Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Sarah "Sally" Hemings (c. 1773 – 1835) was an enslaved woman with one-quarter African ancestry owned by president of the United States Thomas Jefferson, one of many he inherited from his father-in-law, John Wayles.
Hemings's mother was Betty Hemings,[1] the daughter of an enslaved African woman and English Captain John Hemings. Sally's father, the owner of Betty, John Wayles, was also the father of Jefferson's wife, Martha. Sally was half-sister to Jefferson's wife and was of approximately three quarters English descent. Martha died during her marriage in 1782. In 1787, when she was 14, Sally Hemings accompanied Jefferson and his daughter by Martha to Paris. There Sally was a legally free and paid servant as slavery was not legal in France. At some time during her 26 months in Paris, the widower Jefferson began having intimate relations with her.
Slavery was so fucked up. I mean, the whole thing is awful, but when people "own" their own children or people that they sleep with... It just captures how fucked up the whole thing is. I could never really vibe with the founding fathers because of this kind of shenanigans. Lincoln is my guy. The greatest political leader in the history of the English-speaking world, IMHO, bar none.
You aren’t even scratching the surface. Rape made sound business sense, as well as being pleasurable for the master. It meant more slaves.
Once the daughters of slaves reached child-bearing age, the master and his sons would rape them in turn, producing lighter-skinned (and so, more valuable) slaves in turn.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
That would slightly surprise me if true, given she was not only Jefferson's mistress but could pass for white.
The cabin claims to be an exact reproduction of the cabin where Sally Heming’s mum and dad lived, with their kids. Five of them in this room
So she certainly slept here as a child (or in a cabin precisely like this and on this location)
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson, being a man dedicated to the liberty and equality of all humans, allowed his fuckbuddy of the slave community out of the cabin when he needed a bunk up, then sent her back? Dunno
Her father would not have lived in the 'Negro Quarter,' because he was white. Just as Hemings was exploited by Jefferson, so her mixed race mother was exploited by, in this case, Jefferson's father in law.
I'm thinking they're either telling you a lot of nonsense, or you've misunderstood.
Mate, it’s called “Sally Heming’s cabin” on the map. And they’re saying it’s where her family lived
Her family were slaves. They lived in the slave cabins AKA the negro quarter
bondegezou - Are you arguing that the availability in the US of trans fats and guns increased after 2014? Because, until then, US life expectancy was rising, almost every year.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)
Obesity absolutely has been increasing year-on-year for many years now in America.
IMO lard isn't the worst ingredient at all, sugars and ultraprocessed foods stuffed with sugars are a much bigger problem than fats. American breakfast cereals aimed at children are like eating a bowlful of sugar compared to British ones.
Liz Truss wades in tonight saying: "What I think was wrong was Conservative MPs removing an elected prime minister that so many people voted for."
She adds: "I don't support going after MPs who make comments in public."
"It does seem to me a very harsh decision. "
Liz is doing well on GBNews in Leigh - to be fair, she's being bowled the softest of balls by a sympathetic host and a very sympathetic audience, but she does come over several times more genuine than Sunak on his best day.
I am glad that she's out there making Trussian arguments - arguments that are a little more piquant now Rishi has officially 'wrecked the economy' as much as she did.
Eurozone rates now at the highest for 20 years. Surely Sunak will have to resign as a result. Or is this nonsense about increasing interest rates in a time of inflation supposedly wreaking the economy just that?
Liz was defenestrated when bond yields rose to 4.76%. They have now risen to 4.9%.
Shows the value of taking one's time, not announcing a major policy half cocked, totally unprepared to answer questions about it, as you'll be hard to shift if you've bedded in - if she'd made it to Christmas she'd still be here now. I thought ditching Kwarteng in ruthless fashion may have bought her that time, but she just imploded too damn dast.
Besides, it was polls being in a nosedive which did for her, not the yields in themselves. Sunak's not really recovered much, but the party probably doesn't fear dropping any lower at least.
Yes, she didn't have bad ideas, but her presentation and mismanagement of that was utterly shocking.
Seriously unprofessional, its like she just didn't see it coming at all.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
It does make him a steaming hypocrite given that he wrote most of the Declaration of Independence with all its wank about liberty and equality for all human beings. Just not the dusky ones, eh?
Hardly anyone of importance would have considered that liberty and equality applied to blacks, women, or the lower classes back then, although there certainly were people like John Adams who condemned chattel slavery.
What then did these people 'of importance' think was meant by 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,...'?
I can see that they have a get out for gender inequality, since they only mentioned men, but are we to assume they considered 'men' to refer only to white humans of european descent?
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
It does make him a steaming hypocrite given that he wrote most of the Declaration of Independence with all its wank about liberty and equality for all human beings. Just not the dusky ones, eh?
Hardly anyone of importance would have considered that liberty and equality applied to blacks, women, or the lower classes back then, although there certainly were people like John Adams who condemned chattel slavery.
What then did these people 'of importance' think was meant by 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,...'?
I can see that they have a get out for gender inequality, since they only mentioned men, but are we to assume they considered 'men' to refer only to white humans of human descent?
"all men" = men like me.
White, middle class, educated males.
Not just non-whites didn't count, but nor did the poor or uneducated either.
Meanwhile his “squeeze of enslavement” AKA “member of the raped community, Sally Hemings” - slept here
Ah, but he was the most honourable of men, a founding father no less.
Unlike the Confederates, Jefferson never claimed that slavery was a good thing. He knew that it was a bad thing (his writings show that).
But, his standard of living depended upon slavery. Had the government offered to buy out the slavers, he’d have agreed.
Oh, well that's alright then.
I forgot trafficking earlier.
There was a lady, high in Confederate society, who wrote a diary. Forget the name - major historical document, though.
According to her all the “young people” at the top of Confederate society (think Gone With The Wind) were actually anti-slavery. Not anti-slavery enough to actually free their slaves, but hey….
Everyone always knew that slavery was wrong, basically. As soon as you accept that slaves are people even vaguely similar to yourself, it is obvious that robbing them of their freedom is indefensible. But it's hard to challenge something so embedded in the economy, especially if it involves you losing income, in a world where everyone's income was so precarious. So people just tolerated it.
People didn't just tolerate it. They hated it, resented it, and sometimes resisted it with violence. And they were met with repressive violence.
Unless the "everyone" in your post actually means "everyone who wasn't a slave". Most slaves didn't have an income. Ending slavery would lose them no income at all. They would gain massively from emancipation. We mustn't forget the views of the slaves when we talk about attitudes towards slavery.
Yes absolutely. One of the main forces that led to the abolition of slavery was the resistance of enslaved people, that made it less economically viable and made slave owners rightly fear for their own safety. You are right that when I said "everyone" I meant everyone in white society, which I was wrong to do.
In early American democracy the voting rights were restricted to property-owning males.
So the "all men" who had self-evidently had liberty was about 6% of the population. Not just women and non-whites, but the bulk of the white population who were poor and didn't own property weren't within the "all men" either.
The founding fathers were not remotely as egalitarian as people suggest, especially by modern standards, and not just due to slavery.
BartholomewRoberts - So what do you think changed in the US, in 2014? Why has US life expectancy declined since then, after increasing in almost every year since the end of WW II?
By the way, the gap in life expectancy between blacks and whites declined during the same time period. By the early 1980s, black women were living longer than white men.
In early American democracy the voting rights were restricted to property-owning males.
So the "all men" who had self-evidently had liberty was about 6% of the population. Not just women and non-whites, but the bulk of the white population who were poor and didn't own property weren't within the "all men" either.
The founding fathers were not remotely as egalitarian as people suggest, especially by modern standards, and not just due to slavery.
BartholomewRoberts - So what do you think changed in the US, in 2014? Why has US life expectancy declined since then, after increasing in almost every year since the end of WW II?
By the way, the gap in life expectancy between blacks and whites declined during the same time period. By the early 1980s, black women were living longer than white men.
I don't think it changed just in 2014, its like a curve, the growth in life expectancy was falling continuously until 2014 and then after that it went into reverse.
The factors that led to that reverse existed long, long before 2014, which is why the growth was slowing down. Life expectancy doesn't change overnight.
As to why? The reasons are well rehearsed. Drugs are a major problem, as are suicides, obesity and guns.
The number one cause of death for American children today is firearms.
In early American democracy the voting rights were restricted to property-owning males.
So the "all men" who had self-evidently had liberty was about 6% of the population. Not just women and non-whites, but the bulk of the white population who were poor and didn't own property weren't within the "all men" either.
The founding fathers were not remotely as egalitarian as people suggest, especially by modern standards, and not just due to slavery.
Democracy has to start somewhere.
Indeed - and we had democracy in this country for property owning males before the American revolution.
American democracy was more evolution than revolution from English democracy.
bondegezou - Are you arguing that the availability in the US of trans fats and guns increased after 2014? Because, until then, US life expectancy was rising, almost every year.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)
Obesity absolutely has been increasing year-on-year for many years now in America.
IMO lard isn't the worst ingredient at all, sugars and ultraprocessed foods stuffed with sugars are a much bigger problem than fats. American breakfast cereals aimed at children are like eating a bowlful of sugar compared to British ones.
bondegezou - Are you arguing that the availability in the US of trans fats and guns increased after 2014? Because, until then, US life expectancy was rising, almost every year.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)
Obesity absolutely has been increasing year-on-year for many years now in America.
IMO lard isn't the worst ingredient at all, sugars and ultraprocessed foods stuffed with sugars are a much bigger problem than fats. American breakfast cereals aimed at children are like eating a bowlful of sugar compared to British ones.
British ones are nothing like American ones though.
Eating American cereals, especially anything that indicates berries or fruit in the title like Fruit Loops or Cap'n Crunch Berries has about as much nutritional information as having a bowl of M&M's for breakfast..
In early American democracy the voting rights were restricted to property-owning males.
So the "all men" who had self-evidently had liberty was about 6% of the population. Not just women and non-whites, but the bulk of the white population who were poor and didn't own property weren't within the "all men" either.
The founding fathers were not remotely as egalitarian as people suggest, especially by modern standards, and not just due to slavery.
In some ways it seems we're pretty fortunate they did set up some things in sufficiently general terms that it had greater adaptability and applicability than many of them will have intended.
bondegezou - Are you arguing that the availability in the US of trans fats and guns increased after 2014? Because, until then, US life expectancy was rising, almost every year.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)
American breakfast cereals aimed at children are like eating a bowlful of sugar compared to British ones.
BartholomewRoberts - So what do you think changed in the US, in 2014? Why has US life expectancy declined since then, after increasing in almost every year since the end of WW II?
By the way, the gap in life expectancy between blacks and whites declined during the same time period. By the early 1980s, black women were living longer than white men.
It takes time for bad health behaviours to feed through into lower life expectancy. People started getting seriously overweight and obese in the mid-80s in both the UK and USA but there wasn't a significant diabetes problem for about 15 to 20 years after that. Also the opioid epidemic didn't become a big thing until about 2010. I don't think guns are a significant cause of lower life expectancy in the United States, because ultimately only a tiny percentage of people are involved. It's mainly obesity and opioids.
bondegezou - Are you arguing that the availability in the US of trans fats and guns increased after 2014? Because, until then, US life expectancy was rising, almost every year.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)
American breakfast cereals aimed at children are like eating a bowlful of sugar compared to British ones.
That's a bloody terrifying statement.
There are multiple American cereals on the market that quite literally have sugar listed as the primary ingredient. Ie there is more pure sugar as content than any other ingredient.
But what's worse is they then top that off by using a lot of corn syrup too - on top of the sugar.
Coco Pops in the UK has 17g of sugar per 100g. Chocolate Marshmallow Mateys in America has 55.45g of sugar per 100g.
bondegezou - Are you arguing that the availability in the US of trans fats and guns increased after 2014? Because, until then, US life expectancy was rising, almost every year.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)
American breakfast cereals aimed at children are like eating a bowlful of sugar compared to British ones.
That's a bloody terrifying statement.
There are multiple American cereals on the market that quite literally have sugar listed as the primary ingredient. Ie there is more pure sugar as content than any other ingredient.
But what's worse is they then top that off by using a lot of corn syrup too - on top of the sugar.
Coco Pops in the UK has 17g of sugar per 100g. Chocolate Marshmallow Mateys in America has 55.45g of sugar per 100g.
Gods, just eat a bowl of warmed up golden syrup and have done with it.
At least no one would give me shit for putting sugar on my shredded wheat.
BartholomewRoberts said: "I don't think it changed just in 2014, its like a curve, the growth in life expectancy was falling continuously until 2014 and then after that it went into reverse."
BartholomewRoberts said: "I don't think it changed just in 2014, its like a curve, the growth in life expectancy was falling continuously until 2014 and then after that it went into reverse."
BartholomewRoberts said: "I don't think it changed just in 2014, its like a curve, the growth in life expectancy was falling continuously until 2014 and then after that it went into reverse."
BartholomewRoberts - So what do you think changed in the US, in 2014? Why has US life expectancy declined since then, after increasing in almost every year since the end of WW II?
By the way, the gap in life expectancy between blacks and whites declined during the same time period. By the early 1980s, black women were living longer than white men.
It takes time for bad health behaviours to feed through into lower life expectancy. People started getting seriously overweight and obese in the mid-80s in both the UK and USA but there wasn't a significant diabetes problem for about 15 to 20 years after that. Also the opioid epidemic didn't become a big thing until about 2010. I don't think guns are a significant cause of lower life expectancy in the United States, because ultimately only a tiny percentage of people are involved. It's mainly obesity and opioids.
Guns should be a tiny percentage of people involved, but guns are the single largest killer of American children.
Not cancer, or road traffic accidents, or accidents in general. Firearms. American children are more likely to die from a firearm than any other cause.
Now of course children's deaths are not significant numbers compared to adult deaths, but children's deaths especially unnecessary ones can adjust averages more because that is many decades of lives lost per excess death.
Someone goes into a school and murders 20 children, that's ~1400 years of life expectancy lost right there.
It is certainly possible to get low-sugar cereals in the US. For example, one of the local Kroger stores sells boxes of oatmeal packets, which have -- reading from the label -- these ingredients:
whole grain oats, soluble corn fiber, raisins with sunflower oil, dehydrated apples, walnuts (treated with NHT preservative), soybean oil
Contains less than 2 percent of natural flavor, salt, sucralose, spices.
bondegezou - Are you arguing that the availability in the US of trans fats and guns increased after 2014? Because, until then, US life expectancy was rising, almost every year.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)
American breakfast cereals aimed at children are like eating a bowlful of sugar compared to British ones.
That's a bloody terrifying statement.
There are multiple American cereals on the market that quite literally have sugar listed as the primary ingredient. Ie there is more pure sugar as content than any other ingredient.
But what's worse is they then top that off by using a lot of corn syrup too - on top of the sugar.
Coco Pops in the UK has 17g of sugar per 100g. Chocolate Marshmallow Mateys in America has 55.45g of sugar per 100g.
It’s truly horrifying. It’s actually everywhere, not just the cereal. If every second shop in England appears to be a phone shop (or a real estate agent), then in the US every second shop is some kind of cupcake emporium.
The only wonder is that people aren’t even more obese. Seriously.
BartholomewRoberts said: "I don't think it changed just in 2014, its like a curve, the growth in life expectancy was falling continuously until 2014 and then after that it went into reverse."
BartholomewRoberts - So what do you think changed in the US, in 2014? Why has US life expectancy declined since then, after increasing in almost every year since the end of WW II?
By the way, the gap in life expectancy between blacks and whites declined during the same time period. By the early 1980s, black women were living longer than white men.
It takes time for bad health behaviours to feed through into lower life expectancy. People started getting seriously overweight and obese in the mid-80s in both the UK and USA but there wasn't a significant diabetes problem for about 15 to 20 years after that. Also the opioid epidemic didn't become a big thing until about 2010. I don't think guns are a significant cause of lower life expectancy in the United States, because ultimately only a tiny percentage of people are involved. It's mainly obesity and opioids.
Guns should be a tiny percentage of people involved, but guns are the single largest killer of American children.
Not cancer, or road traffic accidents, or accidents in general. Firearms. American children are more likely to die from a firearm than any other cause.
Now of course children's deaths are not significant numbers compared to adult deaths, but children's deaths especially unnecessary ones can adjust averages more because that is many decades of lives lost per excess death. Someone goes into a school and murders 20 children, that's ~1400 years of life expectancy lost right there.
Yes but most Americans still back the right to keep and bear arms.
bondegezou - Are you arguing that the availability in the US of trans fats and guns increased after 2014? Because, until then, US life expectancy was rising, almost every year.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)
American breakfast cereals aimed at children are like eating a bowlful of sugar compared to British ones.
That's a bloody terrifying statement.
There are multiple American cereals on the market that quite literally have sugar listed as the primary ingredient. Ie there is more pure sugar as content than any other ingredient.
But what's worse is they then top that off by using a lot of corn syrup too - on top of the sugar.
Coco Pops in the UK has 17g of sugar per 100g. Chocolate Marshmallow Mateys in America has 55.45g of sugar per 100g.
It’s truly horrifying. It’s actually everywhere, not just the cereal. If every second shop in England appears to be a phone shop (or a real estate agent), then in the US every second shop is some kind of cupcake emporium.
The only wonder is that people aren’t even more obese. Seriously.
I’ve been in midwestern bars and shops and the like on this trip where literally everyone inside is obese. Not just overweight - obese
It’s quite something. And of course as everyone is obese it’s more acceptable I guess
Much skinnier on the coast
Hopefully these new drugs will sort it out. As obesity is horribly unhealthy or course and it is a growing problem everywhere
Reading it, we see, for example, that the gain in life expectancy in 2008 (0.260%) was larger than the gains in about half of the preceding years, starting in 1950.
BartholomewRoberts - So what do you think changed in the US, in 2014? Why has US life expectancy declined since then, after increasing in almost every year since the end of WW II?
By the way, the gap in life expectancy between blacks and whites declined during the same time period. By the early 1980s, black women were living longer than white men.
It takes time for bad health behaviours to feed through into lower life expectancy. People started getting seriously overweight and obese in the mid-80s in both the UK and USA but there wasn't a significant diabetes problem for about 15 to 20 years after that. Also the opioid epidemic didn't become a big thing until about 2010. I don't think guns are a significant cause of lower life expectancy in the United States, because ultimately only a tiny percentage of people are involved. It's mainly obesity and opioids.
Guns should be a tiny percentage of people involved, but guns are the single largest killer of American children.
Not cancer, or road traffic accidents, or accidents in general. Firearms. American children are more likely to die from a firearm than any other cause.
Now of course children's deaths are not significant numbers compared to adult deaths, but children's deaths especially unnecessary ones can adjust averages more because that is many decades of lives lost per excess death. Someone goes into a school and murders 20 children, that's ~1400 years of life expectancy lost right there.
Yes but most Americans still back the right to keep and bear arms.
But this isn't a discussion on gun control or opinion polls, its a discussion on life expectancy, and the remarkable fact is that guns do play a significant enough role to show up in death statistics and affect life expectancy. Opinion polls don't change that.
Its not just school shootings, as common as they may be. A gun in a family home 'for self-defence' is much, much more likely to kill that families child, than it is to kill an intruder.
BartholomewRoberts - So what do you think changed in the US, in 2014? Why has US life expectancy declined since then, after increasing in almost every year since the end of WW II?
By the way, the gap in life expectancy between blacks and whites declined during the same time period. By the early 1980s, black women were living longer than white men.
It takes time for bad health behaviours to feed through into lower life expectancy. People started getting seriously overweight and obese in the mid-80s in both the UK and USA but there wasn't a significant diabetes problem for about 15 to 20 years after that. Also the opioid epidemic didn't become a big thing until about 2010. I don't think guns are a significant cause of lower life expectancy in the United States, because ultimately only a tiny percentage of people are involved. It's mainly obesity and opioids.
Guns should be a tiny percentage of people involved, but guns are the single largest killer of American children.
Not cancer, or road traffic accidents, or accidents in general. Firearms. American children are more likely to die from a firearm than any other cause.
Now of course children's deaths are not significant numbers compared to adult deaths, but children's deaths especially unnecessary ones can adjust averages more because that is many decades of lives lost per excess death. Someone goes into a school and murders 20 children, that's ~1400 years of life expectancy lost right there.
Yes but most Americans still back the right to keep and bear arms.
But this isn't a discussion on gun control or opinion polls, its a discussion on life expectancy, and the remarkable fact is that guns do play a significant enough role to show up in death statistics and affect life expectancy. Opinion polls don't change that.
Its not just school shootings, as common as they may be. A gun in a family home 'for self-defence' is much, much more likely to kill that families child, than it is to kill an intruder.
Well that is Americans choice, it is not our business to lecture them on their Constitution if they don't want to change it
bondegezou - Are you arguing that the availability in the US of trans fats and guns increased after 2014? Because, until then, US life expectancy was rising, almost every year.
Take a look at the chart, if you don't believe me.
(When I was a kid, back in the 1950s, my family had a shotgun (for chasing birds away from our cherries), and, as a teenager, I bought a .22 rifle, with no need for a permit of any kind. Lard was an almost universal ingredient in American kitchens.
The worry then was about juvenile deliquents making "zip guns", cap guns converted into actual guns. They were cheap and inaccurate but did, sometimes, kill people.)
American breakfast cereals aimed at children are like eating a bowlful of sugar compared to British ones.
That's a bloody terrifying statement.
There are multiple American cereals on the market that quite literally have sugar listed as the primary ingredient. Ie there is more pure sugar as content than any other ingredient.
But what's worse is they then top that off by using a lot of corn syrup too - on top of the sugar.
Coco Pops in the UK has 17g of sugar per 100g. Chocolate Marshmallow Mateys in America has 55.45g of sugar per 100g.
Ffs. I thought SUVs and pick ups were bad as American imports.
Is this already regulated away in the UK? I'm getting more and more convinced that we need draconian action on food like this.
Calories/kg limits? Put stuff like that behind a counter like cigarettes?
Reading it, we see, for example, that the gain in life expectancy in 2008 (0.260%) was larger than the gains in about half of the preceding years, starting in 1950.
The other thing you can see is as I said that the rate of growth peaked in the 70s and has fallen since, though there's been some variation as you'd expect over the years.
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Once the daughters of slaves reached child-bearing age, the master and his sons would rape them in turn, producing lighter-skinned (and so, more valuable) slaves in turn.
IMO lard isn't the worst ingredient at all, sugars and ultraprocessed foods stuffed with sugars are a much bigger problem than fats. American breakfast cereals aimed at children are like eating a bowlful of sugar compared to British ones.
Just booked a £25 ticket for the final day's play at the first Ashes test match. The price of a cup of coffee in London I believe.
Still a few tickets left if anyone's interested. Weather forecast isn't great though.
https://www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk/
The Mail, Telegraph and Express are still carrying a torch for Boris. It won't bring him back, but there's trouble ahead.
Seriously unprofessional, its like she just didn't see it coming at all.
I can see that they have a get out for gender inequality, since they only mentioned men, but are we to assume they considered 'men' to refer only to white humans of european descent?
White, middle class, educated males.
Not just non-whites didn't count, but nor did the poor or uneducated either.
So the "all men" who had self-evidently had liberty was about 6% of the population. Not just women and non-whites, but the bulk of the white population who were poor and didn't own property weren't within the "all men" either.
The founding fathers were not remotely as egalitarian as people suggest, especially by modern standards, and not just due to slavery.
By the way, the gap in life expectancy between blacks and whites declined during the same time period. By the early 1980s, black women were living longer than white men.
(Those who want to understand the trends in the US life expectancy should study this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_paradox .)
The factors that led to that reverse existed long, long before 2014, which is why the growth was slowing down. Life expectancy doesn't change overnight.
As to why? The reasons are well rehearsed. Drugs are a major problem, as are suicides, obesity and guns.
The number one cause of death for American children today is firearms.
American democracy was more evolution than revolution from English democracy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-40301978
Eating American cereals, especially anything that indicates berries or fruit in the title like Fruit Loops or Cap'n Crunch Berries has about as much nutritional information as having a bowl of M&M's for breakfast..
But what's worse is they then top that off by using a lot of corn syrup too - on top of the sugar.
Coco Pops in the UK has 17g of sugar per 100g.
Chocolate Marshmallow Mateys in America has 55.45g of sugar per 100g.
At least no one would give me shit for putting sugar on my shredded wheat.
Please take a close look at this graph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_expectancy_in_the_United_States.svg
Had the rate of growth until about 1975 continued then it'd be up to nearly a century by now.
(For those who are unfailiar with the uS, I'll add that Hispanics are not known for being skinny.)
Not cancer, or road traffic accidents, or accidents in general. Firearms. American children are more likely to die from a firearm than any other cause.
Now of course children's deaths are not significant numbers compared to adult deaths, but children's deaths especially unnecessary ones can adjust averages more because that is many decades of lives lost per excess death.
Someone goes into a school and murders 20 children, that's ~1400 years of life expectancy lost right there.
whole grain oats, soluble corn fiber, raisins with sunflower oil, dehydrated apples, walnuts (treated with NHT preservative), soybean oil
Contains less than 2 percent of natural flavor, salt, sucralose, spices.
It’s actually everywhere, not just the cereal.
If every second shop in England appears to be a phone shop (or a real estate agent), then in the US every second shop is some kind of cupcake emporium.
The only wonder is that people aren’t even more obese.
Seriously.
68% of American voters want to retain the 2nd amendment, 46% of Americans even believe that includes the right to personally own and keep a semi automatic rifle
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/magnified-email/issue-62/
It’s quite something. And of course as everyone is obese it’s more acceptable I guess
Much skinnier on the coast
Hopefully these new drugs will sort it out. As obesity is horribly unhealthy or course and it is a growing problem everywhere
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/life-expectancy
Reading it, we see, for example, that the gain in life expectancy in 2008 (0.260%) was larger than the gains in about half of the preceding years, starting in 1950.
But this isn't a discussion on gun control or opinion polls, its a discussion on life expectancy, and the remarkable fact is that guns do play a significant enough role to show up in death statistics and affect life expectancy. Opinion polls don't change that.
Its not just school shootings, as common as they may be. A gun in a family home 'for self-defence' is much, much more likely to kill that families child, than it is to kill an intruder.
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Is this already regulated away in the UK? I'm getting more and more convinced that we need draconian action on food like this.
Calories/kg limits? Put stuff like that behind a counter like cigarettes?