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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    Umpire Raza waits an eternity to give a decision, not for the first time.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    Damn, we needed 50 from Bairstow
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,121
    edited June 2023
    Skyeman said:

    Wankers.

    Conservative activists filmed dancing at a Christmas party during Covid restrictions in 2020 were invited to "Jingle and Mingle" according to an invite seen by the BBC.

    The invitation was sent to 30 people on behalf of Shaun Bailey's campaign for Mayor of London.

    At the time London was under Tier-2 restrictions when indoor socialising was banned.

    Police are reviewing video of the event first published by the Mirror.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65952298

    I remember Christmas Day 2020.
    We went to the inlaws for one hour to see them.
    We then went to my parents to see them, again for one hour.

    No one else was there at the time of either visit.
    Even then I suspected what we'd done wasn't quite allowed (I couldn't really remember) and it was the most subdued Christmas ever.

    Seems I should've just had the usual massive family gathering and not given a hoot.......
    Still dont understand the anger from people who let their relatives die alone. The fact they let their relatives die alone says everything about them rather than the govt. What sort of people let their loved ones die alone.
    I believe Aaron Bell, MP had some pungent things to say on associated matters:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7bVGBbDZM0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nrJvWfSQ68
  • SkyemanSkyeman Posts: 13
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    There is a big debate to be had on sex education in schools Leon, when is the right age for what topics and if it should be voluntary.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,902
    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    Your Home Secretary is pandering to the same type of voter.
    Pub displays Gollywogs with "our punters like them"
    Essex Police intervene
    Braverman's team brief the press that she has admonished Essex police

    That she hadn't done so isn't the issue. She *said* she had done so. Why? Because your party wants the votes of the Golliwog-supporting voter, same as Lozza Fox.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,492
    Skyeman said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    There is a big debate to be had on sex education in schools Leon, when is the right age for what topics and if it should be voluntary.
    From Landsend to Skye in less than a day. Impressive stuff.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    Skyeman said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    There is a big debate to be had on sex education in schools Leon, when is the right age for what topics and if it should be voluntary.
    I don't believe sexualised drag shows, with nudity, quasi nudity, physical interaction, touching, or faked sex acts, should be anwyhere near kids under 14. Maybe even 16

    Certainly NOT kids under ten or even 6!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Any sign of a private deal between Nad and Rishi to hang on for a peerage when parliament is dissolved?

    Starmer was on the radio this morning saying he will not distribute honours when he is PM. I think that includes Rishi's resignation list.
    Oh do fuck off Keir. You nominated Tom Watson to the Lords. You are in no position to throw stones over honours lists.
    Watson got it wrong. How many PBers were piling on to that police watchdog chap who was charged the other day? He's not been convicted yet either.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    DRS relatively far better for spinners compared to quick bowlers I think as height unlikely to be an issue which is probably the biggest source of error from umpires in the bowler's favour compared to pitching outside the line where the batsman was erred toward too much by a human compared to a machine.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    We need utter heroics from Stokes, or this test is surely lost
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599
    boulay said:

    Skyeman said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    There is a big debate to be had on sex education in schools Leon, when is the right age for what topics and if it should be voluntary.
    From Landsend to Skye in less than a day. Impressive stuff.
    PB’s getting the daily updates now, amazing that they think this forum is so influential.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Nope, it was the sex workers putting on shows in front of children, that convinced me that people were doing sex shows in front of children.
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1666142149732192257
    The entire raison d'etre of libsoftiktok is to take either fake or out of context videos and put the worst spin on them and claim it is evidence of children viewing sex shows.

    Pride was not originally a "celebration of gay rights" it was always a protest against oppression and heteronormativity, and has always had shouts of "what about straight pride month" or "why do they need a whole month" from people who (whilst not saying it out loud) probably don't like gay people that much.

    This is all clearly a manufactured outrage created in a post same-sex marriage, post Roe environment where the GOP keep trying to find wedge culture issues to divide people and keep the most violent members of their base riled up to do random acts of terror. Trump in the 2016 primary got on stage with a pride flag and made the argument that protecting LGBT+ people was important because only those evil Muslims want to hurt the gays, whilst the US is all for freedom. If he did that now he'd be called a groomer. (He also noted at a recent rally that people clapped more when he mentioned trans people than they did for tax cuts or other things, and that 5 years ago people didn't care and had never heard about the trans issue).

    If you like tiktok so much as a source, maybe you should look up this lawyer who has started doing a weekly round up of individuals arrested for child sex abuse and noting their occupation / relation to their victim (lots of pastors, priests and even police - no drag queens):

    https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/03/17/kristen-prata-browde-tiktok-drag-queens-child-sex-abuse/

    The groomer rhetoric is projection - US conservatives love grooming, and are more than happy for adults to marry 14 year olds and consummate the marriage, or carry their rapists baby to term, or give fathers the ultimate power over the family (considering that the vast majority of child sexual abuse happens within the family and not outside of it). Indeed you need only look at examples like the Duggar's where one of the sons was sexually abusing his sisters and they and the church covered it up and blamed the girls for being too enticing to him. The inability for conservatives to really confront where most child sexual abuse happens - the conservative bastions of the family and the church - forces them to create fake enemies who must really be the perpetrators for them to blame. And it always happens to be people they hate anyway; what a surprise!
  • Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    Other than the second video, which I very much doubt the authenticity of, I'm not seeing anything in those more risqué than you'd see in Hawaii with Hula girls etc

    Is it only an issue when people in drag put on shows? Or when girls do too?
  • SkyemanSkyeman Posts: 13

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    Your Home Secretary is pandering to the same type of voter.
    Pub displays Gollywogs with "our punters like them"
    Essex Police intervene
    Braverman's team brief the press that she has admonished Essex police

    That she hadn't done so isn't the issue. She *said* she had done so. Why? Because your party wants the votes of the Golliwog-supporting voter, same as Lozza Fox.
    They might want their votes but the tories will never enact policies the golliwog loving voter wants. Which makes the golliwog loving voter seem a bit of a fool.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    edited June 2023
    148grss said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Nope, it was the sex workers putting on shows in front of children, that convinced me that people were doing sex shows in front of children.
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1666142149732192257
    The entire raison d'etre of libsoftiktok is to take either fake or out of context videos and put the worst spin on them and claim it is evidence of children viewing sex shows.

    Pride was not originally a "celebration of gay rights" it was always a protest against oppression and heteronormativity, and has always had shouts of "what about straight pride month" or "why do they need a whole month" from people who (whilst not saying it out loud) probably don't like gay people that much.

    This is all clearly a manufactured outrage created in a post same-sex marriage, post Roe environment where the GOP keep trying to find wedge culture issues to divide people and keep the most violent members of their base riled up to do random acts of terror. Trump in the 2016 primary got on stage with a pride flag and made the argument that protecting LGBT+ people was important because only those evil Muslims want to hurt the gays, whilst the US is all for freedom. If he did that now he'd be called a groomer. (He also noted at a recent rally that people clapped more when he mentioned trans people than they did for tax cuts or other things, and that 5 years ago people didn't care and had never heard about the trans issue).

    If you like tiktok so much as a source, maybe you should look up this lawyer who has started doing a weekly round up of individuals arrested for child sex abuse and noting their occupation / relation to their victim (lots of pastors, priests and even police - no drag queens):

    https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/03/17/kristen-prata-browde-tiktok-drag-queens-child-sex-abuse/

    The groomer rhetoric is projection - US conservatives love grooming, and are more than happy for adults to marry 14 year olds and consummate the marriage, or carry their rapists baby to term, or give fathers the ultimate power over the family (considering that the vast majority of child sexual abuse happens within the family and not outside of it). Indeed you need only look at examples like the Duggar's where one of the sons was sexually abusing his sisters and they and the church covered it up and blamed the girls for being too enticing to him. The inability for conservatives to really confront where most child sexual abuse happens - the conservative bastions of the family and the church - forces them to create fake enemies who must really be the perpetrators for them to blame. And it always happens to be people they hate anyway; what a surprise!
    I've never seen a fake from "libsofTikTok" and nor have I seen any taken outrageously out of context. They may exist but they can't be frequent because I follow her account (as I follow her opponent: chudsoftiktok, for balance - the latter isn't so good, funny, or ridic)

    LibsofTikTok's whole shtick is that she simply takes real videos posted by mad Woke lefties and serves them up without comment, so they are condemned by their own words

    You may perhaps be thinking of another account
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599
    edited June 2023
    148grss said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Nope, it was the sex workers putting on shows in front of children, that convinced me that people were doing sex shows in front of children.
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1666142149732192257
    The entire raison d'etre of libsoftiktok is to take either fake or out of context videos and put the worst spin on them and claim it is evidence of children viewing sex shows.

    Pride was not originally a "celebration of gay rights" it was always a protest against oppression and heteronormativity, and has always had shouts of "what about straight pride month" or "why do they need a whole month" from people who (whilst not saying it out loud) probably don't like gay people that much.

    This is all clearly a manufactured outrage created in a post same-sex marriage, post Roe environment where the GOP keep trying to find wedge culture issues to divide people and keep the most violent members of their base riled up to do random acts of terror. Trump in the 2016 primary got on stage with a pride flag and made the argument that protecting LGBT+ people was important because only those evil Muslims want to hurt the gays, whilst the US is all for freedom. If he did that now he'd be called a groomer. (He also noted at a recent rally that people clapped more when he mentioned trans people than they did for tax cuts or other things, and that 5 years ago people didn't care and had never heard about the trans issue).

    If you like tiktok so much as a source, maybe you should look up this lawyer who has started doing a weekly round up of individuals arrested for child sex abuse and noting their occupation / relation to their victim (lots of pastors, priests and even police - no drag queens):

    https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/03/17/kristen-prata-browde-tiktok-drag-queens-child-sex-abuse/

    The groomer rhetoric is projection - US conservatives love grooming, and are more than happy for adults to marry 14 year olds and consummate the marriage, or carry their rapists baby to term, or give fathers the ultimate power over the family (considering that the vast majority of child sexual abuse happens within the family and not outside of it). Indeed you need only look at examples like the Duggar's where one of the sons was sexually abusing his sisters and they and the church covered it up and blamed the girls for being too enticing to him. The inability for conservatives to really confront where most child sexual abuse happens - the conservative bastions of the family and the church - forces them to create fake enemies who must really be the perpetrators for them to blame. And it always happens to be people they hate anyway; what a surprise!
    The LibsOfTikTok account is publishing nothing original, simply re-publishing what these people themselves post, but for a different audience.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    GIN1138 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Any sign of a private deal between Nad and Rishi to hang on for a peerage when parliament is dissolved?

    Starmer was on the radio this morning saying he will not distribute honours when he is PM. I think that includes Rishi's resignation list.
    Oh do fuck off Keir. You nominated Tom Watson to the Lords. You are in no position to throw stones over honours lists.
    You’ve mentioned Watson’s nomination before, a few times. If one accepts Watson was an egregious error, he’s still only one case. The majority of Johnson’s honours list was outrageous. Should we not take the number offences into account?
    I think that Sunak made an error in accepting Boris's list before the Privileges Committee Report.

    Boris's list is a disgrace. But Starmer presents himself as a holier than thou and trades on his DPP experience. So by his own standards, not those of Boris, his decision to elevate Watson was an utter disgrace and he should not be allowed to get away with criticising others without having this thrown back at him. It shows really poor judgment by Starmer and that is I think a key metric by which politicians should be judged.
    I think there are several warning signs that SKS will be a poor PM sadly. One of the reasons I'm expecting Labour to be a one term government from 2024 to 2029.
    I'll make this point again since I think I own it. It's the opposite of what you say. The point is, SKS is coming to power with a good majority yet low expectations (eg yours). It means he's unlikely to disappoint and this boosts rather than hurts his chances of winning a further term.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    Ach, that's it. The test is lost
  • SkyemanSkyeman Posts: 13
    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Any sign of a private deal between Nad and Rishi to hang on for a peerage when parliament is dissolved?

    Starmer was on the radio this morning saying he will not distribute honours when he is PM. I think that includes Rishi's resignation list.
    Oh do fuck off Keir. You nominated Tom Watson to the Lords. You are in no position to throw stones over honours lists.
    You’ve mentioned Watson’s nomination before, a few times. If one accepts Watson was an egregious error, he’s still only one case. The majority of Johnson’s honours list was outrageous. Should we not take the number offences into account?
    I think that Sunak made an error in accepting Boris's list before the Privileges Committee Report.

    Boris's list is a disgrace. But Starmer presents himself as a holier than thou and trades on his DPP experience. So by his own standards, not those of Boris, his decision to elevate Watson was an utter disgrace and he should not be allowed to get away with criticising others without having this thrown back at him. It shows really poor judgment by Starmer and that is I think a key metric by which politicians should be judged.
    I think there are several warning signs that SKS will be a poor PM sadly. One of the reasons I'm expecting Labour to be a one term government from 2024 to 2029.
    I'll make this point again since I think I own it. It's the opposite of what you say. The point is, SKS is coming to power with a good majority yet low expectations (eg yours). It means he's unlikely to disappoint and this boosts rather than hurts his chances of winning a further term.
    I think we all suspect Starmer will be useless. In times like this we need a stronger leader.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    edited June 2023
    Too ambitious from England. They need to slow down a bit.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    Ach, that's it. The test is lost

    Might be going down leg. Umpire's call !
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    The SNP wants 2 referendums, one on independence and then on the monarchy
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210355/Now-SNP-wants-TWO-referendums-independence-drive.html

    It's almost like a sense of desperation is creeping in as far as the SNP are concerned, as they head back to the 27% they polled in 1999 at the first Scottish parliament election.
    What polling have you seen that suggests that?
    Redfield & Wilton and Savanta this month.

    At least on the regional vote.
    So nowhere near on the constituency vote, the usual measure of being the largest party at Holyrood?

    If any brave Sir Spécialiste d'Ecossais would like to frame a bet on the SNP constituency vote being close to 27% and/or SLab being the largest party in Holyrood after May 2026 I'd be happy to take it on. Of course two years of the exciting, progressive, radical program of a Starmer government may have upset the whole apple cart by then but I'm willing to take the risk.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Leon said:

    Ach, that's it. The test is lost

    Not sure it's gone yet. If we can get to around 250 we have a real chance...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    edited June 2023
    Andy_JS said:

    Too ambitious from England. They need to slow down a bit.

    We're gonna get a lead of 240-260?

    Won't be enough. Aussie bowling is too good, ours not quite good enough
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Why did it take a murderous war on Ukraine for Germany to wake up to the threat from Russia?
    Helene von Bismarck
    The invasion has plunged Germany into an agonised debate about its history – this process is only just beginning"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/19/why-did-it-take-a-murderous-war-on-ukraine-for-germany-to-wake-up-to-the-threat-from-russia

    Because the leaders of Germany until very recently were of an age where they felt personal guilt for the deaths of millions of Russians in the second world war.

    I don't think this is complicated.
    That doesn’t explain people like Schröder, nor the condescending attitude towards the countries between modern Germany and modern Russia.
    He's hardly the personification of Germany's post-war desire for good relations with Russia. He's a sleazeball.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Speaking of AI, I saw e1 of the new Black Mirror season. Perhaps not as amazing and mindblowing as previous seasons (it is a comedy, say Brooker) but nevertheless quite a head f**k and right up @Leon's strasse.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Too ambitious from England. They need to slow down a bit.

    We're gonna get a lead of 260-270?

    Won't be enough. Aussie bowling is too good, ours not quite good enough
    England will have better bowling conditions.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,798
    boulay said:

    Skyeman said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    There is a big debate to be had on sex education in schools Leon, when is the right age for what topics and if it should be voluntary.
    From Landsend to Skye in less than a day. Impressive stuff.
    These guys always love Leon!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450

    Leon said:

    Ach, that's it. The test is lost

    Not sure it's gone yet. If we can get to around 250 we have a real chance...
    I think we needed Stokes to get 60-80, minimum
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,691
    Sandpit said:

    148grss said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Nope, it was the sex workers putting on shows in front of children, that convinced me that people were doing sex shows in front of children.
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1666142149732192257
    The entire raison d'etre of libsoftiktok is to take either fake or out of context videos and put the worst spin on them and claim it is evidence of children viewing sex shows.

    Pride was not originally a "celebration of gay rights" it was always a protest against oppression and heteronormativity, and has always had shouts of "what about straight pride month" or "why do they need a whole month" from people who (whilst not saying it out loud) probably don't like gay people that much.

    This is all clearly a manufactured outrage created in a post same-sex marriage, post Roe environment where the GOP keep trying to find wedge culture issues to divide people and keep the most violent members of their base riled up to do random acts of terror. Trump in the 2016 primary got on stage with a pride flag and made the argument that protecting LGBT+ people was important because only those evil Muslims want to hurt the gays, whilst the US is all for freedom. If he did that now he'd be called a groomer. (He also noted at a recent rally that people clapped more when he mentioned trans people than they did for tax cuts or other things, and that 5 years ago people didn't care and had never heard about the trans issue).

    If you like tiktok so much as a source, maybe you should look up this lawyer who has started doing a weekly round up of individuals arrested for child sex abuse and noting their occupation / relation to their victim (lots of pastors, priests and even police - no drag queens):

    https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/03/17/kristen-prata-browde-tiktok-drag-queens-child-sex-abuse/

    The groomer rhetoric is projection - US conservatives love grooming, and are more than happy for adults to marry 14 year olds and consummate the marriage, or carry their rapists baby to term, or give fathers the ultimate power over the family (considering that the vast majority of child sexual abuse happens within the family and not outside of it). Indeed you need only look at examples like the Duggar's where one of the sons was sexually abusing his sisters and they and the church covered it up and blamed the girls for being too enticing to him. The inability for conservatives to really confront where most child sexual abuse happens - the conservative bastions of the family and the church - forces them to create fake enemies who must really be the perpetrators for them to blame. And it always happens to be people they hate anyway; what a surprise!
    The LibsOfTikTok account is publishing nothing original, simply re-publishing what these people themselves post, but for a different audience.
    Accounts like LibsOfTikTok (on all sides of the political debate) are essentially brain cancer. They're uninformative, damaging and extremist. I try to keep away from them.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,999
    boulay said:

    Skyeman said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    There is a big debate to be had on sex education in schools Leon, when is the right age for what topics and if it should be voluntary.
    From Landsend to Skye in less than a day. Impressive stuff.
    These guys always seem to end up on a Putinist anti woke jag. Thank goodness more established PBers have never gone down that line.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Too ambitious from England. They need to slow down a bit.

    We're gonna get a lead of 260-270?

    Won't be enough. Aussie bowling is too good, ours not quite good enough
    England will have better bowling conditions.
    A big difference between a target of 225 and one of 275. Every run counts!
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Anyone think CPI inflation will be below 8% on Wednesday??
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    DM_Andy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Keir Starmer comes across as slightly small-c conservative, which is a positive IMO.

    That's because that's how he wants to come across.

    He absolutely isn't:

    "A Keir Starmer government might be more radical than you think - Michael Jacobs"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/04/keir-starmer-government-labour-leader

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/26/ignore-detractors-keir-starmer-radical-transform-country
    Saying Keir Starmer might be more radical than you think is a bit like saying Liz Truss might surprise on the upside. The bar is already laying on the floor, it might be possible to step over it.

    Starmer wants to increase tax, nationalise utilities and assets, ban and further regulate fossil fuels, launch a war on private education, and take identity politics even further ...and that's just what we know about so far.

    You don't have to take my word for it that he's a mainstream left-winger - just look at his programme.
    You make removing that private schools tax break sound enormously exciting (!)
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,492

    boulay said:

    Skyeman said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    There is a big debate to be had on sex education in schools Leon, when is the right age for what topics and if it should be voluntary.
    From Landsend to Skye in less than a day. Impressive stuff.
    These guys always seem to end up on a Putinist anti woke jag. Thank goodness more established PBers have never gone down that line.
    I think it’s like a Russian version of cricket for the troll farm. You get one run for every post you make before you get banned. A four for every “like” you manage to get from the unsuspecting and a six for every reply in agreement from a regular poster.
  • SkyemanSkyeman Posts: 13
    Elon Musk now telling Peter Hotez to debate RFK jr on vaccines.

    First of all, I am generally pro vaccine. I have been vaccinated against pretty much everything, as have my kids. Second, I think there is tremendous promise in synthetic mRNA. It is like medicine going from analog to digital. That said, the world obviously went crazy with excess vaccination against “Covid-19”. I have that in quotes, because the RNA sequences changed so much that I called it the virus of Theseus. So many people I know had serious side effects from the vaccines, including myself. Failure to acknowledge that is a lie. As for the deaths you claim are due to Covid-19, why is the nation of Sweden still alive!? Just go on Rogan and do the debate.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1670274228682096640?s=20
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Skyeman said:

    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Any sign of a private deal between Nad and Rishi to hang on for a peerage when parliament is dissolved?

    Starmer was on the radio this morning saying he will not distribute honours when he is PM. I think that includes Rishi's resignation list.
    Oh do fuck off Keir. You nominated Tom Watson to the Lords. You are in no position to throw stones over honours lists.
    You’ve mentioned Watson’s nomination before, a few times. If one accepts Watson was an egregious error, he’s still only one case. The majority of Johnson’s honours list was outrageous. Should we not take the number offences into account?
    I think that Sunak made an error in accepting Boris's list before the Privileges Committee Report.

    Boris's list is a disgrace. But Starmer presents himself as a holier than thou and trades on his DPP experience. So by his own standards, not those of Boris, his decision to elevate Watson was an utter disgrace and he should not be allowed to get away with criticising others without having this thrown back at him. It shows really poor judgment by Starmer and that is I think a key metric by which politicians should be judged.
    I think there are several warning signs that SKS will be a poor PM sadly. One of the reasons I'm expecting Labour to be a one term government from 2024 to 2029.
    I'll make this point again since I think I own it. It's the opposite of what you say. The point is, SKS is coming to power with a good majority yet low expectations (eg yours). It means he's unlikely to disappoint and this boosts rather than hurts his chances of winning a further term.
    I think we all suspect Starmer will be useless. In times like this we need a stronger leader.
    I think we all suspect that you are a Putin-bot. In times like this we need better Chatcr(a)p.
  • SkyemanSkyeman Posts: 13
    RFK Jr on the Pfizer Vaccine: "22,000 people got the Vaccine and 22,000 didn't. During that six month period, 1 Vaccinated person died of Covid and in the placebo group 2 people died. That allows Pfizer and the FDA to say the Vaccine is 100% effective."

    Interesting stuff from RFK jr.

    https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1670468656097275905?s=20
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    Good Lord that must have been the worst review in the history of ever by Cummins.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    Do you believe that (a) this happened without the parents consent? or (b) that this is a common occurance?

    Because in a country of 350 million people you'll get a lot of little videos.

    Genuinely: if you believe the first video is a common experience in the US, then you are retarded.

    This isn't woke vs unwoke, it is taking an incredibly uncommon experience and claiming it is the norm. It is like me showing a picture of a school shooter and claiming that is the regular experience of kids in the US.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Pulpstar said:

    Good Lord that must have been the worst review in the history of ever by Cummins.

    I seem to remember someone reviewing for LBW when the batsman had middled a forward defensive.
  • SkyemanSkyeman Posts: 13
    More from RFK jr
    Robert Kennedy Jr: "We spent $16 trillion on the lockdowns. We got nothing for it. $8 trillion on the Ukraine war. That’s $24 trillion that they had to print to pay for nothing.”

    https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1670445587911831555?s=20
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    Skyeman said:

    RFK Jr on the Pfizer Vaccine: "22,000 people got the Vaccine and 22,000 didn't. During that six month period, 1 Vaccinated person died of Covid and in the placebo group 2 people died. That allows Pfizer and the FDA to say the Vaccine is 100% effective."

    Interesting stuff from RFK jr.

    https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1670468656097275905?s=20

    Man, you guys are like a broken record.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Skyeman said:

    More from RFK jr
    Robert Kennedy Jr: "We spent $16 trillion on the lockdowns. We got nothing for it. $8 trillion on the Ukraine war. That’s $24 trillion that they had to print to pay for nothing.”

    https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1670445587911831555?s=20

    I’m pretty sure Landsend posted that as well.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    England can use their pads a bit more with Aus being out of reviews should they need to against Lyon now.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Well I guess we know what one of Putin’s key planks is in the disinformation war.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Lettuces have feelings too ...

    Liz Truss says being compared to a lettuce was not funny

    https://twitter.com/kate_day/status/1670773190254002179
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Why did it take a murderous war on Ukraine for Germany to wake up to the threat from Russia?
    Helene von Bismarck
    The invasion has plunged Germany into an agonised debate about its history – this process is only just beginning"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/19/why-did-it-take-a-murderous-war-on-ukraine-for-germany-to-wake-up-to-the-threat-from-russia

    Because the leaders of Germany until very recently were of an age where they felt personal guilt for the deaths of millions of Russians in the second world war.

    I don't think this is complicated.
    That doesn’t explain people like Schröder, nor the condescending attitude towards the countries between modern Germany and modern Russia.
    Schroder is scum. On that I fully agree.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    O/T

    Peter Hitchens in his column yesterday claimed that it's almost impossible to get hold of the 1971 film Sunday Bloody Sunday starring Glenda Jackson and Peter Finch. I'd be interested to know if that's actually the case.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    FF43 said:

    Lettuces have feelings too ...

    Liz Truss says being compared to a lettuce was not funny

    https://twitter.com/kate_day/status/1670773190254002179

    Not funny for the lettuces either.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,002
    FF43 said:

    Lettuces have feelings too ...

    Liz Truss says being compared to a lettuce was not funny

    https://twitter.com/kate_day/status/1670773190254002179

    @MarkDiStef
    The Lettuce: "I don't think about you at all"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    Do you believe that (a) this happened without the parents consent? or (b) that this is a common occurance?

    Because in a country of 350 million people you'll get a lot of little videos.

    Genuinely: if you believe the first video is a common experience in the US, then you are retarded.

    This isn't woke vs unwoke, it is taking an incredibly uncommon experience and claiming it is the norm. It is like me showing a picture of a school shooter and claiming that is the regular experience of kids in the US.
    You used to call me retarded for claiming that Woke education was taking over American schools in multiple ways. Your basis for saying this was "it's not happening at my kids schools"

    You deny that the urban decay I have seen in multiple trips across the USA in recent months exists, because you are doing a small roadtrip across New Hampshire, one of the richest states in the union, and "it all looks fine"

    And so on, and so forth
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,751
    Skyeman said:

    More from RFK jr
    Robert Kennedy Jr: "We spent $16 trillion on the lockdowns. We got nothing for it. $8 trillion on the Ukraine war. That’s $24 trillion that they had to print to pay for nothing.”

    https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1670445587911831555?s=20

    And God knows how much money spent on the Second World War. Nothing to show for that either.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    Pulpstar said:

    Good Lord that must have been the worst review in the history of ever by Cummins.

    Nah, look at any Shane Watson review.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    David Cameron says it was wrong to focus on a future flu epidemic. Is that right? Maybe the next pandemic might have been flu rather than Covid-19.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    No way England are gonna make 280-300
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    edited June 2023
    Skyeman said:

    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Any sign of a private deal between Nad and Rishi to hang on for a peerage when parliament is dissolved?

    Starmer was on the radio this morning saying he will not distribute honours when he is PM. I think that includes Rishi's resignation list.
    Oh do fuck off Keir. You nominated Tom Watson to the Lords. You are in no position to throw stones over honours lists.
    You’ve mentioned Watson’s nomination before, a few times. If one accepts Watson was an egregious error, he’s still only one case. The majority of Johnson’s honours list was outrageous. Should we not take the number offences into account?
    I think that Sunak made an error in accepting Boris's list before the Privileges Committee Report.

    Boris's list is a disgrace. But Starmer presents himself as a holier than thou and trades on his DPP experience. So by his own standards, not those of Boris, his decision to elevate Watson was an utter disgrace and he should not be allowed to get away with criticising others without having this thrown back at him. It shows really poor judgment by Starmer and that is I think a key metric by which politicians should be judged.
    I think there are several warning signs that SKS will be a poor PM sadly. One of the reasons I'm expecting Labour to be a one term government from 2024 to 2029.
    I'll make this point again since I think I own it. It's the opposite of what you say. The point is, SKS is coming to power with a good majority yet low expectations (eg yours). It means he's unlikely to disappoint and this boosts rather than hurts his chances of winning a further term.
    I think we all suspect Starmer will be useless. In times like this we need a stronger leader.
    It's great for him that everybody thinks this (so long as he still wins, that is, which he will). He's crafting himself an enormous upside territory to inhabit as against expectations. This is politically much better (in these tough serious times) than coming to power with an inflated reputation on a tide of fizz and bullshit.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    FF43 said:

    ..

    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Why did it take a murderous war on Ukraine for Germany to wake up to the threat from Russia?
    Helene von Bismarck
    The invasion has plunged Germany into an agonised debate about its history – this process is only just beginning"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/19/why-did-it-take-a-murderous-war-on-ukraine-for-germany-to-wake-up-to-the-threat-from-russia

    Because the leaders of Germany until very recently were of an age where they felt personal guilt for the deaths of millions of Russians in the second world war.

    I don't think this is complicated.
    I think it's a bit more complicated than that. The moral debt argument was pretty self serving. A lot of people did well out of the cosy relationship with Russia, whether it was business deals or cheap gas.
    Yeah, except for the fact that Germany paid market rates for gas.
    The market rate for Russian gas was a lot lower than what the rest of the world was paying for gas, as Europe has recently discovered, and also why they bought so much of it.

    To be fair to Germany it does seem to have made a genuine change following the current invasion. Many impression is that individuals and organisations are unambiguously on the side of Ukraine and I think German perceptions of its role in the second World war plays into that. They see Russia behaving in the same way as Germany previously did.
    With all due respect, that's not really true.

    The reality is that we *all* paid lower prices for natural gas because of the Russian pipeline to Germany.

    Let's take a step back, and remember that all Europe's gas markets are interconnected. There are many, many pipelines between Germany, Poland, France, Italy, etc. If you move gas from one place to another, you will pay transport fees.

    Now, Russia has a number of pipes into Europe. Norway also has several, and there's a Mediterranean connector or two bringing North African gas into the continent. And there are also LNG import terminals. (Plus there a storage facilities dotted around, which have an impact on gas pricing.)

    Gas is fungible. And not only that, but the major product of gas (i.e. electricity) is also fungible.

    At the simplest level, you'd know if the Germans were paying less for natural gas than other countries, because their CCGTs would be massively more competitive than those in other countries, and its interconnectors would be full as it exported its cheap gas as electricity to the continent. The reality is that Germany is a net importer of electricity from its neighbours. And its CCGT load factor is only 34%! (That's dramatically worse than the UK.)

    Companies - across Europe - bid on gas. Some enter into longer term agreements. Some do not.

    Russia's pipelines increased the supply of gas into Europe, and lowered prices for all of us, but - other than sligtly lower transport costs as Russian gas had to travel less far - the Germans paid no less.
    I wasn't suggesting Germany was paying a uniquely low price for its Russian gas but it had a vested interest in keeping those taps on and being helpful to a government that politicised its gas supply well before the invasion. This also showed up in German resistance to EU moves to diversify supply.

    I don't think Russian gas was entirely fungible given Europe was paying much lower prices for gas, compared with say Japan. Now the Russian supply has been switched off prices are more comparable.
    Eh?

    Europe has:

    (a) it's own gas (unlike Japan)
    and
    (b) piped gas from multiple countries (unlike Japan)

    And European gas prices are now well below Japanese ones, even without any supply from Russia.

    Now, sure, was Europe worried about a major source of gas being turned off? Of course it was, because the short-term adjustment was painful. But the reality was that everywhere that was a gas importer (like us, like Pakistan, like Korea) was basically equally hit by the removal of Russian piped gas from the world energy markets.

    Only those, like India and Japan, who chose to buy cheap embargoed Russian LNG got any protection at all.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226

    Leon said:

    Ach, that's it. The test is lost

    Not sure it's gone yet. If we can get to around 250 we have a real chance...
    We're 2.6 on Betfair. Sounds about right to me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    Skyeman said:

    More from RFK jr
    Robert Kennedy Jr: "We spent $16 trillion on the lockdowns. We got nothing for it. $8 trillion on the Ukraine war. That’s $24 trillion that they had to print to pay for nothing.”

    https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1670445587911831555?s=20

    How much has the repressed homosexual Vladimir Putin spent on the invasion of Ukraine?

    What has he got out of it?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,378
    rcs1000 said:

    Skyeman said:

    RFK Jr on the Pfizer Vaccine: "22,000 people got the Vaccine and 22,000 didn't. During that six month period, 1 Vaccinated person died of Covid and in the placebo group 2 people died. That allows Pfizer and the FDA to say the Vaccine is 100% effective."

    Interesting stuff from RFK jr.

    https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1670468656097275905?s=20

    Man, you guys are like a broken record.
    RFK junior sounsd indististinguishable from Trump.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,378
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Why did it take a murderous war on Ukraine for Germany to wake up to the threat from Russia?
    Helene von Bismarck
    The invasion has plunged Germany into an agonised debate about its history – this process is only just beginning"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/19/why-did-it-take-a-murderous-war-on-ukraine-for-germany-to-wake-up-to-the-threat-from-russia

    Because the leaders of Germany until very recently were of an age where they felt personal guilt for the deaths of millions of Russians in the second world war.

    I don't think this is complicated.
    That doesn’t explain people like Schröder, nor the condescending attitude towards the countries between modern Germany and modern Russia.
    Schroder is scum. On that I fully agree.
    It's worrying that the highest office in Germany could be held by a traitor.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    A commercial submarine has gone missing near the site of wreck of the Titanic, Sky News understands.

    It is not clear how many people, if any, were on board at the time it went missing.

    Titanic famously sank into the Atlantic in 1912 during its maiden voyage from Southampton to New York, with some 1,500 people dying in the disaster.

    The wreck - discovered 37 years ago - is some 4,000m deep at the bottom of the Atlantic, about 400 nautical miles from Newfoundland in Canada.


    https://news.sky.com/story/commercial-submarine-goes-missing-near-titanic-wreck-in-atlantic-ocean-12905471
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    Do you believe that (a) this happened without the parents consent? or (b) that this is a common occurance?

    Because in a country of 350 million people you'll get a lot of little videos.

    Genuinely: if you believe the first video is a common experience in the US, then you are retarded.

    This isn't woke vs unwoke, it is taking an incredibly uncommon experience and claiming it is the norm. It is like me showing a picture of a school shooter and claiming that is the regular experience of kids in the US.
    You used to call me retarded for claiming that Woke education was taking over American schools in multiple ways. Your basis for saying this was "it's not happening at my kids schools"

    You deny that the urban decay I have seen in multiple trips across the USA in recent months exists, because you are doing a small roadtrip across New Hampshire, one of the richest states in the union, and "it all looks fine"

    And so on, and so forth
    Whataboutary.

    Answer the questions.

    Do you believe that (a) this happened without the parents consent? or (b) that this is a common occurance?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,929
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Peter Hitchens in his column yesterday claimed that it's almost impossible to get hold of the 1971 film Sunday Bloody Sunday starring Glenda Jackson and Peter Finch. I'd be interested to know if that's actually the case.

    Only one copy on Amazon, and that is of the BFI blu-ray for £30.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,681
    edited June 2023

    Skyeman said:

    More from RFK jr
    Robert Kennedy Jr: "We spent $16 trillion on the lockdowns. We got nothing for it. $8 trillion on the Ukraine war. That’s $24 trillion that they had to print to pay for nothing.”

    https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1670445587911831555?s=20

    How much has the repressed homosexual Vladimir Putin spent on the invasion of Ukraine?

    What has he got out of it?
    $8tn is a big number. I'd like a receipt please.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,240
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Why did it take a murderous war on Ukraine for Germany to wake up to the threat from Russia?
    Helene von Bismarck
    The invasion has plunged Germany into an agonised debate about its history – this process is only just beginning"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/19/why-did-it-take-a-murderous-war-on-ukraine-for-germany-to-wake-up-to-the-threat-from-russia

    Because the leaders of Germany until very recently were of an age where they felt personal guilt for the deaths of millions of Russians in the second world war.

    I don't think this is complicated.
    That doesn’t explain people like Schröder, nor the condescending attitude towards the countries between modern Germany and modern Russia.
    Schroder is scum. On that I fully agree.
    Good job that Germany had and has a working mechanism to get rid of him, then. Unlike some countries we could mention.

    Just imagine how boring politicalbetting.ru would be.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,801
    TOPPING said:

    Speaking of AI, I saw e1 of the new Black Mirror season. Perhaps not as amazing and mindblowing as previous seasons (it is a comedy, say Brooker) but nevertheless quite a head f**k and right up @Leon's strasse.

    Yeah - I quite enjoyed it too. Some interesting ideas he played with that felt very of-the-moment despite probably being written 2yrs ago (or more). Going to pick off an episode an evening this week I think. Cheer myself right up...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,708

    Well I guess we know what one of Putin’s key planks is in the disinformation war.

    The Kremlin latches on to any kind of 'dissident' opinion in the West in order to pose as an alternative. If you respond by trying to marginalise or delegitimise those voices, you are actually helping the Russians.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,390
    FF43 said:

    Lettuces have feelings too ...

    Liz Truss says being compared to a lettuce was not funny

    https://twitter.com/kate_day/status/1670773190254002179

    I think she should lettuce decide what's funny.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Skyeman said:

    RFK Jr on the Pfizer Vaccine: "22,000 people got the Vaccine and 22,000 didn't. During that six month period, 1 Vaccinated person died of Covid and in the placebo group 2 people died. That allows Pfizer and the FDA to say the Vaccine is 100% effective."

    Interesting stuff from RFK jr.

    https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1670468656097275905?s=20

    Man, you guys are like a broken record.
    RFK junior sounsd indististinguishable from Trump.
    He's really unconvincing

    However I think the refusal by scientists to debate RFK's antivaxxery on Joe Rogan is a major mistake. They are haughtily doing it on the basis that debating him would give credence to a "conspiracy theory"

    But for a year these same pompous, self-important scientists told us "lab leak" was a baseless conspiracy, and forbade debates on it

    People no longer kneel, automatically, before The Science. If antivaxxery is foolish nonsense (and it probably is, but we don;t know for sure, and this is a live issue) then debate it, Prove your case. Make RFK look like a jerk. Don't avoid debate on the basis scientists shouldn't have to bother with these "nutters". The scientists were the nutters who told us lab leak was impossible

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,599

    Sandpit said:

    148grss said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Nope, it was the sex workers putting on shows in front of children, that convinced me that people were doing sex shows in front of children.
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1666142149732192257
    The entire raison d'etre of libsoftiktok is to take either fake or out of context videos and put the worst spin on them and claim it is evidence of children viewing sex shows.

    Pride was not originally a "celebration of gay rights" it was always a protest against oppression and heteronormativity, and has always had shouts of "what about straight pride month" or "why do they need a whole month" from people who (whilst not saying it out loud) probably don't like gay people that much.

    This is all clearly a manufactured outrage created in a post same-sex marriage, post Roe environment where the GOP keep trying to find wedge culture issues to divide people and keep the most violent members of their base riled up to do random acts of terror. Trump in the 2016 primary got on stage with a pride flag and made the argument that protecting LGBT+ people was important because only those evil Muslims want to hurt the gays, whilst the US is all for freedom. If he did that now he'd be called a groomer. (He also noted at a recent rally that people clapped more when he mentioned trans people than they did for tax cuts or other things, and that 5 years ago people didn't care and had never heard about the trans issue).

    If you like tiktok so much as a source, maybe you should look up this lawyer who has started doing a weekly round up of individuals arrested for child sex abuse and noting their occupation / relation to their victim (lots of pastors, priests and even police - no drag queens):

    https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/03/17/kristen-prata-browde-tiktok-drag-queens-child-sex-abuse/

    The groomer rhetoric is projection - US conservatives love grooming, and are more than happy for adults to marry 14 year olds and consummate the marriage, or carry their rapists baby to term, or give fathers the ultimate power over the family (considering that the vast majority of child sexual abuse happens within the family and not outside of it). Indeed you need only look at examples like the Duggar's where one of the sons was sexually abusing his sisters and they and the church covered it up and blamed the girls for being too enticing to him. The inability for conservatives to really confront where most child sexual abuse happens - the conservative bastions of the family and the church - forces them to create fake enemies who must really be the perpetrators for them to blame. And it always happens to be people they hate anyway; what a surprise!
    The LibsOfTikTok account is publishing nothing original, simply re-publishing what these people themselves post, but for a different audience.
    Accounts like LibsOfTikTok (on all sides of the political debate) are essentially brain cancer. They're uninformative, damaging and extremist. I try to keep away from them.
    It’s also really important that we can see what others are saying, especially to relatively small audiences on social media.

    This account originally spent most of its time reporting what teachers were saying to children, with a very large contrast to what the parents of these same children were expecting.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    BBC still having a problem whether to describe parties as far-right or nationalist right.

    "Finns Party: Far-right set for key role in new Finnish coalition"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65926194
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,801
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Peter Hitchens in his column yesterday claimed that it's almost impossible to get hold of the 1971 film Sunday Bloody Sunday starring Glenda Jackson and Peter Finch. I'd be interested to know if that's actually the case.

    I downloaded it in about 10 minutes after a 5 second search. If that counts?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Peter Hitchens in his column yesterday claimed that it's almost impossible to get hold of the 1971 film Sunday Bloody Sunday starring Glenda Jackson and Peter Finch. I'd be interested to know if that's actually the case.

    Amazon shopping (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sunday+bloody+sunday+movie&tbm=shop) lists a few places selling it, and also that you can stream it online.

    Where I am sure he is correct that it is harder to get on DVD than it used to be, there is also the reality that far fewer movies are sold on DVD anymore.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    Do you believe that (a) this happened without the parents consent? or (b) that this is a common occurance?

    Because in a country of 350 million people you'll get a lot of little videos.

    Genuinely: if you believe the first video is a common experience in the US, then you are retarded.

    This isn't woke vs unwoke, it is taking an incredibly uncommon experience and claiming it is the norm. It is like me showing a picture of a school shooter and claiming that is the regular experience of kids in the US.
    You used to call me retarded for claiming that Woke education was taking over American schools in multiple ways. Your basis for saying this was "it's not happening at my kids schools"

    You deny that the urban decay I have seen in multiple trips across the USA in recent months exists, because you are doing a small roadtrip across New Hampshire, one of the richest states in the union, and "it all looks fine"

    And so on, and so forth
    Whataboutary.

    Answer the questions.

    Do you believe that (a) this happened without the parents consent? or (b) that this is a common occurance?
    (a) Very doubtful, (b) it's hard to say. Who compiles the list? Do you have a personal list of questionable drag shows in Wisconsin?

    My point is that you a tendency to be very blinkered on these and other issues
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Leon said:

    148grss said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Nope, it was the sex workers putting on shows in front of children, that convinced me that people were doing sex shows in front of children.
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1666142149732192257
    The entire raison d'etre of libsoftiktok is to take either fake or out of context videos and put the worst spin on them and claim it is evidence of children viewing sex shows.

    Pride was not originally a "celebration of gay rights" it was always a protest against oppression and heteronormativity, and has always had shouts of "what about straight pride month" or "why do they need a whole month" from people who (whilst not saying it out loud) probably don't like gay people that much.

    This is all clearly a manufactured outrage created in a post same-sex marriage, post Roe environment where the GOP keep trying to find wedge culture issues to divide people and keep the most violent members of their base riled up to do random acts of terror. Trump in the 2016 primary got on stage with a pride flag and made the argument that protecting LGBT+ people was important because only those evil Muslims want to hurt the gays, whilst the US is all for freedom. If he did that now he'd be called a groomer. (He also noted at a recent rally that people clapped more when he mentioned trans people than they did for tax cuts or other things, and that 5 years ago people didn't care and had never heard about the trans issue).

    If you like tiktok so much as a source, maybe you should look up this lawyer who has started doing a weekly round up of individuals arrested for child sex abuse and noting their occupation / relation to their victim (lots of pastors, priests and even police - no drag queens):

    https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/03/17/kristen-prata-browde-tiktok-drag-queens-child-sex-abuse/

    The groomer rhetoric is projection - US conservatives love grooming, and are more than happy for adults to marry 14 year olds and consummate the marriage, or carry their rapists baby to term, or give fathers the ultimate power over the family (considering that the vast majority of child sexual abuse happens within the family and not outside of it). Indeed you need only look at examples like the Duggar's where one of the sons was sexually abusing his sisters and they and the church covered it up and blamed the girls for being too enticing to him. The inability for conservatives to really confront where most child sexual abuse happens - the conservative bastions of the family and the church - forces them to create fake enemies who must really be the perpetrators for them to blame. And it always happens to be people they hate anyway; what a surprise!
    I've never seen a fake from "libsofTikTok" and nor have I seen any taken outrageously out of context. They may exist but they can't be frequent because I follow her account (as I follow her opponent: chudsoftiktok, for balance - the latter isn't so good, funny, or ridic)

    LibsofTikTok's whole shtick is that she simply takes real videos posted by mad Woke lefties and serves them up without comment, so they are condemned by their own words

    You may perhaps be thinking of another account
    I have seen reports of many faked, and have seen many taken out of context with the libsoftiktok tweeting false / other information above said videos (calling the individuals groomers already, for example).

    I am interested by the fact both yourself @Sandpit focussed only on that suggestion and not any of the other things I mentioned; that it is clear this has nothing to do Republicans being concerned with child sexual assault or grooming considering that they are pro keeping child marriage legal, and are pro a social order where male authority figures in the family and church would have ultimate ability to control the family unit and are also statistically some of the highest perpetrators of csa. Indeed - no drag queens credibly accused and arrested for the crime whilst many many pastors, priests and fathers have been.

    I also failed to mention that many social conservatives (including GOP politicians, RW youtube / podcast hosts and Fox News commentators) are positively giddy at the idea of women having sex with underage boys - claiming that if they had been the 14 year old boy in question who was groomed and abused they would have loved it. Again, not really any concern for the wellbeing of children and more a desire for the reproduction of hetero-patriarchy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    Fucking cheating Aussies.

    10 match ban for that blatant grassed chance.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    That was close to blatant cheating
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Peter Hitchens in his column yesterday claimed that it's almost impossible to get hold of the 1971 film Sunday Bloody Sunday starring Glenda Jackson and Peter Finch. I'd be interested to know if that's actually the case.

    Amazon shopping (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sunday+bloody+sunday+movie&tbm=shop) lists a few places selling it, and also that you can stream it online.

    Where I am sure he is correct that it is harder to get on DVD than it used to be, there is also the reality that far fewer movies are sold on DVD anymore.
    Only going to get worse with Network DVD going bust recently.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    edited June 2023
    England not even gonna make a lead of 250. The test is lost
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    Do you believe that (a) this happened without the parents consent? or (b) that this is a common occurance?

    Because in a country of 350 million people you'll get a lot of little videos.

    Genuinely: if you believe the first video is a common experience in the US, then you are retarded.

    This isn't woke vs unwoke, it is taking an incredibly uncommon experience and claiming it is the norm. It is like me showing a picture of a school shooter and claiming that is the regular experience of kids in the US.
    You used to call me retarded for claiming that Woke education was taking over American schools in multiple ways. Your basis for saying this was "it's not happening at my kids schools"

    You deny that the urban decay I have seen in multiple trips across the USA in recent months exists, because you are doing a small roadtrip across New Hampshire, one of the richest states in the union, and "it all looks fine"

    And so on, and so forth
    Whataboutary.

    Answer the questions.

    Do you believe that (a) this happened without the parents consent? or (b) that this is a common occurance?
    (a) Very doubtful, (b) it's hard to say. Who compiles the list? Do you have a personal list of questionable drag shows in Wisconsin?

    My point is that you a tendency to be very blinkered on these and other issues
    You have become obsesseed with fighting a strawman, that transexuals and wokists are taking over.

    They are not. And when they pop up, politicians pass laws to bash them down.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    "Glenda classic that's strangely gone missing

    But what on earth has happened to the 1971 film Sunday Bloody Sunday, starring Jackson and the great Peter Finch – a terrific prophecy of the new era then just beginning?

    How come, in an age when we can supposedly watch anything, that such things can just disappear?"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12206375/PETER-HITCHENS-time-save-Julian-Assange-dying-dungeon.html
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,390

    Fucking cheating Aussies.

    10 match ban for that blatant grassed chance.

    Language! You're as bad as Ollie Robinson.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    Are England going to declare before Tea?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    edited June 2023
    He often slogs it for a quick 15 or so but it's difficult to believe Broad got a century against Pakistan.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,217

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Peter Hitchens in his column yesterday claimed that it's almost impossible to get hold of the 1971 film Sunday Bloody Sunday starring Glenda Jackson and Peter Finch. I'd be interested to know if that's actually the case.

    Amazon shopping (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sunday+bloody+sunday+movie&tbm=shop) lists a few places selling it, and also that you can stream it online.

    Where I am sure he is correct that it is harder to get on DVD than it used to be, there is also the reality that far fewer movies are sold on DVD anymore.
    Only going to get worse with Network DVD going bust recently.
    I haven't had a DVD player for about six or seven years. I doubt I'm the only one.

    And that means that getting hold of movies can be a bunch more hassle than it used to be. Who has the streaming rights for [x]? Do I have an account with them? Etc.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,149
    A mid-beds by election not occurring would be an anti climax akin to an even test match turning into an easy romp for the Australians.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,450
    edited June 2023
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    httpsThere://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Well, them, and about 400,000 videos

    https://twitter.com/andrewdoyle_com/status/1596644335625420800?s=20
    Anyone who thinks that:

    (a) that happened without the parents consent

    and

    (b) that is a common occurance across the US

    is a re

    There are an awful lot of vids and photos

    https://twitter.com/TheRealMrBigBag/status/1670179887213162499?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PenneyBarrett2/status/1667730115986350081?s=20

    https://twitter.com/GoovesSquad/status/1667777738315317248?s=20

    https://twitter.com/texan_maga/status/1667765625458925568?s=20


    It's endless

    I don't doubt that the GOP are exaggerating and weaponising this shit for votes, in the Kultur Wars, I equally have no doubt that the Dem Woke Left is tolerating or even promoting this perverse stuff, because they have been hijacked by the extreme trans lobby
    Do you believe that (a) this happened without the parents consent? or (b) that this is a common occurance?

    Because in a country of 350 million people you'll get a lot of little videos.

    Genuinely: if you believe the first video is a common experience in the US, then you are retarded.

    This isn't woke vs unwoke, it is taking an incredibly uncommon experience and claiming it is the norm. It is like me showing a picture of a school shooter and claiming that is the regular experience of kids in the US.
    You used to call me retarded for claiming that Woke education was taking over American schools in multiple ways. Your basis for saying this was "it's not happening at my kids schools"

    You deny that the urban decay I have seen in multiple trips across the USA in recent months exists, because you are doing a small roadtrip across New Hampshire, one of the richest states in the union, and "it all looks fine"

    And so on, and so forth
    Whataboutary.

    Answer the questions.

    Do you believe that (a) this happened without the parents consent? or (b) that this is a common occurance?
    (a) Very doubtful, (b) it's hard to say. Who compiles the list? Do you have a personal list of questionable drag shows in Wisconsin?

    My point is that you a tendency to be very blinkered on these and other issues
    You have become obsesseed with fighting a strawman, that transexuals and wokists are taking over.

    They are not. And when they pop up, politicians pass laws to bash them down.
    I'm really not "obsessed"! I find this trans debate excruciatingly boring, generally, and it saddens me that it has become so salient. Both sides are entrenched and people are getting hurt because of an agenda driven by creeps and weirdos. Ten years ago this debate was all so calm and sensible - and liberal

    I'd rather talk about independence for the Isle of Sheppey
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Popcorn at the ready….

    Meanwhile Braverman sounds surprisingly nervous doing an urgent statement on stop and search
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    148grss said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Fury at Reclaim leader Lawrence Fox after he burns LGBTQ+ flags in his garden in Pride month
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12210047/Laurence-Fox-burns-LGBT-bunting-garden-Pride-Month-disgusting.html

    I'm beginning to wonder if some of these right wing populists aren't very nice people at all.
    The whole “Pride Month” in the US, has blown up in quite spectacular fashion, with a number of riots, and large corporates trying to distance themselves from the extremists on both sides.

    It’s turned from a celebration of gay rights into a movement that, to its opponents, appears to be aimed specifically at children, prompting a backlash from more socially conservative parents.
    Because the Republican Party, unable to offer any solutions to America’s problems, has deliberately ramped up culture wars and lies about Pride Month.
    It wasn’t the Republican Party who proposed the legislation in California, that proposes to remove children from their parents, into the care of the State, if the parents disagree with the gender transition process of pre-pubescent children.

    It wasn’t the Republican Party who decided that sex shows in front of primary school children were now somehow okay, so long as the performers were in drag.

    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1669469433025159169
    It was the Republican Party that convinced you that anyone was doing sex shows in front of primary children.
    Nope, it was the sex workers putting on shows in front of children, that convinced me that people were doing sex shows in front of children.
    https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1666142149732192257
    The entire raison d'etre of libsoftiktok is to take either fake or out of context videos and put the worst spin on them and claim it is evidence of children viewing sex shows.

    Pride was not originally a "celebration of gay rights" it was always a protest against oppression and heteronormativity, and has always had shouts of "what about straight pride month" or "why do they need a whole month" from people who (whilst not saying it out loud) probably don't like gay people that much.

    This is all clearly a manufactured outrage created in a post same-sex marriage, post Roe environment where the GOP keep trying to find wedge culture issues to divide people and keep the most violent members of their base riled up to do random acts of terror. Trump in the 2016 primary got on stage with a pride flag and made the argument that protecting LGBT+ people was important because only those evil Muslims want to hurt the gays, whilst the US is all for freedom. If he did that now he'd be called a groomer. (He also noted at a recent rally that people clapped more when he mentioned trans people than they did for tax cuts or other things, and that 5 years ago people didn't care and had never heard about the trans issue).

    If you like tiktok so much as a source, maybe you should look up this lawyer who has started doing a weekly round up of individuals arrested for child sex abuse and noting their occupation / relation to their victim (lots of pastors, priests and even police - no drag queens):

    https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/03/17/kristen-prata-browde-tiktok-drag-queens-child-sex-abuse/

    The groomer rhetoric is projection - US conservatives love grooming, and are more than happy for adults to marry 14 year olds and consummate the marriage, or carry their rapists baby to term, or give fathers the ultimate power over the family (considering that the vast majority of child sexual abuse happens within the family and not outside of it). Indeed you need only look at examples like the Duggar's where one of the sons was sexually abusing his sisters and they and the church covered it up and blamed the girls for being too enticing to him. The inability for conservatives to really confront where most child sexual abuse happens - the conservative bastions of the family and the church - forces them to create fake enemies who must really be the perpetrators for them to blame. And it always happens to be people they hate anyway; what a surprise!
    The LibsOfTikTok account is publishing nothing original, simply re-publishing what these people themselves post, but for a different audience.
    Accounts like LibsOfTikTok (on all sides of the political debate) are essentially brain cancer. They're uninformative, damaging and extremist. I try to keep away from them.
    It’s also really important that we can see what others are saying, especially to relatively small audiences on social media.

    This account originally spent most of its time reporting what teachers were saying to children, with a very large contrast to what the parents of these same children were expecting.
    It didn't just post videos of what teachers were saying to children, it posted videos of what teachers were saying and then span that as abuse or grooming. Being cringe is not grooming. A teacher telling students they are gay, or have a same sex partner, or may be trans or transnonbinary is not grooming. But libsoftiktok would claim it was. There have been bomb threats to hospitals that libsoftiktok claimed performed hysterectomies on children based on the fact that the receptionist at the hospital, after a "faux" caller specifically asked if their 16 year old could have a gender affirming hysterectomy, said she'd be willing to make an appointment to talk to a doctor. This became "hospital does hysterectomies on children" rather than "hospital willing to make an appointment for someone who is asking about whether they can have a hysterectomy for their children" - and led to bomb threats at that children's hospital. Can you not see how that is taking things significantly out of context to spin a narrative?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,675
    edited June 2023
    Pulpstar said:

    He often slogs it for a quick 15 or so but it's difficult to believe Broad got a century against Pakistan.

    The only time Broad got a test century the opposition captain and half the bowling team ended up in prison for spot fixing.
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Peter Hitchens in his column yesterday claimed that it's almost impossible to get hold of the 1971 film Sunday Bloody Sunday starring Glenda Jackson and Peter Finch. I'd be interested to know if that's actually the case.

    I downloaded it in about 10 minutes after a 5 second search. If that counts?
    Whole thing is on YouTube
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,205
    IanB2 said:

    Popcorn at the ready….

    Meanwhile Braverman sounds surprisingly nervous doing an urgent statement on stop and search

    What's she saying about it ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,600
    edited June 2023
    Can't see the Aussies scoring at more than 4 an over, which means perhaps around 65 overs will be required from their pov.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    Pulpstar said:

    IanB2 said:

    Popcorn at the ready….

    Meanwhile Braverman sounds surprisingly nervous doing an urgent statement on stop and search

    What's she saying about it ?
    It’s a vital tool in policing
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,226
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Skyeman said:

    RFK Jr on the Pfizer Vaccine: "22,000 people got the Vaccine and 22,000 didn't. During that six month period, 1 Vaccinated person died of Covid and in the placebo group 2 people died. That allows Pfizer and the FDA to say the Vaccine is 100% effective."

    Interesting stuff from RFK jr.

    https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1670468656097275905?s=20

    Man, you guys are like a broken record.
    RFK junior sounsd indististinguishable from Trump.
    He's really unconvincing

    However I think the refusal by scientists to debate RFK's antivaxxery on Joe Rogan is a major mistake. They are haughtily doing it on the basis that debating him would give credence to a "conspiracy theory"

    But for a year these same pompous, self-important scientists told us "lab leak" was a baseless conspiracy, and forbade debates on it

    People no longer kneel, automatically, before The Science. If antivaxxery is foolish nonsense (and it probably is, but we don;t know for sure, and this is a live issue) then debate it, Prove your case. Make RFK look like a jerk. Don't avoid debate on the basis scientists shouldn't have to bother with these "nutters". The scientists were the nutters who told us lab leak was impossible
    When do you think you might truly get over being mocked and derided for energetically promoting the lab leak theory for unsavoury hard right political reasons rather than in a genuine search for the truth?

    Because it seems to be getting worse if anything. Still very very raw.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,466
    Scott_xP said:

    @lizziedearden
    Breaking: The Met Police has launched a new investigation into alleged breaches of Covid laws at Downing Street, Chequers, inside parliament and at CCHQ

    It said "a number of other events" have been referred since original Partygate probe

    @jamesjohnson252
    Partygate contagion now extending beyond Boris Johnson and to the wider Conservative Party.

    Barnard Castle + Partygate still come up in focus groups. Lockdown-breaking could end up being the defining political story of this parliament.

    Not sure how this does any good. The political damage is done. The cost of the investigation will be orders of magnitude greater than any fines. And it will just be FPN again.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,121
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    Peter Hitchens in his column yesterday claimed that it's almost impossible to get hold of the 1971 film Sunday Bloody Sunday starring Glenda Jackson and Peter Finch. I'd be interested to know if that's actually the case.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylixUPF5FpQ
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=download+youtube+videos
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