Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Odd how the English cricket administrators didn't guess that not holding an Ashes match in the north of England wouldn't cause a lot of complaints. Pretty obvious that it would do, and rightly so IMO. (Trent Bridge missed out this year, because of only playing 5 matches instead of 6).
There are too many negatives in that first sentence for me to parse it! But I think I get your meaning.
Odd how the English cricket administrators didn't guess that not holding an Ashes match in the north of England wouldn't cause a lot of complaints. Pretty obvious that it would do, and rightly so IMO. (Trent Bridge missed out this year, because of only playing 5 matches instead of 6).
There's a view of certain London types that it's very easy for people everywhere else in the country to get to London - but mysteriously very hard for people in London to get to anywhere else in the country.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
I find it instructive that most left-wingers online are much happier laughing at Farage, than they are looking at the same issue as it affects tens of thousands of poorer people, many of whom now find themselves totally excluded from society as a result.
Didn't see any one mentioning the plight of the little people before big Nige got unbanked. Much like the plight of the smalls in London, no one cares until their right to pollute the city is infringed.
First they came for the Jews…
This is a very frequent misquote, the original...
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
—Martin Niemöller
In a roundabout way, it's similar to the debate between Sir Thomas More and Richard Rich, in A Man for All Seasons. He'd give the devil the benefit of law, for the sake of his own protection (not that the real Sir Thomas More would have agreed).
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
I find it instructive that most left-wingers online are much happier laughing at Farage, than they are looking at the same issue as it affects tens of thousands of poorer people, many of whom now find themselves totally excluded from society as a result.
Didn't see any one mentioning the plight of the little people before big Nige got unbanked. Much like the plight of the smalls in London, no one cares until their right to pollute the city is infringed.
First they came for the Jews…
No. This is 99% projection by the media. GB News, DM and the Telegraph haven't given a single comment piece to the unbanked, or those who struggle to find a banking service. Now because Nigel's been hit they care, now its endless 'think of the politicians'. Now parliament is rushing through new regulation. Its not different to the ULEZ/low traffic area furore.
Yes a few do care about the unbanked but not the majority, the majority couldn't give a fuck.
You might have missed it but we have had a lot of discussion of the unbanked on here recently long before the Farage farrago. Mostly because of those who think cash is pointless and ignore the fact that for many it is a necessity.
Not that it matters: I do understand why we should care about unbanking Farrage and a bank account should be a human right in the 21st century. It just seems doubtful that all this media heat will actually help the people who struggle to get or retain an account.
The absurdity of the government rushing to protect politicians from their own legislation when they've spent 20+ years fucking over the postmasters just gets to me.
But that is always the way. Few people were apparently bothered about police regularly lying until the Andrew Mitchell case. High profile cases are what change perceptions and ultimately get stuff done. So I am pleased this has been all over the news - especially given the subsequent attempts to brief against Farage which again is typical of what so many people suffer.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Wasnt that Captain Birdseye?
Jamie Oliver seems to have overdosed on turkey twizzlers himself:
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It did occur to them because that was partly what inspired them to look for dirt on him. They even say that there is a risk he would go public.
"When pressed by customers who were concerned their social media accounts would be scrutinised Coutts said the change had been introduced after a “racial equality task force” report.
Rose, 54, set up the task force after the murder of George Floyd by a police officer in the United States in 2020 and the rise of Black Lives Matter. Coutts said senior leadership team"
They set up a team to go through the social media accounts of their customers, trying to sniff out Unwoke opinions
Yes, I'd love to bank with them. Who doesn't want their humourless twat of a bank manager sniffily scrolling through their phone, every few hours, looking for things they might not approve of, so they can take away your debit card
No sinister at all.....your bank making sure you have the "correct" opinions. Rather 1984.
It does raise the question as to the circumstances under which a private individual or business may turn down a customer or client. I used to work as a freelance technical translator, and I once turned down a customer because the material to be translated was basically pseudo-scientific gibberish obviously intended to deceive people. Should I have been allowed to do that? Could the client have prosecuted me for turning them down because I didn't agree with their opinions (which were that such advertising was acceptable)?
For your own small business, of course. For a regulated public company such as a bank, on the other hand…
Net neutrality laws block the blocking of unpleasant but not illegal websites.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Wasnt that Captain Birdseye?
Jamie Oliver seems to have overdosed on turkey twizzlers himself:
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
I find it instructive that most left-wingers online are much happier laughing at Farage, than they are looking at the same issue as it affects tens of thousands of poorer people, many of whom now find themselves totally excluded from society as a result.
Didn't see any one mentioning the plight of the little people before big Nige got unbanked. Much like the plight of the smalls in London, no one cares until their right to pollute the city is infringed.
First they came for the Jews…
This is a very frequent misquote, the original...
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
—Martin Niemöller
In a roundabout way, it's similar to the debate between Sir Thomas More and Richard Rich, in A Man for All Seasons. He'd give the devil the benefit of law, for the sake of his own protection (not that the real Sir Thomas More would have agreed).
My favouite film exchange of all time. Though I should point out that the exchange was not between More and Richard Rich. It was between More and his future son in law William Roper. Richard Rich was the subject of the debate.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Wasnt that Captain Birdseye?
Jamie Oliver seems to have overdosed on turkey twizzlers himself:
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It did occur to them because that was partly what inspired them to look for dirt on him. They even say that there is a risk he would go public.
"When pressed by customers who were concerned their social media accounts would be scrutinised Coutts said the change had been introduced after a “racial equality task force” report.
Rose, 54, set up the task force after the murder of George Floyd by a police officer in the United States in 2020 and the rise of Black Lives Matter. Coutts said senior leadership team"
They set up a team to go through the social media accounts of their customers, trying to sniff out Unwoke opinions
Yes, I'd love to bank with them. Who doesn't want their humourless twat of a bank manager sniffily scrolling through their phone, every few hours, looking for things they might not approve of, so they can take away your debit card
No sinister at all.....your bank making sure you have the "correct" opinions. Rather 1984.
It does raise the question as to the circumstances under which a private individual or business may turn down a customer or client. I used to work as a freelance technical translator, and I once turned down a customer because the material to be translated was basically pseudo-scientific gibberish obviously intended to deceive people. Should I have been allowed to do that? Could the client have prosecuted me for turning them down because I didn't agree with their opinions (which were that such advertising was acceptable)?
For your own small business, of course. For a regulated public company such as a bank, on the other hand…
Net neutrality laws block the blocking of unpleasant but not illegal websites.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It’s up there with Bud Light’s marketing manager describing their customers as “too fratty” and “not inclusive”, or Ratner’s famous calling of his own product as being “crap”.
The Bud Light lady....Going on a group zoom call to external people & boasting about how much your hate of your customers is driving your strategy was absolute genius marketing.....if you believe all publicity is good publicity....its next level 4d chess compared to just saying your product is crap.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
I find it instructive that most left-wingers online are much happier laughing at Farage, than they are looking at the same issue as it affects tens of thousands of poorer people, many of whom now find themselves totally excluded from society as a result.
Didn't see any one mentioning the plight of the little people before big Nige got unbanked. Much like the plight of the smalls in London, no one cares until their right to pollute the city is infringed.
First they came for the Jews…
I’m dying for them to come for those who plop out hoary old clichés.
Is it still a hoary old cliché when you get it wrong?
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Wasnt that Captain Birdseye?
Jamie Oliver seems to have overdosed on turkey twizzlers himself:
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Wasnt that Captain Birdseye?
Jamie Oliver seems to have overdosed on turkey twizzlers himself:
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
It was a very big deal when the boot was on the other foot and the Economic League blackballed all sorts of people for having unacceptable inappropriate non- right-wing views.
This is all about indulging Farage, if anything positive has come out of it great.But how many on here batting for Farage gave a monkeys about the work of the Economic League?
I had never heard of the economic league, and looking them up, I see they were wound up in 1993. So as far as whataboutery goes, this seems somewhat strained.
It was a far more sinister operation than Natwest asking Farage to transfer from Coutts to a High Street bank, but hey ho, it's all about Nige. Let's give him some compo to push him back over the threshold.
They didn’t ask him to move from a Coutts account to a High St account.
They closed his account with Coutts, and belatedly offerered him a High St account after a week of being in the papers.
And now it smells very much like he has rejected Dame Alison's apology so he can pursue compo with Lawyers4You. We shall see in due course.
Yes, I assume that Dame Alison’s having dinner with the BBC journalist, just before that same BBC journalist said that Farage was a poor who didn’t deserve an account, might not land in the bank’s favour.
Rule #1 of private banking, is discretion. If you don’t have that…
So Farage will now spend months keeping them in the news, as the private bank that outs you to the media for having bad views.
The interesting question - is anyone asking it? - is why does NF want to be in the news this much all of a sudden? I saw he was all over the Daily Mail front page this morning when I was in Sainsbury's. Is he on manoeuvres politically? Or is it just part of the grift operation? If it is the former I am guessing Sunak should be worried.
Why wouldn’t he want to stick it to Coutts?
There’s no downside in that for him.
Farage is a supremely gifted politician and all of this will have a political goal in mind, I am fairly certain. I'm surprised nobody on a political website has thought about this.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Wasnt that Captain Birdseye?
Jamie Oliver seems to have overdosed on turkey twizzlers himself:
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
If you did NOT mean "no one", then do NOT say "no one".
I think Selby is the first by election where the number of votes cast for Labour actually showed an increase on the General Election - They all came from the drop in Liberal Democrat vote. The fact that the Green vote was unchanged at 1838 (GE: 1823) is worrying as it might mean that the Conservatives hang on to a few seats that Labour and Liberal Democrats "should" win at the General Election. Really Labour and the Liberal Democrats should do a deal with them to give the Greens a free run at a couple of seats in return them for dropping out of the marginal ones- it won't happen though!
There was a deal between the LDs and Greens in a few seats at the last election.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Wasnt that Captain Birdseye?
Jamie Oliver seems to have overdosed on turkey twizzlers himself:
Off topic: View from the US. It is strange to hear of Farage's problems, since the banks here seem to want all the customers they can get. (There are exceptions of course, Donald Trump being an example. The big banks all wanted nothing to do with him, except for that German bank.)
I see ads frequently from the different banks, ads from a big credit union, BECU (originally open to Boeing employees, now open to anyone living here in Washington state). And then there are ads for various on-line financial companies, some even offering to help you fix your credit rating, and, of course ads for "payday loans".
Years ago, I read that people in the UK think of a bank as a place to get money, whereas Americans think of a bank as a place to put money. Is there still some truth in the first part of that?
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
I find it instructive that most left-wingers online are much happier laughing at Farage, than they are looking at the same issue as it affects tens of thousands of poorer people, many of whom now find themselves totally excluded from society as a result.
Didn't see any one mentioning the plight of the little people before big Nige got unbanked. Much like the plight of the smalls in London, no one cares until their right to pollute the city is infringed.
First they came for the Jews…
This is a very frequent misquote, the original...
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
—Martin Niemöller
In a roundabout way, it's similar to the debate between Sir Thomas More and Richard Rich, in A Man for All Seasons. He'd give the devil the benefit of law, for the sake of his own protection (not that the real Sir Thomas More would have agreed).
My favouite film exchange of all time. Though I should point out that the exchange was not between More and Richard Rich. It was between More and his future son in law William Roper. Richard Rich was the subject of the debate.
With apologies for being so pedantic.
You prefer that to "never show what you're thinking to anyone outside the family" from Brando to Caan in the Godfather?
Off topic: View from the US. It is strange to hear of Farage's problems, since the banks here seem to want all the customers they can get. (There are exceptions of course, Donald Trump being an example. The big banks all wanted nothing to do with him, except for that German bank.)
I see ads frequently from the different banks, ads from a big credit union, BECU (originally open to Boeing employees, now open to anyone living here in Washington state). And then there are ads for various on-line financial companies, some even offering to help you fix your credit rating, and, of course ads for "payday loans".
Years ago, I read that people in the UK think of a bank as a place to get money, whereas Americans think of a bank as a place to put money. Is there still some truth in the first part of that?
ANYONE doing "business" with Trump needs to keep their hands on their wallets 24/7/360+leap days.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Wasnt that Captain Birdseye?
Bernard Manning, Shirley?
He chickened out.
(Edit - by the way, I take it you mean Bernard Matthews not Bernard Manning?)
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Wasnt that Captain Birdseye?
Jamie Oliver seems to have overdosed on turkey twizzlers himself:
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
I find it instructive that most left-wingers online are much happier laughing at Farage, than they are looking at the same issue as it affects tens of thousands of poorer people, many of whom now find themselves totally excluded from society as a result.
Didn't see any one mentioning the plight of the little people before big Nige got unbanked. Much like the plight of the smalls in London, no one cares until their right to pollute the city is infringed.
First they came for the Jews…
This is a very frequent misquote, the original...
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
—Martin Niemöller
In a roundabout way, it's similar to the debate between Sir Thomas More and Richard Rich, in A Man for All Seasons. He'd give the devil the benefit of law, for the sake of his own protection (not that the real Sir Thomas More would have agreed).
My favouite film exchange of all time. Though I should point out that the exchange was not between More and Richard Rich. It was between More and his future son in law William Roper. Richard Rich was the subject of the debate.
With apologies for being so pedantic.
You prefer that to "never show what you're thinking to anyone outside the family" from Brando to Caan in the Godfather?
Oh yes. It speaks to so much more than just the limits of the film itself.
It is up there alongside 'Tears in the Rain' from Bladerunner and 'Here's looking at you kid' from Casablanca.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
As I have said several times - and since all PB lefties are simply manifestations of the same weak-minded beta-cuck blob I can speak for all of us - I absolutely believe Farage has a right to a bank account, and I equally don't believe that he has a right to a fancy private banking relationship at a snobby bank like Coutts - that is entirely up to Coutts, who are selling a product that is by definition exclusive and exclusionary.
Good morning everyone, just trying to see from Canada what the Ashes score is but the stream I've found here must be faulty - its saying that Aus are 50/1 but still trailing by another 225 runs. Can anyone tell me the real score?
A firm believer in the Civil Rights Movement, Bennett participated in the 1965 Selma to Montgomery marches. He performed in the "Stars for Freedom" rally the night before Martin Luther King's "How Long, Not Long" speech. At the conclusion of the March, Bennett was driven to the airport by Viola Liuzzo, a mother of five from Detroit, who was murdered later that day by the Ku Klux Klan.
Bennett refused to perform in apartheid South Africa.
SSI - obviously TB was a confirmed, serial (proto) Wokeist.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
It was a very big deal when the boot was on the other foot and the Economic League blackballed all sorts of people for having unacceptable inappropriate non- right-wing views.
This is all about indulging Farage, if anything positive has come out of it great.But how many on here batting for Farage gave a monkeys about the work of the Economic League?
I had never heard of the economic league, and looking them up, I see they were wound up in 1993. So as far as whataboutery goes, this seems somewhat strained.
It was a far more sinister operation than Natwest asking Farage to transfer from Coutts to a High Street bank, but hey ho, it's all about Nige. Let's give him some compo to push him back over the threshold.
They didn’t ask him to move from a Coutts account to a High St account.
They closed his account with Coutts, and belatedly offerered him a High St account after a week of being in the papers.
And now it smells very much like he has rejected Dame Alison's apology so he can pursue compo with Lawyers4You. We shall see in due course.
Yes, I assume that Dame Alison’s having dinner with the BBC journalist, just before that same BBC journalist said that Farage was a poor who didn’t deserve an account, might not land in the bank’s favour.
Rule #1 of private banking, is discretion. If you don’t have that…
So Farage will now spend months keeping them in the news, as the private bank that outs you to the media for having bad views.
The interesting question - is anyone asking it? - is why does NF want to be in the news this much all of a sudden? I saw he was all over the Daily Mail front page this morning when I was in Sainsbury's. Is he on manoeuvres politically? Or is it just part of the grift operation? If it is the former I am guessing Sunak should be worried.
Why wouldn’t he want to stick it to Coutts?
There’s no downside in that for him.
Farage is a supremely gifted politician and all of this will have a political goal in mind, I am fairly certain. I'm surprised nobody on a political website has thought about this.
A broader campaign against corporate and public sector DEI policies would make political sense.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
If you did NOT mean "no one", then do NOT say "no one".
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
It was a very big deal when the boot was on the other foot and the Economic League blackballed all sorts of people for having unacceptable inappropriate non- right-wing views.
This is all about indulging Farage, if anything positive has come out of it great.But how many on here batting for Farage gave a monkeys about the work of the Economic League?
I had never heard of the economic league, and looking them up, I see they were wound up in 1993. So as far as whataboutery goes, this seems somewhat strained.
It was a far more sinister operation than Natwest asking Farage to transfer from Coutts to a High Street bank, but hey ho, it's all about Nige. Let's give him some compo to push him back over the threshold.
They didn’t ask him to move from a Coutts account to a High St account.
They closed his account with Coutts, and belatedly offerered him a High St account after a week of being in the papers.
And now it smells very much like he has rejected Dame Alison's apology so he can pursue compo with Lawyers4You. We shall see in due course.
Yes, I assume that Dame Alison’s having dinner with the BBC journalist, just before that same BBC journalist said that Farage was a poor who didn’t deserve an account, might not land in the bank’s favour.
Rule #1 of private banking, is discretion. If you don’t have that…
So Farage will now spend months keeping them in the news, as the private bank that outs you to the media for having bad views.
The interesting question - is anyone asking it? - is why does NF want to be in the news this much all of a sudden? I saw he was all over the Daily Mail front page this morning when I was in Sainsbury's. Is he on manoeuvres politically? Or is it just part of the grift operation? If it is the former I am guessing Sunak should be worried.
Why wouldn’t he want to stick it to Coutts?
There’s no downside in that for him.
Farage is a supremely gifted politician and all of this will have a political goal in mind, I am fairly certain. I'm surprised nobody on a political website has thought about this.
A broader campaign against corporate and public sector DEI policies would make political sense.
Good morning everyone, just trying to see from Canada what the Ashes score is but the stream I've found here must be faulty - its saying that Aus are 50/1 but still trailing by another 225 runs. Can anyone tell me the real score?
Good morning everyone, just trying to see from Canada what the Ashes score is but the stream I've found here must be faulty - its saying that Aus are 50/1 but still trailing by another 225 runs. Can anyone tell me the real score?
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
It was a very big deal when the boot was on the other foot and the Economic League blackballed all sorts of people for having unacceptable inappropriate non- right-wing views.
This is all about indulging Farage, if anything positive has come out of it great.But how many on here batting for Farage gave a monkeys about the work of the Economic League?
I had never heard of the economic league, and looking them up, I see they were wound up in 1993. So as far as whataboutery goes, this seems somewhat strained.
It was a far more sinister operation than Natwest asking Farage to transfer from Coutts to a High Street bank, but hey ho, it's all about Nige. Let's give him some compo to push him back over the threshold.
They didn’t ask him to move from a Coutts account to a High St account.
They closed his account with Coutts, and belatedly offerered him a High St account after a week of being in the papers.
And now it smells very much like he has rejected Dame Alison's apology so he can pursue compo with Lawyers4You. We shall see in due course.
Yes, I assume that Dame Alison’s having dinner with the BBC journalist, just before that same BBC journalist said that Farage was a poor who didn’t deserve an account, might not land in the bank’s favour.
Rule #1 of private banking, is discretion. If you don’t have that…
So Farage will now spend months keeping them in the news, as the private bank that outs you to the media for having bad views.
The interesting question - is anyone asking it? - is why does NF want to be in the news this much all of a sudden? I saw he was all over the Daily Mail front page this morning when I was in Sainsbury's. Is he on manoeuvres politically? Or is it just part of the grift operation? If it is the former I am guessing Sunak should be worried.
Why wouldn’t he want to stick it to Coutts?
There’s no downside in that for him.
Farage is a supremely gifted politician and all of this will have a political goal in mind, I am fairly certain. I'm surprised nobody on a political website has thought about this.
A broader campaign against corporate and public sector DEI policies would make political sense.
Good morning everyone, just trying to see from Canada what the Ashes score is but the stream I've found here must be faulty - its saying that Aus are 50/1 but still trailing by another 225 runs. Can anyone tell me the real score?
A firm believer in the Civil Rights Movement, Bennett participated in the 1965 Selma to Montgomery marches. He performed in the "Stars for Freedom" rally the night before Martin Luther King's "How Long, Not Long" speech. At the conclusion of the March, Bennett was driven to the airport by Viola Liuzzo, a mother of five from Detroit, who was murdered later that day by the Ku Klux Klan.
Bennett refused to perform in apartheid South Africa.
SSI - obviously TB was a confirmed, serial (proto) Wokeist.
Pro legalisation of drugs too. For sensible policy reasons, despite his public problems with them in the 70s.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
It was a very big deal when the boot was on the other foot and the Economic League blackballed all sorts of people for having unacceptable inappropriate non- right-wing views.
This is all about indulging Farage, if anything positive has come out of it great.But how many on here batting for Farage gave a monkeys about the work of the Economic League?
I had never heard of the economic league, and looking them up, I see they were wound up in 1993. So as far as whataboutery goes, this seems somewhat strained.
It was a far more sinister operation than Natwest asking Farage to transfer from Coutts to a High Street bank, but hey ho, it's all about Nige. Let's give him some compo to push him back over the threshold.
They didn’t ask him to move from a Coutts account to a High St account.
They closed his account with Coutts, and belatedly offerered him a High St account after a week of being in the papers.
And now it smells very much like he has rejected Dame Alison's apology so he can pursue compo with Lawyers4You. We shall see in due course.
Yes, I assume that Dame Alison’s having dinner with the BBC journalist, just before that same BBC journalist said that Farage was a poor who didn’t deserve an account, might not land in the bank’s favour.
Rule #1 of private banking, is discretion. If you don’t have that…
So Farage will now spend months keeping them in the news, as the private bank that outs you to the media for having bad views.
The interesting question - is anyone asking it? - is why does NF want to be in the news this much all of a sudden? I saw he was all over the Daily Mail front page this morning when I was in Sainsbury's. Is he on manoeuvres politically? Or is it just part of the grift operation? If it is the former I am guessing Sunak should be worried.
Why wouldn’t he want to stick it to Coutts?
There’s no downside in that for him.
Farage is a supremely gifted politician and all of this will have a political goal in mind, I am fairly certain. I'm surprised nobody on a political website has thought about this.
A broader campaign against corporate and public sector DEI policies would make political sense.
Good morning everyone, just trying to see from Canada what the Ashes score is but the stream I've found here must be faulty - its saying that Aus are 50/1 but still trailing by another 225 runs. Can anyone tell me the real score?
Good morning everyone, just trying to see from Canada what the Ashes score is but the stream I've found here must be faulty - its saying that Aus are 50/1 but still trailing by another 225 runs. Can anyone tell me the real score?
54/2
LOL, perfect timing.
Guess nobody here is going to be complaining about Wo[a]kes now.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
As I have said several times - and since all PB lefties are simply manifestations of the same weak-minded beta-cuck blob I can speak for all of us - I absolutely believe Farage has a right to a bank account, and I equally don't believe that he has a right to a fancy private banking relationship at a snobby bank like Coutts - that is entirely up to Coutts, who are selling a product that is by definition exclusive and exclusionary.
The issue isn't that whether or not he entitled to a Coutts account. It's that, having got an account, Coutts can de-bank him on the basis of his political views. They're absolutely at liberty to do so, of course. But it's not only sinister that banks take a view on the political views of their existing customers based on a social-media-trawl, it's also not particularly good for Coutts business.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
If you did NOT mean "no one", then do NOT say "no one".
Thus eliminating need for Vulcan mind-meld.
I will try 110% to oblige forever more.
"Almost" or similar (non-Vulcan) qualifier may be helpful in this context.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
The issue of people being unaccountably denied banking services is certainly important. It's more that Coutts Farage doesn't resonate (with me) as an egregious or typical example of it. If it leads to positive reform, good, but my blood refuses to bubble on this one. No point pretending otherwise.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
I find it instructive that most left-wingers online are much happier laughing at Farage, than they are looking at the same issue as it affects tens of thousands of poorer people, many of whom now find themselves totally excluded from society as a result.
Didn't see any one mentioning the plight of the little people before big Nige got unbanked. Much like the plight of the smalls in London, no one cares until their right to pollute the city is infringed.
First they came for the Jews…
This is a very frequent misquote, the original...
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
—Martin Niemöller
In a roundabout way, it's similar to the debate between Sir Thomas More and Richard Rich, in A Man for All Seasons. He'd give the devil the benefit of law, for the sake of his own protection (not that the real Sir Thomas More would have agreed).
My favouite film exchange of all time. Though I should point out that the exchange was not between More and Richard Rich. It was between More and his future son in law William Roper. Richard Rich was the subject of the debate.
With apologies for being so pedantic.
You prefer that to "never show what you're thinking to anyone outside the family" from Brando to Caan in the Godfather?
Oh yes. It speaks to so much more than just the limits of the film itself.
It is up there alongside 'Tears in the Rain' from Bladerunner...
The story goes much of that was Hauer's.
This was the original script: “I’ve seen things… seen things you little people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion bright as magnesium… I rode on the back decks of a blinker and watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments… they’ll be gone.”
Hauer rewrote it the night before, and delivered his version as a surprise:
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”
Quite possibly, but when they're that close it always looks due to foreshortening as though it's bounced, so you can't really blame the umpire for not giving it.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
Mean centre of median centre?
Would be interesting to map us all on politicalcompass or the like. I'd have BigG and the two Richards slightly right of centre on a UK left-right scale. Raging lefties on a US scale. For PB, I'd probably have them slightly right of centre, too. Nigel I'd put pretty much centre. Me? Similar, I guess.
Years ago, Irish journo Vincent Browne had a radio show, which featured readings from court transcripts of notable political tribunals. Riveting, revealing and ridiculously entertaining.
Someone ought to do the same with the BoJo Txts when they reach the full light of day.
ADDENDUM - Would note that here in Seattle, OUR crap politicos - such as former mayor Jenny Durkin - are WAY more technically adept at "inadvertently" destroying similar cell phone evidence.
That's not going to be given, but it probably is out.
Probably not, Root's reaction said it all that he thought it was not out. There was no celebration, but may as well check for a review considering its an umpire review anyway.
Good morning everyone, just trying to see from Canada what the Ashes score is but the stream I've found here must be faulty - its saying that Aus are 50/1 but still trailing by another 225 runs. Can anyone tell me the real score?
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
I would put the centre of pb at Selebian, Ydoethur or Kle4.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
The issue of people being unaccountably denied banking services is certainly important. It's more that Coutts Farage doesn't resonate (with me) as an egregious or typical example of it. If it leads to positive reform, good, but my blood refuses to bubble on this one. No point pretending otherwise.
Equally without it happening to someone famous and preferably controversial no one (for pedants this means not enough people to create change, or even the discussion of change at the right level, not literally no one) would ever have cared even though is important.
So if not now when would you have actually cared enough to argue for the unbanked?
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
I also entirely agree with him that every child in the UK should be taught: ten recipes to save their life
It’s the exact same policy I’ve espoused on here for years. Ten recipes. One pasta, one curry, one or two veggie, one roast, at least one fish, one salad with dressing, just ten good wholesome recipes. Drum it into them! Do it!
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
As I have said several times - and since all PB lefties are simply manifestations of the same weak-minded beta-cuck blob I can speak for all of us - I absolutely believe Farage has a right to a bank account, and I equally don't believe that he has a right to a fancy private banking relationship at a snobby bank like Coutts - that is entirely up to Coutts, who are selling a product that is by definition exclusive and exclusionary.
The issue isn't that whether or not he entitled to a Coutts account. It's that, having got an account, Coutts can de-bank him on the basis of his political views. They're absolutely at liberty to do so, of course. But it's not only sinister that banks take a view on the political views of their existing customers based on a social-media-trawl, it's also not particularly good for Coutts business.
The last claim is what I've been wondering about all day. If I were a certain kind of Coutts customer, I'd see the exclusion of Farage as a plus. Not for his politics, but his financial and social status. So (a) are they loudly becoming snobbier (b) are they trying to get rid of him for unspoken reasons (c) is it just the woke-capital story (which I doubt from a bank that is surely heavily weighted with old buffers).
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
I would put the centre of pb at Selebian, Ydoethur or Kle4.
Kle4 a good shout indeed, and maybe ydoethur required to reflect the correct measure of punnage so happy with your trio as well.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I beg to differ. I was raising the issue, for one, quite some time ago.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
First he owes all of us an apology for peddling the Turkey bollocks.
Wasnt that Captain Birdseye?
Jamie Oliver seems to have overdosed on turkey twizzlers himself:
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
I would put the centre of pb at Selebian, Ydoethur or Kle4.
Kle4 a good shout indeed, and maybe ydoethur required to reflect the correct measure of punnage so happy with your trio as well.
I do like to think of myself as PB's leading punned it.
I also entirely agree with him that every child in the UK should be taught: ten recipes to save their life
It’s the exact same policy I’ve espoused on here for years. Ten recipes. One pasta, one curry, one or two veggie, one roast, at least one fish, one salad with dressing, just ten good wholesome recipes. Drum it into them! Do it!
What facilities do schools have to do that in the modern era? I'd like to know what our resident teachers think, but it is a long time since all the boys did woodwork and metalwork, and all the girls did Domestic Science.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
Mean centre of median centre?
Would be interesting to map us all on politicalcompass or the like. I'd have BigG and the two Richards slightly right of centre on a UK left-right scale. Raging lefties on a US scale. For PB, I'd probably have them slightly right of centre, too. Nigel I'd put pretty much centre. Me? Similar, I guess.
I would say your ratings are correct for equidistant from Labour and Conservative orthodoxy, whereas mine are correct for median of sample. The country leans centre right.
I also entirely agree with him that every child in the UK should be taught: ten recipes to save their life
It’s the exact same policy I’ve espoused on here for years. Ten recipes. One pasta, one curry, one or two veggie, one roast, at least one fish, one salad with dressing, just ten good wholesome recipes. Drum it into them! Do it!
What facilities do schools have to do that in the modern era? I'd like to know what our resident teachers think, but it is a long time since all the boys did woodwork and metalwork, and all the girls did Domestic Science.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
I would put the centre of pb at Selebian, Ydoethur or Kle4.
Kle4 a good shout indeed, and maybe ydoethur required to reflect the correct measure of punnage so happy with your trio as well.
I do like to think of myself as PB's leading punned it.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
I find it instructive that most left-wingers online are much happier laughing at Farage, than they are looking at the same issue as it affects tens of thousands of poorer people, many of whom now find themselves totally excluded from society as a result.
Didn't see any one mentioning the plight of the little people before big Nige got unbanked. Much like the plight of the smalls in London, no one cares until their right to pollute the city is infringed.
First they came for the Jews…
This is a very frequent misquote, the original...
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
—Martin Niemöller
In a roundabout way, it's similar to the debate between Sir Thomas More and Richard Rich, in A Man for All Seasons. He'd give the devil the benefit of law, for the sake of his own protection (not that the real Sir Thomas More would have agreed).
My favouite film exchange of all time. Though I should point out that the exchange was not between More and Richard Rich. It was between More and his future son in law William Roper. Richard Rich was the subject of the debate.
With apologies for being so pedantic.
You prefer that to "never show what you're thinking to anyone outside the family" from Brando to Caan in the Godfather?
Oh yes. It speaks to so much more than just the limits of the film itself.
It is up there alongside 'Tears in the Rain' from Bladerunner...
The story goes much of that was Hauer's.
This was the original script: “I’ve seen things… seen things you little people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion bright as magnesium… I rode on the back decks of a blinker and watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments… they’ll be gone.”
Hauer rewrote it the night before, and delivered his version as a surprise:
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”
That is sublime.
I need to raise my Godfather game ...
"Fredo, you're my older brother and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the family again. Ever."
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
Mean centre of median centre?
Would be interesting to map us all on politicalcompass or the like. I'd have BigG and the two Richards slightly right of centre on a UK left-right scale. Raging lefties on a US scale. For PB, I'd probably have them slightly right of centre, too. Nigel I'd put pretty much centre. Me? Similar, I guess.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
I would put the centre of pb at Selebian, Ydoethur or Kle4.
Kle4 a good shout indeed, and maybe ydoethur required to reflect the correct measure of punnage so happy with your trio as well.
I do like to think of myself as PB's leading punned it.
I would put a pun t on a few of us coming a close second
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
I would put the centre of pb at Selebian, Ydoethur or Kle4.
Kle4 a good shout indeed, and maybe ydoethur required to reflect the correct measure of punnage so happy with your trio as well.
I do like to think of myself as PB's leading punned it.
I would put a pun t on a few of us coming a close second
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
Mean centre of median centre?
Would be interesting to map us all on politicalcompass or the like. I'd have BigG and the two Richards slightly right of centre on a UK left-right scale. Raging lefties on a US scale. For PB, I'd probably have them slightly right of centre, too. Nigel I'd put pretty much centre. Me? Similar, I guess.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
I find it instructive that most left-wingers online are much happier laughing at Farage, than they are looking at the same issue as it affects tens of thousands of poorer people, many of whom now find themselves totally excluded from society as a result.
Didn't see any one mentioning the plight of the little people before big Nige got unbanked. Much like the plight of the smalls in London, no one cares until their right to pollute the city is infringed.
First they came for the Jews…
This is a very frequent misquote, the original...
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
—Martin Niemöller
In a roundabout way, it's similar to the debate between Sir Thomas More and Richard Rich, in A Man for All Seasons. He'd give the devil the benefit of law, for the sake of his own protection (not that the real Sir Thomas More would have agreed).
My favouite film exchange of all time. Though I should point out that the exchange was not between More and Richard Rich. It was between More and his future son in law William Roper. Richard Rich was the subject of the debate.
With apologies for being so pedantic.
You prefer that to "never show what you're thinking to anyone outside the family" from Brando to Caan in the Godfather?
Oh yes. It speaks to so much more than just the limits of the film itself.
It is up there alongside 'Tears in the Rain' from Bladerunner...
The story goes much of that was Hauer's.
This was the original script: “I’ve seen things… seen things you little people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion bright as magnesium… I rode on the back decks of a blinker and watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments… they’ll be gone.”
Hauer rewrote it the night before, and delivered his version as a surprise:
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”
That is sublime.
I need to raise my Godfather game ...
"Fredo, you're my older brother and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the family again. Ever."
“Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment.”
Quite agree, but runs are almost meaningless for Australia now, with the rain forecast. They are playing for the draw and they'd accept any run penalty if it wasted an over.
Players can be timed out if they're late to the crease, and bowlers can be removed from the attack if they run on the bowling strip, so perhaps there's scope to give umpires the power to dismiss batters for time-wasting.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Yes! Too much rush to judgement by folks who don't like Farage.
Don't much like him myself. HOWEVER, the story had a fishy smell from the get-go. NOT (strangely?) due to NF, but rather because banksters were cancelling accounts without (apparently) warning to depositors OR sufficient explanation.
Now it turns out that Farage indeed had a legitimate gripe.
AND it would appear (to an non-lawyer and non-UKer) that NF has excellent grounds for suing Coutts for defamation or such like. For a LARGE amount of lucre.
I sure as heck would!
And judging by his financial affairs he could do with the money.
Not sure suing the organisation that knows precisely where his money has been coming from would be in his interests.
He's owed an apology from Chris Bryant based on this part of the Coutts dossier:
'direct' doing a lot of heavy-lifting in that sentence.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
Mean centre of median centre?
Would be interesting to map us all on politicalcompass or the like. I'd have BigG and the two Richards slightly right of centre on a UK left-right scale. Raging lefties on a US scale. For PB, I'd probably have them slightly right of centre, too. Nigel I'd put pretty much centre. Me? Similar, I guess.
I would say your ratings are correct for equidistant from Labour and Conservative orthodoxy, whereas mine are correct for median of sample. The country leans centre right.
Which is why Johnson (whom to be fair*is probably naturally just right of centre) was so stupid to shift the whole party in a populist far right direction. Is was obvious that Labour would eventually realise that a tack to the right gave them occupancy of the centre ground.
*I would like it stated for the record that even I can try and be fair to Boris Johnson, even tho I think he is an absolute c***
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
I find it instructive that most left-wingers online are much happier laughing at Farage, than they are looking at the same issue as it affects tens of thousands of poorer people, many of whom now find themselves totally excluded from society as a result.
Didn't see any one mentioning the plight of the little people before big Nige got unbanked. Much like the plight of the smalls in London, no one cares until their right to pollute the city is infringed.
First they came for the Jews…
This is a very frequent misquote, the original...
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
—Martin Niemöller
In a roundabout way, it's similar to the debate between Sir Thomas More and Richard Rich, in A Man for All Seasons. He'd give the devil the benefit of law, for the sake of his own protection (not that the real Sir Thomas More would have agreed).
My favouite film exchange of all time. Though I should point out that the exchange was not between More and Richard Rich. It was between More and his future son in law William Roper. Richard Rich was the subject of the debate.
With apologies for being so pedantic.
You prefer that to "never show what you're thinking to anyone outside the family" from Brando to Caan in the Godfather?
Oh yes. It speaks to so much more than just the limits of the film itself.
It is up there alongside 'Tears in the Rain' from Bladerunner...
The story goes much of that was Hauer's.
This was the original script: “I’ve seen things… seen things you little people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion bright as magnesium… I rode on the back decks of a blinker and watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments… they’ll be gone.”
Hauer rewrote it the night before, and delivered his version as a surprise:
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”
That is sublime.
I need to raise my Godfather game ...
"Fredo, you're my older brother and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the family again. Ever."
One interpretation of the Roy Batty speech is that the memories he is describing are implanted fakes.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
I would put the centre of pb at Selebian, Ydoethur or Kle4.
Kle4 a good shout indeed, and maybe ydoethur required to reflect the correct measure of punnage so happy with your trio as well.
I do like to think of myself as PB's leading punned it.
I would put a pun t on a few of us coming a close second
A brave attempt, but we're still poles apart.
I am prepared to give you some latitude on that statement
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
I would put the centre of pb at Selebian, Ydoethur or Kle4.
Kle4 a good shout indeed, and maybe ydoethur required to reflect the correct measure of punnage so happy with your trio as well.
I do like to think of myself as PB's leading punned it.
I would put a pun t on a few of us coming a close second
A brave attempt, but we're still poles apart.
I am prepared to give you some latitude on that statement
Well, you arcticulated that nicely so I'll let it pass.
Coutts have comprehensively f*cked up the PR on this. Quite how I’ve no idea: did it not occur to them that booted Farage out of their bank might cause them some political difficulties?
It doesn't occur to people like that that everyone doesn't think like they do. Because they make sure anyone who doesn't think like they do keeps quiet about it.
Sure, but if they didn’t like him why did they lie to him about why they were giving him the boot in the first place?
It’s the lies that have dragged this whole thing into the limelight. If they’d just transferred him to NatWest & told him to lump it he’d probably have (grumpily) accepted it.
An argument between a bank and Farage. Can't they both lose ?
They have.
It's an odd one.
A bank that is unattainable for the great unwashed, who for the most part care not a jot for its existence, has shot it's own foot off by telling an elitist tosspot that he no longer has enough cash for their elitist service and has to join the queue on the high street with the rest of us.
There’s a massive difference between a bank not wanting to give you an account, and your existing bank deciding to close your account for spurious reasons.
Oh behave. He fell below the threshold and he's an ar**. He sold the original story as "I am a national treasure and I have to leave this country because I cannot get a bank account, because of he woke banks". This story has become bigger as his ego has been inflated by his shills.
Why are we pandering to this self- indulgent t***? If all the high street banks had refused Corbyn a bank account we would be quite comfortable that an old anti- Semite apologist was being shown the door. We'd have had a whip round for his ferry ticket.
The left wing attack should be that Farage has drawn attention to a much wider problem, whereby tens of thousands of ordinary people have had their bank accounts arbitrarily closed.
Now that's a different story, and one that is a major issue for breadline Britain.
I would love to have seen Farage reduced to joining a credit union.
Would you really like it if you lived in a country where you could be denied banking on the basis of your political opinions?
There is a difference between bumping someone out of a bank for his particular political opinions, versus being a PEP. The latter is what counts in regulation AFAICS, and, presumably, in terms of the bank's liability if things go pearshaped.
The wider issue of bank access is to some extent a separate one - being a PEP is not the only reason to get a CIFAS flag against one's name.
I see the 'basic bank account' is much mentioned eg below, but what happens if none of the banks want to be socially positive? I don't have enough experience of that end of life (thank goodness).
You become a non person, unable to access housing or employment, so turn to criminality to survive or leave the country if you have the initiative otherwise homelessness. It is certainly a worse punishment than probation, fines, or community service and potentially worse than prison yet can be assigned to you by a faceless algorithm or incorrect data you are not allowed to see.
And no one on the left or centre of pb.com seem to care because Farage.
I am left of center, and I just gave my opinion that I care about it.
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
I would be centre as well so yes, "everyone" was not meant to mean "literally everyone". Indeed "literally everyone" would rarely mean "literally everyone".....it is a strange language, not designed for vulcans.
Where's the 'centre of pb.com' though? We're all raging lefties,* aren't we? So the centre of pb.com would probably John McDonnell if he'd care to join us
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
I would say the centre of pb is a blend of Nigelb, BigG, Richard Nabavi and Richard Tyndall perhaps - other combinations of course available. As a group closer to Tories than Labour generally but to different levels pissed off with the Tory drift towards incompetence. And I don't think that is dissimilar to the centre of the nation politically either.
I would put the centre of pb at Selebian, Ydoethur or Kle4.
Kle4 a good shout indeed, and maybe ydoethur required to reflect the correct measure of punnage so happy with your trio as well.
I do like to think of myself as PB's leading punned it.
I would put a pun t on a few of us coming a close second
A brave attempt, but we're still poles apart.
I am prepared to give you some latitude on that statement
Well, you arcticulated that nicely so I'll let it pass.
Pleased you didn't attempt to give me a mean time over it
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A brexit benefit or a brexit negative?
Typical PB categorical assertion that "everyone" or "no one" is this, that, or the other.
Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried. About 99.46% of the time, anyway.
With apologies for being so pedantic.
But as SSI just said in relation to another topic, Real life just ain't THAT cut-and-dried
Isn't that a famous saying?
Thus eliminating need for Vulcan mind-meld.
Which is why I was pissed off with it.
I see ads frequently from the different banks, ads from a big credit union, BECU (originally open to Boeing employees, now open to anyone living here in Washington state). And then there are ads for various on-line financial companies, some even offering to help you fix your credit rating, and, of course ads for "payday loans".
Years ago, I read that people in the UK think of a bank as a place to get money, whereas Americans think of a bank as a place to put money. Is there still some truth in the first part of that?
“I’ll never forget the desperate faces and empty stares of the prisoners …”
Before he was a famous singer, Tony Bennett helped liberate a subcamp of Dachau in April 1945 as part of the US Army’s 63rd Infantry Division.
https://twitter.com/HolocaustMuseum/status/1682413319146151936
(Edit - by the way, I take it you mean Bernard Matthews not Bernard Manning?)
It is up there alongside 'Tears in the Rain' from Bladerunner and 'Here's looking at you kid' from Casablanca.
*well, anti-Con, which is more or less the same thing
A firm believer in the Civil Rights Movement, Bennett participated in the 1965 Selma to Montgomery marches. He performed in the "Stars for Freedom" rally the night before Martin Luther King's "How Long, Not Long" speech. At the conclusion of the March, Bennett was driven to the airport by Viola Liuzzo, a mother of five from Detroit, who was murdered later that day by the Ku Klux Klan.
Bennett refused to perform in apartheid South Africa.
SSI - obviously TB was a confirmed, serial (proto) Wokeist.
Hey, wickets falling now. Thought they might. This is on.
What could possibly go wrong for England?
For sensible policy reasons, despite his public problems with them in the 70s.
Guess nobody here is going to be complaining about Wo[a]kes now.
They're absolutely at liberty to do so, of course. But it's not only sinister that banks take a view on the political views of their existing customers based on a social-media-trawl, it's also not particularly good for Coutts business.
NEW: Technical experts have now recovered "all relevant messages" from Boris Johnson's phone, his spokesman says.
After a security check by Cabinet Office they will be delivered in unredacted form to Covid inquiry.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1682395187610263556
This was the original script:
“I’ve seen things… seen things you little people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion bright as magnesium… I rode on the back decks of a blinker and watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments… they’ll be gone.”
Hauer rewrote it the night before, and delivered his version as a surprise:
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”
We had the same in the T20 final.
Would be interesting to map us all on politicalcompass or the like. I'd have BigG and the two Richards slightly right of centre on a UK left-right scale. Raging lefties on a US scale. For PB, I'd probably have them slightly right of centre, too. Nigel I'd put pretty much centre. Me? Similar, I guess.
Someone ought to do the same with the BoJo Txts when they reach the full light of day.
ADDENDUM - Would note that here in Seattle, OUR crap politicos - such as former mayor Jenny Durkin - are WAY more technically adept at "inadvertently" destroying similar cell phone evidence.
So if not now when would you have actually cared enough to argue for the unbanked?
He’s not as slim as he was (who is?) but he’s nothing like that
https://twitter.com/jmpsimor/status/1681339793169342465?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
I also entirely agree with him that every child in the UK should be taught: ten recipes to save their life
It’s the exact same policy I’ve espoused on here for years. Ten recipes. One pasta, one curry, one or two veggie, one roast, at least one fish, one salad with dressing, just ten good wholesome recipes. Drum it into them! Do it!
Australia mucking about.
I need to raise my Godfather game ...
"Fredo, you're my older brother and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the family again. Ever."
If he has the same luck he's had so far this series Aus have nothing to fear.
ETA: (A logically indisputable statement)
A lesson many here could learn sometimes.
Players can be timed out if they're late to the crease, and bowlers can be removed from the attack if they run on the bowling strip, so perhaps there's scope to give umpires the power to dismiss batters for time-wasting.
*I would like it stated for the record that even I can try and be fair to Boris Johnson, even tho I think he is an absolute c***
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TxiSWKYjc20
Gary Pratt, is a very good pub quiz question answer.