Starmer just written the Tories next leaflet in the Uxbridge by election for them.
'Sir Keir Starmer has refused to take a side in a by-election dispute over whether to expand London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
Under plans from Labour mayor Sadiq Khan, the clean-air zone is set to become three times bigger from 29 August.
But Labour's candidate in this month's Uxbridge by-election, Danny Beales, wants the expansion halted.
In a BBC interview, the Labour leader declined to say which view he backed.
He added that Mr Khan was trying to fulfil his legal obligations to reduce emissions, whilst Mr Beales was trying to fight for his future constituents.
"Both of those things have to be accommodated," he added.
The Labour leader has previously said that Mr Khan was "right" to expand the zone, arguing last month it was part of the fight to curb lung cancer.'
See the Cambridge local by election this week where Labour even lost a seat they held to the Tories over the Labour council's unpopular congestion charge
I thought it was a safe Tory seat? What happened, was the incumbant MP a bit naughty?
No it was always a Labour or LD council seat, never been Tory until this week
Uxbridge......
On current polls Labour should win Uxbridge. Opposition to ULEZ expansion and the high Hindu vote there however could mean a shock Tory hold. That would give Rishi a rather better summer holiday break than Sir Keir I would expect (albeit I think Labour could get very close in Selby)
Putting by elections on one side, here is a bit of betting post anecdata, bearing in mind that Labour on some polls are going to wipe out the Tories (23 point lead today etc).
I am part of a basically one nation Tory family. All my immediate family generally vote Tory; we are centrist right moderate liberals; I haven't voted otherwise in a GE since the 1970s. I firmly supported Major in 1997, and it never crossed my mind really to buy into Blair's project
Of the 6 in my immediate family not one intends at the moment to vote Tory. I think on the day not more than one will do so. The turning point for me was Patersongate, and since then it has got much worse.
It's a small sample, but it is backed by the polls. I no longer think a Tory wipeout is impossible.
Did they all vote Tory in 1997 when the Tories held Uxbridge? Or 1966 when Labour won Uxbridge?
Do they live in London where ULEZ is deeply unpopular? Are they Hindu with whom Rishi is particularly popular?
You spectacularly miss the point
@algarkirk makes an honest point and you prevaricate
I can align with his comments, as my family vote conservative but of the 9 who do only 1 is likely, and at present I may vote labour to get Robin Miller out, as he is one of the 25 who want to stop carers coming into our country
You also voted for Blair twice.
You are Tory leaning swing voter, not a true Tory core voter.
To be that you would have to vote Tory at every general election, win or lose
Sadly you are the worst advert for the conservative party I know, and your constant insults to conservative supporters is shameful and frankly quite disturbing
If you were a real true Tory you would have voted for Major in 1997, Hague in 2001 and would now still vote for Rishi next year. Sorry but that is just the truth
I am not a tribal devotee, and if you are an example of the modern conservative party then I want nothing to do with it
Actualy I am quite proud of the fact I do not fit in with 'your definition' of a true Tory
Starmer just written the Tories next leaflet in the Uxbridge by election for them.
'Sir Keir Starmer has refused to take a side in a by-election dispute over whether to expand London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
Under plans from Labour mayor Sadiq Khan, the clean-air zone is set to become three times bigger from 29 August.
But Labour's candidate in this month's Uxbridge by-election, Danny Beales, wants the expansion halted.
In a BBC interview, the Labour leader declined to say which view he backed.
He added that Mr Khan was trying to fulfil his legal obligations to reduce emissions, whilst Mr Beales was trying to fight for his future constituents.
"Both of those things have to be accommodated," he added.
The Labour leader has previously said that Mr Khan was "right" to expand the zone, arguing last month it was part of the fight to curb lung cancer.'
See the Cambridge local by election this week where Labour even lost a seat they held to the Tories over the Labour council's unpopular congestion charge
I thought it was a safe Tory seat? What happened, was the incumbant MP a bit naughty?
No it was always a Labour or LD council seat, never been Tory until this week
Uxbridge......
On current polls Labour should win Uxbridge. Opposition to ULEZ expansion and the high Hindu vote there however could mean a shock Tory hold. That would give Rishi a rather better summer holiday break than Sir Keir I would expect (albeit I think Labour could get very close in Selby)
Putting by elections on one side, here is a bit of betting post anecdata, bearing in mind that Labour on some polls are going to wipe out the Tories (23 point lead today etc).
I am part of a basically one nation Tory family. All my immediate family generally vote Tory; we are centrist right moderate liberals; I haven't voted otherwise in a GE since the 1970s. I firmly supported Major in 1997, and it never crossed my mind really to buy into Blair's project
Of the 6 in my immediate family not one intends at the moment to vote Tory. I think on the day not more than one will do so. The turning point for me was Patersongate, and since then it has got much worse.
It's a small sample, but it is backed by the polls. I no longer think a Tory wipeout is impossible.
Did they all vote Tory in 1997 when the Tories held Uxbridge? Or 1966 when Labour won Uxbridge?
Do they live in London where ULEZ is deeply unpopular? Are they Hindu with whom Rishi is particularly popular?
You spectacularly miss the point
@algarkirk makes an honest point and you prevaricate
I can align with his comments, as my family vote conservative but of the 9 who do only 1 is likely, and at present I may vote labour to get Robin Miller out, as he is one of the 25 who want to stop carers coming into our country
You also voted for Blair twice.
You are Tory leaning swing voter, not a true Tory core voter.
To be that you would have to vote Tory at every general election, win or lose
Sadly you are the worst advert for the conservative party I know, and your constant insults to conservative supporters is shameful and frankly quite disturbing
If you were a real true Tory you would have voted for Major in 1997, Hague in 2001 and would now still vote for Rishi next year. Sorry but that is just the truth
I am not a tribal devotee, and if you are an example of the modern conservative party then I want nothing to do with it
Actualy I am quite proud of the fact I do not fit in with 'your definition' of a true Tory
The reality is the majority of people are like you, rather than HYUFD. They have certain beliefs and overwhelmingly will vote for the party that naturally aligns with that, but on occasion the local or national offering is so bad / mad / corrupt that they say no not this time.
Starmer just written the Tories next leaflet in the Uxbridge by election for them.
'Sir Keir Starmer has refused to take a side in a by-election dispute over whether to expand London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
Under plans from Labour mayor Sadiq Khan, the clean-air zone is set to become three times bigger from 29 August.
But Labour's candidate in this month's Uxbridge by-election, Danny Beales, wants the expansion halted.
In a BBC interview, the Labour leader declined to say which view he backed.
He added that Mr Khan was trying to fulfil his legal obligations to reduce emissions, whilst Mr Beales was trying to fight for his future constituents.
"Both of those things have to be accommodated," he added.
The Labour leader has previously said that Mr Khan was "right" to expand the zone, arguing last month it was part of the fight to curb lung cancer.'
See the Cambridge local by election this week where Labour even lost a seat they held to the Tories over the Labour council's unpopular congestion charge
I thought it was a safe Tory seat? What happened, was the incumbant MP a bit naughty?
No it was always a Labour or LD council seat, never been Tory until this week
Uxbridge......
On current polls Labour should win Uxbridge. Opposition to ULEZ expansion and the high Hindu vote there however could mean a shock Tory hold. That would give Rishi a rather better summer holiday break than Sir Keir I would expect (albeit I think Labour could get very close in Selby)
But why isn't it a safe Tory seat? I know you follow Tory politics quite closely so are likely to have the answer?
Uxbridge has never been a safe Tory seat ie in the top 100 safest Tory seats and always had a Tory MP since 1945.
Indeed Labour won Uxbridge from 1945-1955 under Attlee and Labour also won Uxbridge in 1966 under Wilson.
In 1997 the Tories only narrowly held on and New Labour targeted it hard in the subsequent by election that summer but the Tories held on
You simply cannot bring yourself to condemn Johnson can you, but merely prattle out excuses for the inexcusable
The Tories were polling higher under Johnson last summer than now
You have just made my case
The polling today is a direct result of toxic Johnson and Truss even with the reminder of Pincher today
Johnson and his disciples have 'ratnered' the party and it will take a very long time to recover and it certainly will not recover under the ERG and right wingers like yourself, who seem to be in thrall with the likes of Farage and Trump
Truss maybe and her disastrous budget leading to surging interest rates hitting mortgage holders.
If Johnson was still in place that budget would never have occurred and Truss would never have become PM. It did far more damage to the Tory poll rating than partygate ever did
It was a butterfly effect.
If Johnson had kept himself to himself, not attended lockdown parties because rules don't apply to him, hadn't conspired to let Owen Patterson off the hook and protect the loathesome groper there would have been no need for a Truss budget.
Your Sir Boris Innocent was the architect of the Conservative decline.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Starmer just written the Tories next leaflet in the Uxbridge by election for them.
'Sir Keir Starmer has refused to take a side in a by-election dispute over whether to expand London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
Under plans from Labour mayor Sadiq Khan, the clean-air zone is set to become three times bigger from 29 August.
But Labour's candidate in this month's Uxbridge by-election, Danny Beales, wants the expansion halted.
In a BBC interview, the Labour leader declined to say which view he backed.
He added that Mr Khan was trying to fulfil his legal obligations to reduce emissions, whilst Mr Beales was trying to fight for his future constituents.
"Both of those things have to be accommodated," he added.
The Labour leader has previously said that Mr Khan was "right" to expand the zone, arguing last month it was part of the fight to curb lung cancer.'
See the Cambridge local by election this week where Labour even lost a seat they held to the Tories over the Labour council's unpopular congestion charge
I thought it was a safe Tory seat? What happened, was the incumbant MP a bit naughty?
No it was always a Labour or LD council seat, never been Tory until this week
Uxbridge......
On current polls Labour should win Uxbridge. Opposition to ULEZ expansion and the high Hindu vote there however could mean a shock Tory hold. That would give Rishi a rather better summer holiday break than Sir Keir I would expect (albeit I think Labour could get very close in Selby)
Putting by elections on one side, here is a bit of betting post anecdata, bearing in mind that Labour on some polls are going to wipe out the Tories (23 point lead today etc).
I am part of a basically one nation Tory family. All my immediate family generally vote Tory; we are centrist right moderate liberals; I haven't voted otherwise in a GE since the 1970s. I firmly supported Major in 1997, and it never crossed my mind really to buy into Blair's project
Of the 6 in my immediate family not one intends at the moment to vote Tory. I think on the day not more than one will do so. The turning point for me was Patersongate, and since then it has got much worse.
It's a small sample, but it is backed by the polls. I no longer think a Tory wipeout is impossible.
Did they all vote Tory in 1997 when the Tories held Uxbridge? Or 1966 when Labour won Uxbridge?
Do they live in London where ULEZ is deeply unpopular? Are they Hindu with whom Rishi is particularly popular?
You spectacularly miss the point
@algarkirk makes an honest point and you prevaricate
I can align with his comments, as my family vote conservative but of the 9 who do only 1 is likely, and at present I may vote labour to get Robin Miller out, as he is one of the 25 who want to stop carers coming into our country
You also voted for Blair twice.
You are Tory leaning swing voter, not a true Tory core voter.
To be that you would have to vote Tory at every general election, win or lose
Sadly you are the worst advert for the conservative party I know, and your constant insults to conservative supporters is shameful and frankly quite disturbing
If you were a real true Tory you would have voted for Major in 1997, Hague in 2001 and would now still vote for Rishi next year. Sorry but that is just the truth
I am not a tribal devotee, and if you are an example of the modern conservative party then I want nothing to do with it
Actualy I am quite proud of the fact I do not fit in with 'your definition' of a true Tory
Well the definition of Chump seems to be nearing it's climax. Both @Big_G_NorthWales and @HYUFD have thrown themselves on the rocks and it seems (oddly) to achieve the crown in this hitherto little fought for contest!
Starmer just written the Tories next leaflet in the Uxbridge by election for them.
'Sir Keir Starmer has refused to take a side in a by-election dispute over whether to expand London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
Under plans from Labour mayor Sadiq Khan, the clean-air zone is set to become three times bigger from 29 August.
But Labour's candidate in this month's Uxbridge by-election, Danny Beales, wants the expansion halted.
In a BBC interview, the Labour leader declined to say which view he backed.
He added that Mr Khan was trying to fulfil his legal obligations to reduce emissions, whilst Mr Beales was trying to fight for his future constituents.
"Both of those things have to be accommodated," he added.
The Labour leader has previously said that Mr Khan was "right" to expand the zone, arguing last month it was part of the fight to curb lung cancer.'
See the Cambridge local by election this week where Labour even lost a seat they held to the Tories over the Labour council's unpopular congestion charge
I thought it was a safe Tory seat? What happened, was the incumbant MP a bit naughty?
No it was always a Labour or LD council seat, never been Tory until this week
Uxbridge......
On current polls Labour should win Uxbridge. Opposition to ULEZ expansion and the high Hindu vote there however could mean a shock Tory hold. That would give Rishi a rather better summer holiday break than Sir Keir I would expect (albeit I think Labour could get very close in Selby)
Putting by elections on one side, here is a bit of betting post anecdata, bearing in mind that Labour on some polls are going to wipe out the Tories (23 point lead today etc).
I am part of a basically one nation Tory family. All my immediate family generally vote Tory; we are centrist right moderate liberals; I haven't voted otherwise in a GE since the 1970s. I firmly supported Major in 1997, and it never crossed my mind really to buy into Blair's project
Of the 6 in my immediate family not one intends at the moment to vote Tory. I think on the day not more than one will do so. The turning point for me was Patersongate, and since then it has got much worse.
It's a small sample, but it is backed by the polls. I no longer think a Tory wipeout is impossible.
Did they all vote Tory in 1997 when the Tories held Uxbridge? Or 1966 when Labour won Uxbridge?
Do they live in London where ULEZ is deeply unpopular? Are they Hindu with whom Rishi is particularly popular?
You spectacularly miss the point
@algarkirk makes an honest point and you prevaricate
I can align with his comments, as my family vote conservative but of the 9 who do only 1 is likely, and at present I may vote labour to get Robin Miller out, as he is one of the 25 who want to stop carers coming into our country
You also voted for Blair twice.
You are Tory leaning swing voter, not a true Tory core voter.
To be that you would have to vote Tory at every general election, win or lose
Sadly you are the worst advert for the conservative party I know, and your constant insults to conservative supporters is shameful and frankly quite disturbing
If you were a real true Tory you would have voted for Major in 1997, Hague in 2001 and would now still vote for Rishi next year. Sorry but that is just the truth
And if you were a REAL TORY, you would have voted LEAVE in 2016. Sorry, but that's just the truth
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Well how else will they get an instant network effort.
Completely O/T but I’m watching flying ants erupt from their nest for the first time I’ve ever watched up close. Seen the flying ant clouds in the air before but never watched them actually come to the surface and go crazy. All the non flying ants are running everywhere on speed . Quite a wonderful thing to see in a strange way - like watching a Timelapse of Glastonbury with thousands of people running around going nuts in the sun and the grass.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Have you ever heard of something called multi accounting?
Starmer just written the Tories next leaflet in the Uxbridge by election for them.
'Sir Keir Starmer has refused to take a side in a by-election dispute over whether to expand London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
Under plans from Labour mayor Sadiq Khan, the clean-air zone is set to become three times bigger from 29 August.
But Labour's candidate in this month's Uxbridge by-election, Danny Beales, wants the expansion halted.
In a BBC interview, the Labour leader declined to say which view he backed.
He added that Mr Khan was trying to fulfil his legal obligations to reduce emissions, whilst Mr Beales was trying to fight for his future constituents.
"Both of those things have to be accommodated," he added.
The Labour leader has previously said that Mr Khan was "right" to expand the zone, arguing last month it was part of the fight to curb lung cancer.'
See the Cambridge local by election this week where Labour even lost a seat they held to the Tories over the Labour council's unpopular congestion charge
I thought it was a safe Tory seat? What happened, was the incumbant MP a bit naughty?
No it was always a Labour or LD council seat, never been Tory until this week
Uxbridge......
On current polls Labour should win Uxbridge. Opposition to ULEZ expansion and the high Hindu vote there however could mean a shock Tory hold. That would give Rishi a rather better summer holiday break than Sir Keir I would expect (albeit I think Labour could get very close in Selby)
Putting by elections on one side, here is a bit of betting post anecdata, bearing in mind that Labour on some polls are going to wipe out the Tories (23 point lead today etc).
I am part of a basically one nation Tory family. All my immediate family generally vote Tory; we are centrist right moderate liberals; I haven't voted otherwise in a GE since the 1970s. I firmly supported Major in 1997, and it never crossed my mind really to buy into Blair's project
Of the 6 in my immediate family not one intends at the moment to vote Tory. I think on the day not more than one will do so. The turning point for me was Patersongate, and since then it has got much worse.
It's a small sample, but it is backed by the polls. I no longer think a Tory wipeout is impossible.
Did they all vote Tory in 1997 when the Tories held Uxbridge? Or 1966 when Labour won Uxbridge?
Do they live in London where ULEZ is deeply unpopular? Are they Hindu with whom Rishi is particularly popular?
ULEZ is deeply unpopular with Nick Ferrari and fans of Nick Ferrari. Those who live in the ULEZ expansion zone, don't want their children to die of respiratory disease, are not Tories and who own a compliant vehicle, not so much.
I wonder how much the ULEZ fuss both in favour and against is people projecting ideas upon it which have no basis in reality.
The name ULEZ to me implies electric-only or equivalent. That my 13-year old petrol vehicle would be ULEZ-compliant if I lived in London certainly isn't what I'd imagine from all the fuss on either side.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Well how else will they get an instant network effort.
I guess its back to Mastadon for everybody ;-)
Mastodon. Lol. What a lefty disaster zone. Woke zombies wandering an empty echo chamber. The Woking Dead
Basically it’s very hard to replicate/replace Twitter. This won’t do it. But it will attract some, and fragment the social media landscape further. A shame
Completely O/T but I’m watching flying ants erupt from their nest for the first time I’ve ever watched up close. Seen the flying ant clouds in the air before but never watched them actually come to the surface and go crazy. All the non flying ants are running everywhere on speed . Quite a wonderful thing to see in a strange way - like watching a Timelapse of Glastonbury with thousands of people running around going nuts in the sun and the grass.
Unfortunately, the males can't eat (no jaws), so they just shag the queens and then die
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Well how else will they get an instant network effort.
I guess its back to Mastadon for everybody ;-)
A few times I've looked up people who advertise their Mastodon account on their Twitter profile to find that the account no longer exists or isn't being used. Reports of the death of Twitter have been greatly exaggerated.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Well how else will they get an instant network effort.
I guess its back to Mastadon for everybody ;-)
Mastodon. Lol. What a lefty disaster zone. Woke zombies wandering an empty echo chamber. The Woking Dead
Basically it’s very hard to replicate/replace Twitter. This won’t do it. But it will attract some, and fragment the social media landscape further. A shame
I thought this was funny
It truly is funny that the EU's attempts to intimidate Musk/Twitter have scared off their competition.
Starmer just written the Tories next leaflet in the Uxbridge by election for them.
'Sir Keir Starmer has refused to take a side in a by-election dispute over whether to expand London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
Under plans from Labour mayor Sadiq Khan, the clean-air zone is set to become three times bigger from 29 August.
But Labour's candidate in this month's Uxbridge by-election, Danny Beales, wants the expansion halted.
In a BBC interview, the Labour leader declined to say which view he backed.
He added that Mr Khan was trying to fulfil his legal obligations to reduce emissions, whilst Mr Beales was trying to fight for his future constituents.
"Both of those things have to be accommodated," he added.
The Labour leader has previously said that Mr Khan was "right" to expand the zone, arguing last month it was part of the fight to curb lung cancer.'
See the Cambridge local by election this week where Labour even lost a seat they held to the Tories over the Labour council's unpopular congestion charge
I thought it was a safe Tory seat? What happened, was the incumbant MP a bit naughty?
No it was always a Labour or LD council seat, never been Tory until this week
Uxbridge......
On current polls Labour should win Uxbridge. Opposition to ULEZ expansion and the high Hindu vote there however could mean a shock Tory hold. That would give Rishi a rather better summer holiday break than Sir Keir I would expect (albeit I think Labour could get very close in Selby)
But why isn't it a safe Tory seat? I know you follow Tory politics quite closely so are likely to have the answer?
Uxbridge has never been a safe Tory seat ie in the top 100 safest Tory seats and always had a Tory MP since 1945.
Indeed Labour won Uxbridge from 1945-1955 under Attlee and Labour also won Uxbridge in 1966 under Wilson.
In 1997 the Tories only narrowly held on and New Labour targeted it hard in the subsequent by election that summer but the Tories held on
You simply cannot bring yourself to condemn Johnson can you, but merely prattle out excuses for the inexcusable
The Tories were polling higher under Johnson last summer than now
You have just made my case
The polling today is a direct result of toxic Johnson and Truss even with the reminder of Pincher today
Johnson and his disciples have 'ratnered' the party and it will take a very long time to recover and it certainly will not recover under the ERG and right wingers like yourself, who seem to be in thrall with the likes of Farage and Trump
Truss maybe and her disastrous budget leading to surging interest rates hitting mortgage holders.
If Johnson was still in place that budget would never have occurred. It did far more damage to the Tory poll rating than partygate ever did
You will not utter the words, almost as if is blasphemous to criticise your 'exalted Johnson' who by the way created Truss leadership due to his spectacular fall into disgrace
Not only that, but it was quite obvious to the members that Truss was the Johnsonite candidate.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Well how else will they get an instant network effort.
I guess its back to Mastadon for everybody ;-)
Hopefully give Musk some incentive to stop pushing his shite on users and restoring some functions to Twitter.
Completely O/T but I’m watching flying ants erupt from their nest for the first time I’ve ever watched up close. Seen the flying ant clouds in the air before but never watched them actually come to the surface and go crazy. All the non flying ants are running everywhere on speed . Quite a wonderful thing to see in a strange way - like watching a Timelapse of Glastonbury with thousands of people running around going nuts in the sun and the grass.
Unfortunately, the males can't eat (no jaws), so they just shag the queens and then die
I could be wrong but I value HYUFD's posts as telling me what Torys really think, and I value Malcomg's posts as telling me what those Scots who want to leave the union really think.
Completely O/T but I’m watching flying ants erupt from their nest for the first time I’ve ever watched up close. Seen the flying ant clouds in the air before but never watched them actually come to the surface and go crazy. All the non flying ants are running everywhere on speed . Quite a wonderful thing to see in a strange way - like watching a Timelapse of Glastonbury with thousands of people running around going nuts in the sun and the grass.
Unfortunately, the males can't eat (no jaws), so they just shag the queens and then die
Ah the simple life.
"Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" as Kate Moss once famously said.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Well how else will they get an instant network effort.
I guess its back to Mastadon for everybody ;-)
Hopefully give Musk some incentive to stop pushing his shite on users and restoring some functions to Twitter.
The latest move was very odd. My understanding was they had got back a far amount of the advertisers in recent months.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Have you ever heard of something called multi accounting?
Try joining Threads and see what happens (if you already have an Instagram account)
I suppose you could make up a fake insta account but even then I bet Threads would find your real account and sniff you out. It’s deeply sinister
Didn't that happen recently where they were clearly collecting info on which accounts checked out other accounts i.e. ex's doing a bit of cyber-stalking, and then sent out a load of "this person likes looking at your profile, how about becoming friends on every Meta platform".
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
Have you ever heard of something called multi accounting?
Try joining Threads and see what happens (if you already have an Instagram account)
Not tempted by twitter or insta so why would I bother with its joint offspring?
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
Basically it’s very hard to replicate/replace Twitter. This won’t do it. But it will attract some, and fragment the social media landscape further. A shame
You misuse the word "fragment". But some of us would like to see the social media landscape blown into smithereens on its way to disappearance. And salt poured on its ashes. But you want it all run for 1000 years from a single office, right?
That Musk and his backers have caused a rift in social media world is the single positive thing that can be said about this effort.
Starmer just written the Tories next leaflet in the Uxbridge by election for them.
'Sir Keir Starmer has refused to take a side in a by-election dispute over whether to expand London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
Under plans from Labour mayor Sadiq Khan, the clean-air zone is set to become three times bigger from 29 August.
But Labour's candidate in this month's Uxbridge by-election, Danny Beales, wants the expansion halted.
In a BBC interview, the Labour leader declined to say which view he backed.
He added that Mr Khan was trying to fulfil his legal obligations to reduce emissions, whilst Mr Beales was trying to fight for his future constituents.
"Both of those things have to be accommodated," he added.
The Labour leader has previously said that Mr Khan was "right" to expand the zone, arguing last month it was part of the fight to curb lung cancer.'
See the Cambridge local by election this week where Labour even lost a seat they held to the Tories over the Labour council's unpopular congestion charge
I thought it was a safe Tory seat? What happened, was the incumbant MP a bit naughty?
No it was always a Labour or LD council seat, never been Tory until this week
Uxbridge......
On current polls Labour should win Uxbridge. Opposition to ULEZ expansion and the high Hindu vote there however could mean a shock Tory hold. That would give Rishi a rather better summer holiday break than Sir Keir I would expect (albeit I think Labour could get very close in Selby)
Putting by elections on one side, here is a bit of betting post anecdata, bearing in mind that Labour on some polls are going to wipe out the Tories (23 point lead today etc).
I am part of a basically one nation Tory family. All my immediate family generally vote Tory; we are centrist right moderate liberals; I haven't voted otherwise in a GE since the 1970s. I firmly supported Major in 1997, and it never crossed my mind really to buy into Blair's project
Of the 6 in my immediate family not one intends at the moment to vote Tory. I think on the day not more than one will do so. The turning point for me was Patersongate, and since then it has got much worse.
It's a small sample, but it is backed by the polls. I no longer think a Tory wipeout is impossible.
Did they all vote Tory in 1997 when the Tories held Uxbridge? Or 1966 when Labour won Uxbridge?
Do they live in London where ULEZ is deeply unpopular? Are they Hindu with whom Rishi is particularly popular?
You spectacularly miss the point
@algarkirk makes an honest point and you prevaricate
I can align with his comments, as my family vote conservative but of the 9 who do only 1 is likely, and at present I may vote labour to get Robin Miller out, as he is one of the 25 who want to stop carers coming into our country
You also voted for Blair twice.
You are Tory leaning swing voter, not a true Tory core voter.
To be that you would have to vote Tory at every general election, win or lose
Sadly you are the worst advert for the conservative party I know, and your constant insults to conservative supporters is shameful and frankly quite disturbing
If you were a real true Tory you would have voted for Major in 1997, Hague in 2001 and would now still vote for Rishi next year. Sorry but that is just the truth
I am not a tribal devotee, and if you are an example of the modern conservative party then I want nothing to do with it
Actualy I am quite proud of the fact I do not fit in with 'your definition' of a true Tory
The reality is the majority of people are like you, rather than HYUFD. They have certain beliefs and overwhelmingly will vote for the party that naturally aligns with that, but on occasion the local or national offering is so bad / mad / corrupt that they say no not this time.
Agreed. Only somebody totally devoid of principles votes for a party unconditionally. Most of us have our own "red lines". HYUFD doesn't and actually seems proud of the fact.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
I could be wrong but I value HYUFD's posts as telling me what Torys really think, and I value Malcomg's posts as telling me what those Scots who want to leave the union really think.
I could be wrong.
IF HYUFD was really a window into the soul of the Tory membership he would not have been a remainer in 2016. He simply slavishly parrots whatever the current leadership line is. BigG at least gives his politics some genuine thought.
Apparently somebody at Headingley knows the people who run the videos on the big screen and if during the next 4 days they show footage of the Aussie ball tampering in 2018 and Steve Smith crying then it was Andy from Wakefield's idea.
Apparently somebody at Headingley knows the people who run the videos on the big screen and if during the next 4 days they show footage of the Aussie ball tampering in 2018 and Steve Smith crying then it was Andy from Wakefield's idea.
Starmer just written the Tories next leaflet in the Uxbridge by election for them.
'Sir Keir Starmer has refused to take a side in a by-election dispute over whether to expand London's Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
Under plans from Labour mayor Sadiq Khan, the clean-air zone is set to become three times bigger from 29 August.
But Labour's candidate in this month's Uxbridge by-election, Danny Beales, wants the expansion halted.
In a BBC interview, the Labour leader declined to say which view he backed.
He added that Mr Khan was trying to fulfil his legal obligations to reduce emissions, whilst Mr Beales was trying to fight for his future constituents.
"Both of those things have to be accommodated," he added.
The Labour leader has previously said that Mr Khan was "right" to expand the zone, arguing last month it was part of the fight to curb lung cancer.'
See the Cambridge local by election this week where Labour even lost a seat they held to the Tories over the Labour council's unpopular congestion charge
I thought it was a safe Tory seat? What happened, was the incumbant MP a bit naughty?
No it was always a Labour or LD council seat, never been Tory until this week
Uxbridge......
On current polls Labour should win Uxbridge. Opposition to ULEZ expansion and the high Hindu vote there however could mean a shock Tory hold. That would give Rishi a rather better summer holiday break than Sir Keir I would expect (albeit I think Labour could get very close in Selby)
Putting by elections on one side, here is a bit of betting post anecdata, bearing in mind that Labour on some polls are going to wipe out the Tories (23 point lead today etc).
I am part of a basically one nation Tory family. All my immediate family generally vote Tory; we are centrist right moderate liberals; I haven't voted otherwise in a GE since the 1970s. I firmly supported Major in 1997, and it never crossed my mind really to buy into Blair's project
Of the 6 in my immediate family not one intends at the moment to vote Tory. I think on the day not more than one will do so. The turning point for me was Patersongate, and since then it has got much worse.
It's a small sample, but it is backed by the polls. I no longer think a Tory wipeout is impossible.
Did they all vote Tory in 1997 when the Tories held Uxbridge? Or 1966 when Labour won Uxbridge?
Do they live in London where ULEZ is deeply unpopular? Are they Hindu with whom Rishi is particularly popular?
You spectacularly miss the point
@algarkirk makes an honest point and you prevaricate
I can align with his comments, as my family vote conservative but of the 9 who do only 1 is likely, and at present I may vote labour to get Robin Miller out, as he is one of the 25 who want to stop carers coming into our country
You also voted for Blair twice.
You are Tory leaning swing voter, not a true Tory core voter.
To be that you would have to vote Tory at every general election, win or lose
Sadly you are the worst advert for the conservative party I know, and your constant insults to conservative supporters is shameful and frankly quite disturbing
If you were a real true Tory you would have voted for Major in 1997, Hague in 2001 and would now still vote for Rishi next year. Sorry but that is just the truth
Then you're into "donkey with a blue rosette" territory. Not a coherent vision, just a team that isn't Labour.
And that, combined with the Only One True Tory tribalism, is why the Conservatives are headed for one of those videos TSR goes on about.
Apparently somebody at Headingley knows the people who run the videos on the big screen and if during the next 4 days they show footage of the Aussie ball tampering in 2018 and Steve Smith crying then it was Andy from Wakefield's idea.
How was Smith? At Lord’s he looked absolutely rattled. I hope you gave him a proper barracking. Coz it works
Apparently somebody at Headingley knows the people who run the videos on the big screen and if during the next 4 days they show footage of the Aussie ball tampering in 2018 and Steve Smith crying then it was Andy from Wakefield's idea.
How was Smith? At Lord’s he looked absolutely rattled. I hope you gave him a proper barracking. Coz it works
I called him a cheat, I've got some sandpaper for him to sign if I run into him.
I suppose you could make up a fake insta account but even then I bet Threads would find your real account and sniff you out. It’s deeply sinister
I opened one, and it instantly wanted to connect me to a whole bunch of work colleagues etc, even when using a non work email (the one I use here). No thanks.
I deleted it and Insta forthwith.
I find Lists on twitter still quite useful. It is their regular "for you" force feed that is total shite, full of the sort of fake videos that gullible rightwingers fall for.
Apparently somebody at Headingley knows the people who run the videos on the big screen and if during the next 4 days they show footage of the Aussie ball tampering in 2018 and Steve Smith crying then it was Andy from Wakefield's idea.
How was Smith? At Lord’s he looked absolutely rattled. I hope you gave him a proper barracking. Coz it works
I called him a cheat, I've got some sandpaper for him to sign if I run into him.
I suppose you could make up a fake insta account but even then I bet Threads would find your real account and sniff you out. It’s deeply sinister
I opened one, and it instantly wanted to connect me to a whole bunch of work colleagues etc, even when using a non work email (the one I use here). No thanks.
I deleted it and Insta forthwith.
I find Lists on twitter still quite useful. It is their regular "for you" force feed that is total shite, full of the sort of fake videos that gullible rightwingers fall for.
And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
It's not Dorsey's fault, he doesn't seem to be involved in the operations of Bluesky at all. The CEO seems to have basically maneuvered him out (although he still has a seat on the board) and when he showed up to post there everyone took the piss out of him and he went back to Nostr.
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
I could be wrong but I value HYUFD's posts as telling me what Torys really think, and I value Malcomg's posts as telling me what those Scots who want to leave the union really think.
I could be wrong.
Nah, they are both fictional comedic caricatures, like Harry Enfield's Tory Boy and Gregor Fisher's Rab C. Nesbitt.
Again, I'm forced to disagree fundamentally with OGH on this.
The polls tell a very different story - the current Deltapoll has 21% of the 2019 Conservative vote going Labour, Redfield & Wilton has 17% going Labour. These aren't small numbers given 45% voted Conservative in 2019 - 20% of that represents 9% of the total electorate so that's a 9% swing straight away.
Look through the demographics and the story is the same - among those aged 55-64 for example, the Conservatives won 49-27 in 2019 - Deltapoll has Labour winning that group 38-27, a swing of 16.5%.
All across the polls, the swings are consistent and huge - will there be a "swingback" to the Government as the election approaches? Perhaps - what might also save the Conservatives is the sheer size of the majorities they built up last time. Just under half the Conservative Parliamentary Party have majorities requiring swings in excess of 15%.
There are a core of Conservative Don't Knows but the assumption both they and Reform supporters will run back to the Conservatives at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder is unproven at best.
We also remember the notional UNS of 10% disguised a multitude of swings up to 19% in some seats. Tactical voting was a thing in the May local elections and was a thing in 1997 and 2001 and could very well be a thing again in 2024 accentuating Conservative losses.
Labour does have a mountain to climb - thanks to Johnson, Truss and Sunak they have got much further much faster than anyone could have imagined but the next election remains a year or more away and a lot can happen.
However, I've no doubt were the current polling to be accurately reflected at the next GE, Labour would win a landslide majority and remove at least half the Conservative MPs.
Apparently somebody at Headingley knows the people who run the videos on the big screen and if during the next 4 days they show footage of the Aussie ball tampering in 2018 and Steve Smith crying then it was Andy from Wakefield's idea.
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
It's the day of launch, dude.
So it IS quite hard to reproduce then. Otherwise, dude, they’d have nailed it on day one. It’s not like they lack the money
I believe I just saw Biden in Marine One fly right over Parkway
Yeah - big helicopter day.
He’s not officially meant to be here til the 9th. Maybe it’s a private visit
I think he’s over getting in touch with his English ancestry, a few pints of bitter in a pub talking about how his family came from England and how naff it would be if he still considered himself English after a few generations.
Then he’s announcing Hunter as next US ambassador to the Court of St James.
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
Fuck off is it fair. She was speeding not once but twice.....public transport is unsafe for her but not the many toilet cleaners who would have been banned the first time.....fuck off she should be banned
I believe I just saw Biden in Marine One fly right over Parkway
Yeah - big helicopter day.
He’s not officially meant to be here til the 9th. Maybe it’s a private visit
I think he’s over getting in touch with his English ancestry, a few pints of bitter in a pub talking about how his family came from England and how naff it would be if he still considered himself English after a few generations.
Then he’s announcing Hunter as next US ambassador to the Court of St James.
I think I've mentioned on this board that some of his ancestors used to run the local pub here in West Sussex and a couple of his ancestors are buried in the local Church. It would be nice if he acknowledged this.
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
It's the day of launch, dude.
So it IS quite hard to reproduce then. Otherwise, dude, they’d have nailed it on day one. It’s not like they lack the money
No, it isn't hard for them to get what they've got so far. You complaints appear to be about the business model and linking with Insta. That's different from the techie side.
As it happens, I'd quite like to try Threads, but I don't have an Insta account and cannot be bothered getting one. So it's a no from me atm.
Fuck off is it fair. She was speeding not once but twice.....public transport is unsafe for her but not the many toilet cleaners who would have been banned the first time.....fuck off she should be banned
You seem angry.
You need some treatment on the NHS for your anger issues.
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
It's the day of launch, dude.
So it IS quite hard to reproduce then. Otherwise, dude, they’d have nailed it on day one. It’s not like they lack the money
No, it isn't hard for them to get what they've got so far. You complaints appear to be about the business model and linking with Insta. That's different from the techie side.
As it happens, I'd quite like to try Threads, but I don't have an Insta account and cannot be bothered getting one. So it's a no from me atm.
lol. And that sounds, to me, like a huge fundamental error from the get-go. They've fucked it up
Fuck off is it fair. She was speeding not once but twice.....public transport is unsafe for her but not the many toilet cleaners who would have been banned the first time.....fuck off she should be banned
You seem angry.
You need some treatment on the NHS for your anger issues.
You know what the lead time is for NHS psychiatric services is?
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
It's the day of launch, dude.
So it IS quite hard to reproduce then. Otherwise, dude, they’d have nailed it on day one. It’s not like they lack the money
No, it isn't hard for them to get what they've got so far. You complaints appear to be about the business model and linking with Insta. That's different from the techie side.
As it happens, I'd quite like to try Threads, but I don't have an Insta account and cannot be bothered getting one. So it's a no from me atm.
lol. And that sounds, to me, like a huge fundamental error from the get-go. They've fucked it up
LOL. And that's something they can change *very* quickly if they see it as being a problem with take up. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they do do away with it later on - in the same way you don't need a FB account to go on Insta, or vice versa.
Anyway, the Guardian (hardly friends of Meta) aren't as negative as you about it:
" However, with Twitter getting clunkier and progressively less usable since Musk took it over, opening an app and actually being able to see and engage with content smoothly felt like a breath of fresh air."
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
However the court case between Zuck and those two weird twins/brothers does suggest there is a place where, if you get close enough, you will encounter legal problems
Anyway, The Muskotron is apparently suing the Zuckerbot, so cyberpopcorn it is
"Here’s a little known Eurostar fact for you all, we’re required to provide space for the national authorities to move someone under arrest on our services, thus each of our trains has a private space with these points to attach handcuffs"
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
It's been in the works for quite a while afaik (according to some ex-FB'ers I know). Whether it gets traction just by 'virtue' of the gravity well of instagram users - hard to say. But just needs to cut away X% of twitters revenue to do them further harm ontop of the self-inflicted wounds.
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
However the court case between Zuck and those two weird twins/brothers does suggest there is a place where, if you get close enough, you will encounter legal problems
Anyway, The Muskotron is apparently suing the Zuckerbot, so cyberpopcorn it is
Apple sued ms for ripping off the GUI, and lost.
Which is fair enough, because gates only stole from jobs what jobs stole from xerox.
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
It's the day of launch, dude.
So it IS quite hard to reproduce then. Otherwise, dude, they’d have nailed it on day one. It’s not like they lack the money
No, it isn't hard for them to get what they've got so far. You complaints appear to be about the business model and linking with Insta. That's different from the techie side.
As it happens, I'd quite like to try Threads, but I don't have an Insta account and cannot be bothered getting one. So it's a no from me atm.
lol. And that sounds, to me, like a huge fundamental error from the get-go. They've fucked it up
LOL. And that's something they can change *very* quickly if they see it as being a problem with take up. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they do do away with it later on - in the same way you don't need a FB account to go on Insta, or vice versa.
Anyway, the Guardian (hardly friends of Meta) aren't as negative as you about it:
" However, with Twitter getting clunkier and progressively less usable since Musk took it over, opening an app and actually being able to see and engage with content smoothly felt like a breath of fresh air."
No, it's not. If you actually try to join Threads (you haven't, have you?) you will see it is intrinsically bound up with Insta. In a foundational way. It's a shared DNA. Zuck is trying to create something called the "Fediverse", where everyone uses all his social media and interchanges followers
I mean, UGH
If you do join Threads using your insta account (which is the only way to join it) then if you try to delete Threads it forces you to delete Insta as well, losing your account there. It's a trap
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
It's the day of launch, dude.
So it IS quite hard to reproduce then. Otherwise, dude, they’d have nailed it on day one. It’s not like they lack the money
No, it isn't hard for them to get what they've got so far. You complaints appear to be about the business model and linking with Insta. That's different from the techie side.
As it happens, I'd quite like to try Threads, but I don't have an Insta account and cannot be bothered getting one. So it's a no from me atm.
lol. And that sounds, to me, like a huge fundamental error from the get-go. They've fucked it up
LOL. And that's something they can change *very* quickly if they see it as being a problem with take up. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they do do away with it later on - in the same way you don't need a FB account to go on Insta, or vice versa.
Anyway, the Guardian (hardly friends of Meta) aren't as negative as you about it:
" However, with Twitter getting clunkier and progressively less usable since Musk took it over, opening an app and actually being able to see and engage with content smoothly felt like a breath of fresh air."
No, it's not. If you actually try to join Threads (you haven't, have you?) you will see it is intrinsically bound up with Insta. In a foundational way. It's a shared DNA. Zuck is trying to create something called the "Fediverse", where everyone uses all his social media and interchanges followers
I mean, UGH
If you do join Threads using your insta account (which is the only way to join it) then if you try to delete Threads it forces you to delete Insta as well, losing your account there. It's a trap
The whole thing is Grade A shyte
Because its physically impossible to create a second Insta/Threads account.
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
Can we go back to Usenet? Preferably before the masses arrived.
Flame wars haven't been the same since some idiot tried to write an operating system and pretend it was a text editor called Emacs.
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
It's been in the works for quite a while afaik (according to some ex-FB'ers I know). Whether it gets traction just by 'virtue' of the gravity well of instagram users - hard to say. But just needs to cut away X% of twitters revenue to do them further harm ontop of the self-inflicted wounds.
Yes, I concur. It's shit enough that it won't remotely replace Twitter, but Meta is rich enough, and with Insta it has enough users, that it can do real damage to Twitter - stealing some twitterers - and also advertising
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
Can we go back to Usenet? Preferably before the masses arrived.
Flame wars haven't been the same since some idiot tried to write an operating system and pretend it was a text editor called Emacs.
I have a gazillion unused accounts. Why would I bother to delete them?
Coz if you decide you don't like Threads on your phone and it is scraping your data, you might want to delete it. But what if you have an insta account you really do like, at the same time?
You are forced to keep both, it seems - or delete both. I'm not even sure you could create a burner Insta account just to get a Threads account. It seems to detect immediately if you have an insta account you are already using. Or it did for me
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
Can we go back to Usenet? Preferably before the masses arrived.
Flame wars haven't been the same since some idiot tried to write an operating system and pretend it was a text editor called Emacs.
I still remember the mournful day when the number of search results for 'porn' outnumbered the number of results for 'star trek' on AltaVista.
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
If it’s “not that difficult to reproduce” why have Facebook made such a total hash of the job? Threads is dreadful
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
It's the day of launch, dude.
So it IS quite hard to reproduce then. Otherwise, dude, they’d have nailed it on day one. It’s not like they lack the money
No, it isn't hard for them to get what they've got so far. You complaints appear to be about the business model and linking with Insta. That's different from the techie side.
As it happens, I'd quite like to try Threads, but I don't have an Insta account and cannot be bothered getting one. So it's a no from me atm.
lol. And that sounds, to me, like a huge fundamental error from the get-go. They've fucked it up
LOL. And that's something they can change *very* quickly if they see it as being a problem with take up. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they do do away with it later on - in the same way you don't need a FB account to go on Insta, or vice versa.
Anyway, the Guardian (hardly friends of Meta) aren't as negative as you about it:
" However, with Twitter getting clunkier and progressively less usable since Musk took it over, opening an app and actually being able to see and engage with content smoothly felt like a breath of fresh air."
No, it's not. If you actually try to join Threads (you haven't, have you?) you will see it is intrinsically bound up with Insta. In a foundational way. It's a shared DNA. Zuck is trying to create something called the "Fediverse", where everyone uses all his social media and interchanges followers
I mean, UGH
If you do join Threads using your insta account (which is the only way to join it) then if you try to delete Threads it forces you to delete Insta as well, losing your account there. It's a trap
The whole thing is Grade A shyte
Because its physically impossible to create a second Insta/Threads account.
Is it? I genuinely never knew that
I loathe Facebook and find Insta deadly boring, so I know little about their workings
Threads is shite. It essentially obliges you to migrate your Instagram account and followers to Threads. My insta account is close family and a few friends with no interest in my political views and foul mouthed memes etc. And vice versa. I don’t want to mix them. FAIL
And they've ripped off the name of your favourite movie.
The first iteration of Threads is bizarrely bad. So many things wrong with it
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
It's been in the works for quite a while afaik (according to some ex-FB'ers I know). Whether it gets traction just by 'virtue' of the gravity well of instagram users - hard to say. But just needs to cut away X% of twitters revenue to do them further harm ontop of the self-inflicted wounds.
Yes, I concur. It's shit enough that it won't remotely replace Twitter, but Meta is rich enough, and with Insta it has enough users, that it can do real damage to Twitter - stealing some twitterers - and also advertising
The latter's key. Musk is doing everything he can to deter advertisers on Twitter, and FB *loves* advertisers. Or at least, their money.
It's almost as though Musk didn't realise how Twitter made 90% of its money...
I presume one problem for Threads - or any Twitter rival - is that they can only get so close to the original model before Musk sues them to Perdition for intellectual property theft?
All social media is basically a rip off of one another. Instanta and YouTube have ripped off TikTok with their Space and Shorts feature, that ripped off Vine, now TikTok is ripping off YouTube....Zoom is a rip off of Skype.
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
Can we go back to Usenet? Preferably before the masses arrived.
Flame wars haven't been the same since some idiot tried to write an operating system and pretend it was a text editor called Emacs.
Or in the immortal words of Green Day, wake me up September ends.
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Actualy I am quite proud of the fact I do not fit in with 'your definition' of a true Tory
If Johnson had kept himself to himself, not attended lockdown parties because rules don't apply to him, hadn't conspired to let Owen Patterson off the hook and protect the loathesome groper there would have been no need for a Truss budget.
Your Sir Boris Innocent was the architect of the Conservative decline.
I guess its back to Mastadon for everybody ;-)
The name ULEZ to me implies electric-only or equivalent. That my 13-year old petrol vehicle would be ULEZ-compliant if I lived in London certainly isn't what I'd imagine from all the fuss on either side.
Basically it’s very hard to replicate/replace Twitter. This won’t do it. But it will attract some, and fragment the social media landscape further. A shame
I thought this was funny
“People are realizing Threads is just a censorship platform and trying to delete their accounts
But they can’t
Zuck tethered it to your Instagram so if you delete one, both get deleted
Everyone signing up must stay
Like a digital Berlin Wall”
https://twitter.com/dc_draino/status/1677014792177868817?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
How to annoy everyone immediately
I could be wrong.
Lost my voice booing Cummins and Carey.
That Musk and his backers have caused a rift in social media world is the single positive thing that can be said about this effort.
Poor Leon knows as much about cricket as he does about epidemiology.
I actually laughed out loud at his comment that last Sunday Ben Stokes scored the best test century ever in England.
Mate, it wasn't even his best century in England.
I actually was there for the best one when he scored 135* at Headingley in 2019 when we won the test.
He swears by it.
Nine sixes. Never equalled. And you are so easy to troll
I get the sense Meta have designed it literally in the last few weeks as they’ve seen Twitter struggle. They’ve bodged it together and stuck it out there hoping it might work somehow. And getting in early before Dorsey’s Bluesky (over which he is taking a painful amount of time, by all accounts - the opposite of Zuckerberg)
In other words they’ve flung some random shit at the wall in the hope it will stick. Prediction: it mostly won’t stick
And that, combined with the Only One True Tory tribalism, is why the Conservatives are headed for one of those videos TSR goes on about.
I deleted it and Insta forthwith.
I find Lists on twitter still quite useful. It is their regular "for you" force feed that is total shite, full of the sort of fake videos that gullible rightwingers fall for.
"Twitter refuses to pay for arbitration it forced on 891 ex-employees, suit says"
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/twitter-refuses-to-pay-for-arbitration-it-forced-on-891-ex-employees-suit-says/
I will, however, be interested to see Bluesky
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1677025203291840514?t=vOm_yRlYPuCTXyT6zjOlFQ&s=19
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-new-zealand-1994-95-61927/new-zealand-vs-west-indies-2nd-test-63676/full-scorecard
I believe I just saw Biden in Marine One fly right over Parkway
In a letter to CEO Mark Zuckerberg, a lawyer for the Elon Musk-owned app reportedly said Meta had unlawfully misappropriated trade secrets
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/06/twitter-meta-lawsuit-threads-app-musk-zuckerberg.
"I sacked a load of employees, and you hired some of them. Wah wah wah."
Twitter - especially the cut-down version Threads apparently is at the moment - is not exactly difficult for a company the size of Meta to reproduce. The really hard bits - scalability, i18n/l10n, data centers etc - will already be in places with FB, Insta and the others.
I can imagine that Musky baby thinks it's incredibly difficult, as he's a cr@p at software...
Again, I'm forced to disagree fundamentally with OGH on this.
The polls tell a very different story - the current Deltapoll has 21% of the 2019 Conservative vote going Labour, Redfield & Wilton has 17% going Labour. These aren't small numbers given 45% voted Conservative in 2019 - 20% of that represents 9% of the total electorate so that's a 9% swing straight away.
Look through the demographics and the story is the same - among those aged 55-64 for example, the Conservatives won 49-27 in 2019 - Deltapoll has Labour winning that group 38-27, a swing of 16.5%.
All across the polls, the swings are consistent and huge - will there be a "swingback" to the Government as the election approaches? Perhaps - what might also save the Conservatives is the sheer size of the majorities they built up last time. Just under half the Conservative Parliamentary Party have majorities requiring swings in excess of 15%.
There are a core of Conservative Don't Knows but the assumption both they and Reform supporters will run back to the Conservatives at the first whiff of electoral gunpowder is unproven at best.
We also remember the notional UNS of 10% disguised a multitude of swings up to 19% in some seats. Tactical voting was a thing in the May local elections and was a thing in 1997 and 2001 and could very well be a thing again in 2024 accentuating Conservative losses.
Labour does have a mountain to climb - thanks to Johnson, Truss and Sunak they have got much further much faster than anyone could have imagined but the next election remains a year or more away and a lot can happen.
However, I've no doubt were the current polling to be accurately reflected at the next GE, Labour would win a landslide majority and remove at least half the Conservative MPs.
All it will do is cannibalise users on insta. The functionality just isn’t there for people who like Twitter
Then he’s announcing Hunter as next US ambassador to the Court of St James.
As it happens, I'd quite like to try Threads, but I don't have an Insta account and cannot be bothered getting one. So it's a no from me atm.
You need some treatment on the NHS for your anger issues.
puts him in da white ouse
Its a great joke in Silicon Valley TV show where a character goes back to China, where he just makes a Chinese version of every Western social media product after he learned that all Silicon Valley is just ripping off each other.
Anyway, the Guardian (hardly friends of Meta) aren't as negative as you about it:
" However, with Twitter getting clunkier and progressively less usable since Musk took it over, opening an app and actually being able to see and engage with content smoothly felt like a breath of fresh air."
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jul/06/we-tried-threads-metas-new-twitter-rival-heres-what-happened
Anyway, The Muskotron is apparently suing the Zuckerbot, so cyberpopcorn it is
"Here’s a little known Eurostar fact for you all, we’re required to provide space for the national authorities to move someone under arrest on our services, thus each of our trains has a private space with these points to attach handcuffs"
https://twitter.com/TMBlakeEurostar/status/1676973181297410049
Or to spell it in the right order, CDO.
Which is fair enough, because gates only stole from jobs what jobs stole from xerox.
I mean, UGH
If you do join Threads using your insta account (which is the only way to join it) then if you try to delete Threads it forces you to delete Insta as well, losing your account there. It's a trap
The whole thing is Grade A shyte
Flame wars haven't been the same since some idiot tried to write an operating system and pretend it was a text editor called Emacs.
You are forced to keep both, it seems - or delete both. I'm not even sure you could create a burner Insta account just to get a Threads account. It seems to detect immediately if you have an insta account you are already using. Or it did for me
A sad moment in human history.
I loathe Facebook and find Insta deadly boring, so I know little about their workings
It's almost as though Musk didn't realise how Twitter made 90% of its money...
Today being September 10901, 1993.