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  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for the same reasons.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for similar reasons.
    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for the same reasons.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for similar reasons.
    And for class reasons. Cricket is for poshos who have time to spare for a game which lasts for days, baseball for those who have to clock on on Monday morning.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,580
    Miklosvar said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
    Documentation from the lab; samples that clearly link work in the lab to the outbreak; first-hand testimony from workers, etc, etc.

    And yes, like the F&M outbreak we had in 2007, there might be a 'smoking gun' for how it got released, such as broken effluent pipes.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    Freedom! We've escaped from the evil CandyMountain
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Please put it back. The new "wtf" button does not make sense. It makes it difficult to react to a post and makes interacting with a post unpleasant. If a poster announces a death in the family or another unpleasant life life event, as many do these days, I now no longer have a way to courteously react. Please stop this WTF, it is a silly change that makes the site unpleasant.
    You thought it was courteous to 'like' a post showing a death in the family?

    That seems a bit odd.

    I usually liked the first one saying 'condolences.' It said what I wanted to and saved multiple replies.
    WTF would seem an inadequate substitute there, too.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790
    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    SMH :(
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Please put it back. The new "wtf" button does not make sense. It makes it difficult to react to a post and makes interacting with a post unpleasant. If a poster announces a death in the family or another unpleasant life life event, as many do these days, I now no longer have a way to courteously react. Please stop this WTF, it is a silly change that makes the site unpleasant.
    this
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Please put it back. The new "wtf" button does not make sense. It makes it difficult to react to a post and makes interacting with a post unpleasant. If a poster announces a death in the family or another unpleasant life life event, as many do these days, I now no longer have a way to courteously react. Please stop this WTF, it is a silly change that makes the site unpleasant.
    You thought it was courteous to 'like' a post showing a death in the family?

    That seems a bit odd.

    I usually liked the first one saying 'condolences.' It said what I wanted to and saved multiple replies.
    I always took a like against that post to mean condolences - as I said before the like button is multi faceted transforming into the polite response to the post be it interesting, I laughed, good point or even condolences...

    A WTF button does none of those things - it's only use is against posts that make little sense...
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,412
    edited June 2023

    Can I just say that I like the Like button. And emojis.

    +1 (RIP Like)

    I liked the Like button. Unlike many on this site, I often don't have much time to spend on PB, but still like to have a quick skim through and show my appreciation for posts that I consider interesting, insightful or funny. I probably won't visit so frequently now.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    A sad day in the annals of taking Leon seriously.
    +1
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,580
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Please put it back. The new "wtf" button does not make sense. It makes it difficult to react to a post and makes interacting with a post unpleasant. If a poster announces a death in the family or another unpleasant life life event, as many do these days, I now no longer have a way to courteously react. Please stop this WTF, it is a silly change that makes the site unpleasant.
    You thought it was courteous to 'like' a post showing a death in the family?

    That seems a bit odd.

    I usually liked the first one saying 'condolences.' It said what I wanted to and saved multiple replies.
    I always took a like against that post to mean condolences - as I said before the like button is multi faceted transforming into the polite response to the post be it interesting, I laughed, good point or even condolences...

    A WTF button does none of those things - it's only use is against posts that make little sense...
    That's how I see a 'like' against that sort of post as well. Though I generally try to like the condolences message as well.

    Incidentally, if the 'like' button goes, the forum will just have a load of +1 messages and their ilk. Sometimes you want to agree with a post without having to spam the forum with "Good point!" or "I agree".
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    WTF am I meant to use the WTF Button for?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited June 2023

    Morning everyone.

    The US Senator Marco Rubio says that David Grusch is not the only one that has testified that the U.S. is in possesion of non-human technology.

    https://twitter.com/StandForBetter/status/1673515200107151360

    So? I'll testify that you and Leon are idiots who habitually wear tinfoil hats. Are we correct? ;)
    That depends if you're a government official who's already provided evidence of that with photos, which is what Rubio says.

    The hearings are scheduled for July, so we should find out soon enough, one way or the other, I expect.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    If removing the 'like' button was designed to stop us discussing it, it doesn't seem to have worked.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    Can I just say that I like the Like button. And emojis.

    I felt there was potential for confusion between 'off topic' and 'flag'. Why don't we just have 👍 and 👎?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    eristdoof said:

    WTF am I meant to use the WTF Button for?

    Posts by Hyufd on the NHS?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,835
    edited June 2023
    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    For public safety. Didn't you see the reports of crowd disorder at the last Eton and Harrow match?

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/may/12/eton-v-harrow-father-time-draws-near-for-annual-schoolboy-lords-jolly
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Miklosvar said:

    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for the same reasons.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for similar reasons.
    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for the same reasons.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for similar reasons.
    And for class reasons. Cricket is for poshos who have time to spare for a game which lasts for days, baseball for those who have to clock on on Monday morning.
    Although Baseball can go on indefinitely and if you are unlucky you have to come back at Monday lunchtime to finish off the game.
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,421
    edited June 2023
    I never take the like or off topic buttons seriously. If I've ever clicked them, it's been by accident due to fat fingers on my phone. Now the WTF button? That's something I can get behind. I know it won't be kept as some people will take offence and we really can't have that these days, but nice while it lasts.
    👍😁😁😁😁
    +1
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,817
    What we seem to be seeing is that healthcare is slowly being privatised because the NHS simply does not provide an acceptable service despite all the money that is spent on it. Dentistry was always a weak area but private dentistry care has become a standard cost. Many people are no longer willing to wait, in pain, for the NHS to deal with knee and hip replacements, and accept the cost of private care as Mike has.

    There are several causes of this in my opinion. Firstly, demand exceeds supply as the population ages. Secondly, the supply is being inhibited by poor NHS productivity, something that seems increasingly marked since Covid. Thirdly, those that have ailments such as needing a new knee tend to be at a stage of life where such expenditure is affordable. It seems likely that the range of ailments treated this way will increase with a particular focus on old age ailments. Fourthly, many employers and insurers find it economically attractive to fund more prompt treatment of their workforce so that they can get back to work.

    We are almost certainly moving to a two tier health service for many. Those with private health care, particularly through work, or because they can afford it, will be indifferent to the quality of service provided by the NHS. In 1997 Labour inherited an economy growing strongly with additional resources to burn. This will not be the case this time. I very much doubt that the incoming government will be able to change these broad trends.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    Morning everyone.

    The US Senator Marco Rubio says that David Grusch is not the only one who has testified that the U.S. is in possesion of non-human technology.

    https://twitter.com/StandForBetter/status/1673515200107151360

    Non human technology does not necessarily mean either alien or advanced.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/crows-enjoy-tools-researchers-find/story?id=64739159
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    kjh said:

    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Wagner will be on their way to see you shortly. Hyfud is servicing the tanks as we speak.
    I wanted to like @malcolmg post and I can't. Having a nervous breakdown.
    +2
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer. Nor should private schools have to apologise for producing a disproportionate level of top professional cricketers.

    That’s not really the problem is it. The fact is that State schools just largely do not have the land to have the pitches you need. Think of it this way, at my old place cricket was very popular. We had the luxury of 9 full size cricket pitches to use for a school of around 600 boys. Each pitch needed at least two if not three good quality strips to avoid wear out.

    Now cricket pitches take up a hell of a lot more space than football pitches and they need a hell of a lot more care and management. On top of that you need indoor facilities for nets.

    Add to the above that you need cricket coaches - it’s a lot easier for sports teachers to get kids to play football without specific coaching knowledge.

    So if states schools were to get to a “level playing field” it would take huge investment. And resources and land that simply isn’t available and if you try and do it in a half arsed way with small pitches, crap wickets and bad coaching then you still aren’t going to get many state school cricketers breaking through without joining local cricket clubs.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    I never take the like or off topic buttons seriously. If I've ever clicked them, it's been by accident due to fat fingers on my phone. Now the WTF button? That's something I can get behind. I know it won't be kept as some people will take offence and we really can't have that these days, but nice while it lasts.
    👍😁😁😁😁
    +1

    I don't take offence, but I think you're wrong.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Is -1 sufficient for a post to be opposed? And if it is already on +2 from others, do we type -1 or go for the cumulative reverting it back to +1? But then that would be confused with a like......
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    DavidL said:

    What we seem to be seeing is that healthcare is slowly being privatised because the NHS simply does not provide an acceptable service despite all the money that is spent on it. Dentistry was always a weak area but private dentistry care has become a standard cost. Many people are no longer willing to wait, in pain, for the NHS to deal with knee and hip replacements, and accept the cost of private care as Mike has.

    There are several causes of this in my opinion. Firstly, demand exceeds supply as the population ages. Secondly, the supply is being inhibited by poor NHS productivity, something that seems increasingly marked since Covid. Thirdly, those that have ailments such as needing a new knee tend to be at a stage of life where such expenditure is affordable. It seems likely that the range of ailments treated this way will increase with a particular focus on old age ailments. Fourthly, many employers and insurers find it economically attractive to fund more prompt treatment of their workforce so that they can get back to work.

    We are almost certainly moving to a two tier health service for many. Those with private health care, particularly through work, or because they can afford it, will be indifferent to the quality of service provided by the NHS. In 1997 Labour inherited an economy growing strongly with additional resources to burn. This will not be the case this time. I very much doubt that the incoming government will be able to change these broad trends.

    I was thinking, though, it's hardly confined to the NHS. Look at the shambles in your own field. Four year waits for legal hearings. Or education. Admittedly having spent the last few days trying to get the DfE to understand their own safeguarding rules I will admit the bucolic stupidity of the administrators may have something to do with the problems, but the fact is we have a school system under intense pressure at pinch points and a support system on the brink of collapse. You could also mention the armed forces, which have been brutally cut, except for aircraft carriers (one of which doesn't float very well and the other of which doesn't have any aircraft) or transport, where our roads are falling to pieces and our railways being messed about like you can't believe it.

    I think the NHS issues in the header is a symptom of a wider problem - inadequate funding, coupled with years of poor management of what money there is.

    I don't have easy solutions, but it would be good to see somebody understanding both sides to the problem.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Nigelb said:

    kjh said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
    There is a lot of debate in how to optimise participation for appointments. Open booked appointments are more flexible and tend to have better utilisation. Firm appointments do seem to work better with some subgroups.
    Also, the benefits of screening mammography are fairly marginal.
    Anecdotal only I appreciate, but it saved my wife on her very first routine screening. No symptoms.

    ...Is there anything that can be done to improve screening mammography? AI is getting better at interpreting mammograms. The false negative rate is very low already, but that could be made lower. There’s the possibility of reducing the big false positive rate. It will also cut the cost if we can move away from the current double reading system (every mammogram independently looked at by two professionals). Lower dose X-rays are a possibility. On the flip side, treatments for breast cancer (thankfully) keep getting better, which erode the benefit of early diagnosis.
    The other wild card is molecular screening of blood samples to detect cancer signals.
    The technology is in its infancy - and subject to the same caveats about unnecessary and possibly debilitating therapy in a large number of cases - but the NHS has already run one large scale trial, and there will be many more, as the technology becomes more discriminating.
    For something like pancreatic cancer, where it's almost always too late for successful treatment once symptoms occur, it could be a game changer in a relatively short timeframe.
    ??? - The NHS is in year 2 of a 3 year trial on blood scanning for cancer signals.

    I'm part of the Galleri trial (it made the news because it has already been a success) and I gave my second sample last week (heck I think I mentioned it as I went because Morrisons was empty when I went in there afterwards).
  • agingjb2agingjb2 Posts: 114
    I have sometimes wanted a "PB" button (meaning "partisan bile").

    WTF button? WTF.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    eristdoof said:

    WTF am I meant to use the WTF Button for?

    I think it initiates a wire transfer to pb.com each time it is pressed.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    edited June 2023
    Sad day. I don't want to polute the site with lots of +1 posts.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855

    Miklosvar said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
    Documentation from the lab; samples that clearly link work in the lab to the outbreak; first-hand testimony from workers, etc, etc.

    And yes, like the F&M outbreak we had in 2007, there might be a 'smoking gun' for how it got released, such as broken effluent pipes.
    And how would US intelligence expect to have access to any of that? And for what alternative theory is there that kind of evidence?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    kjh said:

    Sad day. I don't want to polute the site with lots of +1 posts.

    I concur, so will continue to post my random stream of semi-conscious thoughts that no sane person might possibly agree with.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385

    kjh said:

    Sad day. I don't want to polute the site with lots of +1 posts.

    I concur, so will continue to post my random stream of semi-conscious thoughts that no sane person might possibly agree with.
    We've already got Hyufd, Leon and everyone's favourite ex-army officer to do that. We really don't need any more.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    My life has lost meaning. The only thing I had left to look forward to was waking up everyday and checking to see who had ‘liked’ my overnight bon mot. What is left for a man…seal?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Please put it back. The new "wtf" button does not make sense. It makes it difficult to react to a post and makes interacting with a post unpleasant. If a poster announces a death in the family or another unpleasant life life event, as many do these days, I now no longer have a way to courteously react. Please stop this WTF, it is a silly change that makes the site unpleasant.
    You thought it was courteous to 'like' a post showing a death in the family?

    That seems a bit odd.

    I usually liked the first one saying 'condolences.' It said what I wanted to and saved multiple replies.
    It was an empathy button. WTF doesn't seem quite the right response in these circumstances.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    DougSeal said:

    My life has lost meaning. The only thing I had left to look forward to was waking up everyday and checking to see who had ‘liked’ my overnight bon mot. What is left for a man…seal?

    I would have thot you'd be happy at the suggestions the new arrangements are fishy.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    I try pressing the WFH button but my employer still won't let me leave the office.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited June 2023

    Morning everyone.

    The US Senator Marco Rubio says that David Grusch is not the only one who has testified that the U.S. is in possesion of non-human technology.

    https://twitter.com/StandForBetter/status/1673515200107151360

    Non human technology does not necessarily mean either alien or advanced.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/crows-enjoy-tools-researchers-find/story?id=64739159
    Watching the interview, Rubio says that a large number of senior, currently serving whistleblowers have come forward to his committee, with first-hand accounts, that most people would consider fantastical, and he doesn't see what their incentive would be for making things up.

    These people have come forward to the Intelligence Committee , for which Rubio is vice-chairman , so we're not talking about random people, here.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    No off topic button. How will we know when someone deviates from the thread header?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,352
    The money just isn’t there, to reduce waiting lists, as well as doing everything else we want from the government.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385

    No off topic button. How will we know when someone deviates from the thread header?

    They'll post a comment.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,817
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    What we seem to be seeing is that healthcare is slowly being privatised because the NHS simply does not provide an acceptable service despite all the money that is spent on it. Dentistry was always a weak area but private dentistry care has become a standard cost. Many people are no longer willing to wait, in pain, for the NHS to deal with knee and hip replacements, and accept the cost of private care as Mike has.

    There are several causes of this in my opinion. Firstly, demand exceeds supply as the population ages. Secondly, the supply is being inhibited by poor NHS productivity, something that seems increasingly marked since Covid. Thirdly, those that have ailments such as needing a new knee tend to be at a stage of life where such expenditure is affordable. It seems likely that the range of ailments treated this way will increase with a particular focus on old age ailments. Fourthly, many employers and insurers find it economically attractive to fund more prompt treatment of their workforce so that they can get back to work.

    We are almost certainly moving to a two tier health service for many. Those with private health care, particularly through work, or because they can afford it, will be indifferent to the quality of service provided by the NHS. In 1997 Labour inherited an economy growing strongly with additional resources to burn. This will not be the case this time. I very much doubt that the incoming government will be able to change these broad trends.

    I was thinking, though, it's hardly confined to the NHS. Look at the shambles in your own field. Four year waits for legal hearings. Or education. Admittedly having spent the last few days trying to get the DfE to understand their own safeguarding rules I will admit the bucolic stupidity of the administrators may have something to do with the problems, but the fact is we have a school system under intense pressure at pinch points and a support system on the brink of collapse. You could also mention the armed forces, which have been brutally cut, except for aircraft carriers (one of which doesn't float very well and the other of which doesn't have any aircraft) or transport, where our roads are falling to pieces and our railways being messed about like you can't believe it.

    I think the NHS issues in the header is a symptom of a wider problem - inadequate funding, coupled with years of poor management of what money there is.

    I don't have easy solutions, but it would be good to see somebody understanding both sides to the problem.
    In my own field there has been a rapid increase in arbitration for commercial disputes. As you say, the symptoms are the same. It is not acceptable in many commercial disputes to wait years for an answer. The inefficiency of the court system means that better methods of dispute resolution have to be found. Those who might otherwise demand a better service opt out for something private and leave the rest to flounder. I had a case about access on farm roads which is still awaiting a decision. The availability of civil court days in the Sheriff Court meant that the proof alone took over 15 months, with a series of days scattered over this time.

    My wife is trying to get onto the government gateway to check her NI contributions history. She filled in the relevant information from her passport and P60 but the site maintains that the information is wrong. A query on the only link available provided the belated response that this was not a technology question without further assistance.

    So much of the public sector simply does not provide the service that it is paid to do.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,352
    Miklosvar said:

    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for the same reasons.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for similar reasons.
    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for the same reasons.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for similar reasons.
    And for class reasons. Cricket is for poshos who have time to spare for a game which lasts for days, baseball for those who have to clock on on Monday morning.
    Sure, cricket is inherently an elite sport. There’s no way that most State schools could afford to maintain cricket pitches, or construct indoor cricket facilities, for use in bad weather. The report combines issues that are genuinely concerning with issues that are silly.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ydoethur said:

    No off topic button. How will we know when someone deviates from the thread header?

    They'll post a comment.
    Not quite true.

    The second third and fourth posts remain true to the thread header before the fifth when Leon posts a photo of his lunch.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    Miklosvar said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
    Documentation from the lab; samples that clearly link work in the lab to the outbreak; first-hand testimony from workers, etc, etc.

    And yes, like the F&M outbreak we had in 2007, there might be a 'smoking gun' for how it got released, such as broken effluent pipes.
    None of which was in the Director of National Intelligence report. Do you have a source for any of this?

    I'm struggling to understand the basis for the lab leak hypothesis. I accept lab leak is a plausible cause, but I'm not seeing any specific evidence for it, against the boring counterfactual of the epidemic starting the same way every other epidemic starts, for which there is actually some evidence.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    edited June 2023
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Perhaps, as a matter of policy, we should all grow up and stop chasing cheap 'likes.'

    If you agree, like this post to show your approval and send a message.
    How do you chase a "like" please
    It's when people make a post to get a reaction from others. You know, the purpose of discussion.

    I find the occasional metadebate over likes to be really strange - some people use them, some don't, what's the problem? It's so snowflakey to get irritated by someone else getting or looking for them.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,078
    edited June 2023
    Best wishes to Mike for a speedy recovery.

    On PB:

    Like? WTF?

    Leon and his multiple personality disorder...

    Out there:

    Putin circling the drain. It could be quick.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Miklosvar said:

    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for the same reasons.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for similar reasons.
    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for the same reasons.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for similar reasons.
    And for class reasons. Cricket is for poshos who have time to spare for a game which lasts for days, baseball for those who have to clock on on Monday morning.
    Baseball is a fun game to play, and with basketball the only one that you see Americans playing for enjoyment. No one plays American football with their mates at a weekend, or ice hockey.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    A novel social experiment has turned PB into coldturkeyville. Stanford could be interested
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Parody Rishi Sunak
    @Parody_PM
    ·
    15h
    I am delighted to announce a long term workforce plan for the NHS, the first stage of which is to overrule the pay review bodies and give everyone another real terms pay cut.

    It's about compassion.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited June 2023
    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer. Nor should private schools have to apologise for producing a disproportionate level of top professional cricketers.

    That’s not really the problem is it. The fact is that State schools just largely do not have the land to have the pitches you need. Think of it this way, at my old place cricket was very popular. We had the luxury of 9 full size cricket pitches to use for a school of around 600 boys. Each pitch needed at least two if not three good quality strips to avoid wear out.

    Now cricket pitches take up a hell of a lot more space than football pitches and they need a hell of a lot more care and management. On top of that you need indoor facilities for nets.

    Add to the above that you need cricket coaches - it’s a lot easier for sports teachers to get kids to play football without specific coaching knowledge.

    So if states schools were to get to a “level playing field” it would take huge investment. And resources and land that simply isn’t available and if you try and do it in a half arsed way with small pitches, crap wickets and bad coaching then you still aren’t going to get many state school cricketers breaking through without joining local cricket clubs.

    Which therefore makes half this Report's accusations of elitism in cricket ludicrous, most state schools won't take up cricket so without private schools doing it it would wither and die in most areas.

    Much like Latin and Greek, playing of regular cricket is something mainly preserved by private schools (and some amateurs on village greens)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    edited June 2023
    Cicero said:

    Best wishes to Mike for a speedy recovery.

    Like? WTF?

    Putin circling the drain. It could be quick.

    Although not as quick as our weekend bot predicted. He said it would be over by Monday and it's now Tuesday.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,352
    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer. Nor should private schools have to apologise for producing a disproportionate level of top professional cricketers.

    That’s not really the problem is it. The fact is that State schools just largely do not have the land to have the pitches you need. Think of it this way, at my old place cricket was very popular. We had the luxury of 9 full size cricket pitches to use for a school of around 600 boys. Each pitch needed at least two if not three good quality strips to avoid wear out.

    Now cricket pitches take up a hell of a lot more space than football pitches and they need a hell of a lot more care and management. On top of that you need indoor facilities for nets.

    Add to the above that you need cricket coaches - it’s a lot easier for sports teachers to get kids to play football without specific coaching knowledge.

    So if states schools were to get to a “level playing field” it would take huge investment. And resources and land that simply isn’t available and if you try and do it in a half arsed way with small pitches, crap wickets and bad coaching then you still aren’t going to get many state school cricketers breaking through without joining local cricket clubs.

    And it would be a waste of money. Cricket can be fun, but it’s not a priority, in terms of educational expenditure.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Miklosvar said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
    In my lifetime there have been two lab leaks in the UK that I am aware of, Smallpox and Foot and Mouth. Both were provable lab leaks. So to say there can't be any clear evidence of a lab leak is obviously not correct.

    It may well be a lab leak and there may not be any evidence that can be found, but that doesn't mean it is a lab leak. It may be, it may not be.

    However unlike @leon I don't jump to conclusions. If leon didn't come out with so much tosh all the time (Do we all remember the mass alien ships over Ukraine?) we might take him more seriously. I can think of two pieces of evidence he provided for absolute proof it came from a lab that were completely dismantled here (one was from Fox news ffs).
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited June 2023
    Cicero said:

    Best wishes to Mike for a speedy recovery.

    On PB:

    Like? WTF?

    Leon and his multiple personality disorder...

    Out there:

    Putin circling the drain. It could be quick.

    In here ; I'm certainly not Leon, if that was any of the implication, there.

    Out there ; strange things are going on both in UFO-land, and Russia.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,555
    "A conspiracy of silence surrounds lockdown’s most disastrous flaw
    Discussing the effects of lockdowns on children confirms that we are finally entering a phase of Covid ‘narrative collapse’
    Sunetra Gupta"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/26/conspiracy-of-silence-lockdowns-most-disastrous-flaw/
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    No off topic button. How will we know when someone deviates from the thread header?

    Check if their post count has increased by 1?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    edited June 2023
    ydoethur said:

    Cicero said:

    Best wishes to Mike for a speedy recovery.

    Like? WTF?

    Putin circling the drain. It could be quick.

    Although not as quick as our weekend bot predicted. He said it would be over by Monday and it's now Wednesday.
    You're too slow to catch a cold. I'm already in Thursday

  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,036
    Can we have the like button back please and ideally a dislike button as well?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    An interesting dynamic wrt the cricket, bringing into focus many issues around Britain today.

    Of course cricket (in the UK) can't be racist. They had a bloke on from some organisation which aimed to bring cricket to those of african/caribbean origin (I think that was how they phrased it). Well of course people of african/caribbean origin need no help from the UK cricketing authorities to be introduced to the game.

    However, it is also the case that people of african/caribbean origin appear in the poorer deciles of society.

    So actually the issue is with poor people not those of a particular race.

    As for women and cricket I will leave that to the cricketing experts who will no doubt point to attendance revenue but I have no real thoughts apart from look at the womens' footie - selling out Wemberley most recently I believe.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Perhaps, as a matter of policy, we should all grow up and stop chasing cheap 'likes.'

    If you agree, like this post to show your approval and send a message.
    How do you chase a "like" please
    It's when people make a post to get a reaction from others. You know, the purpose of discussion.

    I find the occasional metadebate over likes to be really strange - some people use them, some don't, what's the problem?
    I see that the buttons have changed - just "quote" and "WTF". So, what's the meaning of the second? Is it the new like? "Wow, totally fab!"? : 😇
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    I never take the like or off topic buttons seriously. If I've ever clicked them, it's been by accident due to fat fingers on my phone. Now the WTF button? That's something I can get behind. I know it won't be kept as some people will take offence and we really can't have that these days, but nice while it lasts.
    👍😁😁😁😁
    +1

    Who would get offended? People already say WTF and much worse in direct reply.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,580
    FF43 said:

    Miklosvar said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
    Documentation from the lab; samples that clearly link work in the lab to the outbreak; first-hand testimony from workers, etc, etc.

    And yes, like the F&M outbreak we had in 2007, there might be a 'smoking gun' for how it got released, such as broken effluent pipes.
    None of which was in the Director of National Intelligence report. Do you have a source for any of this?

    I'm struggling to understand the basis for the lab leak hypothesis. I accept lab leak is a plausible cause, but I'm not seeing any specific evidence for it, against the boring counterfactual of the epidemic starting the same way every other epidemic starts, for which there is actually some evidence.
    To be clear, I'm sceptical about lab leak, though I am progressing towards it - slowly. I'm responding to the question: " What clear evidence could there be anyway?"

    And I agree, that evidence isn't there as far as I can tell.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Fishing said:

    Can we have the like button back please and ideally a dislike button as well?

    And an ambivalent button for us centrists too!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    geoffw said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cicero said:

    Best wishes to Mike for a speedy recovery.

    Like? WTF?

    Putin circling the drain. It could be quick.

    Although not as quick as our weekend bot predicted. He said it would be over by Monday and it's now Wednesday.
    You're too slow to catch a cold. I'm already in Thursday

    Wednesday? Who said Wednesday? It's only Tuesday. Honestly, some people.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385

    Fishing said:

    Can we have the like button back please and ideally a dislike button as well?

    And an ambivalent button for us centrists too!
    Three buttons: Up, Down and Grand Old Duke of York.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    kjh said:

    Miklosvar said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
    In my lifetime there have been two lab leaks in the UK that I am aware of, Smallpox and Foot and Mouth. Both were provable lab leaks. So to say there can't be any clear evidence of a lab leak is obviously not correct.

    It may well be a lab leak and there may not be any evidence that can be found, but that doesn't mean it is a lab leak. It may be, it may not be.

    However unlike @leon I don't jump to conclusions. If leon didn't come out with so much tosh all the time (Do we all remember the mass alien ships over Ukraine?) we might take him more seriously. I can think of two pieces of evidence he provided for absolute proof it came from a lab that were completely dismantled here (one was from Fox news ffs).
    There was also that one on Survivors. Not sure what the actual virus was, tho.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    Selebian said:

    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Perhaps, as a matter of policy, we should all grow up and stop chasing cheap 'likes.'

    If you agree, like this post to show your approval and send a message.
    How do you chase a "like" please
    It's when people make a post to get a reaction from others. You know, the purpose of discussion.

    I find the occasional metadebate over likes to be really strange - some people use them, some don't, what's the problem?
    I see that the buttons have changed - just "quote" and "WTF". So, what's the meaning of the second? Is it the new like? "Wow, totally fab!"? : 😇
    You might be right, but I had assumed the best posts from pb are going forward to be presented at the next World Trade Fair?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    Can I just say that I like the Like button. And emojis.

    I felt there was potential for confusion between 'off topic' and 'flag'. Why don't we just have 👍 and 👎?
    +1 plus a MERDE button
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208

    FF43 said:

    Miklosvar said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
    Documentation from the lab; samples that clearly link work in the lab to the outbreak; first-hand testimony from workers, etc, etc.

    And yes, like the F&M outbreak we had in 2007, there might be a 'smoking gun' for how it got released, such as broken effluent pipes.
    None of which was in the Director of National Intelligence report. Do you have a source for any of this?

    I'm struggling to understand the basis for the lab leak hypothesis. I accept lab leak is a plausible cause, but I'm not seeing any specific evidence for it, against the boring counterfactual of the epidemic starting the same way every other epidemic starts, for which there is actually some evidence.
    To be clear, I'm sceptical about lab leak, though I am progressing towards it - slowly. I'm responding to the question: " What clear evidence could there be anyway?"

    And I agree, that evidence isn't there as far as I can tell.
    Thanks, in the absence of a like.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    On topic, for what reason do we have a "why the face?" button now?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    TOPPING said:

    kjh said:

    Miklosvar said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
    In my lifetime there have been two lab leaks in the UK that I am aware of, Smallpox and Foot and Mouth. Both were provable lab leaks. So to say there can't be any clear evidence of a lab leak is obviously not correct.

    It may well be a lab leak and there may not be any evidence that can be found, but that doesn't mean it is a lab leak. It may be, it may not be.

    However unlike @leon I don't jump to conclusions. If leon didn't come out with so much tosh all the time (Do we all remember the mass alien ships over Ukraine?) we might take him more seriously. I can think of two pieces of evidence he provided for absolute proof it came from a lab that were completely dismantled here (one was from Fox news ffs).
    There was also that one on Survivors. Not sure what the actual virus was, tho.
    I'm wtf-ing like mad. I hope people realise they are likes.

    Yep that makes another 2 viruses; the original series and the remake.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    TOPPING said:

    An interesting dynamic wrt the cricket, bringing into focus many issues around Britain today.

    Of course cricket (in the UK) can't be racist. They had a bloke on from some organisation which aimed to bring cricket to those of african/caribbean origin (I think that was how they phrased it). Well of course people of african/caribbean origin need no help from the UK cricketing authorities to be introduced to the game.

    However, it is also the case that people of african/caribbean origin appear in the poorer deciles of society.

    So actually the issue is with poor people not those of a particular race.

    As for women and cricket I will leave that to the cricketing experts who will no doubt point to attendance revenue but I have no real thoughts apart from look at the womens' footie - selling out Wemberley most recently I believe.

    Yet women professional footballers too also paid far less than their male counterparts
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    What we seem to be seeing is that healthcare is slowly being privatised because the NHS simply does not provide an acceptable service despite all the money that is spent on it. Dentistry was always a weak area but private dentistry care has become a standard cost. Many people are no longer willing to wait, in pain, for the NHS to deal with knee and hip replacements, and accept the cost of private care as Mike has.

    There are several causes of this in my opinion. Firstly, demand exceeds supply as the population ages. Secondly, the supply is being inhibited by poor NHS productivity, something that seems increasingly marked since Covid. Thirdly, those that have ailments such as needing a new knee tend to be at a stage of life where such expenditure is affordable. It seems likely that the range of ailments treated this way will increase with a particular focus on old age ailments. Fourthly, many employers and insurers find it economically attractive to fund more prompt treatment of their workforce so that they can get back to work.

    We are almost certainly moving to a two tier health service for many. Those with private health care, particularly through work, or because they can afford it, will be indifferent to the quality of service provided by the NHS. In 1997 Labour inherited an economy growing strongly with additional resources to burn. This will not be the case this time. I very much doubt that the incoming government will be able to change these broad trends.

    I was thinking, though, it's hardly confined to the NHS. Look at the shambles in your own field. Four year waits for legal hearings. Or education. Admittedly having spent the last few days trying to get the DfE to understand their own safeguarding rules I will admit the bucolic stupidity of the administrators may have something to do with the problems, but the fact is we have a school system under intense pressure at pinch points and a support system on the brink of collapse. You could also mention the armed forces, which have been brutally cut, except for aircraft carriers (one of which doesn't float very well and the other of which doesn't have any aircraft) or transport, where our roads are falling to pieces and our railways being messed about like you can't believe it.

    I think the NHS issues in the header is a symptom of a wider problem - inadequate funding, coupled with years of poor management of what money there is.

    I don't have easy solutions, but it would be good to see somebody understanding both sides to the problem.
    In my own field there has been a rapid increase in arbitration for commercial disputes. As you say, the symptoms are the same. It is not acceptable in many commercial disputes to wait years for an answer. The inefficiency of the court system means that better methods of dispute resolution have to be found. Those who might otherwise demand a better service opt out for something private and leave the rest to flounder. I had a case about access on farm roads which is still awaiting a decision. The availability of civil court days in the Sheriff Court meant that the proof alone took over 15 months, with a series of days scattered over this time.

    My wife is trying to get onto the government gateway to check her NI contributions history. She filled in the relevant information from her passport and P60 but the site maintains that the information is wrong. A query on the only link available provided the belated response that this was not a technology question without further assistance.

    So much of the public sector simply does not provide the service that it is paid to do.
    Lack of resources in critical areas (starving courts of money truly being a false economy) and endless new rules and requirements. When people come across a decent service now they are genuinely surprised, and that's damning.

    It'd be like coming across a well run and cost effective utility company that didn't treat people like shit - a miracle.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    malcolmg said:

    Can I just say that I like the Like button. And emojis.

    I felt there was potential for confusion between 'off topic' and 'flag'. Why don't we just have 👍 and 👎?
    +1 plus a MERDE button
    And a blue tick button that people can pay £15 per month for which confirms a poster is important and amazing and allows the poster to give multiple likes to their own posts.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Selebian said:

    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Perhaps, as a matter of policy, we should all grow up and stop chasing cheap 'likes.'

    If you agree, like this post to show your approval and send a message.
    How do you chase a "like" please
    It's when people make a post to get a reaction from others. You know, the purpose of discussion.

    I find the occasional metadebate over likes to be really strange - some people use them, some don't, what's the problem?
    I see that the buttons have changed - just "quote" and "WTF". So, what's the meaning of the second? Is it the new like? "Wow, totally fab!"? : 😇
    You might be right, but I had assumed the best posts from pb are going forward to be presented at the next World Trade Fair?
    I thought it meant "Wire the Founders" so everytime you click it £1 gets wired to OGH and @rcs1000 ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Andy_JS said:

    "A conspiracy of silence surrounds lockdown’s most disastrous flaw
    Discussing the effects of lockdowns on children confirms that we are finally entering a phase of Covid ‘narrative collapse’
    Sunetra Gupta"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/26/conspiracy-of-silence-lockdowns-most-disastrous-flaw/

    We hear from people complaining all the time. Try again.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Fishing said:

    Can we have the like button back please and ideally a dislike button as well?

    Not sure I like a dislike button. When I like I usually haven't anything else to add. If I dislike I feel I should say why.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    boulay said:

    malcolmg said:

    Can I just say that I like the Like button. And emojis.

    I felt there was potential for confusion between 'off topic' and 'flag'. Why don't we just have 👍 and 👎?
    +1 plus a MERDE button
    And a blue tick button that people can pay £15 per month for which confirms a poster is important and amazing and allows the poster to give multiple likes to their own posts.
    Given Leon has boundless wealth from his flint knapping career, £15 a month is selling it short.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    An interesting dynamic wrt the cricket, bringing into focus many issues around Britain today.

    Of course cricket (in the UK) can't be racist. They had a bloke on from some organisation which aimed to bring cricket to those of african/caribbean origin (I think that was how they phrased it). Well of course people of african/caribbean origin need no help from the UK cricketing authorities to be introduced to the game.

    However, it is also the case that people of african/caribbean origin appear in the poorer deciles of society.

    So actually the issue is with poor people not those of a particular race.

    As for women and cricket I will leave that to the cricketing experts who will no doubt point to attendance revenue but I have no real thoughts apart from look at the womens' footie - selling out Wemberley most recently I believe.

    Yet women professional footballers too also paid far less than their male counterparts
    Yes I don't think selling out Wembley is the sole criterion for sports wages.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    ydoethur said:

    boulay said:

    malcolmg said:

    Can I just say that I like the Like button. And emojis.

    I felt there was potential for confusion between 'off topic' and 'flag'. Why don't we just have 👍 and 👎?
    +1 plus a MERDE button
    And a blue tick button that people can pay £15 per month for which confirms a poster is important and amazing and allows the poster to give multiple likes to their own posts.
    Given Leon has boundless wealth from his flint knapping career, £15 a month is selling it short.
    Yes but he has to pay for multiple accounts so it all adds up.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,941
    Meanwhile, a series of Russian military/diplomatic flights have just taken off for Washington (confirmed) and (allegedly) Beijing.

    People speculating on Twitter that Putin may no longer be in control (or worse, Russia may have lost a nuke).

    https://twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/1673587079295684611

    Can we get a "brace" button?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    boulay said:

    malcolmg said:

    Can I just say that I like the Like button. And emojis.

    I felt there was potential for confusion between 'off topic' and 'flag'. Why don't we just have 👍 and 👎?
    +1 plus a MERDE button
    And a blue tick button that people can pay £15 per month for which confirms a poster is important and amazing and allows the poster to give multiple likes to their own posts.
    Excellent idea, and I'm prepaid already.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited June 2023
    This new WTF button is reminding me of what the BBC's Russia correspondent, Steve Rosenberg, says he saw on a sticker on a Russian car in Moscow yesterday, and took a photo.

    "WTF is going on?"
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,149

    LOL, some of Scotch experts called this right, again.

    EU rebuffs Humza Yousaf’s plan for Scottish envoy

    First minister will have UK ‘babysitter’ for talks in Brussels


    Brussels has undermined an important strand of Humza Yousaf’s independence strategy by saying it will refuse to negotiate with any politicians not authorised by the UK government.

    The first minister outlined his plans to send an envoy to the European Union to “prepare the ground for Scotland to become an independent member state of the EU” during his speech to party members on Saturday in Dundee.

    Yousaf travelled to Brussels, his first overseas trip since taking office, where he was attending an inward investment dinner with members of the British Chamber of Commerce.

    On Wednesday Yousaf is due to meet Maros Sefcovic, the vice-president of the European Commission, but he will be “babysat” by the UK’s most senior diplomat in Brussels....

    ...In a blow to Yousaf, EU sources rejected the prospect of the European Commission, the executive arm of the bloc, taking part in separation talks when asked about the first minister’s suggestions for an envoy.

    “The EU as such deals only with the official governments of third countries,” a source said. “Of course we welcome the friendship of our Scottish friends and stand ready to engage with all parts of the UK within this new cycle of our relationship.”

    The EU regards “third countries” as non-members of the bloc, which in this case would be the UK with Scotland deemed a “region” within the state.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/humza-yousaf-scottish-representative-eu-plan-rejected-lbdctjc68

    Don Quixote Yousaf !
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,352
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    What we seem to be seeing is that healthcare is slowly being privatised because the NHS simply does not provide an acceptable service despite all the money that is spent on it. Dentistry was always a weak area but private dentistry care has become a standard cost. Many people are no longer willing to wait, in pain, for the NHS to deal with knee and hip replacements, and accept the cost of private care as Mike has.

    There are several causes of this in my opinion. Firstly, demand exceeds supply as the population ages. Secondly, the supply is being inhibited by poor NHS productivity, something that seems increasingly marked since Covid. Thirdly, those that have ailments such as needing a new knee tend to be at a stage of life where such expenditure is affordable. It seems likely that the range of ailments treated this way will increase with a particular focus on old age ailments. Fourthly, many employers and insurers find it economically attractive to fund more prompt treatment of their workforce so that they can get back to work.

    We are almost certainly moving to a two tier health service for many. Those with private health care, particularly through work, or because they can afford it, will be indifferent to the quality of service provided by the NHS. In 1997 Labour inherited an economy growing strongly with additional resources to burn. This will not be the case this time. I very much doubt that the incoming government will be able to change these broad trends.

    I was thinking, though, it's hardly confined to the NHS. Look at the shambles in your own field. Four year waits for legal hearings. Or education. Admittedly having spent the last few days trying to get the DfE to understand their own safeguarding rules I will admit the bucolic stupidity of the administrators may have something to do with the problems, but the fact is we have a school system under intense pressure at pinch points and a support system on the brink of collapse. You could also mention the armed forces, which have been brutally cut, except for aircraft carriers (one of which doesn't float very well and the other of which doesn't have any aircraft) or transport, where our roads are falling to pieces and our railways being messed about like you can't believe it.

    I think the NHS issues in the header is a symptom of a wider problem - inadequate funding, coupled with years of poor management of what money there is.

    I don't have easy solutions, but it would be good to see somebody understanding both sides to the problem.
    In my own field there has been a rapid increase in arbitration for commercial disputes. As you say, the symptoms are the same. It is not acceptable in many commercial disputes to wait years for an answer. The inefficiency of the court system means that better methods of dispute resolution have to be found. Those who might otherwise demand a better service opt out for something private and leave the rest to flounder. I had a case about access on farm roads which is still awaiting a decision. The availability of civil court days in the Sheriff Court meant that the proof alone took over 15 months, with a series of days scattered over this time.

    My wife is trying to get onto the government gateway to check her NI contributions history. She filled in the relevant information from her passport and P60 but the site maintains that the information is wrong. A query on the only link available provided the belated response that this was not a technology question without further assistance.

    So much of the public sector simply does not provide the service that it is paid to do.
    Lack of resources in critical areas (starving courts of money truly being a false economy) and endless new rules and requirements. When people come across a decent service now they are genuinely surprised, and that's damning.

    It'd be like coming across a well run and cost effective utility company that didn't treat people like shit - a miracle.
    It’s like using the DVLA website. It’s amazing how simple and efficient it is to use.

    What’s especially bad about the civil courts, probate registries, land registries is that they don’t need to be financed from general taxation. We pay quite hefty fees, and still get an inadequate service.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "A conspiracy of silence surrounds lockdown’s most disastrous flaw
    Discussing the effects of lockdowns on children confirms that we are finally entering a phase of Covid ‘narrative collapse’
    Sunetra Gupta"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/26/conspiracy-of-silence-lockdowns-most-disastrous-flaw/

    We hear from people complaining all the time. Try again.
    Anyone who wants to do something more practical, go here:

    https://covid19.public-inquiry.uk/every-story-matters/

    They offer 50,000 characters across three boxes, so there's plenty of room to vent.

    I have already sent in a very - ahem - forthright assessment of the various failures of the DfE.

    No idea whether they will pay any attention but it's more likely to have a result or at least get things checked out than venting propaganda from the Telegraph on Pb.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    Is there a market up on who gets the most WTFs?

    I'd have HYUFD as clear favourite, as his posts most often ellicit that reaction (from me, at least). But I do think Leon could be in with a chance if he puts his mind to it. Or even Casino on one of his Wokefinder General rants.

    Hard to call though if we all use them as surrogate likes.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    What we seem to be seeing is that healthcare is slowly being privatised because the NHS simply does not provide an acceptable service despite all the money that is spent on it. Dentistry was always a weak area but private dentistry care has become a standard cost. Many people are no longer willing to wait, in pain, for the NHS to deal with knee and hip replacements, and accept the cost of private care as Mike has.

    There are several causes of this in my opinion. Firstly, demand exceeds supply as the population ages. Secondly, the supply is being inhibited by poor NHS productivity, something that seems increasingly marked since Covid. Thirdly, those that have ailments such as needing a new knee tend to be at a stage of life where such expenditure is affordable. It seems likely that the range of ailments treated this way will increase with a particular focus on old age ailments. Fourthly, many employers and insurers find it economically attractive to fund more prompt treatment of their workforce so that they can get back to work.

    We are almost certainly moving to a two tier health service for many. Those with private health care, particularly through work, or because they can afford it, will be indifferent to the quality of service provided by the NHS. In 1997 Labour inherited an economy growing strongly with additional resources to burn. This will not be the case this time. I very much doubt that the incoming government will be able to change these broad trends.

    I was thinking, though, it's hardly confined to the NHS. Look at the shambles in your own field. Four year waits for legal hearings. Or education. Admittedly having spent the last few days trying to get the DfE to understand their own safeguarding rules I will admit the bucolic stupidity of the administrators may have something to do with the problems, but the fact is we have a school system under intense pressure at pinch points and a support system on the brink of collapse. You could also mention the armed forces, which have been brutally cut, except for aircraft carriers (one of which doesn't float very well and the other of which doesn't have any aircraft) or transport, where our roads are falling to pieces and our railways being messed about like you can't believe it.

    I think the NHS issues in the header is a symptom of a wider problem - inadequate funding, coupled with years of poor management of what money there is.

    I don't have easy solutions, but it would be good to see somebody understanding both sides to the problem.
    In my own field there has been a rapid increase in arbitration for commercial disputes. As you say, the symptoms are the same. It is not acceptable in many commercial disputes to wait years for an answer. The inefficiency of the court system means that better methods of dispute resolution have to be found. Those who might otherwise demand a better service opt out for something private and leave the rest to flounder. I had a case about access on farm roads which is still awaiting a decision. The availability of civil court days in the Sheriff Court meant that the proof alone took over 15 months, with a series of days scattered over this time.

    My wife is trying to get onto the government gateway to check her NI contributions history. She filled in the relevant information from her passport and P60 but the site maintains that the information is wrong. A query on the only link available provided the belated response that this was not a technology question without further assistance.

    So much of the public sector simply does not provide the service that it is paid to do.
    Lack of resources in critical areas (starving courts of money truly being a false economy) and endless new rules and requirements. When people come across a decent service now they are genuinely surprised, and that's damning.

    It'd be like coming across a well run and cost effective utility company that didn't treat people like shit - a miracle.
    It’s like using the DVLA website. It’s amazing how simple and efficient it is to use.

    What’s especially bad about the civil courts, probate registries, land registries is that they don’t need to be financed from general taxation. We pay quite hefty fees, and still get an inadequate service.
    It took me a week to get a new passport from application submitted to delivery. That's impressive. The DVLA site is brilliantly efficient too. It can be done!

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    MattW said:

    LOL, some of Scotch experts called this right, again.

    EU rebuffs Humza Yousaf’s plan for Scottish envoy

    First minister will have UK ‘babysitter’ for talks in Brussels


    Brussels has undermined an important strand of Humza Yousaf’s independence strategy by saying it will refuse to negotiate with any politicians not authorised by the UK government.

    The first minister outlined his plans to send an envoy to the European Union to “prepare the ground for Scotland to become an independent member state of the EU” during his speech to party members on Saturday in Dundee.

    Yousaf travelled to Brussels, his first overseas trip since taking office, where he was attending an inward investment dinner with members of the British Chamber of Commerce.

    On Wednesday Yousaf is due to meet Maros Sefcovic, the vice-president of the European Commission, but he will be “babysat” by the UK’s most senior diplomat in Brussels....

    ...In a blow to Yousaf, EU sources rejected the prospect of the European Commission, the executive arm of the bloc, taking part in separation talks when asked about the first minister’s suggestions for an envoy.

    “The EU as such deals only with the official governments of third countries,” a source said. “Of course we welcome the friendship of our Scottish friends and stand ready to engage with all parts of the UK within this new cycle of our relationship.”

    The EU regards “third countries” as non-members of the bloc, which in this case would be the UK with Scotland deemed a “region” within the state.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/humza-yousaf-scottish-representative-eu-plan-rejected-lbdctjc68

    Don Quixote Yousaf !
    Not so much a windup merchant as a windmill merchant?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited June 2023
    kyf_100 said:

    Meanwhile, a series of Russian military/diplomatic flights have just taken off for Washington (confirmed) and (allegedly) Beijing.

    People speculating on Twitter that Putin may no longer be in control (or worse, Russia may have lost a nuke).

    https://twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/1673587079295684611

    Can we get a "brace" button?

    Might be a good time for Marco Rubio to call up some extra-terrestrial chaps, as the media have also missed that, so far, today.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    Selebian said:

    Is there a market up on who gets the most WTFs?

    I'd have HYUFD as clear favourite, as his posts most often ellicit that reaction (from me, at least). But I do think Leon could be in with a chance if he puts his mind to it. Or even Casino on one of his Wokefinder General rants.

    Hard to call though if we all use them as surrogate likes.

    Cyclefree's comments on the police are usually WTF moments.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Presumably the removal of 'flag' and 'off topic' mean that RCS and OGH will no longer be troubled by emails advising that a 'flag' or 'off topic' have occurred?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    kjh said:

    Miklosvar said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
    In my lifetime there have been two lab leaks in the UK that I am aware of, Smallpox and Foot and Mouth. Both were provable lab leaks. So to say there can't be any clear evidence of a lab leak is obviously not correct.

    It may well be a lab leak and there may not be any evidence that can be found, but that doesn't mean it is a lab leak. It may be, it may not be.

    However unlike @leon I don't jump to conclusions. If leon didn't come out with so much tosh all the time (Do we all remember the mass alien ships over Ukraine?) we might take him more seriously. I can think of two pieces of evidence he provided for absolute proof it came from a lab that were completely dismantled here (one was from Fox news ffs).
    There's also the likely, but not proven Russian influenza leak, of course.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790
    Cyclefree said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Seriously, Robert, that's a mistake.

    I often use the like button as an acknowledge or to show agreement when I haven't the time to post.

    Please put it back.
    Yes. Please do so.

    The WTF button is stupid.
    :)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    Hey! What happened to the "like" button?!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    edited June 2023

    Hey! What happened to the "like" button?!

    Apparently somebody used it to diss Radiohead.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,352
    ydoethur said:

    Selebian said:

    Is there a market up on who gets the most WTFs?

    I'd have HYUFD as clear favourite, as his posts most often ellicit that reaction (from me, at least). But I do think Leon could be in with a chance if he puts his mind to it. Or even Casino on one of his Wokefinder General rants.

    Hard to call though if we all use them as surrogate likes.

    Cyclefree's comments on the police are usually WTF moments.
    It’s hard to give any other reaction to stories about officers being affectionately nicknamed “rapist” or “wifebeater” by colleagues.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727

    boulay said:

    malcolmg said:

    Can I just say that I like the Like button. And emojis.

    I felt there was potential for confusion between 'off topic' and 'flag'. Why don't we just have 👍 and 👎?
    +1 plus a MERDE button
    And a blue tick button that people can pay £15 per month for which confirms a poster is important and amazing and allows the poster to give multiple likes to their own posts.
    Excellent idea, and I'm prepaid already.
    Oh yeah! Can I get one?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Selebian said:

    Is there a market up on who gets the most WTFs?

    I'd have HYUFD as clear favourite, as his posts most often ellicit that reaction (from me, at least). But I do think Leon could be in with a chance if he puts his mind to it. Or even Casino on one of his Wokefinder General rants.

    Hard to call though if we all use them as surrogate likes.

    Woke ? That's Fine.
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