Angela Rayner refusing to commit Labour to keeping the triple lock .
It’s clear the country can’t afford the lock and it would be ridiculous to see a scenario where inflation has fallen to say 4% but pensioners receive an 8.5 % increase in April .
However pensioners are unlikely to take kindly to the lock being downgraded and Labour politically will suffer .
The sensible thing is for cross party agreement on a change but this won’t happen and with an election coming the Tories will ensure the triple lock even if that means cuts elsewhere .
A long Mail article describing physician/anaesthesia associates and the new medical apprenticeship schemes.
A lot of doctors have deep misgivings about PA and AA staff acting way beyond their competences, and with only nominal supervision.
To be fair, most doctors have deep misgivings about anesthesiologists generally.
To be fair lots of people have lots of misgivings about lots of Doctors, there are plenty of crap Doctors.
Indeed, anaesthesia is dangerous but is that a sound reason to replace a doctor with 9 years of postgraduate training with a non-doctor with two?
The other big issue is informed consent. A lot of Physician Assistants are not clear to patients that they are not, and never will be medically qualified.
Doctors, nurses, physios etc are all heavily regulated professions, but these new grades are evolving without that.
For me the Tories have totally F***ed the NHS, you have to pray you do not get ill nowadays.
The NHS has been a basket case for decades, Malc.
Just on the numbers, the Tories have been in power for most of those decades. All their good work done by short, sharp doses of Labour I imagine.
Institutionally the NHS doesn't care. That is the root cause. Some 85yr old dies when they needn't have? Who cares. No one because there is no accountability and the only time we scratch the surface and see the rotten core of the institution is when there is something even the NHS can't hide ie Letby, although not for the want of trying, or a whistleblower which they attempt to stamp on.
But yes let's get those saucepans out and make some noise, you people.
Marginally finance-related but look what happened when GB pumped money into it - a huge waste. The NHS needs a complete overhaul but it's not going to happen.
Tell me you haven't had an incident where the NHS has behaved shockingly.
Edit: oh and pop yourself onto the BBC news app right now to see what the main headline is. Just for a laugh.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
You have a whole series of made up prejudicial assumptions there.
Looks pretty clear cut to me, or am I missing something?
There appears to be several examples of dangerous driving, and one of reversing further than necessary. (In fact it is not clear why he is reversing at all.)
Hard to understand why there was no prosecution. Looks an easy nick to me.
Hard to understand? I did wonder who was a member of which lodge...?
A long Mail article describing physician/anaesthesia associates and the new medical apprenticeship schemes.
A lot of doctors have deep misgivings about PA and AA staff acting way beyond their competences, and with only nominal supervision.
To be fair, most doctors have deep misgivings about anesthesiologists generally.
To be fair lots of people have lots of misgivings about lots of Doctors, there are plenty of crap Doctors.
Indeed, anaesthesia is dangerous but is that a sound reason to replace a doctor with 9 years of postgraduate training with a non-doctor with two?
The other big issue is informed consent. A lot of Physician Assistants are not clear to patients that they are not, and never will be medically qualified.
Doctors, nurses, physios etc are all heavily regulated professions, but these new grades are evolving without that.
For me the Tories have totally F***ed the NHS, you have to pray you do not get ill nowadays.
The NHS has been a basket case for decades, Malc.
Topping , It has deteriorated big time in last decade though, Labour at least tried to stem the tide and helped things improve for a bit.
Hmm, don't see any Tory MPs for southern constituencies complaining aboutd this, or government ministers expressing regret, rather than making up fictional offers to treat people from Scotland down south "to help with waiting lists". But good to see people being treated.
8.5% will be the rise in pensions next year under the triple lock.
Same as average earnings, then. Sounds reasonable.
Also it's not "pensions"; it's the state pension.
And occupational pensions
Aren't most of them capped so dont allow these relatively big rises?
My teachers pension went up the same percentage as state this year.
Whereas I believe didn't current teacher's salaries go up by a significantly lower percentage?
Pretty messed up to be raising the pay of former teachers by considerably more than current ones. Especially considering many current teachers will also have the graduate tax to pay and will be renting etc too.
Which is no disrespect to you. The problem is the way current employees are being treated - and then with fiscal drag on top to add insult to injury.
Normally I would agree, but pensions are much smaller than the salaries, so a percentage increase comparison means pension increase is less real money.
But that's just a function of salaries being higher, not a like-for-like comparison. Its also more than offset (typically, not always) by a pensioner living rent-free and mortgage-free in their home.
A percentage increase matching inflation means like-for-like comparing pensions one year to pensions the prior year means that the pay was the same pre-fiscal drag as it was before. And given our current broken tax system, fiscal drag affects pensions much less (as no NI, and no graduate tax) so fiscal drag means a much small decline.
Whereas for salaries declining in real terms even pre-fiscal drag, combined with much more fiscal drag (an early career teacher would be on a minimum of 41% tax as a lower tax rate employee).
That's not to say all pensioners have it cushy, of course that's not the case, but like-for-like current employees are being treated much worse.
8.5% will be the rise in pensions next year under the triple lock.
Same as average earnings, then. Sounds reasonable.
Also it's not "pensions"; it's the state pension.
And occupational pensions
Aren't most of them capped so dont allow these relatively big rises?
My teachers pension went up the same percentage as state this year.
Whereas I believe didn't current teacher's salaries go up by a significantly lower percentage?
Pretty messed up to be raising the pay of former teachers by considerably more than current ones. Especially considering many current teachers will also have the graduate tax to pay and will be renting etc too.
Which is no disrespect to you. The problem is the way current employees are being treated - and then with fiscal drag on top to add insult to injury.
Talking of which,
Only half of the required number of trainee secondary school teachers in England have been recruited as the academic year gets under way, analysis shows.
Who has democracy failed more than the youngest? With threats of climate change, the unwillingness to invest in necessary infrastructure and the global neoliberal consensus only interested in putting the young through a sausage grinder to take increasingly crap jobs for crap pay, I'm not surprised that 18 - 35 year olds doubt democracy the most:
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
What I really hate about things like this (similar to the books about the White House 3 or so years later) is that journalists could be respected figures because they break these stories when they are relevant and therefore allow the public to use the knowledge to shape events, rather than act as a means of people settling narrative scores after the fact. If May was shit from the get go, we had a right to know. Instead of saying it at the time, being unpopular with the politicians and maybe losing some access, we have this piece of garbage where all the gossip gets spread, Kuenssberg gets to flex her network muscles and anything that is truly important gets told to us 3-5 years after anyone could do anything about it.
Agreed.
There is, of course, something of a trade off between reporting without inhibition, and maintaining access to those in power.
But it's lazy journalism to act as the willing stenographer for whatever line those in power are pushing ... and it's effectively acting as a state propagandist, irrespective of your good intentions half a decade down the line.
What I really hate about things like this (similar to the books about the White House 3 or so years later) is that journalists could be respected figures because they break these stories when they are relevant and therefore allow the public to use the knowledge to shape events, rather than act as a means of people settling narrative scores after the fact. If May was shit from the get go, we had a right to know. Instead of saying it at the time, being unpopular with the politicians and maybe losing some access, we have this piece of garbage where all the gossip gets spread, Kuenssberg gets to flex her network muscles and anything that is truly important gets told to us 3-5 years after anyone could do anything about it.
The people talking to the journalists won’t do so until 3-5 years later.
Then do some actual journalism and find it out without those people as your sources. When the only people you're willing to use as sources are the same people you have drinks with at the Spectator garden party, you aren't a journalist - you're just a glorified courtier.
Thus, 100%.
I'd add that if more journalists refused to play the game, politicians would have to talk to them anyway. Remove their mouthpieces, and they'd still want to get the exposure.
I won’t watch it because I’ll end up hurling the TV out the window in rage. Reading that article has got my blood pressure up.
What a fucking shambles the Conservatives have brought us. Wrecked decades, nay centuries, of statesmanship, fractured economic ties, diminished us globally. Reduced my freedom, stripped me of my rights. For what? For nothing other than to appease the nutters, the far-right libertarians with their inane theories, the reactionaries, the racists and xenophobes, the nostalgists.
I’m coming to the end of four superb days in Berlin. Four days in a country that doesn’t feel like it’s falling apart, that feels like it gives a fuck about its citizens, where everything works and the public realm isn’t withering before your eyes.
I want my EU citizenship back. I will never forgive the Conservative Party for what they have done, for the lies their founders and members told, brazenly and repeatedly, to deliver the insanity of Brexit.
What a load of dribbling, effeminate, fetch-my-nappy shitearsery
I’ve just spent five days in the Welsh Marches, it was beautiful, thriving (one city apart), contented, and peaceful. This portrait of Britain that you possess is imaginary. It is a tiny mad picture in your tiny mad head. I am glad we had Brexit just BECAUSE it fucks up feckers like you. If only we could have more Brexit to drive you even madder. Extra Brexit with every meal. Ultra-Brexit for afters. Brexitopam as a sleeping pill. UNIVERSAL BREXIT INCOME
i imagine Brexit as a massive great Brexit Bully XL and I see you running into the Texaco garage of Remoaner tossery, forever
Asda have bags of apples, pears, oranges and bananas for between 69p and 89p.
The pears are surprisingly good.
Perhaps the next time a politicians froths about supermarket petrol prices increasing they should remember they need to make a profit somewhere if they're to subsidise prices elsewhere.
I won’t watch it because I’ll end up hurling the TV out the window in rage. Reading that article has got my blood pressure up.
What a fucking shambles the Conservatives have brought us. Wrecked decades, nay centuries, of statesmanship, fractured economic ties, diminished us globally. Reduced my freedom, stripped me of my rights. For what? For nothing other than to appease the nutters, the far-right libertarians with their inane theories, the reactionaries, the racists and xenophobes, the nostalgists.
I’m coming to the end of four superb days in Berlin. Four days in a country that doesn’t feel like it’s falling apart, that feels like it gives a fuck about its citizens, where everything works and the public realm isn’t withering before your eyes.
I want my EU citizenship back. I will never forgive the Conservative Party for what they have done, for the lies their founders and members told, brazenly and repeatedly, to deliver the insanity of Brexit.
What a load of dribbling, effeminate, fetch-my-nappy shitearsery
I’ve just spent five days in the Welsh Marches, it was beautiful, thriving (one city apart), contented, and peaceful. This portrait of Britain that you possess is imaginary. It is a tiny mad picture in your tiny mad head. I am glad we had Brexit just BECAUSE it fucks up feckers like you. If only we could have more Brexit to drive you even madder. Extra Brexit with every meal. Ultra-Brexit for afters. Brexitopam as a sleeping pill. UNIVERSAL BREXIT INCOME
i imagine Brexit as a massive great Brexit Bully XL and I see you running into the Texaco garage of Remoaner tossery, forever
Angela Rayner refusing to commit Labour to keeping the triple lock .
It’s clear the country can’t afford the lock and it would be ridiculous to see a scenario where inflation has fallen to say 4% but pensioners receive an 8.5 % increase in April .
However pensioners are unlikely to take kindly to the lock being downgraded and Labour politically will suffer .
The sensible thing is for cross party agreement on a change but this won’t happen and with an election coming the Tories will ensure the triple lock even if that means cuts elsewhere .
Tories are wondering whether to trade it for tax cuts.
I won’t watch it because I’ll end up hurling the TV out the window in rage. Reading that article has got my blood pressure up.
What a fucking shambles the Conservatives have brought us. Wrecked decades, nay centuries, of statesmanship, fractured economic ties, diminished us globally. Reduced my freedom, stripped me of my rights. For what? For nothing other than to appease the nutters, the far-right libertarians with their inane theories, the reactionaries, the racists and xenophobes, the nostalgists.
I’m coming to the end of four superb days in Berlin. Four days in a country that doesn’t feel like it’s falling apart, that feels like it gives a fuck about its citizens, where everything works and the public realm isn’t withering before your eyes.
I want my EU citizenship back. I will never forgive the Conservative Party for what they have done, for the lies their founders and members told, brazenly and repeatedly, to deliver the insanity of Brexit.
What a load of dribbling, effeminate, fetch-my-nappy shitearsery
I’ve just spent five days in the Welsh Marches, it was beautiful, thriving (one city apart), contented, and peaceful. This portrait of Britain that you possess is imaginary. It is a tiny mad picture in your tiny mad head. I am glad we had Brexit just BECAUSE it fucks up feckers like you. If only we could have more Brexit to drive you even madder. Extra Brexit with every meal. Ultra-Brexit for afters. Brexitopam as a sleeping pill. UNIVERSAL BREXIT INCOME
i imagine Brexit as a massive great Brexit Bully XL and I see you running into the Texaco garage of Remoaner tossery, forever
And then massive great Brexit Bully XL is shot by the appropriate authorities and society lived happily ever after.
For someone who’s been continually shitting himself over devil dogs for the last few 24/7s, interesting that you identify your cause with said dogs.
Asda have bags of apples, pears, oranges and bananas for between 69p and 89p.
The pears are surprisingly good.
Perhaps the next time a politicians froths about supermarket petrol prices increasing they should remember they need to make a profit somewhere if they're to subsidise prices elsewhere.
Poor old Supermarkets
Have you seen their profits and how they have faired in recent years
"On the anniversary of the incompetent Jeremy Corbyn becoming Labour Leader, I ask, who has been the worst former Leader of the Labour Party in the 21st century?"
Despite the intro Blair currently leads on 48% with Jezza, Brown and EICIPM trailing
A long Mail article describing physician/anaesthesia associates and the new medical apprenticeship schemes.
A lot of doctors have deep misgivings about PA and AA staff acting way beyond their competences, and with only nominal supervision.
To be fair, most doctors have deep misgivings about anesthesiologists generally.
To be fair lots of people have lots of misgivings about lots of Doctors, there are plenty of crap Doctors.
Indeed, anaesthesia is dangerous but is that a sound reason to replace a doctor with 9 years of postgraduate training with a non-doctor with two?
The other big issue is informed consent. A lot of Physician Assistants are not clear to patients that they are not, and never will be medically qualified.
Doctors, nurses, physios etc are all heavily regulated professions, but these new grades are evolving without that.
For me the Tories have totally F***ed the NHS, you have to pray you do not get ill nowadays.
The NHS has been a basket case for decades, Malc.
Just on the numbers, the Tories have been in power for most of those decades. All their good work done by short, sharp doses of Labour I imagine.
Institutionally the NHS doesn't care. That is the root cause. Some 85yr old dies when they needn't have? Who cares. No one because there is no accountability and the only time we scratch the surface and see the rotten core of the institution is when there is something even the NHS can't hide ie Letby, although not for the want of trying, or a whistleblower which they attempt to stamp on.
But yes let's get those saucepans out and make some noise, you people.
Marginally finance-related but look what happened when GB pumped money into it - a huge waste. The NHS needs a complete overhaul but it's not going to happen.
Tell me you haven't had an incident where the NHS has behaved shockingly.
Edit: oh and pop yourself onto the BBC news app right now to see what the main headline is. Just for a laugh.
Can’t be much arsed with an anecdata waving contest but as it happens I’ve not had a really terrible experience with the NHS. I’m currently resigned to waiting months for an ENT appointment but my local surgery has been exemplary, luck of the draw I suppose.
Asda have bags of apples, pears, oranges and bananas for between 69p and 89p.
The pears are surprisingly good.
Perhaps the next time a politicians froths about supermarket petrol prices increasing they should remember they need to make a profit somewhere if they're to subsidise prices elsewhere.
Poor old Supermarkets
Have you seen their profits and how they have faired in recent years
Why shouldn't they make profits ?
Anyone can open a shop if they think they can do better.
Angela Rayner refusing to commit Labour to keeping the triple lock .
It’s clear the country can’t afford the lock and it would be ridiculous to see a scenario where inflation has fallen to say 4% but pensioners receive an 8.5 % increase in April .
However pensioners are unlikely to take kindly to the lock being downgraded and Labour politically will suffer .
The sensible thing is for cross party agreement on a change but this won’t happen and with an election coming the Tories will ensure the triple lock even if that means cuts elsewhere .
May I propose the Tory election winner - the quintuple lock, basically the triple lock plus MPs earnings and house price inflation. After all it is only fair that pensioners are rewarded for the electoral block vote and can continue to afford a bit of rentierism to keep them occupied in their spare time.
Some highlights: people globally want action on climate change, corruption and poverty, less bothered about migration. Only 62% think democracy is superior to all other forms of govermnent (UK only 58% - far below e.g. Italy with 69%). 33% would be comfortable with a military regime, especially younger voters - in Britain that's 22%, vs 29% in the US and 27% in Russia. Lots of developing countries think a military regime wojuld be fine, e.g. 63% in Egypt, 60% in India. 17% of Brits think that leaders shouldn't bother with elections, but that's low on the international scale - it's 29% in the US, eek.
Nearly everyone likes human rights, including things you might expect to be controversial like trans rights, but developing countries (and 34% of Americans) tend to think the West weaponises them against poorer countries. Nearly everyone worries about political violence next year, except in China, though the UK, Japan and Russia aren't too bothered. 55% of the UK want to open more safe and legal routes for refugees (Russia and Germany aren't keen). China is expected to be the most important country by 2030, and most people are fine with that (45-25), but not in the UK (49-16 against).
So some encouraging results, some worrying ones, but overall really interesting.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
You have a whole series of made up prejudicial assumptions there.
Looks pretty clear cut to me, or am I missing something?
There appears to be several examples of dangerous driving, and one of reversing further than necessary. (In fact it is not clear why he is reversing at all.)
Hard to understand why there was no prosecution. Looks an easy nick to me.
Hard to understand? I did wonder who was a member of which lodge...?
That seems to be a consensus around that clip. Someone knew someone.
Given it is North Yorks, perhaps via a family relationship, Country Sports organisation or gun club?
Given that there are no real national standards on action around this type of incident, and certain police forces are lackadaisical or worse, there's plenty of room for low-level corruption 'amongst friends'. Given what we see elsewhere in police forces, it would hardly be a surprise.
Ashley Neal has a clip where he thinks a similar thing happened - an (alleged) ex-police officer knocked a bike rider off deliberately, and it was NFAd (no further action), and quashed, including a series of out and out misrepresentations. It's an ~10 minute clip:
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Asda have bags of apples, pears, oranges and bananas for between 69p and 89p.
The pears are surprisingly good.
Perhaps the next time a politicians froths about supermarket petrol prices increasing they should remember they need to make a profit somewhere if they're to subsidise prices elsewhere.
Poor old Supermarkets
Have you seen their profits and how they have faired in recent years
Why shouldn't they make profits ?
Anyone can open a shop if they think they can do better.
I won’t watch it because I’ll end up hurling the TV out the window in rage. Reading that article has got my blood pressure up.
What a fucking shambles the Conservatives have brought us. Wrecked decades, nay centuries, of statesmanship, fractured economic ties, diminished us globally. Reduced my freedom, stripped me of my rights. For what? For nothing other than to appease the nutters, the far-right libertarians with their inane theories, the reactionaries, the racists and xenophobes, the nostalgists.
I’m coming to the end of four superb days in Berlin. Four days in a country that doesn’t feel like it’s falling apart, that feels like it gives a fuck about its citizens, where everything works and the public realm isn’t withering before your eyes.
I want my EU citizenship back. I will never forgive the Conservative Party for what they have done, for the lies their founders and members told, brazenly and repeatedly, to deliver the insanity of Brexit.
What a load of dribbling, effeminate, fetch-my-nappy shitearsery
I’ve just spent five days in the Welsh Marches, it was beautiful, thriving (one city apart), contented, and peaceful. This portrait of Britain that you possess is imaginary. It is a tiny mad picture in your tiny mad head. I am glad we had Brexit just BECAUSE it fucks up feckers like you. If only we could have more Brexit to drive you even madder. Extra Brexit with every meal. Ultra-Brexit for afters. Brexitopam as a sleeping pill. UNIVERSAL BREXIT INCOME
i imagine Brexit as a massive great Brexit Bully XL and I see you running into the Texaco garage of Remoaner tossery, forever
And then massive great Brexit Bully XL is shot by the appropriate authorities and society lived happily ever after.
For someone who’s been continually shitting himself over devil dogs for the last few 24/7s, interesting that you identify your cause with said dogs.
A long Mail article describing physician/anaesthesia associates and the new medical apprenticeship schemes.
A lot of doctors have deep misgivings about PA and AA staff acting way beyond their competences, and with only nominal supervision.
To be fair, most doctors have deep misgivings about anesthesiologists generally.
To be fair lots of people have lots of misgivings about lots of Doctors, there are plenty of crap Doctors.
Indeed, anaesthesia is dangerous but is that a sound reason to replace a doctor with 9 years of postgraduate training with a non-doctor with two?
The other big issue is informed consent. A lot of Physician Assistants are not clear to patients that they are not, and never will be medically qualified.
Doctors, nurses, physios etc are all heavily regulated professions, but these new grades are evolving without that.
For me the Tories have totally F***ed the NHS, you have to pray you do not get ill nowadays.
The NHS has been a basket case for decades, Malc.
Just on the numbers, the Tories have been in power for most of those decades. All their good work done by short, sharp doses of Labour I imagine.
Institutionally the NHS doesn't care. That is the root cause. Some 85yr old dies when they needn't have? Who cares. No one because there is no accountability and the only time we scratch the surface and see the rotten core of the institution is when there is something even the NHS can't hide ie Letby, although not for the want of trying, or a whistleblower which they attempt to stamp on.
But yes let's get those saucepans out and make some noise, you people.
Marginally finance-related but look what happened when GB pumped money into it - a huge waste. The NHS needs a complete overhaul but it's not going to happen.
Tell me you haven't had an incident where the NHS has behaved shockingly.
Edit: oh and pop yourself onto the BBC news app right now to see what the main headline is. Just for a laugh.
Can’t be much arsed with an anecdata waving contest but as it happens I’ve not had a really terrible experience with the NHS. I’m currently resigned to waiting months for an ENT appointment but my local surgery has been exemplary, luck of the draw I suppose.
Well, I’m recovering after a nasty operation and the GP’s are very good.
Angela Rayner refusing to commit Labour to keeping the triple lock .
It’s clear the country can’t afford the lock and it would be ridiculous to see a scenario where inflation has fallen to say 4% but pensioners receive an 8.5 % increase in April .
However pensioners are unlikely to take kindly to the lock being downgraded and Labour politically will suffer .
The sensible thing is for cross party agreement on a change but this won’t happen and with an election coming the Tories will ensure the triple lock even if that means cuts elsewhere .
May I propose the Tory election winner - the quintuple lock, basically the triple lock plus MPs earnings and house price inflation. After all it is only fair that pensioners are rewarded for the electoral block vote and can continue to afford a bit of rentierism to keep them occupied in their spare time.
They might have the idea to link the inheritance tax threshold with the higher of inflation or house price inflation.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
If somebody gets "really scared" by not being hit by a car then they've got insufficient emotional control for cycling in traffic anyway. Shouting at cars achieves exactly nothing.
"On the anniversary of the incompetent Jeremy Corbyn becoming Labour Leader, I ask, who has been the worst former Leader of the Labour Party in the 21st century?"
Despite the intro Blair currently leads on 48% with Jezza, Brown and EICIPM trailing
LOL
As a genuine question for you, BJO, what do you think the route is from here for the Labour left?
I mean, they were running Labour just four years ago, and the future seemed to belong to them at least within the Party. Today, they are pretty irrelevant, and it all looks like a tiny group who fetishise Corbyn and sneer about Labour's most electorally successful leader, and the people who replaced them on social media. I don't really understand how they have fallen so far, so fast, and what the plan is for revival.
What will happen to the Republicans if Trump is excluded under the 'no one who has been involved in insurrection shall be an officer of the United States' clause of the Constitution?
There are now lawsuits to have that clause used in several States, and States' Officials are seriously thinking about how they would deal with it.
Asda have bags of apples, pears, oranges and bananas for between 69p and 89p.
The pears are surprisingly good.
Perhaps the next time a politicians froths about supermarket petrol prices increasing they should remember they need to make a profit somewhere if they're to subsidise prices elsewhere.
Poor old Supermarkets
Have you seen their profits and how they have faired in recent years
Why shouldn't they make profits ?
Anyone can open a shop if they think they can do better.
Anyone?
Yes. Anyone. You can open a shop if you want to. And if you want to sell food there are a stack of distributors and brands (Spar etc) who will give you money and assistance if you join them.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
I would suggest that the 4x4 driver may bung the Quadbike Driver (whom he may know) some cash, and the dog would quite possibly be quietly shot and buried.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
The Kuga is video'd driving backwards for a reckless and illegal distance. Were I the quad bike driver and providing that it was licensed for road use, perhaps sue the driver for the costs.
They may not be charging him. But the video evidence is unambiguous, the law is clear, and in a civil case the bar is lower...
Asda have bags of apples, pears, oranges and bananas for between 69p and 89p.
The pears are surprisingly good.
Perhaps the next time a politicians froths about supermarket petrol prices increasing they should remember they need to make a profit somewhere if they're to subsidise prices elsewhere.
Poor old Supermarkets
Have you seen their profits and how they have faired in recent years
Why shouldn't they make profits ?
Anyone can open a shop if they think they can do better.
Anyone?
Yes. Anyone. You can open a shop if you want to. And if you want to sell food there are a stack of distributors and brands (Spar etc) who will give you money and assistance if you join them.
Checking out my Polish Mini-supermarket mentioned yesterday, the salami seems to be at about half of ASDA-price.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
I didn't mention because it wasn't the topic of the discussion, but the quad biker owner was seriously at fault for not tethering the dog who could have jumped out at any time. About the only person who was blameless was the cyclist.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
The driver. Obviously. Next.
One would hope that the driver - clearly distraught at the scene - would offer to pay without any prompting.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
If somebody gets "really scared" by not being hit by a car then they've got insufficient emotional control for cycling in traffic anyway. Shouting at cars achieves exactly nothing.
Agree and I never have and this person didn't really anyway. It was a pretty mild reaction, but even having said that you have to be made of steel not to be unsettled by a wing mirror clipping your handlebars.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
The Kuga is video'd driving backwards for a reckless and illegal distance. Were I the quad bike driver and providing that it was licensed for road use, perhaps sue the driver for the costs.
They may not be charging him. But the video evidence is unambiguous, the law is clear, and in a civil case the bar is lower...
Not seen the video so not commenting on that, but reversing a long way is a great way to burn out your clutch and lead to hefty repair bills so a stupid idea unless necessary anyway.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
If somebody gets "really scared" by not being hit by a car then they've got insufficient emotional control for cycling in traffic anyway. Shouting at cars achieves exactly nothing.
Agree and I never have and this person didn't really anyway. It was a pretty mild reaction, but even having said that you have to be made of steel not to be unsettled by a wing mirror clipping your handlebars.
The car didn't clip him or touch him. He was just being a windy c**t.
If you reverse at speed up a country lane and run over a dog BUT the dog is a Bully XL BUT the dog is being used to grow a kidney to save the life of a child BUT the child is an illegal immigrant BUT
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A long Mail article describing physician/anaesthesia associates and the new medical apprenticeship schemes.
A lot of doctors have deep misgivings about PA and AA staff acting way beyond their competences, and with only nominal supervision.
To be fair, most doctors have deep misgivings about anesthesiologists generally.
To be fair lots of people have lots of misgivings about lots of Doctors, there are plenty of crap Doctors.
Indeed, anaesthesia is dangerous but is that a sound reason to replace a doctor with 9 years of postgraduate training with a non-doctor with two?
The other big issue is informed consent. A lot of Physician Assistants are not clear to patients that they are not, and never will be medically qualified.
Doctors, nurses, physios etc are all heavily regulated professions, but these new grades are evolving without that.
For me the Tories have totally F***ed the NHS, you have to pray you do not get ill nowadays.
The NHS has been a basket case for decades, Malc.
Just on the numbers, the Tories have been in power for most of those decades. All their good work done by short, sharp doses of Labour I imagine.
Institutionally the NHS doesn't care. That is the root cause. Some 85yr old dies when they needn't have? Who cares. No one because there is no accountability and the only time we scratch the surface and see the rotten core of the institution is when there is something even the NHS can't hide ie Letby, although not for the want of trying, or a whistleblower which they attempt to stamp on.
But yes let's get those saucepans out and make some noise, you people.
Marginally finance-related but look what happened when GB pumped money into it - a huge waste. The NHS needs a complete overhaul but it's not going to happen.
Tell me you haven't had an incident where the NHS has behaved shockingly.
Edit: oh and pop yourself onto the BBC news app right now to see what the main headline is. Just for a laugh.
Can’t be much arsed with an anecdata waving contest but as it happens I’ve not had a really terrible experience with the NHS. I’m currently resigned to waiting months for an ENT appointment but my local surgery has been exemplary, luck of the draw I suppose.
Luck of the draw explains the NHS completely. Should it really be like that.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
The Kuga is video'd driving backwards for a reckless and illegal distance. Were I the quad bike driver and providing that it was licensed for road use, perhaps sue the driver for the costs.
They may not be charging him. But the video evidence is unambiguous, the law is clear, and in a civil case the bar is lower...
Not seen the video so not commenting on that, but reversing a long way is a great way to burn out your clutch and lead to hefty repair bills so a stupid idea unless necessary anyway.
Sadly there is a whole rabbit warren you can fall down of such clips. Some som egregiously terrible driving. Some the same for cyclists. Some have driver(s) and cyclist(s) as some kind of Lord who get to punish others.
Its nice when you get clips like these ones where its blatantly obvious who is at fault. So that when the police react in a blatant and rather funny manner we can all point and laugh.
Our police aren't taking bribes. Yet. Not openly. But with pay a spiv now the primary way to get driving tests in some parts of Tory Britain, that is likely coming soon.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
The Kuga is video'd driving backwards for a reckless and illegal distance. Were I the quad bike driver and providing that it was licensed for road use, perhaps sue the driver for the costs.
They may not be charging him. But the video evidence is unambiguous, the law is clear, and in a civil case the bar is lower...
Not seen the video so not commenting on that, but reversing a long way is a great way to burn out your clutch and lead to hefty repair bills so a stupid idea unless necessary anyway.
I coulnae reverse at speed any distance without going into a ditch in any case.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
I didn't mention because it wasn't the topic of the discussion, but the quad biker owner was seriously at fault for not tethering the dog who could have jumped out at any time. About the only person who was blameless was the cyclist.
If you look at the video (front cam) 13 seconds in and pause it: this is the point at which the cyclist shouts at the driver. At this point he is about three car lengths before passing the car. The car at this point has already moved position so it is almost brushing the vegetation at the side of the road. There is plenty of room for the cyclist. I cannot see what warranted the shout and this is what caused the chain of events.
Though the driver was obviously majorly at fault for the harm to the dog through his reckless and illegal actions it really isn't a good idea for road users to shout at other road users.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
The Kuga is video'd driving backwards for a reckless and illegal distance. Were I the quad bike driver and providing that it was licensed for road use, perhaps sue the driver for the costs.
They may not be charging him. But the video evidence is unambiguous, the law is clear, and in a civil case the bar is lower...
Not seen the video so not commenting on that, but reversing a long way is a great way to burn out your clutch and lead to hefty repair bills so a stupid idea unless necessary anyway.
I coulnae reverse at speed any distance without going into a ditch in any case.
So you want to congratulate the driver for his skills?
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A long Mail article describing physician/anaesthesia associates and the new medical apprenticeship schemes.
A lot of doctors have deep misgivings about PA and AA staff acting way beyond their competences, and with only nominal supervision.
To be fair, most doctors have deep misgivings about anesthesiologists generally.
To be fair lots of people have lots of misgivings about lots of Doctors, there are plenty of crap Doctors.
Indeed, anaesthesia is dangerous but is that a sound reason to replace a doctor with 9 years of postgraduate training with a non-doctor with two?
The other big issue is informed consent. A lot of Physician Assistants are not clear to patients that they are not, and never will be medically qualified.
Doctors, nurses, physios etc are all heavily regulated professions, but these new grades are evolving without that.
For me the Tories have totally F***ed the NHS, you have to pray you do not get ill nowadays.
The NHS has been a basket case for decades, Malc.
Just on the numbers, the Tories have been in power for most of those decades. All their good work done by short, sharp doses of Labour I imagine.
Institutionally the NHS doesn't care. That is the root cause. Some 85yr old dies when they needn't have? Who cares. No one because there is no accountability and the only time we scratch the surface and see the rotten core of the institution is when there is something even the NHS can't hide ie Letby, although not for the want of trying, or a whistleblower which they attempt to stamp on.
But yes let's get those saucepans out and make some noise, you people.
Marginally finance-related but look what happened when GB pumped money into it - a huge waste. The NHS needs a complete overhaul but it's not going to happen.
Tell me you haven't had an incident where the NHS has behaved shockingly.
Edit: oh and pop yourself onto the BBC news app right now to see what the main headline is. Just for a laugh.
{SSDA mode on}
Will measures be put in place to ensure that sexual assaults against/by members of staff in the new grades are the same as those in the traditional work groups?
If you reverse at speed up a country lane and run over a dog BUT the dog is a Bully XL BUT the dog is being used to grow a kidney to save the life of a child BUT the child is an illegal immigrant BUT
The child is an infant Adolf Hitler BUT
Lawrence Olivier didn’t get to traumatise him at the critical age to turn him into Literally Hitler BUT
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
The Kuga is video'd driving backwards for a reckless and illegal distance. Were I the quad bike driver and providing that it was licensed for road use, perhaps sue the driver for the costs.
They may not be charging him. But the video evidence is unambiguous, the law is clear, and in a civil case the bar is lower...
Not seen the video so not commenting on that, but reversing a long way is a great way to burn out your clutch and lead to hefty repair bills so a stupid idea unless necessary anyway.
I coulnae reverse at speed any distance without going into a ditch in any case.
Looping the seat belt through the steering wheel is the move.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
I didn't mention because it wasn't the topic of the discussion, but the quad biker owner was seriously at fault for not tethering the dog who could have jumped out at any time. About the only person who was blameless was the cyclist.
If you look at the video (front cam) 13 seconds in and pause it: this is the point at which the cyclist shouts at the driver. At this point he is about three car lengths before passing the car. The car at this point has already moved position so it is almost brushing the vegetation at the side of the road. There is plenty of room for the cyclist. I cannot see what warranted the shout and this is what caused the chain of events.
Though the driver was obviously majorly at fault for the harm to the dog through his reckless and illegal actions it really isn't a good idea for road users to shout at other road users.
Highway Code for cyclists, rule 66: Let them (other road users) know you are there when necessary, for example, by calling out or ringing your bell if you have one.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
I didn't mention because it wasn't the topic of the discussion, but the quad biker owner was seriously at fault for not tethering the dog who could have jumped out at any time. About the only person who was blameless was the cyclist.
If you look at the video (front cam) 13 seconds in and pause it: this is the point at which the cyclist shouts at the driver. At this point he is about three car lengths before passing the car. The car at this point has already moved position so it is almost brushing the vegetation at the side of the road. There is plenty of room for the cyclist. I cannot see what warranted the shout and this is what caused the chain of events.
Though the driver was obviously majorly at fault for the harm to the dog through his reckless and illegal actions it really isn't a good idea for road users to shout at other road users.
Highway Code for cyclists, rule 66: Let them (other road users) know you are there when necessary, for example, by calling out or ringing your bell if you have one.
And it's an obvious close pass.
It wasn't necessary. The driver had good sight and had already altered position to the absolute left of the road.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
I didn't mention because it wasn't the topic of the discussion, but the quad biker owner was seriously at fault for not tethering the dog who could have jumped out at any time. About the only person who was blameless was the cyclist.
If you look at the video (front cam) 13 seconds in and pause it: this is the point at which the cyclist shouts at the driver. At this point he is about three car lengths before passing the car. The car at this point has already moved position so it is almost brushing the vegetation at the side of the road. There is plenty of room for the cyclist. I cannot see what warranted the shout and this is what caused the chain of events.
Though the driver was obviously majorly at fault for the harm to the dog through his reckless and illegal actions it really isn't a good idea for road users to shout at other road users.
Highway Code for cyclists, rule 66: Let them (other road users) know you are there when necessary, for example, by calling out or ringing your bell if you have one.
And it's an obvious close pass.
It wasn't necessary. The driver had good sight and had already altered position to the absolute left of the road.
Meh, if a driver is such a snowflake about someone shouting out they shouldn't be on the road.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
I didn't mention because it wasn't the topic of the discussion, but the quad biker owner was seriously at fault for not tethering the dog who could have jumped out at any time. About the only person who was blameless was the cyclist.
If you look at the video (front cam) 13 seconds in and pause it: this is the point at which the cyclist shouts at the driver. At this point he is about three car lengths before passing the car. The car at this point has already moved position so it is almost brushing the vegetation at the side of the road. There is plenty of room for the cyclist. I cannot see what warranted the shout and this is what caused the chain of events.
There's little point in shouting out (except it may happen involuntarily in terror) once the vehicle has gone past.
The pass was far too close and at quite high speed. The 4x4 should have slowed down to either walking pace or a complete stop, as he has a duty of care to vulnerable road users.
The HWC says 1.5m minimum handlebar to wing mirror for a pass. Practically that means space for the cyclist to fall off eg to a pothole without being at risk of injury.
On topic, I struggle to see how many votes Trump can pick up over his total last time. If you didn't vote for him then, why would you vote for him now?
So we're back to Biden's tally and how far that could fall. In 2020 voting Biden was something done to stop Trump. With Trump being madder and badder than last time I can't see how that driver dissipates much.
So we're looking for disillusioned democrats prepared to risk Trump. Or the people who came out to vote to stop Trump who usually don't deciding it doesn't matter this time.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
If somebody gets "really scared" by not being hit by a car then they've got insufficient emotional control for cycling in traffic anyway. Shouting at cars achieves exactly nothing.
Agree and I never have and this person didn't really anyway. It was a pretty mild reaction, but even having said that you have to be made of steel not to be unsettled by a wing mirror clipping your handlebars.
I got clipped by a wing mirror while walking on the pavement last year. I think I shouted something rude at the driver.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
You have a whole series of made up prejudicial assumptions there.
Looks pretty clear cut to me, or am I missing something?
There appears to be several examples of dangerous driving, and one of reversing further than necessary. (In fact it is not clear why he is reversing at all.)
Hard to understand why there was no prosecution. Looks an easy nick to me.
What is odd is the initial close pass seems quite anodyne. The car can't pull much further left; the cyclist probably could move over. The car could have slowed; if I were the cyclist, I would have slowed, pulled over, and possibly even stopped until the car went past. The way the cyclist reacted made me wonder if he'd seen the car at all or if he'd zoned out staring down at the road. I'd also have set up the cameras properly so one was not stuck in the year 2014.
But from then on, the mad reversing of the car is (or ought to be) criminal.
Quite why the cyclist then rode back towards the car if he thought the driver was out to kill him is another mystery.
It's a good example of a series which is quite effective long-term campaigning, to highlight poor driving standards in the UK, and institutional lack of action by police etc.
I'm always quite surprised how many institutions, Councils etc, do actually respond to requests for comment.
It is part of a series called "Near Miss of the Day", which has been running for quite a few years, and yesterday's episode was NMOTD Episode 874.
Angela Rayner refusing to commit Labour to keeping the triple lock .
It’s clear the country can’t afford the lock and it would be ridiculous to see a scenario where inflation has fallen to say 4% but pensioners receive an 8.5 % increase in April .
However pensioners are unlikely to take kindly to the lock being downgraded and Labour politically will suffer .
The sensible thing is for cross party agreement on a change but this won’t happen and with an election coming the Tories will ensure the triple lock even if that means cuts elsewhere .
I'd not read too much into Angela Rayner not committing to the triple lock. At this stage, with an election possibly imminent, the party will be under strict orders not to say anything at all that has not been signed off in triplicate. And if you missed it, yesterday the news was the Prime Minister not committing to the triple lock past the election.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
You have a whole series of made up prejudicial assumptions there.
Looks pretty clear cut to me, or am I missing something?
There appears to be several examples of dangerous driving, and one of reversing further than necessary. (In fact it is not clear why he is reversing at all.)
Hard to understand why there was no prosecution. Looks an easy nick to me.
What is odd is the initial close pass seems quite anodyne. The car can't pull much further left; the cyclist probably could move over. The car could have slowed; if I were the cyclist, I would have slowed, pulled over, and possibly even stopped until the car went past. The way the cyclist reacted made me wonder if he'd seen the car at all or if he'd zoned out staring down at the road. I'd also have set up the cameras properly so one was not stuck in the year 2014.
But from then on, the mad reversing of the car is (or ought to be) criminal.
Quite why the cyclist then rode back towards the car if he thought the driver was out to kill him is another mystery.
I think that would be concern for the welfare of a victim in a possible injury accident.
This glacial lake was once used for heathen rites so malign the pope was forced to Christianise the entire region
I enjoyed reading this morning yesterday's discussion about the difference between the upkeep and look of villages in France compared to the UK. Having spent a lot of holidays in various regional parts of France and having cycled around them I was always surprised how even tiny hamlets which looked permanently closed with all their shutters pulled to looked very well maintained. Beautiful stone buildings, flower pots by the side of the road etc. People there really seem to care.
There are places like that in the UK but far less common. Although I did find once over in the East of France (Jura Mountains) that it seemed far less affluent than the Western side.
I also concurred about French cities - delightful in the centre but no-go areas on the outskirts. Very worrying for them.
On topic, I struggle to see how many votes Trump can pick up over his total last time. If you didn't vote for him then, why would you vote for him now?
So we're back to Biden's tally and how far that could fall. In 2020 voting Biden was something done to stop Trump. With Trump being madder and badder than last time I can't see how that driver dissipates much.
So we're looking for disillusioned democrats prepared to risk Trump. Or the people who came out to vote to stop Trump who usually don't deciding it doesn't matter this time.
Also Roe v Wade being gutted since them has increased the likelihood of white women voting Democratic and the Evangelical vote being less activated (because the GOP is unlikely to put a federal abortion ban in their platform, because they can't agree on what it should say). Biden could help with this wedge by saying if he has the Senate and House he would pass federal Roe protections through legislation (which Dems have promised before and failed to do even when they had supermajorities) but still.
It's a good example of a series which is quite effective long-term campaigning, to highlight poor driving standards in the UK, and institutional lack of action by police etc.
I'm always quite surprised how many institutions, Councils etc, do actually respond to requests for comment.
It is part of a series called "Near Miss of the Day", which has been running for quite a few years, and yesterday's episode was NMOTD Episode 874.
This glacial lake was once used for heathen rites so malign the pope was forced to Christianise the entire region
I enjoyed reading this morning yesterday's discussion about the difference between the upkeep and look of villages in France compared to the UK. Having spent a lot of holidays in various regional parts of France and having cycled around them I was always surprised how even tiny hamlets which looked permanently closed with all their shutters pulled to looked very well maintained. Beautiful stone buildings, flower pots by the side of the road etc. People there really seem to care.
There are places like that in the UK but far less common. Although I did find once over in the East of France (Jura Mountains) that it seemed far less affluent than the Western side.
I also concurred about French cities - delightful in the centre but no-go areas on the outskirts. Very worrying for them.
I wonder how much depopulation plays into this. Take this department. Lozere
Its population peaked at 140,000 in… 1880. It is now 70,000 - it has halved - and has been stable for a while. But it’s certainly not growing - and might fall again
There is nothing here. A bit of tourism. Farming. Spooky lakes. Cows
Fewer people = less wear and tear? Maybe it’s - in part - as simple as that. Also all the ugly shacks get torn down leaving the nice stone buildings, for a smaller populace
That said, small French towns and villages do definitely evince greater civic pride, even if they sometimes have a touch of unplaceable bleakness
On Topic: This is interesting and adds to the appeal of one of my fav betting positions. I’m long of generic Dem for WH24 at 2.3. I like this ‘Dems for the WH’ bet because it takes Biden uncertainty away (I can see him not running at the end of the day) to leave a pure short on the GOP. It’s still value at the current evens imo. Reasoning as follows:
If the GOP pick Trump they’re stuck with a candidate facing multiple high viz criminal trials in parallel with the election campaign. That’s deeply suboptimal. I mean, c'mon, he couldn’t win as the incumbent without indictments (and likely convictions) for election fraud and racketeering. Hardly better placed now. But if they don’t pick him (or some surrogate who’d share his electoral limitations) they face losing a chunk of their base – all those troubled souls who belong to the cult of Trump not to the party. Plus who knows what damage he himself would do to the party if they forsake him. He isn’t a stranger to acting out of spite.
They have a Trump Problem, is what I’m saying, and it’s a whopper of a problem. Of course they might solve it. They might pick him and still manage to win. They might find a way to not pick him and alight upon a candidate with sufficiently wide appeal to win. But that’s not an even money shot. They should be clear odds against, hence the Dems should be clear odds on.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
I didn't mention because it wasn't the topic of the discussion, but the quad biker owner was seriously at fault for not tethering the dog who could have jumped out at any time. About the only person who was blameless was the cyclist.
If you look at the video (front cam) 13 seconds in and pause it: this is the point at which the cyclist shouts at the driver. At this point he is about three car lengths before passing the car. The car at this point has already moved position so it is almost brushing the vegetation at the side of the road. There is plenty of room for the cyclist. I cannot see what warranted the shout and this is what caused the chain of events.
Though the driver was obviously majorly at fault for the harm to the dog through his reckless and illegal actions it really isn't a good idea for road users to shout at other road users.
Agree you shouldn't shout or gesture come to that. I don't, mainly because I know I cockup as well and make mistakes.
The main issue is the speed. See @MattW post. The car should slow down to a crawl or stop. The bike should then go by slowly.
PS Earlier I mentioned how scary it is to have your handle bars clipped by a wing mirror. It was interpreted as me saying this is what happened here (and I can see why by rereading it). I was referring to how scary this in general, not in this specific case and why a wide berth should be given. I always overtake a bike as if it were a car. That is fully over the other side of the road on anything other than a very wide road. if I can't do that because of oncoming cars I shouldn't be overtaking in the first place as it is dangerous to the bike and the oncoming cars.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It really does put me off holidaying there. In every other respect it's a great place to visit.
The fact that they apparently themselves voted themselves Europe's worse drivers rather says it al (can't find link, so might not be true).
I can vouch for that, having driven a hire car around Sicily for a week a couple of years ago. The sense of relief when I handed the car back undamaged (unlike 99% of the other cars on the road) at the end of the week was overwhelming.
Some twat this morning overtook me on his HumanForest dick bike and then almost immediately tried to cut in front of me to turn left. I certainly did some shouting but on he went on his way, oblivious. Hopefully head first into a Ford Kuga before too long.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
That’s deeply suboptimal. I mean, c'mon, he couldn’t win as the incumbent without indictments
How? Hasn't his polling improved since he's been indicted.
The Dems have left it too late to dump Biden now so they are stuck with Abe Simpson. The best they can hope for is that he drops dead about 3 weeks before polling day and Harris gets in on a wave of sympathy and confusion.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Let's assume that the dog survived but will incur very expensive vet fees. Who pays?
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver 2) the driver didn't reverse 3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
The Kuga is video'd driving backwards for a reckless and illegal distance. Were I the quad bike driver and providing that it was licensed for road use, perhaps sue the driver for the costs.
They may not be charging him. But the video evidence is unambiguous, the law is clear, and in a civil case the bar is lower...
Not seen the video so not commenting on that, but reversing a long way is a great way to burn out your clutch and lead to hefty repair bills so a stupid idea unless necessary anyway.
I coulnae reverse at speed any distance without going into a ditch in any case.
Me neither. Or rather I can, but only by sitting rigidly and looking forward. Soon as I try and see where I'm going (head twist or mirror check) I lose my bearings and veer off.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It must be the Italian driving test that’s to blame. They just sit the student down, give him or her the mission to get past the vehicle in front, and if they make it, they pass.
A quip? "Driven by Italians".
Here's a video clip put out by the Black Belt Barrister yesterday about everyday driving in the UK. Driver reversed down a country lane chasing a cyclist he had close passed who had shouted "Watch Out", so out of control / not looking than he forced a quadbike off the road and ran over a dog.
North Yorks Police "No traffic offences committed", "The Driver probably wanted to talk". Apart I'd say from Careless Driving or Dangerous Driving, whatever the offence is on reversing, and several others. Various non motoring offences too, starting with common assault.
I haven't seen the clip but at the margins you can see the mechanism by which this happens.
Cyclist going at 20-25mph doing a time, so doesn't pull over to let the driver past, and nor do they heel over to the side of the road to give space, because of their line, so the driver is basically blocked. The driver gets increasingly frustrated and then when an opportunity to overtake arises - at a closeness less than ideal - the cyclist shouts out, somewhat pompously to the driver, and this triggers a rage in the car driver.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.
Maybe you should watch the clip before commenting. You didn't even know what direction each were traveling in (it wasn't an overtake). The cyclist did nothing wrong. The cyclist had nowhere to go. The driver was irresponsible. He could have killed the cyclist who could do nothing to avoid what happened as it was head on. The cyclist response was restrained. The driver then suffered from road rage and as a consequence caused the death of a dog. It could easily have been the quad bike rider killed with him reversing at that speed on a narrow lane.
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
I might add also if the incident had been as Casino thought he also doesn't know his highway code regarding cyclists. Cyclists should not 'pull over' or 'heel over'. To do so is dangerous. Quote the code:
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
This would have been an instant driving test failure if the driver had driven past a cyclist at that pace & distance during their driving test.
The Highway Code is very clear about how much space you are required to give vulnerable road users & if you cannot give them that much then you pass them at as low speed as possible. Stop entirely if necessary so they can pass safely. It’s really not hard.
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
GB News is popular with expats on the Costas, apparently.
Is this just another one where our Conservative Government dropped the equality ball?
Here's the equivalent term for Italy - UK Residents in Italy get their licences recognised for one year after gaining Residency, and can just exchange it for a limited period of 5 years if expired; Italian Residents in UK get their licences recognised until expiry date in Italy, and can exchange it here forever with no test.
Whereas a United Kingdom driving licence, as long as it has not expired, remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the Italian Republic for one year after the date of acquisition of the holder's residence in the territory of the Italian Republic, Whereas an Italian driving licence remains valid for the purposes of driving in the territory of the United Kingdom until its expiry date even after the holder has acquired residence in the territory of the United Kingdom
This raises yet another red flag for me on road safety grounds.
The catch in Italy is that after six months you need to re register your British plated car, though.
Given the standard of driving I just observed in two weeks in Italy I'm amazed we recognise their licenses at all.
It really does put me off holidaying there. In every other respect it's a great place to visit.
The fact that they apparently themselves voted themselves Europe's worse drivers rather says it al (can't find link, so might not be true).
I can vouch for that, having driven a hire car around Sicily for a week a couple of years ago. The sense of relief when I handed the car back undamaged (unlike 99% of the other cars on the road) at the end of the week was overwhelming.
The key to driving abroad is
1. Do it a lot, soon it becomes 2nd nature
2. Drive like the locals. If they are polite drive politely, if you are in Sicily drive like a happy drunk with latent anger issues
Once I realised that, I loved driving in Sicily, becauseyou have more freedom. Park anywhere. Drive the wrong way down a pavement. No one cares
The only place I wouldn’t drive is a massive congested insane “global south” city like Cairo or Calcutta. That is indeed madness
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It’s clear the country can’t afford the lock and it would be ridiculous to see a scenario where inflation has fallen to say 4% but pensioners receive an 8.5 % increase in April .
However pensioners are unlikely to take kindly to the lock being downgraded and Labour politically will suffer .
The sensible thing is for cross party agreement on a change but this won’t happen and with an election coming the Tories will ensure the triple lock even if that means cuts elsewhere .
But yes let's get those saucepans out and make some noise, you people.
Marginally finance-related but look what happened when GB pumped money into it - a huge waste. The NHS needs a complete overhaul but it's not going to happen.
Tell me you haven't had an incident where the NHS has behaved shockingly.
Edit: oh and pop yourself onto the BBC news app right now to see what the main headline is. Just for a laugh.
Hmm, don't see any Tory MPs for southern constituencies complaining aboutd this, or government ministers expressing regret, rather than making up fictional offers to treat people from Scotland down south "to help with waiting lists". But good to see people being treated.
A percentage increase matching inflation means like-for-like comparing pensions one year to pensions the prior year means that the pay was the same pre-fiscal drag as it was before. And given our current broken tax system, fiscal drag affects pensions much less (as no NI, and no graduate tax) so fiscal drag means a much small decline.
Whereas for salaries declining in real terms even pre-fiscal drag, combined with much more fiscal drag (an early career teacher would be on a minimum of 41% tax as a lower tax rate employee).
That's not to say all pensioners have it cushy, of course that's not the case, but like-for-like current employees are being treated much worse.
Only half of the required number of trainee secondary school teachers in England have been recruited as the academic year gets under way, analysis shows.
Supply and demand, people.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/11/younger-people-more-relaxed-alternatives-democracy-survey
But yes don't look at the video and comment with no evidence whatsoever and blame the cyclist.
There is, of course, something of a trade off between reporting without inhibition, and maintaining access to those in power.
But it's lazy journalism to act as the willing stenographer for whatever line those in power are pushing ... and it's effectively acting as a state propagandist, irrespective of your good intentions half a decade down the line.
I'd add that if more journalists refused to play the game, politicians would have to talk to them anyway. Remove their mouthpieces, and they'd still want to get the exposure.
I’ve just spent five days in the Welsh Marches, it was beautiful, thriving (one city apart), contented, and peaceful. This portrait of Britain that you possess is imaginary. It is a tiny mad picture in your tiny mad head. I am glad we had Brexit just BECAUSE it fucks up feckers like you. If only we could have more Brexit to drive you even madder. Extra Brexit with every meal. Ultra-Brexit for afters. Brexitopam as a sleeping pill. UNIVERSAL BREXIT INCOME
i imagine Brexit as a massive great Brexit Bully XL and I see you running into the Texaco garage of Remoaner tossery, forever
The pears are surprisingly good.
Perhaps the next time a politicians froths about supermarket petrol prices increasing they should remember they need to make a profit somewhere if they're to subsidise prices elsewhere.
As expected.
For someone who’s been continually shitting himself over devil dogs for the last few 24/7s, interesting that you identify your cause with said dogs.
Have you seen their profits and how they have faired in recent years
"On the anniversary of the incompetent Jeremy Corbyn becoming Labour Leader, I ask, who has been the worst former Leader of the Labour Party in the 21st century?"
Despite the intro Blair currently leads on 48% with Jezza, Brown and EICIPM trailing
LOL
Anyone can open a shop if they think they can do better.
Off topic, this poll is a wealth of information:
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/focus/open-society-barometer
Some highlights: people globally want action on climate change, corruption and poverty, less bothered about migration. Only 62% think democracy is superior to all other forms of govermnent (UK only 58% - far below e.g. Italy with 69%). 33% would be comfortable with a military regime, especially younger voters - in Britain that's 22%, vs 29% in the US and 27% in Russia. Lots of developing countries think a military regime wojuld be fine, e.g. 63% in Egypt, 60% in India. 17% of Brits think that leaders shouldn't bother with elections, but that's low on the international scale - it's 29% in the US, eek.
Nearly everyone likes human rights, including things you might expect to be controversial like trans rights, but developing countries (and 34% of Americans) tend to think the West weaponises them against poorer countries. Nearly everyone worries about political violence next year, except in China, though the UK, Japan and Russia aren't too bothered. 55% of the UK want to open more safe and legal routes for refugees (Russia and Germany aren't keen). China is expected to be the most important country by 2030, and most people are fine with that (45-25), but not in the UK (49-16 against).
So some encouraging results, some worrying ones, but overall really interesting.
Given it is North Yorks, perhaps via a family relationship, Country Sports organisation or gun club?
Given that there are no real national standards on action around this type of incident, and certain police forces are lackadaisical or worse, there's plenty of room for low-level corruption 'amongst friends'. Given what we see elsewhere in police forces, it would hardly be a surprise.
Ashley Neal has a clip where he thinks a similar thing happened - an (alleged) ex-police officer knocked a bike rider off deliberately, and it was NFAd (no further action), and quashed, including a series of out and out misrepresentations. It's an ~10 minute clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXeRKq-1WG8
"The 2022 Highway Code no longer asks for cyclists to stay on the left side of the road – or, indeed, to use any provided cycle lanes. Instead, cyclists are told to ride “no less than half a metre” from the kerb or verge. This places a greater responsibility on motorists to overtake cyclists safely."
Motorists also have to leave a 1.5 metre gap, or greater if over 30mph. Some of these rules don't apply in slow moving traffic.
And cyclists shout out because they have been really scared by these incidents. It is not pomposity when you have been nearly swiped by a wing mirror, it is bloody scary.
Spectacularly haunted
This glacial lake was once used for heathen rites so malign the pope was forced to Christianise the entire region
Governor GOP win by 7.5%
Lt Gov GOP win by 5.0%
AG GOP win by 5.1%
SOS GOP win by 9.2%
US House Rep GOP lead by 4.6%
but
US Senate Dem win by 2.8%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2022_Georgia_(U.S._state)_elections
Trump really lost the Senate with that Herschel Walker pick.
I mean, they were running Labour just four years ago, and the future seemed to belong to them at least within the Party. Today, they are pretty irrelevant, and it all looks like a tiny group who fetishise Corbyn and sneer about Labour's most electorally successful leader, and the people who replaced them on social media. I don't really understand how they have fallen so far, so fast, and what the plan is for revival.
They are making a movie here for French TV. I don’t blame them
What will happen to the Republicans if Trump is excluded under the 'no one who has been involved in insurrection shall be an officer of the United States' clause of the Constitution?
There are now lawsuits to have that clause used in several States, and States' Officials are seriously thinking about how they would deal with it.
The driver hasn't been charged with anything (despite the ridiculous and illegal reversing).
Going back in time, what alternative actions would have resulted in no harm to the dog?:
1) the cyclist didn't shout at the driver
2) the driver didn't reverse
3) the quadbike rider had tethered his dog
Any of these would have saved the dog.
So who pays?
Hours have been devoted in recent days to violent and nuisance dogs. Violent and nuisance men are also a bit of a menace. Just saying.
They may not be charging him. But the video evidence is unambiguous, the law is clear, and in a civil case the bar is lower...
Its nice when you get clips like these ones where its blatantly obvious who is at fault. So that when the police react in a blatant and rather funny manner we can all point and laugh.
Our police aren't taking bribes. Yet. Not openly. But with pay a spiv now the primary way to get driving tests in some parts of Tory Britain, that is likely coming soon.
Though the driver was obviously majorly at fault for the harm to the dog through his reckless and illegal actions it really isn't a good idea for road users to shout at other road users.
Cyclist had miles of room.
https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1701505741557747897
Will measures be put in place to ensure that sexual assaults against/by members of staff in the new grades are the same as those in the traditional work groups?
Thanks @rcs1000
The fact that they apparently themselves voted themselves Europe's worse drivers rather says it al (can't find link, so might not be true).
And it's an obvious close pass.
Imagine if someone tooted a horn at them?
The pass was far too close and at quite high speed. The 4x4 should have slowed down to either walking pace or a complete stop, as he has a duty of care to vulnerable road users.
The HWC says 1.5m minimum handlebar to wing mirror for a pass. Practically that means space for the cyclist to fall off eg to a pothole without being at risk of injury.
So we're back to Biden's tally and how far that could fall. In 2020 voting Biden was something done to stop Trump. With Trump being madder and badder than last time I can't see how that driver dissipates much.
So we're looking for disillusioned democrats prepared to risk Trump. Or the people who came out to vote to stop Trump who usually don't deciding it doesn't matter this time.
Why? Because it’s this mean ugly damaging thing which no one likes, but which you have to tolerate because your stupid chavvy neighbours wanted one
There. I’m giving you that for free
But from then on, the mad reversing of the car is (or ought to be) criminal.
Quite why the cyclist then rode back towards the car if he thought the driver was out to kill him is another mystery.
It's a good example of a series which is quite effective long-term campaigning, to highlight poor driving standards in the UK, and institutional lack of action by police etc.
I'm always quite surprised how many institutions, Councils etc, do actually respond to requests for comment.
It is part of a series called "Near Miss of the Day", which has been running for quite a few years, and yesterday's episode was NMOTD Episode 874.
https://road.cc/show/tags/near-miss-day/143145
There are places like that in the UK but far less common. Although I did find once over in the East of France (Jura Mountains) that it seemed far less affluent than the Western side.
I also concurred about French cities - delightful in the centre but no-go areas on the outskirts. Very worrying for them.
What about those punching machine clips. Endless discussion there. I'll start, I think Martin Freeman looks quite handy here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFF134_iokI
https://twitter.com/NoContextBrits/status/1701503427354804264?s=20
Jeez we need to up our game here. Where were those Mid-Beds predictions.
You need to understand that you don't have to consume every fucking thing that social media shits out.
Its population peaked at 140,000 in… 1880. It is now 70,000 - it has halved - and has been stable for a while. But it’s certainly not growing - and might fall again
There is nothing here. A bit of tourism. Farming. Spooky lakes. Cows
Fewer people = less wear and tear? Maybe it’s - in part - as simple as that. Also all the ugly shacks get torn down leaving the nice stone buildings, for a smaller populace
That said, small French towns and villages do definitely evince greater civic pride, even if they sometimes have a touch of unplaceable bleakness
If the GOP pick Trump they’re stuck with a candidate facing multiple high viz criminal trials in parallel with the election campaign. That’s deeply suboptimal. I mean, c'mon, he couldn’t win as the incumbent without indictments (and likely convictions) for election fraud and racketeering. Hardly better placed now. But if they don’t pick him (or some surrogate who’d share his electoral limitations) they face losing a chunk of their base – all those troubled souls who belong to the cult of Trump not to the party. Plus who knows what damage he himself would do to the party if they forsake him. He isn’t a stranger to acting out of spite.
They have a Trump Problem, is what I’m saying, and it’s a whopper of a problem. Of course they might solve it. They might pick him and still manage to win. They might find a way to not pick him and alight upon a candidate with sufficiently wide appeal to win. But that’s not an even money shot. They should be clear odds against, hence the Dems should be clear odds on.
The main issue is the speed. See @MattW post. The car should slow down to a crawl or stop. The bike should then go by slowly.
PS Earlier I mentioned how scary it is to have your handle bars clipped by a wing mirror. It was interpreted as me saying this is what happened here (and I can see why by rereading it). I was referring to how scary this in general, not in this specific case and why a wide berth should be given. I always overtake a bike as if it were a car. That is fully over the other side of the road on anything other than a very wide road. if I can't do that because of oncoming cars I shouldn't be overtaking in the first place as it is dangerous to the bike and the oncoming cars.
Try some high level wild-swimming spots - somewhere like Burnmoor Tarn in the Lakes.
The Dems have left it too late to dump Biden now so they are stuck with Abe Simpson. The best they can hope for is that he drops dead about 3 weeks before polling day and Harris gets in on a wave of sympathy and confusion.
Saint Chely d’Apcher
Awful lot of shuttered shops
The Highway Code is very clear about how much space you are required to give vulnerable road users & if you cannot give them that much then you pass them at as low speed as possible. Stop entirely if necessary so they can pass safely. It’s really not hard.
1. Do it a lot, soon it becomes 2nd nature
2. Drive like the locals. If they are polite drive politely, if you are in Sicily drive like a happy drunk with latent anger issues
Once I realised that, I loved driving in Sicily, becauseyou have more freedom. Park anywhere. Drive the wrong way down a pavement. No one cares
The only place I wouldn’t drive is a massive congested insane “global south” city like Cairo or Calcutta. That is indeed madness