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  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care policy is very much to treat pain and discomfort, including psychological, even if it shortens life.

    But would you give them excellent quality cocaine so their final months are a blast of socialising and fun?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,411
    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Good call by us. The US situation with opioids is just horrific.
    I can't help thinking you may not have quite grasped the meaning of "overcorrects" in this context... :wink:
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    Miklosvar said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    What I need, and it will be a test of NHS or private practice whether I can get it soon enough - is an injection to freeze the occipital nerve. Do that and I’m free. For a few days anyway.

    However, several iterations of “try paracetamol and ibuprofen” to go before they manage that.
    Fuck paracetamol and ibuprofen. You need Tramadol or Dihydrocodeine, and a major benzo to chill you out. Just don't get addicted, and you'll be fine (so don't do them consecutively for more than a week)

    Xanax and Tramadol, in particular, is a fantastic combination. Probably better than heroin, tho without the initial orgasmic rush, but the same euphoric, painless carefreeness thereafter

    Hard disagree. Tramadol has far narrower therapeutic index than most opioids and has SNRI effects you probably don't want if not a depressive, putting you at risk of serotonin syndrome. The DHC suggestion is much better, you can go wild.
    Serotonin syndrome is way overstated as a risk, I am on high dose venlafaxine and take tramadol on top with no issues. The tramadol = snri equivalence is highly dubious, yes it has a very very similar chemical structure but with psychotropic chemicals a miss is as good as a mile. Certainly doesn't feel the same.
    It sounds like you're taking a prescribed medical dose, there is no way on earth that was what Leon was suggesting :D
    What? Don't be silly, I know what I am talking about and you apparently don't. The usual prescribed max of tramadol is 100mg x 4 times per day, and it has no recreational benefit in doses above 300mg. Additionally, there's no permissible prescribed medical dose in addition to the amount of venlafaxine I am on, and it was a massive cock up that I was being prescribed any tram at all. You really don't know as much about this as you think you do.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,144

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care is very much to treat pain and dis
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrWouow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    I think you are absolutely right. And you can see how this chimes with the "ethos" of the NHS, which is - let us not forget - the envy of the world

    Prescribing drugs to heal wounds, restrict tumours, help broken things mend, knock you out for surgery, that's fine, that's what our taxes are for, but prescribing drugs that just make people "happier" in their final months, more sociable and carefree, more painless and euphoric? NO- NO NO NO - that's basically giving away taxpayers money to get old folk high, we can't be doing that, oh no, let them moan and wail their final months on earth, they've got fucking cancer, what do they expect???!! You might as well prescribe Ecstasy to teenagers to have better sex!


    Etc etc etc for one hundred dreary NHS years
    Simply not true though.
    Would you prescribe heroin, cocaine and cognac for terminally ill cancer patients?

    Because, if you would, and you do, imma headed Leicester Way for my Quietus
    Not my speciality any more, but when I did geriatrics we used to serve alcohol to the rehab patients with dinner. It used to perk them up quite a bit. The sherry was a bit sweet, but the whisky and brandy quite OK. It came from pharmacy in medicine bottles and had to be prescribed on the drug chart.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,955
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care policy is very much to treat pain and discomfort, including psychological, even if it shortens life.

    But would you give them excellent quality cocaine so their final months are a blast of socialising and fun?
    Why not all the time? There are plenty of physically healthy, younger people who are thoroughly miserable.

    The number of junior doctors on anti-depressants is alarming.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care is very much to treat pain and dis
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrWouow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    I think you are absolutely right. And you can see how this chimes with the "ethos" of the NHS, which is - let us not forget - the envy of the world

    Prescribing drugs to heal wounds, restrict tumours, help broken things mend, knock you out for surgery, that's fine, that's what our taxes are for, but prescribing drugs that just make people "happier" in their final months, more sociable and carefree, more painless and euphoric? NO- NO NO NO - that's basically giving away taxpayers money to get old folk high, we can't be doing that, oh no, let them moan and wail their final months on earth, they've got fucking cancer, what do they expect???!! You might as well prescribe Ecstasy to teenagers to have better sex!


    Etc etc etc for one hundred dreary NHS years
    Simply not true though.
    Would you prescribe heroin, cocaine and cognac for terminally ill cancer patients?

    Because, if you would, and you do, imma headed Leicester Way for my Quietus
    Not my speciality any more, but when I did geriatrics we used to serve alcohol to the rehab patients with dinner. It used to perk them up quite a bit. The sherry was a bit sweet, but the whisky and brandy quite OK. It came from pharmacy in medicine bottles and had to be prescribed on the drug chart.
    So do it with cocaine, and heroin, in one go

    Make their last months merry
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,228
    This barge looks like a floating Travelodge to me.

    Should be fine for those fleeing persecution in France.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,955
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care is very much to treat pain and dis
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrWouow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    I think you are absolutely right. And you can see how this chimes with the "ethos" of the NHS, which is - let us not forget - the envy of the world

    Prescribing drugs to heal wounds, restrict tumours, help broken things mend, knock you out for surgery, that's fine, that's what our taxes are for, but prescribing drugs that just make people "happier" in their final months, more sociable and carefree, more painless and euphoric? NO- NO NO NO - that's basically giving away taxpayers money to get old folk high, we can't be doing that, oh no, let them moan and wail their final months on earth, they've got fucking cancer, what do they expect???!! You might as well prescribe Ecstasy to teenagers to have better sex!


    Etc etc etc for one hundred dreary NHS years
    Simply not true though.
    Would you prescribe heroin, cocaine and cognac for terminally ill cancer patients?

    Because, if you would, and you do, imma headed Leicester Way for my Quietus
    Not my speciality any more, but when I did geriatrics we used to serve alcohol to the rehab patients with dinner. It used to perk them up quite a bit. The sherry was a bit sweet, but the whisky and brandy quite OK. It came from pharmacy in medicine bottles and had to be prescribed on the drug chart.
    A doctor friend of mine goes round with chocolate.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032
    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Good call by us. The US situation with opioids is just horrific.
    I can't help thinking you may not have quite grasped the meaning of "overcorrects" in this context... :wink:
    No, I have. I just think mucking about with pharmacology is very dangerous and less is better than more.

    I also have few enough brain cells as it is and can not really afford to accelerate my inevitable decline.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,955

    This barge looks like a floating Travelodge to me.

    Should be fine for those fleeing persecution in France.

    Surely we can stretch to a Premier Inn?

    (Guaranteed secure cycle storage btw)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,144
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care policy is very much to treat pain and discomfort, including psychological, even if it shortens life.

    But would you give them excellent quality cocaine so their final months are a blast of socialising and fun?
    Why not all the time? There are plenty of physically healthy, younger people who are thoroughly miserable.

    The number of junior doctors on anti-depressants is alarming.
    Indeed, there is a major problem with burnout and low morale amongst postgraduate doctors now. Hence the large numbers quitting.
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care policy is very much to treat pain and discomfort, including psychological, even if it shortens life.

    I'm sure you're right but if it's not being implemented correctly due to overstretch then @viewcode 's point is spot on - an NHS underperforming at least in part due to the worship of it as a homogenous blob with all that entails will not do as well as it should for its most vulnerable and least able to speak up for themselves patients - amongst which are the dying.

    (How much of NHS underperformance is due to it being a singular blob is up for debate but it remains the case that no one else has ever copied it)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,958
    John Taylor, who famously contested Cheltenham for the Tories in 1992 and lost the seat to the LDs, is on the GB News paper review. First time I've seen him on TV for about 10 years.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,144
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care is very much to treat pain and dis
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrWouow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    I think you are absolutely right. And you can see how this chimes with the "ethos" of the NHS, which is - let us not forget - the envy of the world

    Prescribing drugs to heal wounds, restrict tumours, help broken things mend, knock you out for surgery, that's fine, that's what our taxes are for, but prescribing drugs that just make people "happier" in their final months, more sociable and carefree, more painless and euphoric? NO- NO NO NO - that's basically giving away taxpayers money to get old folk high, we can't be doing that, oh no, let them moan and wail their final months on earth, they've got fucking cancer, what do they expect???!! You might as well prescribe Ecstasy to teenagers to have better sex!


    Etc etc etc for one hundred dreary NHS years
    Simply not true though.
    Would you prescribe heroin, cocaine and cognac for terminally ill cancer patients?

    Because, if you would, and you do, imma headed Leicester Way for my Quietus
    Not my speciality any more, but when I did geriatrics we used to serve alcohol to the rehab patients with dinner. It used to perk them up quite a bit. The sherry was a bit sweet, but the whisky and brandy quite OK. It came from pharmacy in medicine bottles and had to be prescribed on the drug chart.
    So do it with cocaine, and heroin, in one go

    Make their last months merry
    We used to use a fair amount of diamorphine too, but I have only seen cocaine used as an anaesthetic.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032
    Eabhal said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care is very much to treat pain and dis
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrWouow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    I think you are absolutely right. And you can see how this chimes with the "ethos" of the NHS, which is - let us not forget - the envy of the world

    Prescribing drugs to heal wounds, restrict tumours, help broken things mend, knock you out for surgery, that's fine, that's what our taxes are for, but prescribing drugs that just make people "happier" in their final months, more sociable and carefree, more painless and euphoric? NO- NO NO NO - that's basically giving away taxpayers money to get old folk high, we can't be doing that, oh no, let them moan and wail their final months on earth, they've got fucking cancer, what do they expect???!! You might as well prescribe Ecstasy to teenagers to have better sex!


    Etc etc etc for one hundred dreary NHS years
    Simply not true though.
    Would you prescribe heroin, cocaine and cognac for terminally ill cancer patients?

    Because, if you would, and you do, imma headed Leicester Way for my Quietus
    Not my speciality any more, but when I did geriatrics we used to serve alcohol to the rehab patients with dinner. It used to perk them up quite a bit. The sherry was a bit sweet, but the whisky and brandy quite OK. It came from pharmacy in medicine bottles and had to be prescribed on the drug chart.
    A doctor friend of mine goes round with chocolate.
    Cake. Who cares what the problem is. The answer is cake, ideally with cream.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,144

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care policy is very much to treat pain and discomfort, including psychological, even if it shortens life.

    I'm sure you're right but if it's not being implemented correctly due to overstretch then @viewcode 's point is spot on - an NHS underperforming at least in part due to the worship of it as a homogenous blob with all that entails will not do as well as it should for its most vulnerable and least able to speak up for themselves patients - amongst which are the dying.

    (How much of NHS underperformance is due to it being a singular blob is up for debate but it remains the case that no one else has ever copied it)
    The NHS is not a singular blob (whatever that is supposed to mean), it is about 230 acute Trusts all operating independently, with seperate strands of independent sector contracting, community services and primary care.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032
    Eabhal said:

    This barge looks like a floating Travelodge to me.

    Should be fine for those fleeing persecution in France.

    Surely we can stretch to a Premier Inn?

    (Guaranteed secure cycle storage btw)
    It’s the fish driven bicycles that got them here in the first place (who needs opioids?).
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,215

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    I think you are absolutely right. And you can see how this chimes with the "ethos" of the NHS, which is - let us not forget - the envy of the world

    Prescribing drugs to heal wounds, restrict tumours, help broken things mend, knock you out for surgery, that's fine, that's what our taxes are for, but prescribing drugs that just make people "happier" in their final months, more sociable and carefree, more painless and euphoric? NO- NO NO NO - that's basically giving away taxpayers money to get old folk high, we can't be doing that, oh no, let them moan and wail their final months on earth, they've got fucking cancer, what do they expect???!! You might as well prescribe Ecstasy to teenagers to have better sex!


    Etc etc etc for one hundred dreary NHS years
    I'd agree with the reverse view expressed above that the NHS is actually pretty good at filling elderly patients with opiates to make their dying days more comfortable. It's just a shame that when they went into hospital a few days earlier they weren't actually dying.
    This is an interesting intervention.

    You’re a contrarian, and most of the time I don’t buy your theories, but this is a necessary point.

    Do we as a society sometimes act Dr Shipman by sedating and institutionalising erstwhile healthy people, especially in care settings?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,955
    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    This barge looks like a floating Travelodge to me.

    Should be fine for those fleeing persecution in France.

    Surely we can stretch to a Premier Inn?

    (Guaranteed secure cycle storage btw)
    It’s the fish driven bicycles that got them here in the first place (who needs opioids?).
    Not sure if they would take a pedalo.
  • PeckPeck Posts: 517
    edited August 2023
    TimS said:

    Ironically we all had an impassioned (well, relatively) debate about Ukraine’s chances yesterday morning at the usual troll hour, all on our own. And the psychological effect of that - normally bullish posters wondering if things were all going belly up, how long could Ukraine hang on, why is Russia still in the game - was several orders of magnitude greater than the piffle the actual trolls provide,

    Which I suppose is why Russia’s best hope is to help seduce the Americans into voting Trump again. Only I think Trump is a tiger they could come to regret riding.

    Trump doesn't understand the doing a deal thing. He thinks it's simply about crushing the other guy and being prepared to walk away. Which may well be why he has insisted that he's so great at doing deals - because he's scared of being found out, "exposed before your peers" in Pink Floydese. Perhaps everyone used to admire Fred Trump Jr for how good he was at it.

    Agreed that Putin given a choice would want Trump re-elected and may push for this eventuality.

    So we shouldn't expect the pee tape to be released just yet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care is very much to treat pain and dis
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrWouow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    I think you are absolutely right. And you can see how this chimes with the "ethos" of the NHS, which is - let us not forget - the envy of the world

    Prescribing drugs to heal wounds, restrict tumours, help broken things mend, knock you out for surgery, that's fine, that's what our taxes are for, but prescribing drugs that just make people "happier" in their final months, more sociable and carefree, more painless and euphoric? NO- NO NO NO - that's basically giving away taxpayers money to get old folk high, we can't be doing that, oh no, let them moan and wail their final months on earth, they've got fucking cancer, what do they expect???!! You might as well prescribe Ecstasy to teenagers to have better sex!


    Etc etc etc for one hundred dreary NHS years
    Simply not true though.
    Would you prescribe heroin, cocaine and cognac for terminally ill cancer patients?

    Because, if you would, and you do, imma headed Leicester Way for my Quietus
    Not my speciality any more, but when I did geriatrics we used to serve alcohol to the rehab patients with dinner. It used to perk them up quite a bit. The sherry was a bit sweet, but the whisky and brandy quite OK. It came from pharmacy in medicine bottles and had to be prescribed on the drug chart.
    So do it with cocaine, and heroin, in one go

    Make their last months merry
    We used to use a fair amount of diamorphine too, but I have only seen cocaine used as an anaesthetic.
    End of life care should aim to make people happier, friendlier and funnier, as well as painfree and comfortable. There is nothing to be lost. These people are dying. Cocaine, heroin and cognac will do that: this has been proved with the Brompton Cocktail (100 years ago!?!). And no doubt Big Pharma could find much better and more subtle combinations of drugs to achieve this, these days, with all our modern tech, which improves by the week

    I find it entirely mysterious that no one tries

    "Yes, you are are dying, but wow we are gonna make your last months a fucking blast, sign here with Death is a Hoot, Inc"
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care is very much to treat pain and dis
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrWouow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    I think you are absolutely right. And you can see how this chimes with the "ethos" of the NHS, which is - let us not forget - the envy of the world

    Prescribing drugs to heal wounds, restrict tumours, help broken things mend, knock you out for surgery, that's fine, that's what our taxes are for, but prescribing drugs that just make people "happier" in their final months, more sociable and carefree, more painless and euphoric? NO- NO NO NO - that's basically giving away taxpayers money to get old folk high, we can't be doing that, oh no, let them moan and wail their final months on earth, they've got fucking cancer, what do they expect???!! You might as well prescribe Ecstasy to teenagers to have better sex!


    Etc etc etc for one hundred dreary NHS years
    Simply not true though.
    Would you prescribe heroin, cocaine and cognac for terminally ill cancer patients?

    Because, if you would, and you do, imma headed Leicester Way for my Quietus
    Not my speciality any more, but when I did geriatrics we used to serve alcohol to the rehab patients with dinner. It used to perk them up quite a bit. The sherry was a bit sweet, but the whisky and brandy quite OK. It came from pharmacy in medicine bottles and had to be prescribed on the drug chart.
    So do it with cocaine, and heroin, in one go

    Make their last months merry
    We used to use a fair amount of diamorphine too, but I have only seen cocaine used as an anaesthetic.
    That dork Scott died in a tent full of morphine (general medical supplies) and cocaine (local anaesthetic to treat snow blindness) but decided God wanted him to go out the hard way.
  • Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    What I need, and it will be a test of NHS or private practice whether I can get it soon enough - is an injection to freeze the occipital nerve. Do that and I’m free. For a few days anyway.

    However, several iterations of “try paracetamol and ibuprofen” to go before they manage that.
    Fuck paracetamol and ibuprofen. You need Tramadol or Dihydrocodeine, and a major benzo to chill you out. Just don't get addicted, and you'll be fine (so don't do them consecutively for more than a week)

    Xanax and Tramadol, in particular, is a fantastic combination. Probably better than heroin, tho without the initial orgasmic rush, but the same euphoric, painless carefreeness thereafter

    Hard disagree. Tramadol has far narrower therapeutic index than most opioids and has SNRI effects you probably don't want if not a depressive, putting you at risk of serotonin syndrome. The DHC suggestion is much better, you can go wild.
    Serotonin syndrome is way overstated as a risk, I am on high dose venlafaxine and take tramadol on top with no issues. The tramadol = snri equivalence is highly dubious, yes it has a very very similar chemical structure but with psychotropic chemicals a miss is as good as a mile. Certainly doesn't feel the same.
    It sounds like you're taking a prescribed medical dose, there is no way on earth that was what Leon was suggesting :D
    What? Don't be silly, I know what I am talking about and you apparently don't. The usual prescribed max of tramadol is 100mg x 4 times per day, and it has no recreational benefit in doses above 300mg. Additionally, there's no permissible prescribed medical dose in addition to the amount of venlafaxine I am on, and it was a massive cock up that I was being prescribed any tram at all. You really don't know as much about this as you think you do.
    I don't even know what you're trying to disagree with
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,215
    Next flashpoint in the new hot war with Russia:

    https://twitter.com/casusbellii/status/1688299731934412801?s=46
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    What I need, and it will be a test of NHS or private practice whether I can get it soon enough - is an injection to freeze the occipital nerve. Do that and I’m free. For a few days anyway.

    However, several iterations of “try paracetamol and ibuprofen” to go before they manage that.
    Fuck paracetamol and ibuprofen. You need Tramadol or Dihydrocodeine, and a major benzo to chill you out. Just don't get addicted, and you'll be fine (so don't do them consecutively for more than a week)

    Xanax and Tramadol, in particular, is a fantastic combination. Probably better than heroin, tho without the initial orgasmic rush, but the same euphoric, painless carefreeness thereafter

    Hard disagree. Tramadol has far narrower therapeutic index than most opioids and has SNRI effects you probably don't want if not a depressive, putting you at risk of serotonin syndrome. The DHC suggestion is much better, you can go wild.
    Serotonin syndrome is way overstated as a risk, I am on high dose venlafaxine and take tramadol on top with no issues. The tramadol = snri equivalence is highly dubious, yes it has a very very similar chemical structure but with psychotropic chemicals a miss is as good as a mile. Certainly doesn't feel the same.
    It sounds like you're taking a prescribed medical dose, there is no way on earth that was what Leon was suggesting :D
    What? Don't be silly, I know what I am talking about and you apparently don't. The usual prescribed max of tramadol is 100mg x 4 times per day, and it has no recreational benefit in doses above 300mg. Additionally, there's no permissible prescribed medical dose in addition to the amount of venlafaxine I am on, and it was a massive cock up that I was being prescribed any tram at all. You really don't know as much about this as you think you do.
    I don't even know what you're trying to disagree with
    Your ludicrous ignorance. I know first hand and with great exactitude both the therapeutic and the recreational doses of the drug under discussion. You do not. Your post suggests the appallingly ill informed belief that if the prescribed dose is x, Leon must be suggesting you take TWENTY TIMES X HUR HUR if you want to have fun, and it doesn't actually work like that.

    Sorry. That laughing face thing just pisses me off.
  • PeckPeck Posts: 517
    edited August 2023
    The world should be grateful to Mike Pence, but leaving that aside, why does he feel a need to give a media interview right now?

    1. Because Trump is a real threat and that coffin lid needs some more nails.
    2. He's ramping himself for some reason.
    3. Both.
    4. Some other reason.

    There's no reason to think Pence is an insecure twit with a need to blow his own trumpet. He's had a lot of opportunity to do that, and he could have A25'd Trump but chose not to.

    I'm interested in what changes were made to his physical security on 5-6 January. Legal arguments aside, somebody who's not present at an occasion can't do something on that occasion, such as certify an election result.
  • TimS said:

    Next flashpoint in the new hot war with Russia:

    https://twitter.com/casusbellii/status/1688299731934412801?s=46

    Well according to Russian rationale Nigeria is entitled to annex Niger in order to unite the Hausa people.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,144
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    I think you are absolutely right. And you can see how this chimes with the "ethos" of the NHS, which is - let us not forget - the envy of the world

    Prescribing drugs to heal wounds, restrict tumours, help broken things mend, knock you out for surgery, that's fine, that's what our taxes are for, but prescribing drugs that just make people "happier" in their final months, more sociable and carefree, more painless and euphoric? NO- NO NO NO - that's basically giving away taxpayers money to get old folk high, we can't be doing that, oh no, let them moan and wail their final months on earth, they've got fucking cancer, what do they expect???!! You might as well prescribe Ecstasy to teenagers to have better sex!


    Etc etc etc for one hundred dreary NHS years
    I'd agree with the reverse view expressed above that the NHS is actually pretty good at filling elderly patients with opiates to make their dying days more comfortable. It's just a shame that when they went into hospital a few days earlier they weren't actually dying.
    This is an interesting intervention.

    You’re a contrarian, and most of the time I don’t buy your theories, but this is a necessary point.

    Do we as a society sometimes act Dr Shipman by sedating and institutionalising erstwhile healthy people, especially in care settings?
    There was a rather concerning case in Portsmouth not so long ago:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44547788
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,039
    The Ukrainians are continuing to adapt their tactics, for example: "A three-man team last month manually directed a drone to hit a cluster of antennas affixed to a tower in Polohy, a town occupied by Russian troops in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region. The Russians were using the electronic warfare system to spoil the work of Ukraine’s satellite-guided rockets.

    The drone, made of Styrofoam-like material and costing $1,500, crashed into one of the antennas, detonating on contact. With the Russians’ jamming ability suddenly disrupted, the Ukrainians then destroyed the tower with a strike from a U.S.-provided High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, or HIMARS. The missile slammed into the structure with the sort of precision the Ukrainians have come to rely on in their 17-month fight to expel the Russian occupiers. But had the drone not disabled one of the antennas first, the HIMARS rocket likely would have missed."
    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/06/ukraine-special-forces-alpha-counteroffensive/
  • Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    What I need, and it will be a test of NHS or private practice whether I can get it soon enough - is an injection to freeze the occipital nerve. Do that and I’m free. For a few days anyway.

    However, several iterations of “try paracetamol and ibuprofen” to go before they manage that.
    Fuck paracetamol and ibuprofen. You need Tramadol or Dihydrocodeine, and a major benzo to chill you out. Just don't get addicted, and you'll be fine (so don't do them consecutively for more than a week)

    Xanax and Tramadol, in particular, is a fantastic combination. Probably better than heroin, tho without the initial orgasmic rush, but the same euphoric, painless carefreeness thereafter

    Hard disagree. Tramadol has far narrower therapeutic index than most opioids and has SNRI effects you probably don't want if not a depressive, putting you at risk of serotonin syndrome. The DHC suggestion is much better, you can go wild.
    Serotonin syndrome is way overstated as a risk, I am on high dose venlafaxine and take tramadol on top with no issues. The tramadol = snri equivalence is highly dubious, yes it has a very very similar chemical structure but with psychotropic chemicals a miss is as good as a mile. Certainly doesn't feel the same.
    It sounds like you're taking a prescribed medical dose, there is no way on earth that was what Leon was suggesting :D
    What? Don't be silly, I know what I am talking about and you apparently don't. The usual prescribed max of tramadol is 100mg x 4 times per day, and it has no recreational benefit in doses above 300mg. Additionally, there's no permissible prescribed medical dose in addition to the amount of venlafaxine I am on, and it was a massive cock up that I was being prescribed any tram at all. You really don't know as much about this as you think you do.
    I don't even know what you're trying to disagree with
    Your ludicrous ignorance. I know first hand and with great exactitude both the therapeutic and the recreational doses of the drug under discussion. You do not. Your post suggests the appallingly ill informed belief that if the prescribed dose is x, Leon must be suggesting you take TWENTY TIMES X HUR HUR if you want to have fun, and it doesn't actually work like that.

    Sorry. That laughing face thing just pisses me off.
    One of the side effects of opioid abuse is irritability. Just saying.
  • Andy_JS said:

    John Taylor, who famously contested Cheltenham for the Tories in 1992 and lost the seat to the LDs, is on the GB News paper review. First time I've seen him on TV for about 10 years.

    Didn't he get jailed for expenses fraud ?

    The ironic thing about his defeat in 1992 is that he was then put in the Lords whereas if he had won in 1992 he would certainly have lost in 1997.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,144
    TimS said:

    Next flashpoint in the new hot war with Russia:

    https://twitter.com/casusbellii/status/1688299731934412801?s=46

    You can travel by several different routes from the Red Sea to the Atlantic and never leave a country at civil war. The Sahel is a real mess, and a lot of Wagner troops there.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    Clearly based on lack of knowledge of modern NHS palliative care. My cousin recently died of metastatic breast cancer, and had a continuous opiod infusion. She was comfortable and lucid, even ate a full cooked breakfast the day before she died.
    An odd comment as as you well know "the NHS" isn't homogenous. I had to pull some strings to get my dying and agnoal-y-breathing great uncle more than paracetamol on his last day. Most - or certainly those of us outside of the medical professions - would have been unable to pull those strings and had I been unable to I may have had to resort to personal intervention. It was an absolute disgrace. We need legal euthanasia yesterday. I cannot think of any other issue where the house of commons is so out of touch with society.
    Yes, but that isn't policy, it is overstretch. NHS palliative care is very much to treat pain and dis
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrWouow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    I think you are absolutely right. And you can see how this chimes with the "ethos" of the NHS, which is - let us not forget - the envy of the world

    Prescribing drugs to heal wounds, restrict tumours, help broken things mend, knock you out for surgery, that's fine, that's what our taxes are for, but prescribing drugs that just make people "happier" in their final months, more sociable and carefree, more painless and euphoric? NO- NO NO NO - that's basically giving away taxpayers money to get old folk high, we can't be doing that, oh no, let them moan and wail their final months on earth, they've got fucking cancer, what do they expect???!! You might as well prescribe Ecstasy to teenagers to have better sex!


    Etc etc etc for one hundred dreary NHS years
    Simply not true though.
    Would you prescribe heroin, cocaine and cognac for terminally ill cancer patients?

    Because, if you would, and you do, imma headed Leicester Way for my Quietus
    Not my speciality any more, but when I did geriatrics we used to serve alcohol to the rehab patients with dinner. It used to perk them up quite a bit. The sherry was a bit sweet, but the whisky and brandy quite OK. It came from pharmacy in medicine bottles and had to be prescribed on the drug chart.
    So do it with cocaine, and heroin, in one go

    Make their last months merry
    We used to use a fair amount of diamorphine too, but I have only seen cocaine used as an anaesthetic.
    End of life care should aim to make people happier, friendlier and funnier, as well as painfree and comfortable. There is nothing to be lost. These people are dying. Cocaine, heroin and cognac will do that: this has been proved with the Brompton Cocktail (100 years ago!?!). And no doubt Big Pharma could find much better and more subtle combinations of drugs to achieve this, these days, with all our modern tech, which improves by the week

    I find it entirely mysterious that no one tries

    "Yes, you are are dying, but wow we are gonna make your last months a fucking blast, sign here with Death is a Hoot, Inc"
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5367557/

    Psilocybin for terminally ill cancer patients
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    What I need, and it will be a test of NHS or private practice whether I can get it soon enough - is an injection to freeze the occipital nerve. Do that and I’m free. For a few days anyway.

    However, several iterations of “try paracetamol and ibuprofen” to go before they manage that.
    Fuck paracetamol and ibuprofen. You need Tramadol or Dihydrocodeine, and a major benzo to chill you out. Just don't get addicted, and you'll be fine (so don't do them consecutively for more than a week)

    Xanax and Tramadol, in particular, is a fantastic combination. Probably better than heroin, tho without the initial orgasmic rush, but the same euphoric, painless carefreeness thereafter

    Hard disagree. Tramadol has far narrower therapeutic index than most opioids and has SNRI effects you probably don't want if not a depressive, putting you at risk of serotonin syndrome. The DHC suggestion is much better, you can go wild.
    Serotonin syndrome is way overstated as a risk, I am on high dose venlafaxine and take tramadol on top with no issues. The tramadol = snri equivalence is highly dubious, yes it has a very very similar chemical structure but with psychotropic chemicals a miss is as good as a mile. Certainly doesn't feel the same.
    It sounds like you're taking a prescribed medical dose, there is no way on earth that was what Leon was suggesting :D
    What? Don't be silly, I know what I am talking about and you apparently don't. The usual prescribed max of tramadol is 100mg x 4 times per day, and it has no recreational benefit in doses above 300mg. Additionally, there's no permissible prescribed medical dose in addition to the amount of venlafaxine I am on, and it was a massive cock up that I was being prescribed any tram at all. You really don't know as much about this as you think you do.
    I don't even know what you're trying to disagree with
    Your ludicrous ignorance. I know first hand and with great exactitude both the therapeutic and the recreational doses of the drug under discussion. You do not. Your post suggests the appallingly ill informed belief that if the prescribed dose is x, Leon must be suggesting you take TWENTY TIMES X HUR HUR if you want to have fun, and it doesn't actually work like that.

    Sorry. That laughing face thing just pisses me off.
    One of the side effects of opioid abuse is irritability. Just saying.
    That's really pathetic. I have not taken any opioids this year. It is August. Monumental fail.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,039
    JosiasJessop - Many years ago, I read that some American rocket scientists thought that: "The dirty bird flys best."

    By which they meant that the rockets that had the most failures in their first 10 or 20 launches performed best over the long run. (I can think of an argument for that conclusion, but have no idea whether it was true then, or could be true, now.)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,411
    Eabhal said:

    This barge looks like a floating Travelodge to me.

    Should be fine for those fleeing persecution in France.

    Surely we can stretch to a Premier Inn?

    (Guaranteed secure cycle storage btw)
    Other than its restaurants, which are a bit dour, Premier Inn is the best in the budget hotel class. Travelodge is...not.
  • Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    What I need, and it will be a test of NHS or private practice whether I can get it soon enough - is an injection to freeze the occipital nerve. Do that and I’m free. For a few days anyway.

    However, several iterations of “try paracetamol and ibuprofen” to go before they manage that.
    Fuck paracetamol and ibuprofen. You need Tramadol or Dihydrocodeine, and a major benzo to chill you out. Just don't get addicted, and you'll be fine (so don't do them consecutively for more than a week)

    Xanax and Tramadol, in particular, is a fantastic combination. Probably better than heroin, tho without the initial orgasmic rush, but the same euphoric, painless carefreeness thereafter

    Hard disagree. Tramadol has far narrower therapeutic index than most opioids and has SNRI effects you probably don't want if not a depressive, putting you at risk of serotonin syndrome. The DHC suggestion is much better, you can go wild.
    Serotonin syndrome is way overstated as a risk, I am on high dose venlafaxine and take tramadol on top with no issues. The tramadol = snri equivalence is highly dubious, yes it has a very very similar chemical structure but with psychotropic chemicals a miss is as good as a mile. Certainly doesn't feel the same.
    It sounds like you're taking a prescribed medical dose, there is no way on earth that was what Leon was suggesting :D
    What? Don't be silly, I know what I am talking about and you apparently don't. The usual prescribed max of tramadol is 100mg x 4 times per day, and it has no recreational benefit in doses above 300mg. Additionally, there's no permissible prescribed medical dose in addition to the amount of venlafaxine I am on, and it was a massive cock up that I was being prescribed any tram at all. You really don't know as much about this as you think you do.
    I don't even know what you're trying to disagree with
    Your ludicrous ignorance. I know first hand and with great exactitude both the therapeutic and the recreational doses of the drug under discussion. You do not. Your post suggests the appallingly ill informed belief that if the prescribed dose is x, Leon must be suggesting you take TWENTY TIMES X HUR HUR if you want to have fun, and it doesn't actually work like that.

    Sorry. That laughing face thing just pisses me off.
    One of the side effects of opioid abuse is irritability. Just saying.
    That's really pathetic. I have not taken any opioids this year. It is August. Monumental fail.
    Guess you're just naturally pleasant then :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,865
    viewcode said:

    Eabhal said:

    This barge looks like a floating Travelodge to me.

    Should be fine for those fleeing persecution in France.

    Surely we can stretch to a Premier Inn?

    (Guaranteed secure cycle storage btw)
    Other than its restaurants, which are a bit dour, Premier Inn is the best in the budget hotel class. Travelodge is...not.
    The restaurants in the small Premier Inns - not the ones where the restaurant operates as a big public restaurant too - are particularly bad.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,865
    edited August 2023
    "Good Morning back from #Germany, which has now fallen behind other big nations in Europe w/the exception of Italy. This refutes the thesis that Germany is the biggest economic beneficiary of the introduction of the #Euro."



    Not sure I buy the conclusion, but it's an interesting graph.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Miklosvar said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    What I need, and it will be a test of NHS or private practice whether I can get it soon enough - is an injection to freeze the occipital nerve. Do that and I’m free. For a few days anyway.

    However, several iterations of “try paracetamol and ibuprofen” to go before they manage that.
    Fuck paracetamol and ibuprofen. You need Tramadol or Dihydrocodeine, and a major benzo to chill you out. Just don't get addicted, and you'll be fine (so don't do them consecutively for more than a week)

    Xanax and Tramadol, in particular, is a fantastic combination. Probably better than heroin, tho without the initial orgasmic rush, but the same euphoric, painless carefreeness thereafter

    Hard disagree. Tramadol has far narrower therapeutic index than most opioids and has SNRI effects you probably don't want if not a depressive, putting you at risk of serotonin syndrome. The DHC suggestion is much better, you can go wild.
    Serotonin syndrome is way overstated as a risk, I am on high dose venlafaxine and take tramadol on top with no issues. The tramadol = snri equivalence is highly dubious, yes it has a very very similar chemical structure but with psychotropic chemicals a miss is as good as a mile. Certainly doesn't feel the same.
    It sounds like you're taking a prescribed medical dose, there is no way on earth that was what Leon was suggesting :D
    What? Don't be silly, I know what I am talking about and you apparently don't. The usual prescribed max of tramadol is 100mg x 4 times per day, and it has no recreational benefit in doses above 300mg. Additionally, there's no permissible prescribed medical dose in addition to the amount of venlafaxine I am on, and it was a massive cock up that I was being prescribed any tram at all. You really don't know as much about this as you think you do.
    I don't even know what you're trying to disagree with
    Your ludicrous ignorance. I know first hand and with great exactitude both the therapeutic and the recreational doses of the drug under discussion. You do not. Your post suggests the appallingly ill informed belief that if the prescribed dose is x, Leon must be suggesting you take TWENTY TIMES X HUR HUR if you want to have fun, and it doesn't actually work like that.

    Sorry. That laughing face thing just pisses me off.
    One of the side effects of opioid abuse is irritability. Just saying.
    That's really pathetic. I have not taken any opioids this year. It is August. Monumental fail.
    Guess you're just naturally pleasant then :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
    Yes, I am. I don't at all mind you being a pompous ignoramus, I am entirely relaxed about the :D thing, it's just the combination of the two that gets past my guard. Sorry.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,411
    carnforth said:

    viewcode said:

    Eabhal said:

    This barge looks like a floating Travelodge to me.

    Should be fine for those fleeing persecution in France.

    Surely we can stretch to a Premier Inn?

    (Guaranteed secure cycle storage btw)
    Other than its restaurants, which are a bit dour, Premier Inn is the best in the budget hotel class. Travelodge is...not.
    The restaurants in the small Premier Inns - not the ones where the restaurant operates as a big public restaurant too - are particularly bad.
    Yep. Whenever I'm in one it's always go to the local shop to stock up with biscuits and Pot Noodles, or if I'm feeling flush get room service.
  • Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Man, that is shit

    Have you tried Tramadol? Seriously. Might be worth it. Not quite the full on Fentanyl, but a powerful painkiller. Combine with Xanax and booze and you might feel fine

    But do each of them in moderation
    Backlash always overcorrects. The opioid overprescription in the US led to underprescription in the UK, which is antithetical to health care: we are supposed to reduce pain, not exalt it.
    Yes, quite

    That is the British way. We are, after all, the people that prohibited the "Brompton Cocktail" - ie heroin. cocaine and cognac given to terminally ill cancer patients - because it was making these dying folk unduly "happy and sociable", and "risking addiction". In people that had 6 months to live. Fer fuck's sake

    In decades to come we will look back at our inability to use pharmacology proactively, with outright mystification. The tide is finally turning - see the belated use of psychedelics for depression, ect - but it has taken a century, basically
    I have a slight theory that the suffering of the sick/old and dying (plus that of their relatives) is a form of human sacrifice to NHS idolatry.
    No, it is not that. The reluctance to give proper pain relief is influenced partly by political pseudo-religious objections to suicide and euthanasia (and you can currently see murmurings against assisted dying) and partly by fear of another Harold Shipman.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,724
    I've been fortunate/unfortunate enough to have been given both codeine and fentanyl by the NHS the past few years. The codeine I only needed for a few days so I still got a few lying around somewhere but the fentanyl - woo wee - that was fun, I was virtually dancing around the waiting room while my partner was trying to escort me home.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,256
    What is it with these people ?

    The Irish Light: Woman abused by paper which falsely said vaccine killed her son

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66424582
    A grieving mother and her lawyer have been targeted by an extreme campaign of abuse after suing a conspiracy theory newspaper which falsely claimed her son died from a Covid vaccine.
    The Irish Light repeatedly abused Edel Campbell online and its supporters have threatened her lawyer with "execution".
    Conspiracy theorists worldwide have used dozens of tragic deaths to spread vaccine misinformation.
    This case is thought to be the first where a relative has sued.
    The Irish Light included Ms Campbell's son, Diego Gilsenan, and 41 others in an article last year which suggested the "untested and dangerous" Covid vaccine was to blame for the deaths. In fact, the BBC has been told Diego had taken his own life in August 2021, aged 18, and had not been vaccinated.
    The campaign of abuse following her legal case has been "nothing short of shocking" and may explain why other relatives have not taken action, Ms Campbell's solicitor, Ciaran Mulholland, told BBC Radio 4's Marianna in Conspiracyland podcast.
    "You can understand why a lot of people were incredibly reluctant to go to a solicitor when they saw the backlash with Edel Campbell," he said.
    Ms Campbell told the BBC that the Irish Light has "made my life hell" and said she's now fearful of speaking out.
    The BBC has agreed not to use a photo of Ms Campbell - or her son - for this story to protect her...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,958
    New Farage video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTlYmgGDvtM

    "Farage exposes new push for cashless society.

    From September 11th Nat West Bank will be limiting the amount of cash that you can deposit and withdraw. They also have the right to refuse cash and even cheques on any basis in their new terms & conditions."
  • TimS said:

    I’ve rediscovered a sad but inescapable truth this evening, after a month of mixing cocktails of painkillers to try to dull the excruciating pain of broken posterior ribs and what appears to be at least one herniated disc.

    No otc or prescription painkiller short of dangerous opioids is as effective as alcohol. Hence why it’s the chosen poison of millions. Here I am chugging a Serbian rakija from a nemiroff vodka glass (slava ukraini) because it’s actually helping to dull the shooting nerve pains in my shoulder. Will of course regret it in the early hours of tomorrow.

    Chronic pain really is the pits.

    Try all of the alternatives, from tens to acupuncture and chiropractic. Anecdata: my own chronic and often severe lower back pain lasted over two years before I discovered a 10-seconds exercise on Youtube. Maybe you too can be lucky.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,958
    It looks like the ANC may finally lose their majority in South Africa next year. The bad news is they may then have to rely on the rather extreme Economic Freedom Fighters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Andy_JS said:

    It looks like the ANC may finally lose their majority in South Africa next year. The bad news is they may then have to rely on the rather extreme Economic Freedom Fighters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls

    Or more likely the IFP, the DA the main opposition
  • PeckPeck Posts: 517
    Andy_JS said:

    New Farage video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTlYmgGDvtM

    "Farage exposes new push for cashless society.

    From September 11th Nat West Bank will be limiting the amount of cash that you can deposit and withdraw. They also have the right to refuse cash and even cheques on any basis in their new terms & conditions."

    Interesting. Farage is good here, even if his talk could have been better organised.

    The fear is of not being allowed to WITHDRAW one's money from the banking system. Being able to fanny about moving it from one account to another or make payments electronically isn't the same thing.

    His link to carbon footprint garbage could have been better done.

    And leave problems paying money INTO accounts for another time.

    Maybe also stop going on so much about small businesses.

    Refer to the freezing of accounts en masse (Argentina), and across-the-board theft from people's accounts (Cyprus).

    October would be a good time for a crash, cf. 1929, 1987, 2008.

    Nige is right that things could happen very fast.

    I'd love to see a big campaign saying withdraw however much cash from your accounts that you feel safe withdrawing, perhaps on a date before 11 Sep. "We need the government to act" doesn't seem a rousing enough call. "Whose f***ing money is it?" would be more to the point.

    He's totally right about China being the pathfinder.

    *wondering whether I should increase my emergency cash stash
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,039
    Andy_JS - Thanks for the info. A Marxist-Leninist party calling itself the "Economic Freedom Fighters" is a new one for me -- but it wouldn't have surprised Orwell.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,958
    I'm still hoping that Ron DeSantis may be the GOP candidate next year. What are the chances?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,148
    edited August 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    It looks like the ANC may finally lose their majority in South Africa next year. The bad news is they may then have to rely on the rather extreme Economic Freedom Fighters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_South_African_general_election#Opinion_polls

    Or more likely the IFP, the DA the main opposition
    The problem with the ANC going into coalition is ideological. If your ideology is to steal everything not nailed down. And then get the claw hammer out… this leaves a problem.

    If the coalition partners are honest, they will either not go into coalition with you or rat you out. If they are like the EFF or IFP, they will want to steal their share.

    The problem is that someone would have to leave off stealing in the ANC, to leave something for their new besties to steal.

    Tough life at the top…
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,411
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm still hoping that Ron DeSantis may be the GOP candidate next year. What are the chances?

    Dunno. The only way Trump doesn't get the nom is if he's in jail, and if I understand correctly there's not enough time to do that before Nov2024. If he is jailed, RDS is I think no longer the automatic successor and as somebody (@rcs1000 ?) said, Chris Christie may go thru. It's entirely *possible* RDS may get the nom, but at the moment I don't think it's the most likely outcome.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    carnforth said:

    "Good Morning back from #Germany, which has now fallen behind other big nations in Europe w/the exception of Italy. This refutes the thesis that Germany is the biggest economic beneficiary of the introduction of the #Euro."



    Not sure I buy the conclusion, but it's an interesting graph.

    People forget how bad German growth was at the start of the Euro. If you look at 2005 or so on the chart, Germany was dramatically behind the rest of the Eurozone.

    It was only the Schroeder labour market reforms (which were modelled on the Thatcher's reforms) that led to Germany going from sick man of the Euro, to its poster child.

    The other stand out on there is Spain. Massive property fuelled growth at the start, followed by a crash, economic reform, and resurgence.

    The contrast with Italy, which never bothered with the reform, is remarkable.
  • Peck said:

    The world should be grateful to Mike Pence, but leaving that aside, why does he feel a need to give a media interview right now?

    1. Because Trump is a real threat and that coffin lid needs some more nails.
    2. He's ramping himself for some reason.
    3. Both.
    4. Some other reason.

    There's no reason to think Pence is an insecure twit with a need to blow his own trumpet. He's had a lot of opportunity to do that, and he could have A25'd Trump but chose not to.

    I'm interested in what changes were made to his physical security on 5-6 January. Legal arguments aside, somebody who's not present at an occasion can't do something on that occasion, such as certify an election result.

    Mike Pence is feeling the need, because he's running for President of the United States. AND against his old boss. A thing NOT done since Thomas Jefferson did it in 1800.

    Why? Hard to answer with a straight answer, not the least for Himself (note Hibernian capitalization). Mostly (I reckon) because he sees himself (lower case) as THE Natural Heir to DJT. However, fact that #45 nor MAGA-maniacs from coast-to-coast do NOT see it that way, is a bit of an impediment.

    Hard to see which voters in where-ever-land, are expected to comprise Pence's primary base?

    Evangelicals? For many, Pence was their bridge to Trumpdom. And having traveled over to the other side AND witnessed the modern Miracle of the Repeal of Roe v Wade, they feel no need to embrace Prince Mike when they've already got King David > Donald.

    Perhaps the only realistic scenario is serious collapse of Trump's current position in the polls. Which maybe Mike Pence can actually help along, making yet ANOTHER serious contribution to democracy, which he undoubtedly made in January 2021.

    In that case, the Born Again will perhaps seek unto The Pence for light, if hardly for warmth. HOWEVER, he'd NOT be the only hopeful pitching his woo to the Faithful.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,302
    edited August 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    "Good Morning back from #Germany, which has now fallen behind other big nations in Europe w/the exception of Italy. This refutes the thesis that Germany is the biggest economic beneficiary of the introduction of the #Euro."



    Not sure I buy the conclusion, but it's an interesting graph.

    People forget how bad German growth was at the start of the Euro. If you look at 2005 or so on the chart, Germany was dramatically behind the rest of the Eurozone.

    It was only the Schroeder labour market reforms (which were modelled on the Thatcher's reforms) that led to Germany going from sick man of the Euro, to its poster child.

    The other stand out on there is Spain. Massive property fuelled growth at the start, followed by a crash, economic reform, and resurgence.

    The contrast with Italy, which never bothered with the reform, is remarkable.
    On the latest EU actual individual consumption data, Germany is ahead of all of its neighbours except Luxembourg. What's truly remarkable is that Romania is actually slightly ahead of Ireland.

    image
  • Andy_JS said:

    I'm still hoping that Ron DeSantis may be the GOP candidate next year. What are the chances?

    He'll have to do what John McCain did when HIS presidential campaign hit the skids in 2007.

    Which was, scrap the old crap campaign plan - which by the summer of '07 McCain couldn't afford anyway as his fundraising had dried up. Replace it was something totally different, which meant hitting the road mean and lean, in the hills and mills of New Hampshire.

    Speaking of money, as of last report, the official RDS campaign for POTUS didn't have a pot to piss in, thanks to lackluster number of donors (contributions to official campaign being capped by federal law) AND massive mega-spending for example private jets hither-and-yon.

    SO what's happened, is that the DeSantis Super-PAC has taken over paying the bills. AND running operations and tactics, obviously.

    And strategy? Harder nut to crack, seeing as how strategy of trying to out-flank Trump from the right has been a total flop. So far, anyhow.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,958
    With only 9 months to go to the South African election, this seems like a good time to start discussing it IMO.

    "DA is preparing for unrest should ANC lose power in 2024"

    https://mg.co.za/politics/2023-04-01-da-is-preparing-for-unrest-should-anc-lose-power-in-2024
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,865

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:

    "Good Morning back from #Germany, which has now fallen behind other big nations in Europe w/the exception of Italy. This refutes the thesis that Germany is the biggest economic beneficiary of the introduction of the #Euro."



    Not sure I buy the conclusion, but it's an interesting graph.

    People forget how bad German growth was at the start of the Euro. If you look at 2005 or so on the chart, Germany was dramatically behind the rest of the Eurozone.

    It was only the Schroeder labour market reforms (which were modelled on the Thatcher's reforms) that led to Germany going from sick man of the Euro, to its poster child.

    The other stand out on there is Spain. Massive property fuelled growth at the start, followed by a crash, economic reform, and resurgence.

    The contrast with Italy, which never bothered with the reform, is remarkable.
    On the latest EU actual individual consumption data, Germany is ahead of all of its neighbours except Luxembourg. What's truly remarkable is that Romania is actually slightly ahead of Ireland.

    image
    Lithuania doing nicely.

    Malta unlabeled but coloured, oddly.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,302
    Interesting breakdown on party support based on gender and marriage status:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/democrats-and-republicans-arent-divided-by-gender-theyre-divided-by-marriage

    Adding marital status to the mix, the GOP advantage among married men shoots up to 20 points (59% Republican to 39% Democrat) and shrinks among unmarried men to just 7 points (52% Republican to 45% Democrat).

    But what most people don’t know, including everyone who works at Politico apparently, is that among married women, Republicans still maintain a sizable 14-point advantage (56% Republican to 42% Democrat).

    But if Republicans are winning married men by 20 points, married women by 14 points, and unmarried men by 7 points, then who is keeping Democrats competitive?

    Single women are single-handedly saving the Democratic Party. By a 37-point margin (68% to 31%), single women overwhelmingly pulled the lever for Democrats.
  • Andy_JS - Thanks for the info. A Marxist-Leninist party calling itself the "Economic Freedom Fighters" is a new one for me -- but it wouldn't have surprised Orwell.

    Believe that both Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan can take some credit . . . if that's the word.

    Interesting backwash to economic populism plus pro-apartheid, or at least anti-anti-apartheid.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    New thread
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,126
    viewcode said:

    Eabhal said:

    This barge looks like a floating Travelodge to me.

    Should be fine for those fleeing persecution in France.

    Surely we can stretch to a Premier Inn?

    (Guaranteed secure cycle storage btw)
    Other than its restaurants, which are a bit dour, Premier Inn is the best in the budget hotel class. Travelodge is...not.
    I've stayed in both chains in the past year.

    Premier Inn is four star versus Travel Lodge being a youth hostel. Nor is it a question of price, the Travel Lodge was more expensive. Premier Inn is a drastically better product overall on every possible matrix.
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