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Rishi Sunak’s chopper is going to get him into a lot of trouble – politicalbetting.com

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  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792
    pm215 said:


    Incidentally expensive coffee isn't actually that ridiculously expensive. Tea is the great rip off when eating or drinking out, as far as raw cost as a proportion of your cost is concerned.

    Coffee made from beans is simply far more expensive than instant coffee. There's a variety of reasons why, but it's a much better product too. Even just for black coffee, and even at home, it is far more expensive.

    Also the espresso based drinks require fairly expensive equipment for grinding the beans and making the coffee, and AIUI espresso is also quite a finicky way to prepare coffee -- requires careful attention to quantities, temperatures and times for good results, compared to filter or cafetiere which have much higher tolerances for variation in the process without drifting out of the range of decent results.

    Entirely agreed about tea -- I'd feel better about it if you were at least getting loose leaf tea, but it's almost always just a teabag in a pot...
    Nothing wrong with a teabag in a pot, mind. But it should't cost £2.50.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

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    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

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    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    Instant <> Filter!
    I know.

    On a scale of 1 to 10, instant is the 1, espresso is the 10, and filter is about a 3.5

    Filter is far more real coffee than instant is, but it lacks the pressure to make a good coffee. Or leave a cup with it's crema normally.
    Balls

    English espresso is pussy pretend stuff anyway, nothing like the octane you get in Italy
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,421
    edited August 2023

    HYUFD said:

    Sunak is an ex Goldman Sachs banker who still thinks in that mindset of what is the quickest way to get somewhere he needs to get business done. However he has to remember in politics unlike high finance, public perception is also an issue.

    Helicopters also are a more dangerous way to travel than cars or trains or planes, in terms of accidents per journey so on that side of things using more non helicopter transportation would also be safer for him

    It would be in his political interest to stop the use of his helicopter but not being safe is a bizarre reason not least as the Coastguard, Air ambulance, and police fly 24/7 in the course of their work
    Nah they don't. They fly when they have to. Helicopters are expensive to run and maintain so they ain't flying 24/7. As to safety, you're hanging from a spinning rotor, so it can go south pretty rapidly. They're safe, but not the safest form of transport.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    pigeon said:

    Coffee is revolting muck. A nice cup of tea is infinitely preferable.

    Tea is mud. And responsible for the downfall of the British Empire.
    Both rely on boiling bits of plant, but only one is remotely palatable. And I'm reasonably sure that the empire collapsed because people didn't like being colonised and we stopped shooting the ones who rebelled. I doubt that PG Tips really comes into it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Too much chat from coffee wankers. I think I will go and do a five hour round trip to buy a VR6 TT that I don't really want.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    Coffee is revolting muck. A nice cup of tea is infinitely preferable.

    Tea is mud. And responsible for the downfall of the British Empire.
    Both rely on boiling bits of plant, but only one is remotely palatable. And I'm reasonably sure that the empire collapsed because people didn't like being colonised and we stopped shooting the ones who rebelled. I doubt that PG Tips really comes into it.
    It’s a quote. From a very snobbish character written by a social climbing snob.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    Miklosvar said:

    He comes across as elitist and out of touch, because he is.

    Have you spoken to him? I have, and he really isn't. Or at least he wasn't back in 2020...
    I've never spoken to him but I can listen to the words coming out of his mouth and the tone with which he employs them. I'm sure he can seem very nice in person, almost all politicians do, it's one of the typical characteristics of people who go into this line of work. I have spoken to Boris Johnson and David Cameron, among others, and they were very nice to talk to, but that doesn't stop them from being over-privileged, arrogant w*nkers with no real knowledge of, or interest in, the lives of ordinary people. Sunak is just another posh boy who doesn't know the price of a pint of milk.
    The out of touch bit is thinking anyone knows the price of a pint of milk, it's a supermarket essential you never buy separately.

    Have you spoken to him? is not a useful question though unless he's going to sit down with each individual voter.
    The price of milk is perhaps the only thing which is bought regularly, near universally and has little variation in quantity and quality.

    Bread can vary from 40p to over £2.

    A tin of beans or a pack of teabags varies depending on type and brand and isn't bought by as many.

    Housing costs are much larger for those who have them but many don't and also vary considerably for those who do.

    Similarly for transport costs.
    Milk varies dramatically based on bottle size though.


    A 2 pint bottle costs most of the price of a 4 pint bottle. I wouldn't dream of paying for a 1 pint bottle, total waste of money that.
    Surely it depends if you are going to use it.

    Night before going on holiday you run out of milk.

    Do you buy a 4pt or a 1pt bottle for you cereal and coffee in the morning?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Miklosvar said:

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    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    Instant <> Filter!
    I know.

    On a scale of 1 to 10, instant is the 1, espresso is the 10, and filter is about a 3.5

    Filter is far more real coffee than instant is, but it lacks the pressure to make a good coffee. Or leave a cup with it's crema normally.
    Balls

    English espresso is pussy pretend stuff anyway, nothing like the octane you get in Italy
    Depends on the place. All the chains are fairly shit.
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    Miklosvar said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    What is the conflation of instant with filter for? Filter is just how you make coffee, unless you have a yuppie nerdy yen for expensive and unnecessary machines
    Filter is a reasonable way to make coffee if you can't afford a good way to do it. Filtered coffee lacks the pressure to make the coffee well.

    I have a coffee machine at home, pricy but well worth it's money. On a per cup of coffee machine it's a bargain despite costing hundreds, far better than those cheap machines you get that then put plastic pods into.

    Buying the coffee beans themselves, not the machine to handle them, is over the long term the expensive at home part of getting a good coffee.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    SPAC is the American version of a cash shell. I’m just showing my age.
  • For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    I prefer SPIV.

    Special Purpose Investment Vehicle.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    I prefer SPIV.

    Special Purpose Investment Vehicle.
    They are horrific vehicles that were massively abused over the last 3 or 4 years
  • For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    I prefer SPIV.

    Special Purpose Investment Vehicle.
    They are horrific vehicles that were massively abused over the last 3 or 4 years
    As I've said professionally, SPIV by name, spiv by nature.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    I prefer SPIV.

    Special Purpose Investment Vehicle.
    Please do not insult Spivs. Some of my best friends etc…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    I prefer SPIV.

    Special Purpose Investment Vehicle.
    They are horrific vehicles that were massively abused over the last 3 or 4 years
    A little while ago, I came across an attempt to use a SPAC as part of a cryptocurrency/space launch* scam

    HOUSE!

    *apparently running your coin on servers in LEO is a better kind of scam.
  • theakestheakes Posts: 930
    The question I have is for goodness sake why do Prime Ministers think and believe they have to go travelling hither and thither to highlight an issue or topic. What are they running away from?
    It means the media are travelling around as well following them, it is all a circus and an exp[ensive one.
    There is no need, he should stay at number 10 and get on with the job there.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    I read Asterix when I was a kid, so all I can think of is SPQR
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,634

    HYUFD said:

    Sunak is an ex Goldman Sachs banker who still thinks in that mindset of what is the quickest way to get somewhere he needs to get business done. However he has to remember in politics unlike high finance, public perception is also an issue.

    Helicopters also are a more dangerous way to travel than cars or trains or planes, in terms of accidents per journey so on that side of things using more non helicopter transportation would also be safer for him

    It would be in his political interest to stop the use of his helicopter but not being safe is a bizarre reason not least as the Coastguard, Air ambulance, and police fly 24/7 in the course of their work
    Nah they don't. They fly when they have to. Helicopters are expensive to run and maintain so they ain't flying 24/7. As to safety, you're hanging from a spinning rotor, so it can go south pretty rapidly. They're safe, but not the safest form of transport.
    As Leicester City fans know very well.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

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    Miklosvar said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    What is the conflation of instant with filter for? Filter is just how you make coffee, unless you have a yuppie nerdy yen for expensive and unnecessary machines
    Filter is a reasonable way to make coffee if you can't afford a good way to do it. Filtered coffee lacks the pressure to make the coffee well.

    I have a coffee machine at home, pricy but well worth it's money. On a per cup of coffee machine it's a bargain despite costing hundreds, far better than those cheap machines you get that then put plastic pods into.

    Buying the coffee beans themselves, not the machine to handle them, is over the long term the expensive at home part of getting a good coffee.
    Just spent £4000 on a bicycle, so I don't think affordability is the issue.

    You are the victim of a long line of marketing scams. The espresso method was invented for speed and cost savings rather than improvement of taste, it has degenerated into the slowest method of preparing coffee for sale in history and produces an end result which has to be watered or milked down by 9 out of 10 consumers to disguise its nature.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,785
    Football: the results have developed in a way not necessarily to my advantage.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Thank you all for your suggestions. I will in future order a "filter coffee with milk" or "An Americano with milk". And not "Just a normal fucking coffee with milk you pretentious bastard", which I now understand upsets people. Lessons Have Been Learned.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    SPAC is the American version of a cash shell. I’m just showing my age.
    Doesn’t a cash shell not necessarily involve stock market listing? I thought they were generally private companies?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    Sandpit said:

    FPT: left-wing civil war over ULEZ

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/extinction-rebellion-founder-ulez-tyres-slashed/

    “The founder of Extinction Rebellion has hit out at Sadiq Khan’s ultra-low emissions zone (Ulez) as “intrusive” and “regressive” for the lowest-paid Londoners.

    “Roger Hallam made the comments in a thread on social media site X, in which he also attacked “urban middle-class neo-liberal Left” thinkers behind the Mayor’s road charge.

    “He was responding to a Guardian column by Prof Devi Sridhar that argued in favour of Ulez and low-traffic neighbourhoods (LTNs). Hallam criticised supporters of the schemes for a “total lack of sensitivity and self-awareness”, claiming it showed a “myopic privilege”.”

    Stopped Clock Alert.

    A flat price and a hard edged zone for solution is a poor taxation method. It doesn't encourage all the behaviours we want and targets the wrong groups.

    Why is it that an EV Hummer is nearly free of taxation?
    Because people who can afford to spend £150k on a truly terrible car have already spent a small fortune in tax?
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    viewcode said:

    Thank you all for your suggestions. I will in future order a "filter coffee with milk" or "An Americano with milk". And not "Just a normal fucking coffee with milk you pretentious bastard", which I now understand upsets people. Lessons Have Been Learned.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66491373

    In other beverage news beer to go is to remain after all. Personal intervention by rishi who thinks we will love him for it
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243
    edited August 2023

    For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    SPAC is the American version of a cash shell. I’m just showing my age.
    Doesn’t a cash shell not necessarily involve stock market listing? I thought they were generally private companies?

    Technically most cash shells are listed companies who have sold their operating business leaving just cash plus the listing

    You can under the Yellow Book* list a cash shell de novo

    There’s not much point in a private cash shell. That’s just an investment company.

    * brownie points available
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,126

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    Miklosvar said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    What is the conflation of instant with filter for? Filter is just how you make coffee, unless you have a yuppie nerdy yen for expensive and unnecessary machines
    Filter is a reasonable way to make coffee if you can't afford a good way to do it. Filtered coffee lacks the pressure to make the coffee well.

    I have a coffee machine at home, pricy but well worth it's money. On a per cup of coffee machine it's a bargain despite costing hundreds, far better than those cheap machines you get that then put plastic pods into.

    Buying the coffee beans themselves, not the machine to handle them, is over the long term the expensive at home part of getting a good coffee.
    Filter coffee is better than 95% of cafe made coffee in my experience.

    Mokka pot espresso on a gas stove then Filter is my preference.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,126
    Miklosvar said:

    .

    Miklosvar said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    What is the conflation of instant with filter for? Filter is just how you make coffee, unless you have a yuppie nerdy yen for expensive and unnecessary machines
    Filter is a reasonable way to make coffee if you can't afford a good way to do it. Filtered coffee lacks the pressure to make the coffee well.

    I have a coffee machine at home, pricy but well worth it's money. On a per cup of coffee machine it's a bargain despite costing hundreds, far better than those cheap machines you get that then put plastic pods into.

    Buying the coffee beans themselves, not the machine to handle them, is over the long term the expensive at home part of getting a good coffee.
    Just spent £4000 on a bicycle, so I don't think affordability is the issue.

    You are the victim of a long line of marketing scams. The espresso method was invented for speed and cost savings rather than improvement of taste, it has degenerated into the slowest method of preparing coffee for sale in history and produces an end result which has to be watered or milked down by 9 out of 10 consumers to disguise its nature.
    Totally agree with this.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Mortimer said:

    .

    Miklosvar said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    What is the conflation of instant with filter for? Filter is just how you make coffee, unless you have a yuppie nerdy yen for expensive and unnecessary machines
    Filter is a reasonable way to make coffee if you can't afford a good way to do it. Filtered coffee lacks the pressure to make the coffee well.

    I have a coffee machine at home, pricy but well worth it's money. On a per cup of coffee machine it's a bargain despite costing hundreds, far better than those cheap machines you get that then put plastic pods into.

    Buying the coffee beans themselves, not the machine to handle them, is over the long term the expensive at home part of getting a good coffee.
    Filter coffee is better than 95% of cafe made coffee in my experience.

    Mokka pot espresso on a gas stove then Filter is my preference.
    Good point, bialetti is acceptable
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    FPT: left-wing civil war over ULEZ

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/extinction-rebellion-founder-ulez-tyres-slashed/

    “The founder of Extinction Rebellion has hit out at Sadiq Khan’s ultra-low emissions zone (Ulez) as “intrusive” and “regressive” for the lowest-paid Londoners.

    “Roger Hallam made the comments in a thread on social media site X, in which he also attacked “urban middle-class neo-liberal Left” thinkers behind the Mayor’s road charge.

    “He was responding to a Guardian column by Prof Devi Sridhar that argued in favour of Ulez and low-traffic neighbourhoods (LTNs). Hallam criticised supporters of the schemes for a “total lack of sensitivity and self-awareness”, claiming it showed a “myopic privilege”.”

    Stopped Clock Alert.

    A flat price and a hard edged zone for solution is a poor taxation method. It doesn't encourage all the behaviours we want and targets the wrong groups.

    Why is it that an EV Hummer is nearly free of taxation?
    Because people who can afford to spend £150k on a truly terrible car have already spent a small fortune in tax?
    The beatings should continue until their behaviour improves.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited August 2023
    Did we do this in Wintonian* news?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/13/fred-thomas-former-marine-chosen-by-labour-to-stand-against-johnny-mercer-in-plymouth

    *Wincastrian? Wykehamian? WHatever they are called ...
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,126
    theakes said:

    The question I have is for goodness sake why do Prime Ministers think and believe they have to go travelling hither and thither to highlight an issue or topic. What are they running away from?
    It means the media are travelling around as well following them, it is all a circus and an exp[ensive one.
    There is no need, he should stay at number 10 and get on with the job there.

    I bow to no-one in thinking Rishi is an electoral dud, but this sort of hair-shirtism is mad.

    Anyone who has ever had a job where the big boss (either the floor, or the store, or the branch office) visits knows that its important for morale, and incentivising, and hitting targets, and back-patting, and general well-being.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited August 2023
    Mortimer said:

    theakes said:

    The question I have is for goodness sake why do Prime Ministers think and believe they have to go travelling hither and thither to highlight an issue or topic. What are they running away from?
    It means the media are travelling around as well following them, it is all a circus and an exp[ensive one.
    There is no need, he should stay at number 10 and get on with the job there.

    I bow to no-one in thinking Rishi is an electoral dud, but this sort of hair-shirtism is mad.

    Anyone who has ever had a job where the big boss (either the floor, or the store, or the branch office) visits knows that its important for morale, and incentivising, and hitting targets, and back-patting, and general well-being.
    I once had a boss who only came round whenever there were non-staff female visitors around. Or apparently female. One of them was a transvestite, and 30 years ago that really was unusual. We didn't tell him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Miklosvar said:

    Mortimer said:

    .

    Miklosvar said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    What is the conflation of instant with filter for? Filter is just how you make coffee, unless you have a yuppie nerdy yen for expensive and unnecessary machines
    Filter is a reasonable way to make coffee if you can't afford a good way to do it. Filtered coffee lacks the pressure to make the coffee well.

    I have a coffee machine at home, pricy but well worth it's money. On a per cup of coffee machine it's a bargain despite costing hundreds, far better than those cheap machines you get that then put plastic pods into.

    Buying the coffee beans themselves, not the machine to handle them, is over the long term the expensive at home part of getting a good coffee.
    Filter coffee is better than 95% of cafe made coffee in my experience.

    Mokka pot espresso on a gas stove then Filter is my preference.
    Good point, bialetti is acceptable
    Though watch out for the safety “valve” system on Bialetti. I made my own safety valves and had them tested by certified steam boiler tester (see SMEE)

    Drilling a hole through a 1.6mm bronze ball bearing is good fun.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    SPAC is the American version of a cash shell. I’m just showing my age.
    Doesn’t a cash shell not necessarily involve stock market listing? I thought they were generally private companies?

    Technically most cash shells are listed companies who have sold their operating business leaving just cash plus the listing

    You can under the Yellow Book* list a cash shell de novo

    There’s not much point in a private cash shell. That’s just an investment company.

    * brownie points available
    Ah. Obviously need to read up on scams and dodges.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Carnyx said:
    Old Woks.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    edited August 2023

    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.

    You have been found guilty.

    The sentence of the Court is that you be taken hence to a place of confinement. There to be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead song on constant loop, and a laptop that enables you to read the comments, only, on Con Home.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625

    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.

    It's a long way to travel just for coffee.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    His response is good; his manner is petulant.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.

    You have been found guilty.

    The sentence of the Court is that you be taken hence to a place of confinement. There to be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead song on constant loop, and a laptop that enables you to read the comments, only, on Con Home.
    Interesting dilemma. Which is the worst Piers?
  • Ways of dealing with this sort of issue:

    1 "Wartime Royals": Make a convincing gesture towards frugality.

    2 "Boris": Treat everything as a bit of a joke, so it's hard to be genuinely cross about anything specific.

    3 "Tony": Manufacture enough self-depricating charm (however synthetic) to divert the question.

    3 "Maggie": Be so authoritative that nobody dare question what you do.

    Rishi doesn't want to do 1, and doesn't have the moves for 2, 3 or 4. Maybe it would have helped if he had got into trouble more at school. So he gets stuck with this peevishness, even though it's a really bad look.

    If he doesn't fix that personality flaw (for it is), the General Election campaign will be a helicopter crash.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited August 2023
    DougSeal said:

    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.

    You have been found guilty.

    The sentence of the Court is that you be taken hence to a place of confinement. There to be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead song on constant loop, and a laptop that enables you to read the comments, only, on Con Home.
    Interesting dilemma. Which is the worst Piers?
    Not a dilemma, surely. There is no choice at all.

    Edit: sorry, thought you were talking about El Capitano's sentence.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited August 2023
    Mortimer said:

    Miklosvar said:

    .

    Miklosvar said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    What is the conflation of instant with filter for? Filter is just how you make coffee, unless you have a yuppie nerdy yen for expensive and unnecessary machines
    Filter is a reasonable way to make coffee if you can't afford a good way to do it. Filtered coffee lacks the pressure to make the coffee well.

    I have a coffee machine at home, pricy but well worth it's money. On a per cup of coffee machine it's a bargain despite costing hundreds, far better than those cheap machines you get that then put plastic pods into.

    Buying the coffee beans themselves, not the machine to handle them, is over the long term the expensive at home part of getting a good coffee.
    Just spent £4000 on a bicycle, so I don't think affordability is the issue.

    You are the victim of a long line of marketing scams. The espresso method was invented for speed and cost savings rather than improvement of taste, it has degenerated into the slowest method of preparing coffee for sale in history and produces an end result which has to be watered or milked down by 9 out of 10 consumers to disguise its nature.
    Totally agree with this.
    Ask for ristretto. The Bercow of coffees - short and bitter.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,411
    Mortimer said:

    .

    Miklosvar said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    What is the conflation of instant with filter for? Filter is just how you make coffee, unless you have a yuppie nerdy yen for expensive and unnecessary machines
    Filter is a reasonable way to make coffee if you can't afford a good way to do it. Filtered coffee lacks the pressure to make the coffee well.

    I have a coffee machine at home, pricy but well worth it's money. On a per cup of coffee machine it's a bargain despite costing hundreds, far better than those cheap machines you get that then put plastic pods into.

    Buying the coffee beans themselves, not the machine to handle them, is over the long term the expensive at home part of getting a good coffee.
    Filter coffee is better than 95% of cafe made coffee in my experience.

    Mokka pot espresso on a gas stove then Filter is my preference.
    Quite. You can save a fortune just by buying ground bean filter coffee for a French press in the supermarket and making it at home or work.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited August 2023
    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.

    You have been found guilty.

    The sentence of the Court is that you be taken hence to a place of confinement. There to be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead song on constant loop, and a laptop that enables you to read the comments, only, on Con Home.
    Interesting dilemma. Which is the worst Piers?
    Not a dilemma, surely. There is no choice at all.

    Edit: sorry, thought you were talking about El Capitano's sentence.
    Corbyn? Morgan? Gaviston? Herne Bay?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,411
    Dura_Ace said:

    Too much chat from coffee wankers. I think I will go and do a five hour round trip to buy a VR6 TT that I don't really want.

    Make sure you ask for an extra shot.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Afternoon all :)

    Coffee...another subject able to generate significant emotion and more taste than flavour (don't know what that means either).

    I have a cheap old Nespresso machine at home which does the job at home - it's part of the family and like its owner seen better days. I don't use Nespresso pods.

    When I'm out - Black Sheep is my choice (also where I get my pods) along with The Press Room in Surbiton (if there are trains involved). I also don't mind admitting I love the Lavazza coffee in Spoons - a place where I worked had Lavazza and I got the taste there.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:
    Old Woks.
    Redolent of sesame. But it might be a lively election campaign.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sometimes political figures get on the wrong side of things and nothing they do can change it. Looks like it might have happened with Rishi Sunak. I don't know what to suggest really.

    "...There are times, perhaps once every thirty years, when there is a sea-change in politics. It then does not matter what you say or what you do. There is a shift in what the public wants and what it approves of. I suspect there is now such a sea-change and it is for Mrs. Thatcher..."

    Former Prime Minister James Callaghan on the general election of 1979, quoted in Kenneth Morgan, Callaghan: A Life (1997), p. 697, see https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/James_Callaghan
    That's the one. And Major said something similar on 2nd May 1997. Rishi will need his version soon. Shouldn't take long to draft.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    A

    Ways of dealing with this sort of issue:

    1 "Wartime Royals": Make a convincing gesture towards frugality.

    2 "Boris": Treat everything as a bit of a joke, so it's hard to be genuinely cross about anything specific.

    3 "Tony": Manufacture enough self-depricating charm (however synthetic) to divert the question.

    3 "Maggie": Be so authoritative that nobody dare question what you do.

    Rishi doesn't want to do 1, and doesn't have the moves for 2, 3 or 4. Maybe it would have helped if he had got into trouble more at school. So he gets stuck with this peevishness, even though it's a really bad look.

    If he doesn't fix that personality flaw (for it is), the General Election campaign will be a helicopter crash.

    6. Own it. I have a helicopter. And I like it.

    7. Madman. Fly your own helicopter, insist on doing interviews with journalists while you fly under bridges.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    I know the price of a pint of beer to the penny.

    Absolutely no idea for milk, even though I buy a lot of it. Milkman charges a bit more I think.

    Which is fair enough because he's driving a float and delivering to your door.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    A

    Ways of dealing with this sort of issue:

    1 "Wartime Royals": Make a convincing gesture towards frugality.

    2 "Boris": Treat everything as a bit of a joke, so it's hard to be genuinely cross about anything specific.

    3 "Tony": Manufacture enough self-depricating charm (however synthetic) to divert the question.

    3 "Maggie": Be so authoritative that nobody dare question what you do.

    Rishi doesn't want to do 1, and doesn't have the moves for 2, 3 or 4. Maybe it would have helped if he had got into trouble more at school. So he gets stuck with this peevishness, even though it's a really bad look.

    If he doesn't fix that personality flaw (for it is), the General Election campaign will be a helicopter crash.

    6. Own it. I have a helicopter. And I like it.

    7. Madman. Fly your own helicopter, insist on doing interviews with journalists while you fly under bridges.
    What's No. 5?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:
    Old Woks.
    Redolent of sesame. But it might be a lively election campaign.
    It does remove Mercer’s USP there and being a Navy seat rather than Army then advantage Labour.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Coffee...another subject able to generate significant emotion and more taste than flavour (don't know what that means either).

    I have a cheap old Nespresso machine at home which does the job at home - it's part of the family and like its owner seen better days. I don't use Nespresso pods.

    When I'm out - Black Sheep is my choice (also where I get my pods) along with The Press Room in Surbiton (if there are trains involved). I also don't mind admitting I love the Lavazza coffee in Spoons - a place where I worked had Lavazza and I got the taste there.

    There’s a coffee shop on Middlesex Street/Petticoat Lane that does a flat white so good I won’t bother going anywhere else
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Absolutely desolating report on the millions of Russian landmines laid in Ukraine and the brave Ukrainians trying to tackle them

    Sample paragraphs:


    “The ones the Ukrainian soldiers say they fear the most are the POM-2s and POM-3s.

    They are remotely distributed via rocket and float to ground on a parachute. The mine sits on its six spring-loaded feet waiting for its seismic sensors to be triggered.

    Once detonated, it leaps into into the air to chest height and fires out 1,850 razors directly at its target. The mine has a lethal range of 16 metres.

    “You can’t demine those and you don’t survive that,” said Slyusar, who was a landscape gardener before the invasion last year. “All you can do is destroy them by shooting with a Kalashnikov.””

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/13/ukraine-sappers-mine-clearers-russia-war

    I know I will be accused of doom mongering again, but this is desperate. How do you possibly attack through miles and miles of that? You can’t.

    There are millions of these mines of all types, laid along the front line. Ukraine could sacrifice every man in its army as a sapper and they wouldn’t break through. Putin has made Ukraine impassable

    This is heading to a terrible truce, with Ukraine mutilated forever
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    DougSeal said:

    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.

    You have been found guilty.

    The sentence of the Court is that you be taken hence to a place of confinement. There to be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead song on constant loop, and a laptop that enables you to read the comments, only, on Con Home.
    Interesting dilemma. Which is the worst Piers?
    Incredible to think the man who achieved the seemingly impossible accolade of being Britain’s worst Piers also reached the equally impressive feat of being Britain’s worst Corbyn.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Coffee...another subject able to generate significant emotion and more taste than flavour (don't know what that means either).

    I have a cheap old Nespresso machine at home which does the job at home - it's part of the family and like its owner seen better days. I don't use Nespresso pods.

    When I'm out - Black Sheep is my choice (also where I get my pods) along with The Press Room in Surbiton (if there are trains involved). I also don't mind admitting I love the Lavazza coffee in Spoons - a place where I worked had Lavazza and I got the taste there.

    The latest idea I’ve seen, that I rather like the idea of, is refillable pods. I’ve seen some in stainless steel that look fairly solid. Haven’t tried the coffee from them, but an interesting idea balancing avoid mess with the recycling issue
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    A
    TimS said:

    DougSeal said:

    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.

    You have been found guilty.

    The sentence of the Court is that you be taken hence to a place of confinement. There to be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead song on constant loop, and a laptop that enables you to read the comments, only, on Con Home.
    Interesting dilemma. Which is the worst Piers?
    Incredible to think the man who achieved the seemingly impossible accolade of being Britain’s worst Piers also reached the equally impressive feat of being Britain’s worst Corbyn.
    He’s also the worst Richard.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    Carnyx said:

    A

    Ways of dealing with this sort of issue:

    1 "Wartime Royals": Make a convincing gesture towards frugality.

    2 "Boris": Treat everything as a bit of a joke, so it's hard to be genuinely cross about anything specific.

    3 "Tony": Manufacture enough self-depricating charm (however synthetic) to divert the question.

    3 "Maggie": Be so authoritative that nobody dare question what you do.

    Rishi doesn't want to do 1, and doesn't have the moves for 2, 3 or 4. Maybe it would have helped if he had got into trouble more at school. So he gets stuck with this peevishness, even though it's a really bad look.

    If he doesn't fix that personality flaw (for it is), the General Election campaign will be a helicopter crash.

    6. Own it. I have a helicopter. And I like it.

    7. Madman. Fly your own helicopter, insist on doing interviews with journalists while you fly under bridges.
    What's No. 5?
    Explain it’s not actually a helicopter, just a fairly large drone.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Mortimer said:

    theakes said:

    The question I have is for goodness sake why do Prime Ministers think and believe they have to go travelling hither and thither to highlight an issue or topic. What are they running away from?
    It means the media are travelling around as well following them, it is all a circus and an exp[ensive one.
    There is no need, he should stay at number 10 and get on with the job there.

    I bow to no-one in thinking Rishi is an electoral dud, but this sort of hair-shirtism is mad.

    Anyone who has ever had a job where the big boss (either the floor, or the store, or the branch office) visits knows that its important for morale, and incentivising, and hitting targets, and back-patting, and general well-being.
    Except that with many 'big bosses' staff morale plummets everytime they heave into view.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    Leon said:

    Absolutely desolating report on the millions of Russian landmines laid in Ukraine and the brave Ukrainians trying to tackle them

    Sample paragraphs:


    “The ones the Ukrainian soldiers say they fear the most are the POM-2s and POM-3s.

    They are remotely distributed via rocket and float to ground on a parachute. The mine sits on its six spring-loaded feet waiting for its seismic sensors to be triggered.

    Once detonated, it leaps into into the air to chest height and fires out 1,850 razors directly at its target. The mine has a lethal range of 16 metres.

    “You can’t demine those and you don’t survive that,” said Slyusar, who was a landscape gardener before the invasion last year. “All you can do is destroy them by shooting with a Kalashnikov.””

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/13/ukraine-sappers-mine-clearers-russia-war

    I know I will be accused of doom mongering again, but this is desperate. How do you possibly attack through miles and miles of that? You can’t.

    There are millions of these mines of all types, laid along the front line. Ukraine could sacrifice every man in its army as a sapper and they wouldn’t break through. Putin has made Ukraine impassable

    This is heading to a terrible truce, with Ukraine mutilated forever

    They’ve already got through several lines of these in various places on the front.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited August 2023
    Another telling paragraph from that awful Russian mine story. This is a Ukrainian source speaking:


    “Yuri Sak, an adviser to the ministry of defence, is less convinced. “They have been preparing for a war in which they mine from Poland to Lisbon,” he said. “I fear they have enough.””

    The war is possibly over. In terms of Ukraine “winning”. I hope I am wrong and I am happy to be persuaded otherwise. But it seems to me that Putin has successfully defended his gains

    As the Ukrainians say in the article, even if they had the right kit it wouldn’t do the job. They are running out of men
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Absolutely desolating report on the millions of Russian landmines laid in Ukraine and the brave Ukrainians trying to tackle them

    Sample paragraphs:


    “The ones the Ukrainian soldiers say they fear the most are the POM-2s and POM-3s.

    They are remotely distributed via rocket and float to ground on a parachute. The mine sits on its six spring-loaded feet waiting for its seismic sensors to be triggered.

    Once detonated, it leaps into into the air to chest height and fires out 1,850 razors directly at its target. The mine has a lethal range of 16 metres.

    “You can’t demine those and you don’t survive that,” said Slyusar, who was a landscape gardener before the invasion last year. “All you can do is destroy them by shooting with a Kalashnikov.””

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/13/ukraine-sappers-mine-clearers-russia-war

    I know I will be accused of doom mongering again, but this is desperate. How do you possibly attack through miles and miles of that? You can’t.

    There are millions of these mines of all types, laid along the front line. Ukraine could sacrifice every man in its army as a sapper and they wouldn’t break through. Putin has made Ukraine impassable

    This is heading to a terrible truce, with Ukraine mutilated forever

    They’ve already got through several lines of these in various places on the front.
    At a cost which is so high they are not happy to discuss it. This article is a glimpse, however


    “The Russian supply of mines appears inexhaustible. “They are everywhere, Slyusar said. “I cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel.””

    Serhiy Ryzhenko, the chief medical officer of Mechnikov hospital in Dnipro, said his surgeons had treated 21,000 soldiers since the start of the war. Mines were the main culprit after artillery fire.

    “Every day Mechnikov hospital receives 50 to 100 very, very seriously wounded people,” he said. “Among these 21,000 soldiers, 2,000 were missing limbs. The first surgery for these wounded is performed quickly near the battlefield. Unfortunately, 90% of them result in amputation in the hospital.””

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    If one Ukrainian hospital is doing 100 amputations A DAY that one hospital alone is doing 3000 amputations a month. Ignore the deaths - tens of thousands of Ukrainian men are losing limbs.

    And they’ve gained a few small pockets of land, a few villages? Then Putin will relay more mines

    I’m sorry to be Brigadier Gloomypants but this isn’t good
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    TimS said:

    Carnyx said:

    A

    Ways of dealing with this sort of issue:

    1 "Wartime Royals": Make a convincing gesture towards frugality.

    2 "Boris": Treat everything as a bit of a joke, so it's hard to be genuinely cross about anything specific.

    3 "Tony": Manufacture enough self-depricating charm (however synthetic) to divert the question.

    3 "Maggie": Be so authoritative that nobody dare question what you do.

    Rishi doesn't want to do 1, and doesn't have the moves for 2, 3 or 4. Maybe it would have helped if he had got into trouble more at school. So he gets stuck with this peevishness, even though it's a really bad look.

    If he doesn't fix that personality flaw (for it is), the General Election campaign will be a helicopter crash.

    6. Own it. I have a helicopter. And I like it.

    7. Madman. Fly your own helicopter, insist on doing interviews with journalists while you fly under bridges.
    What's No. 5?
    Explain it’s not actually a helicopter, just a fairly large drone.
    I do wonder if some interviewer asks him when he's going to be patriotic/economise on staff and buy a Vertical Aerospace robo-heli-taxi.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:
    Old Woks.
    Redolent of sesame. But it might be a lively election campaign.
    It does remove Mercer’s USP there and being a Navy seat rather than Army then advantage Labour.
    Never mind just naval, Plymouth is Royal Marines hq - Stonehouse Barracks in Durnford Street

    Lefty Wykehamists are a thing, what with Crossman and Milne
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    DougSeal said:

    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.

    You have been found guilty.

    The sentence of the Court is that you be taken hence to a place of confinement. There to be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead song on constant loop, and a laptop that enables you to read the comments, only, on Con Home.
    Interesting dilemma. Which is the worst Piers?
    The choice is so much narrower nowadays, with so many of them having crumbled and fallen into the sea.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    The infuriating paradox that is PB.com. Unable to resolve the global refugee problem yet bouncing back immediately to thrash out something definitive on the different types of milk.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Mortimer said:

    .

    Miklosvar said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Rishi Sunak travelled to Southampton using a taxpayer-funded helicopter, Downing Street has admitted, despite the journey taking just over an hour on the train.’

    Ahem. that assumes no waiting time. The shortest train time (direct from Waterloo to Soton Cent) is 1hr 25, but you will not arrive immediately the train departs. Assume 15-30 mins waiting time for train to be platformed and for you to get on. Then at Soton Cent you'd have to get a taxi to wherever you are going.

    So door-to-door I'd assume at least 2hrs, assume 2.5 on the safe side.

    Incidentally Waterloo has a bookstore (Foyles) altho it is being refurbished. There are not many places in Waterloo for a nice sit down and a read, as everything is overpriced and not set up for the single reader. It does have a (grrr) coffee shop full of overpriced drinks I don't really understand, but it did (and I think it's reopened) have a nice sushi place which has nice sushi and seats upstairs where it isn't too loud.

    All coffee chains do "Black Coffee", if you simply ask for that.
    I don't like black coffee. I want coffee with milk. There is a translation from posh coffee to normal human coffee but I've forgotten what it is. If you know how to get normal coffee with normal milk, in the
    correct proportions, without the coffee looking like somebody spat in it, I would be grateful.
    Lack of normal coffee is a bugbear of mine. Some coffee shops do indeed do filter coffee, though often they are strangely reluctant to admit to it. But many just don't. Pret, in Piccadilly Gardens, for example. "We haven't got room for it. Do you want an Americano?". No. I don't want a British version of an Italian version of an American version of coffee, which is going to take you two minutes to make from your massive machine and which you're going to charge me £3.50 for. I just want a normal coffee.
    Then use a kettle at home and get a flask to put your coffee into.

    They're making real coffee, from beans, why would they offer you instant or filter instead? Like going into Greggs and asking for a Fish and Chips, it's a different product that's not what they're selling.
    Filter (or batch) is very different from instant though. It's made from beans. And then filtered.
    I'm not asking for them to do anything out of the ordinary. Grind the beans and make the coffee. No need to tit about with milk or steam. The analogy would be like going into Greggs hoping for a sandwich, but finding there were no options for themnot to toast your sandwich.
    Instant isn’t coffee. Any more than pissing in a church is praying.
    There's a similarity between this discussion and Monty Python's spam sketch, but in reverse.

    There's all sorts of ways to make coffee from espresso so lots of choices (including Americano if you just want a tall, black coffee, and a white Americano if you want that with a splash of milk).

    But some people long for the simpler days of just spam being the option.

    Most restaurants have moved away from spam as their meat now. And have moved on from instant/filter coffee typically too. Thank goodness!
    What is the conflation of instant with filter for? Filter is just how you make coffee, unless you have a yuppie nerdy yen for expensive and unnecessary machines
    Filter is a reasonable way to make coffee if you can't afford a good way to do it. Filtered coffee lacks the pressure to make the coffee well.

    I have a coffee machine at home, pricy but well worth it's money. On a per cup of coffee machine it's a bargain despite costing hundreds, far better than those cheap machines you get that then put plastic pods into.

    Buying the coffee beans themselves, not the machine to handle them, is over the long term the expensive at home part of getting a good coffee.
    Filter coffee is better than 95% of cafe made coffee in my experience.

    Mokka pot espresso on a gas stove then Filter is my preference.
    Ah, la vita amara….
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    kinabalu said:

    The infuriating paradox that is PB.com. Unable to resolve the global refugee problem yet bouncing back immediately to thrash out something definitive on the different types of milk.

    They haven't even tackled soya and oat milks yet.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    Miklosvar said:

    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:
    Old Woks.
    Redolent of sesame. But it might be a lively election campaign.
    It does remove Mercer’s USP there and being a Navy seat rather than Army then advantage Labour.
    Never mind just naval, Plymouth is Royal Marines hq - Stonehouse Barracks in Durnford Street

    Lefty Wykehamists are a thing, what with Crossman and Milne
    Does Gaitskell count as a lefty?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    Leon said:

    If one Ukrainian hospital is doing 100 amputations A DAY that one hospital alone is doing 3000 amputations a month. Ignore the deaths - tens of thousands of Ukrainian men are losing limbs.

    And they’ve gained a few small pockets of land, a few villages? Then Putin will relay more mines

    I’m sorry to be Brigadier Gloomypants but this isn’t good

    You were there recently though so you’ve seen the grim determination in the eyes of the Ukrainians. They’re not going to decide the minefields are too difficult so let’s just give Russia the Donbas.

    Russia managed months of suicidal human wave attacks in Bakhmut and Vulhedar despite everyone constantly predicting them running out of men. It’s not a nice thought that Ukraine may have to sacrifice to the same degree but I’m sceptical when the same people who insisted Russia has bottomless reserves of manpower and ammunition are equally confident the Ukrainian military is about to run out itself.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    DougSeal said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Coffee...another subject able to generate significant emotion and more taste than flavour (don't know what that means either).

    I have a cheap old Nespresso machine at home which does the job at home - it's part of the family and like its owner seen better days. I don't use Nespresso pods.

    When I'm out - Black Sheep is my choice (also where I get my pods) along with The Press Room in Surbiton (if there are trains involved). I also don't mind admitting I love the Lavazza coffee in Spoons - a place where I worked had Lavazza and I got the taste there.

    There’s a coffee shop on Middlesex Street/Petticoat Lane that does a flat white so good I won’t bother going anywhere else
    Flat white is my coffee tipple. Instant at home, flat white if I'm out. No sugar.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,573
    Leon said:

    Another telling paragraph from that awful Russian mine story. This is a Ukrainian source speaking:


    “Yuri Sak, an adviser to the ministry of defence, is less convinced. “They have been preparing for a war in which they mine from Poland to Lisbon,” he said. “I fear they have enough.””

    The war is possibly over. In terms of Ukraine “winning”. I hope I am wrong and I am happy to be persuaded otherwise. But it seems to me that Putin has successfully defended his gains

    As the Ukrainians say in the article, even if they had the right kit it wouldn’t do the job. They are running out of men

    The war is not 'possibly' over, and will not be as long as Ukraine and Ukrainians wants to fight. Having seen what Russia does to 'conquered' territories post-2014 and post-2022, my guess is that the fighting spirit will remain strong.

    But it also requires the west to back them for as long as they want to fight. Beware of doing Putin's job for him.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Leon said:

    Absolutely desolating report on the millions of Russian landmines laid in Ukraine and the brave Ukrainians trying to tackle them.

    Sample paragraphs:

    “The ones the Ukrainian soldiers say they fear the most are the POM-2s and POM-3s.

    They are remotely distributed via rocket and float to ground on a parachute. The mine sits on its six spring-loaded feet waiting for its seismic sensors to be triggered.

    Once detonated, it leaps into into the air to chest height and fires out 1,850 razors directly at its target. The mine has a lethal range of 16 metres.

    “You can’t demine those and you don’t survive that,” said Slyusar, who was a landscape gardener before the invasion last year. “All you can do is destroy them by shooting with a Kalashnikov.””

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/13/ukraine-sappers-mine-clearers-russia-war

    I know I will be accused of doom mongering again, but this is desperate. How do you possibly attack through miles and miles of that? You can’t.

    There are millions of these mines of all types, laid along the front line. Ukraine could sacrifice every man in its army as a sapper and they wouldn’t break through. Putin has made Ukraine impassable.

    This is heading to a terrible truce, with Ukraine mutilated forever.

    Topic is coffee, Leon.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited August 2023
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    If one Ukrainian hospital is doing 100 amputations A DAY that one hospital alone is doing 3000 amputations a month. Ignore the deaths - tens of thousands of Ukrainian men are losing limbs.

    And they’ve gained a few small pockets of land, a few villages? Then Putin will relay more mines

    I’m sorry to be Brigadier Gloomypants but this isn’t good

    You were there recently though so you’ve seen the grim determination in the eyes of the Ukrainians. They’re not going to decide the minefields are too difficult so let’s just give Russia the Donbas.

    Russia managed months of suicidal human wave attacks in Bakhmut and Vulhedar despite everyone constantly predicting them running out of men. It’s not a nice thought that Ukraine may have to sacrifice to the same degree but I’m sceptical when the same people who insisted Russia has bottomless reserves of manpower and ammunition are equally confident the Ukrainian military is about to run out itself.
    It’s Ukrainians themselves saying they are running out of men. And you can see why when mines are laid at a rate of “five for every square metre”

    Imagine that

    And now this:

    “WSJ:

    It was hoped that a successful counter-offensive by Ukrainian forces would help force Russia into negotiations by winter. Chances of that happening now appear slim.

    But now Western politicians are starting to think about preparing Kyiv for a possible offensive next spring.”

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1690755772714479616?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    The Ukrainians are incredibly brave. And, yes, determined. But this war may not be winnable. Like Korea
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    ydoethur said:

    Miklosvar said:

    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:
    Old Woks.
    Redolent of sesame. But it might be a lively election campaign.
    It does remove Mercer’s USP there and being a Navy seat rather than Army then advantage Labour.
    Never mind just naval, Plymouth is Royal Marines hq - Stonehouse Barracks in Durnford Street

    Lefty Wykehamists are a thing, what with Crossman and Milne
    Does Gaitskell count as a lefty?
    He does

    Must have known Crossman both at Winchester and new Coll
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792
    TimS said:

    DougSeal said:

    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.

    You have been found guilty.

    The sentence of the Court is that you be taken hence to a place of confinement. There to be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead song on constant loop, and a laptop that enables you to read the comments, only, on Con Home.
    Interesting dilemma. Which is the worst Piers?
    Incredible to think the man who achieved the seemingly impossible accolade of being Britain’s worst Piers also reached the equally impressive feat of being Britain’s worst Corbyn.
    My view is that Piers Corbyn is the worst Piers, but not the worst Corbyn.
    But they're all three awful, and I'm not going to fall out with anyone who ranks their awfulness differently.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Another telling paragraph from that awful Russian mine story. This is a Ukrainian source speaking:


    “Yuri Sak, an adviser to the ministry of defence, is less convinced. “They have been preparing for a war in which they mine from Poland to Lisbon,” he said. “I fear they have enough.””

    The war is possibly over. In terms of Ukraine “winning”. I hope I am wrong and I am happy to be persuaded otherwise. But it seems to me that Putin has successfully defended his gains

    As the Ukrainians say in the article, even if they had the right kit it wouldn’t do the job. They are running out of men

    The war is not 'possibly' over, and will not be as long as Ukraine and Ukrainians wants to fight. Having seen what Russia does to 'conquered' territories post-2014 and post-2022, my guess is that the fighting spirit will remain strong.

    But it also requires the west to back them for as long as they want to fight. Beware of doing Putin's job for him.
    This is so fucking tiresome. Merely pointing out that the Ukraine attack is now bogged down in Russian minefields - and losing terrible numbers of men - does not make me a Putinist. It is the case. Read the articles. Ukrainians themselves are saying it
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,818
    kinabalu said:

    The infuriating paradox that is PB.com. Unable to resolve the global refugee problem yet bouncing back immediately to thrash out something definitive on the different types of milk.

    Filtered.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    If one Ukrainian hospital is doing 100 amputations A DAY that one hospital alone is doing 3000 amputations a month. Ignore the deaths - tens of thousands of Ukrainian men are losing limbs.

    And they’ve gained a few small pockets of land, a few villages? Then Putin will relay more mines

    I’m sorry to be Brigadier Gloomypants but this isn’t good

    You were there recently though so you’ve seen the grim determination in the eyes of the Ukrainians. They’re not going to decide the minefields are too difficult so let’s just give Russia the Donbas.

    Russia managed months of suicidal human wave attacks in Bakhmut and Vulhedar despite everyone constantly predicting them running out of men. It’s not a nice thought that Ukraine may have to sacrifice to the same degree but I’m sceptical when the same people who insisted Russia has bottomless reserves of manpower and ammunition are equally confident the Ukrainian military is about to run out itself.
    It’s Ukrainians themselves saying they are running out of men. And you can see why when mines are laid at a rate of “five for every square metre”

    Imagine that

    And now this:

    “WSJ:

    It was hoped that a successful counter-offensive Ukrainian forces would help force Russia into negotiations by winter. Chances of that happening now appear slim.

    But now Western politicians are starting to think about preparing Kyiv for a possible offensive next spring.”

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1690755772714479616?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    The Ukrainians are incredibly brave. And, yes, determined. But this war may not be winnable. Like Korea
    If China steps in to support Russia indefinitely then it becomes analogous to Korea. That’s the only reason the South didn’t win the Korean War in the long term. The Soviets lost interest pretty quickly.

    Whereas Russia is a crooked state in an advanced state of decline that cannot maintain an empire financially. So long as the West doesn’t go back to indulging it again.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    Why won't the silly tit lengthen his trousers? I think his tailor is economising by using arms instead of legs.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    SPAC is the American version of a cash shell. I’m just showing my age.
    Doesn’t a cash shell not necessarily involve stock market listing? I thought they were generally private companies?

    Technically most cash shells are listed companies who have sold their operating business leaving just cash plus the listing

    You can under the Yellow Book* list a cash shell de novo

    There’s not much point in a private cash shell. That’s just an investment company.

    * brownie points available

    Ah. Obviously need to read up on scams and dodges.
    Neither cash shells nor SPACs are scams and dodges. They both have their uses.

    But they were abused by spivs to take money from the unwary
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    The infuriating paradox that is PB.com. Unable to resolve the global refugee problem yet bouncing back immediately to thrash out something definitive on the different types of milk.

    They haven't even tackled soya and oat milks yet.
    Ah now I have something to say on that. Oatmilk in coffee is horrible. It tastes as if you've used normal milk that's gone off. I don't take against many things when it comes to food or drink but that is one of them.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    Why won't the silly tit lengthen his trousers? I think his tailor is economising by using arms instead of legs.

    Well, using up the spare stock comes in handy.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    If one Ukrainian hospital is doing 100 amputations A DAY that one hospital alone is doing 3000 amputations a month. Ignore the deaths - tens of thousands of Ukrainian men are losing limbs.

    And they’ve gained a few small pockets of land, a few villages? Then Putin will relay more mines

    I’m sorry to be Brigadier Gloomypants but this isn’t good

    You were there recently though so you’ve seen the grim determination in the eyes of the Ukrainians. They’re not going to decide the minefields are too difficult so let’s just give Russia the Donbas.

    Russia managed months of suicidal human wave attacks in Bakhmut and Vulhedar despite everyone constantly predicting them running out of men. It’s not a nice thought that Ukraine may have to sacrifice to the same degree but I’m sceptical when the same people who insisted Russia has bottomless reserves of manpower and ammunition are equally confident the Ukrainian military is about to run out itself.
    It’s Ukrainians themselves saying they are running out of men. And you can see why when mines are laid at a rate of “five for every square metre”

    Imagine that

    And now this:

    “WSJ:

    It was hoped that a successful counter-offensive Ukrainian forces would help force Russia into negotiations by winter. Chances of that happening now appear slim.

    But now Western politicians are starting to think about preparing Kyiv for a possible offensive next spring.”

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1690755772714479616?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    The Ukrainians are incredibly brave. And, yes, determined. But this war may not be winnable. Like Korea
    If China steps in to support Russia indefinitely then it becomes analogous to Korea. That’s the only reason the South didn’t win the Korean War in the long term. The Soviets lost interest pretty quickly.

    Whereas Russia is a crooked state in an advanced state of decline that cannot maintain an empire financially. So long as the West doesn’t go back to indulging it again.
    China WILL defend Putin - and do what it takes. That is now obvious. They surely won’t let Putin drop a nuke but they won’t let him lose either. He’s their man. And he’s chewing up western money and weapons

  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Miklosvar said:

    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:

    boulay said:

    Carnyx said:
    Old Woks.
    Redolent of sesame. But it might be a lively election campaign.
    It does remove Mercer’s USP there and being a Navy seat rather than Army then advantage Labour.
    Never mind just naval, Plymouth is Royal Marines hq - Stonehouse Barracks in Durnford Street

    Lefty Wykehamists are a thing, what with Crossman and Milne
    And Gaitskell, Stafford Cripps, Giles Radice (who?) and that standard bearer for Labour, Oswald Mosely.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243
    Carnyx said:

    A

    Ways of dealing with this sort of issue:

    1 "Wartime Royals": Make a convincing gesture towards frugality.

    2 "Boris": Treat everything as a bit of a joke, so it's hard to be genuinely cross about anything specific.

    3 "Tony": Manufacture enough self-depricating charm (however synthetic) to divert the question.

    3 "Maggie": Be so authoritative that nobody dare question what you do.

    Rishi doesn't want to do 1, and doesn't have the moves for 2, 3 or 4. Maybe it would have helped if he had got into trouble more at school. So he gets stuck with this peevishness, even though it's a really bad look.

    If he doesn't fix that personality flaw (for it is), the General Election campaign will be a helicopter crash.

    6. Own it. I have a helicopter. And I like it.

    7. Madman. Fly your own helicopter, insist on doing interviews with journalists while you fly under bridges.
    What's No. 5?
    Channel it

  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Why won't the silly tit lengthen his trousers? I think his tailor is economising by using arms instead of legs.

    When a chap knows he is going to be wading through shit every day he has two choices, roll his trousers up or have your tailor make them short in the first place.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792
    kinabalu said:

    The infuriating paradox that is PB.com. Unable to resolve the global refugee problem yet bouncing back immediately to thrash out something definitive on the different types of milk.

    Indeed. With exactly the same tine of seriousness and mild fury.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    edited August 2023
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    If one Ukrainian hospital is doing 100 amputations A DAY that one hospital alone is doing 3000 amputations a month. Ignore the deaths - tens of thousands of Ukrainian men are losing limbs.

    And they’ve gained a few small pockets of land, a few villages? Then Putin will relay more mines

    I’m sorry to be Brigadier Gloomypants but this isn’t good

    You were there recently though so you’ve seen the grim determination in the eyes of the Ukrainians. They’re not going to decide the minefields are too difficult so let’s just give Russia the Donbas.

    Russia managed months of suicidal human wave attacks in Bakhmut and Vulhedar despite everyone constantly predicting them running out of men. It’s not a nice thought that Ukraine may have to sacrifice to the same degree but I’m sceptical when the same people who insisted Russia has bottomless reserves of manpower and ammunition are equally confident the Ukrainian military is about to run out itself.
    It’s Ukrainians themselves saying they are running out of men. And you can see why when mines are laid at a rate of “five for every square metre”

    Imagine that

    And now this:

    “WSJ:

    It was hoped that a successful counter-offensive Ukrainian forces would help force Russia into negotiations by winter. Chances of that happening now appear slim.

    But now Western politicians are starting to think about preparing Kyiv for a possible offensive next spring.”

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1690755772714479616?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    The Ukrainians are incredibly brave. And, yes, determined. But this war may not be winnable. Like Korea
    If China steps in to support Russia indefinitely then it becomes analogous to Korea. That’s the only reason the South didn’t win the Korean War in the long term. The Soviets lost interest pretty quickly.

    Whereas Russia is a crooked state in an advanced state of decline that cannot maintain an empire financially. So long as the West doesn’t go back to indulging it again.
    China WILL defend Putin - and do what it takes. That is now obvious. They surely won’t let Putin drop a nuke but they won’t let him lose either. He’s their man. And he’s chewing up western money and weapons

    China would be perfectly happy to see Putin lose as long as somebody even more pliable to their interests replaced him. Not only would that give them more access to Siberia but it would leave Mongolia surrounded and North Korea without other allies.

    Nightmare scenario for them is a Russian defeat, the return of the democracy and an attempted rapprochement with the West.

    Fortunately for them (rather less so for Russia) it's also a very unlikely scenario.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243
    Leon said:

    Absolutely desolating report on the millions of Russian landmines laid in Ukraine and the brave Ukrainians trying to tackle them

    Sample paragraphs:


    “The ones the Ukrainian soldiers say they fear the most are the POM-2s and POM-3s.

    They are remotely distributed via rocket and float to ground on a parachute. The mine sits on its six spring-loaded feet waiting for its seismic sensors to be triggered.

    Once detonated, it leaps into into the air to chest height and fires out 1,850 razors directly at its target. The mine has a lethal range of 16 metres.

    “You can’t demine those and you don’t survive that,” said Slyusar, who was a landscape gardener before the invasion last year. “All you can do is destroy them by shooting with a Kalashnikov.””

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/13/ukraine-sappers-mine-clearers-russia-war

    I know I will be accused of doom mongering again, but this is desperate. How do you possibly attack through miles and miles of that? You can’t.

    There are millions of these mines of all types, laid along the front line. Ukraine could sacrifice every man in its army as a sapper and they wouldn’t break through. Putin has made Ukraine impassable

    This is heading to a terrible truce, with
    Ukraine mutilated forever

    You clear a path two abreast

    You then walk back and widen the path by a further 2 man widths. That’s enough for a vehicle.

    It’s slow going and painstaking work.

    But it’s getting done.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,573
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Another telling paragraph from that awful Russian mine story. This is a Ukrainian source speaking:


    “Yuri Sak, an adviser to the ministry of defence, is less convinced. “They have been preparing for a war in which they mine from Poland to Lisbon,” he said. “I fear they have enough.””

    The war is possibly over. In terms of Ukraine “winning”. I hope I am wrong and I am happy to be persuaded otherwise. But it seems to me that Putin has successfully defended his gains

    As the Ukrainians say in the article, even if they had the right kit it wouldn’t do the job. They are running out of men

    The war is not 'possibly' over, and will not be as long as Ukraine and Ukrainians wants to fight. Having seen what Russia does to 'conquered' territories post-2014 and post-2022, my guess is that the fighting spirit will remain strong.

    But it also requires the west to back them for as long as they want to fight. Beware of doing Putin's job for him.
    This is so fucking tiresome. Merely pointing out that the Ukraine attack is now bogged down in Russian minefields - and losing terrible numbers of men - does not make me a Putinist. It is the case. Read the articles. Ukrainians themselves are saying it
    I never said you're a Putinist. And I do read lots of articles, thanks. If I may respond in kind, I might suggest you watch Perun's latest (very balanced) video that was linked to earlier.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Another telling paragraph from that awful Russian mine story. This is a Ukrainian source speaking:


    “Yuri Sak, an adviser to the ministry of defence, is less convinced. “They have been preparing for a war in which they mine from Poland to Lisbon,” he said. “I fear they have enough.””

    The war is possibly over. In terms of Ukraine “winning”. I hope I am wrong and I am happy to be persuaded otherwise. But it seems to me that Putin has successfully defended his gains

    As the Ukrainians say in the article, even if they had the right kit it wouldn’t do the job. They are running out of men

    The war is not 'possibly' over, and will not be as long as Ukraine and Ukrainians wants to fight. Having seen what Russia does to 'conquered' territories post-2014 and post-2022, my guess is that the fighting spirit will remain strong.

    But it also requires the west to back them for as long as they want to fight. Beware of doing Putin's job for him.
    This is so fucking tiresome. Merely pointing out that the Ukraine attack is now bogged down in Russian minefields - and losing terrible numbers of men - does not make me a Putinist. It is the case. Read the articles. Ukrainians themselves are saying it
    I never said you're a Putinist. And I do read lots of articles, thanks. If I may respond in kind, I might suggest you watch Perun's latest (very balanced) video that was linked to earlier.
    Please do link
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    For @NickPalmer

    Question for those more familiar with the stock markets: what is the English term for "Börsenmantelaktiengesellschaft" - apparemtly a company established for the sole purpose of obtaining a stock exchange listing?

    I don’t know the German word but guessing you are meaning “cash shell” or “shell company”?
    The suggestion, by others, which I agree with is that it sounds like a SPAC

    https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spac.asp
    SPAC is the American version of a cash shell. I’m just showing my age.
    Doesn’t a cash shell not necessarily involve stock market listing? I thought they were generally private companies?

    Technically most cash shells are listed companies who have sold their operating business leaving just cash plus the listing

    You can under the Yellow Book* list a cash shell de novo

    There’s not much point in a private cash shell. That’s just an investment company.

    * brownie points available

    Ah. Obviously need to read up on scams and dodges.
    Neither cash shells nor SPACs are scams and dodges. They both have their uses.

    But they were abused by spivs to take money from the unwary
    Bit like crypto now. Nothing wrong with the idea. Just 99% of implementations are by crooks, scammers and the deluded.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    Cookie said:

    TimS said:

    DougSeal said:

    Macchu Picchu instant coffee is really good. I’d rather have it than a “proper” Starbucks. I realise this makes me some sort of heretic that will now be cast out of PB society etc. etc.

    You have been found guilty.

    The sentence of the Court is that you be taken hence to a place of confinement. There to be placed in a cell with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn. The only entertainment is the worst Radiohead song on constant loop, and a laptop that enables you to read the comments, only, on Con Home.
    Interesting dilemma. Which is the worst Piers?
    Incredible to think the man who achieved the seemingly impossible accolade of being Britain’s worst Piers also reached the equally impressive feat of being Britain’s worst Corbyn.
    My view is that Piers Corbyn is the worst Piers, but not the worst Corbyn.
    But they're all three awful, and I'm not going to fall out with anyone who ranks their awfulness differently.
    I would place Piers’ conspiracism, actual anti-sémitism and delusional climate denial well ahead of Jeremy’s more muted tendencies in those directions, but Jeremy achieved more power so was in a position to do more potential harm.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    If one Ukrainian hospital is doing 100 amputations A DAY that one hospital alone is doing 3000 amputations a month. Ignore the deaths - tens of thousands of Ukrainian men are losing limbs.

    And they’ve gained a few small pockets of land, a few villages? Then Putin will relay more mines

    I’m sorry to be Brigadier Gloomypants but this isn’t good

    You were there recently though so you’ve seen the grim determination in the eyes of the Ukrainians. They’re not going to decide the minefields are too difficult so let’s just give Russia the Donbas.

    Russia managed months of suicidal human wave attacks in Bakhmut and Vulhedar despite everyone constantly predicting them running out of men. It’s not a nice thought that Ukraine may have to sacrifice to the same degree but I’m sceptical when the same people who insisted Russia has bottomless reserves of manpower and ammunition are equally confident the Ukrainian military is about to run out itself.
    It’s Ukrainians themselves saying they are running out of men. And you can see why when mines are laid at a rate of “five for every square metre”

    Imagine that

    And now this:

    “WSJ:

    It was hoped that a successful counter-offensive Ukrainian forces would help force Russia into negotiations by winter. Chances of that happening now appear slim.

    But now Western politicians are starting to think about preparing Kyiv for a possible offensive next spring.”

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1690755772714479616?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    The Ukrainians are incredibly brave. And, yes, determined. But this war may not be winnable. Like Korea
    If China steps in to support Russia indefinitely then it becomes analogous to Korea. That’s the only reason the South didn’t win the Korean War in the long term. The Soviets lost interest pretty quickly.

    Whereas Russia is a crooked state in an advanced state of decline that cannot maintain an empire financially. So long as the West doesn’t go back to indulging it again.
    China WILL defend Putin - and do what it takes. That is now obvious. They surely won’t let Putin drop a nuke but they won’t let him lose either. He’s their man. And he’s chewing up western money and weapons

    Have you really not got anything better to do?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792

    Why won't the silly tit lengthen his trousers? I think his tailor is economising by using arms instead of legs.

    That fashion has been around for at least 8 years, and has never not looked daft.
  • Leon said:

    Another telling paragraph from that awful Russian mine story. This is a Ukrainian source speaking:


    “Yuri Sak, an adviser to the ministry of defence, is less convinced. “They have been preparing for a war in which they mine from Poland to Lisbon,” he said. “I fear they have enough.””

    The war is possibly over. In terms of Ukraine “winning”. I hope I am wrong and I am happy to be persuaded otherwise. But it seems to me that Putin has successfully defended his gains

    As the Ukrainians say in the article, even if they had the right kit it wouldn’t do the job. They are running out of men

    As is Russia.

    And seemingly faster.

    You seem to have missed this paragraph in your quotes:

    However, Lt Oleksandr Kurbatov, 50, of the Dnipro territorial defence, said he took hope from the fact that they were finding Soviet-era anti-tank mines such as TM-62s and OZM-72s. “If they are using this Soviet shit and going to North Korea for weapons, it tells me they are running out,” he said.

    The situation is confused and uncertain but a doom and gloom slant always appeals to readers who love doomporn.
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