Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
That is what I said....I deliberately included the passage about it not being official Labour...its a section of the Jezza cult, not Labour Party under Starmer.
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
Probably going to be fewer flags on the floor than in his day.
I dread to think to sorts of things being said on twitter right now, but I can kind of guess from this thread by the British-Lebanese journalist Oz Katerji.
I know I should just ignore it but it makes me very angry when I say that killing civilians is wrong and then idiots who don’t know the first thing about my career reply “these people don’t care when Israel does it”.
Yes I do. I cared long before you even heard of the conflict.
I’m Lebanese. I was born into a pro-Palestine family. I have spent my entire life advocating for the creation of a Palestinian state and opposing the occupation. I am frequently attacked on here for being a pro-Palestinian Muslim.
I oppose antisemitism & murdering civilians for the same reasons I support Palestinian statehood & oppose the occupation. I believe in justice, democracy and human rights. That’s the entire reason I chose to become a war journalist. It’s literally all that drives me as a person.
I’m sorry that you feel that rape and child murder is justified when the side you support does it. I don’t. It’s always wrong. I will always speak out against it, no matter who does it, no matter what it costs me.
An LSE academic was cheering on the attacks yesterday. She's a lecturer in "post colonialist studies" as if you hadn't guessed
Today she has deleted her Twitter account. I wonder if she will keep her job. I hope not. Fuck these people
That's an eloquent statement by Oz Katerji
I wonder what happened to the Free Speech absolutist Leon who abhorred cancel culture?
There is quite a difference between cancelling someone for "liking" an allegedly transphobic tweet by Ricky Gervais, and someone losing their job teaching kids because they exulted in the rape and murder of Jewish kids
So you're in favour of free speech when you agree with it.
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
There is a pro-Palestine rally in London tomorrow where we can see more of the types of people who applaud the massacre of innocent festival goers, old people at bus stops and the rape and torture of girls.
And then we'll get some guff about hate crimes......
I wonder if they will get the same treatment as the wanker who waved the dead kid at the footy? I suspect not.
I think part of the reason the authorities let such events go ahead is to gather intelligence. I assume they will have cameras galore watching the terrorism supporters and the mobile traffic to base stations will be examined to identify people who should be on a watch list.
On a weekend? The same authorities who did not even notice Shemima Begum and her mates buying one-way tickets to a war zone, because they were not looking?
The point here is that she’s right and decolonisation is an ideology committed to ethnonationalist violence and always has been. Time to exile it from the academy, media and politics (I’m not holding my breath though)
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
Probably going to be fewer flags on the floor than in his day.
I dread to think to sorts of things being said on twitter right now, but I can kind of guess from this thread by the British-Lebanese journalist Oz Katerji.
I know I should just ignore it but it makes me very angry when I say that killing civilians is wrong and then idiots who don’t know the first thing about my career reply “these people don’t care when Israel does it”.
Yes I do. I cared long before you even heard of the conflict.
I’m Lebanese. I was born into a pro-Palestine family. I have spent my entire life advocating for the creation of a Palestinian state and opposing the occupation. I am frequently attacked on here for being a pro-Palestinian Muslim.
I oppose antisemitism & murdering civilians for the same reasons I support Palestinian statehood & oppose the occupation. I believe in justice, democracy and human rights. That’s the entire reason I chose to become a war journalist. It’s literally all that drives me as a person.
I’m sorry that you feel that rape and child murder is justified when the side you support does it. I don’t. It’s always wrong. I will always speak out against it, no matter who does it, no matter what it costs me.
An LSE academic was cheering on the attacks yesterday. She's a lecturer in "post colonialist studies" as if you hadn't guessed
Today she has deleted her Twitter account. I wonder if she will keep her job. I hope not. Fuck these people
That's an eloquent statement by Oz Katerji
I wonder what happened to the Free Speech absolutist Leon who abhorred cancel culture?
There is quite a difference between cancelling someone for "liking" an allegedly transphobic tweet by Ricky Gervais, and someone losing their job teaching kids because they exulted in the rape and murder of Jewish kids
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
Probably going to be fewer flags on the floor than in his day.
I dread to think to sorts of things being said on twitter right now, but I can kind of guess from this thread by the British-Lebanese journalist Oz Katerji.
I know I should just ignore it but it makes me very angry when I say that killing civilians is wrong and then idiots who don’t know the first thing about my career reply “these people don’t care when Israel does it”.
Yes I do. I cared long before you even heard of the conflict.
I’m Lebanese. I was born into a pro-Palestine family. I have spent my entire life advocating for the creation of a Palestinian state and opposing the occupation. I am frequently attacked on here for being a pro-Palestinian Muslim.
I oppose antisemitism & murdering civilians for the same reasons I support Palestinian statehood & oppose the occupation. I believe in justice, democracy and human rights. That’s the entire reason I chose to become a war journalist. It’s literally all that drives me as a person.
I’m sorry that you feel that rape and child murder is justified when the side you support does it. I don’t. It’s always wrong. I will always speak out against it, no matter who does it, no matter what it costs me.
An LSE academic was cheering on the attacks yesterday. She's a lecturer in "post colonialist studies" as if you hadn't guessed
Today she has deleted her Twitter account. I wonder if she will keep her job. I hope not. Fuck these people
That's an eloquent statement by Oz Katerji
I wonder what happened to the Free Speech absolutist Leon who abhorred cancel culture?
There is quite a difference between cancelling someone for "liking" an allegedly transphobic tweet by Ricky Gervais, and someone losing their job teaching kids because they exulted in the rape and murder of Jewish kids
They teach kids at LSE?
In terms of mental age, yes
[spoken as a true alumnus of the Godless College of Gower Street]
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
Probably going to be fewer flags on the floor than in his day.
I dread to think to sorts of things being said on twitter right now, but I can kind of guess from this thread by the British-Lebanese journalist Oz Katerji.
I know I should just ignore it but it makes me very angry when I say that killing civilians is wrong and then idiots who don’t know the first thing about my career reply “these people don’t care when Israel does it”.
Yes I do. I cared long before you even heard of the conflict.
I’m Lebanese. I was born into a pro-Palestine family. I have spent my entire life advocating for the creation of a Palestinian state and opposing the occupation. I am frequently attacked on here for being a pro-Palestinian Muslim.
I oppose antisemitism & murdering civilians for the same reasons I support Palestinian statehood & oppose the occupation. I believe in justice, democracy and human rights. That’s the entire reason I chose to become a war journalist. It’s literally all that drives me as a person.
I’m sorry that you feel that rape and child murder is justified when the side you support does it. I don’t. It’s always wrong. I will always speak out against it, no matter who does it, no matter what it costs me.
An LSE academic was cheering on the attacks yesterday. She's a lecturer in "post colonialist studies" as if you hadn't guessed
Today she has deleted her Twitter account. I wonder if she will keep her job. I hope not. Fuck these people
That's an eloquent statement by Oz Katerji
I wonder what happened to the Free Speech absolutist Leon who abhorred cancel culture?
There is quite a difference between cancelling someone for "liking" an allegedly transphobic tweet by Ricky Gervais, and someone losing their job teaching kids because they exulted in the rape and murder of Jewish kids
They teach kids at LSE?
In terms of mental age, yes
[spoken as a true alumnus of the Godless College of Gower Street]
I'm sure there used to be a poster on here a few years back who applied different age criteria to girls in Thailand.
DavidL - Perhaps you missed my comment yesterday about one possible reason for the Israeli intelligence failure: Edward Snowden.
Edward Jay Epstein concludes that Snowden revealed terrorist fighting programs that the US used, and shared with our allies. And, that Snowden revealed British and Israeli secrets, as well as ours. (I assume everyone understands that these revelations probably went from Russia to Iran, and from there to Hamas, and other terrorist organizations.)
If true, that doesn't absolve Netanyahu's government of responsibility; they should have restored more of their intelligence capabilities, by now.
This is a video with a voiceover generated by elevenlabs.io . It is based on the voice of the actor Michael Ironside. it sounds exactly like him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0kbNDaenjk
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
It is the Corbynites who faked that audio of Starmer, however
The audio has now beem exposed as almost-certainly fake, and comes from a dude who has a history of Starmer-related fakery. And he's a Corbynite
So the Jezzbollah himself may have waned in salience, but his apostles still stalk the money changers of New New Labour
I've not seen conclusive evidence that the audio is fake. I have seen "important people" TELL us it is fake, I've also seen unknown randoms on Twitter - who claim to be audio experts - say it is real
Which to believe? Neither?
This really does encapsulate our contemporary problem. AI Fakery colliding with politics. Maybe we will never know if Sir Kir Royale Starmer says "fuck sake you fucking moron fuck off to fucksitan with a fuck-bucket of fucks" ALL THE TIME
Personally, I'd quite like to know. And conclusive proof, either way, would be welcome
That's part of the problem here. Does anyone believe in the coming years of AI generated fakery that releasing concrete proof (whatever thay might be) would convince enough people who want to believe it?
Show some technical analysis that show's the thing is generated, or both instances of "F*ck's sake" are identical in every way in a manner human beings just cannot manage, and someone will still say, "Well, can we be sure though?".
Somewhat related - there was a recent paper where some researchers had been looking at all the proposed 'AI Watermarking' systems from the like of Meta, Microsoft, Google etc. And of course managed to break them all.
But then also reversed things and managed to add 'AI Watermarks' to content that had been hand-created by humans which caused it to be flagged by the likes of Instagram.
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
That is what I said....I deliberately included the passage about it not being official Labour...its a section of the Jezza cult, not Labour Party under Starmer.
It wasn't a section of the Labour Party under Corbyn, either.
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
It is the Corbynites who faked that audio of Starmer, however
The audio has now beem exposed as almost-certainly fake, and comes from a dude who has a history of Starmer-related fakery. And he's a Corbynite
So the Jezzbollah himself may have waned in salience, but his apostles still stalk the money changers of New New Labour
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
That is what I said....I deliberately included the passage about it not being official Labour...its a section of the Jezza cult, not Labour Party under Starmer.
It wasn't a section of the Labour Party under Corbyn, either.
I didn't say it was...I said it was part of the Corbyn Cult.
DavidL - Perhaps you missed my comment yesterday about one possible reason for the Israeli intelligence failure: Edward Snowden.
Edward Jay Epstein concludes that Snowden revealed terrorist fighting programs that the US used, and shared with our allies. And, that Snowden revealed British and Israeli secrets, as well as ours. (I assume everyone understands that these revelations probably went from Russia to Iran, and from there to Hamas, and other terrorist organizations.)
If true, that doesn't absolve Netanyahu's government of responsibility; they should have restored more of their intelligence capabilities, by now.
I read that but didn't really follow it. Snowden was arrested 10 years ago in 2013 and much of his damage would have been earlier. No doubt his disclosure of techniques resulted in much better internet security by terrorists and possibly the loss of some sources but a decade is forever in that technology.
A lot of knock on effects of the attacks on Israel to come in the next few weeks and months.
Firstly, looks like Ukraine is shafted. GOP reps already looking to make any spending commitments prioritise Israel at the expense of Ukraine. Russia is making sure its propagandists are amplifying this - it’s the let’s cancel x and use the money to fund y tactic for the US right.
Second, probably another refugee crisis for Europe to brace for, especially if Egypt is unwelcoming to Gaza Palestinians. And it’ll be politically toxic in Europe given the terrorist origins of what’s about to happen.
Finally, the usual oil price response, just in time for Boreal winter. Depends how wide any conflict spreads.
US support for Ukraine has been waning and has become a completely partisan issue, already suffering, and now there is a massive distraction event and situation much closer to many of their hearts.
Putin will have been dreaming for a scenario like this. The worst people always find a way to prosper.
It's dead easy for the administration to link Ukraine and this attack in Israel as both being aided by Iran. Then you say funding Israel and Ukraine is part of fighting a common enemy. It also happens to be broadly true.
Wouldn’t want to be working in that Iranian factory that makes the Shahed drones at the moment. Several countries will be eyeing that place up as a target.
They can eye it up all they like but its 200km inland from the Gulf at Isfahan so there's only one country that has the capability to flatten it. I don't think JRB wants a war with Iran in an election year.
I saw Top Gun: Maverick, in and out no problem, no fuss.
The way these cinema scenes imprint themselves on our consciousness. It was exactly the mental picture I got when I read the original post.
And of course that scene was itself a direct copy from Star Wars and the destruction of the Death Star, virtually shot by shot.
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
It is the Corbynites who faked that audio of Starmer, however
The audio has now beem exposed as almost-certainly fake, and comes from a dude who has a history of Starmer-related fakery. And he's a Corbynite
So the Jezzbollah himself may have waned in salience, but his apostles still stalk the money changers of New New Labour
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
It is the Corbynites who faked that audio of Starmer, however
The audio has now beem exposed as almost-certainly fake, and comes from a dude who has a history of Starmer-related fakery. And he's a Corbynite
So the Jezzbollah himself may have waned in salience, but his apostles still stalk the money changers of New New Labour
Er... racist post surely. Mods?
You what?
I am saying Jezbollah is the Jezziah to his disciples, which is what he is. Give it a rest
Anyway... the world is going to hell in a hand-cart but (or maybe and) it's 23.4°C here in Dorset and we're about to enjoy drinks on the terrace with neighbours. In October.
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
It is the Corbynites who faked that audio of Starmer, however
The audio has now beem exposed as almost-certainly fake, and comes from a dude who has a history of Starmer-related fakery. And he's a Corbynite
So the Jezzbollah himself may have waned in salience, but his apostles still stalk the money changers of New New Labour
Er... racist post surely. Mods?
You what?
I am saying Jezbollah is the Jezziah to his disciples, which is what he is. Give it a rest
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
It is the Corbynites who faked that audio of Starmer, however
The audio has now beem exposed as almost-certainly fake, and comes from a dude who has a history of Starmer-related fakery. And he's a Corbynite
So the Jezzbollah himself may have waned in salience, but his apostles still stalk the money changers of New New Labour
Er... racist post surely. Mods?
How on earth do you work that out ?
You think we can't spot who Leon's referring to with 'the money changers of New New Labour'?
As Stuartinromford notes there are at a practical level only a few types of basic campaign pitch available to any government or opposition. I'd suggest in fact only two, not three ("Time for a change" and "Don't risk it", with the latter just modulated depending on if there is something positive to say at all).
The problem is I think after a certain number of years you actually get reduced even further to only one, "Don't risk it". "Time for a change" might work on a specific policy issue, like settling the Brexit question where frankly the whole situation was a confused mess, but outside very broad matters like that to use it means you agree things are going badly, and thus admitting you've done a bad job, even if you try to blame others, since you cannot credibly claim you needed more time to change the things left over from the last lot.
So the choice of that as a direction is very telling, since it means the government believes it cannot defend its record, and that it is preferable to disassociate from its own past actions, despite that being on paper a much trickier thing to argue.
The thing is there no coherent story to the Tories time in government for the past thirteen years. It's why it's so hard for them to defend their record, even though the economy is arguably in a much better state than in 1992 (employment is higher, fewer repossessions, but inflation has taken a high toll on real wages).
In 1992 they could tell a story about turning the country around after the last Labour government, but there's been so much disorder in government since 2016 that they can't put such a story together. Five Prime Ministers in the last seven and a half years is chaotic and disjointed.
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
It is the Corbynites who faked that audio of Starmer, however
The audio has now beem exposed as almost-certainly fake, and comes from a dude who has a history of Starmer-related fakery. And he's a Corbynite
So the Jezzbollah himself may have waned in salience, but his apostles still stalk the money changers of New New Labour
This is a video with a voiceover generated by elevenlabs.io . It is based on the voice of the actor Michael Ironside. it sounds exactly like him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0kbNDaenjk
None of these voices are real. As I have pointed out over the past weeks, we are already in a world where recorded verbal evidence is not sufficient.
Montgomery seems to have flashes of an American accent. Did he actually sound like that - some artefact of his Irish heritage perhaps - or was the AI just a bit crap?
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
It is the Corbynites who faked that audio of Starmer, however
The audio has now beem exposed as almost-certainly fake, and comes from a dude who has a history of Starmer-related fakery. And he's a Corbynite
So the Jezzbollah himself may have waned in salience, but his apostles still stalk the money changers of New New Labour
Er... racist post surely. Mods?
You what?
I am saying Jezbollah is the Jezziah to his disciples, which is what he is. Give it a rest
Who are the money-changers of New New Labour?
The people who got their tables overturned by the Jezziah, sorry Messiah
If you are somehow trying to construe my remark as anti-Semitic (I mean, groan) then it is also Islamophhobic, because I said Jezbollah, and probably anti-Scottish, in a way no one has quite discerned yet but they surely will
Alternatively, you are talking shite. Go outside and have a drink
Israel declares war for the first time since 1973. The National Security Council approved a state of war in accordance with Article 40 of the Basic Government Law."
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
It is the Corbynites who faked that audio of Starmer, however
The audio has now beem exposed as almost-certainly fake, and comes from a dude who has a history of Starmer-related fakery. And he's a Corbynite
So the Jezzbollah himself may have waned in salience, but his apostles still stalk the money changers of New New Labour
Er... racist post surely. Mods?
You what?
I am saying Jezbollah is the Jezziah to his disciples, which is what he is. Give it a rest
Who are the money-changers of New New Labour?
The people who got their tables overturned by the Jezziah, sorry Messiah
If you are somehow trying to construe my remark as anti-Semitic (I mean, groan) then it is also Islamophhobic, because I said Jezbollah, and probably anti-Scottish, in a way no one has quite discerned yet but they surely will
Alternatively, you ae talking shite. Go outside and have a drink
Kind of like how the Hamas outrages will somehow be caused by an unholy alliance of Corbyn’s allotment, Humza’s tweets and the vegan menu in the LSE canteen.
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
You say Jezza cult in action but even the Daily Mail says it is not linked to Labour, and only that it "sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader". It's a bit weak.
Too many people invested in resurrecting/constructing bogeyman Jezza, including quite a few in Lab. It is laughably weak though.
It's because of Jezza that we got so few seats in 2019.
As Stuartinromford notes there are at a practical level only a few types of basic campaign pitch available to any government or opposition. I'd suggest in fact only two, not three ("Time for a change" and "Don't risk it", with the latter just modulated depending on if there is something positive to say at all).
The problem is I think after a certain number of years you actually get reduced even further to only one, "Don't risk it". "Time for a change" might work on a specific policy issue, like settling the Brexit question where frankly the whole situation was a confused mess, but outside very broad matters like that to use it means you agree things are going badly, and thus admitting you've done a bad job, even if you try to blame others, since you cannot credibly claim you needed more time to change the things left over from the last lot.
So the choice of that as a direction is very telling, since it means the government believes it cannot defend its record, and that it is preferable to disassociate from its own past actions, despite that being on paper a much trickier thing to argue.
The thing is there no coherent story to the Tories time in government for the past thirteen years. It's why it's so hard for them to defend their record, even though the economy is arguably in a much better state than in 1992 (employment is higher, fewer repossessions, but inflation has taken a high toll on real wages).
In 1992 they could tell a story about turning the country around after the last Labour government, but there's been so much disorder in government since 2016 that they can't put such a story together. Five Prime Ministers in the last seven and a half years is chaotic and disjointed.
Making oldies richer Pouring money into the NHS Full employment for northerners
A problem being that many Conservatives don't approve of the last two items.
This is a video with a voiceover generated by elevenlabs.io . It is based on the voice of the actor Michael Ironside. it sounds exactly like him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0kbNDaenjk
None of these voices are real. As I have pointed out over the past weeks, we are already in a world where recorded verbal evidence is not sufficient.
The state-of-the-art for voice synthesis is completely indistinguishable from real people. It's far beyond what people are used to from the Google Assistant, Siri, or Alexa. You can A/B test it and people can no longer figure out what is a recording and what is 100% synthetic. It doesn't seem to have moved out of the labs yet, probably it's a bit too computationally expensive for client devices right now.
When you combine the best synthesis (so it sounds real, not human-like but indistinguishable from a real person) with voice cloning (so it sounds like a particular person) and sophisticated language models (so it speaks like a real person and makes sense) we will soon be in a place where unless you can see someone you can no longer be confident that you are talking to a real person.
DavidL - Perhaps you missed my comment yesterday about one possible reason for the Israeli intelligence failure: Edward Snowden.
Edward Jay Epstein concludes that Snowden revealed terrorist fighting programs that the US used, and shared with our allies. And, that Snowden revealed British and Israeli secrets, as well as ours. (I assume everyone understands that these revelations probably went from Russia to Iran, and from there to Hamas, and other terrorist organizations.)
If true, that doesn't absolve Netanyahu's government of responsibility; they should have restored more of their intelligence capabilities, by now.
That really doesn't pass the sniff test, though. No doubt Snowden did some serious damage to US intelligence, but it's not really plausible that it has a significant effect on present day Israeli surveillance of their neighbour.
This is a video with a voiceover generated by elevenlabs.io . It is based on the voice of the actor Michael Ironside. it sounds exactly like him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0kbNDaenjk
None of these voices are real. As I have pointed out over the past weeks, we are already in a world where recorded verbal evidence is not sufficient.
The state-of-the-art for voice synthesis is completely indistinguishable from real people. It's far beyond what people are used to from the Google Assistant, Siri, or Alexa. You can A/B test it and people can no longer figure out what is a recording and what is 100% synthetic. It doesn't seem to have moved out of the labs yet, probably it's a bit too computationally expensive for client devices right now.
When you combine the best synthesis (so it sounds real, not human-like but indistinguishable from a real person) with voice cloning (so it sounds like a particular person) and sophisticated language models (so it speaks like a real person and makes sense) we will soon be in a place where unless you can see someone you can no longer be confident that you are talking to a real person.
Then add it to Zuckerbeg's latest iteration of the Metaverse, where he can project a 3D version of someone far away (or dead, or never existed) into your room, and it will appear as if they are really there, in front of you, with all their tics and wrinkes and laughter lines, and..... wow
On that note, I must to the shops. The lovely sunshine demands a delicate fish dinner, in its honour
DavidL - According to Epstein, several anti-terrorist programs had worked for years, until Snowden's revelations. I don't see any technical reason they couldn't have continued to work. (NSA had even managed, to some extent, to penetrate Communist China, which has far greater cyber abilities than Hamas.)
And we know that his revelations also included the names of some of our agents in hsotile nations.
But, get a copy of the book and read chapter 29, 'The "War on Terror" After Snowden', so you can decide for yourself.
(Reminder: I'll repeat what I said before: I am arguing that Snowden's revelations are one possible reason for the Israeli intelligence failure. And I understand why that possible explanation may be awkward for readers of the Guardian.)
This is a video with a voiceover generated by elevenlabs.io . It is based on the voice of the actor Michael Ironside. it sounds exactly like him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0kbNDaenjk
None of these voices are real. As I have pointed out over the past weeks, we are already in a world where recorded verbal evidence is not sufficient.
The state-of-the-art for voice synthesis is completely indistinguishable from real people. It's far beyond what people are used to from the Google Assistant, Siri, or Alexa. You can A/B test it and people can no longer figure out what is a recording and what is 100% synthetic. It doesn't seem to have moved out of the labs yet, probably it's a bit too computationally expensive for client devices right now.
When you combine the best synthesis (so it sounds real, not human-like but indistinguishable from a real person) with voice cloning (so it sounds like a particular person) and sophisticated language models (so it speaks like a real person and makes sense) we will soon be in a place where unless you can see someone you can no longer be confident that you are talking to a real person.
Indeed. In the depths of their depression, a hypothetical person who isn't me used elevenlabs to get a girl who broke up with him earlier this year to talk to them. The results, so my friend says, were quite indistinguishable from the real thing, and considerably cheaper than the 0909 numbers.
Combine that with a text-to-speech LoRA of the x thousand or so text messages my friend has from his ex, and you have a very creepy replica. (*Luckily, my friend did not go this far, but it's hypothetically possible)
Real voice synthesis is here, and you only need about 60 seconds of decent quality audio to replicate... everything. Elevenlabs was the first, but much like dall-e existed for about 5 minutes as a paid product before the open source stable diffusion ate its lunch, if you want to create anyone's voice, you can do it in about 15 minutes from watching the tutorial to installing the package to exporting the audio file.
You also need about 100k of someone's words to create a convincing duplicate of them in a LoRA. 1m words is much, much better, but 100k is close enough for casual fidelity. Most PB'ers have probably contributed more than 1m words to this site, so easy to replicate.
Anyway... the world is going to hell in a hand-cart but (or maybe and) it's 23.4°C here in Dorset and we're about to enjoy drinks on the terrace with neighbours. In October.
Amazing weather.
T shirt and shorts in East Leics and getting overheated doing some tidying in the garden. It isn't right for this time of year.
Climate change isn't all bad, but it doesn't make up for a rotten wet August.
The problem with 'Long Term Decisions for a Brighter Future', apart from its prolix turgidity, is that it's the exact opposite of what he's actually doing.
Doing the opposite of what you say is a common enough problem that I'd suggest the poorness of the slogan may in fact be more notable.
Who can forget "You can only be sure with the Conservatives"?
Sure that you'll get shafted. Sure that you'll get lied to. Sure that they'll line their mates' pockets.
Strong and stable, is a more recent equally egregious example
A million people migrated here in the last two years under the Conservatives, so not an unreasonable statement. Of whom less than 10% arrived via small boats etc.
DavidL - According to Epstein, several anti-terrorist programs had worked for years, until Snowden's revelations. I don't see any technical reason they couldn't have continued to work. (NSA had even managed, to some extent, to penetrate Communist China, which has far greater cyber abilities than Hamas.)
And we know that his revelations also included the names of some of our agents in hsotile nations.
But, get a copy of the book and read chapter 29, 'The "War on Terror" After Snowden', so you can decide for yourself.
(Reminder: I'll repeat what I said before: I am arguing that Snowden's revelations are one possible reason for the Israeli intelligence failure. And I understand why that possible explanation may be awkward for readers of the Guardian.)
It is a little dismaying how often commenters here ignore qualifiers, if they find the general argument in a comment distasteful. This happens even when the qualifier is repeated.
Hamas is APPLAUDED by activists at Labour conference fringe event after killing hundreds of Israelis as Palestinian activist says dead terrorists have 'ascended to martyrdom'
More than 100 people attended the event at The World Transformed, a left wing festival that is not officially linked to Labour but which sprang up while Jeremy Corbyn was Labour leader.
Probably going to be fewer flags on the floor than in his day.
I dread to think to sorts of things being said on twitter right now, but I can kind of guess from this thread by the British-Lebanese journalist Oz Katerji.
I know I should just ignore it but it makes me very angry when I say that killing civilians is wrong and then idiots who don’t know the first thing about my career reply “these people don’t care when Israel does it”.
Yes I do. I cared long before you even heard of the conflict.
I’m Lebanese. I was born into a pro-Palestine family. I have spent my entire life advocating for the creation of a Palestinian state and opposing the occupation. I am frequently attacked on here for being a pro-Palestinian Muslim.
I oppose antisemitism & murdering civilians for the same reasons I support Palestinian statehood & oppose the occupation. I believe in justice, democracy and human rights. That’s the entire reason I chose to become a war journalist. It’s literally all that drives me as a person.
I’m sorry that you feel that rape and child murder is justified when the side you support does it. I don’t. It’s always wrong. I will always speak out against it, no matter who does it, no matter what it costs me.
An LSE academic was cheering on the attacks yesterday. She's a lecturer in "post colonialist studies" as if you hadn't guessed
Today she has deleted her Twitter account. I wonder if she will keep her job. I hope not. Fuck these people
That's an eloquent statement by Oz Katerji
I wonder what happened to the Free Speech absolutist Leon who abhorred cancel culture?
There is quite a difference between cancelling someone for "liking" an allegedly transphobic tweet by Ricky Gervais, and someone losing their job teaching kids because they exulted in the rape and murder of Jewish kids
So you're in favour of free speech when you agree with it.
Noted with thanks.
It’s amazing how often you see people say or post things along the lines of “you can’t disagree with that, it’s just free speech”
The point being, of course, that free speech embraces the right to disagree with stuff.
I'm sitting outside, in shorts and a shirt, eating lunch, a third of the way through October, for the second year in a row. Madness.
You're right. Lunch at 4.15 ??
Lunch should be taken at 1pm, and tea at 3:40pm.
That only applies if there are ladies present. In their absence a good lunch can last well into the next day.
Oh indeed. If you’re simply watching, rather than participating in the test match, then lunch starts at midday and finishes whenever you stagger out of the place looking for a taxi.
My flint agent has teenage sons who love Andrew Tate (to her despair). He’s been pro Islamist for while, or so she tells me. They are proper god fearing family men and so on
I'm sitting outside, in shorts and a shirt, eating lunch, a third of the way through October, for the second year in a row. Madness.
You're right. Lunch at 4.15 ??
Lunch should be taken at 1pm, and tea at 3:40pm.
That only applies if there are ladies present. In their absence a good lunch can last well into the next day.
Surely even if it's raining, close of play will intervene.
Lunch is far too important for anything other than the next lunch to intervene. By definition a lunch can't go much beyond 24 hours, as nobody worth mentioning doesn't have a lunch the next day. And you can't cancel a lunch appointment - ever!
"Consider again that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar", every "supreme leader", every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand. It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known..."
I'm sitting outside, in shorts and a shirt, eating lunch, a third of the way through October, for the second year in a row. Madness.
You're right. Lunch at 4.15 ??
Lunch should be taken at 1pm, and tea at 3:40pm.
That only applies if there are ladies present. In their absence a good lunch can last well into the next day.
Indeed.
*burps*
My Lord, the port is with you.
I once co-hosted a party which somehow lasted three days. People woke up on the first morning-after-the-spectacular-night-before, variously scattered around our building in Red Lion Square, and in the gardens of the Square itself. We found people sleeping in the stairwell, in cupboards, etc. Then they immediately started partying again, and so it went on, marvellously
My flint agent has teenage sons who love Andrew Tate (to her despair). He’s been pro Islamist for while, or so she tells me. They are proper god fearing family men and so on
Unfortunately he has become emblematic of the pushback against so-called "toxic" masculinity. He's effectively the Che Guevara Poster for disaffected teens to early twenties completely ignored by their female counterparts, due to the globalization of dating practices, documented numerous times (did you know, for example, men outumber women on tinder by 10 to 1? That's not swipe, that's outnumber. Before the swiping).
Men got pushed just so far, got told they were such pieces of shit, that they started rallying around genuinely toxic figures like Tate. I have no time for Tate or his compadres, but for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Tate is the reaction to men being told they're toxic just for being men.
My flint agent has teenage sons who love Andrew Tate (to her despair). He’s been pro Islamist for while, or so she tells me. They are proper god fearing family men and so on
Unfortunately he has become emblematic of the pushback against so-called "toxic" masculinity. He's effectively the Che Guevara Poster for disaffected teens to early twenties completely ignored by their female counterparts, due to the globalization of dating practices, documented numerous times (did you know, for example, men outumber women on tinder by 10 to 1? That's not swipe, that's outnumber. Before the swiping).
Men got pushed just so far, got told they were such pieces of shit, that they started rallying around genuinely toxic figures like Tate. I have no time for Tate or his compadres, but for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Tate is the reaction to men being told they're toxic just for being men.
Yes indeed
The lad mags of the 90s were a reaction to the feminism of the 80s, which said: Looking at naked women is evil, liking football is boorish, everything male is dull or sexist, and on and on (and on)
So the lad mags came out and said: Er, actually, we like looking at bare breasts (we're made that way), football is fun, drinking beer with your mates is a laugh, going to dangerous places and shooting things is a blast
Then the lad mags really DID get boorish (at the beginning they were genuinely witty and fresh) and so the pendulum swang again
And now here we are once more. A decade of everyone telling men they are shit and useless and maleness is poison, and we have the inevitable reaction: Andrew Tate
The problem this time is that the pendulum swings are much more vicious and extreme; Loaded magazine was positively benign compared to Tate
My flint agent has teenage sons who love Andrew Tate (to her despair). He’s been pro Islamist for while, or so she tells me. They are proper god fearing family men and so on
Unfortunately he has become emblematic of the pushback against so-called "toxic" masculinity. He's effectively the Che Guevara Poster for disaffected teens to early twenties completely ignored by their female counterparts, due to the globalization of dating practices, documented numerous times (did you know, for example, men outumber women on tinder by 10 to 1? That's not swipe, that's outnumber. Before the swiping).
Men got pushed just so far, got told they were such pieces of shit, that they started rallying around genuinely toxic figures like Tate. I have no time for Tate or his compadres, but for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Tate is the reaction to men being told they're toxic just for being men.
Yes indeed
The lad mags of the 90s were a reaction to the feminism of the 80s, which said: Looking at naked women is evil, liking football is boorish, everything male is dull or sexist, and on and on (and on)
So the lad mags came out and said: Er, actually, we like looking at bare breasts (we're made that way), football is fun, drinking beer with your mates is a laugh, going to dangerous places and shooting things is a blast
Then the lad mags really DID get boorish (at the beginning they were genuinely witty and fresh) and so the pendulum swang again
And now here we are once more. A decade of everyone telling men they are shit and useless and maleness is poison, and we have the inevitable reaction: Andrew Tate
The problem this time is that the pendulum swings are much more vicious and extreme; Loaded magazine was positively benign compared to Tate
Tate is also a Muslim, and that fits with his attitude to Woke things like Feminism etc.
A lot of knock on effects of the attacks on Israel to come in the next few weeks and months.
Firstly, looks like Ukraine is shafted. GOP reps already looking to make any spending commitments prioritise Israel at the expense of Ukraine. Russia is making sure its propagandists are amplifying this - it’s the let’s cancel x and use the money to fund y tactic for the US right.
Second, probably another refugee crisis for Europe to brace for, especially if Egypt is unwelcoming to Gaza Palestinians. And it’ll be politically toxic in Europe given the terrorist origins of what’s about to happen.
Finally, the usual oil price response, just in time for Boreal winter. Depends how wide any conflict spreads.
US support for Ukraine has been waning and has become a completely partisan issue, already suffering, and now there is a massive distraction event and situation much closer to many of their hearts.
Putin will have been dreaming for a scenario like this. The worst people always find a way to prosper.
It's dead easy for the administration to link Ukraine and this attack in Israel as both being aided by Iran. Then you say funding Israel and Ukraine is part of fighting a common enemy. It also happens to be broadly true.
Wouldn’t want to be working in that Iranian factory that makes the Shahed drones at the moment. Several countries will be eyeing that place up as a target.
They can eye it up all they like but its 200km inland from the Gulf at Isfahan so there's only one country that has the capability to flatten it. I don't think JRB wants a war with Iran in an election year.
You saying Israel doesn't have the capability? I think Israeli capabilities are going to see many exceeded stretch goals in coming weeks.
My flint agent has teenage sons who love Andrew Tate (to her despair). He’s been pro Islamist for while, or so she tells me. They are proper god fearing family men and so on
Unfortunately he has become emblematic of the pushback against so-called "toxic" masculinity. He's effectively the Che Guevara Poster for disaffected teens to early twenties completely ignored by their female counterparts, due to the globalization of dating practices, documented numerous times (did you know, for example, men outumber women on tinder by 10 to 1? That's not swipe, that's outnumber. Before the swiping).
Men got pushed just so far, got told they were such pieces of shit, that they started rallying around genuinely toxic figures like Tate. I have no time for Tate or his compadres, but for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Tate is the reaction to men being told they're toxic just for being men.
Yes indeed
The lad mags of the 90s were a reaction to the feminism of the 80s, which said: Looking at naked women is evil, liking football is boorish, everything male is dull or sexist, and on and on (and on)
So the lad mags came out and said: Er, actually, we like looking at bare breasts (we're made that way), football is fun, drinking beer with your mates is a laugh, going to dangerous places and shooting things is a blast
Then the lad mags really DID get boorish (at the beginning they were genuinely witty and fresh) and so the pendulum swang again
And now here we are once more. A decade of everyone telling men they are shit and useless and maleness is poison, and we have the inevitable reaction: Andrew Tate
The problem this time is that the pendulum swings are much more vicious and extreme; Loaded magazine was positively benign compared to Tate
Indeed. Don't know if I've mentioned it before but I have a collection of FHMs from the mid 90s to the early 2000s (acquired through ebay, not from my teens). You can see the editorial line go from fun, ironic, nudge nudge wink wink, to full on, get yer tits out for the lads by the end. And yet you can look at all that stuff now and go, well, it's positively nothing next to the likes of Tate.
If you can still find it, I'd recommend trying to find his "PHD" aka "Pimpin' hoes degree" he released before he got famous, in which he lays out *exactly* what he is. A small time grifter with a low budget camera. He presents a very polished image on social media today, but I think even the dumbest 16 year old would see him for the grifter he is. That is what I would show to your publisher's kids.
One thing I will say in his favour though, his chess.com rating back in the days when we had mutual friends was 1600 (about 200 more than mine) and into "properly good territory" so he's not as dumb as he looks. I've worked my ass off for years and never got that high on a 10 min game, let alone a 5 min game.
A lot of knock on effects of the attacks on Israel to come in the next few weeks and months.
Firstly, looks like Ukraine is shafted. GOP reps already looking to make any spending commitments prioritise Israel at the expense of Ukraine. Russia is making sure its propagandists are amplifying this - it’s the let’s cancel x and use the money to fund y tactic for the US right.
Second, probably another refugee crisis for Europe to brace for, especially if Egypt is unwelcoming to Gaza Palestinians. And it’ll be politically toxic in Europe given the terrorist origins of what’s about to happen.
Finally, the usual oil price response, just in time for Boreal winter. Depends how wide any conflict spreads.
US support for Ukraine has been waning and has become a completely partisan issue, already suffering, and now there is a massive distraction event and situation much closer to many of their hearts.
Putin will have been dreaming for a scenario like this. The worst people always find a way to prosper.
It's dead easy for the administration to link Ukraine and this attack in Israel as both being aided by Iran. Then you say funding Israel and Ukraine is part of fighting a common enemy. It also happens to be broadly true.
Wouldn’t want to be working in that Iranian factory that makes the Shahed drones at the moment. Several countries will be eyeing that place up as a target.
They can eye it up all they like but its 200km inland from the Gulf at Isfahan so there's only one country that has the capability to flatten it. I don't think JRB wants a war with Iran in an election year.
You saying Israel doesn't have the capability? I think Israeli capabilities are going to see many exceeded stretch goals in coming weeks.
Israeli capability is going to start to look a lot like Ukranian capability, in very short order.
My flint agent has teenage sons who love Andrew Tate (to her despair). He’s been pro Islamist for while, or so she tells me. They are proper god fearing family men and so on
Unfortunately he has become emblematic of the pushback against so-called "toxic" masculinity. He's effectively the Che Guevara Poster for disaffected teens to early twenties completely ignored by their female counterparts, due to the globalization of dating practices, documented numerous times (did you know, for example, men outumber women on tinder by 10 to 1? That's not swipe, that's outnumber. Before the swiping).
Men got pushed just so far, got told they were such pieces of shit, that they started rallying around genuinely toxic figures like Tate. I have no time for Tate or his compadres, but for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Tate is the reaction to men being told they're toxic just for being men.
Yes indeed
The lad mags of the 90s were a reaction to the feminism of the 80s, which said: Looking at naked women is evil, liking football is boorish, everything male is dull or sexist, and on and on (and on)
So the lad mags came out and said: Er, actually, we like looking at bare breasts (we're made that way), football is fun, drinking beer with your mates is a laugh, going to dangerous places and shooting things is a blast
Then the lad mags really DID get boorish (at the beginning they were genuinely witty and fresh) and so the pendulum swang again
And now here we are once more. A decade of everyone telling men they are shit and useless and maleness is poison, and we have the inevitable reaction: Andrew Tate
The problem this time is that the pendulum swings are much more vicious and extreme; Loaded magazine was positively benign compared to Tate
Or alternatively: Tate offers an 'easy' answer to the concerns of idiots. Being nice to women and others is actually quite hard, especially if you are a shit. Working hard at school and getting a better job is hard.
Easier just to take what you want.
Charlatans have sold easy answers since time immemorial. Tate is just continuing in the same manner (or, lack of manners...)
My flint agent has teenage sons who love Andrew Tate (to her despair). He’s been pro Islamist for while, or so she tells me. They are proper god fearing family men and so on
A lot of knock on effects of the attacks on Israel to come in the next few weeks and months.
Firstly, looks like Ukraine is shafted. GOP reps already looking to make any spending commitments prioritise Israel at the expense of Ukraine. Russia is making sure its propagandists are amplifying this - it’s the let’s cancel x and use the money to fund y tactic for the US right.
Second, probably another refugee crisis for Europe to brace for, especially if Egypt is unwelcoming to Gaza Palestinians. And it’ll be politically toxic in Europe given the terrorist origins of what’s about to happen.
Finally, the usual oil price response, just in time for Boreal winter. Depends how wide any conflict spreads.
US support for Ukraine has been waning and has become a completely partisan issue, already suffering, and now there is a massive distraction event and situation much closer to many of their hearts.
Putin will have been dreaming for a scenario like this. The worst people always find a way to prosper.
It's dead easy for the administration to link Ukraine and this attack in Israel as both being aided by Iran. Then you say funding Israel and Ukraine is part of fighting a common enemy. It also happens to be broadly true.
Wouldn’t want to be working in that Iranian factory that makes the Shahed drones at the moment. Several countries will be eyeing that place up as a target.
They can eye it up all they like but its 200km inland from the Gulf at Isfahan so there's only one country that has the capability to flatten it. I don't think JRB wants a war with Iran in an election year.
You saying Israel doesn't have the capability? I think Israeli capabilities are going to see many exceeded stretch goals in coming weeks.
Yes, I am somewhat mystified by this remark
Israel has a defence budget five times larger than Iran's, specifically it has a superior air force, with more and better aircraft (and of course in any strike it will be greatly aided, either openly or covertly, by the USA - and possibly other countries that loathe Iran like Saudi or the UAE)
I am fairly sure Israel could, in these circumstances, hit Iran where it hurts. The only doubt might be Iran having nukes and the ability to use them, but this is highly unlikely, at the moment
My flint agent has teenage sons who love Andrew Tate (to her despair). He’s been pro Islamist for while, or so she tells me. They are proper god fearing family men and so on
Unfortunately he has become emblematic of the pushback against so-called "toxic" masculinity. He's effectively the Che Guevara Poster for disaffected teens to early twenties completely ignored by their female counterparts, due to the globalization of dating practices, documented numerous times (did you know, for example, men outumber women on tinder by 10 to 1? That's not swipe, that's outnumber. Before the swiping).
Men got pushed just so far, got told they were such pieces of shit, that they started rallying around genuinely toxic figures like Tate. I have no time for Tate or his compadres, but for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Tate is the reaction to men being told they're toxic just for being men.
Yes indeed
The lad mags of the 90s were a reaction to the feminism of the 80s, which said: Looking at naked women is evil, liking football is boorish, everything male is dull or sexist, and on and on (and on)
So the lad mags came out and said: Er, actually, we like looking at bare breasts (we're made that way), football is fun, drinking beer with your mates is a laugh, going to dangerous places and shooting things is a blast
Then the lad mags really DID get boorish (at the beginning they were genuinely witty and fresh) and so the pendulum swang again
And now here we are once more. A decade of everyone telling men they are shit and useless and maleness is poison, and we have the inevitable reaction: Andrew Tate
The problem this time is that the pendulum swings are much more vicious and extreme; Loaded magazine was positively benign compared to Tate
Or alternatively: Tate offers an 'easy' answer to the concerns of idiots. Being nice to women and others is actually quite hard, especially if you are a shit. Working hard at school and getting a better job is hard.
Easier just to take what you want.
Charlatans have sold easy answers since time immemorial. Tate is just continuing in the same manner (or, lack of manners...)
Tate is actually a response to what we know is going on with dating at the moment, which we can verify through dating app data, i.e. about 1 in 10 men get picked to be in a relationship. Most teens to early twenties are "incels" now.
His advice, fundamentally, boils down, to being "you need to be a top 1% male and even if you don't make it, if you follow my advice, you'll be top 10%". Go gym, take roids, make money, spend money, look flash. This, apparently (and I do remember from my own younger days) attracts girls.
It's pretty weak sauce stuff, but if I was a 23 year old who'd never had a cloth tit, I'd probably be listening to him too.
If we accept that Sunak is a dud, that's four Conservative Prime Ministers in a row who have rapidly failed. (Five if you count single party majority Dave as different to Coalition Dave.) And arguably, in ways that ought to have been obvious with even moderate foresight.
At some point, you have to pause with fishing dead bodies out of the river and go upstream. What is it about today's Conservative Party that means that they keep selecting leaders who aren't up to the job? Is it their selection process, or is it that the Conservatives are trying to do something that can't really be done?
A lot of knock on effects of the attacks on Israel to come in the next few weeks and months.
Firstly, looks like Ukraine is shafted. GOP reps already looking to make any spending commitments prioritise Israel at the expense of Ukraine. Russia is making sure its propagandists are amplifying this - it’s the let’s cancel x and use the money to fund y tactic for the US right.
Second, probably another refugee crisis for Europe to brace for, especially if Egypt is unwelcoming to Gaza Palestinians. And it’ll be politically toxic in Europe given the terrorist origins of what’s about to happen.
Finally, the usual oil price response, just in time for Boreal winter. Depends how wide any conflict spreads.
US support for Ukraine has been waning and has become a completely partisan issue, already suffering, and now there is a massive distraction event and situation much closer to many of their hearts.
Putin will have been dreaming for a scenario like this. The worst people always find a way to prosper.
It's dead easy for the administration to link Ukraine and this attack in Israel as both being aided by Iran. Then you say funding Israel and Ukraine is part of fighting a common enemy. It also happens to be broadly true.
Wouldn’t want to be working in that Iranian factory that makes the Shahed drones at the moment. Several countries will be eyeing that place up as a target.
They can eye it up all they like but its 200km inland from the Gulf at Isfahan so there's only one country that has the capability to flatten it. I don't think JRB wants a war with Iran in an election year.
You saying Israel doesn't have the capability? I think Israeli capabilities are going to see many exceeded stretch goals in coming weeks.
Yes, I am somewhat mystified by this remark
Israel has a defence budget five times larger than Iran's, specifically it has a superior air force, with more and better aircraft (and of course in any strike it will be greatly aided, either openly or covertly, by the USA - and possibly other countries that loathe Iran like Saudi or the UAE)
I am fairly sure Israel could, in these circumstances, hit Iran where it hurts. The only doubt might be Iran having nukes and the ability to use them, but this is highly unlikely, at the moment
Your forgetting that Iranian missile/drone technology is pretty advanced . They've ballistic missiles so any Israeli strike could invite retaliation. Do the IDF really want a hot war with Iran?
If we accept that Sunak is a dud, that's four Conservative Prime Ministers in a row who have rapidly failed. (Five if you count single party majority Dave as different to Coalition Dave.) And arguably, in ways that ought to have been obvious with even moderate foresight.
At some point, you have to pause with fishing dead bodies out of the river and go upstream. What is it about today's Conservative Party that means that they keep selecting leaders who aren't up to the job? Is it their selection process, or is it that the Conservatives are trying to do something that can't really be done?
That's up to the electorate when they go to vote at the next election.
In the mean time are we just supposed to keep a dead body in situ?
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The point here is that she’s right and decolonisation is an ideology committed to ethnonationalist violence and always has been. Time to exile it from the academy, media and politics (I’m not holding my breath though)
https://x.com/jsmilbank/status/1710933447978426467
In response to:
what did y'all think decolonization meant? vibes? papers? essays? losers.
https://x.com/overdramatique/status/1710689657757769783
[spoken as a true alumnus of the Godless College of Gower Street]
Edward Jay Epstein concludes that Snowden revealed terrorist fighting programs that the US used, and shared with our allies. And, that Snowden revealed British and Israeli secrets, as well as ours. (I assume everyone understands that these revelations probably went from Russia to Iran, and from there to Hamas, and other terrorist organizations.)
If true, that doesn't absolve Netanyahu's government of responsibility; they should have restored more of their intelligence capabilities, by now.
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/547346/how-america-lost-its-secrets-by-edward-jay-epstein/
This is a video with fake voiceover of Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney, Tony Blair and John Howard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-6Niw_ZTJo
This is a video with fake voiceover of Field Marshal Montgomery surrendering to the Germans following the invasion of Britain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JywyBE-cyHg
None of these voices are real. As I have pointed out over the past weeks, we are already in a world where recorded verbal evidence is not sufficient.
The audio has now beem exposed as almost-certainly fake, and comes from a dude who has a history of Starmer-related fakery. And he's a Corbynite
So the Jezzbollah himself may have waned in salience, but his apostles still stalk the money changers of New New Labour
But then also reversed things and managed to add 'AI Watermarks' to content that had been hand-created by humans which caused it to be flagged by the likes of Instagram.
So... it's all looking absolutely fine.
And of course that scene was itself a direct copy from Star Wars and the destruction of the Death Star, virtually shot by shot.
I am saying Jezbollah is the Jezziah to his disciples, which is what he is. Give it a rest
Amazing weather.
In 1992 they could tell a story about turning the country around after the last Labour government, but there's been so much disorder in government since 2016 that they can't put such a story together. Five Prime Ministers in the last seven and a half years is chaotic and disjointed.
If you are somehow trying to construe my remark as anti-Semitic (I mean, groan) then it is also Islamophhobic, because I said Jezbollah, and probably anti-Scottish, in a way no one has quite discerned yet but they surely will
Alternatively, you are talking shite. Go outside and have a drink
Lavishing spending on oldies is the great achievement of the last 13 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/oct/08/bank-of-england-sounds-out-buyers-for-metro-bank-including-natwest
Wasn't Metro Bank the future of banking once?
Pouring money into the NHS
Full employment for northerners
A problem being that many Conservatives don't approve of the last two items.
When you combine the best synthesis (so it sounds real, not human-like but indistinguishable from a real person) with voice cloning (so it sounds like a particular person) and sophisticated language models (so it speaks like a real person and makes sense) we will soon be in a place where unless you can see someone you can no longer be confident that you are talking to a real person.
https://twitter.com/MattCartoonist/status/1710694036099510504/photo/1
Hamas releases video showing the suicide drones they used yesterday in their surprise attack against Israel
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1711019133729472865?s=20
Just to be clear there are no actual people shown been killed, so I am not posting the "torture pron" stuff.
I wonder where they filmed / tested these? Surely the Israelis can't have missed this in their backyard.
No doubt Snowden did some serious damage to US intelligence, but it's not really plausible that it has a significant effect on present day Israeli surveillance of their neighbour.
On that note, I must to the shops. The lovely sunshine demands a delicate fish dinner, in its honour
And we know that his revelations also included the names of some of our agents in hsotile nations.
But, get a copy of the book and read chapter 29, 'The "War on Terror" After Snowden', so you can decide for yourself.
(Reminder: I'll repeat what I said before: I am arguing that Snowden's revelations are one possible reason for the Israeli intelligence failure. And I understand why that possible explanation may be awkward for readers of the Guardian.)
"Net migration is too high, says Yvette Cooper"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/06/labour-yvette-cooper-migration-reduce-work-visas/
Combine that with a text-to-speech LoRA of the x thousand or so text messages my friend has from his ex, and you have a very creepy replica. (*Luckily, my friend did not go this far, but it's hypothetically possible)
Real voice synthesis is here, and you only need about 60 seconds of decent quality audio to replicate... everything. Elevenlabs was the first, but much like dall-e existed for about 5 minutes as a paid product before the open source stable diffusion ate its lunch, if you want to create anyone's voice, you can do it in about 15 minutes from watching the tutorial to installing the package to exporting the audio file.
You also need about 100k of someone's words to create a convincing duplicate of them in a LoRA. 1m words is much, much better, but 100k is close enough for casual fidelity. Most PB'ers have probably contributed more than 1m words to this site, so easy to replicate.
Climate change isn't all bad, but it doesn't make up for a rotten wet August.
Note least that because Hamas are linked to Iran rather than Wahabbism.
Operation al-Aqasa Storm is Israel's Intelligence Failure
https://malcolmnance.substack.com/p/flash-traffic-operation-al-qasa-storm
You are assuming that without Snowden, Hamas would have learned nothing about operational security in the last decade.
I know it’s cliche to say “I did not have this on my bingo card” now but…I did not have “Andrew Tate sides with Hamas because he’s anti-vaxx” on my bingo card
https://twitter.com/ArmandDoma/status/1710900729794174983
Lunch at 4.15 ??
Example: "possible".
The point being, of course, that free speech embraces the right to disagree with stuff.
*burps*
My Lord, the port is with you.
"Consider again that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar", every "supreme leader", every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.
Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.
It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known..."
Ah, sweet dreams of youth...
Unfortunately he has become emblematic of the pushback against so-called "toxic" masculinity. He's effectively the Che Guevara Poster for disaffected teens to early twenties completely ignored by their female counterparts, due to the globalization of dating practices, documented numerous times (did you know, for example, men outumber women on tinder by 10 to 1? That's not swipe, that's outnumber. Before the swiping).
Men got pushed just so far, got told they were such pieces of shit, that they started rallying around genuinely toxic figures like Tate. I have no time for Tate or his compadres, but for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Tate is the reaction to men being told they're toxic just for being men.
The lad mags of the 90s were a reaction to the feminism of the 80s, which said: Looking at naked women is evil, liking football is boorish, everything male is dull or sexist, and on and on (and on)
So the lad mags came out and said: Er, actually, we like looking at bare breasts (we're made that way), football is fun, drinking beer with your mates is a laugh, going to dangerous places and shooting things is a blast
Then the lad mags really DID get boorish (at the beginning they were genuinely witty and fresh) and so the pendulum swang again
And now here we are once more. A decade of everyone telling men they are shit and useless and maleness is poison, and we have the inevitable reaction: Andrew Tate
The problem this time is that the pendulum swings are much more vicious and extreme; Loaded magazine was positively benign compared to Tate
I shall not link
I wonder if @FrancisUrquhart is right and some ISIS members have drifted back to Hamas, or whether Hamas see ISIS as an inspiration
This whole appalling episode feels like a catastrophe for the Palestinian cause, even in the midst of a military "victory"
The country needs a better Prime Minister.
The Tories need a better leader.
If you can still find it, I'd recommend trying to find his "PHD" aka "Pimpin' hoes degree" he released before he got famous, in which he lays out *exactly* what he is. A small time grifter with a low budget camera. He presents a very polished image on social media today, but I think even the dumbest 16 year old would see him for the grifter he is. That is what I would show to your publisher's kids.
One thing I will say in his favour though, his chess.com rating back in the days when we had mutual friends was 1600 (about 200 more than mine) and into "properly good territory" so he's not as dumb as he looks. I've worked my ass off for years and never got that high on a 10 min game, let alone a 5 min game.
Easier just to take what you want.
Charlatans have sold easy answers since time immemorial. Tate is just continuing in the same manner (or, lack of manners...)
(Well, ok, their appointment of a man who exploited 16 year old girls was some years ago, but OFSTED has never quite recovered from the scandal.)
Israel has a defence budget five times larger than Iran's, specifically it has a superior air force, with more and better aircraft (and of course in any strike it will be greatly aided, either openly or covertly, by the USA - and possibly other countries that loathe Iran like Saudi or the UAE)
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison-detail.php?Submit=COMPARE&country1=iran&country2=israel&form=form
I am fairly sure Israel could, in these circumstances, hit Iran where it hurts. The only doubt might be Iran having nukes and the ability to use them, but this is highly unlikely, at the moment
His advice, fundamentally, boils down, to being "you need to be a top 1% male and even if you don't make it, if you follow my advice, you'll be top 10%". Go gym, take roids, make money, spend money, look flash. This, apparently (and I do remember from my own younger days) attracts girls.
It's pretty weak sauce stuff, but if I was a 23 year old who'd never had a cloth tit, I'd probably be listening to him too.
If we accept that Sunak is a dud, that's four Conservative Prime Ministers in a row who have rapidly failed. (Five if you count single party majority Dave as different to Coalition Dave.) And arguably, in ways that ought to have been obvious with even moderate foresight.
At some point, you have to pause with fishing dead bodies out of the river and go upstream. What is it about today's Conservative Party that means that they keep selecting leaders who aren't up to the job? Is it their selection process, or is it that the Conservatives are trying to do something that can't really be done?
In the mean time are we just supposed to keep a dead body in situ?