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  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    They butchered those anthems. Abysmal.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Another excellent meal here in Clearwell, Glos, at the Tudor Farmhouse Hotel

    That’s five good or great dinners in a row. I wonder if British cooking has taken another step up

    I have also had one of the best breakfast dishes of my life on this trip. The smoked haddock, whipped egg white and black bomber omelette at the Haughmond

    https://www.thehaughmond.co.uk/menu

    Up there with Robuchon’s scrambled eggs in Monte Carlo, and I do not jest about such serious things

    That sounds very fine.
    Have you read "Red Sauce, Brown Sauce" by Felicity Cloake? Basically a tour of the UK in search of the perfect breakfast. Very readable.
    My lament when it comes to breakfast is for the increasing scarcity of kippers on breakfast menus. Haven't seen them for years (not that I frequently eat breakfast out).
    My Dad LOVED kippers!

    I love a smoked haddock, with poached egg, and toasted sourdough: a classic breakfast. You can still reliably find it in good hotels

    But that omelette was fucking amazing. And I rarely swear. Absolutely ace. Very rich, but perfectly small, so you didn’t feel overfed, or stuffed, you just left the breakfast table with a smile and a feeling of “yay let’s go”

    I will read that book!
    Smoke me a kipper. I’ll be back for breakfast.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Another excellent meal here in Clearwell, Glos, at the Tudor Farmhouse Hotel

    That’s five good or great dinners in a row. I wonder if British cooking has taken another step up

    I have also had one of the best breakfast dishes of my life on this trip. The smoked haddock, whipped egg white and black bomber omelette at the Haughmond

    https://www.thehaughmond.co.uk/menu

    Up there with Robuchon’s scrambled eggs in Monte Carlo, and I do not jest about such serious things

    That sounds very fine.
    Have you read "Red Sauce, Brown Sauce" by Felicity Cloake? Basically a tour of the UK in search of the perfect breakfast. Very readable.
    My lament when it comes to breakfast is for the increasing scarcity of kippers on breakfast menus. Haven't seen them for years (not that I frequently eat breakfast out).
    The decline of kippers for breakfast is one the finest metaphors going for the decline of England.
    But I can happily report that smoked haddock and poached egg never went away, and now new chefs are doing new things with fish for brekkers

    HUZZAH
  • After my rather excessive working last week, in the three days so far this week (nb I had Tuesday off, so my 'week' started Wednesday) I've already done thirty eight hours (twelve on Wednesday, fifteen yesterday and eleven today), And I'm working the next five days

    The hours have been long, and the heat has been pretty heavy. What's been rather heartening about that is just how many drinks I've been offered; there isn't a street where I haven't been offered one, and I got offered five this evening on one quite long road

    Sadly when, after 6pm, I reply "Oh, is it Pimms O'clock?", they all think I'm joking!

    The worst thing this week has been the spiders

    OMFG, I've never seen anything like it. I must have walked through twenty five spiders' webs a day. The ones I've seen I've skilfully taken down with my envelope machete. Most I haven't noticed until I've felt them on my legs, my arms or my face

    Then with my hands full of mail I've tried to brush them off me, and then started searching for the spider. Each day I've found at least ten dangling from me, or on me

    They've all been the same kind of spider, in varying sizes. Hidden for arachnophobes




  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    At last some good news on tidal energy:-

    Four green energy tidal stream projects have been given the green light. Marine Energy Wales has welcomed today’s announcement that tidal stream projects based in waters off Anglesey. They will provide electricity to the National Grid.

    It comes as part of the latest round of the UK Government’s renewable auction. Over 22 megawatts (MW) of tidal stream capacity has been contracted in Wales and will be deployed at Morlais Tidal Demonstration Zone on Anglesey. The projects include:

    Hydrowing: 10MW
    Verdant: 4.9MW
    MOR Energy: 4.5MW
    Magallanes: 3MW

    Overall, 93 projects with existing planning permission across England, Scotland and Wales have won contracts through the competitive auction process. The greatest capacity – almost 7GW - has been secured from new offshore wind projects around the coastline of Great Britain, enough to increase the country’s overall capacity built and under construction by 35% and take a significant step towards meeting the government’s 50GW of offshore wind ambition by 2030.

    Tidal stream technology, which produces power from tidal currents, is a predictable and consistent source of energy. It has already delivered over 70GWh of electricity to the grid – which is said to be enough to power more than 25,000 households for a whole year.

    Chicken feed.

    Cardiff Bay tidal lagoon would power 1.3 million households for a whole year.

    50GW of offshore wind is a shit target, because in 30 years time you have.....0 GW and a vast array of rusting turbines and bases to replace.

    But, none of today's politicians will give a toss. They will be long gone.

    Time to get off our arses and do the job properly.
  • Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    Scott_xP said:

    Next week is going to be 10 degrees cooler than this week.

    Jumpers at the ready...

    Thank god for that. Can’t stand this heat.
  • Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, who was the Democratic Party’s long-serving House leader and the first woman to hold the post, announced on Friday that she would seek re-election in 2024, ending months of speculation about her political future.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/us/politics/nancy-pelosi-re-election.html

    She is 83.

    FFS.

    To be fair, she's just a rank and file Congresswoman, and it's just a two year term.

    BUT

    Yes, she should retire.
    She should retire simply on principle. These bed blocking billionaires are a fucking disgrace

    Move over, you old crone, give someone younger a go. UGH. No wonder Americans don’t bother voting, no wonder the young are utterly disengaged

    Biden and Trump likewise, of course, and Mitch “Call the Mortuary” McConnell. All of them

    I remember when we in the west used to scoff at China and the USSR for their dysfunctional octogenarian politburos
    Excellent post. It is getting fucking ridiculous.

    Let's hope this country doesn't go the same way.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I hear Cambodia is good for teen prostitutes.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    THE ISLANDS OF CAMBODIA, in early November, for the Gazette
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    THE ISLANDS OF CAMBODIA, in early November, for the Gazette
    Just as I thought...
  • Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Next week is going to be 10 degrees cooler than this week.

    Jumpers at the ready...

    Thank god for that. Can’t stand this heat.
    I love the evenings in this heat. Balmy and blithe. Easy to think one is in southern france.

    But the days are bloody hard work.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    THE ISLANDS OF CAMBODIA, in early November, for the Gazette
    Just as I thought...
    You guessed I might head off to South East Asia in late autumn? It doesn’t take a genius, TBH
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    Here's a graph showing homicides in the US, for those who were wondering how they changed during recent presidencies. Note, please, that I said "during", rather than, for example, "because of")
    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murder-homicide-rate

    Nonetheless, I think presidents have had some effect on those rates.
  • Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Another excellent meal here in Clearwell, Glos, at the Tudor Farmhouse Hotel

    That’s five good or great dinners in a row. I wonder if British cooking has taken another step up

    I have also had one of the best breakfast dishes of my life on this trip. The smoked haddock, whipped egg white and black bomber omelette at the Haughmond

    https://www.thehaughmond.co.uk/menu

    Up there with Robuchon’s scrambled eggs in Monte Carlo, and I do not jest about such serious things

    That sounds very fine.
    Have you read "Red Sauce, Brown Sauce" by Felicity Cloake? Basically a tour of the UK in search of the perfect breakfast. Very readable.
    My lament when it comes to breakfast is for the increasing scarcity of kippers on breakfast menus. Haven't seen them for years (not that I frequently eat breakfast out).
    My Dad LOVED kippers!

    I love a smoked haddock, with poached egg, and toasted sourdough: a classic breakfast. You can still reliably find it in good hotels

    But that omelette was fucking amazing. And I rarely swear. Absolutely ace. Very rich, but perfectly small, so you didn’t feel overfed, or stuffed, you just left the breakfast table with a smile and a feeling of “yay let’s go”

    I will read that book!
    Smoke me a kipper. I’ll be back for breakfast.
    What a guy!
  • boulay said:



    It does of course help them that Connor MacLeod is still kicking around. Hard to evict someone who is immortal.

    There can be only one!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    THE ISLANDS OF CAMBODIA, in early November, for the Gazette
    I didn't even know Cambodia had islands.

    I love PB!!!
  • Taz said:

    They butchered those anthems. Abysmal.

    Agreed, it was terrible.
  • After my rather excessive working last week, in the three days so far this week (nb I had Tuesday off, so my 'week' started Wednesday) I've already done thirty eight hours (twelve on Wednesday, fifteen yesterday and eleven today), And I'm working the next five days

    The hours have been long, and the heat has been pretty heavy. What's been rather heartening about that is just how many drinks I've been offered; there isn't a street where I haven't been offered one, and I got offered five this evening on one quite long road

    Sadly when, after 6pm, I reply "Oh, is it Pimms O'clock?", they all think I'm joking!

    The worst thing this week has been the spiders

    OMFG, I've never seen anything like it. I must have walked through twenty five spiders' webs a day. The ones I've seen I've skilfully taken down with my envelope machete. Most I haven't noticed until I've felt them on my legs, my arms or my face

    Then with my hands full of mail I've tried to brush them off me, and then started searching for the spider. Each day I've found at least ten dangling from me, or on me

    They've all been the same kind of spider, in varying sizes. Hidden for arachnophobes




    I, for one, welcome our new arachnid overlords.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Another excellent meal here in Clearwell, Glos, at the Tudor Farmhouse Hotel

    That’s five good or great dinners in a row. I wonder if British cooking has taken another step up

    I have also had one of the best breakfast dishes of my life on this trip. The smoked haddock, whipped egg white and black bomber omelette at the Haughmond

    https://www.thehaughmond.co.uk/menu

    Up there with Robuchon’s scrambled eggs in Monte Carlo, and I do not jest about such serious things

    That sounds very fine.
    Have you read "Red Sauce, Brown Sauce" by Felicity Cloake? Basically a tour of the UK in search of the perfect breakfast. Very readable.
    My lament when it comes to breakfast is for the increasing scarcity of kippers on breakfast menus. Haven't seen them for years (not that I frequently eat breakfast out).
    My Dad LOVED kippers!

    I love a smoked haddock, with poached egg, and toasted sourdough: a classic breakfast. You can still reliably find it in good hotels

    But that omelette was fucking amazing. And I rarely swear. Absolutely ace. Very rich, but perfectly small, so you didn’t feel overfed, or stuffed, you just left the breakfast table with a smile and a feeling of “yay let’s go”

    I will read that book!
    Smoke me a kipper. I’ll be back for breakfast.
    What a guy!
    He’s ace.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    THE ISLANDS OF CAMBODIA, in early November, for the Gazette
    I didn't even know Cambodia had islands.

    I love PB!!!
    They do. They are the new frontier of Indochinese tourism - basically Thai islands about 30-40 years ago

    https://southeastasiabackpacker.com/destinations/cambodia/the-islands/

    The truly great undiscovered paradise around this corner is the islands of Myanmar. There are thousands. Many utterly untouched. Probably they should stay that way - but I doubt they will…

  • After my rather excessive working last week, in the three days so far this week (nb I had Tuesday off, so my 'week' started Wednesday) I've already done thirty eight hours (twelve on Wednesday, fifteen yesterday and eleven today), And I'm working the next five days

    The hours have been long, and the heat has been pretty heavy. What's been rather heartening about that is just how many drinks I've been offered; there isn't a street where I haven't been offered one, and I got offered five this evening on one quite long road

    Sadly when, after 6pm, I reply "Oh, is it Pimms O'clock?", they all think I'm joking!

    The worst thing this week has been the spiders

    OMFG, I've never seen anything like it. I must have walked through twenty five spiders' webs a day. The ones I've seen I've skilfully taken down with my envelope machete. Most I haven't noticed until I've felt them on my legs, my arms or my face

    Then with my hands full of mail I've tried to brush them off me, and then started searching for the spider. Each day I've found at least ten dangling from me, or on me

    They've all been the same kind of spider, in varying sizes. Hidden for arachnophobes




    Breeding season.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Oooh red card?
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

    Be sure to check out Isam's shop and the Chris Waddle Museum if you're ever near Kannur, northern Kerala.




  • After my rather excessive working last week, in the three days so far this week (nb I had Tuesday off, so my 'week' started Wednesday) I've already done thirty eight hours (twelve on Wednesday, fifteen yesterday and eleven today), And I'm working the next five days

    The hours have been long, and the heat has been pretty heavy. What's been rather heartening about that is just how many drinks I've been offered; there isn't a street where I haven't been offered one, and I got offered five this evening on one quite long road

    Sadly when, after 6pm, I reply "Oh, is it Pimms O'clock?", they all think I'm joking!

    The worst thing this week has been the spiders

    OMFG, I've never seen anything like it. I must have walked through twenty five spiders' webs a day. The ones I've seen I've skilfully taken down with my envelope machete. Most I haven't noticed until I've felt them on my legs, my arms or my face

    Then with my hands full of mail I've tried to brush them off me, and then started searching for the spider. Each day I've found at least ten dangling from me, or on me

    They've all been the same kind of spider, in varying sizes. Hidden for arachnophobes




    Breeding season.
    Thanks for asking but it's been a long week and I'm a bit tired.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

    Be sure to check out Isam's shop and the Chris Waddle Museum if you're ever near Kannur, northern Kerala.




    Serious question

    I may be in the Maldives in a couple weeks, and I’ve thought about taking the chance to go to Kerala when my assignment there is over. it is just a short hop from Male to Cochin

    If I go to Kerala, where must I go? What’s a MUST SEE? Any hidden jewels?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    edited September 2023
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    THE ISLANDS OF CAMBODIA, in early November, for the Gazette
    I didn't even know Cambodia had islands.

    I love PB!!!
    They do. They are the new frontier of Indochinese tourism - basically Thai islands about 30-40 years ago

    https://southeastasiabackpacker.com/destinations/cambodia/the-islands/

    The truly great undiscovered paradise around this corner is the islands of Myanmar. There are thousands. Many utterly untouched. Probably they should stay that way - but I doubt they will…

    I didn't get to the islands when I was there, but it is a fascinating place. I particularly liked Mount Popa, the Hill of Nats (Bhuddist Saints), including this one who should be the patron Nat of PB:




    Min Kyawzwa
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    For Dr. Foxy, an example of the potential complexity of deciding which set of US police should take charge of a crime in the US, from Tony Hillerman's "Dance Hall of the Dead"'

    In chapter 2, Hillermans's senior Navajo detective, Joe Leaphorn, is thinking about a case he has been assigned to:
    "An old Singer had complained that he had given a neighbor woman eight hundred dollars to take into Gallup and make a down payment on a pickup truck and the woman had spent his money. Some of the facts were easy enough to establish. The woman had retrieved almost right hundred dollars of her pawn from a Gallup shop on the day in question and she hadn't given any money to the car-lot owner. So it should have been simple, but it wasn't. The woman said the Singer owed her the money, and that the Singer was a witch, a Navajo wolf. And then there was the question of which side of the boundary fence they had been standing on when the money changed hands. If she was standing where she said she had been, they were on Navajo reservation land and were under tribal-federal jurisdiction. But if they stood where the Singer claimed, they were over on nonreservation allocation land and the case would probably be tried under the New Mexico embezzlement law."

    Leaphorn is musing over that problem while at a meeting with officers from three other agencies on an apparent murder. Later in the novel it gets more complicated, and he attends a meeting with five other agencies.

    (I recommend Hillerman's detective stories to almost everyone, more for the descriptions of Navajo culture than the detection. But I should warn legal folks that his detectives sometimes prefer following their idea of justice, rather than the letter of the law.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hillerman
  • After my rather excessive working last week, in the three days so far this week (nb I had Tuesday off, so my 'week' started Wednesday) I've already done thirty eight hours (twelve on Wednesday, fifteen yesterday and eleven today), And I'm working the next five days

    The hours have been long, and the heat has been pretty heavy. What's been rather heartening about that is just how many drinks I've been offered; there isn't a street where I haven't been offered one, and I got offered five this evening on one quite long road

    Sadly when, after 6pm, I reply "Oh, is it Pimms O'clock?", they all think I'm joking!

    The worst thing this week has been the spiders

    OMFG, I've never seen anything like it. I must have walked through twenty five spiders' webs a day. The ones I've seen I've skilfully taken down with my envelope machete. Most I haven't noticed until I've felt them on my legs, my arms or my face

    Then with my hands full of mail I've tried to brush them off me, and then started searching for the spider. Each day I've found at least ten dangling from me, or on me

    They've all been the same kind of spider, in varying sizes. Hidden for arachnophobes




    Breeding season.
    Thanks for asking but it's been a long week and I'm a bit tired.
    That's OK, you probably don't have enough legs anyway
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Evening all :)

    Plenty of interesting polling about today especially for those of us in London.

    I think @Foxy had it right earlier - Khan has overplayed his hand going for a third term. He probably thought Starmer wouldn't beat a Conservative Government with an 80-seat majority but events have not developed to his advantage and he's made a huge personal and political blunder.

    Even if he gets over the line he'll be an irrelevance if Labour are in Government (and more likely a nuisance) whereas he could have found himself a nice safe constituency and got a reasonable job in a new Starmer Cabinet. His only saving grace is the Conservative candidate - instead of a moderate centrist who could have hoovered up the anti-Khan vote, the London Tories have chosen so'meone who may go down well in Harrow but probably less so in Newham.

    We also have a London VI poll which has Labour on 47%, the Conservatives on 27% and the LDs on 17% so that's Labour down one, the Conservatives down five and the Liberal Democrats up two. That wouldn't mean much change but presumably IDS would be in big trouble in Chingford & Woodford Green.

    73% of 2019 Conservative voters are loyal to the party - that's higher than in other parts of England and while R&W think it may be connected to ULEZ, I'm more of the view the Conservative vote has been progressively hollowed out - in 2019, unlike most other regions, the Conservative vote fell by 1.2% - the only Conservative seat lost to Labour in the whole of the UK was Putney.

    As to ULEZ, it's morphed into a general pro-car driver protest now encompassing the Congestion Charge which has been in place for 20 years. Successive Labour and Conservative Mayors have backed the Congestion Charge and to be fair I've not heard Susan Hall say she would abolish it but she seems the sort of candidate who will jump on any bandwagon going so who knows?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Another excellent meal here in Clearwell, Glos, at the Tudor Farmhouse Hotel

    That’s five good or great dinners in a row. I wonder if British cooking has taken another step up

    I have also had one of the best breakfast dishes of my life on this trip. The smoked haddock, whipped egg white and black bomber omelette at the Haughmond

    https://www.thehaughmond.co.uk/menu

    Up there with Robuchon’s scrambled eggs in Monte Carlo, and I do not jest about such serious things

    That sounds very fine.
    Have you read "Red Sauce, Brown Sauce" by Felicity Cloake? Basically a tour of the UK in search of the perfect breakfast. Very readable.
    My lament when it comes to breakfast is for the increasing scarcity of kippers on breakfast menus. Haven't seen them for years (not that I frequently eat breakfast out).
    George Hotel, Inveraray serves Loch Fyne kippers; as it should, being on Loch Fyne.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking
  • Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    The opening game is always nervy. Especially when big teams are playing each other.
  • Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    I'm disappointed with France.

    But Ive been expecting the all blacks to win this one
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    THE ISLANDS OF CAMBODIA, in early November, for the Gazette
    I didn't even know Cambodia had islands.

    I love PB!!!
    They do. They are the new frontier of Indochinese tourism - basically Thai islands about 30-40 years ago

    https://southeastasiabackpacker.com/destinations/cambodia/the-islands/

    The truly great undiscovered paradise around this corner is the islands of Myanmar. There are thousands. Many utterly untouched. Probably they should stay that way - but I doubt they will…

    I didn't get to the islands when I was there, but it is a fascinating place. I particularly liked Mount Popa, the Hill of Nats (Bhuddist Saints), including this one who should be the patron Nat of PB:




    Min Kyawzwa
    I thought Malc was the patron Nat of PB.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    Until that last one !!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Didn't we want to still be part of Horizon but they said we couldn't?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    After my rather excessive working last week, in the three days so far this week (nb I had Tuesday off, so my 'week' started Wednesday) I've already done thirty eight hours (twelve on Wednesday, fifteen yesterday and eleven today), And I'm working the next five days

    The hours have been long, and the heat has been pretty heavy. What's been rather heartening about that is just how many drinks I've been offered; there isn't a street where I haven't been offered one, and I got offered five this evening on one quite long road

    Sadly when, after 6pm, I reply "Oh, is it Pimms O'clock?", they all think I'm joking!

    The worst thing this week has been the spiders

    OMFG, I've never seen anything like it. I must have walked through twenty five spiders' webs a day. The ones I've seen I've skilfully taken down with my envelope machete. Most I haven't noticed until I've felt them on my legs, my arms or my face

    Then with my hands full of mail I've tried to brush them off me, and then started searching for the spider. Each day I've found at least ten dangling from me, or on me

    They've all been the same kind of spider, in varying sizes. Hidden for arachnophobes




    I, for one, welcome our new arachnid overlords.
    Garden Spiders are gorgeous this time of year.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    OnlyLivingBoy - Here's some data for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

    There was a long period of decline, but then homicides began to rise again in the last two years. (Gentrification probably had more than a little to do with the decline.)
  • Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    Hmm ireland maybe. On current form, not sure about SA
  • Leon said:

    So far in the oldest-family-in-the-same-place stakes (non royal) we have the Berkeleys of Berkeley Castle, and the Eltzs of Eltz Castle

    Plus maybe some Japanese hoteliers who pre-date both of them by about 500 years

    It’s surprisingly hard to find an Italian family which goes back, in situ, before about 1200

    My family seems to be the kind to up sticks and move somewhere completely different every generation.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    The opening game is always nervy. Especially when big teams are playing each other.
    Yep - like the football World Cup

    Both sides will qualify so there’s also no need for any player on either side to risk a broken spine

    For me France have faded a little since last season, and the All Blacks are unusually vulnerable albeit with sparkling runners. I’d have the Boks as favourites, Ireland second, France and the ABs equal third

    One of those will surely win, despite the unfair draw

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    Hmm ireland maybe. On current form, not sure about SA
    Did you see the Boks against the ABs at Twickers? Formidable

    They have the optimum combo of aggression and fluidity. Ireland are superbly organised. One of those two, for me…

    But France might ride home advantage all the way, of course
  • Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    Hmm ireland maybe. On current form, not sure about SA
    And you write off the French at your peril. The only team other than the All blacks who can run in 3 tries in the last 5 minutes of a game, but with more panache that the all blacks
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    Hmm ireland maybe. On current form, not sure about SA
    Did you see the Boks against the ABs at Twickers? Formidable

    They have the optimum combo of aggression and fluidity. Ireland are superbly organised. One of those two, for me…

    But France might ride home advantage all the way, of course
    It's a cliche, but it really is all to play for, in this 2023 tournament
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, who was the Democratic Party’s long-serving House leader and the first woman to hold the post, announced on Friday that she would seek re-election in 2024, ending months of speculation about her political future.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/us/politics/nancy-pelosi-re-election.html

    She is 83.

    FFS.

    To be fair, she's just a rank and file Congresswoman, and it's just a two year term.

    BUT

    Yes, she should retire.
    She should retire simply on principle. These bed blocking billionaires are a fucking disgrace

    Move over, you old crone, give someone younger a go. UGH. No wonder Americans don’t bother voting, no wonder the young are utterly disengaged

    Biden and Trump likewise, of course, and Mitch “Call the Mortuary” McConnell. All of them

    I remember when we in the west used to scoff at China and the USSR for their dysfunctional octogenarian politburos
    You raise an interesting point re turnout - easy to forget how bad it can be.

    Wiki lists two measures - voting age population % and voting eligible population %.

    The former goes from lows of 49.0% to a high of 62.8% since 1932, the latter is only listed from 1980 goes from 51.7% to 66.9%.

    2020 was actually the second highest on the table running from 1932, second only to 1930, and so highest on the VEP level. Thanks Trump? But historically 50s was common.

    Again a bit of a contrast to here, where turnout was consistently above 70 and only dropped severely in the 2000s, being now comparable to the latest US presiedntial.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Leon said:

    So far in the oldest-family-in-the-same-place stakes (non royal) we have the Berkeleys of Berkeley Castle, and the Eltzs of Eltz Castle

    Plus maybe some Japanese hoteliers who pre-date both of them by about 500 years

    It’s surprisingly hard to find an Italian family which goes back, in situ, before about 1200

    Penningons at Muncaster, Cumberland, since 1208.

  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

    Be sure to check out Isam's shop and the Chris Waddle Museum if you're ever near Kannur, northern Kerala.




    Serious question

    I may be in the Maldives in a couple weeks, and I’ve thought about taking the chance to go to Kerala when my assignment there is over. it is just a short hop from Male to Cochin

    If I go to Kerala, where must I go? What’s a MUST SEE? Any hidden jewels?
    To be honest, there's nothing really architectural in Kerala, the neighbouring states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu have plenty to offer there, but having said that, there a few historical sites in Kerala notable for their, er , history.

    St Angelo's Fort in Kannur, built in its original form by the Portuguese as early as 1505, then taken over by the Dutch in 1663, then sold in 1772 to the native king Ali Raja, and then taken over by the British in 1790.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Angelo_Fort

    In Cochin itself you have the Mattanchery Palace, again built by the Portuguese, but taken over by the Dutch and then the Brits. And a few miles away, the Paradesi Synagogue and Church of St Francis, dating from 1503, and also Portuguese in origin. It was the resting place of Vasco da Gama from his death in 1524 until 1538 (re-interred in Lisbon).

    Kappad Beach near Calicut was the site of da Gama's landing in 1498. Not much there apart from a rocky promontory, but thought you might find that interesting too!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,348
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    I attended my graduation today, and shook hands with Mary Archer.

    Christina Lamb and Sir Nicholas Coleridge got honorary doctorates as did (@ydoethur will be annoyed to note), Amanda Spielman.

    Ahead of me was Paul Nuttal, who got a Doctorate in politics for his thesis on Alderman Salvidge, the Boss of Liverpool in the early 20th century.

    Congratulations on the big day, hope you enjoyed it.

    I do feel sorry for you that you had to share the stage with not only a notorious pseud and failure, but also Paul Nuttall.
    In fairness to the latter, his doctorate was earned.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,348
    Cyclefree said:

    Sean_F said:

    I attended my graduation today, and shook hands with Mary Archer.

    Christina Lamb and Sir Nicholas Coleridge got honorary doctorates as did (@ydoethur will be annoyed to note), Amanda Spielman.

    Ahead of me was Paul Nuttal, who got a Doctorate in politics for his thesis on Alderman Salvidge, the Boss of Liverpool in the early 20th century.

    Congratulations.
    Thanks
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    carnforth said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Didn't we want to still be part of Horizon but they said we couldn't?
    It was in the withdrawal agreement, and reiterated in the TCA. The EU witheld final formal association as leverage over NI. The UK was suing the EU at the ECJ over this, claiming it broke the WA.

    Hardcore Remainers' attempts to growth-hack a Rejoin narrative into existence by claiming that Horizon membership is some sort of undoing of Brexit, including on PB, have been strange. It's not clear whether they don't know the above facts, or whether they do and have just spotted an opportunity.
    I cannot say I recall all the various grubby details, but if it was something we'd always wanted to remain part of, it's hardly part of some Brexit escape.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited September 2023

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

    Be sure to check out Isam's shop and the Chris Waddle Museum if you're ever near Kannur, northern Kerala.




    Serious question

    I may be in the Maldives in a couple weeks, and I’ve thought about taking the chance to go to Kerala when my assignment there is over. it is just a short hop from Male to Cochin

    If I go to Kerala, where must I go? What’s a MUST SEE? Any hidden jewels?
    To be honest, there's nothing really architectural in Kerala, the neighbouring states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu have plenty to offer there, but having said that, there a few historical sites in Kerala notable for their, er , history.

    St Angelo's Fort in Kannur, built in its original form by the Portuguese as early as 1505, then taken over by the Dutch in 1663, then sold in 1772 to the native king Ali Raja, and then taken over by the British in 1790.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Angelo_Fort

    In Cochin itself you have the Mattanchery Palace, again built by the Portuguese, but taken over by the Dutch and then the Brits. And a few miles away, the Paradesi Synagogue and Church of St Francis, dating from 1503, and also Portuguese in origin. It was the resting place of Vasco da Gama from his death in 1524 until 1538 (re-interred in Lisbon).

    Kappad Beach near Calicut was the site of da Gama's landing in 1498. Not much there apart from a rocky promontory, but thought you might find that interesting too!
    Thankyou!

    In the light of what you say: Why do people rave about Kerala then? That sounds a bit disappointing TBH?

    Maybe I should go to Karnataka or Tamil Nadu?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited September 2023
    carnforth said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Didn't we want to still be part of Horizon but they said we couldn't?
    It was in the withdrawal agreement, and reiterated in the TCA. The EU witheld final formal association as leverage over NI. The UK was suing the EU at the ECJ over this, claiming it broke the WA.

    Hardcore Remainers' attempts to magic a Rejoin narrative into existence by claiming that Horizon membership is some sort of undoing of Brexit, including on PB, have been strange. It's not clear whether they don't know the above facts, or whether they do and have just spotted an opportunity.
    Whoever could they have learned that sort of downright cynical, dishonest behaviour from?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    Leon said:

    So far in the oldest-family-in-the-same-place stakes (non royal) we have the Berkeleys of Berkeley Castle, and the Eltzs of Eltz Castle

    Plus maybe some Japanese hoteliers who pre-date both of them by about 500 years

    It’s surprisingly hard to find an Italian family which goes back, in situ, before about 1200

    My family seems to be the kind to up sticks and move somewhere completely different every generation.
    Philosophical question: what is 'my family'? If you go back 10 generations you have 1,024 ancestors (ignoring a bit of in-breeding). Which of those is 'your family'?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    I attended my graduation today, and shook hands with Mary Archer.

    Christina Lamb and Sir Nicholas Coleridge got honorary doctorates as did (@ydoethur will be annoyed to note), Amanda Spielman.

    Ahead of me was Paul Nuttal, who got a Doctorate in politics for his thesis on Alderman Salvidge, the Boss of Liverpool in the early 20th century.

    Congratulations on the big day, hope you enjoyed it.

    I do feel sorry for you that you had to share the stage with not only a notorious pseud and failure, but also Paul Nuttall.
    In fairness to the latter, his doctorate was earned.
    It was an homage to my finest hour - a comment that OGH retweeted and caused much anger among Corbynistas.

    I feel extremely sorry for the voters of Stoke on Trent Central. They are being asked to vote for a party led by a serial fanatsist and liar who appears to be unaware of where he was or what he was doing at key times, who are trying to appeal to the northern working class despite being the party of wealthy Londoners, who appear to be searching for a new role in the aftermath of Brexit, and whose leader is only in place because of a massive cock-up during the brief and inglorious tenure of some woman nobody had ever heard of leading to a massive rise in sexism and retreat to a badly defined and unworkable emotional comfort zone in the party.

    And if that wasn't bad enough, the alternative is Paul Nuttall!


    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1441628#Comment_1441628
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    Reports of the Ukrainian army making progress towards Donetsk (city). I hadn't realised how close to the frontline it was already.

    After Crimea, Donetsk is obviously the next biggest prize for Ukraine. The challenges of taking control of a city like that are not insignificant. However they were fairly close to defeating the separatists in 2014 before Putin intervened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG5rhG1wZjQ
  • kinabalu said:

    Farooq said:

    Sunil hasn't posted his only two posts yet, has the bot been disabled?

    Which one?

    CorrectHorseBot??

    :lol:

    :lol:
    Trump 62m
    Clinton 65m
    Or to be more up to date:

    Biden 81 million votes
    Trump 74 million votes
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586
    dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Didn't we want to still be part of Horizon but they said we couldn't?
    It was in the withdrawal agreement, and reiterated in the TCA. The EU witheld final formal association as leverage over NI. The UK was suing the EU at the ECJ over this, claiming it broke the WA.

    Hardcore Remainers' attempts to magic a Rejoin narrative into existence by claiming that Horizon membership is some sort of undoing of Brexit, including on PB, have been strange. It's not clear whether they don't know the above facts, or whether they do and have just spotted an opportunity.
    Whoever could they have learned that sort of downright cynical, dishonest behaviour from?
    Someone they claim to be better than, naturally.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, who was the Democratic Party’s long-serving House leader and the first woman to hold the post, announced on Friday that she would seek re-election in 2024, ending months of speculation about her political future.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/us/politics/nancy-pelosi-re-election.html

    She is 83.

    FFS.

    Some say that the current administration is really being run by 30-year-old staffers and the superannuated office holders have lost control.
    Some say Trump is a dangerous sociopath, who could wreak untold damage on the world.
    On his last outing he corrupted the Supreme Court and he trashed the constitution in January 2021. But you are comfortable with that and keep posting Maga s**te which p*sses most right thinking posters off.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    God when New Zealand break they are FAST
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,146
    edited September 2023

    Leon said:

    So far in the oldest-family-in-the-same-place stakes (non royal) we have the Berkeleys of Berkeley Castle, and the Eltzs of Eltz Castle

    Plus maybe some Japanese hoteliers who pre-date both of them by about 500 years

    It’s surprisingly hard to find an Italian family which goes back, in situ, before about 1200

    My family seems to be the kind to up sticks and move somewhere completely different every generation.
    There's no shortage.

    From Derbyshire the Fitzherberts of Tissington Hall and the Manners of Haddon Hall - both back to 11C or so if you accept a transfer by marriage.

    There is still a gap in the Monsal Trail walking / cycling route where Lord Ill-Manners refused to have a railway built on his estate iirc.

    Also the Percys of Alnwick Castle, and the FitzAlans / Howards of Arundel Castle.

  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    The opening game is always nervy. Especially when big teams are playing each other.
    Yep - like the football World Cup

    Both sides will qualify so there’s also no need for any player on either side to risk a broken spine

    For me France have faded a little since last season, and the All Blacks are unusually vulnerable albeit with sparkling runners. I’d have the Boks as favourites, Ireland second, France and the ABs equal third

    One of those will surely win, despite the unfair draw

    I think that's fair. Who would you put your money on, though?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    edited September 2023
    That was forward

    Hard work watching two games at the same time. So humid, Edinburgh feels tense tonight.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Didn't we want to still be part of Horizon but they said we couldn't?
    It was in the withdrawal agreement, and reiterated in the TCA. The EU witheld final formal association as leverage over NI. The UK was suing the EU at the ECJ over this, claiming it broke the WA.

    Hardcore Remainers' attempts to magic a Rejoin narrative into existence by claiming that Horizon membership is some sort of undoing of Brexit, including on PB, have been strange. It's not clear whether they don't know the above facts, or whether they do and have just spotted an opportunity.
    Whoever could they have learned that sort of downright cynical, dishonest behaviour from?
    Someone they claim to be better than, naturally.
    The phrase sauce for the goose springs to mind. No point moaning now.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    Cyclefree said:

    Went swimming in the Irish Sea this afternoon. The water was beautifully warm. The sun wonderful.

    The dogs enjoyed it.





    As did I.


    Is that a small dog, but near? Or a big dog,
    far away?
    A 2 year old collie - quite small & incredibly active. Daughter's boyfriend's dog and now a part of the family.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

    Be sure to check out Isam's shop and the Chris Waddle Museum if you're ever near Kannur, northern Kerala.




    Serious question

    I may be in the Maldives in a couple weeks, and I’ve thought about taking the chance to go to Kerala when my assignment there is over. it is just a short hop from Male to Cochin

    If I go to Kerala, where must I go? What’s a MUST SEE? Any hidden jewels?
    To be honest, there's nothing really architectural in Kerala, the neighbouring states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu have plenty to offer there, but having said that, there a few historical sites in Kerala notable for their, er , history.

    St Angelo's Fort in Kannur, built in its original form by the Portuguese as early as 1505, then taken over by the Dutch in 1663, then sold in 1772 to the native king Ali Raja, and then taken over by the British in 1790.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Angelo_Fort

    In Cochin itself you have the Mattanchery Palace, again built by the Portuguese, but taken over by the Dutch and then the Brits. And a few miles away, the Paradesi Synagogue and Church of St Francis, dating from 1503, and also Portuguese in origin. It was the resting place of Vasco da Gama from his death in 1524 until 1538 (re-interred in Lisbon).

    Kappad Beach near Calicut was the site of da Gama's landing in 1498. Not much there apart from a rocky promontory, but thought you might find that interesting too!
    Thankyou!

    In the light of what you say: Why do people rave about Kerala then? That sounds a bit disappointing TBH?

    Maybe I should go to Karnataka or Tamil Nadu?
    Well, if you're into lazing on beaches and on boat in the backwaters, Kerala is definitely for you!

    Seriously, if you are flying to Cochin, a day or two checking out Fort Kochi, where the aforementioned Mattanchery and St Francis Church are located, might just be worth it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Reports of the Ukrainian army making progress towards Donetsk (city). I hadn't realised how close to the frontline it was already.

    After Crimea, Donetsk is obviously the next biggest prize for Ukraine. The challenges of taking control of a city like that are not insignificant. However they were fairly close to defeating the separatists in 2014 before Putin intervened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG5rhG1wZjQ

    Even during the height of the 2022 invasion the front near Donetsk did not seem to move much. I assume the existing Ukrainian forces were as dug in there as the Russians have attempted to be in their recently taken areas.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,146

    Reports of the Ukrainian army making progress towards Donetsk (city). I hadn't realised how close to the frontline it was already.

    After Crimea, Donetsk is obviously the next biggest prize for Ukraine. The challenges of taking control of a city like that are not insignificant. However they were fairly close to defeating the separatists in 2014 before Putin intervened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG5rhG1wZjQ

    The sensible thing for Crimea is to make it a Kessel - the frontal assault across the Isthmus would be horrific.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    The opening game is always nervy. Especially when big teams are playing each other.
    Yep - like the football World Cup

    Both sides will qualify so there’s also no need for any player on either side to risk a broken spine

    For me France have faded a little since last season, and the All Blacks are unusually vulnerable albeit with sparkling runners. I’d have the Boks as favourites, Ireland second, France and the ABs equal third

    One of those will surely win, despite the unfair draw

    I think that's fair. Who would you put your money on, though?
    Good question

    I’d have two bets. One for the likely winners: springboks - they’re 9/2

    As an outside bet I’d go (bear with me) for England. They have a fair sprinkle of talent but are devoid of confidence and they’ve got a shit coach. But on the day they might just beat anyone and they have a very favourable draw, and they tend to do well in world cups

    England are 16/1
  • kle4 said:

    Reports of the Ukrainian army making progress towards Donetsk (city). I hadn't realised how close to the frontline it was already.

    After Crimea, Donetsk is obviously the next biggest prize for Ukraine. The challenges of taking control of a city like that are not insignificant. However they were fairly close to defeating the separatists in 2014 before Putin intervened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG5rhG1wZjQ

    Even during the height of the 2022 invasion the front near Donetsk did not seem to move much. I assume the existing Ukrainian forces were as dug in there as the Russians have attempted to be in their recently taken areas.
    From what I've read, Ukraine are very near Donetsk airport, where afaicr much of the heaviest fighting occurred in 2014.
  • Unlucky for France there
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

    Be sure to check out Isam's shop and the Chris Waddle Museum if you're ever near Kannur, northern Kerala.




    Serious question

    I may be in the Maldives in a couple weeks, and I’ve thought about taking the chance to go to Kerala when my assignment there is over. it is just a short hop from Male to Cochin

    If I go to Kerala, where must I go? What’s a MUST SEE? Any hidden jewels?
    To be honest, there's nothing really architectural in Kerala, the neighbouring states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu have plenty to offer there, but having said that, there a few historical sites in Kerala notable for their, er , history.

    St Angelo's Fort in Kannur, built in its original form by the Portuguese as early as 1505, then taken over by the Dutch in 1663, then sold in 1772 to the native king Ali Raja, and then taken over by the British in 1790.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Angelo_Fort

    In Cochin itself you have the Mattanchery Palace, again built by the Portuguese, but taken over by the Dutch and then the Brits. And a few miles away, the Paradesi Synagogue and Church of St Francis, dating from 1503, and also Portuguese in origin. It was the resting place of Vasco da Gama from his death in 1524 until 1538 (re-interred in Lisbon).

    Kappad Beach near Calicut was the site of da Gama's landing in 1498. Not much there apart from a rocky promontory, but thought you might find that interesting too!
    Thankyou!

    In the light of what you say: Why do people rave about Kerala then? That sounds a bit disappointing TBH?

    Maybe I should go to Karnataka or Tamil Nadu?
    Well, if you're into lazing on beaches and on boat in the backwaters, Kerala is definitely for you!

    Seriously, if you are flying to Cochin, a day or two checking out Fort Kochi, where the aforementioned Mattanchery and St Francis Church are located, might just be worth it.
    Beaches not really my thing (also Maldives beaches are the best anyway). I want weird deep India, spiritual India, ancient India
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,146
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

    Be sure to check out Isam's shop and the Chris Waddle Museum if you're ever near Kannur, northern Kerala.




    Serious question

    I may be in the Maldives in a couple weeks, and I’ve thought about taking the chance to go to Kerala when my assignment there is over. it is just a short hop from Male to Cochin

    If I go to Kerala, where must I go? What’s a MUST SEE? Any hidden jewels?
    To be honest, there's nothing really architectural in Kerala, the neighbouring states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu have plenty to offer there, but having said that, there a few historical sites in Kerala notable for their, er , history.

    St Angelo's Fort in Kannur, built in its original form by the Portuguese as early as 1505, then taken over by the Dutch in 1663, then sold in 1772 to the native king Ali Raja, and then taken over by the British in 1790.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Angelo_Fort

    In Cochin itself you have the Mattanchery Palace, again built by the Portuguese, but taken over by the Dutch and then the Brits. And a few miles away, the Paradesi Synagogue and Church of St Francis, dating from 1503, and also Portuguese in origin. It was the resting place of Vasco da Gama from his death in 1524 until 1538 (re-interred in Lisbon).

    Kappad Beach near Calicut was the site of da Gama's landing in 1498. Not much there apart from a rocky promontory, but thought you might find that interesting too!
    Thankyou!

    In the light of what you say: Why do people rave about Kerala then? That sounds a bit disappointing TBH?

    Maybe I should go to Karnataka or Tamil Nadu?
    Well, if you're into lazing on beaches and on boat in the backwaters, Kerala is definitely for you!

    Seriously, if you are flying to Cochin, a day or two checking out Fort Kochi, where the aforementioned Mattanchery and St Francis Church are located, might just be worth it.
    Beaches not really my thing (also Maldives beaches are the best anyway). I want weird deep India, spiritual India, ancient India
    Oh Lord, the heir of George Harrison is amongst us.
  • dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    carnforth said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Didn't we want to still be part of Horizon but they said we couldn't?
    It was in the withdrawal agreement, and reiterated in the TCA. The EU witheld final formal association as leverage over NI. The UK was suing the EU at the ECJ over this, claiming it broke the WA.

    Hardcore Remainers' attempts to magic a Rejoin narrative into existence by claiming that Horizon membership is some sort of undoing of Brexit, including on PB, have been strange. It's not clear whether they don't know the above facts, or whether they do and have just spotted an opportunity.
    Whoever could they have learned that sort of downright cynical, dishonest behaviour from?
    Someone they claim to be better than, naturally.
    The phrase sauce for the goose springs to mind. No point moaning now.
    Which parts of the rejoin propaganda aren't just revenge lies?
  • Allez les Blanches!
  • A French try, with panache
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

    Be sure to check out Isam's shop and the Chris Waddle Museum if you're ever near Kannur, northern Kerala.




    Serious question

    I may be in the Maldives in a couple weeks, and I’ve thought about taking the chance to go to Kerala when my assignment there is over. it is just a short hop from Male to Cochin

    If I go to Kerala, where must I go? What’s a MUST SEE? Any hidden jewels?
    To be honest, there's nothing really architectural in Kerala, the neighbouring states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu have plenty to offer there, but having said that, there a few historical sites in Kerala notable for their, er , history.

    St Angelo's Fort in Kannur, built in its original form by the Portuguese as early as 1505, then taken over by the Dutch in 1663, then sold in 1772 to the native king Ali Raja, and then taken over by the British in 1790.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Angelo_Fort

    In Cochin itself you have the Mattanchery Palace, again built by the Portuguese, but taken over by the Dutch and then the Brits. And a few miles away, the Paradesi Synagogue and Church of St Francis, dating from 1503, and also Portuguese in origin. It was the resting place of Vasco da Gama from his death in 1524 until 1538 (re-interred in Lisbon).

    Kappad Beach near Calicut was the site of da Gama's landing in 1498. Not much there apart from a rocky promontory, but thought you might find that interesting too!
    Thankyou!

    In the light of what you say: Why do people rave about Kerala then? That sounds a bit disappointing TBH?

    Maybe I should go to Karnataka or Tamil Nadu?
    Well, if you're into lazing on beaches and on boat in the backwaters, Kerala is definitely for you!

    Seriously, if you are flying to Cochin, a day or two checking out Fort Kochi, where the aforementioned Mattanchery and St Francis Church are located, might just be worth it.
    Beaches not really my thing (also Maldives beaches are the best anyway). I want weird deep India, spiritual India, ancient India
    Oh Lord, the heir of George Harrison is amongst us.
    Om
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,146
    edited September 2023
    Leon said:

    So far in the oldest-family-in-the-same-place stakes (non royal) we have the Berkeleys of Berkeley Castle, and the Eltzs of Eltz Castle

    Plus maybe some Japanese hoteliers who pre-date both of them by about 500 years

    It’s surprisingly hard to find an Italian family which goes back, in situ, before about 1200

    Ricasolis of Brolio Castle. 1141.

    You should be on that one - just looked up the oldest vineyard in Italy.

    https://wineandtravelitaly.com/wineries/barone-ricasoli/

    France: Goulaines of Château de Goulaine.

    Even older winery - and in situ for 1000 years with one short interruption.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,552
    edited September 2023

    OnlyLivingBoy - Here's some data for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.

    There was a long period of decline, but then homicides began to rise again in the last two years. (Gentrification probably had more than a little to do with the decline.)

    Homicides in London are still on a downward trajectory.
    73 so far this year. The population is 9 million. 6 of those 73 have been shootings.

    https://www.murdermap.co.uk/victims/murders-london-2023-total-how-many/
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

    Be sure to check out Isam's shop and the Chris Waddle Museum if you're ever near Kannur, northern Kerala.




    Serious question

    I may be in the Maldives in a couple weeks, and I’ve thought about taking the chance to go to Kerala when my assignment there is over. it is just a short hop from Male to Cochin

    If I go to Kerala, where must I go? What’s a MUST SEE? Any hidden jewels?
    I was there in Feb, so going to un-lurk to drop some travel KNOWLEDGE. Great place, surpassed my expectations.

    Kuttikkanam - go mountain biking around the tea plantations. Absolutely stunning.

    Periyar Tiger Reserve - just up the road, very little chance of seeing tigers but nice to see elephants in their natural habitat.

    Backwaters - ruined by massive houseboats blazing music, we hired an old local guy to row us around for a day and take us down the quieter canals. Recommended.

    Varkala - interesting place. Basically Indian Khao-San road filled with domestic tourists.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    The opening game is always nervy. Especially when big teams are playing each other.
    Yep - like the football World Cup

    Both sides will qualify so there’s also no need for any player on either side to risk a broken spine

    For me France have faded a little since last season, and the All Blacks are unusually vulnerable albeit with sparkling runners. I’d have the Boks as favourites, Ireland second, France and the ABs equal third

    One of those will surely win, despite the unfair draw

    I think that's fair. Who would you put your money on, though?
    Good question

    I’d have two bets. One for the likely winners: springboks - they’re 9/2

    As an outside bet I’d go (bear with me) for England. They have a fair sprinkle of talent but are devoid of confidence and they’ve got a shit coach. But on the day they might just beat anyone and they have a very favourable draw, and they tend to do well in world cups

    England are 16/1
    Without wishing to come over all Rogerdamus I genuinely expect England to beat Argentina tomorrow, quite comfortably.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    guybrush said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    I actually have quite a few bucket list destinations left to tick off. All of Polynesia, all of the stans, all of Central America, all of southern India

    Be sure to check out Isam's shop and the Chris Waddle Museum if you're ever near Kannur, northern Kerala.




    Serious question

    I may be in the Maldives in a couple weeks, and I’ve thought about taking the chance to go to Kerala when my assignment there is over. it is just a short hop from Male to Cochin

    If I go to Kerala, where must I go? What’s a MUST SEE? Any hidden jewels?
    I was there in Feb, so going to un-lurk to drop some travel KNOWLEDGE. Great place, surpassed my expectations.

    Kuttikkanam - go mountain biking around the tea plantations. Absolutely stunning.

    Periyar Tiger Reserve - just up the road, very little chance of seeing tigers but nice to see elephants in their natural habitat.

    Backwaters - ruined by massive houseboats blazing music, we hired an old local guy to row us around for a day and take us down the quieter canals. Recommended.

    Varkala - interesting place. Basically Indian Khao-San road filled with domestic tourists.
    Cool. Ta
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Not a great game

    Springboks/Ireland still faves for me
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    The opening game is always nervy. Especially when big teams are playing each other.
    Yep - like the football World Cup

    Both sides will qualify so there’s also no need for any player on either side to risk a broken spine

    For me France have faded a little since last season, and the All Blacks are unusually vulnerable albeit with sparkling runners. I’d have the Boks as favourites, Ireland second, France and the ABs equal third

    One of those will surely win, despite the unfair draw

    I think that's fair. Who would you put your money on, though?
    Good question

    I’d have two bets. One for the likely winners: springboks - they’re 9/2

    As an outside bet I’d go (bear with me) for England. They have a fair sprinkle of talent but are devoid of confidence and they’ve got a shit coach. But on the day they might just beat anyone and they have a very favourable draw, and they tend to do well in world cups

    England are 16/1
    Yeah if they have an easy run in their pools, stay injury free and their confidence and cohesiveness build, England could be in with a shot. Same for Australia and maybe Wales.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    The opening game is always nervy. Especially when big teams are playing each other.
    Yep - like the football World Cup

    Both sides will qualify so there’s also no need for any player on either side to risk a broken spine

    For me France have faded a little since last season, and the All Blacks are unusually vulnerable albeit with sparkling runners. I’d have the Boks as favourites, Ireland second, France and the ABs equal third

    One of those will surely win, despite the unfair draw

    I think that's fair. Who would you put your money on, though?
    Good question

    I’d have two bets. One for the likely winners: springboks - they’re 9/2

    As an outside bet I’d go (bear with me) for England. They have a fair sprinkle of talent but are devoid of confidence and they’ve got a shit coach. But on the day they might just beat anyone and they have a very favourable draw, and they tend to do well in world cups

    England are 16/1
    Without wishing to come over all Rogerdamus I genuinely expect England to beat Argentina tomorrow, quite comfortably.
    Me too.
    Not sure about the "comfortably".
    But I'd be surprised if they don't win the group unbeaten. Then beat Australia or Wales.
    Then have a huge "It's coming home" wave from folk who don't know their rugby union.
    Who are then stunned by the 30+ point semi final battering.
  • dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    The opening game is always nervy. Especially when big teams are playing each other.
    Yep - like the football World Cup

    Both sides will qualify so there’s also no need for any player on either side to risk a broken spine

    For me France have faded a little since last season, and the All Blacks are unusually vulnerable albeit with sparkling runners. I’d have the Boks as favourites, Ireland second, France and the ABs equal third

    One of those will surely win, despite the unfair draw

    I think that's fair. Who would you put your money on, though?
    Good question

    I’d have two bets. One for the likely winners: springboks - they’re 9/2

    As an outside bet I’d go (bear with me) for England. They have a fair sprinkle of talent but are devoid of confidence and they’ve got a shit coach. But on the day they might just beat anyone and they have a very favourable draw, and they tend to do well in world cups

    England are 16/1
    Without wishing to come over all Rogerdamus I genuinely expect England to beat Argentina tomorrow, quite comfortably.
    Me too.
    Not sure about the "comfortably".
    But I'd be surprised if they don't win the group unbeaten. Then beat Australia or Wales.
    Then have a huge "It's coming home" wave from folk who don't know their rugby union.
    Who are then stunned by the 30+ point semi final battering.
    I know nothing at all about Rugby Union but I do know that unfortunately we are not a good team at the moment.

    But you never know!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    The opening game is always nervy. Especially when big teams are playing each other.
    Yep - like the football World Cup

    Both sides will qualify so there’s also no need for any player on either side to risk a broken spine

    For me France have faded a little since last season, and the All Blacks are unusually vulnerable albeit with sparkling runners. I’d have the Boks as favourites, Ireland second, France and the ABs equal third

    One of those will surely win, despite the unfair draw

    I think that's fair. Who would you put your money on, though?
    Good question

    I’d have two bets. One for the likely winners: springboks - they’re 9/2

    As an outside bet I’d go (bear with me) for England. They have a fair sprinkle of talent but are devoid of confidence and they’ve got a shit coach. But on the day they might just beat anyone and they have a very favourable draw, and they tend to do well in world cups

    England are 16/1
    Without wishing to come over all Rogerdamus I genuinely expect England to beat Argentina tomorrow, quite comfortably.
    Me too.
    Not sure about the "comfortably".
    But I'd be surprised if they don't win the group unbeaten. Then beat Australia or Wales.
    Then have a huge "It's coming home" wave from folk who don't know their rugby union.
    Who are then stunned by the 30+ point semi final battering.
    I know nothing at all about Rugby Union but I do know that unfortunately we are not a good team at the moment.

    But you never know!
    The key thing to remember is that rugby is going through an unusually egalitarian phase. There are 6-9 leading teams who could beat each other on a good day, especially in the fevered atmos of a World Cup

    So in that light 16/1 on a team like England is generous. England are fairly shit but not that shit, in context
  • MattW said:

    Reports of the Ukrainian army making progress towards Donetsk (city). I hadn't realised how close to the frontline it was already.

    After Crimea, Donetsk is obviously the next biggest prize for Ukraine. The challenges of taking control of a city like that are not insignificant. However they were fairly close to defeating the separatists in 2014 before Putin intervened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG5rhG1wZjQ

    The sensible thing for Crimea is to make it a Kessel - the frontal assault across the Isthmus would be horrific.
    You want to make it somewhere the Millennium Falcon can run in 12 parsecs?
  • Well that may not be a try, but it was certainly stylish!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    carnforth said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Didn't we want to still be part of Horizon but they said we couldn't?
    It was in the withdrawal agreement, and reiterated in the TCA. The EU witheld final formal association as leverage over NI. The UK was suing the EU at the ECJ over this, claiming it broke the WA.

    Hardcore Remainers' attempts to magic a Rejoin narrative into existence by claiming that Horizon membership is some sort of undoing of Brexit, including on PB, have been strange. It's not clear whether they don't know the above facts, or whether they do and have just spotted an opportunity.
    Yes, so Horizon got suspended because Britain refused to implement the NI protocol. Once we agreed to abide by our agreements, Horizon was back on the table.

    The lesson learned is that our government cannot unilaterally rip up treaties without consequence.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    TimS said:



    Except perhaps in one way. If the US were to disengage completely from the conflict, as opposed to attempting to dictate Ukraine's action in the war, then I do wonder if the European powers might be in a position to help Ukraine win anyway. Is Russia's conventional military now that much more powerful than a Ukraine supplied by the UK, France, Germany, Sweden and the rest of Europe? And Macron would be very keen to demonstrate strategic autonomy. "Very well, alone".

    That doesn't seem likely. The Ukrainians have had $77bn off the US to go to the end of the street in Robotyne so I doubt the Coalition of Euro Super Friends are going to be able to fill that gap in full.



    It depends on what the US intentions are. If they just don't care and want to stop shovelling dollars into the Ukrainian money furnace then that's one thing. If they actually want the conflict to stop then it wouldn't be very difficult for them to peel off the usual suspects from Team Europe and collapse that effort.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Fractured, nervy game

    Ireland and the Boks both better than this?

    But great French kicking

    The opening game is always nervy. Especially when big teams are playing each other.
    Yep - like the football World Cup

    Both sides will qualify so there’s also no need for any player on either side to risk a broken spine

    For me France have faded a little since last season, and the All Blacks are unusually vulnerable albeit with sparkling runners. I’d have the Boks as favourites, Ireland second, France and the ABs equal third

    One of those will surely win, despite the unfair draw

    I think that's fair. Who would you put your money on, though?
    Good question

    I’d have two bets. One for the likely winners: springboks - they’re 9/2

    As an outside bet I’d go (bear with me) for England. They have a fair sprinkle of talent but are devoid of confidence and they’ve got a shit coach. But on the day they might just beat anyone and they have a very favourable draw, and they tend to do well in world cups

    England are 16/1
    Without wishing to come over all Rogerdamus I genuinely expect England to beat Argentina tomorrow, quite comfortably.
    Me too.
    Not sure about the "comfortably".
    But I'd be surprised if they don't win the group unbeaten. Then beat Australia or Wales.
    Then have a huge "It's coming home" wave from folk who don't know their rugby union.
    Who are then stunned by the 30+ point semi final battering.
    I know nothing at all about Rugby Union but I do know that unfortunately we are not a good team at the moment.

    But you never know!
    Thing is. England aren't THAT bad.
    But they are very used to being one of the best two NH teams. They aren't now. A long way behind.
    BUT. The two best NH teams are as good as the Southern Hemisphere. Which is unusual.
    So. They are crap compared to Ireland/France. But they are much better than the usual. And it wouldn't be a surprise if either won. Don't think there's been a RU WC where two NH teams are genuine contenders before.
    Unfortunately neither is England.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    edited September 2023
    Allez Les bleus
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/08/legionella-found-onboard-the-bibby-stockholm-is-most-deadly-strain

    If it's not Scampton archaeology, it's barge plumbing. Who'd be a HO minister?

    'After the evacuation of the barge, its water system was flushed in the hope of eliminating the bacteria. New tests were carried out on 15 August and the Home Office hoped the results would show there was no longer legionella onboard so that asylum seekers could return.

    The Home Office has not yet announced the results. However, freedom of information data from Dorset council shared with the Guardian has confirmed that the most deadly strain – Legionella pneumophila Serogroup 1 – was found in a galley pot-wash hose outlet in tests conducted at 3.28pm on 15 August. According to the FoI response, this result was “unsatisfactory”.'
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    France are pretty impressive tbh. They can play any way you like to take them on.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    5th day in a row with temperatures over 30C in London. We should end up with 7 days by Sunday. Possibly just squeezing out a final 8th on Monday though that's unlikely.

    Before this year the record number of consecutive 30s in September was 3. The record for consecutive 30+ in any month is still held by the June/July 1976 spell, followed by the record breaking August 2003. But this I think ends up third longest of all time. In Autumn.

    Yesterday's mean Central England Temperature was 23.3C. The warmest 24 hours in September history and one of the warmest 24 hours in any month in the UK.

    France has has a week of mid to high 30s. Widely record breaking and completely unprecedented for the time of year.

    But next week it's back to Autumn, folks. Will come as a bit of a shock

    Early and mid September are summer, not autumn. And the heat is grim. A cool down cannot come soon enough. I have barely slept all week.

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/seasons/autumn/when-does-autumn-start
    They are astronomical summer but meteorological autumn.
    A debate as old as time (well almost). September is autumn just as March is spring. Leaves start turning orange in September. Lambs frolic and birds tweet in March. Schools are back for the Autumn term. Occams Razor, or its Met equivalent.
    Both are valid.
    There's also the 'what does it feel like' test which is deeply subjective. For me, Autumn starts when the kids go back to school; winter when you open the first window of the advent calendar; Spring when it starts to feel Springlike - here, that's typically mid to late March - and summer some time in early June, or earlier if it's a particularly glorious May - or else when the first test cricket match starts. But summer also sometimes ends on August bank holiday Monday, leaving a few seasonless days before Autumn starts.
    Congrats on your 10,000th and the charming cameo of your daughter

    I’d have thought in Manchester summer begins on the first properly warm day - over 25C - in early June, then ends on the only other warm day, a few weeks later
    Haha - no, we just have different standards of warm. But I think trees and flowers are more relevant than temperature. While there is still blossom, it is spring; once these give way to green leaves, summer. Once the leaves start to turn, as they already have, calling it early Autumn doesn't seem daft, even if it's 26 degrees.
    I’m sitting outside in the garden of a charming boutique Tudor hotel in the Forest of Dean. It is 25C at 7.30pm, there are wasps and drowsy flowers, and a pastel pink sunset hazed by the warmth. This is still, definitely, summer. Late summer, but summer nonetheless

    Autumn for me - in southern England - reliably begins around September 15th. Looks like this month won’t be an exception
    Well the leaves here are already on the turn, and the light of early September is not a summer light. Dark by 8ish, for a start. But mainly for me its because my seasons are so governed by the activities of my daughters. Once they are back to school, it just seems self-deluding to call it summer.
    As I say, it's all highly subjective and personal. This is just how I feel about it.
    I entirely agree, and I find it equally fascinating

    And for me it really matters coz I get SAD and the British winter fucks me up, big time, so I need to know when to FLEE
    I'm looking forward to the updates on PB of this coming winter's "FLEEING". :smile:

    Anything left on the bucket list?
    THE ISLANDS OF CAMBODIA, in early November, for the Gazette
    I didn't even know Cambodia had islands.

    I love PB!!!
    They do. They are the new frontier of Indochinese tourism - basically Thai islands about 30-40 years ago

    https://southeastasiabackpacker.com/destinations/cambodia/the-islands/

    The truly great undiscovered paradise around this corner is the islands of Myanmar. There are thousands. Many utterly untouched. Probably they should stay that way - but I doubt they will…

    I didn't get to the islands when I was there, but it is a fascinating place. I particularly liked Mount Popa, the Hill of Nats (Bhuddist Saints), including this one who should be the patron Nat of PB:




    Min Kyawzwa
    I thought Malc was the patron Nat of PB.
    Similar. Nat Min Kyawzwa is the Nat in charge of drinking, gambling, and gunplay. Burmese will leave offerings of whisky etc at his shrine when planning a busy weekend.
  • Good win for France

    NZ won't be too worried. They will be back.
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