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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    edited October 2023

    Sophy Ridge on Sky posted their poll on the cancellation of HS2

    Correct decision

    Yes 34%
    No 27%
    D/K 39%

    Is that a Voodoo poll?

    Or from a BPC registered pollster?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    edited October 2023
    Cyclefree said:

    I realise that I have a personal interest. But if there is an eruption in Naples I won't give a fuckety fuck what happens in British politics. Or anywhere else for that matter. My heart will be broken.

    @Cyclefree Records of actual destructive historically recorded eruptions look rare for the Campi Flegrei (as opposed to Vesuvius) and the likelihood probably tends towards an event possibly months and years away, towards the slow motion pushing up of a hill over days and weeks. Perhaps something that damages housing over an area if in the wrong bit, and forces evacuations, but hopefully gradual enough that the risk to life is limited.

    Ianae, and am just following this one, and can't guarantee anything I'm afraid, but do read the 1538 event I linked as I think the scenario there, which has resemblance to now, does possibly provide a degree of reassurance. It is a worry for sure, but the history might tilt a bit towards a very inconvenient curiosity rather than an impending disaster.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited October 2023
    Cyclefree said:

    I realise that I have a personal interest. But if there is an eruption in Naples I won't give a fuckety fuck what happens in British politics. Or anywhere else for that matter. My heart will be broken.

    I hope these guys are correct.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-plans-possible-evacuations-super-volcano-near-naples-2023-10-05/
    ...There is not an imminent threat of an eruption, most volcanologists say, but with the ground currently rising by 1.5 cm (0.59 inches) a month, there is concern over the impact on local buildings.

    Civil Protection Minister Nello Musumeci said this week evacuations would only be triggered in case of "extreme necessity"...


    The recent activity doesn't seem to be entirely unprecedented. Though of course we didn't have satellite monitoring of the same kind back then.

    ..The last time Campi Flegrei suffered a comparable burst of earthquakes was in the 1980s. On that occasion, some 40,000 people were temporarily evacuated from nearby Pozzuoli...
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    What if the police investigation of the SNP goes nowhere and no charges are brought . That would surely boost them so I think their GE obituaries are being prematurely written .

    A lot can happen in a year !
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    So Trevor Kavanagh thinks Sunak has stymied Starmer. He's not wrong
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586

    Allie Hodgkins-Brown
    @AllieHBNews
    ·
    1m
    Friday’s TIMES: “CPS calls for clemency over ‘mercy killing’ cases”

    ===

    Excellent news.

    Welcome, but let's not go this far:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws
  • Sophy Ridge on Sky posted their poll on the cancellation of HS2

    Correct decision

    Yes 34%
    No 27%
    D/K 39%

    Is that a Voodoo poll?

    Or from a BPC registered pollster?
    FindOutNow;

    https://news.sky.com/story/tory-conference-latest-rishi-sunak-to-make-speech-to-tory-faithful-after-conference-overshadowed-by-hs2-backlash-12593360?postid=6535851#liveblog-body

    But the Conservative members figures from the same poll;

    Yes 66%
    No 18%
    D/K 16%

    The faithful are still faithful.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    Ratters said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    This is one of the few major set piece events before the election campaign. No polling bounce wouldn't be a great outcome to say the least.

    Sunak has tried governing via minefield. The purpose of many of these announcements is to create a wedge with Labour to make them look fiscally irresponsible or taking money from your pocket.

    Labour seems to be taking the approach of staying in the barracks and taking their time to decide on which fronts they want to fight. The mines go untouched.

    What concerns me is the prospect of Sunak continuing to make actively harmful decisions until he can get Labour to step on one.
    Is it? Autumn Statement. Budget. 2024 conference. Pre-election Autumn statement in 2024.

    Plus anything else he wants to invent.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think the Tories will lose, but the fat lady is only on verse one and she might yet stop singing with a bad throat.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586
    carnforth said:

    Allie Hodgkins-Brown
    @AllieHBNews
    ·
    1m
    Friday’s TIMES: “CPS calls for clemency over ‘mercy killing’ cases”

    ===

    Excellent news.

    Welcome, but let's not go this far:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/11/canada-cases-right-to-die-laws
    Or worse:

    https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867
  • FT

    Starmer's refusal to reverse the axe to the line north of Birmingham in effect delivers the coup de grace to the Northern branch
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    The test of your theory is next week. Watch for invented “rows” and “gaffs” from a bored media that wants a Tory comeback narrative.
  • Sophy Ridge on Sky posted their poll on the cancellation of HS2

    Correct decision

    Yes 34%
    No 27%
    D/K 39%

    Is that a Voodoo poll?

    Or from a BPC registered pollster?
    No
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I realise that I have a personal interest. But if there is an eruption in Naples I won't give a fuckety fuck what happens in British politics. Or anywhere else for that matter. My heart will be broken.

    I hope these guys are correct.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-plans-possible-evacuations-super-volcano-near-naples-2023-10-05/
    ...There is not an imminent threat of an eruption, most volcanologists say, but with the ground currently rising by 1.5 cm (0.59 inches) a month, there is concern over the impact on local buildings.

    Civil Protection Minister Nello Musumeci said this week evacuations would only be triggered in case of "extreme necessity"...


    The recent activity doesn't seem to be entirely unprecedented. Though of course we didn't have satellite monitoring of the same kind back then.

    ..The last time Campi Flegrei suffered a comparable burst of earthquakes was in the 1980s. On that occasion, some 40,000 people were temporarily evacuated from nearby Pozzuoli...
    There have been 2 eruptions in the area already this week. I'm not sure that referring to what happened in 1538 is entirely reassuring, frankly.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
  • nico679 said:

    What if the police investigation of the SNP goes nowhere and no charges are brought . That would surely boost them so I think their GE obituaries are being prematurely written .

    A lot can happen in a year !

    I have made that point several times to be fair
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    edited October 2023

    Sophy Ridge on Sky posted their poll on the cancellation of HS2

    Correct decision

    Yes 34%
    No 27%
    D/K 39%

    Is that a Voodoo poll?

    Or from a BPC registered pollster?
    FindOutNow;

    https://news.sky.com/story/tory-conference-latest-rishi-sunak-to-make-speech-to-tory-faithful-after-conference-overshadowed-by-hs2-backlash-12593360?postid=6535851#liveblog-body

    But the Conservative members figures from the same poll;

    Yes 66%
    No 18%
    D/K 16%

    The faithful are still faithful.
    In that poll they found 2,019 national voters, and 437 Conservative members? Really?

    image
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    On what basis is it ‘working’?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    edited October 2023
    SNP blaming Tory voters going over to Labour, on Newsnight.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    edited October 2023
    biggles said:

    Ratters said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    This is one of the few major set piece events before the election campaign. No polling bounce wouldn't be a great outcome to say the least.

    Sunak has tried governing via minefield. The purpose of many of these announcements is to create a wedge with Labour to make them look fiscally irresponsible or taking money from your pocket.

    Labour seems to be taking the approach of staying in the barracks and taking their time to decide on which fronts they want to fight. The mines go untouched.

    What concerns me is the prospect of Sunak continuing to make actively harmful decisions until he can get Labour to step on one.
    Is it? Autumn Statement. Budget. 2024 conference. Pre-election Autumn statement in 2024.

    Plus anything else he wants to invent.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think the Tories will lose, but the fat lady is only on verse one and she might yet stop singing with a bad throat.
    There is something of the antibiotic-resistant superbug about the Tories, it’s true. Or at least after 13 years of them it feels that way. But I remember 1996. People felt the same, they couldn’t believe what the polls were showing.

    And we also remember 2010. A lot of people believed we were into a new era of pendulum politics, the coalition might or might not survive for the whole 5 years, Labour might well be back again soon. But they weren’t. There’s no guarantee that things will swing straight back to a party that’s alienated most of the electorate and is gradually losing the ones it’s not alienated to death by natural causes.

    There is no positive reason to vote conservative, none at all.
  • Andy_JS said:

    SNP blaming Tory voters going over to Labour, on Newsnight.

    Tactical voting for the union
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586

    Sophy Ridge on Sky posted their poll on the cancellation of HS2

    Correct decision

    Yes 34%
    No 27%
    D/K 39%

    Is that a Voodoo poll?

    Or from a BPC registered pollster?
    FindOutNow;

    https://news.sky.com/story/tory-conference-latest-rishi-sunak-to-make-speech-to-tory-faithful-after-conference-overshadowed-by-hs2-backlash-12593360?postid=6535851#liveblog-body

    But the Conservative members figures from the same poll;

    Yes 66%
    No 18%
    D/K 16%

    The faithful are still faithful.
    In that poll they found 2,019 national voters, and 437 Conservative members? Really?

    image
    The discrepency in the don't know figures is the interesting part there.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    TimS said:

    biggles said:

    Ratters said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    This is one of the few major set piece events before the election campaign. No polling bounce wouldn't be a great outcome to say the least.

    Sunak has tried governing via minefield. The purpose of many of these announcements is to create a wedge with Labour to make them look fiscally irresponsible or taking money from your pocket.

    Labour seems to be taking the approach of staying in the barracks and taking their time to decide on which fronts they want to fight. The mines go untouched.

    What concerns me is the prospect of Sunak continuing to make actively harmful decisions until he can get Labour to step on one.
    Is it? Autumn Statement. Budget. 2024 conference. Pre-election Autumn statement in 2024.

    Plus anything else he wants to invent.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think the Tories will lose, but the fat lady is only on verse one and she might yet stop singing with a bad throat.
    There is something of the antibiotic-resistant superbug about the Tories, it’s true. Or at least after 13 years of them it feels that way. But I remember 1996. People felt the same, they couldn’t believe what the polls were showing.

    And we also remember 2010. A lot of people believed we were into a new era of pendulum politics, the coalition might or might not survive for the whole 5 years, Labour might well be back again soon. But they weren’t. There’s no guarantee that things will swing straight back to a party that’s alienated most of the electorate and is gradually losing the ones it’s not alienated to death by natural causes.

    There is no positive reason to vote conservative, none at all.
    I don’t disagree. In general, I think alternating two four year terms of each party would be best for the country. Sadly I don’t get to choose.
  • viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    On what basis is it ‘working’?
    Let's see the next Opinium. Single figures!
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Can I have 1,900 !
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    +1650 was mine
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.
    Was it on Nevsky Prospekt?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    At this precise moment I think TSE is spot on.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    SNP by 250
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Can I let you know at about 0130?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.
    I spend a lot of time in taxis (it's how I get to the train station) and can personally confirm that several taxi drivers think as you describe
  • Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yeah, you missed me!

    Labour by 2000
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    At this precise moment I think TSE is spot on.
    To be clear, TSE predicted an SNP win by an unspecified amount. I have a feeling he's wrong.
    Ah, it should be "- ?" then.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.
    I spend a lot of time in taxis (it's how I get to the train station) and can personally confirm that several taxi drivers think as you describe
    Taxi drivers have been mental for as long as I can rember conversations with taxi drivers.
  • Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yeah, you missed me!

    Labour by 2000
    I'm feeling like Lab might take it by more than 4000.
    Turnout mid 40s?

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    edited October 2023
    I have a cheeky couple of quid on the SNP to win, so I'd better say that, maybe by 300?

    I have no idea whether they actually will, just fancied a flutter.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Just think, this time next year we could be arguing over the exit poll and waiting up to see the big heads roll.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    On what basis is it ‘working’?
    Let's see the next Opinium. Single figures!
    You just cherrypicking polls now? There’s a poll out literally tonight with a 21 point lead
    which you choose to ignore presumably? In any case, it’s boring reading your posts on this matter because you have a hypothesis and fit the evidence around it rather than vice versa. Of course, you might end up being right, but droning on about it without any evidence won’t be the reason if you are.
  • Farooq said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Who exactly is qualified to wield power but also willing to utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes?

    My judgement of the former would be somewhat* tempered by the latter.

    *utterly
    Good comment about the preponderance of wealthy elderly stopping change. There are many about living in large paid off houses and spending most of their time planning their next holiday. They live in a different reality to young people paying exorbitant rents. They are the conservative core voters.
  • I have a cheeky couple of quid on the SNP to win, so I'd better say that, maybe by 300?

    I have no idea whether they actually will, just fancied a flutter.

    Already briefing BBC that they have lost, so it doesn't bode well for them.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    edited October 2023
    Farooq said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Can I let you know at about 0130?
    You can!

    But I won't count it.
    More seriously, I don’t think anyone can sensibly play now as the SNP seem to have half conceded.

    I would have said SNP by 500.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.
    I spend a lot of time in taxis (it's how I get to the train station) and can personally confirm that several taxi drivers think as you describe
    Taxi drivers have been mental for as long as I can rember conversations with taxi drivers.
    Normally the white ones, though. Although a couple of times I've listened to anti-muslim rants from Hindu drivers, just for variation.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    At this precise moment I think TSE is spot on.
    To be clear, TSE predicted an SNP win by an unspecified amount. I have a feeling he's wrong.
    I said it was my book talking.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419

    I have a cheeky couple of quid on the SNP to win, so I'd better say that, maybe by 300?

    I have no idea whether they actually will, just fancied a flutter.

    Already briefing BBC that they have lost, so it doesn't bode well for them.
    Boooo. No stomach for a fight.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yeah, you missed me!

    Labour by 2000
    And me - Labour by 3800.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yeah, you missed me!

    Labour by 2000
    I'm feeling like Lab might take it by more than 4000.
    Turnout mid 40s?

    It's been pouring rain here from morning 'till night - I'd be pleasantly surprised if the turnout is that high.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yeah, you missed me!

    Labour by 2000
    I'm feeling like Lab might take it by more than 4000.
    Turnout mid 40s?

    Labour +4000 on a turnout of 45% would be a big win.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586
    The RAAC stuff seems to have fallen entirely out of popular view.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    carnforth said:

    The RAAC stuff seems to have fallen entirely out of popular view.

    It's just crumbled away.
  • Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    On what basis is it ‘working’?
    Let's see the next Opinium. Single figures!
    You just cherrypicking polls now? There’s a poll out literally tonight with a 21 point lead
    which you choose to ignore presumably? In any case, it’s boring reading your posts on this matter because you have a hypothesis and fit the evidence around it rather than vice versa. Of course, you might end up being right, but droning on about it without any evidence won’t be the reason if you are.
    Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited October 2023
    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Can I let you know at about 0130?
    You can!

    But I won't count it.
    More seriously, I don’t think anyone can sensibly play now as the SNP seem to have half conceded.

    I would have said SNP by 500.
    Looks like Yousaf will likely lose his first parliamentary by election as SNP leader then, will likely provoke some grumbles in SNP ranks
  • Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yeah, you missed me!

    Labour by 2000
    I'm feeling like Lab might take it by more than 4000.
    Turnout mid 40s?

    Labour +4000 on a turnout of 45% would be a big win.
    Lab say their vote has turned up, SNP have been deserted by the faithful, Tories going tactical? Could be a hefty win.

    Could be 50 votes in it, who knows? 😂
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    viewcode said:



    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.

    I spend a lot of time in taxis (it's how I get to the train station) and can personally confirm that several taxi drivers think as you describe
    I was impressed last year in Liverpool when the taxi-driver held forth about the way the City of Culture award had really boosted Liverpool, and the galleries and theatre were great. I realised I harboured dark prejudices about reactionary Sun-reading taxi-drivers and was suitably abashed.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    I went for +1783
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    carnforth said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.
    I spend a lot of time in taxis (it's how I get to the train station) and can personally confirm that several taxi drivers think as you describe
    Taxi drivers have been mental for as long as I can rember conversations with taxi drivers.
    Normally the white ones, though. Although a couple of times I've listened to anti-muslim rants from Hindu drivers, just for variation.
    Weirdly, although Americans are fairly mental by and large, American taxi drivers tend to be less mental than British ones, for some reason. Often well educated immigrants listening to the BBC world service. Go figure!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,783

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.
    Cab drivers here seem of much the same mind. Oddly enough - quite a few cab drivers died during pandemic times.

    Also possibly related to their furlough payments being related to the taxable incomes they'd reported for the previous year,
  • HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Can I let you know at about 0130?
    You can!

    But I won't count it.
    More seriously, I don’t think anyone can sensibly play now as the SNP seem to have half conceded.

    I would have said SNP by 500.
    Looks like Yousaf will likely lose his first parliamentary by election as SNP leader then, will likely provoke some grumbles in SNP ranks
    The SNP reaction to a heavy defeat will be something to savour
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Farooq said:


    And me - Labour by 3800.

    Apologies

    SNP WIN
    - 500 @biggles
    - 471 @boulay
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 300 @Luckyguy1983
    TIE
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 250 @Foxy
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +1650 @Pro_Rata
    +1900 @Nico (I assume you mean Labour win?)
    +2000 @Sunil_Prasannan
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +3800 @NickPalmer
    +4000 @AramintaMoonbeamQC
    +4800 @Heathener
    LABOUR WIN
    Labour by 2400
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yes - I said earlier: Labour by 5,216.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    edited October 2023
    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yes - I said earlier: Labour by 5,216.
    Me - Labour by 1,500 to 2,000
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    On what basis is it ‘working’?
    Let's see the next Opinium. Single figures!
    You just cherrypicking polls now? There’s a poll out literally tonight with a 21 point lead
    which you choose to ignore presumably? In any case, it’s boring reading your posts on this matter because you have a hypothesis and fit the evidence around it rather than vice versa. Of course, you might end up being right, but droning on about it without any evidence won’t be the reason if you are.
    Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind
    No
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    viewcode said:



    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.

    I spend a lot of time in taxis (it's how I get to the train station) and can personally confirm that several taxi drivers think as you describe
    I was impressed last year in Liverpool when the taxi-driver held forth about the way the City of Culture award had really boosted Liverpool, and the galleries and theatre were great. I realised I harboured dark prejudices about reactionary Sun-reading taxi-drivers and was suitably abashed.
    OTOH I caught a cab to an exhibition of illuminated manuscripts at the British Library some time ago and when I explained where I was going the driver asked me whether they put the manuscripts under special lights to illuminate them.
  • Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    On what basis is it ‘working’?
    Let's see the next Opinium. Single figures!
    You just cherrypicking polls now? There’s a poll out literally tonight with a 21 point lead
    which you choose to ignore presumably? In any case, it’s boring reading your posts on this matter because you have a hypothesis and fit the evidence around it rather than vice versa. Of course, you might end up being right, but droning on about it without any evidence won’t be the reason if you are.
    Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind
    No
    Yes
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779

    viewcode said:



    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.

    I spend a lot of time in taxis (it's how I get to the train station) and can personally confirm that several taxi drivers think as you describe
    I was impressed last year in Liverpool when the taxi-driver held forth about the way the City of Culture award had really boosted Liverpool, and the galleries and theatre were great. I realised I harboured dark prejudices about reactionary Sun-reading taxi-drivers and was suitably abashed.
    Yes every so often you get a nice taxi driver and it temporarily restores your faith in humanity. It never lasts though. I'd rather get the bus. At least if the driver's a c*nt you don't have to listen to him telling you his views on immigration.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    edited October 2023
    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yes - I said earlier: Labour by 5,216.
    That would be a big win.
  • HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Can I let you know at about 0130?
    You can!

    But I won't count it.
    More seriously, I don’t think anyone can sensibly play now as the SNP seem to have half conceded.

    I would have said SNP by 500.
    Looks like Yousaf will likely lose his first parliamentary by election as SNP leader then, will likely provoke some grumbles in SNP ranks
    The SNP reaction to a heavy defeat will be something to savour
    The blood letting if they get routed will keep us going for days. I'm only really in this one for the entertainment value of the penny dropping that they are in for an absolute pasting at the GE.
  • HYUFD said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    biggles said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Can I let you know at about 0130?
    You can!

    But I won't count it.
    More seriously, I don’t think anyone can sensibly play now as the SNP seem to have half conceded.

    I would have said SNP by 500.
    Looks like Yousaf will likely lose his first parliamentary by election as SNP leader then, will likely provoke some grumbles in SNP ranks
    The SNP reaction to a heavy defeat will be something to savour
    The blood letting if they get routed will keep us going for days. I'm only really in this one for the entertainment value of the penny dropping that they are in for an absolute pasting at the GE.
    In the central belt especially
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yes - I said earlier: Labour by 5,216.
    Me - Labour by 1,500 to 2,000
    Point of order - pick a number - A number.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    Farooq said:

    Removing TSE then

    SNP WIN
    - 500 @biggles
    - 471 @boulay
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 300 @Luckyguy1983
    TIE
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 250 @Foxy
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +1650 @Pro_Rata
    +1900 @Nico (I assume you mean Labour win?)
    +2000 @Sunil_Prasannan
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4000 @AramintaMoonbeamQC
    +4800 @Heathener
    LABOUR WIN

    Ok, apologies to those I missed, I only scanned the previous thread for replies to me, may have missed others.

    Labour +3000
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    carnforth said:

    The RAAC stuff seems to have fallen entirely out of popular view.

    Knowing what it stood for got me a point in the pub quiz, as did knowing the rise in the pension.

  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yes - I said earlier: Labour by 5,216.
    Me - Labour by 1,500 to 2,000
    Point of order - pick a number - A number.
    I think he picked 1,750.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523

    Farooq said:

    Removing TSE then

    SNP WIN
    - 500 @biggles
    - 471 @boulay
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 300 @Luckyguy1983
    TIE
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 250 @Foxy
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +1650 @Pro_Rata
    +1900 @Nico (I assume you mean Labour win?)
    +2000 @Sunil_Prasannan
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4000 @AramintaMoonbeamQC
    +4800 @Heathener
    LABOUR WIN

    Ok, apologies to those I missed, I only scanned the previous thread for replies to me, may have missed others.

    Labour +3000
    Labour +3800. But thanks for doing it - adds to the fun!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Farooq said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Who exactly is qualified to wield power but also willing to utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes?

    My judgement of the former would be somewhat* tempered by the latter.

    *utterly
    In Turchin terms, "elites" is a simple synonym for "power havers". "Elite overproduction" is when people capable of wielding power (I used the word "qualified" above, which misled, my apologies) are denied it thru simple lack of powerful positions. He uses it to refer to well-educated people with professional/academic positions who have sufficient interest in the world and sufficient time to formulate theories.

    Here's a thing: Lenin trained to be a lawyer, Stalin a priest, Mao a teacher/librarian, Hitler an artist. All in different circumstances would be comfortable professionals. But lacking a outlet for their gifts and surrounded by disaffected, they went into politics, won, overthrew the existing order and remade the world...and we spent fifty years cleaning up after them.

    Although not in the same league (obvs) consider somebody like Matthew Goodwin. A man of considerable gifts and academic achievement, he has the time and intelligence to build an underlying theory of the world and the desire to change the world accordingly. But in a nation of 68 million people (69, 70...remember, it's increasing) and only 650 seats at the top level and a few thou(?) at devolved level, he cannot wield the power he believes to be his right.

    So my answer to your question is "...well-educated people/autodidacts with professional/academic positions who have sufficient interest in the world, sufficient time to formulate theories, and sufficient resources to pursue power..."

    Does that answer your question?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Farooq said:

    I went for +1783

    Cyclefree said:

    Yes - I said earlier: Labour by 5,216.

    rcs1000 said:

    Me - Labour by 1,500 to 2,000

    Sorry, sorry, I really did a bad job of keeping track of this! I've added you to the list but I won't keep reposting it now.
    Thanks for your work on the collation. Nice bit of distraction from the omnishambles that is the UK governing party.

    BF now showing SNP at 32.

    Think I may have lost a fiver.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    +5215
  • I have no doubt the SNP have lost and it will be a boost for Starmer and the union

    However, if nothing comes of the police investigations then I would expect some recovery for them

    Time to wish everyone good night
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    ….
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    viewcode said:



    Fantastic comment. I was in a cab today and the cab driver said he didnt believe the mainstream media and he thought covid was a scam. Also said many of his friends thought the same way.

    I spend a lot of time in taxis (it's how I get to the train station) and can personally confirm that several taxi drivers think as you describe
    I was impressed last year in Liverpool when the taxi-driver held forth about the way the City of Culture award had really boosted Liverpool, and the galleries and theatre were great. I realised I harboured dark prejudices about reactionary Sun-reading taxi-drivers and was suitably abashed.
    The Sun is not widely read in Liverpool, taxi drivers or otherwise.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    I have no idea who will win tonight, have not researched the situation and so cannot predict. Best of luck to all those of you who have placed a bet and I hope you make a profit.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    On what basis is it ‘working’?
    Let's see the next Opinium. Single figures!
    You just cherrypicking polls now? There’s a poll out literally tonight with a 21 point lead
    which you choose to ignore presumably? In any case, it’s boring reading your posts on this matter because you have a hypothesis and fit the evidence around it rather than vice versa. Of course, you might end up being right, but droning on about it without any evidence won’t be the reason if you are.
    Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind
    No
    Right, that's it! I'm voting Conservative just to piss you off.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,277
    Labour win with 4K majority IMO.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Farooq said:

    Rutherglen predictions... have I missed anyone?

    + ? @TheScreamingEagles
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4800 @Heathener
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 471 @boulay

    Yes - I said earlier: Labour by 5,216.
    Me - Labour by 1,500 to 2,000
    Point of order - pick a number - A number.
    Allocate the awkward sod 1,750, midpoint of his range.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    One of the candidates in Rutherglen is:

    Prince Ankit Love, Emperor of India
  • Jo Swinson

    'Not have hysterics now are we Nicola'
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    On what basis is it ‘working’?
    Let's see the next Opinium. Single figures!
    You just cherrypicking polls now? There’s a poll out literally tonight with a 21 point lead
    which you choose to ignore presumably? In any case, it’s boring reading your posts on this matter because you have a hypothesis and fit the evidence around it rather than vice versa. Of course, you might end up being right, but droning on about it without any evidence won’t be the reason if you are.
    Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind
    No
    Right, that's it! I'm voting Conservative just to piss you off.
    I thought you already were.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    viewcode said:

    I have no idea who will win tonight, have not researched the situation and so cannot predict. Best of luck to all those of you who have placed a bet and I hope you make a profit.

    I put a small bet on the SNP at 20/1, even though I don't think they'll win. It wasn't worth betting on a Labour victory.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931

    Farooq said:

    Removing TSE then

    SNP WIN
    - 500 @biggles
    - 471 @boulay
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 300 @Luckyguy1983
    TIE
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 250 @Foxy
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +1650 @Pro_Rata
    +1900 @Nico (I assume you mean Labour win?)
    +2000 @Sunil_Prasannan
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4000 @AramintaMoonbeamQC
    +4800 @Heathener
    LABOUR WIN

    Ok, apologies to those I missed, I only scanned the previous thread for replies to me, may have missed others.

    Labour +3000
    Labour +6000
  • Sophy Ridge on Sky posted their poll on the cancellation of HS2

    Correct decision

    Yes 34%
    No 27%
    D/K 39%

    Is that a Voodoo poll?
    Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw wot moved to Haiti? :lol:
  • Labour 5,

    Farooq said:

    Removing TSE then

    SNP WIN
    - 500 @biggles
    - 471 @boulay
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 300 @Luckyguy1983
    TIE
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 250 @Foxy
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +1650 @Pro_Rata
    +1900 @Nico (I assume you mean Labour win?)
    +2000 @Sunil_Prasannan
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +4000 @AramintaMoonbeamQC
    +4800 @Heathener
    LABOUR WIN

    Ok, apologies to those I missed, I only scanned the previous thread for replies to me, may have missed others.

    Labour +3000
    Labour +6000
    Labour 5,000
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    On what basis is it ‘working’?
    Let's see the next Opinium. Single figures!
    You just cherrypicking polls now? There’s a poll out literally tonight with a 21 point lead
    which you choose to ignore presumably? In any case, it’s boring reading your posts on this matter because you have a hypothesis and fit the evidence around it rather than vice versa. Of course, you might end up being right, but droning on about it without any evidence won’t be the reason if you are.
    Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind
    No
    Right, that's it! I'm voting Conservative just to piss you off.
    I thought you already were.
    I have never once voted Tory, but you've asked for it now!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    viewcode said:

    Farooq said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Who exactly is qualified to wield power but also willing to utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes?

    My judgement of the former would be somewhat* tempered by the latter.

    *utterly
    In Turchin terms, "elites" is a simple synonym for "power havers". "Elite overproduction" is when people capable of wielding power (I used the word "qualified" above, which misled, my apologies) are denied it thru simple lack of powerful positions. He uses it to refer to well-educated people with professional/academic positions who have sufficient interest in the world and sufficient time to formulate theories.

    Here's a thing: Lenin trained to be a lawyer, Stalin a priest, Mao a teacher/librarian, Hitler an artist. All in different circumstances would be comfortable professionals. But lacking a outlet for their gifts and surrounded by disaffected, they went into politics, won, overthrew the existing order and remade the world...and we spent fifty years cleaning up after them.

    Although not in the same league (obvs) consider somebody like Matthew Goodwin. A man of considerable gifts and academic achievement, he has the time and intelligence to build an underlying theory of the world and the desire to change the world accordingly. But in a nation of 68 million people (69, 70...remember, it's increasing) and only 650 seats at the top level and a few thou(?) at devolved level, he cannot wield the power he believes to be his right.

    So my answer to your question is "...well-educated people/autodidacts with professional/academic positions who have sufficient interest in the world, sufficient time to formulate theories, and sufficient resources to pursue power..."

    Does that answer your question?
    Goodwined the thread good and proper with that one.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    Farooq said:


    And me - Labour by 3800.

    Apologies

    SNP WIN
    - 500 @biggles
    - 471 @boulay
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 300 @Luckyguy1983
    TIE
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 250 @Foxy
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +1650 @Pro_Rata
    +1900 @Nico (I assume you mean Labour win?)
    +2000 @Sunil_Prasannan
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +3800 @NickPalmer
    +4000 @AramintaMoonbeamQC
    +4800 @Heathener
    LABOUR WIN
    I should be SNP win by 250, so -250 , not +250.

    I reckon Nats are very sticky, but sounds as if I may well be completely out.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford

    Exclusive:

    Rishi Sunak has not seen a “conference bounce” in polls despite unveiling a string of high-profile policies

    Yougov poll for Times finds Labour retains a 21 point lead

    Ban on cigarette sales very popular; opinion mixed on HS2 & A-levels

    @Mexicanpete please explain
    I didn't say yesterday's policies including Streeting's cigarette ban are necessarily positive.

    What I suggested was Sunak/Cummings are rather clever in salting the earth in the event of a Labour win. It lays the land for a Labour government to fail quickly and a swift return for the Tories. I don't think we have ever seen this before in the UK, but Cummings is a strange lad. Has he thought through a Sunak win though?
    That was just yesterday. Every day seemingly you are droning about ‘game changers’ and LBC audiences and blah blah fucking blah, I don’t know if it’s reverse psychology or what, but you are like broken record.
    Dura Ace explained a couple of weeks ago how to block posts from specific posters. I suggest you scroll back and have a look and follow his instructions.
    Why would I want to block you? Usually your posts are great, but in recent weeks you have become this weird Sunak booster. Why?
    The Conservatives are going to claw back the victory. This is not like '97 it is like '92. The media are incredibly hostile which they weren't in '97 and Starmer is unfortunately an utter clown. Granted, not in the same league as Corbyn but an incompetent loser nonetheless.

    I listened to the whole if Sunak's speech and I thought it was drops. The media interpretation has been somewhat more positive. Mainstream media have captured this insanity that Sunak is the "change" candidate, which you have to admit is pure Cummings insanity, but it's working.
    On what basis is it ‘working’?
    Let's see the next Opinium. Single figures!
    You just cherrypicking polls now? There’s a poll out literally tonight with a 21 point lead
    which you choose to ignore presumably? In any case, it’s boring reading your posts on this matter because you have a hypothesis and fit the evidence around it rather than vice versa. Of course, you might end up being right, but droning on about it without any evidence won’t be the reason if you are.
    Pot calling the kettle black comes to mind
    No
    Right, that's it! I'm voting Conservative just to piss you off.
    I thought you already were.
    I have never once voted Tory, but you've asked for it now!
    Up to you.
  • Foxy said:

    Farooq said:


    And me - Labour by 3800.

    Apologies

    SNP WIN
    - 500 @biggles
    - 471 @boulay
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 300 @Luckyguy1983
    TIE
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 250 @Foxy
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +1650 @Pro_Rata
    +1900 @Nico (I assume you mean Labour win?)
    +2000 @Sunil_Prasannan
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +3800 @NickPalmer
    +4000 @AramintaMoonbeamQC
    +4800 @Heathener
    LABOUR WIN
    I should be SNP win by 250, so -250 , not +250.

    I reckon Nats are very sticky, but sounds as if I may well be completely out.
    Lab +3400
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    The interesting thing will be applying the swing from SNP to Lab to all the other SNP seats in Scotland to see how many they would hold onto if Rutherglen is typical.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    viewcode said:

    Farooq said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cookie said:

    So after all that, Labour are going to do exactly the same. Come on Labour, pull your fingers out:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/05/keir-starmer-will-not-commit-reverse-rishi-sunak-hs2-cut/

    Not fair to Sir K. He has unavoidably not made a commitment. To do so is to fall into the trap set for him - it's a massive spending commitment he cannot make before an election. Sir K can't commit to an extra billion let alone many billions. But he has left the door open. Expect lots more of this.
    Indeed. The Tories must think Royale is stupid. He is many things, but stupid is not one of them.
    But in theory this isn't about money. Both sides are saying they'd spend the money
    This article should be read by everyone interested in politics and economics

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/04/financial-crisis-political-class-lies/
    You may be interested to know that I think he's 100% wrong. I'm going thru Peter Turchin's "End Times"[1] at the moment and I think he (Turchin) is right. The combination of popular immiseration and elite overproduction have led to the potential for revolution, where people qualified to wield power but denied it utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes. Allister Heath's prescription would just make the miserable poor more miserable and more poor, and that'll only make things worse.

    Recall my past comments on Pensionerism. The preponderance of wealthy elderly means that old ideas will persist even when they stop working, and new ideas for a new age will die stillborn. The cure you prefer would have worked in a neoliberal age, but that age stopped around 2015. The current condition - retreating globalisation, less trade, more migration waves - require new solutions, and the old ways won't work. We have just spent two years pushing on a string with higher interest rates, and were surprised it didn't work. Making mistakes is one thing, but failing to learn from them is another.

    [1] https://www.waterstones.com/book/end-times/peter-turchin//9780241553480
    Who exactly is qualified to wield power but also willing to utilise disaffected masses to overthrow regimes?

    My judgement of the former would be somewhat* tempered by the latter.

    *utterly
    In Turchin terms, "elites" is a simple synonym for "power havers". "Elite overproduction" is when people capable of wielding power (I used the word "qualified" above, which misled, my apologies) are denied it thru simple lack of powerful positions. He uses it to refer to well-educated people with professional/academic positions who have sufficient interest in the world and sufficient time to formulate theories.

    Here's a thing: Lenin trained to be a lawyer, Stalin a priest, Mao a teacher/librarian, Hitler an artist. All in different circumstances would be comfortable professionals. But lacking a outlet for their gifts and surrounded by disaffected, they went into politics, won, overthrew the existing order and remade the world...and we spent fifty years cleaning up after them.

    Although not in the same league (obvs) consider somebody like Matthew Goodwin. A man of considerable gifts and academic achievement, he has the time and intelligence to build an underlying theory of the world and the desire to change the world accordingly. But in a nation of 68 million people (69, 70...remember, it's increasing) and only 650 seats at the top level and a few thou(?) at devolved level, he cannot wield the power he believes to be his right.

    So my answer to your question is "...well-educated people/autodidacts with professional/academic positions who have sufficient interest in the world, sufficient time to formulate theories, and sufficient resources to pursue power..."

    Does that answer your question?
    So you are suggesting Matt Goodwin is a future dictator of the United Kingdom? Sounds more like a spoof
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    Farooq said:


    And me - Labour by 3800.

    Apologies

    SNP WIN
    - 500 @biggles
    - 471 @boulay
    - 300 @rottenborough
    - 300 @Luckyguy1983
    TIE
    + 25 @OldKingCole
    + 25 @TimS
    + 250 @Foxy
    + 666 @Omnium
    + 700 @Benpointer
    +1500 @Andy_JS
    +1650 @Pro_Rata
    +1900 @Nico (I assume you mean Labour win?)
    +2000 @Sunil_Prasannan
    +2048 @Farooq
    +3000 @londonpubman
    +3800 @NickPalmer
    +4000 @AramintaMoonbeamQC
    +4800 @Heathener
    LABOUR WIN
    I should be SNP win by 250, so -250 , not +250.

    I reckon Nats are very sticky, but sounds as if I may well be completely out.
    Sorry, updated it at my end but not posting list after embarrassing list every time someone points out another mistake.

    Can you tell I've been at the whisky?

    I'll update in the morning if nobody else does it overnight.
    No problem.

    I have just been watching Local Hero, recorded the other night, and somehow missed by me previously.

    Strangely topical in its story of opening a Scottish offshore oilfield, left behind town and Environmentalism. I rather liked it.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,695
    +1690 Lab
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