Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
I'd give a choice. I don't think that's rude at all.
My wife doesn't eat lamb or beef curry. I cook two different curries when we have a curry.
We had a vegan cousin over. We had roast chicken and she had potatoes and nut roast.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I like the idea that veggies and vegans have tried to make you eat “their food” at events. Like, vegetables? Would you just like a plate of meat and nothing else?
They have served just vegetables and offered nothing else.
This is well documented - and indeed even some leftwing councils do it deliberately- so let's not pretend this isn't a thing please.
They later boasted about how they insisted on an all-vegetarian buffet at work. So yeah, kind of a thing. 🤦♂️
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
So you're rude to the non veggies then?
Got it.
Mate, I can feel a Casino-type blood pressure thing happening here. We've been in to this and have come out of it all pretty chipper. If you really want to wade in getting angry and puffy and so forth by all means go for it but I would say it ain't werf it.
There is a clarification needed about Lee Anderson, his issue is apparently with asylum seekers who don't want to stay in the barge moored on the south coast, not asylum seekers in general. I don't understand where people expect 45000 asylum seekers arriving illegally on boats every year to be housed. Should they be put in social housing? The total number of completions by housing associations is 44,000 every year. But there are 1.2 million people already waiting to be housed in social housing in England, and millions more in substandard and overcrowded accommodation. So any critic of the government should also have an answer to this problem and grapple with the practical problems of migration, specifically regarding housing and infrastructure, if they think there is an alternative to 'stopping the boats'.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Whenever my brother and sister-in-law and little nephew come round, Mum always complains that she has to make TWO biryanis - a meat one and veg one. Whenever she shouts at me for being a vegetarian, I always retort that she doesn't have to eat meat
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
One good thing about Canada is they put bacon in everything.
One Christmas there I even had Brussels Sprouts which were diced and served with diced bacon. Only enjoyable Brussels Sprouts I've ever had.
In the US once (Kentucky) I ordered potato skins for a starter. What arrived was sixteen potato halves (nothing "skin" about it - they were the whole potato), slathered with all the sour cream, chives, bacon, melted cheese.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
There is a clarification needed about Lee Anderson, his issue is apparently with asylum seekers who don't want to stay in the barge moored on the south coast, not asylum seekers in general. I don't understand where people expect 45000 asylum seekers arriving illegally on boats every year to be housed. Should they be put in social housing? The total number of completions by housing associations is 44,000 every year. But there are 1.2 million people already waiting to be housed in social housing in England, and millions more in substandard and overcrowded accommodation. So any critic of the government should also have an answer to this problem and grapple with the practical problems of migration, specifically regarding housing and infrastructure, if they think there is an alternative to 'stopping the boats'.
The obvious answer is barn conversions on the Yorkshire moors.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
Beans-on-Naan, no less than Sunil's signature dish!
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Weird. Cheese burgers are one of life's pleasures. Had one last night AAMOF. And blue cheese in soup is lovely. Dash of sherry. Fantastic.
Carrot and orange soup, however, absolutely vile. Whoever thought that would work.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
Where I grew up there was a chap who lived opposite who had run a vegetarian restaurant in the 1930s. He was also a war photographer. When I knew him he was well into his 90s. He was fit, fully lucid and drove his Renault 5 every day. Amazing man. If you can do vegetarian, it can be good for you.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
Not a dinner party scenario - but at family get together / big work dos I get quite annoyed at the lack of veggie offering; not because there is nothing but because meat eaters will eat both their meat option and my veggie option, meaning the veggie option depletes quite quickly despite not many veggies being at a thing. At work we’ve started ordering veggie only buffets - half the team is veggie or vegan and when we ordered meat options alongside they were always left over but the veggie stuff would go quickly.
Because there's virtually no nutrition in your veggie stuff and you are over indulging in what's essentially a side dish?
Who's this blonde bird with specs on GB News who can't pronounces her O's properly?
She turns "voting" into "vurting", "home" into "hurm", "smoking" into "smirking"
Michelle Dewsbury? She won The Apprentice but then dropped out of the job. She then set herself up as a self proclaimed pundit.
Thanks for that! Hence "Dewbs & Co", should have known.
But I don't get the accent! Nearest I can remember is way back in my childhood, Les Dennis's impression of one of the Coronation Street characters: "I durn't really knur!"
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
Problem: we keep getting calls on the landline from people saying we've been ringing them up. We haven't. Obviously scammers have been calling people, but making it seem as if the call was coming from us rather than them. It's happened 3 times so far. (We don't want to get rid of the landline phone number, so that isn't a solution).
"Hi, do you have a pub available for sale at all?"
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
So you're rude to the non veggies then?
Got it.
Mate, I can feel a Casino-type blood pressure thing happening here. We've been in to this and have come out of it all pretty chipper. If you really want to wade in getting angry and puffy and so forth by all means go for it but I would say it ain't werf it.
I don't know why people keep talking about blood pressure and anger on here.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
You do realise they have fart-free baked beans nowadays, if that helps? Admittedly the distribution seems remarkably random.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
Not a dinner party scenario - but at family get together / big work dos I get quite annoyed at the lack of veggie offering; not because there is nothing but because meat eaters will eat both their meat option and my veggie option, meaning the veggie option depletes quite quickly despite not many veggies being at a thing. At work we’ve started ordering veggie only buffets - half the team is veggie or vegan and when we ordered meat options alongside they were always left over but the veggie stuff would go quickly.
Because there's virtually no nutrition in your veggie stuff and you are over indulging in what's essentially a side dish?
Reconsider your life.
I've been a veggie since 1991, and it has done me any harm!
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
Problem: we keep getting calls on the landline from people saying we've been ringing them up. We haven't. Obviously scammers have been calling people, but making it seem as if the call was coming from us rather than them. It's happened 3 times so far. (We don't want to get rid of the landline phone number, so that isn't a solution).
"Hi, do you have a pub available for sale at all?"
"Could I have a Beans-on-Naan and a veggie biryani, please?"
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
I think you are slightly tilting at windmills.
We were talking about friends and good manners. It is perfectly acceptable to make steak and kidney pie at your dinner party for the meat eaters and nut cutlets for the veggies. Job done. These are your friends, after all, not people who want you to "kowtow" to them.
I just said that I don't believe it is good manners to do so but am perfectly content to believe that I am an oddity in this regard.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
You do realise they have fart-free baked beans nowadays, if that helps? Admittedly the distribution seems remarkably random.
I don't dislike them though because they make me fart, the taste and texture just makes me feel like I am going to vomit
Not a "third" data leak, but more a concern with the combination of statutory data and searchable databases. The issue of [edit] anonymization, more generally, is well known in medical research. Edit: that's why sales of NHS data to commercial firms are such a sensitive issue.
Things like medical data should be de-anonymised - a process which can be more difficult than simply deleting the name in many cases, especially with small datasets.
Registers of people with changed identities, such as through adoption or witness protection, should be very heavily guarded indeed.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
You do realise they have fart-free baked beans nowadays, if that helps? Admittedly the distribution seems remarkably random.
I don't dislike them though because they make me fart, the taste and texture just makes me feel like I am going to vomit
You do know you can heat them up, not have them cold??
On topic, no the mistake would be to sack Lee Anderson. What exactly does Sunak get if he gets rid of Anderson? He doesn't get any LD and Labour voters thinking "oh maybe the Tories are not so bad after all" and he pisses off the people who respond to Lee Anderson's "robust" style. As for socially liberal Tories, if they have not left already, Anderson is not going to be the straw.
Now you can argue on taste grounds etc for a sacking but, from a political standpoint, I do not see the upside.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
When my mother ran a pub and I was a child for christmas they put a whole 15lb stilton on the bar with the idea customers could scoop some out....sadly they then left the dog in the bar overnight....the dog was not well for days
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
So you're rude to the non veggies then?
Got it.
Mate, I can feel a Casino-type blood pressure thing happening here. We've been in to this and have come out of it all pretty chipper. If you really want to wade in getting angry and puffy and so forth by all means go for it but I would say it ain't werf it.
I don't know why people keep talking about blood pressure and anger on here.
The PSNI disaster barely covered by UK press, but a huge story in ROI and NI.
Far too few people in this country get how f****** dangerous this still is for serving officers. Checking under the car every single day, never completely sure what is going to happen when you switch the ignition on, worrying about your children. It’s a disgrace.
Not a "third" data leak, but more a concern with the combination of statutory data and searchable databases. The issue of [edit] anonymization, more generally, is well known in medical research. Edit: that's why sales of NHS data to commercial firms are such a sensitive issue.
Things like medical data should be de-anonymised - a process which can be more difficult than simply deleting the name in many cases, especially with small datasets.
Registers of people with changed identities, such as through adoption or witness protection, should be very heavily guarded indeed.
'de-anonymised'? Surely you mean the opposite. But, yes.
The trouble is if you know name, dob, sickness, approx location ...
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
NEVER SCOOP STILTON OUT WITH A SPOON DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
Not a dinner party scenario - but at family get together / big work dos I get quite annoyed at the lack of veggie offering; not because there is nothing but because meat eaters will eat both their meat option and my veggie option, meaning the veggie option depletes quite quickly despite not many veggies being at a thing. At work we’ve started ordering veggie only buffets - half the team is veggie or vegan and when we ordered meat options alongside they were always left over but the veggie stuff would go quickly.
Because there's virtually no nutrition in your veggie stuff and you are over indulging in what's essentially a side dish?
Reconsider your life.
I've been a veggie since 1991, and it has done me any harm!
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
Not a dinner party scenario - but at family get together / big work dos I get quite annoyed at the lack of veggie offering; not because there is nothing but because meat eaters will eat both their meat option and my veggie option, meaning the veggie option depletes quite quickly despite not many veggies being at a thing. At work we’ve started ordering veggie only buffets - half the team is veggie or vegan and when we ordered meat options alongside they were always left over but the veggie stuff would go quickly.
Because there's virtually no nutrition in your veggie stuff and you are over indulging in what's essentially a side dish?
Reconsider your life.
I've been a veggie since 1991, and it has done me any harm!
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
Not a dinner party scenario - but at family get together / big work dos I get quite annoyed at the lack of veggie offering; not because there is nothing but because meat eaters will eat both their meat option and my veggie option, meaning the veggie option depletes quite quickly despite not many veggies being at a thing. At work we’ve started ordering veggie only buffets - half the team is veggie or vegan and when we ordered meat options alongside they were always left over but the veggie stuff would go quickly.
Because there's virtually no nutrition in your veggie stuff and you are over indulging in what's essentially a side dish?
Reconsider your life.
I've been a veggie since 1991, and it hasn't done me any harm!
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
NEVER SCOOP STILTON OUT WITH A SPOON DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN.
Cut it horizontally.
This was honestly too runny to cut. It was nearly 30 years ago and I remember the taste even yet.
Not a "third" data leak, but more a concern with the combination of statutory data and searchable databases. The issue of [edit] anonymization, more generally, is well known in medical research. Edit: that's why sales of NHS data to commercial firms are such a sensitive issue.
Things like medical data should be de-anonymised - a process which can be more difficult than simply deleting the name in many cases, especially with small datasets.
Registers of people with changed identities, such as through adoption or witness protection, should be very heavily guarded indeed.
'de-anonymised'? Surely you mean the opposite. But, yes.
The trouble is if you know name, dob, sickness, approx location ...
Ah yes, messed up the double-negative, but you know what I meant. Medical records should be anonymised, but when you have a small dataset that can be really difficult to do. Only one person in town X has disease Y.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
NEVER SCOOP STILTON OUT WITH A SPOON DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN.
Cut it horizontally.
This was honestly too runny to cut. It was nearly 30 years ago and I remember the taste even yet.
Stilton too runny to cut? What? Are you sure? I mean I don't want to puncture one of your key memories but I can't see it. You mean they gave you a round or a half a round of stilton and a spoon and it was too runny? Hmm.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
NEVER SCOOP STILTON OUT WITH A SPOON DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN.
Cut it horizontally.
This was honestly too runny to cut. It was nearly 30 years ago and I remember the taste even yet.
Stilton too runny to cut? What? Are you sure? I mean I don't want to puncture one of your key memories but I can't see it. You mean they gave you a round or a half a round of stilton and a spoon and it was too runny? Hmm.
I challenge anyone who says there is no such thing as a good vegetarian meal to visit Diwana on Drummond Street. It is South indian cuisine: thalis, bhel poori and dhosas, and it is absolutely delicious.
I love myself a bit of steak. I love lamb chops.
But the food there is absolutely superb. When I'm in London, I nearly always try and go there.
In Leicester we are spoilt for veggie restaurants as many Gujerati and Tamil people are, also some great Keralan seafood.
The PSNI disaster barely covered by UK press, but a huge story in ROI and NI.
Yes, it’s going to cost millions, might well end up with people being given new identities, and is making a lot of people scared witless for their personal safety today. It’s a huge story.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
Not a dinner party scenario - but at family get together / big work dos I get quite annoyed at the lack of veggie offering; not because there is nothing but because meat eaters will eat both their meat option and my veggie option, meaning the veggie option depletes quite quickly despite not many veggies being at a thing. At work we’ve started ordering veggie only buffets - half the team is veggie or vegan and when we ordered meat options alongside they were always left over but the veggie stuff would go quickly.
Because there's virtually no nutrition in your veggie stuff and you are over indulging in what's essentially a side dish?
Reconsider your life.
What a pompous, crass and ill-informed comment.
‘Virtually no nutrition’ - you’re just trolling, aren’t you.
The PSNI disaster barely covered by UK press, but a huge story in ROI and NI.
Yes, it’s going to cost millions, might well end up with people being given new identities, and is making a lot of people scared witless for their personal safety today. It’s a huge story.
And that includes their families who's lives will face upheaval as they will also need to be relocated
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
NEVER SCOOP STILTON OUT WITH A SPOON DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN.
Cut it horizontally.
This was honestly too runny to cut. It was nearly 30 years ago and I remember the taste even yet.
Stilton too runny to cut? What? Are you sure? I mean I don't want to puncture one of your key memories but I can't see it. You mean they gave you a round or a half a round of stilton and a spoon and it was too runny? Hmm.
I challenge anyone who says there is no such thing as a good vegetarian meal to visit Diwana on Drummond Street. It is South indian cuisine: thalis, bhel poori and dhosas, and it is absolutely delicious.
I love myself a bit of steak. I love lamb chops.
But the food there is absolutely superb. When I'm in London, I nearly always try and go there.
In Leicester we are spoilt for veggie restaurants as many Gujerati and Tamil people are, also some great Keralan seafood.
If you’re ever in Bristol, try the veggie Chinese restaurant just off Queens Square. I’m a diehard dead animal fiend but even I’ll admit it’s the best Chinese food I’ve had in UK. https://maps.app.goo.gl/cCLfV6ubW32wZEMZ7?g_st=ic
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
NEVER SCOOP STILTON OUT WITH A SPOON DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN.
Cut it horizontally.
This was honestly too runny to cut. It was nearly 30 years ago and I remember the taste even yet.
Stilton too runny to cut? What? Are you sure? I mean I don't want to puncture one of your key memories but I can't see it. You mean they gave you a round or a half a round of stilton and a spoon and it was too runny? Hmm.
It was a whole Stilton with the top cut off and you scooped the inside out of it. Never seen the like again. It didn’t have much similarity to the bits you get cut in even a good cheese shop but it was sensational.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
NEVER SCOOP STILTON OUT WITH A SPOON DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN.
Cut it horizontally.
This was honestly too runny to cut. It was nearly 30 years ago and I remember the taste even yet.
Stilton too runny to cut? What? Are you sure? I mean I don't want to puncture one of your key memories but I can't see it. You mean they gave you a round or a half a round of stilton and a spoon and it was too runny? Hmm.
It was a whole Stilton with the top cut off and you scooped the inside out of it. Never seen the like again. It didn’t have much similarity to the bits you get cut in even a good cheese shop but it was sensational.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
You do realise they have fart-free baked beans nowadays, if that helps? Admittedly the distribution seems remarkably random.
I don't dislike them though because they make me fart, the taste and texture just makes me feel like I am going to vomit
You do know you can heat them up, not have them cold??
Cold baked beans and coleslaw are the best accompaniment to a Melton pork pie. A little bit of chutney too. It really works a treat.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
NEVER SCOOP STILTON OUT WITH A SPOON DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN.
Cut it horizontally.
This was honestly too runny to cut. It was nearly 30 years ago and I remember the taste even yet.
Stilton too runny to cut? What? Are you sure? I mean I don't want to puncture one of your key memories but I can't see it. You mean they gave you a round or a half a round of stilton and a spoon and it was too runny? Hmm.
It was a whole Stilton with the top cut off and you scooped the inside out of it. Never seen the like again. It didn’t have much similarity to the bits you get cut in even a good cheese shop but it was sensational.
I've seen Stilton served in that way at the George and Vulture years ago - it wasn't runny as you described, but very soft, and the spoon method seemed sound.
Given they've been going a while ... 1142 was apparently the first inn on the site, it seems a decent precedent.
On topic, no the mistake would be to sack Lee Anderson. What exactly does Sunak get if he gets rid of Anderson? He doesn't get any LD and Labour voters thinking "oh maybe the Tories are not so bad after all" and he pisses off the people who respond to Lee Anderson's "robust" style. As for socially liberal Tories, if they have not left already, Anderson is not going to be the straw.
Now you can argue on taste grounds etc for a sacking but, from a political standpoint, I do not see the upside.
Well as someone who is going to vote Tory at the next election because of the Union and the seat I am in and would want to persuade others to do the same it might reduce my tendency to wince. Even if he was talking about people moaning about being on a barge.
The PSNI disaster barely covered by UK press, but a huge story in ROI and NI.
Yes, it’s going to cost millions, might well end up with people being given new identities, and is making a lot of people scared witless for their personal safety today. It’s a huge story.
And that includes their families who's lives will face upheaval as they will also need to be relocated
Yes, it’s the sort of data leak that quite literally turns lives upside-down.
As someone who works in data security, it astonishes me that someone working on FOIA requests could ever have access to a full staff list report at a police department. No-one except a couple of HR and accounts staff should ever have that level of access, and FIOA request outputs should be subject to oversight from senior officers.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
You do realise they have fart-free baked beans nowadays, if that helps? Admittedly the distribution seems remarkably random.
I don't dislike them though because they make me fart, the taste and texture just makes me feel like I am going to vomit
You do know you can heat them up, not have them cold??
Cold baked beans and coleslaw are the best accompaniment to a Melton pork pie. A little bit of chutney too. It really works a treat.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
You do realise they have fart-free baked beans nowadays, if that helps? Admittedly the distribution seems remarkably random.
I don't dislike them though because they make me fart, the taste and texture just makes me feel like I am going to vomit
You do know you can heat them up, not have them cold??
Cold baked beans and coleslaw are the best accompaniment to a Melton pork pie. A little bit of chutney too. It really works a treat.
Hot baked beans and cheese on a jacket potato.
Are you and foxy deliberately trying to make me nauseous....
On topic, no the mistake would be to sack Lee Anderson. What exactly does Sunak get if he gets rid of Anderson? He doesn't get any LD and Labour voters thinking "oh maybe the Tories are not so bad after all" and he pisses off the people who respond to Lee Anderson's "robust" style. As for socially liberal Tories, if they have not left already, Anderson is not going to be the straw.
Now you can argue on taste grounds etc for a sacking but, from a political standpoint, I do not see the upside.
Well as someone who is going to vote Tory at the next election because of the Union and the seat I am in and would want to persuade others to do the same it might reduce my tendency to wince. Even if he was talking about people moaning about being on a barge.
These are human beings FFS. Don’t forget it.
But won’t change your vote, which is, I think TKC’s point. As someone who has never voted Tory I think I agree with TKC on the political point, even whilst vehemently agreeing with your last sentence.
On topic, no the mistake would be to sack Lee Anderson. What exactly does Sunak get if he gets rid of Anderson? He doesn't get any LD and Labour voters thinking "oh maybe the Tories are not so bad after all" and he pisses off the people who respond to Lee Anderson's "robust" style. As for socially liberal Tories, if they have not left already, Anderson is not going to be the straw.
Now you can argue on taste grounds etc for a sacking but, from a political standpoint, I do not see the upside.
Well as someone who is going to vote Tory at the next election because of the Union and the seat I am in and would want to persuade others to do the same it might reduce my tendency to wince. Even if he was talking about people moaning about being on a barge.
I think what this is proving is that PB is full of social misfits who despite their declarations to the contrary all live in the basements of their parents' houses, don't really understand personal interactions and still less have any of them, and use their "friends" to prove points they are trying to make to strangers on the internet.
There's not much reward on PB mind, save for the occasional "like".
I made a pithy comment on former racing driver and now social influencer Danica Patrick's Instagram page and I have gained over 30 followers in 36 hours. I had just five after two years of posting prior to that, and have had romantic invitations from four American lady Insta posters (aka crackpots) today already (subsequently deleted).
Now you barely get a "like" for a comedy gold post on PB let alone a lifetime invitation to Kathy Bates's mountain retreat.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
You do realise they have fart-free baked beans nowadays, if that helps? Admittedly the distribution seems remarkably random.
I don't dislike them though because they make me fart, the taste and texture just makes me feel like I am going to vomit
You do know you can heat them up, not have them cold??
Cold baked beans and coleslaw are the best accompaniment to a Melton pork pie. A little bit of chutney too. It really works a treat.
Hot baked beans and cheese on a jacket potato.
Are you and foxy deliberately trying to make me nauseous....
Go on Pagan, surprise us all - tell us something you really like and are positive about. Go on, you can do it.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
You do realise they have fart-free baked beans nowadays, if that helps? Admittedly the distribution seems remarkably random.
I don't dislike them though because they make me fart, the taste and texture just makes me feel like I am going to vomit
You do know you can heat them up, not have them cold??
Cold baked beans and coleslaw are the best accompaniment to a Melton pork pie. A little bit of chutney too. It really works a treat.
Hot baked beans and cheese on a jacket potato.
Are you and foxy deliberately trying to make me nauseous....
Go on Pagan, surprise us all - tell us something you really like and are positive about. Go on, you can do it.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
One good thing about Canada is they put bacon in everything.
One Christmas there I even had Brussels Sprouts which were diced and served with diced bacon. Only enjoyable Brussels Sprouts I've ever had.
In the US once (Kentucky) I ordered potato skins for a starter. What arrived was sixteen potato halves (nothing "skin" about it - they were the whole potato), slathered with all the sour cream, chives, bacon, melted cheese.
Eight potatoes. As a starter.
Heaven.
In Scotland to scatter my father’s ashes we met in a pub before hand. Someone ordered macaroni cheese and chips. The waitress asked if they’d be wanting buttered bread with that….
On topic, no the mistake would be to sack Lee Anderson. What exactly does Sunak get if he gets rid of Anderson? He doesn't get any LD and Labour voters thinking "oh maybe the Tories are not so bad after all" and he pisses off the people who respond to Lee Anderson's "robust" style. As for socially liberal Tories, if they have not left already, Anderson is not going to be the straw.
Now you can argue on taste grounds etc for a sacking but, from a political standpoint, I do not see the upside.
Well as someone who is going to vote Tory at the next election because of the Union and the seat I am in and would want to persuade others to do the same it might reduce my tendency to wince. Even if he was talking about people moaning about being on a barge.
These are human beings FFS. Don’t forget it.
But won’t change your vote, which is, I think TKC’s point. As someone who has never voted Tory I think I agree with TKC on the political point, even whilst vehemently agreeing with your last sentence.
On topic, no the mistake would be to sack Lee Anderson. What exactly does Sunak get if he gets rid of Anderson? He doesn't get any LD and Labour voters thinking "oh maybe the Tories are not so bad after all" and he pisses off the people who respond to Lee Anderson's "robust" style. As for socially liberal Tories, if they have not left already, Anderson is not going to be the straw.
Now you can argue on taste grounds etc for a sacking but, from a political standpoint, I do not see the upside.
Well as someone who is going to vote Tory at the next election because of the Union and the seat I am in and would want to persuade others to do the same it might reduce my tendency to wince. Even if he was talking about people moaning about being on a barge.
These are human beings FFS. Don’t forget it.
But won’t change your vote, which is, I think TKC’s point. As someone who has never voted Tory I think I agree with TKC on the political point, even whilst vehemently agreeing with your last sentence.
But it will affect my efforts to persuade others. How do you defend Braverman as Home Secretary? How do you defend this? There is a lot of government policy right now I think is shameful. Mainly on the refugee issue. We must retain our humanity and sense of decency.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
You do realise they have fart-free baked beans nowadays, if that helps? Admittedly the distribution seems remarkably random.
I don't dislike them though because they make me fart, the taste and texture just makes me feel like I am going to vomit
You do know you can heat them up, not have them cold??
Cold baked beans and coleslaw are the best accompaniment to a Melton pork pie. A little bit of chutney too. It really works a treat.
That's a negative. To eat a MM pork pie you slice it vertically through its diameter, spread English mustard on the exposed meat, and - the important bit - pour worcestershire sauce into the meat/pastry gap till it fills up.
Whenever my brother and sister-in-law and little nephew come round, Mum always complains that she has to make TWO biryanis - a meat one and veg one. Whenever she shouts at me for being a vegetarian, I always retort that she doesn't have to eat meat
Being a veggie via a biryani and similar is doing it right though.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
Not a dinner party scenario - but at family get together / big work dos I get quite annoyed at the lack of veggie offering; not because there is nothing but because meat eaters will eat both their meat option and my veggie option, meaning the veggie option depletes quite quickly despite not many veggies being at a thing. At work we’ve started ordering veggie only buffets - half the team is veggie or vegan and when we ordered meat options alongside they were always left over but the veggie stuff would go quickly.
Because there's virtually no nutrition in your veggie stuff and you are over indulging in what's essentially a side dish?
Reconsider your life.
I've been a veggie since 1991, and it has done me any harm!
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Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
NEVER SCOOP STILTON OUT WITH A SPOON DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN.
Cut it horizontally.
This was honestly too runny to cut. It was nearly 30 years ago and I remember the taste even yet.
Stilton too runny to cut? What? Are you sure? I mean I don't want to puncture one of your key memories but I can't see it. You mean they gave you a round or a half a round of stilton and a spoon and it was too runny? Hmm.
It was a whole Stilton with the top cut off and you scooped the inside out of it. Never seen the like again. It didn’t have much similarity to the bits you get cut in even a good cheese shop but it was sensational.
Used to be a regular thing around Christmas in one or two of the pubs in Hastings when I was a lad (The Harrow springs to mind) - Stilton on the bar, top cut off, a bowl of biscuits to dip in, complimentary.
Looking back the hygiene implications are grim, plenty of beer and ash being spilt into it at times too, but I suspect the Lactobacillus and the Penicillium roqueforti keep the harmful bacteria at bay.
There's plenty of evidence switching to a diet containing meat was a big factor in the cerebral development of early humanity. There's also evidence a balanced moderate diet containing red meat, white meat, fish and vegetables isn't a bad idea either.
I've eaten some wonderful vegetarian food and I am less of a carnivore than I was - as far as venison is concerned, my brother-in-law in New Zealand is a decent shot and has served us roast venison in his time - he says it's a very lean meat and he uses bacon just to bring some fat to the table.
There's plenty of evidence switching to a diet containing meat was a big factor in the cerebral development of early humanity. There's also evidence a balanced moderate diet containing red meat, white meat, fish and vegetables isn't a bad idea either.
I've eaten some wonderful vegetarian food and I am less of a carnivore than I was - as far as venison is concerned, my brother-in-law in New Zealand is a decent shot and has served us roast venison in his time - he says it's a very lean meat and he uses bacon just to bring some fat to the table.
Venison steaks with a cherry sauce works well I find
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
most of that I would eat but not the beans on toast as I said pulses of any type I really cant stand, the taste and texture makes me physically gag, to the point where for example a chilli con carne I will pick out the red kidney beans and leave them on the side of the plate. As I said I do eat meals occasionally that would count as vegetarian. However most of those I would have as a side
Baked beans are disgusting.
In general I am all for people choosing their lifestyles whether that is vegetarian, polyamorous, gay, trans, religous or whatever. No problem with it. People who choose things though have to accept that others don't have to follow along with them.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
You got all that from "Baked beans are disgusting"?
No was just following along with the topic and baked beans are disgusting
You do realise they have fart-free baked beans nowadays, if that helps? Admittedly the distribution seems remarkably random.
I don't dislike them though because they make me fart, the taste and texture just makes me feel like I am going to vomit
You do know you can heat them up, not have them cold??
Cold baked beans and coleslaw are the best accompaniment to a Melton pork pie. A little bit of chutney too. It really works a treat.
Hot baked beans and cheese on a jacket potato.
Are you and foxy deliberately trying to make me nauseous....
Go on Pagan, surprise us all - tell us something you really like and are positive about. Go on, you can do it.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
Not a dinner party scenario - but at family get together / big work dos I get quite annoyed at the lack of veggie offering; not because there is nothing but because meat eaters will eat both their meat option and my veggie option, meaning the veggie option depletes quite quickly despite not many veggies being at a thing. At work we’ve started ordering veggie only buffets - half the team is veggie or vegan and when we ordered meat options alongside they were always left over but the veggie stuff would go quickly.
Because there's virtually no nutrition in your veggie stuff and you are over indulging in what's essentially a side dish?
Reconsider your life.
What a pompous, crass and ill-informed comment.
‘Virtually no nutrition’ - you’re just trolling, aren’t you.
If you eat just rabbit food don't be surprised if you're still hungry after.
There's plenty of evidence switching to a diet containing meat was a big factor in the cerebral development of early humanity. There's also evidence a balanced moderate diet containing red meat, white meat, fish and vegetables isn't a bad idea either.
I've eaten some wonderful vegetarian food and I am less of a carnivore than I was - as far as venison is concerned, my brother-in-law in New Zealand is a decent shot and has served us roast venison in his time - he says it's a very lean meat and he uses bacon just to bring some fat to the table.
Lee Anderson's "If they don't like it, they can f*** off back where they came from" attitude reminds me of the attitude towards workers in his constituency that was displayed by Liberal MP Cyril Smith.
Smith had the world's largest asbestos factory on his patch and, as you might imagine, he lobbied in the Commons on behalf of the owners, lyingly claiming that inhaling asbestos hadn't been proved dangerous. Many employees at the factory died. In a later interview, Smith spoke with a tone of injured righteousness, observing (can you guess?) that nobody TOLD the workers to work there, and that it was their CHOICE to work there. He pointed out that neither he nor his interviewer had elected to work in the factory. Clever them, eh? Clearly everybody gets what they deserve, except for this wretch himself who unfortunately never went to jail for being the paedophile abuser that he was.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
Not a dinner party scenario - but at family get together / big work dos I get quite annoyed at the lack of veggie offering; not because there is nothing but because meat eaters will eat both their meat option and my veggie option, meaning the veggie option depletes quite quickly despite not many veggies being at a thing. At work we’ve started ordering veggie only buffets - half the team is veggie or vegan and when we ordered meat options alongside they were always left over but the veggie stuff would go quickly.
Because there's virtually no nutrition in your veggie stuff and you are over indulging in what's essentially a side dish?
Reconsider your life.
What a pompous, crass and ill-informed comment.
‘Virtually no nutrition’ - you’re just trolling, aren’t you.
If you eat just rabbit food don't be surprised if you're still hungry after.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
Not a dinner party scenario - but at family get together / big work dos I get quite annoyed at the lack of veggie offering; not because there is nothing but because meat eaters will eat both their meat option and my veggie option, meaning the veggie option depletes quite quickly despite not many veggies being at a thing. At work we’ve started ordering veggie only buffets - half the team is veggie or vegan and when we ordered meat options alongside they were always left over but the veggie stuff would go quickly.
Because there's virtually no nutrition in your veggie stuff and you are over indulging in what's essentially a side dish?
Reconsider your life.
What a pompous, crass and ill-informed comment.
‘Virtually no nutrition’ - you’re just trolling, aren’t you.
If you eat just rabbit food don't be surprised if you're still hungry after.
I don't know any vegetarians who eat only grass.
Don't be silly rabbits eat carrots I know this by the wild life show bugs bunny
On topic, no the mistake would be to sack Lee Anderson. What exactly does Sunak get if he gets rid of Anderson? He doesn't get any LD and Labour voters thinking "oh maybe the Tories are not so bad after all" and he pisses off the people who respond to Lee Anderson's "robust" style. As for socially liberal Tories, if they have not left already, Anderson is not going to be the straw.
Now you can argue on taste grounds etc for a sacking but, from a political standpoint, I do not see the upside.
Well as someone who is going to vote Tory at the next election because of the Union and the seat I am in and would want to persuade others to do the same it might reduce my tendency to wince. Even if he was talking about people moaning about being on a barge.
These are human beings FFS. Don’t forget it.
But won’t change your vote, which is, I think TKC’s point. As someone who has never voted Tory I think I agree with TKC on the political point, even whilst vehemently agreeing with your last sentence.
On topic, no the mistake would be to sack Lee Anderson. What exactly does Sunak get if he gets rid of Anderson? He doesn't get any LD and Labour voters thinking "oh maybe the Tories are not so bad after all" and he pisses off the people who respond to Lee Anderson's "robust" style. As for socially liberal Tories, if they have not left already, Anderson is not going to be the straw.
Now you can argue on taste grounds etc for a sacking but, from a political standpoint, I do not see the upside.
Well as someone who is going to vote Tory at the next election because of the Union and the seat I am in and would want to persuade others to do the same it might reduce my tendency to wince. Even if he was talking about people moaning about being on a barge.
These are human beings FFS. Don’t forget it.
But won’t change your vote, which is, I think TKC’s point. As someone who has never voted Tory I think I agree with TKC on the political point, even whilst vehemently agreeing with your last sentence.
But it will affect my efforts to persuade others. How do you defend Braverman as Home Secretary? How do you defend this? There is a lot of government policy right now I think is shameful. Mainly on the refugee issue. We must retain our humanity and sense of decency.
I imagine that, as a decent human being, the Tory party must feel a pretty alien place to you right now. One day perhaps it will return to its one nation heritage but I am not sure that will happen anytime soon. I imagine you'd rather fight to make that happen rather than walk away - good luck whatever you choose - but stay true to your values and don't find yourself trying to defend the indefensible.
Meat you can get whole cuts of unprocessed meat. Whereas you largely get processed crap for the alternative, which is nowhere near as healthy and not something we should wish upon our worst enemy.
While that might be true for an Asda own brand vegan burger, an Impossible burger contains 19g of protein, while there are 18g in a Beyond burger.
Also it’s a bean burger, not a pretend-meat burger! And if you think the beefburger *isn't* processed… well, ignorance is bliss I guess.
People get very strange very quickly when the consumption of flesh is questioned.
The idea that vegan food is ‘all processed carbs’ is just daft, unless you have an extraordinarily broad definition of ‘processed’ which extends to such processes as ‘picking fruit off a tree’.
It's entirely natural. The whole planet works on the basis of a living food chain.
What do people think consumes their flesh when our time on earth is up?
Little clue: they aren't vegan.
Natural does not equal necessary. It's natural for me to not be able to see clearly 4ft in front of my face, but I like my glasses. It's also natural to piss and shit straight onto the soil, but I'm sure people would get upset if I did that outside of any private compost heap I might decide to keep.
No one is saying that humans cannot get nutrients from meat, just that we can have a diet that doesn't include it.
If you feel that the consumption of meat is morally abhorrent, or just dislike the mass produced nature of a lot of meat now, then you can live a healthy life without eating meat.
Yes this is my position. I know that it is perfectly possible to have a healthy diet without meat as I haven't eaten meat in 35 years and am in great health. I've never tried to force this view on anyone else and as far as I can see on this forum the greatest proselytisers are from the eating dead animals camp. I do wish they would fuck off as I believe the government likes to put it.
I've never tried to make someone eat meat.
I've definitely had vegans and vegetarians try and make me eat their diet at events, either directly or through moral blackmail, or use their diet to exercise control in social situations. At a macro level there's a strong movement to tax or regulate me out of meat too.
So I wish they would fuck off, actually.
I've seen people - usually old fogies - insist on trying to feed meat to vegetarians or pescetarians even when given ample notice to go for one of their other perfectlyt normal recipes.
Yes, I've been vegetarian ever since I was a teenager (I'm in my 50s now) and my father never accepted it. Whenever I dropped round, he'd offer me a bacon sandwich or suchlike and then act all hurt when I turned it down. I never really understood his determination to make me eat meat when I was obviously doing fine without it.
I cook a lot and have people around if someone is a vegetarian/vegan I have always made a main dish for them that is vegatarian/vegan....what I won't do is make the whole main dish vegetarian/vegan. The rest of us will be eating meat
I'm the opposite. Rabid meat eater. But if I'm giving a dinner party and there is a veggie there I will give everyone veggie food. Gives me a chance to show off my creativity although warning: putting (delicious) open cap mushrooms in things turns everything grey. I think it's rude to give people different things effectively singling them out for their dietary choices. I invited them, after all.
If someone wants to make a dietary choice, then that's their choice, but everyone else doesn't have to suffer for it.
My choice is to eat meat, and if I was eating at a vegan household I'd be seriously impressed and pleased if they put the effort in to make a meal suitable to my choices, not feel singled out.
For some reason though most vegans think they should be catered for, but there's no onus on them to return the favour.
As I said I believe it is rude. I have invited the person for dinner and the essence of good manners is not to make someone feel awkward or out of place. Hence everyone gets veggie food. Rolling out a separate dish for them, although I'm sure would be appreciated, is imo bad manners. But then I'm an old fashioned kind of guy.
That is your choice, many though would be offended at not being served because someone is a vegetarian.
Not my friends. If they are offended because they don't get their lamb cutlets because another of my, likely our friends is a veggie then they wouldn't be a friend.
Frankly I would rather cut the veggie out
Again, more of a comment on you and I'm sure your dinner parties are a guinea a minute.
In my experience vegan/vegetarian friends are short term.....pretty much everyone I have had has at some point tried to lecture me about meat means murder and get told to fuck off
QED. People are lining up to bemoan the attitude of people at their dinner parties that they are never going to invite to their dinner parties.
No it means I am happy to invite them, make an effort for them. They don't however get to impose their standards on others.
Doesn't sound like you are talking about a friend. Sounds like you are talking about an imaginary vegan about whom you like to rant. If you are talking about a friend what a nasty attitude you have to your friends.
Ok here is another example. My step brother only likes his roast potato's, parsnips etc. burnt to a crisp. When I have him over for the sunday roast I get the potato's etc out then leave enough for him in the oven to overcook. By your argument I should serve everyone blackened roasties so he is not singled out.
I goto the extra hassle of making a good main dish for a vegetarian/vegan but that is not good enough....no it is there faddy diet and their choice. I catered for it just like I do with my stepbrother. I just refuse to let it impact others
But that is not the same is it. I'm a meat eater but I also love a veggie meal. Most (all) meat eaters do.
I like vegetables, I like meat and they go well together. Cannot remember the last time a meal I had was vegan certainly. Vegetarian when I have a cheese salad is about the closest I get.
I am not a huge fan of pulses and avoid them like the plague because I find them disgusting. Most vegetarian or vegan meals seem replete with them so yes I don't want generally to eat them as I don't like pulses (by which I mean any type of bean, lentils etc).
Macaroni cheese, Cauliflower cheese, vegetable curry. I had a lovely potato and cauliflower curry last night. My wife does a lovely stilton and walnut tart. How about a simple cheese omelette. Other favourites of mine are a fennel casserole or a vegetable crumble. How about beans on toast? Most of us have that sometimes.
There are lots of veggie meals. Vegan I grant you is a challenge.
Macaroni cheese should have bacon in it.
There's few things that aren't improved with bacon though.
Well I'm not going to disagree with that, ever.
Conversely, few things aren't improved with cheese.
Burgers? I am really not a fan of cheese burgers. Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Asparagus and stilton soup is yummy
No it’s not. And one of my favourite meals in my life was in Stratford upon Avon where “desert” was a Stilton you had to scoop out with a spoon. Utterly divine. Best cheese I’ve ever had. Just keep it away from the soup.
NEVER SCOOP STILTON OUT WITH A SPOON DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN.
Cut it horizontally.
This was honestly too runny to cut. It was nearly 30 years ago and I remember the taste even yet.
Stilton too runny to cut? What? Are you sure? I mean I don't want to puncture one of your key memories but I can't see it. You mean they gave you a round or a half a round of stilton and a spoon and it was too runny? Hmm.
It was a whole Stilton with the top cut off and you scooped the inside out of it. Never seen the like again. It didn’t have much similarity to the bits you get cut in even a good cheese shop but it was sensational.
You'd really love Shropshire blue (if you haven't had it) the texture is so smooth, it's amazing. A far more consistent cheese than Stilton.
There's plenty of evidence switching to a diet containing meat was a big factor in the cerebral development of early humanity. There's also evidence a balanced moderate diet containing red meat, white meat, fish and vegetables isn't a bad idea either.
I've eaten some wonderful vegetarian food and I am less of a carnivore than I was - as far as venison is concerned, my brother-in-law in New Zealand is a decent shot and has served us roast venison in his time - he says it's a very lean meat and he uses bacon just to bring some fat to the table.
No there isn't, what would such evidence even look like? It's a vaguely plausible speculation based on near zero actual data, like everything else about anthropology.
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My wife doesn't eat lamb or beef curry. I cook two different curries when we have a curry.
We had a vegan cousin over. We had roast chicken and she had potatoes and nut roast.
Not a problem.
Eight potatoes. As a starter.
Heaven.
She turns "voting" into "vurting", "home" into "hurm", "smoking" into "smirking"
Oh, and soup, especially if it’s blue cheese which I adore but makes a disgusting soup.
Carrot and orange soup, however, absolutely vile. Whoever thought that would work.
I would never serve pork to a muslim or jew, meat to a vegetarian/vegan etc. I however refuse to kowtow to them as to what I like or others like. Same as for the example, if a friend wants to say grace before they eat thats fine. Expecting everyone else to do so however is not on.
We all make choices in life, I have certainly got some life choices others would disagree with. However I don't push those life choices on friends and push the "Mine is the true way" thing. I just ask others not to do it to me.
I don't think its an unreasonable stance
Reconsider your life.
But I don't get the accent! Nearest I can remember is way back in my childhood, Les Dennis's impression of one of the Coronation Street characters: "I durn't really knur!"
I am perfectly calm.
You're just some bloke in the internet, right?
We were talking about friends and good manners. It is perfectly acceptable to make steak and kidney pie at your dinner party for the meat eaters and nut cutlets for the veggies. Job done. These are your friends, after all, not people who want you to "kowtow" to them.
I just said that I don't believe it is good manners to do so but am perfectly content to believe that I am an oddity in this regard.
Registers of people with changed identities, such as through adoption or witness protection, should be very heavily guarded indeed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-65141057
Now you can argue on taste grounds etc for a sacking but, from a political standpoint, I do not see the upside.
The trouble is if you know name, dob, sickness, approx location ...
Cut it horizontally.
‘Virtually no nutrition’ - you’re just trolling, aren’t you.
Given they've been going a while ... 1142 was apparently the first inn on the site, it seems a decent precedent.
These are human beings FFS. Don’t forget it.
As someone who works in data security, it astonishes me that someone working on FOIA requests could ever have access to a full staff list report at a police department. No-one except a couple of HR and accounts staff should ever have that level of access, and FIOA request outputs should be subject to oversight from senior officers.
Edit: Telegraph now has this as their lead story: PSNI has declared a “Critical Incident” over the data breach.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/09/psni-northern-ireland-police-data-breach-critical-incident/
I made a pithy comment on former racing driver and now social influencer Danica Patrick's Instagram page and I have gained over 30 followers in 36 hours. I had just five after two years of posting prior to that, and have had romantic invitations from four American lady Insta posters (aka crackpots) today already (subsequently deleted).
Now you barely get a "like" for a comedy gold post on PB let alone a lifetime invitation to Kathy Bates's mountain retreat.
The names of thousands of people adopted as children were available on a genealogy website, it has emerged.
Safety and privacy fears were raised after a mother found details of adoptions dating back more than 100 years on the Scotland's People site.
It is operated by National Records of Scotland (NRS), an official arm of the Scottish government.
NRS removed the information 36 hours after the mother complained it could endanger her adopted child.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66448432
Looking back the hygiene implications are grim, plenty of beer and ash being spilt into it at times too, but I suspect the Lactobacillus and the Penicillium roqueforti keep the harmful bacteria at bay.
There's plenty of evidence switching to a diet containing meat was a big factor in the cerebral development of early humanity. There's also evidence a balanced moderate diet containing red meat, white meat, fish and vegetables isn't a bad idea either.
I've eaten some wonderful vegetarian food and I am less of a carnivore than I was - as far as venison is concerned, my brother-in-law in New Zealand is a decent shot and has served us roast venison in his time - he says it's a very lean meat and he uses bacon just to bring some fat to the table.
Smith had the world's largest asbestos factory on his patch and, as you might imagine, he lobbied in the Commons on behalf of the owners, lyingly claiming that inhaling asbestos hadn't been proved dangerous. Many employees at the factory died. In a later interview, Smith spoke with a tone of injured righteousness, observing (can you guess?) that nobody TOLD the workers to work there, and that it was their CHOICE to work there. He pointed out that neither he nor his interviewer had elected to work in the factory. Clever them, eh? Clearly everybody gets what they deserve, except for this wretch himself who unfortunately never went to jail for being the paedophile abuser that he was.
Should be easy to trace though, they left their JCB on the access road.