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  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Farooq said:

    Pulpstar said:

    dixiedean said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Rayleigh, perhaps some Lincolnshire seats. Borders.

    Was interesting to see when you put the average of current polling into Baxter the three safest Tory seats, and 6 or 7 of the Top Ten are in Scotland.
    Some of the safest electoral calc seats look like stone cold LD gains to me
    Beyond question of utility or otherwise of various polls > seats calculations, is it possible, that some voters are starting to respond based NOT on which party they support the most, but instead on which party they are (at least thinking about) voting for in their local constituency?

    For example, my UK doppelganger is a Labour AND Starmer supporter BUT lives in constituency where Lib Dem has best short (it appears today) to take out Tory incumbent.

    When polled, is his response re: voting intention Labour? OR Liberal Democrat?

    Seems to me they could logically go either way - fielder's choice.
    Ideologically I'm closest to the Lib Dems (but "supporter" is going too far).
    My constituency is Conservative-held, with SNP second:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff_and_Buchan_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

    Last election I voted Lib Dem. This time, I'm still not sure, but currently leaning towards SNP. For me, the equation has changed from "vote for what best matches your core belief sets" to "get the fucking Tories out right now".

    I can't say for sure it'll stay that way, and given the SNP's problems it might emerge that there's a better alternative for shifting Duguid out. So I'll wait and see. But in your "fielder's choice" scenario, I find myself fielding a little differently compared to four years ago.
    Are any pollster asking, perhaps as follow-up, "In your own local constituency, for whom would you vote?" or something similar (exact formulation of words of course very important as with 99.46% of poll questions)?
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,332
    It wouldnt be possible the NHS problem is

    a) partially because its a bloated organisation, with too many responsibilities, too slow moving, that lives too much on the back of its cult like status like its a religon and
    b) partially because far too many people live, knowingly, shittily unhealthy lives and should take a bit more responsibility for themselves.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    Nigelb said:

    Audible gasps at #ADA2023 as Phase II data for $LLY GGG agonist retatrutide shows up to 24.2% weight loss at 48 weeks in obese & overweight patients without diabetes. 100% of patients at top 2 doses met threshold of 5% or greater weight loss. Nearly half lost 1/4 of body weight.
    https://twitter.com/ScripMandy/status/1673451979547488256

    Remarkable results.

    Possible side effect concerns, though.

    Does it just work by blocking addictive behaviour?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Anger in Italy as tourist filmed carving names into the Colosseum

    Italian Culture Minister Gennaro Sangiuliano says it's a "sign of great incivility"."

    https://news.sky.com/story/anger-in-italy-as-tourist-filmed-carving-initials-into-the-colosseum-12910150

    Seems like the sort of thing the Romans would have done. Loved a bit of graffiti.
    Certain that Roman chislers (including graffit-bandits) gave the ancient Greeks heartburn back in their day.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Lab leak debunked then, I see.

    Not really; rather the certainty, and some of the previously bruited reasons for it, have been exploded.
    Either hypothesis remains possible.
    The claim is "there's no direct evidence." Which is bollocks because there's no direct evidence of most things. Lots of murderers are convicted without direct evidence and lab leaks are even more problematic - you could hardly have cctv or eyewitness evidence of one occurring

    Anyway it's all relative - the evidence does not have to be that good, it just needs to be better than that for competing theories
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    "Former prime minister Liz Truss has called on the government to have a plan in place in case the Russian government under Vladimir Putin collapses."

    https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-calls-for-uk-to-have-plan-if-russia-collapses-after-wagner-mutiny-12910004
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Andy_JS said:

    "Former prime minister Liz Truss has called on the government to have a plan in place in case the Russian government under Vladimir Putin collapses."

    https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-calls-for-uk-to-have-plan-if-russia-collapses-after-wagner-mutiny-12910004

    There are *seven* living former PMs. Times be weird
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    Yokes said:

    It wouldnt be possible the NHS problem is

    a) partially because its a bloated organisation, with too many responsibilities, too slow moving, that lives too much on the back of its cult like status like its a religon and
    b) partially because far too many people live, knowingly, shittily unhealthy lives and should take a bit more responsibility for themselves.

    To be honest it's c) there are unprecedently large numbers of older people, both absolute and relative, and we haven't worked out how to handle this yet.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    geoffw said:

    I would do away with emojis too

    :+1:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    "UK is among countries with the most positive attitude towards refugees, poll finds"

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/17/uk-is-among-countries-with-the-most-positive-attitude-towards-refugees-poll-finds
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Miklosvar said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Lab leak debunked then, I see.

    Not really; rather the certainty, and some of the previously bruited reasons for it, have been exploded.
    Either hypothesis remains possible.
    The claim is "there's no direct evidence." Which is bollocks because there's no direct evidence of most things. Lots of murderers are convicted without direct evidence and lab leaks are even more problematic - you could hardly have cctv or eyewitness evidence of one occurring

    Anyway it's all relative - the evidence does not have to be that good, it just needs to be better than that for competing theories
    Except it's not better.
    The problem for lab leak proponents is that they've had several different theories, and each time a particular claim is debunked (eg "furin cleavage site doesn't exist in wild coronaviruses" - since discovered), they just move on to another, without letting that modify their belief.

    "Lots of murders are solved..." is an awful comparison, since here you're trying to say that one occurred before you have the evidence for it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Former prime minister Liz Truss has called on the government to have a plan in place in case the Russian government under Vladimir Putin collapses."

    https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-calls-for-uk-to-have-plan-if-russia-collapses-after-wagner-mutiny-12910004

    There are *seven* living former PMs. Times be weird
    Could easily be eight before the next election.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,036
    edited June 2023



    It's not that, it's the failure of every Tory government since 2010 to reform it to work less like Soviet Russia and more like the system in every other developed country except America. They knew it needed doing, they wanted to do it, the voters knew they wanted to do it, and they didn't do it.

    Actually, that's not quite true. The Lansley reforms, for instance, were an attempt to shove the NHS in that direction. But they had various internal contradictions, in particular trying to make market forces work in a system in state ownership and without the profit motive, and so, despite some achievements, largely failed.

    And then of course there was the disatrous reaction to the pandemic, which many people said that the time would cripple healthcare in the country for a generation, but which the government successfully terrified voters into supporting.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
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    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Siri - define hypocrisy

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4451051#Comment_4451051
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426
    edited June 2023
    @Mike - I hope your op was a success.

    The graph certainly is striking. Perhaps the FT will back Labour in the next GE as they backed Blair. (They were neutral in 2019.) Labour look likely to run on improving the state health service as their big promise, and on the inability of Tory incompetents to measure up.

    But the Conservatives remain a formidable force. They will have immigration and what is essentially white pride as their big thing. Crowds have short memories. Imagine if they link cutting the Gordian knot of immigration with improving state health provision in some surprising way. Not talking about the past, but talking about the future. Never mind that the surprising way will only last about five minutes. If it involves vans with hoardings on the side and guys and gals in medical and nursing uniforms, it will have an impact. Where does that leave Labour? The Tories will say sure we all want to improve the state health system but only the Tories can pay for it. Translated into what that means emotionally for the petty bourgeoisie, that means let those working class member of the public f*ckers suffer physical pain and die young because that's all they're good for, the lazy scrounging lard-arsed Aldi shoppers who eat baked beans while they're watching television every day and then wonder why they get ill. For the "red wall", i.e. northern proletarians who back in the distant past voted Labour, it means blame the blacks and immigrants of course.

    The main point being that while it seems intellectually that the Tories have no answer to that graph, elections aren't fought on intellectual terrain.
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426
    OK piece in the FT on recent events in Russia:

    https://archive.is/njoN4

    Never mind Ben Wallace's flowery language when he says "(W)e shouldn’t necessarily over-credit the destabilisation, that somehow this is a massive derailment of the Kremlin". His basic point is right. The FSB has not been destabilised. As of the time of writing, Shoigu and Gerasimov have not left office. The FSB were almost certainly playing both sides.

    Incidentally response to emergency is Shaman Shoigu the Aztec sacrificial dagger collector's element.
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    @Leon - you are right about likes. They are indeed badges for inadequate morons.

    Dislikes are interesting too. It was instructive how they poured in against me when I corrected rcs1000 on an arithmetical point and although he eventually saw that I was right he was insisting for the moment that I wasn't. Fans rarely change their minds about anything. They're too stupid. Shoot the mad dog. Whoop whoop whoop.

    At the same time, you yourself sometimes display an unusual amount of yearning for approval.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    As I recall, before the like button came in, there were times when the comments were drying up. I imagine that tapping in to the reaction economy this way probably drives and comments traffic to the site.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,190
    viewcode said:

    @HYUFD and others in the EU discussion

    If you map Catholicism against Protestant history in Europe, it lines up with the intensity of Euroscepticism, with the fault line going thru Ireland, around England, then approximately along the Hanseatic League. It was unofficially understood that the first President would have to be Catholic and it was rumoured that this was a function in Blair's conversion.

    Where are you getting this from? I see surveys showing the most eurosceptic EU countries are usually eg Greece, Italy, France, Hungary, Austria.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    IMO everyone should take a moment today to read about + celebrate the life of John Goodenough:

    - Served in WW2
    - PhD with Enrico Fermi
    - in his 30's, helped create RAM
    - At 58, invented Lithium-Ion batteries
    - At 97, oldest Nobel laureate ever
    - Lived to 100, almost 101

    RIP to a great man with the best last name any engineer should aspire to

    https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1673363453598400512
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    Andy_JS said:

    "Anger in Italy as tourist filmed carving names into the Colosseum

    Italian Culture Minister Gennaro Sangiuliano says it's a "sign of great incivility"."

    https://news.sky.com/story/anger-in-italy-as-tourist-filmed-carving-initials-into-the-colosseum-12910150

    get the lions!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    ping said:

    For the sake of balance shouldn't there be a Dislike button?

    Just get rid of the “like” button altogether, imo.
    +1
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Andy_JS said:

    "Former prime minister Liz Truss has called on the government to have a plan in place in case the Russian government under Vladimir Putin collapses."

    https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-calls-for-uk-to-have-plan-if-russia-collapses-after-wagner-mutiny-12910004

    What the fuck is she expecting Sunak to do about nuclear armed Yugoslavia x 10? Another five point plan? Linkedin post?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Former prime minister Liz Truss has called on the government to have a plan in place in case the Russian government under Vladimir Putin collapses."

    https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-calls-for-uk-to-have-plan-if-russia-collapses-after-wagner-mutiny-12910004

    There are *seven* living former PMs. Times be weird
    Could easily be eight before the next election.
    It will almost certainly be at least eight after it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Nigelb said:

    IMO everyone should take a moment today to read about + celebrate the life of John Goodenough:

    - Served in WW2
    - PhD with Enrico Fermi
    - in his 30's, helped create RAM
    - At 58, invented Lithium-Ion batteries
    - At 97, oldest Nobel laureate ever
    - Lived to 100, almost 101

    RIP to a great man with the best last name any engineer should aspire to

    https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1673363453598400512

    A life cut all too short.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Dura_Ace said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Former prime minister Liz Truss has called on the government to have a plan in place in case the Russian government under Vladimir Putin collapses."

    https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-calls-for-uk-to-have-plan-if-russia-collapses-after-wagner-mutiny-12910004

    What the fuck is she expecting Sunak to do about nuclear armed Yugoslavia x 10? Another five point plan? Linkedin post?
    People do seem remarkably optimistic about the possible collapse of the Russian state.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,579
    darkage said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Former prime minister Liz Truss has called on the government to have a plan in place in case the Russian government under Vladimir Putin collapses."

    https://news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-calls-for-uk-to-have-plan-if-russia-collapses-after-wagner-mutiny-12910004

    What the fuck is she expecting Sunak to do about nuclear armed Yugoslavia x 10? Another five point plan? Linkedin post?
    People do seem remarkably optimistic about the possible collapse of the Russian state.
    I'm not optimistic about it; I'm not pessimistic about it.

    What I do think is that what happens next to Russia should not affect our thinking, as that is up to the Russians. What is our concern is ensuring a Ukrainian victory over the fascists. That is the morally right thin to do, both for the present and the future.

    A lot of this 'Oh, Russia might collapse and there'll be nukes everywhere!" is just coding for "I want Russia to win."
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Perhaps, as a matter of policy, we should all grow up and stop chasing cheap 'likes.'

    If you agree, like this post to show your approval and send a message.
    How do you chase a "like" please
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    LOL, some of Scotch experts called this right, again.

    EU rebuffs Humza Yousaf’s plan for Scottish envoy

    First minister will have UK ‘babysitter’ for talks in Brussels


    Brussels has undermined an important strand of Humza Yousaf’s independence strategy by saying it will refuse to negotiate with any politicians not authorised by the UK government.

    The first minister outlined his plans to send an envoy to the European Union to “prepare the ground for Scotland to become an independent member state of the EU” during his speech to party members on Saturday in Dundee.

    Yousaf travelled to Brussels, his first overseas trip since taking office, where he was attending an inward investment dinner with members of the British Chamber of Commerce.

    On Wednesday Yousaf is due to meet Maros Sefcovic, the vice-president of the European Commission, but he will be “babysat” by the UK’s most senior diplomat in Brussels....

    ...In a blow to Yousaf, EU sources rejected the prospect of the European Commission, the executive arm of the bloc, taking part in separation talks when asked about the first minister’s suggestions for an envoy.

    “The EU as such deals only with the official governments of third countries,” a source said. “Of course we welcome the friendship of our Scottish friends and stand ready to engage with all parts of the UK within this new cycle of our relationship.”

    The EU regards “third countries” as non-members of the bloc, which in this case would be the UK with Scotland deemed a “region” within the state.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/humza-yousaf-scottish-representative-eu-plan-rejected-lbdctjc68
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    edited June 2023
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Perhaps, as a matter of policy, we should all grow up and stop chasing cheap 'likes.'

    If you agree, like this post to show your approval and send a message.
    How do you chase a "like" please
    In your case, threaten to bombard us with ballistic turnips.

    Incidentally looks like Leon was wrong and the like button is popular.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,055
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Perhaps, as a matter of policy, we should all grow up and stop chasing cheap 'likes.'

    If you agree, like this post to show your approval and send a message.
    How do you chase a "like" please
    In your case, threaten to bombard us with ballistic turnips.

    Incidentally looks like Leon was wrong and the like button is popular.
    What Like button?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    +1
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Really? I use the like button, where someone has responded to one of my posts, to thank that poster and say that I've read his or her reply, even if I do not disagree with it. More people should use this system rather than the banal "thanks" or the even worse ding-dong type debates about how many people go to which church in which corner of the anglosphere. Honestly, who cares, unless you are going into the hymn book business? It is this sort of repetitive to-and-fro argument that ruins pb imo and if the like button helps avoid it, that is surely worthwhile. It is the flashed headlights of pb. It means whatever you take it to mean.

    ETA and often I use it to mean that I do like a post.
    I never ever gave it a thought before other than to give a like when I thought post was good, but see I have over 5K , do I get a badge or certificate or something.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    ping said:

    For the sake of balance shouldn't there be a Dislike button?

    Just get rid of the “like” button altogether, imo.
    Definitely need a "Merde" Button
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    Well done Donald. It’s really smart to be recorded saying you have a load of documents you haven’t declassified.

    Trump heard on CNN tape discussing secret documents
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66027036
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Perhaps, as a matter of policy, we should all grow up and stop chasing cheap 'likes.'

    If you agree, like this post to show your approval and send a message.
    How do you chase a "like" please
    In your case, threaten to bombard us with ballistic turnips.

    Incidentally looks like Leon was wrong and the like button is popular.
    It's only popular in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Sorted that for you.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Sorted that for you.
    And I can’t even like it 🙁
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Wagner will be on their way to see you shortly. Hyfud is servicing the tanks as we speak.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    WTF!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    -2
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    Can I just say that I like the Like button. And emojis.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
    There is a lot of debate in how to optimise participation for appointments. Open booked appointments are more flexible and tend to have better utilisation. Firm appointments do seem to work better with some subgroups.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    Unrelated to the removal of the like button I expect Radiohead to be dissed in a weekend thread header.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,055
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
    There is a lot of debate in how to optimise participation for appointments. Open booked appointments are more flexible and tend to have better utilisation. Firm appointments do seem to work better with some subgroups.
    Also, the benefits of screening mammography are fairly marginal.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    You radical.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    edited June 2023
    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,941

    Can I just say that I like the Like button. And emojis.

    +1
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Wagner will be on their way to see you shortly. Hyfud is servicing the tanks as we speak.
    I wanted to like @malcolmg post and I can't. Having a nervous breakdown.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
    There is a lot of debate in how to optimise participation for appointments. Open booked appointments are more flexible and tend to have better utilisation. Firm appointments do seem to work better with some subgroups.
    Also, the benefits of screening mammography are fairly marginal.
    Anecdotal only I appreciate, but it saved my wife on her very first routine screening. No symptoms.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    ydoethur said:

    Well done Donald. It’s really smart to be recorded saying you have a load of documents you haven’t declassified.

    Trump heard on CNN tape discussing secret documents
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66027036

    Including at least one which has never reappeared.
    Also he's brilliant at establishing mens rea (even if that isn't needed for some of the offences he's charged with)

    https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/06/27/the-milley-tape-bring-some-cokes-in-please/
    ...Trump and his aide joke about Hillary printing this out and sending it to Anthony Weiner. That’s unsurprising: Trump always rationalized his own mistreatment of information by pointing to Hillary’s email server (this Roger Parloff post is a remarkably thorough debunking of Trump’s claims).

    But understand how this comment will appear against the context of the five attacks on Hillary Trump used to get elected, cited in the indictment.

    Jack Smith plans to use Trump’s past condemnation of Hillary to show that Trump knew this was wrongful. So even his false quip about Weiner will make this evidence more valuable...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    kamski said:

    viewcode said:

    @HYUFD and others in the EU discussion

    If you map Catholicism against Protestant history in Europe, it lines up with the intensity of Euroscepticism, with the fault line going thru Ireland, around England, then approximately along the Hanseatic League. It was unofficially understood that the first President would have to be Catholic and it was rumoured that this was a function in Blair's conversion.

    Where are you getting this from? I see surveys showing the most eurosceptic EU countries are usually eg Greece, Italy, France, Hungary, Austria.
    All of the above except Hungary are in the Eurozone, even if they are most hostile to immigration
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    It would raise the average standard of cricket at Lord’s though.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
    There is a lot of debate in how to optimise participation for appointments. Open booked appointments are more flexible and tend to have better utilisation. Firm appointments do seem to work better with some subgroups.
    Also, the benefits of screening mammography are fairly marginal.
    Yes, and increasingly marginal with improved therapy:

    https://academic.oup.com/eurpub/article/32/4/630/6609838
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,892
    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    A sad day in the annals of taking Leon seriously.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    kjh said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
    There is a lot of debate in how to optimise participation for appointments. Open booked appointments are more flexible and tend to have better utilisation. Firm appointments do seem to work better with some subgroups.
    Also, the benefits of screening mammography are fairly marginal.
    Anecdotal only I appreciate, but it saved my wife on her very first routine screening. No symptoms.
    +157.3
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    It's the "off topic" that you really wanted rid of.
  • geoffw said:

    Likes and emojis are the infantilisation of mature debate

    🤪🍆
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,631
    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited June 2023

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer. Nor should private schools have to apologise for producing a disproportionate level of top professional cricketers.

  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    edited June 2023
    Got to say the only thing replacing the like button with a wtf button is going to do is to highlight how batshit crazy most of HUYFD’s posts are.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Seriously, Robert, that's a mistake.

    I often use the like button as an acknowledge or to show agreement when I haven't the time to post.

    Please put it back.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    edited June 2023
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,579

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Seriously, Robert, that's a mistake.

    I often use the like button as an acknowledge or to show agreement when I haven't the time to post.

    Please put it back.
    +1
  • rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    👍👍👍👍
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    edited June 2023

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    A sad day in the annals of taking Leon seriously.
    Agree. I don't even think he meant it. He only said it when I pointed out a post of mine which he called tedious had more likes than any he had received in the last few days and as @DougSeal pointed out he continuously points it out when his spectator articles top the popularity list, so he clearly likes 'likes'

    I just find them a nice way of showing appreciation for a post.

    Hope they come back but in the meantime I'm using WTF.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,075
    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Please put it back. The new "wtf" button does not make sense. It makes it difficult to react to a post and makes interacting with a post unpleasant. If a poster announces a death in the family or another unpleasant life life event, as many do these days, I now no longer have a way to courteously react. Please stop this WTF, it is a silly change that makes the site unpleasant.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,788
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Punter, aye, and avoids the thread-clogging of just saying "I agree."
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Seriously, Robert, that's a mistake.

    I often use the like button as an acknowledge or to show agreement when I haven't the time to post.

    Please put it back.
    +1 - I like posts that are interesting that don’t need replies to - it’s a means of saying thanks / interesting / I laughed without polluting the thread with a comment.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited June 2023
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    You need goalposts and pitches even to play football.

    If West Indians prefer basketball to cricket that is also hardly evidence of 'institutional racism' in cricket either, by contrast in India cricket is still thriving and hugely popular
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited June 2023
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for the same reasons.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for similar reasons.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    You need goalposts and pitches even to play football.

    If West Indians prefer basketball to cricket that is also hardly evidence of 'institutional racism' in cricket either, by contrast in India cricket is still thriving and hugely popular
    I didn’t say it was - it’s more evidence that the TV they got cones direct from the States so American sports dominate their TV viewing.

    Guadeloupe is probably the only exception because they get French TV there and almost every town ‘ village has a football pitch with small grandstand attached.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    For those who recall the 80s series Brass, HYUFD sometimes reminds me of George Fairchild, assiduously defending a privilege he will never share.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Seriously, Robert, that's a mistake.

    I often use the like button as an acknowledge or to show agreement when I haven't the time to post.

    Please put it back.
    Yes. Please do so.

    The WTF button is stupid.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    👍👍👍👍
    👎👎👎👎👎👎
  • Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
    There is a lot of debate in how to optimise participation for appointments. Open booked appointments are more flexible and tend to have better utilisation. Firm appointments do seem to work better with some subgroups.
    Also, the benefits of screening mammography are fairly marginal.
    That may be the case, but my wife had no symptoms, and a routine mammogram picked her breast cancer up. Probably saved her life.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,892
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    No, it is because they took cricket off free terrestrial telly where it was replaced by US college basketball. Turns out kids copy what they see on screen.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Seriously, Robert, that's a mistake.

    I often use the like button as an acknowledge or to show agreement when I haven't the time to post.

    Please put it back.
    +1 - I like posts that are interesting that don’t need replies to - it’s a means of saying thanks / interesting / I laughed without polluting the thread with a comment.
    +1.83 - I agree with five sixths of that comment and am ambivalent about the other quarter. And Sunak was completely wrong about remedial maths by the way.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,055
    kjh said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
    There is a lot of debate in how to optimise participation for appointments. Open booked appointments are more flexible and tend to have better utilisation. Firm appointments do seem to work better with some subgroups.
    Also, the benefits of screening mammography are fairly marginal.
    Anecdotal only I appreciate, but it saved my wife on her very first routine screening. No symptoms.
    I’m very glad your wife is well.

    What is the counter-factual here? There are two possibilities for what would have happened without screening. First case: she would have experienced symptoms at some point and sought help. She then would have been treated. Probably, she would have had the same outcome. Breast cancer treatments have (thankfully) improved greatly over the years, so the benefits of an earlier diagnosis have shrunk. Obviously, even if the number of women were early diagnosis makes a difference is small, if you’re one of that group, it really matters!

    Second case: the tumour wouldn’t have done anything, she never would have had symptoms. We know screening picks up cases that would never develop into something of import. We just can’t tell which cases those are.

    So, lots of women are diagnosed outwith screening. Some are diagnosed through screening, but the benefit of an earlier detection is small because treatments are better. Meanwhile, over-diagnosis from screening is a definite problem. There are, of course, costs to a screening programme: both in terms of money that could be spent on other approaches (more education for what symptoms to look out for) and in terms of exposure to ionising radiation (screening mammography involves 4 X-rays). There is a debate in the literature about the precise benefits and costs. The current UK position is that the benefits do outweigh the costs, but I think most researchers accept that it’s close.

    Is there anything that can be done to improve screening mammography? AI is getting better at interpreting mammograms. The false negative rate is very low already, but that could be made lower. There’s the possibility of reducing the big false positive rate. It will also cut the cost if we can move away from the current double reading system (every mammogram independently looked at by two professionals). Lower dose X-rays are a possibility. On the flip side, treatments for breast cancer (thankfully) keep getting better, which erode the benefit of early diagnosis.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    You need goalposts and pitches even to play football.

    If West Indians prefer basketball to cricket that is also hardly evidence of 'institutional racism' in cricket either, by contrast in India cricket is still thriving and hugely popular
    I didn’t say it was - it’s more evidence that the TV they got cones direct ...
    Is cones direct their equivalent of the cones hotline ?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited June 2023
    Morning everyone.

    The US Senator Marco Rubio says that David Grusch is not the only one who has testified that the U.S. is in possesion of non-human technology.

    https://twitter.com/StandForBetter/status/1673515200107151360
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    Parody Rishi Sunak
    @Parody_PM
    ·
    15h
    I am delighted to announce a long term workforce plan for the NHS, the first stage of which is to overrule the pay review bodies and give everyone another real terms pay cut.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited June 2023
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Lab leak debunked then, I see.

    Not really; rather the certainty, and some of the previously bruited reasons for it, have been exploded.
    Either hypothesis remains possible.
    The notable thing about the latest U.S. Intelligence report on potential links between WIV and the COVID 19 epidemic is that it doesn't give any real reason to believe there was a lab leak. None of the known viruses the lab was working on was close to Covid 19; researchers at the Institute fell appear to have fallen ill from normal seasonal diseases.

    Unless the DNI is withholding information, you wouldn't actually believe from the report there was a lab leak, rather than the species jump that is the origin of every single other epidemic, if the lab leak narrative hadn't already taken hold.

    https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2023/item/2393-odni-releases-report-on-the-potential-links-between-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology-and-the-origin-of-covid-19
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    edited June 2023
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    End of a stressful day. Needed to clear my father's house fast as the new owners want to complete asap and I don't want to cause any delays so I haven't replied to any comments from the last thread so:

    @Mortimer - Thank you for your kind post. Appreciated. My dad died aged 96 in February. Just the selling of the house now, which has suddenly turned manic.

    @Stuartinromford - I agree completely with your post re maths and eventually everyone hits the buffers in the end, it is just a matter of when. Definitely happened to me. If I had my time again I would do a joint degree of maths with economics or philosophy to put off hitting the maths buffers.

    @HYUFD - Thanks for the link re philosophy degree & logic questions. I'm interested but the link didn't work - Page not found. One thing to note (and I say this without having read the link) is the logic you do in a maths degree is far more advanced than stuff you do in a philosophy degree (or in particular questions they may set in an interview) by the nature of the prerequisites. In fact the notation itself will be gibberish without the previous preparation. That is not to say a question set in an interview will not be as difficult, it might in fact be more difficult. There are plenty of everyday logic questions I can't do that an untrained but clever person can do, but which doesn't involve complex logic. And as you know, I don't have a logic degree (I don't even know if such a thing exists), but said it as a riposte to @Miklosvar, although my specialist subjects in my 2nd & 3rd year of maths were all logic topics.

    @TheScreamingEagles - I enjoyed your post on deciding your degree/career.

    @DecrepiterJohnL - Your post about many Doctors regretting their choice and moving to other careers. I agree. They are often talented in several areas and it follows from my argument of going down the science line first and then wishing they had done something they had more passion for. For most of us we do a degree, and move on, but for a Doctor it is a career. There are so many in the public eye who are ex-Doctors doing non doctoring stuff. My wife (a doctor) often feels the same.

    @Miklosvar - You are an arse. When you first appeared on PB I had a pointless pedantic exchange with you and decided to avoid you. Today I made a half serious comment for comic effect that was at the expense of historians/lawyers and people like @TheScreamingEagles and @ydoethur respond accordingly, in fun. You on the other hand responded appallingly, as you nearly always do. I've noticed you have done this with others. With @kinabalu for instance. And your reaction and jumping to the wrong conclusion when I politely said I had to leave for a few hours, but would reply on my return, was an example. Would you have preferred it if I had been rude and just ignored you.

    You're rude, pedantic, irrational, and tangential. You appear to be an exceedingly unpleasant person. Not bad going for someone who has only made a few hundred posts.

    That being said, he is funnier than you
    Are you all right @Leon? That is not up to your usual standard. Even when I disagree with you I still really enjoy your prose; but that?
    I wasn't trying to be clever, or witty, or indeed anything - simply pointing out a relevant truth you had carelessly omitted in your 19 paragraph Screed of Tedium
    You mean that tedium that has got more likes than any of your posts for the last few days. Just saying.
    The definition of Tragedy is: adding up your likes

    This is why I asked @rcs1000 to remove the LIKE button. Likes encourage cant, and banal emotion, and the herd mentality, and sad, crowdpleasing drivel, they are scout badges for inadequate morons, but, you know, well done
    Perhaps, as a matter of policy, we should all grow up and stop chasing cheap 'likes.'

    If you agree, like this post to show your approval and send a message.
    How do you chase a "like" please
    By posting a comment that generates likes - except I can’t think of any poster that actually does that - I’m probably closest when I take jokes from elsewhere and post them here but I do that because I know some people here will appreciate it and probably don’t frequent the same sites I visit..
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Nigelb said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    You need goalposts and pitches even to play football.

    If West Indians prefer basketball to cricket that is also hardly evidence of 'institutional racism' in cricket either, by contrast in India cricket is still thriving and hugely popular
    I didn’t say it was - it’s more evidence that the TV they got cones direct ...
    Is cones direct their equivalent of the cones hotline ?
    Comes direct - grr autocorrect can really screw a comment up
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    edited June 2023

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    viewcode said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ok you bastards.

    I've removed "like".

    Please put it back. The new "wtf" button does not make sense. It makes it difficult to react to a post and makes interacting with a post unpleasant. If a poster announces a death in the family or another unpleasant life life event, as many do these days, I now no longer have a way to courteously react. Please stop this WTF, it is a silly change that makes the site unpleasant.
    You thought it was courteous to 'like' a post showing a death in the family?

    That seems a bit odd.

    I usually liked the first one saying 'condolences.' It said what I wanted to and saved multiple replies.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,579

    Morning everyone.

    The US Senator Marco Rubio says that David Grusch is not the only one that has testified that the U.S. is in possesion of non-human technology.

    https://twitter.com/StandForBetter/status/1673515200107151360

    So? I'll testify that you and Leon are idiots who habitually wear tinfoil hats. Are we correct? ;)
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 882

    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Punter, aye, and avoids the thread-clogging of just saying "I agree."

    I agree!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    And time. Cricket is a wonderful thing, but it takes ages and the physical activity per minute ratio is pretty low.

    To fit in a standard PE lesson, you would need to play something like... The Twenty. Not twenty overs an innings, but twenty balls.

    Sorry to bring up the concept, @ydoethur.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786

    kjh said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
    There is a lot of debate in how to optimise participation for appointments. Open booked appointments are more flexible and tend to have better utilisation. Firm appointments do seem to work better with some subgroups.
    Also, the benefits of screening mammography are fairly marginal.
    Anecdotal only I appreciate, but it saved my wife on her very first routine screening. No symptoms.
    I’m very glad your wife is well.

    What is the counter-factual here? There are two possibilities for what would have happened without screening. First case: she would have experienced symptoms at some point and sought help. She then would have been treated. Probably, she would have had the same outcome. Breast cancer treatments have (thankfully) improved greatly over the years, so the benefits of an earlier diagnosis have shrunk. Obviously, even if the number of women were early diagnosis makes a difference is small, if you’re one of that group, it really matters!

    Second case: the tumour wouldn’t have done anything, she never would have had symptoms. We know screening picks up cases that would never develop into something of import. We just can’t tell which cases those are.

    So, lots of women are diagnosed outwith screening. Some are diagnosed through screening, but the benefit of an earlier detection is small because treatments are better. Meanwhile, over-diagnosis from screening is a definite problem. There are, of course, costs to a screening programme: both in terms of money that could be spent on other approaches (more education for what symptoms to look out for) and in terms of exposure to ionising radiation (screening mammography involves 4 X-rays). There is a debate in the literature about the precise benefits and costs. The current UK position is that the benefits do outweigh the costs, but I think most researchers accept that it’s close.

    Is there anything that can be done to improve screening mammography? AI is getting better at interpreting mammograms. The false negative rate is very low already, but that could be made lower. There’s the possibility of reducing the big false positive rate. It will also cut the cost if we can move away from the current double reading system (every mammogram independently looked at by two professionals). Lower dose X-rays are a possibility. On the flip side, treatments for breast cancer (thankfully) keep getting better, which erode the benefit of early diagnosis.
    Agree with all of that.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,055
    Miklosvar said:

    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for the same reasons.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    Baseball overtook cricket during the US Civil War for similar rea

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    WTF? I think ‘awesome’ is way worse than ‘like.’ So twee.

    Just need a LEON button now
    Has Leon apologised for being wrong on the lab leak?

    U.S. Intelligence Report Finds No Clear Evidence of Covid Origins in Wuhan Lab.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html
    It says no clear evidence. AOEINEOA. What clear evidence could there be anyway? CCTV of avirus sneaking out of the back door?
    Clear evidence could be in the genome of the virus. It could be in lab staff having been shown to have fallen ill with COVID-19. It could be in the pattern of early cases clustering around the lab/lab staff. It could be paperwork or messages found saying they were working on a particular virus.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    kjh said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Actually that chart shows little difference overall in NHS waiting times between recent Labour or Tory governments, except they were a bit lower under Labour in 2009-10 and are a bit higher under the Conservatives now (albeit Covid added to the problem).

    Well done for going private though, the more higher income people take out private health insurance and use private hospitals, the less the pressure on the NHS. Best wishes for your recovery after your op.

    I don't know where you learned maths but trebling is not "a bit" and being north of the worst in 30 years and accelerating is not "little difference".

    Still, well done on congratulating OGH for going private, I am sure that has aided his recovery and eased the pain in his wallet no end.
    What Australia does is charge higher income individuals a surcharge of 1% to 1.5% of income if they do not take out private health insurance.

    The Tories should follow the example of the Coalition Howard government in Australia in 1997 which introduced that so more can follow the excellent example of OGH, go private and cut pressure on the NHS.

    The Howard government in 1999 also contributed up to 30% of the private health insurance premium of people with their Medicare universal health coverage
    Keir Starmer is actually praying they take this advice.

    It would be the most brutal defeat of a governing, or recently governing, party since Baldwin managed to reduce Labour from 287 MPs to 50 in 1931.
    It got the Howard government re elected.

    There is little point being a Conservative if you don't pursue more conservative policies is there? Conservatives believe in choice in public services with private options too, in healthcare as much as anything else
    I know the weather's been a bit warm recently, but I can assure you we are not in Australia.
    Culturally we are probably closer to Australia than any other nation on earth except maybe New Zealand.

    There is also no point the Tories fighting a battle on who will spend more on the NHS, as Labour will always win it as they are more willing to raise tax higher to pay for it.

    The Tories should instead shift the argument to encouraging patient choice in healthcare too
    Why not focus on something sensible like prevention education, or health surveillance monitoring before the medical event becomes out of control?

    Everything this Government touches is reactive rather than proactive. Maybe there is more opportunity for grift in reaction rather than proaction.
    Smokers and ex smokers 55 - 74 to receive cancer screening is a good decision

    https://news.sky.com/story/smokers-and-ex-smokers-aged-55-74-to-be-offered-free-lung-cancer-screenings-12909605
    On the other hand Susanna Reid explains mammogram screening is now by invitation to make an appointment rather than to attend a firm appointment.

    https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/health-and-fitness/496313/gmb-susanna-reid-health-confession-sarah-ferguson-cancer-diagnosis/
    There is a lot of debate in how to optimise participation for appointments. Open booked appointments are more flexible and tend to have better utilisation. Firm appointments do seem to work better with some subgroups.
    Also, the benefits of screening mammography are fairly marginal.
    Anecdotal only I appreciate, but it saved my wife on her very first routine screening. No symptoms.

    ...Is there anything that can be done to improve screening mammography? AI is getting better at interpreting mammograms. The false negative rate is very low already, but that could be made lower. There’s the possibility of reducing the big false positive rate. It will also cut the cost if we can move away from the current double reading system (every mammogram independently looked at by two professionals). Lower dose X-rays are a possibility. On the flip side, treatments for breast cancer (thankfully) keep getting better, which erode the benefit of early diagnosis.
    The other wild card is molecular screening of blood samples to detect cancer signals.
    The technology is in its infancy - and subject to the same caveats about unnecessary and possibly debilitating therapy in a large number of cases - but the NHS has already run one large scale trial, and there will be many more, as the technology becomes more discriminating.
    For something like pancreatic cancer, where it's almost always too late for successful treatment once symptoms occur, it could be a game changer in a relatively short timeframe.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    English cricket stands accused of being racist, sexist and elitist at its core in a damning report that immediately forced an unreserved apology from authorities.

    In its landmark 316-page review, the Independent Commission for Equity in Cricket demands “urgent reform” while laying bare deep-rooted discrimination across the game.

    The England and Wales Cricket Board, which is found to be “unfit for purpose” in tackling discrimination complaints, accepts the findings will “shock and disappoint many”.

    Among 44 separate recommendations for the ECB, the report took aim at the sport’s establishment, by finding:

    Women have been abandoned as “second-class citizens”, routinely experiencing misogyny with “unequal access, pay and treatment”.

    As a result, the ECB must oversee equal pay on average at domestic level by 2029 and international by 2030.

    Dominance of private schools in cricket’s talent pathway plays a key role in determining “discriminatory outcomes across the game”.

    On that basis, the MCC should scrap the annual fixtures between Eton and Harrow as well as Oxford and Cambridge at Lord’s.

    Racism is “entrenched”, with 75 per cent of black and more than 80 per cent of Asian cricketers experiencing discrimination.

    Cricket’s complaints systems are “confusing”, “overly defensive” and “not fit for purpose” for both victims and those accused.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2023/06/27/english-cricket-ecb-racist-sexist-elitist-report-commission/

    Scrapping the Eton and Harrow and Oxford and Cambridge matches would be outrageous and do nothing to resolve any of the problems identified in the report anyway
    I agree, third rate dumps like Harrow and Oxford need their moment in the sun.
    It is also hardly private schools fault most state schools prefer to play football than cricket even in the summer.
    Children prefer football, it doesn’t require pitches to be prepared and doesn’t require more equipment.

    Heck most schools switched to softball for the reasons above 20 odd years ago

    You will note that cricket is dying in the West Indies because basketball require less equipment and less space.
    And time. Cricket is a wonderful thing, but it takes ages and the physical activity per minute ratio is pretty low.

    To fit in a standard PE lesson, you would need to play something like... The Twenty. Not twenty overs an innings, but twenty balls.

    Sorry to bring up the concept, @ydoethur.
    Twenty balls is OK, it's a hundred balls that works out as a load of balls.
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