“ Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.
According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu
They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.
Gain-of-function research involves altering animal viruses in a lab to make them more infectious.“
I strongly suspect the US government knew from the start it almost certainly came from the lab, but they conspired to keep it quiet because
1. The US funded some of the GOF research
2. They didn’t want to help Trump who was loudly talking about “Wuhan flu”
3. They had a lot of terrified scientists saying “if we admit that we’ve killed millions of people we will get lynched and science will finish”
So they got lab leak literally banned as a subject matter, for a year, on Twitter and Facebook
You just know this won't be published in the Guardian or the Independent. Because tribalism.
Because China is a non-White majority country and, to many on that side of the fence, criticising such a country under any circumstances is always a bit racial.
I am guilty of this sort of 'sophisticated contempt' myself on occasion, and in political terms it does me think I might sometimes be a bit harsh on those genuinely enthusiastic about a political ideology, rather than some condescending centrist fudge. Loved this column from @j_amesmarriott on why enthusiasm > snark https://twitter.com/mrianleslie/status/1669292587868467200/photo/1 Though I still think the execreble conduct you see in defence of a person or ideology which is of the 'correct' tribe justifies that distance.
But as far as cultural criticis go, absolutely.
You also see this with difficult or uncomfortable truths. Any neutral observer could see Lab Leak was entirely plausible as an explanation for Covid, and is now highly likely, or near certain
Yet there is a kind of world weary middlebrow PB-er who preferred (and some still prefer) to accept the easier, comforting, received opinion, rather than risk looking ridiculous. I know I bang on obnoxiously about IQ but it really is the mid range PBers (in terms of intellect) who do this. @Foxy, @kinabalu et al - the Quintessentially Beta People- just as it is the mid range critics who resist enthusiasm in music or art, for fear of having their intense mediocrity revealed
I still don't understand why a certain type of person was so offended by the lab leak hypothesis.
Nor do I. It is a really weird mental syndrome. And most (not all) of the mad anti lab leakers seem to be on the left - here and elsewhere
Why this political division on a subject of basic science?! Is it Trump? Still? Really??
Is it coz "lab leak" is deemed racist? How is it less racist than saying it came from cruel Chinese with filthy eating habits guzzling bat soup in a squalid market?
One of the oddities of the age
So, lab leak...
Yes, it's possible, it's always been possible. But the reaction against it has been mostly a reaction against the loons who were certain about it in the face of a complete lack of evidence.
Person 1: it came from the lab! There's a fucking lab right there! Person 2: that's not evidence, other viruses have come from a animals on the wild.
Person 1 hears themselves saying they're open minded, not convinced, waiting for evidence Person 2 hears person 1 saying no way is it a lab leak (which, given the lack of evidence either way, would also be ridiculous)
I'm still open minded, as there's no compelling evidence either way. Natural source is possible, lab leak is possible. But I suspect you'll accuse me of being a lab leak denier
If it is a lab leak, I do think we'll probably get the proof some day. Someone knows or strongly suspects of that's the case. The not from the lab angle is harder/near impossible to prove, absent discovery of earliest infections far from the lab, which is of course great for the lab leak fans.
Even the ultimate wet marketeers - the guys who wrote the ludicrous Nature paper proximal origins - are now beginning to recant
“Influential Covid origin paper which dismissed China lab leak as conspiracy theory went 'too far', claims one of the researchers
By John Ely Senior Health Reporter For Mailonline Updated 16:11, 13 Jun 2023”
It’s over. It came from the lab. But you’ll never admit it because you’re too embarrassed
I still remember one of the earliest things about all this shit was overhearing two biomed professors talking and laughing saying something like "Ha! Yeah! Wouldn't surprise me! That Wuhan lab is a total shit-show! Hahahahaa...."
(That was about xmas 2019 / jan 2020)
Jeremy Farrar - then of the Wellcome - on learning of the lax biosecurity at Wuhan called it “Wild West”. He also said he favoured lab leak by 60/40 (IIRC). All revealed in emails that had to be FOIA’d
About a week later he co-signed the notorious letter to the Lancet which called lab leak a “conspiracy theory” with no basis in fact
I mean, it’s all out there. Public record. Why aren’t these people on trial? Or at least facing severe questions? 23.4 million people have died and they tried to cover up the reason
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Oh for heaven's sake what is wrong with these people? It might be a tactical mistake to oust your leader, it might not, but why do they use an argument that suggests it is or should be impermissable to remove your party leader, especially once they have lost the support of the Commons (due to losing it among their party)? It confuses me because they could just stick with saying it was a mistake to remove the PM, because he was a vote winner, rather than extend it out to a principle that it is inherently wrong even if they were leading the party to disaster.
That's not even touching on what that has to do with the Committee, acting on instruction of the House without a division, investigating whether the PM lied to the House.
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Hang on. He resigned as PM, and more recently resigned as MP. No one removed him but himself. Ditto Ms Truss.
Just once I would like someone to genuinely stick it out and not resign once the writing was on the wall, force their party or the Commons to take them down formally, because whilst we all know such people are forced into resigning, they don't adjust their language to acknowledge they ultimately chose to do so.
“ Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.
According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu
They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.
Gain-of-function research involves altering animal viruses in a lab to make them more infectious.“
I strongly suspect the US government knew from the start it almost certainly came from the lab, but they conspired to keep it quiet because
1. The US funded some of the GOF research
2. They didn’t want to help Trump who was loudly talking about “Wuhan flu”
3. They had a lot of terrified scientists saying “if we admit that we’ve killed millions of people we will get lynched and science will finish”
So they got lab leak literally banned as a subject matter, for a year, on Twitter and Facebook
You just know this won't be published in the Guardian or the Independent. Because tribalism.
Because China is a non-White majority country and, to many on that side of the fence, criticising such a country under any circumstances is always a bit racial.
Err,no.
The Wet market origin hypothesis is much more serious an indictment of China, for cruelty to animals and poor food hygiene. Ending these markets would be a positive step for reducing biohazard risk.
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You can make any body of people sound vaguely silly that way. Hi-vized pensioners helping kids across the road? The lollipop community. Small furry animals passing through your garden? The feline community. People working at the council? The municipally administrative community. Daft, but no less daft than the enslaved community, or even the Sikh community.
There are 352 Tory MPs. Just seven have publicly indicated they‘ll come to Boris’s aid by voting against the partygate report.
The BBC coverage on the radio has been fascinating today. For every Johnson critic they have had to balance out their coverage by interviewing Brendan Clarke -Smith or some other moron.
Johnson has been banged to rights, but the BBC keep giving Team Johnson the right to reply.
I'm trying to put myself in his mind, and I still cannot see that. I can see why it would make it no less likely, on the basis if you dislike Rishi and like Boris then that would remain true, and if you felt the process was a stitch up you would still think so. LIkewise, if he is to stand somewhere in 2023/4 somehow, or return in triumph once Rishi loses, his chances among those who like him are unaffected by the specifics of the report.
So I have to conclude it's just that reactive nonsense that politics is all about now. "I'm crap? No, you're crap". "He's done? No, he's stronger than ever". Just an instinctive rejoinder, which must go beyond rejecting anything weakening them, but in fact everything strengthening them.
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Oh for heaven's sake what is wrong with these people?
I think we should consider the possibility and indeed probability that they are very fucking stupid.
What gets me is how loyal some of them are to someone who has not shown loyalty to any boss, partner, or ally, in his entire life. He even screwed up Dorries' peerage by being wrong in his assurances to her.
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Liz is doing well on GBNews in Leigh - to be fair, she's being bowled the softest of balls by a sympathetic host and a very sympathetic audience, but she does come over several times more genuine than Sunak on his best day.
I am glad that she's out there making Trussian arguments - arguments that are a little more piquant now Rishi has officially 'wrecked the economy' as much as she did.
FPT, your convo about "...2 countries of which one European are on the verge of buying a total of more then 200 Merkave mk2 and mk3 tanks from Israeli storage...https://twitter.com/Jeff21461/status/1669360854641278978 ...I wonder where these will be going...?"
May I point you to a rather fine past article in which the author pointed out that the Poles were on a spending spree which included all the tanks?
So it's either Poland or, given that Merkavas are heavy and difficult to deploy outside their country (a problem that isn't a problem for Israel, whose planning horizons don't include oceans), possibly Ukraine? They'd be a good fit: rear entrance, good in built-up areas, has own toilet so can poo inside. Plus don't they have active defence, Iron Whatever for tanks? Good for fighting drones.
My thinking is that they could be either: *) Being refurbed and then straight to Ukraine; *) Being sent to an Eastern European country, to backfill for other tanks being sent to Ukraine.
My tuppence would be on the former. Ukraine needs tanks / IFVs, and age of kit isn't necessarily a limiting factor in this war. But I'm probably wrong.
Backfill seems more likely. Ukraine doesn't want yet another set of kit to have to train on and support logistically. Nor does Israel want to supply arms directly.
And there's plenty of precedent with Leopards in exchange for T72s etc.
You might well be correct. But the "Ukraine doesn't want yet another set of kit to have to train on and support logistically." has been said many times over the course of the war. Then yet another set of different kit gets sent, and Ukraine seems to manage.
If the reporting on the US intelligence is accurate then it seems a lab leak moves from possible to more likely than any other explanation.
I wonder how long they have had that intelligence? Did they know from the start or was it only uncovered more recently? It’s surprising that Trump didn’t order it to be made public if it was known earlier, unless it was deliberately kept from him.
I suspect that the US government has been reading the communications of Chinese officials who were dealing with COVID-19 all along. So the US would have concluded it was or was not a lab leak as soon as the Chinese officials did.
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You sure? I've seen "enslaved people" which is rather different (and avoids the demeaning, to many, 'slave').
“ Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.
According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu
They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.
Gain-of-function research involves altering animal viruses in a lab to make them more infectious.“
I strongly suspect the US government knew from the start it almost certainly came from the lab, but they conspired to keep it quiet because
1. The US funded some of the GOF research
2. They didn’t want to help Trump who was loudly talking about “Wuhan flu”
3. They had a lot of terrified scientists saying “if we admit that we’ve killed millions of people we will get lynched and science will finish”
So they got lab leak literally banned as a subject matter, for a year, on Twitter and Facebook
You just know this won't be published in the Guardian or the Independent. Because tribalism.
Because China is a non-White majority country and, to many on that side of the fence, criticising such a country under any circumstances is always a bit racial.
Err,no.
The Wet market origin hypothesis is much more serious an indictment of China, for cruelty to animals and poor food hygiene. Ending these markets would be a positive step for reducing biohazard risk.
Agreed, but it's both not either/or: food hygiene and proper sanitary control is needed of their animal food chain as well as proper biosecurity in their sloppy labs. And transparency is needed in general in their governance.
It's pretty obvious that liberal views on the lab-leak theory in Western countries were set by who liberals here perceived to be on the other side of that argument, folk like Trump, and the rest followed and worked back from that.
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You sure? I've seen "enslaved people" which is rather different (and avoids the demeaning, to many, 'slave').
I guess it is out of politeness. “Slave” does sound worse. But should we make something evil sound “nicer”? They were slaves. That’s it
Meanwhile his house is beautify and airy
But at every juncture I think, Yeah, ok Jeffers, but you were fucking your slave girls, weren’t you? And he was. By one of them - Sally Hemings - he had several children
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You can make any body of people sound vaguely silly that way. Hi-vized pensioners helping kids across the road? The lollipop community. Small furry animals passing through your garden? The feline community. People working at the council? The municipally administrative community. Daft, but no less daft than the enslaved community, or even the Sikh community.
“ Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.
According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu
They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.
Gain-of-function research involves altering animal viruses in a lab to make them more infectious.“
I strongly suspect the US government knew from the start it almost certainly came from the lab, but they conspired to keep it quiet because
1. The US funded some of the GOF research
2. They didn’t want to help Trump who was loudly talking about “Wuhan flu”
3. They had a lot of terrified scientists saying “if we admit that we’ve killed millions of people we will get lynched and science will finish”
So they got lab leak literally banned as a subject matter, for a year, on Twitter and Facebook
You just know this won't be published in the Guardian or the Independent. Because tribalism.
Because China is a non-White majority country and, to many on that side of the fence, criticising such a country under any circumstances is always a bit racial.
Err,no.
The Wet market origin hypothesis is much more serious an indictment of China, for cruelty to animals and poor food hygiene. Ending these markets would be a positive step for reducing biohazard risk.
Agreed, but it's both not either/or: food hygiene and proper sanitary control is needed of their animal food chain as well as proper biosecurity in their sloppy labs. And transparency is needed in general in their governance.
It's pretty obvious that liberal views on the lab-leak theory in Western countries were set by who liberals here perceived to be on the other side of that argument, folk like Trump, and the rest followed and worked back from that.
We are remarkably introverted and self-obsessed.
We'll probably never know for sure where it started. Lab leak is looking more likely, but its far from certain.
IMV it's better to concentrate our ire on the thing we can blame China for: the fact that when the outbreak started, they kept what was going on secret for so many weeks, allowing the virus to spread further and faster. Their actions were utterly negligent.
A familiar story - lack of oversight, lack of curiosity, timidity over big issues and a focus on just keeping bills low, a culture that only wants good news and is extremely defensiv, - but still shocking for all that. A remarkable turnaround after delegating far too much authority to what is now clear was an incompetent, and not having sufficient oversight - it says their borrowing went from £34m to £1bn in just 4 years.
This phrase is a corker though
...the culmination of years of dysfunctional leadership characterised by complacency, denial, and what the review called “unconscious incompetence”
Also know as...incompetence.
Maybe they mean they were all crap in their sleep and/or concussed.
I'm reading the report, and my word, the committee really have torn Lord Pannick KC, a new one in legal terms.
It's no more than what was said, here and elsewhere, by plenty of lawyers when his original Opinion came out.
I know but it is great to see it as part of the official record of Parliament.
They use the kind of snark I use.
I bet I out-snark you in my reports.
I am going to toot my own trumpet and say that my talk last week was described in the trade press as "engaging, entertaining and forthright". Even my youngest was impressed and he and his siblings generally behave as if I were a simpleton barely able to do up my shoelaces.
As a result I am now going to be writing regularly and doing a podcast, which will be fun! And be paid for it, which will be even more fun!! Alas no travel. Yet. Perhaps I could post pictures of coffees taken in various parts of the City of London with "guess which church is behind me?" or "which crook worked here? quizzes.
“ Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.
According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu
They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.
Gain-of-function research involves altering animal viruses in a lab to make them more infectious.“
I strongly suspect the US government knew from the start it almost certainly came from the lab, but they conspired to keep it quiet because
1. The US funded some of the GOF research
2. They didn’t want to help Trump who was loudly talking about “Wuhan flu”
3. They had a lot of terrified scientists saying “if we admit that we’ve killed millions of people we will get lynched and science will finish”
So they got lab leak literally banned as a subject matter, for a year, on Twitter and Facebook
You just know this won't be published in the Guardian or the Independent. Because tribalism.
Because China is a non-White majority country and, to many on that side of the fence, criticising such a country under any circumstances is always a bit racial.
Err,no.
The Wet market origin hypothesis is much more serious an indictment of China, for cruelty to animals and poor food hygiene. Ending these markets would be a positive step for reducing biohazard risk.
Agreed, but it's both not either/or: food hygiene and proper sanitary control is needed of their animal food chain as well as proper biosecurity in their sloppy labs. And transparency is needed in general in their governance.
It's pretty obvious that liberal views on the lab-leak theory in Western countries were set by who liberals here perceived to be on the other side of that argument, folk like Trump, and the rest followed and worked back from that.
We are remarkably introverted and self-obsessed.
We'll probably never know for sure where it started. Lab leak is looking more likely, but its far from certain.
IMV it's better to concentrate our ire on the thing we can blame China for: the fact that when the outbreak started, they kept what was going on secret for so many weeks, allowing the virus to spread further and faster. Their actions were utterly negligent.
There is now increasing evidence that, not only did it leak from the lab (few bother to deny this now) but that there WAS some military involvement at the WIV and China was doing bioweapons research linked to the coronavirus GOF stuff. This does not mean they intentionally released it on the world (that would be mad without a vaccine ready to go) - but it does make the question of origin REALLY important
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You sure? I've seen "enslaved people" which is rather different (and avoids the demeaning, to many, 'slave').
I guess it is out of politeness. “Slave” does sound worse. But should we make something evil sound “nicer”? They were slaves. That’s it
Meanwhile his house is beautify and airy
But at every juncture I think, Yeah, ok Jeffers, but you were fucking your slave girls, weren’t you? And he was. By one of them - Sally Hemings - he had several children
Awks.
All very Roman, whether Republic or Principate. Not just the architecture of the portico.
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
I'm surpised they don't call them immigrants, or indentured servants.
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You sure? I've seen "enslaved people" which is rather different (and avoids the demeaning, to many, 'slave').
I guess it is out of politeness. “Slave” does sound worse. But should we make something evil sound “nicer”? They were slaves. That’s it
Meanwhile his house is beautify and airy
But at every juncture I think, Yeah, ok Jeffers, but you were fucking your slave girls, weren’t you? And he was. By one of them - Sally Hemings - he had several children
Awks.
I guess the idea is to try to restore their humanity by making them sound a little more human and little less like objects. I think it's understandable, although I would personally just say "slaves". I think if people need reminding that slaves are humans (and some definitely do), you need a longer format discussion.
Mind, I did see a couple of Jefferson's specimens of fossil elephants in a fine touring exhibition some years back (edit: he was really into them, and perhaps better knwon for that than his slaves, at least till recently).
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Liz is doing well on GBNews in Leigh - to be fair, she's being bowled the softest of balls by a sympathetic host and a very sympathetic audience, but she does come over several times more genuine than Sunak on his best day.
I am glad that she's out there making Trussian arguments - arguments that are a little more piquant now Rishi has officially 'wrecked the economy' as much as she did.
Today Leigh, tomorrow the mean streets of Uxbridge!
We spoke to Lord Heseltine tonight at the Strand Group event organised by @carmichaelneil_ He wasn’t polite about Boris Johnson- saying he had nothing in common with his idol Churchill and would be remember for the worst political disaster in 50 years. Watch on ITV News at 10
We spoke to Lord Heseltine tonight at the Strand Group event organised by @carmichaelneil_ He wasn’t polite about Boris Johnson- saying he had nothing in common with his idol Churchill and would be remember for the worst political disaster in 50 years. Watch on ITV News at 10
That is news. Until now Heseltine has always been nothing but polite about Johnson.
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You sure? I've seen "enslaved people" which is rather different (and avoids the demeaning, to many, 'slave').
I guess it is out of politeness. “Slave” does sound worse. But should we make something evil sound “nicer”? They were slaves. That’s it
Meanwhile his house is beautify and airy
But at every juncture I think, Yeah, ok Jeffers, but you were fucking your slave girls, weren’t you? And he was. By one of them - Sally Hemings - he had several children
Awks.
I guess the idea is to try to restore their humanity by making them sound a little more human and little less like objects. I think it's understandable, although I would personally just say "slaves". I think if people need reminding that slaves are humans (and some definitely do), you need a longer format discussion.
Mind, I did see a couple of Jefferson's specimens of fossil elephants in a fine touring exhibition some years back (edit: he was really into them, and perhaps better knwon for that than his slaves, at least till recently).
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You sure? I've seen "enslaved people" which is rather different (and avoids the demeaning, to many, 'slave').
I guess it is out of politeness. “Slave” does sound worse. But should we make something evil sound “nicer”? They were slaves. That’s it
Meanwhile his house is beautify and airy
But at every juncture I think, Yeah, ok Jeffers, but you were fucking your slave girls, weren’t you? And he was. By one of them - Sally Hemings - he had several children
Awks.
I guess the idea is to try to restore their humanity by making them sound a little more human and little less like objects. I think it's understandable, although I would personally just say "slaves". I think if people need reminding that slaves are humans (and some definitely do), you need a longer format discussion.
Mind, I did see a couple of Jefferson's specimens of fossil elephants in a fine touring exhibition some years back (edit: he was really into them, and perhaps better knwon for that than his slaves, at least till recently).
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You sure? I've seen "enslaved people" which is rather different (and avoids the demeaning, to many, 'slave').
I guess it is out of politeness. “Slave” does sound worse. But should we make something evil sound “nicer”? They were slaves. That’s it
Meanwhile his house is beautify and airy
But at every juncture I think, Yeah, ok Jeffers, but you were fucking your slave girls, weren’t you? And he was. By one of them - Sally Hemings - he had several children
Awks.
I guess the idea is to try to restore their humanity by making them sound a little more human and little less like objects. I think it's understandable, although I would personally just say "slaves". I think if people need reminding that slaves are humans (and some definitely do), you need a longer format discussion.
Mind, I did see a couple of Jefferson's specimens of fossil elephants in a fine touring exhibition some years back (edit: he was really into them, and perhaps better knwon for that than his slaves, at least till recently).
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Liz is doing well on GBNews in Leigh - to be fair, she's being bowled the softest of balls by a sympathetic host and a very sympathetic audience, but she does come over several times more genuine than Sunak on his best day.
I am glad that she's out there making Trussian arguments - arguments that are a little more piquant now Rishi has officially 'wrecked the economy' as much as she did.
Eurozone rates now at the highest for 20 years. Surely Sunak will have to resign as a result. Or is this nonsense about increasing interest rates in a time of inflation supposedly wreaking the economy just that?
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
I'm surpised they don't call them immigrants, or indentured servants.
OTOH they very definitely did form a community of their own when they fetched up in the States.
I'm reading the report, and my word, the committee really have torn Lord Pannick KC, a new one in legal terms.
It's no more than what was said, here and elsewhere, by plenty of lawyers when his original Opinion came out.
I know but it is great to see it as part of the official record of Parliament.
They use the kind of snark I use.
I bet I out-snark you in my reports.
I am going to toot my own trumpet and say that my talk last week was described in the trade press as "engaging, entertaining and forthright". Even my youngest was impressed and he and his siblings generally behave as if I were a simpleton barely able to do up my shoelaces.
As a result I am now going to be writing regularly and doing a podcast, which will be fun! And be paid for it, which will be even more fun!! Alas no travel. Yet. Perhaps I could post pictures of coffees taken in various parts of the City of London with "guess which church is behind me?" or "which crook worked here? quizzes.
Don't put the Commons in the backdrop. We don't want a roll call of Johnson's admirers.
I do hope there remain enough sane members in the local parties of the likes of Bassetlaw to deselect his useless apologists.
Sean_F said: "I'm surpised they don't call them immigrants, or indentured servants."
Actually, the first African slaves to arrive in Virginia were legally classed as indentured servants. Though of course that changed over time.
As did other things. (I believe there were at least a few integrated Baptist churches early on, with poor whites and blacks worshiping together.)
(Incidentally, most of the early immigrants to Virginia were indentured servants from England, who were sometimes exploited by their masters. As I recall from reading "Albion's Seed" years ago, a servant girl who got pregnant would owe more years to her master for having deprived him of her labor.)
In contrast, New England leaders tried to discourage both the poor and the wealthy from coming, trying to keep their society mostly "middle class", as we might say now.
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You sure? I've seen "enslaved people" which is rather different (and avoids the demeaning, to many, 'slave').
I guess it is out of politeness. “Slave” does sound worse. But should we make something evil sound “nicer”? They were slaves. That’s it
Meanwhile his house is beautify and airy
But at every juncture I think, Yeah, ok Jeffers, but you were fucking your slave girls, weren’t you? And he was. By one of them - Sally Hemings - he had several children
Awks.
I guess the idea is to try to restore their humanity by making them sound a little more human and little less like objects. I think it's understandable, although I would personally just say "slaves". I think if people need reminding that slaves are humans (and some definitely do), you need a longer format discussion.
Mind, I did see a couple of Jefferson's specimens of fossil elephants in a fine touring exhibition some years back (edit: he was really into them, and perhaps better knwon for that than his slaves, at least till recently).
A familiar story - lack of oversight, lack of curiosity, timidity over big issues and a focus on just keeping bills low, a culture that only wants good news and is extremely defensiv, - but still shocking for all that. A remarkable turnaround after delegating far too much authority to what is now clear was an incompetent, and not having sufficient oversight - it says their borrowing went from £34m to £1bn in just 4 years.
This phrase is a corker though
...the culmination of years of dysfunctional leadership characterised by complacency, denial, and what the review called “unconscious incompetence”
Also know as...incompetence.
You are a lumper! In that you're lumping too much together as same ball of wax.
To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, there are at least FOUR types of in/competence
> conscious incompetence = when one knows one, or someone else, is incompetent. > unconscious incompetence = when one is oblivious to incompetence in oneself or others. > conscious competence = when one is aware of competence of whomever. > unconscious competence = when one is NOT aware of competence.
Some episodes appear to involve all four. For example, Pearl Harbor 1941.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Sarah "Sally" Hemings (c. 1773 – 1835) was an enslaved woman with one-quarter African ancestry owned by president of the United States Thomas Jefferson, one of many he inherited from his father-in-law, John Wayles.
Hemings's mother was Betty Hemings,[1] the daughter of an enslaved African woman and English Captain John Hemings. Sally's father, the owner of Betty, John Wayles, was also the father of Jefferson's wife, Martha. Sally was half-sister to Jefferson's wife and was of approximately three quarters English descent. Martha died during her marriage in 1782. In 1787, when she was 14, Sally Hemings accompanied Jefferson and his daughter by Martha to Paris. There Sally was a legally free and paid servant as slavery was not legal in France. At some time during her 26 months in Paris, the widower Jefferson began having intimate relations with her.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
That would slightly surprise me if true, given she was not only Jefferson's mistress but could pass for white.
The cabin claims to be an exact reproduction of the cabin where Sally Heming’s mum and dad lived, with their kids. Five of them in this room
So she certainly slept here as a child (or in a cabin precisely like this and on this location)
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson, being a man dedicated to the liberty and equality of all humans, allowed his fuckbuddy of the slave community out of the cabin when he needed a bunk up, then sent her back? Dunno
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
The awkwardness is intense. There’s no denying it
my god I’m getting a little Woke. I need a beer
Ahhhh
To me it is no more than a particularly vivid demonstration of human nature and our ability to persuade ourselves that the most extraordinary things are only right and proper. It is why I am increasingly tired and bored of this shame, shame shame routine (thankfully not including any nudity) involving Boris as if no politician in the history of the world has ever told such a whopper. He didn't even invade a third world country on the back of made up documents created by that pious protector of the truth Campbell.
The reality is we human beings civilise ourselves much less than we like to believe. We have not evolved as a species nor has human nature changed. Hence finding a solution in beer.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Did he bring the cabin along with him and her to Paris?
Many mocked Fawn Brodie when she wrote that Thomas Jefferson had children by Sally Hemings. Including the dean of Jeffersonian studies, Dumas Malone, whose multi-volume biography is nonetheless well worth reading, being based on extensive (if not exhaustive) archival research.
Then DNA provide Brodie was correct.
Something similar albeit less significant historically, happened when it was proven conclusively that Charles Lindbergh had a child by his (post WW2) German mistress. Which at first was challenged by Lindbergh's leading biographer.
Personally visited Monticello about thirty years ago. It is truly one of the great houses in America, and not just because - or mainly - because it housed a President.
Ah. Here is the burial ground for the members of the Monticello enslaved community. It’s good to see that Thomas Jefferson, albeit a man of his time, was nonetheless a loving owner of men and women, and made sure they were properly remembranced at death, with fitting memorials
They are referring to slaves as “the enslaved community”. Like “the Sikh community”. Like they just happened to migrate here and requested some shackles
What does that make the Jews arriving at Auschwitz? The pre-gassing community?
You can make any body of people sound vaguely silly that way. Hi-vized pensioners helping kids across the road? The lollipop community. Small furry animals passing through your garden? The feline community. People working at the council? The municipally administrative community. Daft, but no less daft than the enslaved community, or even the Sikh community.
FPT, your convo about "...2 countries of which one European are on the verge of buying a total of more then 200 Merkave mk2 and mk3 tanks from Israeli storage...https://twitter.com/Jeff21461/status/1669360854641278978 ...I wonder where these will be going...?"
May I point you to a rather fine past article in which the author pointed out that the Poles were on a spending spree which included all the tanks?
So it's either Poland or, given that Merkavas are heavy and difficult to deploy outside their country (a problem that isn't a problem for Israel, whose planning horizons don't include oceans), possibly Ukraine? They'd be a good fit: rear entrance, good in built-up areas, has own toilet so can poo inside. Plus don't they have active defence, Iron Whatever for tanks? Good for fighting drones.
My thinking is that they could be either: *) Being refurbed and then straight to Ukraine; *) Being sent to an Eastern European country, to backfill for other tanks being sent to Ukraine.
My tuppence would be on the former. Ukraine needs tanks / IFVs, and age of kit isn't necessarily a limiting factor in this war. But I'm probably wrong.
Backfill seems more likely. Ukraine doesn't want yet another set of kit to have to train on and support logistically. Nor does Israel want to supply arms directly.
And there's plenty of precedent with Leopards in exchange for T72s etc.
You might well be correct. But the "Ukraine doesn't want yet another set of kit to have to train on and support logistically." has been said many times over the course of the war. Then yet another set of different kit gets sent, and Ukraine seems to manage.
Given the weird assortment of… objects that the U.K. called it’s AFV collection in WWII…
T64, T72, Leopard 1 & 2, Challenger II and a couple of Merkeva versions seems coherent, really.
Interestingly the very end of the Boris report I see includes minutes where a couple of the members did indeed propose inclusion of a line about expulsion from the House (notwithstanding this was after he'd left, as the length of potential sanction was increased due to his actions in response to the draft, including attacking them), but that did not pass - bit of a silly thing to have included, because now even though they were not proposing to Boris to expel him when he resigned, now the report includes reference to expulsion withou it needing to.
Maybe that’s a strength, not a weakness. Look, we considered expelling him, but we chose not to. It shows this isn’t a partisan hit job.
Sarah "Sally" Hemings (c. 1773 – 1835) was an enslaved woman with one-quarter African ancestry owned by president of the United States Thomas Jefferson, one of many he inherited from his father-in-law, John Wayles.
Hemings's mother was Betty Hemings,[1] the daughter of an enslaved African woman and English Captain John Hemings. Sally's father, the owner of Betty, John Wayles, was also the father of Jefferson's wife, Martha. Sally was half-sister to Jefferson's wife and was of approximately three quarters English descent. Martha died during her marriage in 1782. In 1787, when she was 14, Sally Hemings accompanied Jefferson and his daughter by Martha to Paris. There Sally was a legally free and paid servant as slavery was not legal in France. At some time during her 26 months in Paris, the widower Jefferson began having intimate relations with her.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
That would slightly surprise me if true, given she was not only Jefferson's mistress but could pass for white.
The cabin claims to be an exact reproduction of the cabin where Sally Heming’s mum and dad lived, with their kids. Five of them in this room
So she certainly slept here as a child (or in a cabin precisely like this and on this location)
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson, being a man dedicated to the liberty and equality of all humans, allowed his fuckbuddy of the slave community out of the cabin when he needed a bunk up, then sent her back? Dunno
Her father would not have lived in the 'Negro Quarter,' because he was white (and a plantation owner himself)! Just as Hemings was exploited by Jefferson, so her mixed race mother was exploited by, in this case, Jefferson's father in law.
I'm thinking they're either telling you a lot of nonsense, or you've misunderstood.
A familiar story - lack of oversight, lack of curiosity, timidity over big issues and a focus on just keeping bills low, a culture that only wants good news and is extremely defensiv, - but still shocking for all that. A remarkable turnaround after delegating far too much authority to what is now clear was an incompetent, and not having sufficient oversight - it says their borrowing went from £34m to £1bn in just 4 years.
This phrase is a corker though
...the culmination of years of dysfunctional leadership characterised by complacency, denial, and what the review called “unconscious incompetence”
Also know as...incompetence.
You are a lumper! In that you're lumping too much together as same ball of wax.
To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, there are at least FOUR types of in/competence
> conscious incompetence = when one knows one, or someone else, is incompetent. > unconscious incompetence = when one is oblivious to incompetence in oneself or others. > conscious competence = when one is aware of competence of whomever. > unconscious competence = when one is NOT aware of competence.
Some episodes appear to involve all four. For example, Pearl Harbor 1941.
What about incompetent unconsciousness? Like the time I decided one rum and black for every one of my 17 years would be a good idea...
Sarah "Sally" Hemings (c. 1773 – 1835) was an enslaved woman with one-quarter African ancestry owned by president of the United States Thomas Jefferson, one of many he inherited from his father-in-law, John Wayles.
Hemings's mother was Betty Hemings,[1] the daughter of an enslaved African woman and English Captain John Hemings. Sally's father, the owner of Betty, John Wayles, was also the father of Jefferson's wife, Martha. Sally was half-sister to Jefferson's wife and was of approximately three quarters English descent. Martha died during her marriage in 1782. In 1787, when she was 14, Sally Hemings accompanied Jefferson and his daughter by Martha to Paris. There Sally was a legally free and paid servant as slavery was not legal in France. At some time during her 26 months in Paris, the widower Jefferson began having intimate relations with her.
Sarah "Sally" Hemings (c. 1773 – 1835) was an enslaved woman with one-quarter African ancestry owned by president of the United States Thomas Jefferson, one of many he inherited from his father-in-law, John Wayles.
Hemings's mother was Betty Hemings,[1] the daughter of an enslaved African woman and English Captain John Hemings. Sally's father, the owner of Betty, John Wayles, was also the father of Jefferson's wife, Martha. Sally was half-sister to Jefferson's wife and was of approximately three quarters English descent. Martha died during her marriage in 1782. In 1787, when she was 14, Sally Hemings accompanied Jefferson and his daughter by Martha to Paris. There Sally was a legally free and paid servant as slavery was not legal in France. At some time during her 26 months in Paris, the widower Jefferson began having intimate relations with her.
A familiar story - lack of oversight, lack of curiosity, timidity over big issues and a focus on just keeping bills low, a culture that only wants good news and is extremely defensiv, - but still shocking for all that. A remarkable turnaround after delegating far too much authority to what is now clear was an incompetent, and not having sufficient oversight - it says their borrowing went from £34m to £1bn in just 4 years.
This phrase is a corker though
...the culmination of years of dysfunctional leadership characterised by complacency, denial, and what the review called “unconscious incompetence”
Also know as...incompetence.
You are a lumper! In that you're lumping too much together as same ball of wax.
To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, there are at least FOUR types of in/competence
> conscious incompetence = when one knows one, or someone else, is incompetent. > unconscious incompetence = when one is oblivious to incompetence in oneself or others. > conscious competence = when one is aware of competence of whomever. > unconscious competence = when one is NOT aware of competence.
Some episodes appear to involve all four. For example, Pearl Harbor 1941.
A familiar story - lack of oversight, lack of curiosity, timidity over big issues and a focus on just keeping bills low, a culture that only wants good news and is extremely defensiv, - but still shocking for all that. A remarkable turnaround after delegating far too much authority to what is now clear was an incompetent, and not having sufficient oversight - it says their borrowing went from £34m to £1bn in just 4 years.
This phrase is a corker though
...the culmination of years of dysfunctional leadership characterised by complacency, denial, and what the review called “unconscious incompetence”
Also know as...incompetence.
You are a lumper! In that you're lumping too much together as same ball of wax.
To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, there are at least FOUR types of in/competence
> conscious incompetence = when one knows one, or someone else, is incompetent. > unconscious incompetence = when one is oblivious to incompetence in oneself or others. > conscious competence = when one is aware of competence of whomever. > unconscious competence = when one is NOT aware of competence.
Some episodes appear to involve all four. For example, Pearl Harbor 1941.
And the DfE.
Drunken, unconscious, well-meaning but marked incompetence?
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
That would slightly surprise me if true, given she was not only Jefferson's mistress but could pass for white.
The cabin claims to be an exact reproduction of the cabin where Sally Heming’s mum and dad lived, with their kids. Five of them in this room
So she certainly slept here as a child (or in a cabin precisely like this and on this location)
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson, being a man dedicated to the liberty and equality of all humans, allowed his fuckbuddy of the slave community out of the cabin when he needed a bunk up, then sent her back? Dunno
Her father would not have lived in the 'Negro Quarter,' because he was white. Just as Hemings was exploited by Jefferson, so her mixed race mother was exploited by, in this case, Jefferson's father in law.
I'm thinking they're either telling you a lot of nonsense, or you've misunderstood.
Mate, it’s called “Sally Heming’s cabin” on the map. And they’re saying it’s where her family lived
Her family were slaves. They lived in the slave cabins AKA the negro quarter
Rt Hon Nadine Dorries @NadineDorries · 26m My family and I are thrilled that our great friend @Fest4BedsPCC was selected tonight to become the next MP for MidBedfordshire.
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Liz is doing well on GBNews in Leigh - to be fair, she's being bowled the softest of balls by a sympathetic host and a very sympathetic audience, but she does come over several times more genuine than Sunak on his best day.
I am glad that she's out there making Trussian arguments - arguments that are a little more piquant now Rishi has officially 'wrecked the economy' as much as she did.
Eurozone rates now at the highest for 20 years. Surely Sunak will have to resign as a result. Or is this nonsense about increasing interest rates in a time of inflation supposedly wreaking the economy just that?
Liz was defenestrated when bond yields rose to 4.76%. They have now risen to 4.9%.
Sky News @SkyNews Artificial intelligence will threaten our democracy ahead of upcoming elections in the United Kingdom and the United States, according to one of the world's leading computer scientists
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
That would slightly surprise me if true, given she was not only Jefferson's mistress but could pass for white.
The cabin claims to be an exact reproduction of the cabin where Sally Heming’s mum and dad lived, with their kids. Five of them in this room
So she certainly slept here as a child (or in a cabin precisely like this and on this location)
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson, being a man dedicated to the liberty and equality of all humans, allowed his fuckbuddy of the slave community out of the cabin when he needed a bunk up, then sent her back? Dunno
Her father would not have lived in the 'Negro Quarter,' because he was white. Just as Hemings was exploited by Jefferson, so her mixed race mother was exploited by, in this case, Jefferson's father in law.
I'm thinking they're either telling you a lot of nonsense, or you've misunderstood.
Mate, it’s called “Sally Heming’s cabin” on the map. And they’re saying it’s where her family lived
Her family were slaves. They lived in the slave cabins AKA the negro quarter
Once uncle tom started tupping her it seems like she moved into the big house and out of the cabins
I’m here, you’re not, get a grip
Whether I'm there or not, her father would not have lived in that cabin. He was a planter and lived in a big house with a nice view and lots of enslaved people to wait on his every need.
Her mother, before 'uncle tom started tupping her' quite possibly, but on your own admission she would at that time have 'moved into the big house and out of the cabins.' That's the likeliest place for Hemings to have been brought up.
I think most likely you've garbled it. However, Yanks always did suck at history especially in heritage sites, so it's possible you've just been fed a load of garbage.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
It does make him a steaming hypocrite given that he wrote most of the Declaration of Independence with all its wank about liberty and equality for all human beings. Just not the dusky ones, eh?
Rt Hon Nadine Dorries @NadineDorries · 26m My family and I are thrilled that our great friend @Fest4BedsPCC was selected tonight to become the next MP for MidBedfordshire.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
It does make him a steaming hypocrite given that he wrote most of the Declaration of Independence with all its wank about liberty and equality for all human beings. Just not the dusky ones, eh?
in fact, many of his slaves and certainly his children by Hemings could have passed for white.
Which makes the attempts to defend slavery based on racial profiling even more bizarre.
Rt Hon Nadine Dorries @NadineDorries · 26m My family and I are thrilled that our great friend @Fest4BedsPCC was selected tonight to become the next MP for MidBedfordshire.
Fest 4 Beds sounds like a downmarket sofa shop that sits beside DFS.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
Oh, well that's alright then.
I forgot trafficking earlier.
There was a lady, high in Confederate society, who wrote a diary. Forget the name - major historical document, though.
According to her all the “young people” at the top of Confederate society (think Gone With The Wind) were actually anti-slavery. Not anti-slavery enough to actually free their slaves, but hey….
“ Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.
According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu
They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.
Gain-of-function research involves altering animal viruses in a lab to make them more infectious.“
I strongly suspect the US government knew from the start it almost certainly came from the lab, but they conspired to keep it quiet because
1. The US funded some of the GOF research
2. They didn’t want to help Trump who was loudly talking about “Wuhan flu”
3. They had a lot of terrified scientists saying “if we admit that we’ve killed millions of people we will get lynched and science will finish”
So they got lab leak literally banned as a subject matter, for a year, on Twitter and Facebook
Now that, if true, is evidence. Lab leak, smoking gun.
Has anyone other than the mail picked that up? Only I've been reading the mail last couple of days and it's full of crap, so if like to see a more reputable source.
The idea that these people were the first to fall sick has been around since early on. At the time, they were reported to have tested negative. I’ve not seen any actual evidence in recent reporting that demonstrates that they did have COVID-19. Some journalists interviewed some American officials. Well, some journalists have interviewed some American officials and decided there are UFOs. That’s not great evidence.
Meanwhile, the usual suspects are repeating the same far right conspiracy theories and talking about putting Fauci on trial.
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Liz is doing well on GBNews in Leigh - to be fair, she's being bowled the softest of balls by a sympathetic host and a very sympathetic audience, but she does come over several times more genuine than Sunak on his best day.
I am glad that she's out there making Trussian arguments - arguments that are a little more piquant now Rishi has officially 'wrecked the economy' as much as she did.
Eurozone rates now at the highest for 20 years. Surely Sunak will have to resign as a result. Or is this nonsense about increasing interest rates in a time of inflation supposedly wreaking the economy just that?
Liz was defenestrated when bond yields rose to 4.76%. They have now risen to 4.9%.
When Liz got bond rates to 4.76% that was well out of line with gilt rates of other similar countries because she significantly increased the risk premium attached to UK gilts by having such a grossly irresponsible policy. Our gilt rates are now back in line with comparators and have risen as we, along with everybody else, attempt to normalise interest rates. I really can't believe that you genuinely cannot see the difference.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
That would slightly surprise me if true, given she was not only Jefferson's mistress but could pass for white.
The cabin claims to be an exact reproduction of the cabin where Sally Heming’s mum and dad lived, with their kids. Five of them in this room
So she certainly slept here as a child (or in a cabin precisely like this and on this location)
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson, being a man dedicated to the liberty and equality of all humans, allowed his fuckbuddy of the slave community out of the cabin when he needed a bunk up, then sent her back? Dunno
Her father would not have lived in the 'Negro Quarter,' because he was white. Just as Hemings was exploited by Jefferson, so her mixed race mother was exploited by, in this case, Jefferson's father in law.
I'm thinking they're either telling you a lot of nonsense, or you've misunderstood.
Mate, it’s called “Sally Heming’s cabin” on the map. And they’re saying it’s where her family lived
Her family were slaves. They lived in the slave cabins AKA the negro quarter
Once uncle tom started tupping her it seems like she moved into the big house and out of the cabins
I’m here, you’re not, get a grip
Whether I'm there or not, her father would not have lived in that cabin. He was a planter and lived in a big house with a nice view and lots of enslaved people to wait on his every need.
Her mother, before 'uncle tom started tupping her' quite possibly, but on your own admission she would at that time have 'moved into the big house and out of the cabins.' That's the likeliest place for Hemings to have been brought up.
I think most likely you've garbled it. However, Yanks always did suck at history especially in heritage sites, so it's possible you've just been fed a load of garbage.
Ah, so the yanks are just terrible at archaeology?
So what’s this?
But no, they’re all wrong, “@ydeothur” a Welsh primary school janitor off of PB, who has never been here, knows Monticello better than the professional archaeologists who work here. Riiiiiight
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Sarah "Sally" Hemings (c. 1773 – 1835) was an enslaved woman with one-quarter African ancestry owned by president of the United States Thomas Jefferson, one of many he inherited from his father-in-law, John Wayles.
Hemings's mother was Betty Hemings,[1] the daughter of an enslaved African woman and English Captain John Hemings. Sally's father, the owner of Betty, John Wayles, was also the father of Jefferson's wife, Martha. Sally was half-sister to Jefferson's wife and was of approximately three quarters English descent. Martha died during her marriage in 1782. In 1787, when she was 14, Sally Hemings accompanied Jefferson and his daughter by Martha to Paris. There Sally was a legally free and paid servant as slavery was not legal in France. At some time during her 26 months in Paris, the widower Jefferson began having intimate relations with her.
Slavery was so fucked up. I mean, the whole thing is awful, but when people "own" their own children or people that they sleep with... It just captures how fucked up the whole thing is. I could never really vibe with the founding fathers because of this kind of shenanigans. Lincoln is my guy. The greatest political leader in the history of the English-speaking world, IMHO, bar none.
Sarah "Sally" Hemings (c. 1773 – 1835) was an enslaved woman with one-quarter African ancestry owned by president of the United States Thomas Jefferson, one of many he inherited from his father-in-law, John Wayles.
Hemings's mother was Betty Hemings,[1] the daughter of an enslaved African woman and English Captain John Hemings. Sally's father, the owner of Betty, John Wayles, was also the father of Jefferson's wife, Martha. Sally was half-sister to Jefferson's wife and was of approximately three quarters English descent. Martha died during her marriage in 1782. In 1787, when she was 14, Sally Hemings accompanied Jefferson and his daughter by Martha to Paris. There Sally was a legally free and paid servant as slavery was not legal in France. At some time during her 26 months in Paris, the widower Jefferson began having intimate relations with her.
Grooming, slavery and under age sex. Would keep the High court going for the best part of a week these days.
And then in Stoke or Scotland the judge would let the bastard off.
Well it would probably take 10 years to get to trial, and the lawyers would still only have about half the information provided 24 hours before the first day, so it's not that much of a surprise.
Sunil_Prasannan could have added more from that Wikipedia article:
For example: "Sally Hemings remained in France for 26 months. Slavery had been abolished in that country after the Revolution in 1789; Jefferson paid wages to her and James while they were in Paris. He paid Sally Hemings the equivalent of $2 a month. In comparison, he paid James Hemings $4 a month as chef-in-training, and his Parisian scullion $2.50 a month; the other French servants earned from $8 to $12 a month.[5] Toward the end of their stay, James used his money to pay for a French tutor and to learn the language, and Sally was also learning French.[10] There is no record of where she lived: it may have been with Jefferson and her brother in the Hôtel de Langeac on the Champs-Elysées, or at the convent Abbaye de Penthemont where the girls Maria and Martha were schooled. Whatever the weekday arrangements, Jefferson and his retinue spent weekends together at his villa.[30] Jefferson purchased some fine clothing for Hemings, which suggests that she accompanied Martha as a lady's maid to formal events.[31][32]
According to her son Madison's memoir, Hemings became pregnant by Jefferson in Paris. She was about 16 at the time. Under French law, Sally and James could have petitioned for their freedom,[33] but if she returned to Virginia with Jefferson, it would be as an enslaved person. She agreed to return with him to the United States, based on his promise to free her children when they came of age (at 21).[10][34] Hemings' strong ties to her mother, siblings, and extended family likely drew her back to Monticello."
So, Hemings stopped being Jefferson's slave, and then, apparently for the sake of her children, became one again, voluntarily. (She may have been freed after Jefferson's death by his heirs.)
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
That would slightly surprise me if true, given she was not only Jefferson's mistress but could pass for white.
The cabin claims to be an exact reproduction of the cabin where Sally Heming’s mum and dad lived, with their kids. Five of them in this room
So she certainly slept here as a child (or in a cabin precisely like this and on this location)
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson, being a man dedicated to the liberty and equality of all humans, allowed his fuckbuddy of the slave community out of the cabin when he needed a bunk up, then sent her back? Dunno
Her father would not have lived in the 'Negro Quarter,' because he was white. Just as Hemings was exploited by Jefferson, so her mixed race mother was exploited by, in this case, Jefferson's father in law.
I'm thinking they're either telling you a lot of nonsense, or you've misunderstood.
Mate, it’s called “Sally Heming’s cabin” on the map. And they’re saying it’s where her family lived
Her family were slaves. They lived in the slave cabins AKA the negro quarter
Once uncle tom started tupping her it seems like she moved into the big house and out of the cabins
I’m here, you’re not, get a grip
Whether I'm there or not, her father would not have lived in that cabin. He was a planter and lived in a big house with a nice view and lots of enslaved people to wait on his every need.
Her mother, before 'uncle tom started tupping her' quite possibly, but on your own admission she would at that time have 'moved into the big house and out of the cabins.' That's the likeliest place for Hemings to have been brought up.
I think most likely you've garbled it. However, Yanks always did suck at history especially in heritage sites, so it's possible you've just been fed a load of garbage.
Ah, so the yanks are just terrible at archaeology?
So what’s this?
But no, they’re all wrong, “@ydeothur” a Welsh primary school janitor off of PB, who has never been here, knows Monticello better than the professional archaeologists who work here. Riiiiiight
Well, I clearly know the history of her family better than they do, if they are saying that.
I say again, it is not possible that her father would have lived in that cabin. Planters did not live in cabins with enslaved families.
It's even less plausible than SeanT spending an evening sober. Or saying something vaguely sane about UFOs. Or without LadyG, Byronic, Eadric and the others...
"The average life expectancy in the United States has been on a decline since 2014. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cites three main reasons: a 72% increase in overdoses in the last decade (including a 30% increase in opioid overdoses from July 2016 to September 2017, but did not differentiate between accidental overdose with a legal prescription and overdose with opioids obtained illegally and/or combined with illegal drugs i.e., heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, etc.), a ten-year increase in liver disease (the rate for men age 25 to 34 increased by 8% per year; for women, by 11% per year), and a 33% increase in suicide rates since 1999." source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
So, according to the CDC, the decline in life expectancy in the US in the last decade was not due to increases in trans fats or guns. (Except, possibly, that guns may have made would-be suicides more likely to succeed in their attempts.)
This, https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm , suggests half of US suicides are by gun, and we know greater access to guns is associated with more suicides. So guns are definitely part of the equation.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
Oh, well that's alright then.
I forgot trafficking earlier.
There was a lady, high in Confederate society, who wrote a diary. Forget the name - major historical document, though.
According to her all the “young people” at the top of Confederate society (think Gone With The Wind) were actually anti-slavery. Not anti-slavery enough to actually free their slaves, but hey….
From my readings, by the time of the war, it was becoming increasingly obvious that the south had got themselves into an economic cul de sac which was inhibiting nascent industrial growth rather than assisting it. I suspect many southerners did indeed see that but they were damned if morally patronising northern Yankees were going to tell them what they should do.
Sky News @SkyNews Artificial intelligence will threaten our democracy ahead of upcoming elections in the United Kingdom and the United States, according to one of the world's leading computer scientists
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Liz is doing well on GBNews in Leigh - to be fair, she's being bowled the softest of balls by a sympathetic host and a very sympathetic audience, but she does come over several times more genuine than Sunak on his best day.
I am glad that she's out there making Trussian arguments - arguments that are a little more piquant now Rishi has officially 'wrecked the economy' as much as she did.
Eurozone rates now at the highest for 20 years. Surely Sunak will have to resign as a result. Or is this nonsense about increasing interest rates in a time of inflation supposedly wreaking the economy just that?
Liz was defenestrated when bond yields rose to 4.76%. They have now risen to 4.9%.
Shows the value of taking one's time, not announcing a major policy half cocked, totally unprepared to answer questions about it, as you'll be hard to shift if you've bedded in - if she'd made it to Christmas she'd still be here now. I thought ditching Kwarteng in ruthless fashion may have bought her that time, but she just imploded too damn dast.
Besides, it was polls being in a nosedive which did for her, not the yields in themselves. Sunak's not really recovered much, but the party probably doesn't fear dropping any lower at least.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
Oh, well that's alright then.
I forgot trafficking earlier.
There was a lady, high in Confederate society, who wrote a diary. Forget the name - major historical document, though.
According to her all the “young people” at the top of Confederate society (think Gone With The Wind) were actually anti-slavery. Not anti-slavery enough to actually free their slaves, but hey….
Mary Chesnut; her diary (best) edited by C Van Woodward.
She from socially prominent family and married to South Carolina US senator. Privy to lots of high-place scuttlebutt, etc. and above-average analyst of same.
Perhaps most illuminating passages - certainly in tune with PB right now - deal with her knowledge of, and reaction to, fact that her husband, other male relatives and just about every guy who owned a few slaves, was in habit of frequent "relations" with their slave women, for fun AND profit.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
That would slightly surprise me if true, given she was not only Jefferson's mistress but could pass for white.
The cabin claims to be an exact reproduction of the cabin where Sally Heming’s mum and dad lived, with their kids. Five of them in this room
So she certainly slept here as a child (or in a cabin precisely like this and on this location)
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson, being a man dedicated to the liberty and equality of all humans, allowed his fuckbuddy of the slave community out of the cabin when he needed a bunk up, then sent her back? Dunno
Her father would not have lived in the 'Negro Quarter,' because he was white. Just as Hemings was exploited by Jefferson, so her mixed race mother was exploited by, in this case, Jefferson's father in law.
I'm thinking they're either telling you a lot of nonsense, or you've misunderstood.
Mate, it’s called “Sally Heming’s cabin” on the map. And they’re saying it’s where her family lived
Her family were slaves. They lived in the slave cabins AKA the negro quarter
Once uncle tom started tupping her it seems like she moved into the big house and out of the cabins
I’m here, you’re not, get a grip
Whether I'm there or not, her father would not have lived in that cabin. He was a planter and lived in a big house with a nice view and lots of enslaved people to wait on his every need.
Her mother, before 'uncle tom started tupping her' quite possibly, but on your own admission she would at that time have 'moved into the big house and out of the cabins.' That's the likeliest place for Hemings to have been brought up.
I think most likely you've garbled it. However, Yanks always did suck at history especially in heritage sites, so it's possible you've just been fed a load of garbage.
Ah, so the yanks are just terrible at archaeology?
So what’s this?
But no, they’re all wrong, “@ydeothur” a Welsh primary school janitor off of PB, who has never been here, knows Monticello better than the professional archaeologists who work here. Riiiiiight
Well, I clearly know the history of her family better than they do, if they are saying that.
I say again, it is not possible that her father would have lived in that cabin. Planters did not live in cabins with enslaved families.
It's even less plausible than SeanT spending an evening sober. Or saying something vaguely sane about UFOs. Or without LadyG, Byronic, Eadric and the others...
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You’re embarrassing yourself. Monticello is one of the most scrutinised historical sites in the USA. The archaeologists saying Sally lived in the cabins are professionals
She was a slave. She would have lived in the slave quarters, certainly as a child. Looks like she went back to the cabins even after Paris. It wouldn’t have mattered that she could “pass for white” - the law was the law. A slave was a slave. One drop of blood and all that
However, once she started having lots of kids by Jefferson there is evidence she moved to the big house
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
That would slightly surprise me if true, given she was not only Jefferson's mistress but could pass for white.
The cabin claims to be an exact reproduction of the cabin where Sally Heming’s mum and dad lived, with their kids. Five of them in this room
So she certainly slept here as a child (or in a cabin precisely like this and on this location)
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson, being a man dedicated to the liberty and equality of all humans, allowed his fuckbuddy of the slave community out of the cabin when he needed a bunk up, then sent her back? Dunno
Her father would not have lived in the 'Negro Quarter,' because he was white. Just as Hemings was exploited by Jefferson, so her mixed race mother was exploited by, in this case, Jefferson's father in law.
I'm thinking they're either telling you a lot of nonsense, or you've misunderstood.
Mate, it’s called “Sally Heming’s cabin” on the map. And they’re saying it’s where her family lived
Her family were slaves. They lived in the slave cabins AKA the negro quarter
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
Oh, well that's alright then.
I forgot trafficking earlier.
It’s interesting to consider what’s worse. Knowing you’re doing wrong, but it’s profitable, so you do it anyway. Jefferson’s view.
Or not caring either way. The view of the average slave dealer.
Or persuading yourself that bad is good. The view of the Confederates.
Sounds the sort of thing my son writes his philosophy essays on. On balance I would say the third because the other two are pragmatic and therefore more amenable to change.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
Oh, well that's alright then.
I forgot trafficking earlier.
There was a lady, high in Confederate society, who wrote a diary. Forget the name - major historical document, though.
According to her all the “young people” at the top of Confederate society (think Gone With The Wind) were actually anti-slavery. Not anti-slavery enough to actually free their slaves, but hey….
Everyone always knew that slavery was wrong, basically. As soon as you accept that slaves are people even vaguely similar to yourself, it is obvious that robbing them of their freedom is indefensible. But it's hard to challenge something so embedded in the economy, especially if it involves you losing income, in a world where everyone's income was so precarious. So people just tolerated it.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
It does make him a steaming hypocrite given that he wrote most of the Declaration of Independence with all its wank about liberty and equality for all human beings. Just not the dusky ones, eh?
Hardly anyone of importance would have considered that liberty and equality applied to blacks, women, or the lower classes back then, although there certainly were people like John Adams who condemned chattel slavery.
“ Three Wuhan lab scientists who were genetically altering the Covid virus were the first to fall sick with it, a new investigation has claimed.
According to multiple US government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy inquiry by independent news outlet Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus are allegedly Ben Hu, Ping Yu, and Yan Zhu
They were all members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus and were partaking in gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) on SARS-like coronaviruses.
Gain-of-function research involves altering animal viruses in a lab to make them more infectious.“
I strongly suspect the US government knew from the start it almost certainly came from the lab, but they conspired to keep it quiet because
1. The US funded some of the GOF research
2. They didn’t want to help Trump who was loudly talking about “Wuhan flu”
3. They had a lot of terrified scientists saying “if we admit that we’ve killed millions of people we will get lynched and science will finish”
So they got lab leak literally banned as a subject matter, for a year, on Twitter and Facebook
Now that, if true, is evidence. Lab leak, smoking gun.
Has anyone other than the mail picked that up? Only I've been reading the mail last couple of days and it's full of crap, so if like to see a more reputable source.
The idea that these people were the first to fall sick has been around since early on. At the time, they were reported to have tested negative. I’ve not seen any actual evidence in recent reporting that demonstrates that they did have COVID-19. Some journalists interviewed some American officials. Well, some journalists have interviewed some American officials and decided there are UFOs. That’s not great evidence.
Meanwhile, the usual suspects are repeating the same far right conspiracy theories and talking about putting Fauci on trial.
They couldnt have tested positive in November 2019. The PCR test wasn't developed until January 2020.
bondegezou - Are you arguing that the availability in the US of trans fats and guns increased after 2014? Because, until then, US life expectancy was rising, almost every year.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Liz is doing well on GBNews in Leigh - to be fair, she's being bowled the softest of balls by a sympathetic host and a very sympathetic audience, but she does come over several times more genuine than Sunak on his best day.
I am glad that she's out there making Trussian arguments - arguments that are a little more piquant now Rishi has officially 'wrecked the economy' as much as she did.
Eurozone rates now at the highest for 20 years. Surely Sunak will have to resign as a result. Or is this nonsense about increasing interest rates in a time of inflation supposedly wreaking the economy just that?
Liz was defenestrated when bond yields rose to 4.76%. They have now risen to 4.9%.
When Liz got bond rates to 4.76% that was well out of line with gilt rates of other similar countries because she significantly increased the risk premium attached to UK gilts by having such a grossly irresponsible policy. Our gilt rates are now back in line with comparators and have risen as we, along with everybody else, attempt to normalise interest rates. I really can't believe that you genuinely cannot see the difference.
Laughable. Stabilising these rates was the one USP of this dismal administration. They show a lack of confidence in British debt now, just as they showed it then, with the notable difference that there is no fiscal event scaring the horses, just the grinding reality of how a Hunt/Rishi run economy actually performs.
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Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
That's not even touching on what that has to do with the Committee, acting on instruction of the House without a division, investigating whether the PM lied to the House.
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One of @BorisJohnson staunchest allies @Jacob_Rees_Mogg tells me on @Channel4News a Johnson comeback is now MORE likely not less following the #privilegesCommittee report.
The Wet market origin hypothesis is much more serious an indictment of China, for cruelty to animals and poor food hygiene. Ending these markets would be a positive step for reducing biohazard risk.
Johnson has been banged to rights, but the BBC keep giving Team Johnson the right to reply.
So I have to conclude it's just that reactive nonsense that politics is all about now. "I'm crap? No, you're crap". "He's done? No, he's stronger than ever". Just an instinctive rejoinder, which must go beyond rejecting anything weakening them, but in fact everything strengthening them.
https://www.gbnews.com/watch/live
I am glad that she's out there making Trussian arguments - arguments that are a little more piquant now Rishi has officially 'wrecked the economy' as much as she did.
It's pretty obvious that liberal views on the lab-leak theory in Western countries were set by who liberals here perceived to be on the other side of that argument, folk like Trump, and the rest followed and worked back from that.
We are remarkably introverted and self-obsessed.
Meanwhile his house is beautify and airy
But at every juncture I think, Yeah, ok Jeffers, but you were fucking your slave girls, weren’t you? And he was. By one of them - Sally Hemings - he had several children
Awks.
IMV it's better to concentrate our ire on the thing we can blame China for: the fact that when the outbreak started, they kept what was going on secret for so many weeks, allowing the virus to spread further and faster. Their actions were utterly negligent.
I am going to toot my own trumpet and say that my talk last week was described in the trade press as "engaging, entertaining and forthright". Even my youngest was impressed and he and his siblings generally behave as if I were a simpleton barely able to do up my shoelaces.
As a result I am now going to be writing regularly and doing a podcast, which will be fun! And be paid for it, which will be even more fun!! Alas no travel. Yet. Perhaps I could post pictures of coffees taken in various parts of the City of London with "guess which church is behind me?" or "which crook worked here? quizzes.
24m dead. We need answers
https://www.americanscientist.org/article/jeffersons-old-bones
Wonder if any are on show at Monticello?
600+ potentially dead from a ship capsizing, 100+ children potentially.
This is sick. There are too many tragedies too regularly, but this has to be by the worst I've ever seen reported.
We spoke to Lord Heseltine tonight at the Strand Group event organised by @carmichaelneil_ He wasn’t polite about Boris Johnson- saying he had nothing in common with his idol Churchill and would be remember for the worst political disaster in 50 years. Watch on ITV News at 10
Alpacastan!
Eurozone rates now at the highest for 20 years. Surely Sunak will have to resign as a result. Or is this nonsense about increasing interest rates in a time of inflation supposedly wreaking the economy just that?
I do hope there remain enough sane members in the local parties of the likes of Bassetlaw to deselect his useless apologists.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Actually, the first African slaves to arrive in Virginia were legally classed as indentured servants. Though of course that changed over time.
As did other things. (I believe there were at least a few integrated Baptist churches early on, with poor whites and blacks worshiping together.)
(Incidentally, most of the early immigrants to Virginia were indentured servants from England, who were sometimes exploited by their masters. As I recall from reading "Albion's Seed" years ago, a servant girl who got pregnant would owe more years to her master for having deprived him of her labor.)
In contrast, New England leaders tried to discourage both the poor and the wealthy from coming, trying to keep their society mostly "middle class", as we might say now.
my god I’m getting a little Woke. I need a beer
Ahhhh
To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, there are at least FOUR types of in/competence
> conscious incompetence = when one knows one, or someone else, is incompetent.
> unconscious incompetence = when one is oblivious to incompetence in oneself or others.
> conscious competence = when one is aware of competence of whomever.
> unconscious competence = when one is NOT aware of competence.
Some episodes appear to involve all four. For example, Pearl Harbor 1941.
Hemings's mother was Betty Hemings,[1] the daughter of an enslaved African woman and English Captain John Hemings. Sally's father, the owner of Betty, John Wayles, was also the father of Jefferson's wife, Martha. Sally was half-sister to Jefferson's wife and was of approximately three quarters English descent. Martha died during her marriage in 1782. In 1787, when she was 14, Sally Hemings accompanied Jefferson and his daughter by Martha to Paris. There Sally was a legally free and paid servant as slavery was not legal in France. At some time during her 26 months in Paris, the widower Jefferson began having intimate relations with her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Hemings
So she certainly slept here as a child (or in a cabin precisely like this and on this location)
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson, being a man dedicated to the liberty and equality of all humans, allowed his fuckbuddy of the slave community out of the cabin when he needed a bunk up, then sent her back? Dunno
The reality is we human beings civilise ourselves much less than we like to believe. We have not evolved as a species nor has human nature changed. Hence finding a solution in beer.
Many mocked Fawn Brodie when she wrote that Thomas Jefferson had children by Sally Hemings. Including the dean of Jeffersonian studies, Dumas Malone, whose multi-volume biography is nonetheless well worth reading, being based on extensive (if not exhaustive) archival research.
Then DNA provide Brodie was correct.
Something similar albeit less significant historically, happened when it was proven conclusively that Charles Lindbergh had a child by his (post WW2) German mistress. Which at first was challenged by Lindbergh's leading biographer.
Personally visited Monticello about thirty years ago. It is truly one of the great houses in America, and not just because - or mainly - because it housed a President.
T64, T72, Leopard 1 & 2, Challenger II and a couple of Merkeva versions seems coherent, really.
Hemings's mother was Betty Hemings,[1] the daughter of an enslaved African woman and English Captain John Hemings. Sally's father, the owner of Betty, John Wayles, was also the father of Jefferson's wife, Martha. Sally was half-sister to Jefferson's wife and was of approximately three quarters English descent. Martha died during her marriage in 1782. In 1787, when she was 14, Sally Hemings accompanied Jefferson and his daughter by Martha to Paris. There Sally was a legally free and paid servant as slavery was not legal in France. At some time during her 26 months in Paris, the widower Jefferson began having intimate relations with her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Hemings
I'm thinking they're either telling you a lot of nonsense, or you've misunderstood.
Her family were slaves. They lived in the slave cabins AKA the negro quarter
https://www.monticello.org/slavery/hemmings-cabin/
Once uncle tom started tupping her it seems like she moved into the big house and out of the cabins
I’m here, you’re not, get a grip
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But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
I forgot trafficking earlier.
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Her mother, before 'uncle tom started tupping her' quite possibly, but on your own admission she would at that time have 'moved into the big house and out of the cabins.' That's the likeliest place for Hemings to have been brought up.
I think most likely you've garbled it. However, Yanks always did suck at history especially in heritage sites, so it's possible you've just been fed a load of garbage.
Which makes the attempts to defend slavery based on racial profiling even more bizarre.
According to her all the “young people” at the top of Confederate society (think Gone With The Wind) were actually anti-slavery. Not anti-slavery enough to actually free their slaves, but hey….
Meanwhile, the usual suspects are repeating the same far right conspiracy theories and talking about putting Fauci on trial.
So what’s this?
But no, they’re all wrong, “@ydeothur” a Welsh primary school janitor off of PB, who has never been here, knows Monticello better than the professional archaeologists who work here. Riiiiiight
I could never really vibe with the founding fathers because of this kind of shenanigans. Lincoln is my guy. The greatest political leader in the history of the English-speaking world, IMHO, bar none.
For example:
"Sally Hemings remained in France for 26 months. Slavery had been abolished in that country after the Revolution in 1789; Jefferson paid wages to her and James while they were in Paris. He paid Sally Hemings the equivalent of $2 a month. In comparison, he paid James Hemings $4 a month as chef-in-training, and his Parisian scullion $2.50 a month; the other French servants earned from $8 to $12 a month.[5] Toward the end of their stay, James used his money to pay for a French tutor and to learn the language, and Sally was also learning French.[10] There is no record of where she lived: it may have been with Jefferson and her brother in the Hôtel de Langeac on the Champs-Elysées, or at the convent Abbaye de Penthemont where the girls Maria and Martha were schooled. Whatever the weekday arrangements, Jefferson and his retinue spent weekends together at his villa.[30] Jefferson purchased some fine clothing for Hemings, which suggests that she accompanied Martha as a lady's maid to formal events.[31][32]
According to her son Madison's memoir, Hemings became pregnant by Jefferson in Paris. She was about 16 at the time. Under French law, Sally and James could have petitioned for their freedom,[33] but if she returned to Virginia with Jefferson, it would be as an enslaved person. She agreed to return with him to the United States, based on his promise to free her children when they came of age (at 21).[10][34] Hemings' strong ties to her mother, siblings, and extended family likely drew her back to Monticello."
So, Hemings stopped being Jefferson's slave, and then, apparently for the sake of her children, became one again, voluntarily. (She may have been freed after Jefferson's death by his heirs.)
I say again, it is not possible that her father would have lived in that cabin. Planters did not live in cabins with enslaved families.
It's even less plausible than SeanT spending an evening sober. Or saying something vaguely sane about UFOs. Or without LadyG, Byronic, Eadric and the others...
And trans fats may contribute to liver problems.
Besides, it was polls being in a nosedive which did for her, not the yields in themselves. Sunak's not really recovered much, but the party probably doesn't fear dropping any lower at least.
Or not caring either way. The view of the average slave dealer.
Or persuading yourself that bad is good. The view of the Confederates.
She from socially prominent family and married to South Carolina US senator. Privy to lots of high-place scuttlebutt, etc. and above-average analyst of same.
Perhaps most illuminating passages - certainly in tune with PB right now - deal with her knowledge of, and reaction to, fact that her husband, other male relatives and just about every guy who owned a few slaves, was in habit of frequent "relations" with their slave women, for fun AND profit.
I say again, it is not possible that her father would have lived in that cabin. Planters did not live in cabins with enslaved families.
It's even less plausible than SeanT spending an evening sober. Or saying something vaguely sane about UFOs. Or without LadyG, Byronic, Eadric and the others...
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You’re embarrassing yourself. Monticello is one of the most scrutinised historical sites in the USA. The archaeologists saying Sally lived in the cabins are professionals
She was a slave. She would have lived in the slave quarters, certainly as a child. Looks like she went back to the cabins even after Paris. It wouldn’t have mattered that she could “pass for white” - the law was the law. A slave was a slave. One drop of blood and all that
However, once she started having lots of kids by Jefferson there is evidence she moved to the big house
Ergo, Martha and Sally were half-sisters.
Adams who condemned chattel slavery.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)