"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
It's the day of launch, dude.
So it IS quite hard to reproduce then. Otherwise, dude, they’d have nailed it on day one. It’s not like they lack the money
No, it isn't hard for them to get what they've got so far. You complaints appear to be about the business model and linking with Insta. That's different from the techie side.
As it happens, I'd quite like to try Threads, but I don't have an Insta account and cannot be bothered getting one. So it's a no from me atm.
lol. And that sounds, to me, like a huge fundamental error from the get-go. They've fucked it up
LOL. And that's something they can change *very* quickly if they see it as being a problem with take up. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they do do away with it later on - in the same way you don't need a FB account to go on Insta, or vice versa.
Anyway, the Guardian (hardly friends of Meta) aren't as negative as you about it:
" However, with Twitter getting clunkier and progressively less usable since Musk took it over, opening an app and actually being able to see and engage with content smoothly felt like a breath of fresh air."
No, it's not. If you actually try to join Threads (you haven't, have you?) you will see it is intrinsically bound up with Insta. In a foundational way. It's a shared DNA. Zuck is trying to create something called the "Fediverse", where everyone uses all his social media and interchanges followers
I mean, UGH
If you do join Threads using your insta account (which is the only way to join it) then if you try to delete Threads it forces you to delete Insta as well, losing your account there. It's a trap
The whole thing is Grade A shyte
Because its physically impossible to create a second Insta/Threads account.
Is it? I genuinely never knew that
I loathe Facebook and find Insta deadly boring, so I know little about their workings
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
Can we go back to Usenet? Preferably before the masses arrived.
Flame wars haven't been the same since some idiot tried to write an operating system and pretend it was a text editor called Emacs.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
It's been in the works for quite a while afaik (according to some ex-FB'ers I know). Whether it gets traction just by 'virtue' of the gravity well of instagram users - hard to say. But just needs to cut away X% of twitters revenue to do them further harm ontop of the self-inflicted wounds.
Yes, I concur. It's shit enough that it won't remotely replace Twitter, but Meta is rich enough, and with Insta it has enough users, that it can do real damage to Twitter - stealing some twitterers - and also advertising
The latter's key. Musk is doing everything he can to deter advertisers on Twitter, and FB *loves* advertisers. Or at least, their money.
It's almost as though Musk didn't realise how Twitter made 90% of its money...
You seem quite invested in the whole shenanigans at twitter.
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
However the court case between Zuck and those two weird twins/brothers does suggest there is a place where, if you get close enough, you will encounter legal problems
Anyway, The Muskotron is apparently suing the Zuckerbot, so cyberpopcorn it is
Apple sued ms for ripping off the GUI, and lost.
Which is fair enough, because gates only stole from jobs what jobs stole from xerox.
Apple also sued Atari for their GEM desktop and won. And MS sued them over the disk format so Atari couldn't read MSDOS formatted disks.
There is a huge incumbency "bonus" for any social media platform. There are users, and an audience, and people post there already.
It is therefore extremely hard to replace an app with something essentially identical. I mean, what's the incentive to jump, as you lose all your followers, and you can't necessarily see all the things you used to.
Now, that's not to say that changes don't happen: whatever happened to Friends Reunited? Or MySpace? Or Flickr?
But they typically happen because someone else comes up with a better, different app, and people migrate because there is some feature that is missing.
Threads fails - for now - because it doesn't really offer anything particularly new.
That said... who on here pays for Twitter?
Because right now, the site is caught in limbo. It has massive debts. It's struggling to make new monetisation work. It's become a hotbed of IP theft (best place to stream pirated movies!). And Musk is stuck in a mindset where he's trying to cut costs to reach profitability, and that's making his systems less reliable.
So, what happens?
Hard to say, but there's a reason why Twitter debt trades at 50 cents in the dollar, and Fidelity has written down the value of its stake by two thirds.
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
Can we go back to Usenet? Preferably before the masses arrived.
Flame wars haven't been the same since some idiot tried to write an operating system and pretend it was a text editor called Emacs.
Emacs? Which idiots ever used that? Vi was much better ...
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
It's been in the works for quite a while afaik (according to some ex-FB'ers I know). Whether it gets traction just by 'virtue' of the gravity well of instagram users - hard to say. But just needs to cut away X% of twitters revenue to do them further harm ontop of the self-inflicted wounds.
Yes, I concur. It's shit enough that it won't remotely replace Twitter, but Meta is rich enough, and with Insta it has enough users, that it can do real damage to Twitter - stealing some twitterers - and also advertising
The latter's key. Musk is doing everything he can to deter advertisers on Twitter, and FB *loves* advertisers. Or at least, their money.
It's almost as though Musk didn't realise how Twitter made 90% of its money...
People who hate Elon Musk always seem to overcompensate by insisting he’s a complete idiot who isn’t aware of the most basic things.
I have a gazillion unused accounts. Why would I bother to delete them?
Coz if you decide you don't like Threads on your phone and it is scraping your data, you might want to delete it. But what if you have an insta account you really do like, at the same time?
You are forced to keep both, it seems - or delete both. I'm not even sure you could create a burner Insta account just to get a Threads account. It seems to detect immediately if you have an insta account you are already using. Or it did for me
What data? If I'm not using Threads, and it's unused, what data is being scraped?
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
Can we go back to Usenet? Preferably before the masses arrived.
Flame wars haven't been the same since some idiot tried to write an operating system and pretend it was a text editor called Emacs.
Emacs? Which idiots ever used that? Vi was much better ...
"In)famous for its terseness, ed, compatible with teletype terminals like Teletype Model 33, gives almost no visual feedback,[8] and has been called (by Peter H. Salus) "the most user-hostile editor ever created""
I have a gazillion unused accounts. Why would I bother to delete them?
Coz if you decide you don't like Threads on your phone and it is scraping your data, you might want to delete it. But what if you have an insta account you really do like, at the same time?
You are forced to keep both, it seems - or delete both. I'm not even sure you could create a burner Insta account just to get a Threads account. It seems to detect immediately if you have an insta account you are already using. Or it did for me
What data? If I'm not using Threads, and it's unused, what data is being scraped?
Dunno. I'm not even sure what the fuck "data scraping" is. I just wanted to say "data scraping" like a pro. THAT's how casual, blase and debonair I am
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
It's been in the works for quite a while afaik (according to some ex-FB'ers I know). Whether it gets traction just by 'virtue' of the gravity well of instagram users - hard to say. But just needs to cut away X% of twitters revenue to do them further harm ontop of the self-inflicted wounds.
Yes, I concur. It's shit enough that it won't remotely replace Twitter, but Meta is rich enough, and with Insta it has enough users, that it can do real damage to Twitter - stealing some twitterers - and also advertising
The latter's key. Musk is doing everything he can to deter advertisers on Twitter, and FB *loves* advertisers. Or at least, their money.
It's almost as though Musk didn't realise how Twitter made 90% of its money...
People who hate Elon Musk always seem to overcompensate by insisting he’s a complete idiot who isn’t aware of the most basic things.
He's also CEO of three different (large) companies.
Even geniuses can let things fall through the cracks when they're trying to focus on too many different things.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
It's been in the works for quite a while afaik (according to some ex-FB'ers I know). Whether it gets traction just by 'virtue' of the gravity well of instagram users - hard to say. But just needs to cut away X% of twitters revenue to do them further harm ontop of the self-inflicted wounds.
Yes, I concur. It's shit enough that it won't remotely replace Twitter, but Meta is rich enough, and with Insta it has enough users, that it can do real damage to Twitter - stealing some twitterers - and also advertising
The latter's key. Musk is doing everything he can to deter advertisers on Twitter, and FB *loves* advertisers. Or at least, their money.
It's almost as though Musk didn't realise how Twitter made 90% of its money...
You seem quite invested in the whole shenanigans at twitter.
Not particularly. I actually only got an account at about the time it was bought out. And I certainly haven't paid my eight dollars a month (or has that changed?) for it.
It's a bit funny, that's all - tinged with annoyance at the way Musky baby treats its staff and companies it buys services from. We have one of the world's richest men refusing to pay smaller companies for services that have been used. That's both funny and very wrong.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
It's been in the works for quite a while afaik (according to some ex-FB'ers I know). Whether it gets traction just by 'virtue' of the gravity well of instagram users - hard to say. But just needs to cut away X% of twitters revenue to do them further harm ontop of the self-inflicted wounds.
Yes, I concur. It's shit enough that it won't remotely replace Twitter, but Meta is rich enough, and with Insta it has enough users, that it can do real damage to Twitter - stealing some twitterers - and also advertising
The latter's key. Musk is doing everything he can to deter advertisers on Twitter, and FB *loves* advertisers. Or at least, their money.
It's almost as though Musk didn't realise how Twitter made 90% of its money...
People who hate Elon Musk always seem to overcompensate by insisting he’s a complete idiot who isn’t aware of the most basic things.
Yeah, I've seen educated people on Twitter make the literal claim that Musk is mentally retarded. Not just "eccentric or "prone to errors" or "on the spectrum with various issues", but an actual cretin who can't fry an egg
There is a Musk Derangement Syndrome, just as there is with Boris, Trump and Brexit
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Have you ever heard of something called multi accounting?
@Leon: pah, you late-adopters! Just get a burner account and join Twitter Also @Leon: pah, you early-adopters! I don't want people to find out things about me on Threads!
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
It's been in the works for quite a while afaik (according to some ex-FB'ers I know). Whether it gets traction just by 'virtue' of the gravity well of instagram users - hard to say. But just needs to cut away X% of twitters revenue to do them further harm ontop of the self-inflicted wounds.
Yes, I concur. It's shit enough that it won't remotely replace Twitter, but Meta is rich enough, and with Insta it has enough users, that it can do real damage to Twitter - stealing some twitterers - and also advertising
The latter's key. Musk is doing everything he can to deter advertisers on Twitter, and FB *loves* advertisers. Or at least, their money.
It's almost as though Musk didn't realise how Twitter made 90% of its money...
People who hate Elon Musk always seem to overcompensate by insisting he’s a complete idiot who isn’t aware of the most basic things.
I don't *hate* Musk I just react to those who treat him as a God, and excuse his frequent dickbaggery because of 'cool rockets and cars!.
Now for the point: Musk is well-known for disliking advertising. Tesla did not advertise until recently, and the alternatives of word-of-mouth and Internet hype has served him well.
Now, that's fair enough. As I say, he's done well out of it. But the problem is - as someone pointed out when he first said he'd buy Twitter - advertising is a world he knows f'all about. And one that might run contrary to his instincts. It has been reported that one of the first meetings with ad agencies when he took over Twitter did not go well, because he did not understand that world.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
It's been in the works for quite a while afaik (according to some ex-FB'ers I know). Whether it gets traction just by 'virtue' of the gravity well of instagram users - hard to say. But just needs to cut away X% of twitters revenue to do them further harm ontop of the self-inflicted wounds.
Yes, I concur. It's shit enough that it won't remotely replace Twitter, but Meta is rich enough, and with Insta it has enough users, that it can do real damage to Twitter - stealing some twitterers - and also advertising
The latter's key. Musk is doing everything he can to deter advertisers on Twitter, and FB *loves* advertisers. Or at least, their money.
It's almost as though Musk didn't realise how Twitter made 90% of its money...
People who hate Elon Musk always seem to overcompensate by insisting he’s a complete idiot who isn’t aware of the most basic things.
Yeah, I've seen educated people on Twitter make the literal claim that Musk is mentally retarded. Not just "eccentric or "prone to errors" or "on the spectrum with various issues", but an actual cretin who can't fry an egg
There is a Musk Derangement Syndrome, just as there is with Boris, Trump and Brexit
The Musk Derangement Syndrome occurs at both ends of the spectrum: those who think he is evil at one end, and those who think he is a God that single-handedly does everything at all his companies.
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
It's the day of launch, dude.
So it IS quite hard to reproduce then. Otherwise, dude, they’d have nailed it on day one. It’s not like they lack the money
No, it isn't hard for them to get what they've got so far. You complaints appear to be about the business model and linking with Insta. That's different from the techie side.
As it happens, I'd quite like to try Threads, but I don't have an Insta account and cannot be bothered getting one. So it's a no from me atm.
The issue is not whether one can open an account, it's whether one can see threads. I don't have to have an account to see a thread on Threads I do have to have an account to see a thread on Twitter
"Here’s a little known Eurostar fact for you all, we’re required to provide space for the national authorities to move someone under arrest on our services, thus each of our trains has a private space with these points to attach handcuffs"
"Here’s a little known Eurostar fact for you all, we’re required to provide space for the national authorities to move someone under arrest on our services, thus each of our trains has a private space with these points to attach handcuffs"
This will come as a shock to PB-ers, but I was actually THERE for that iconic final day at Lord’s last Sunday, when Stokes hit the greatest Test century on English soil and there was an iconic cheating allegation that embroiled two prime ministers and was headline news across the cosmos
ANYWAY at the time I wondered if any other cricketer had ever attained a Test century - hit or passed the 100 - by hitting three consecutive sixes
Some noble stattonerd is also interested in this. And he’s found - he says - at least one prior example. In South Africa
The batsman was… Ben Stokes
I know hyperbole is your thing, but the BIB is not correct. I can think of many others as good, or better. It was a great knock, but no more than that.
Of course I’m being provocative, but I’m not entirely wrong. How do you judge a great innings? There are multiple objective ways, number of runs, duration at wicket, etc, and even more subjective ways.
But one objective way is: the number of sixes scored in that one innings. Stokes hit 9, which is the greatest number ever in a Test innings, on English soil
And, weirdly, I was there
Ian Botham has met 100,000 of the 10,000 who were at Headingly in 1981.
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It's the way of Silicon Valley.
It is therefore extremely hard to replace an app with something essentially identical. I mean, what's the incentive to jump, as you lose all your followers, and you can't necessarily see all the things you used to.
Now, that's not to say that changes don't happen: whatever happened to Friends Reunited? Or MySpace? Or Flickr?
But they typically happen because someone else comes up with a better, different app, and people migrate because there is some feature that is missing.
Threads fails - for now - because it doesn't really offer anything particularly new.
That said... who on here pays for Twitter?
Because right now, the site is caught in limbo. It has massive debts. It's struggling to make new monetisation work. It's become a hotbed of IP theft (best place to stream pirated movies!). And Musk is stuck in a mindset where he's trying to cut costs to reach profitability, and that's making his systems less reliable.
So, what happens?
Hard to say, but there's a reason why Twitter debt trades at 50 cents in the dollar, and Fidelity has written down the value of its stake by two thirds.
"In)famous for its terseness, ed, compatible with teletype terminals like Teletype Model 33, gives almost no visual feedback,[8] and has been called (by Peter H. Salus) "the most user-hostile editor ever created""
Dunno. I'm not even sure what the fuck "data scraping" is. I just wanted to say "data scraping" like a pro. THAT's how casual, blase and debonair I am
Suck it
Even geniuses can let things fall through the cracks when they're trying to focus on too many different things.
It's a bit funny, that's all - tinged with annoyance at the way Musky baby treats its staff and companies it buys services from. We have one of the world's richest men refusing to pay smaller companies for services that have been used. That's both funny and very wrong.
There is a Musk Derangement Syndrome, just as there is with Boris, Trump and Brexit
joined the metaverse. And regrets it.
Also @Leon: pah, you early-adopters! I don't want people to find out things about me on Threads!
Now for the point: Musk is well-known for disliking advertising. Tesla did not advertise until recently, and the alternatives of word-of-mouth and Internet hype has served him well.
e.g. "I hate advertising" https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1188890479401689088
Now, that's fair enough. As I say, he's done well out of it. But the problem is - as someone pointed out when he first said he'd buy Twitter - advertising is a world he knows f'all about. And one that might run contrary to his instincts. It has been reported that one of the first meetings with ad agencies when he took over Twitter did not go well, because he did not understand that world.
I don't have to have an account to see a thread on Threads
I do have to have an account to see a thread on Twitter
(Seriously though, what are you referring to?)
Oh
I see what you did there...