hospital scandals killing off sick people to reduce the waiting lists)

    ETA: The lack of lag is seriously impressive. Say what you like about the Tories, they effect change quickly.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,477
    isam said:

    Does this picture make it look as if Taylor Swift is about to unleash a lethal left-arm wrist-spinner? Or do I just have a one-track mind?

    https://x.com/simonrbriggs/status/1736669138792137045?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Great response.
    I think she’s the finest Tony Lock impersonator to grace the charts.
    https://twitter.com/colin_mayes1/status/1736671486633533692
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001
    isam said:

    Seems unlikely, but apparently the white British percentage of NHS staff is almost exactly the same as the white British percentage of the English & Welsh population, according to the 2021 census

    All NHS staff though - not necessarily frontline/medical staff. Would expect e.g. doctors to be somewhat more diverse.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001
    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
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    Does have its uses though. I just logged in to the Borg to see if it knows what Cates is in the shitter for, and saw this. Made me chuckle anyway.

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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    FPT:

    Anyone who has used South Western Failway recently would never be advocating privatisation.

    I've generally found them to be fine. Not perfect by any means, but then again I remember British Rail.
    The South West region wasn't too bad until 2017 then, inevitably, South West Trains were underbid for the franchise and the new company have trashed the services somewhat (presumably because they had impossible figures to hit). Even with SWT there was no long-term investment because... why would they if they're likely to be undercut on the next franchise bid?

    Now whenever we go to London we drive 25 miles to Westbury rather than 5 miles to Gillingham, and get the GWR into Paddington. Cheaper, quicker, and generally more reliable.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162
    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,586
    isam said:

    Seems unlikely, but apparently the white British percentage of NHS staff is almost exactly the same as the white British percentage of the English & Welsh population, according to the 2021 census

    https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/the-nhs-workforce-in-numbers#toc-header-1 has something on this. They report, "One quarter (25%) of NHS staff are of Asian, black or another minority ethnicity, compared to 13% of all working-age adults in the UK. However, these proportions vary considerably by staff group and staff grade."
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636

    Does have its uses though. I just logged in to the Borg to see if it knows what Cates is in the shitter for, and saw this. Made me chuckle anyway.

    Did you find out? Appreciate you can't post the reason itself on here but any links?
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001

    Does have its uses though. I just logged in to the Borg to see if it knows what Cates is in the shitter for, and saw this. Made me chuckle anyway.

    She'll be out on her ear next year anyway, presumably to stay at home in accordance with her professed beliefs.
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    Not sure that we were all up to our groins in the grift is a great defence. Stiil, good giruy Rishi energy.

    https://x.com/MichelleMone/status/1736754263055815050?s=20
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    Blimey, did she answer the phones as well as present the news?
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,388
    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    15 to 1 was jolly for the watcher, but you always felt that there was rather more than pure quizzing ability to keeping you in the game.

    I had a friend who thought she was brilliant at general knowledge, despite all evidence to the contrary. She went on 15 to 1. First to be eliminated. Then she went on the weakest link. First to be eliminated. Then she went on 100%. Came last. Admirably, none of this put even the tiniest dent in her self-confidence.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    edited December 2023
    Selebian said:

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @UKLabour

    The longer the Tories are in power, the longer patients will wait.


    Blimey. Obv 2020 onwards was explainable, but what the hell happened between 2010 and 2019???
    Ah, the classic interrupted time series :smile: There's a clue in the labels on the graph.

    (Labour ensured that there were enough hospital scandals killing off sick people to reduce the waiting lists)

    ETA: The lack of lag is seriously impressive. Say what you like about the Tories, they effect change quickly.
    Tbf the period 2008 - 2011 looks much like 1998 - 2001. There's no saying waiting times wouldn't have stalled or even risen had Labour stayed in power after 2010.

    But the rise since 2011 has been startling. Well done the Tories.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,243
    edited December 2023
    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    The Chase
    Countdown
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,190
    edited December 2023
    With the Tories and these tweets / statements there are two scenarios:
    1 They know its a lie but assume the public are too stupid to know
    2 They are too stupid to know its a lie AND they think the public are stupid

    They have been out claiming black is white for a while, and its probably now a knee-jerk muscle memory. Meanwhile the rest of us know what reality is because we live it. It isn't working any more.

    We're back to how brilliant the film Don't Look Up was. Try to persuade people to disbelieve their own senses and basics of thinking because politically you want to manipulate them. It works for a while, but once everyone can see the big rock in the sky its hard to maintain the lie that it doesn't exist.

    The Tory tax rise is the DLU asteroid. No matter how hard they try to insist that its a tax cut, we can all see it in the sky...
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    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,635

    Not sure that we were all up to our groins in the grift is a great defence. Stiil, good giruy Rishi energy.

    https://x.com/MichelleMone/status/1736754263055815050?s=20

    Graun feed reports another, erm, original bit of shtick:

    'In an earlier message on X, Michelle Mone also suggested that, if anyone was to blame for the government overspending on PPE, it was Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister during Covid and now levelling up secretary, and Sir Chris Wormald, permanent secretary at the Department of Health.

    "Michael Gove and Sir Chris Wormald approved the purchase of 5 years supply of PPE when the remit was to build up only 4 months. They oversaw huge waste in PPE contracts. They have both had questions to answer for a very long time."'

    Is that 4 months as in normal pre-covid or 4 months of covid she means??

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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    edited December 2023
    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    The A&E '% seen within 4 hours' is telling too.

    image

    Not quite so dramatic maybe but pretty clear.
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    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    15 to 1 was jolly for the watcher, but you always felt that there was rather more than pure quizzing ability to keeping you in the game.

    I had a friend who thought she was brilliant at general knowledge, despite all evidence to the contrary. She went on 15 to 1. First to be eliminated. Then she went on the weakest link. First to be eliminated. Then she went on 100%. Came last. Admirably, none of this put even the tiniest dent in her self-confidence.
    What I liked about 15-1 is when they really went after someone who was a threat but who'd shown weakness.

    There was a really odd bloke at university, who had great general knowledge. I forget his real name but will always know him as "Roger's Friend" as that was his (one man) quiz team name. Anyway, I think he got to the grand final, and was clearly dangerous. But he got a relatively easy one wrong, people could see he was a bit flustered, and it was "nominate Roger's Friend", "nominate Roger's Friend", "nominate Roger's Friend" until he collapsed.

    I also know a bloke who we to this day mock because he used to regularly go on birdwatching holidays, then got to the final three of 15-1, and the decisive question was, "What is the national bird of New Zealand?" Turns out the answer isn't "emu", funnily enough.

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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,508
    edited December 2023
    isam said:

    Does this picture make it look as if Taylor Swift is about to unleash a lethal left-arm wrist-spinner? Or do I just have a one-track mind?

    https://x.com/simonrbriggs/status/1736669138792137045?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Really good left arm wrist spinners are so rare that you wonder if there is some way she could switch to a more useful career and qualify for England. It would be fun to see Lords full of Swifties.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,911
    edited December 2023

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @UKLabour

    The longer the Tories are in power, the longer patients will wait.


    Blimey. Obv 2020 onwards was explainable, but what the hell happened between 2010 and 2019???
    The clue is in the graph. Look at the different colours.
    Well you don’t say.

    But @Scott_xP is posting it, and it’s showing up Cameron, Osborne & Co. Don’t tell me he’s turned on them now
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    algarkirk said:

    isam said:

    Does this picture make it look as if Taylor Swift is about to unleash a lethal left-arm wrist-spinner? Or do I just have a one-track mind?

    https://x.com/simonrbriggs/status/1736669138792137045?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Really good left arm wrist spinners are so rare that you wonder if there is some way she could switch to a more useful career and qualify for England. It would be fun to see Lords full of Swifties.
    Would certainly boost attendances.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,508

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    15 to 1 was jolly for the watcher, but you always felt that there was rather more than pure quizzing ability to keeping you in the game.

    I had a friend who thought she was brilliant at general knowledge, despite all evidence to the contrary. She went on 15 to 1. First to be eliminated. Then she went on the weakest link. First to be eliminated. Then she went on 100%. Came last. Admirably, none of this put even the tiniest dent in her self-confidence.
    What I liked about 15-1 is when they really went after someone who was a threat but who'd shown weakness.

    There was a really odd bloke at university, who had great general knowledge. I forget his real name but will always know him as "Roger's Friend" as that was his (one man) quiz team name. Anyway, I think he got to the grand final, and was clearly dangerous. But he got a relatively easy one wrong, people could see he was a bit flustered, and it was "nominate Roger's Friend", "nominate Roger's Friend", "nominate Roger's Friend" until he collapsed.

    I also know a bloke who we to this day mock because he used to regularly go on birdwatching holidays, then got to the final three of 15-1, and the decisive question was, "What is the national bird of New Zealand?" Turns out the answer isn't "emu", funnily enough.

    OTOH, all Wodehouse fans know that 'emu' is the answer to the clue 'flightless Australian bird' 3 letters. The clue strongly tests and challenges more than one less intellectually endowed character in his works.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,477

    Not sure that we were all up to our groins in the grift is a great defence. Stiil, good giruy Rishi energy.

    https://x.com/MichelleMone/status/1736754263055815050?s=20

    If she genuinely believed that she'd "done a lot of good", why did she feel the need to employ lawyers to lie about it for two years ?
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/18/michelle-mone-hits-out-rishi-sunak-ppe-deals
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    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    I suspect that we're going to spend the next twelve months finding out, and it's going to be like that scene in The Simpsons where Sideshow Bob stands on many many rakes, one after the other.

    He can't stand on Starmer is Scary, because he isn't, and neither is his front bench. They might not be up to the job, because the job is impossible.

    They can't stand on the brilliance of the government's record, because they've not been up to the job either.

    So what can the Conservatives go with? "Don't give Labour too big a majority"? Probably has the benefit of being true and it acknowledges where the battleground is, but it's a rubbish message, with echoes of the Conservative campaign in 2005.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001
    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    Is it true that William G Stewart wrote all the questions himself?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,477
    Ghedebrav said:

    Does have its uses though. I just logged in to the Borg to see if it knows what Cates is in the shitter for, and saw this. Made me chuckle anyway.

    She'll be out on her ear next year anyway, presumably to stay at home in accordance with her professed beliefs.
    Miriam Cates is being investigated by the Standards Watchdog for causing “significant damage to the reputation of the House”. When I think of how bad the reputation of the House is already, I can only imagine she must have been torturing kittens.
    https://twitter.com/Parody_PM/status/1736779292246225288
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    The Chase
    Countdown
    Countdown is a good shout. The Chase is a good quiz (if in a format I still find a bit odd), but I discounted from the original question on grounds of having a substantial prize.

    A quiz I couldn't stand, for reasons I can't quite explain, was Eggheads. Just found it really boring and there was a time in the early 2010s when it seemed like it was on whenever you turned on the telly.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,388
    Ghedebrav said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    Is it true that William G Stewart wrote all the questions himself?
    Wikipedia does not say.

    But it says many other very interesting things about him. I heartily recommend the whole article. On a topical note,

    "He was a long-standing supporter of the campaign to return the Elgin Marbles to Greece. He joked that if, on an episode of Fifteen to One, too few contestants survived the first round to continue the game, he would give a speech on the Marbles to fill the time. This happened in a 2001 episode, where he gave a lengthy presentation stating the case to return them, for which the channel was criticised."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Stewart
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    AverageNinjaAverageNinja Posts: 1,169
    edited December 2023
    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,126
    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    You just don't understand VCM's intellectual, elitist left- wing humour.

    N.B. Neither do I!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,937

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    The A&E '% seen within 4 hours' is telling too.

    image

    Not quite so dramatic maybe but pretty clear.
    As always with graphs/charts; look at what they're saying. In this case, why does one graph start well after the other? What happened in the earlier years?

    Not saying this doesn't show a problem; just that it's the sort of thing that always pops into my mind when I see any chart.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,388

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    You just don't understand VCM's intellectual, elitist left- wing humour.

    N.B. Neither do I!
    I find VCM's humour one of the funniest things on TV.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001
    Cookie said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    Is it true that William G Stewart wrote all the questions himself?
    Wikipedia does not say.

    But it says many other very interesting things about him. I heartily recommend the whole article. On a topical note,

    "He was a long-standing supporter of the campaign to return the Elgin Marbles to Greece. He joked that if, on an episode of Fifteen to One, too few contestants survived the first round to continue the game, he would give a speech on the Marbles to fill the time. This happened in a 2001 episode, where he gave a lengthy presentation stating the case to return them, for which the channel was criticised."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Stewart
    I vaguely recall that happening! He was/is right of course.
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    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    The A&E '% seen within 4 hours' is telling too.

    image

    Not quite so dramatic maybe but pretty clear.
    As always with graphs/charts; look at what they're saying. In this case, why does one graph start well after the other? What happened in the earlier years?

    Not saying this doesn't show a problem; just that it's the sort of thing that always pops into my mind when I see any chart.
    The A and E target only came in in 2004, so did they record data before that?
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    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    The A&E '% seen within 4 hours' is telling too.

    image

    Not quite so dramatic maybe but pretty clear.
    As always with graphs/charts; look at what they're saying. In this case, why does one graph start well after the other? What happened in the earlier years?

    Not saying this doesn't show a problem; just that it's the sort of thing that always pops into my mind when I see any chart.
    Not sure we should care what the number was in 1975 when it has dropped from consistent high 90s to sub 60 in a decade. We should get it back to the 90s.
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    Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,499
    Perhaps one of you could post a photo of those emus pulling rail cars . . .

    I wouldn't have thought those birds were big enough, but perhaps there has been an advance in breeding, or even genetic enegineering. (For some passengers, such an "organic" engine would be an attraction, I suspect.)
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001
    edited December 2023

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    The A&E '% seen within 4 hours' is telling too.

    image

    Not quite so dramatic maybe but pretty clear.
    As always with graphs/charts; look at what they're saying. In this case, why does one graph start well after the other? What happened in the earlier years?

    Not saying this doesn't show a problem; just that it's the sort of thing that always pops into my mind when I see any chart.
    Good question.

    I'm struggling in a quick search to find pre-2010 data for A&E waiting times, so I wonder where that FT graph got its data from. Was that target measured before 2003?

    There's no reason why the two graphs should have the same x-axis limits of course, they work independently.

    If, as I hope, Labour do use any of these they really need to make sure they're watertight though
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    In the 2005 election, people were annoyed at being soon too quickly for their GP appointments.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,388

    Perhaps one of you could post a photo of those emus pulling rail cars . . .

    I wouldn't have thought those birds were big enough, but perhaps there has been an advance in breeding, or even genetic enegineering. (For some passengers, such an "organic" engine would be an attraction, I suspect.)

    Seems unlikely it would be emus. Famously uncooperative and aggressive birds, IIRC. Ostriches might be more amenable?
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    Biden rules out UK-US trade “agreement”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/18/joe-biden-signals-he-has-no-interest-in-signing-us-uk-trade-agreement

    Vanishingly likely never to happen, since the US wants to impose crap agri standards and monopolistic copyright rules on the UK, and has no interest in a services deal where the UK had a comparative advantage.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,531
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    Perhaps one of you could post a photo of those emus pulling rail cars . . .

    I wouldn't have thought those birds were big enough, but perhaps there has been an advance in breeding, or even genetic enegineering. (For some passengers, such an "organic" engine would be an attraction, I suspect.)

    Jim, the trains on the NYC Subway are EMUs!
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162
    edited December 2023

    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    Blimey, did she answer the phones as well as present the news?
    Ha no. As if. We're talking major star here. From my eavesdropping she was there to discuss a new daytime show. An exciting moment for me.
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    Nigelb said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Does have its uses though. I just logged in to the Borg to see if it knows what Cates is in the shitter for, and saw this. Made me chuckle anyway.

    She'll be out on her ear next year anyway, presumably to stay at home in accordance with her professed beliefs.
    Miriam Cates is being investigated by the Standards Watchdog for causing “significant damage to the reputation of the House”. When I think of how bad the reputation of the House is already, I can only imagine she must have been torturing kittens.
    https://twitter.com/Parody_PM/status/1736779292246225288
    Not happy with just the boomer vote they are branching out and trying to get the Zouma's on board too.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    The Tories kept funding the NHS during austerity, but the money mostly went on the wage bill.

    Capital budgets were slashed to the bone, which is why the beds:patient and CT scanner:patient ratios are pretty much third-world.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,635

    Perhaps one of you could post a photo of those emus pulling rail cars . . .

    I wouldn't have thought those birds were big enough, but perhaps there has been an advance in breeding, or even genetic enegineering. (For some passengers, such an "organic" engine would be an attraction, I suspect.)

    You're from the States, aren't you, so this may be a serious question ...EMU is a Brit railway abbrevuation/acronym for electric motive unit - selfcontained passenger coach or set of coaches without a separate locomotive and with the engines/motors on the bogies ('truck' in Usonese I think?) of each coach or a fair number of them.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636
    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    Sunak's Saw: 'No matter how badly a message can be presented Rishi Sunak will find a way to make it worse'.
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    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    Fortunately he has wise heads like Oliver Dowden and Grant Shapps to advise him.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,635
    Cookie said:

    Perhaps one of you could post a photo of those emus pulling rail cars . . .

    I wouldn't have thought those birds were big enough, but perhaps there has been an advance in breeding, or even genetic enegineering. (For some passengers, such an "organic" engine would be an attraction, I suspect.)

    Seems unlikely it would be emus. Famously uncooperative and aggressive birds, IIRC. Ostriches might be more amenable?
    The chaps in the States know all about that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWAOuI4NAug
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    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    It’s a cautionary tale for future governing parties that it might not be the greatest idea to elevate someone of limited political experience to the top job. Rishi had been chancellor but only for a short period and after a very rapid rise, without ever having to have done the heavy lifting in opposition. You can say what you like about Brown, May, heck even Boris, but they had been national political figures for a number of years.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847
    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.
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    The Daily Mail reports that Sir Keir Starmer defended a dog during his time in the CPS.

    Is this what we have to expect from the Tories in the GE24 campaign, the "let's put SKS in Number 10" campaign?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181

    The Daily Mail reports that Sir Keir Starmer defended a dog during his time in the CPS.

    Is this what we have to expect from the Tories in the GE24 campaign, the "let's put SKS in Number 10" campaign?

    They'll certainly keep bitching.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,875

    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    Sunak's Saw: 'No matter how badly a message can be presented Rishi Sunak will find a way to make it worse'.
    I was musing the other day about words matched with Prime Ministers.

    Fear. Thatcher.

    Respect. Brown.

    Horror. Truss.

    Pity. Sunak

    As a politician, to be pitied is worse than any other emotion...
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    Biden rules out UK-US trade “agreement”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/18/joe-biden-signals-he-has-no-interest-in-signing-us-uk-trade-agreement

    Vanishingly likely never to happen, since the US wants to impose crap agri standards and monopolistic copyright rules on the UK, and has no interest in a services deal where the UK had a comparative advantage.

    It was never ever on the cards, makes no sense, and not the votes for it in the US even if the UK was willing. There should be an equivalent of the serentity prayer for political parties. Fix the things that are fixable, dont chase unicorns.
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    ydoethur said:

    The Daily Mail reports that Sir Keir Starmer defended a dog during his time in the CPS.

    Is this what we have to expect from the Tories in the GE24 campaign, the "let's put SKS in Number 10" campaign?

    They'll certainly keep bitching.
    The country is certainly going to the dogs under the present government.
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    Biden rules out UK-US trade “agreement”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/18/joe-biden-signals-he-has-no-interest-in-signing-us-uk-trade-agreement

    Vanishingly likely never to happen, since the US wants to impose crap agri standards and monopolistic copyright rules on the UK, and has no interest in a services deal where the UK had a comparative advantage.

    It was never ever on the cards, makes no sense, and not the votes for it in the US even if the UK was willing. There should be an equivalent of the serentity prayer for political parties. Fix the things that are fixable, dont chase unicorns.
    Problem is Brexit makes less-than-zero sense without one.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162
    algarkirk said:

    isam said:

    Does this picture make it look as if Taylor Swift is about to unleash a lethal left-arm wrist-spinner? Or do I just have a one-track mind?

    https://x.com/simonrbriggs/status/1736669138792137045?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Really good left arm wrist spinners are so rare that you wonder if there is some way she could switch to a more useful career and qualify for England. It would be fun to see Lords full of Swifties.
    "These two look very comfortable against the seamers. One is loath to second guess Ben Stokes but surely it's worth giving Swift a couple of overs before tea."
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636

    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    It’s a cautionary tale for future governing parties that it might not be the greatest idea to elevate someone of limited political experience to the top job. Rishi had been chancellor but only for a short period and after a very rapid rise, without ever having to have done the heavy lifting in opposition. You can say what you like about Brown, May, heck even Boris, but they had been national political figures for a number of years.
    It's almost like Sunak got the PM job through be being lucky, lucky, lucky ;-)
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    Biden rules out UK-US trade “agreement”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/18/joe-biden-signals-he-has-no-interest-in-signing-us-uk-trade-agreement

    Vanishingly likely never to happen, since the US wants to impose crap agri standards and monopolistic copyright rules on the UK, and has no interest in a services deal where the UK had a comparative advantage.

    It was never ever on the cards, makes no sense, and not the votes for it in the US even if the UK was willing. There should be an equivalent of the serentity prayer for political parties. Fix the things that are fixable, dont chase unicorns.
    Problem is Brexit makes less-than-zero sense without one.
    So file Brexit away for now until it can be fixed (which will take time) and accept the loss. Fix something else.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,477

    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Unless, as suggested above, it's something so unspeakable there can be no question about it ?
    Which is why it must remain unspoken. Like the Python killing joke.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636

    Biden rules out UK-US trade “agreement”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/18/joe-biden-signals-he-has-no-interest-in-signing-us-uk-trade-agreement

    Vanishingly likely never to happen, since the US wants to impose crap agri standards and monopolistic copyright rules on the UK, and has no interest in a services deal where the UK had a comparative advantage.

    It was never ever on the cards, makes no sense, and not the votes for it in the US even if the UK was willing. There should be an equivalent of the serentity prayer for political parties. Fix the things that are fixable, dont chase unicorns.
    Problem is Brexit makes less-than-zero sense without one.
    Some superfluous words crept in there.
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    Biden rules out UK-US trade “agreement”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/18/joe-biden-signals-he-has-no-interest-in-signing-us-uk-trade-agreement

    Vanishingly likely never to happen, since the US wants to impose crap agri standards and monopolistic copyright rules on the UK, and has no interest in a services deal where the UK had a comparative advantage.

    It was never ever on the cards, makes no sense, and not the votes for it in the US even if the UK was willing. There should be an equivalent of the serentity prayer for political parties. Fix the things that are fixable, dont chase unicorns.
    Problem is Brexit makes less-than-zero sense without one.
    And therefore... Heaven only knows what we do about it.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,949
    Scott_xP said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    Sunak's Saw: 'No matter how badly a message can be presented Rishi Sunak will find a way to make it worse'.
    I was musing the other day about words matched with Prime Ministers.

    Fear. Thatcher.

    Respect. Brown.

    Horror. Truss.

    Pity. Sunak

    As a politician, to be pitied is worse than any other emotion...
    Joke is probably worse or incompetent.

    Both of which can also be attached to Rishi
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    Scott_xP said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    Sunak's Saw: 'No matter how badly a message can be presented Rishi Sunak will find a way to make it worse'.
    I was musing the other day about words matched with Prime Ministers.

    Fear. Thatcher.

    Respect. Brown.

    Horror. Truss.

    Pity. Sunak

    As a politician, to be pitied is worse than any other emotion...
    First time you have missed Boris! Was it the one word that might get you a ban?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,477
    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    isam said:

    Does this picture make it look as if Taylor Swift is about to unleash a lethal left-arm wrist-spinner? Or do I just have a one-track mind?

    https://x.com/simonrbriggs/status/1736669138792137045?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Really good left arm wrist spinners are so rare that you wonder if there is some way she could switch to a more useful career and qualify for England. It would be fun to see Lords full of Swifties.
    "These two look very comfortable against the seamers. One is loath to second guess Ben Stokes but surely it's worth giving Swift a couple of overs before tea."
    The prospect of a slow bowler called Swift is undoubtedly appealing.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    15 to 1 was jolly for the watcher, but you always felt that there was rather more than pure quizzing ability to keeping you in the game.

    I had a friend who thought she was brilliant at general knowledge, despite all evidence to the contrary. She went on 15 to 1. First to be eliminated. Then she went on the weakest link. First to be eliminated. Then she went on 100%. Came last. Admirably, none of this put even the tiniest dent in her self-confidence.
    It's the pressure of being on tv. The studio, the lights, Stewart's deep clipped voice, the sense of the world watching. Despite being a Chartered Accountant I crumbled. I knew the answers but couldn't get them out.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,531
    It looks like the ANC may finally lose its majority at the next election. Most polls are putting them at around 45%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,847

    Biden rules out UK-US trade “agreement”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/18/joe-biden-signals-he-has-no-interest-in-signing-us-uk-trade-agreement

    Vanishingly likely never to happen, since the US wants to impose crap agri standards and monopolistic copyright rules on the UK, and has no interest in a services deal where the UK had a comparative advantage.

    It was never ever on the cards, makes no sense, and not the votes for it in the US even if the UK was willing. There should be an equivalent of the serentity prayer for political parties. Fix the things that are fixable, dont chase unicorns.
    Problem is Brexit makes less-than-zero sense without one.
    And therefore... Heaven only knows what we do about it.
    As @noneoftheabove suggests, start with what is real and what is do-able.

    Among the many reasons why we MUST get rid of the government is that they have no interest in reality and spend all day gaslighting everyone.

    Labour, even if they are administratively no more competent, don’t have the burden of defending the indefensible.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,181

    ydoethur said:

    The Daily Mail reports that Sir Keir Starmer defended a dog during his time in the CPS.

    Is this what we have to expect from the Tories in the GE24 campaign, the "let's put SKS in Number 10" campaign?

    They'll certainly keep bitching.
    The country is certainly going to the dogs under the present government.
    We need to hound them from office.
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    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Reminds me of the very frustrating modern media custom to tell everyone that someone has been accused of saying something ‘offensive’ (say, on TwitterX) but not actually telling anyone what that person has said.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,616
    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I love her monologues, particularly the Michael Portillo ones. She is admittedly completely bonkers.
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    Vaguely on topic, Blackman is right.

    Constitutional theory is about 100 years behind the reality and we could really do with a modern-day Bagehot to point out that actually, yes, the people are sovereign.

    1. The principle that parliament should be elected by and is accountable to the (adult) population of the country is unchallenged, bar fringe cases.

    2. Parliament may exercise sovereignty on behalf of the people but this is not the same as actually being sovereign in its own right. Legal sovereignty is not the same as the enduring political reality that underpins constitutional practice.

    3. The principle that first-order political questions should be settled by the people themselves through referendums - in other words, that parliament doesn't have the authority or legitimacy to decide those questions for itself - is now a constitutional convention. (This is not the same as saying that all referendums involve first-order political questions).

    4. The nature of the Parliament Act, Salisbury Convention and 'mandates' in general point to the people being the fundamental source of sovereignty.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,937
    Scott_xP said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    Sunak's Saw: 'No matter how badly a message can be presented Rishi Sunak will find a way to make it worse'.
    I was musing the other day about words matched with Prime Ministers.

    Fear. Thatcher.

    Respect. Brown.

    Horror. Truss.

    Pity. Sunak

    As a politician, to be pitied is worse than any other emotion...
    Won't argue with the others, but "Respect. Brown."?

    Really?

    A man who set the dogs of Hell on any rivals, and for years fought for the PMship, then when he got it, had f-all idea what to do with it? A man who fought hos rivals within Labour more strongly then he did his enemies outside?

    Nasty. That is the word that should be associated with Brown. Nasty.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,875

    Scott_xP said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    Rishi Sunak is a Labour plant? How can anyone be this dumb, I do not understand it.

    Immigration is the achilles heel of the Tories and yet he wants to make it his mission to highlight how bad it is. He is doing nothing about the migration he can control and then to make it worse, is highlighting how his party can't handle illegal migration either.

    It is honestly baffling - but just shows him to be a bit thick.
    If in doubt, return the basic principle that Sunak Is Crap At Politics. That is almost always the explanation for whatever the day's self-own happens to be.

    The principle needs a name, like Cookie's Law. Rishi's Razor?
    Sunak's Saw: 'No matter how badly a message can be presented Rishi Sunak will find a way to make it worse'.
    I was musing the other day about words matched with Prime Ministers.

    Fear. Thatcher.

    Respect. Brown.

    Horror. Truss.

    Pity. Sunak

    As a politician, to be pitied is worse than any other emotion...
    First time you have missed Boris! Was it the one word that might get you a ban?
    I was watching a Kevin Bridges show the other night. He does a whole riff on the word which would get me banned.

    Then he suggests using the word "fanny" instead

    Or, as he puts it, "diet ****"
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,388
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    15 to 1 was jolly for the watcher, but you always felt that there was rather more than pure quizzing ability to keeping you in the game.

    I had a friend who thought she was brilliant at general knowledge, despite all evidence to the contrary. She went on 15 to 1. First to be eliminated. Then she went on the weakest link. First to be eliminated. Then she went on 100%. Came last. Admirably, none of this put even the tiniest dent in her self-confidence.
    It's the pressure of being on tv. The studio, the lights, Stewart's deep clipped voice, the sense of the world watching. Despite being a Chartered Accountant I crumbled. I knew the answers but couldn't get them out.
    "Despite being a chartered accountant, I crumbled". Words on many a tombstone.
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    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,258
    edited December 2023

    DavidL said:

    Rishi would be smart to not fight the election on the Tory record.

    So that’s exactly what he’s going to do.

    Boasting about tax cuts when taxes are at a record high. Criticising Starmer about 100k illegal refugees when legal immigrants are nearly that a month

    What could go wrong?
    The A&E '% seen within 4 hours' is telling too.

    image

    Not quite so dramatic maybe but pretty clear.
    As always with graphs/charts; look at what they're saying. In this case, why does one graph start well after the other? What happened in the earlier years?

    Not saying this doesn't show a problem; just that it's the sort of thing that always pops into my mind when I see any chart.
    Good question.

    I'm struggling in a quick search to find pre-2010 data for A&E waiting times, so I wonder where that FT graph got its data from. Was that target measured before 2003?

    There's no reason why the two graphs should have the same x-axis limits of course, they work independently.

    If, as I hope, Labour do use any of these they really need to make sure they're watertight though
    Good afternoon

    I am not posting much due to my on going health issues but I would just say that as poor as England's NHS stats are, Wales are worse and this is the responsibility of Wales Labour government

    9 weeks ago today at this time I was sent directly into A & E by my GP as a medical emergency. I was triaged at 5.30pm, had blood at 6.30pm and then my wife and I waited with 114 other patients overnight, being asked back at 3.00am for more bloods as they had made an error with those at 6.30pm

    It was 7.00am, (over 13 hours later) I first saw the A & E doctor who immediately admitted me to hospital and arranged an emergency ultrasound which confirmed a massive left thigh DVT and other issues

    I continue under the care of the hospital and three consultants, but the point I would make is that it not just an English issues, but also a Welsh and as I understand it from our family, a Scottish one which covers the political divide of Conservative, Labour and SNP

    I do not know the answer and certainly Streeting will have his work cut out to come a anywhere near a resolution for England, and as for Wales I see little prospect of improvement in the short term
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    Labour leads by 18% in our final poll of 2023, one point higher than at end of 2022.

    Westminster VI (17 Dec):

    Labour 42% (-1)
    Conservative 24% (-1)
    Liberal Democrat 11% (-2)
    Reform UK 10% (-1)
    Green 6% (+1)
    SNP 4% (+2)
    Other 2% (+1)

    Changes +/- 10 Dec
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,937
    edited December 2023
    kjh said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I love her monologues, particularly the Michael Portillo ones. She is admittedly completely bonkers.
    If you want any evidence of that, just read her book "Once more with feeling". A book with a photo captioned: "Jane Hamilton removes excess lube. Prince Charming looks on lovingly."
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,477
    Another story drops on the remarkable generosity of rich right wingers towards Clarence Thomas.
    https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-money-complaints-sparked-resignation-fears-scotus
    In early January 2000, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was at a five-star beach resort in Sea Island, Georgia, hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

    After almost a decade on the court, Thomas had grown frustrated with his financial situation, according to friends. He had recently started raising his young grandnephew, and Thomas’ wife was soliciting advice on how to handle the new expenses. The month before, the justice had borrowed $267,000 from a friend to buy a high-end RV.

    At the resort, Thomas gave a speech at an off-the-record conservative conference. He found himself seated next to a Republican member of Congress on the flight home. The two men talked, and the lawmaker left the conversation worried that Thomas might resign.

    Congress should give Supreme Court justices a pay raise, Thomas told him. If lawmakers didn’t act, “one or more justices will leave soon” — maybe in the next year...


    ..By 2019, the justices’ pay hadn’t changed beyond keeping up with inflation. But Thomas’ views had apparently transformed from two decades before. That June, during a public appearance, Thomas was asked about salaries at the court. “Oh goodness, I think it’s plenty,” Thomas responded. “My wife and I are doing fine. We don’t live extravagantly, but we are fine.”

    A few weeks later, Thomas boarded Crow’s private jet to head to Indonesia. He and his wife were off on vacation, an island cruise on Crow’s 162-foot yacht.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,937

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    The Tories are tired and need a good few years out of power.

    Having said that, I expect them to get worse before they get better: as the Tories did with IDS, or Labour with Corbyn.

    IMV, short of unexpected events (of which we have had none recently...) we are looking at three terms for Labour.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001

    kjh said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I love her monologues, particularly the Michael Portillo ones. She is admittedly completely bonkers.
    If you want any evidence of that, just read her book "Once more with feeling". A book with a photo captioned: "Jane Hamilton removes excess lube. Prince Harming looks on lovingly."
    She's won literal millions as an elite-tier poker player as well.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162
    Ghedebrav said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:
    A nice article. I absolutely love that Bryan Robson was on standby every single week. Also that Beaumont and Botham and their families used to go on holiday together.

    I used to love AQOS when I was small. It was telly - a quiz show, even - I could watch with my parents on almost equal terms. I played rugby, so always supported Bill Beaumont, but obviously Willie Carson was ace too, and so was Emlyn Hughes.

    For my tastes, it went downhill a bit after David Coleman left. I have nothing against Sue Barker, Ally McCoist, Matt Dawson or Phil Tufnell, but it always felt a bit like it was trying hard to find the laughs, rather than letting them come naturally. It didn't have to be hilarious, just pleasant and agreeable.
    Yes, my sentiments exactly. Although perhaps the laugh chasing just seems more obvious when you’re not a child anymore?

    There’s got to be space for serious quizzes where knowledge is the prize and they don’t feel the need to be funny. What have we got at the moment?

    Only Connect
    Mastermind
    University Challenge

    I like OC but Victoria Coren-Mitchell’s opening & closing monologues are so unfunny it hurts. I can barely believe they make it past the editors

    Any non Beeb serous quizzes?
    I do miss Fifteen To One. If memory serves, the ultimate winner would take home a nice relic of antiquity or similar.

    Btw, I don't consider Mastermind a serious quiz; the general knowledge round is laughably easy and whoever lets some of the specialist subjects through ('Seasons 8 through 10 of Seinfeld") needs a slap.
    I went on that, Fifteen To One. Eliminated early but I still have the photo of myself with William G Stewart. The other big thing from the day was seeing Angela Rippon in reception.
    Is it true that William G Stewart wrote all the questions himself?
    You'd love to think so. Certainly that would fit with the low budget, no frills ethos of the show. Eg there was no 'reality tv' aspect to it at all. Nobody went on 'Fifteen' to get famous. It was just a quiz, nothing more nothing less. One for the purists.
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    GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,001

    The Tories are now calling a Gove a traitor. God help us

    I mean, they aren't wrong, he'd betray basically anyone. But I take the point.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,636

    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Let me get this right, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is currently investigating eight MPs:

    Rt Hon. Colonel Bob Stewart (Con*)
    Mr Andrew Bridgen (Con*)
    Ms Virginia Crosbie (Con)
    Rt Hon. Dame Eleanor Laing (Con)
    Mr Marco Longhi (Con)
    Mr David Duguid (Con)
    Sir Bernard Jenkin (Con)
    Ms Miriam Cates (Con)

    Is there a pattern I wonder?

    (*Elected as Con, now disowned by them - too late.)

    https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/allegations-currently-under-investigation-by-the-commissioner/
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    How can Miriam Cates be accused of damaging the reputation of the Commons, when nobody knows what she’s supposed to have done?

    Something Kafkaesque about this process, even if I am hardly a natural supporter of the loonbag Ms Cates.

    Let me get this right, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is currently investigating eight MPs:

    Rt Hon. Colonel Bob Stewart (Con*)
    Mr Andrew Bridgen (Con*)
    Ms Virginia Crosbie (Con)
    Rt Hon. Dame Eleanor Laing (Con)
    Mr Marco Longhi (Con)
    Mr David Duguid (Con)
    Sir Bernard Jenkin (Con)
    Ms Miriam Cates (Con)

    Is there a pattern I wonder?

    (*Elected as Con, now disowned by them - too late.)

    https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/standards-and-financial-interests/parliamentary-commissioner-for-standards/complaints-and-investigations/allegations-currently-under-investigation-by-the-commissioner/
    To be fair if people keep voting for a party called con what do they expect?
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