I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
Perhaps a reasonable compromise between the interests of businesses and 'left behind' consumers would be to mandate businesses over a certain size to accept cash payments. Before the trend spreads too far.
I don't carry cash so it doesn't effect me, but the potential for locking people out of the economy is real.
But I suspect the government would secretly like a society where all transactions are more easily monitored.
The more people don't take cash the more I want to bloody well use it.
Coins and notes are legal tender. You trade, you take it.
No ifs, no buts.
You can't always have what you want. Market forces and all that.
What's needed is an electronic version of cash which makes the transfer anonymously
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
And rightly so. Cash is pointless, wasteful, risky and completely outdated. The idea many of us will still be carting around slips of paper that, if taken from our person, make us poorer in any volume for much longer is for the birds. I never use cash for anything, home or abroad. Why does anyone?
Anyone under the age of about 65 isn’t going to care about cash in times to come. It is time to transition away, this society has spent far too long at the whims of people who will be dead soon.
You have to be not only over 65 but also very poor, to depend on cash like that. Your f the old position is seriously edgy, but are you happy that it is also f the poor? Really?
May have been nothing, but I can see why it would be suspicious.
An employee at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence drained the resort’s swimming pool last October and ended up flooding a room where computer servers containing surveillance video logs were kept, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.
While it’s unclear if the room was intentionally flooded or if it happened by mistake, the incident occurred amid a series of events that federal prosecutors found suspicious.
At least one witness has been asked by prosecutors about the flooded server room as part of the federal investigation into Trump’s handling of classified documents, according to one of the sources...
Prosecutors have heard testimony that the IT equipment in the room was not damaged in the flood, according to one source.
Corcoran told the DOJ at the time that he was led to believe by many people that there were no additional classified or White House documents at the resort and that all White House documents would be in the storage room when he searched it.
But surveillance footage that was subsequently turned over to the Justice Department showed Nauta and the maintenance worker moving document boxes around the resort, including into that storage room just before Corcoran searched it for classified documents. Corcoran handed over 38 records he found to the FBI the next day, yet the FBI found more than a hundred more documents with classified markings in August, both in Trump’s office and in the storage room
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
Sadly this is spot on.
It seems one of the biggest issues for the elderly is parking apps
Also most toilets require coinage and of course local charity collections
The idea it should be abolished altogether is unwise and while cash will be less important I see it here for the long term
Mind you I do not use cash myself but I respect those who need to
Who does 'need' to use cash?
Are you @Anabobazina in disguise?? Must I really post this again??
Cash is still the primary means of payment (and store of value) for unbanked people with a low income and helps avoiding debt traps due to uncontrolled spending of money. It supports anonymity and avoids tracking for economic or political reasons.[29] In addition, cash is the only means for contingency planning in order to mitigate risks in case of natural disasters or failures of the technical infrastructure like a large-scale power blackout or shutdown of the communication network.[30] Therefore, central banks and governments are increasingly driving the sufficient availability of cash. The US Federal Reserve has provided guidelines for the continuity of cash services,[31] and the Swedish government is concerned about the consequences in abandoning cash and is considering to pass a law requiring all banks to handle cash.[32]
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
And rightly so. Cash is pointless, wasteful, risky and completely outdated. The idea many of us will still be carting around slips of paper that, if taken from our person, make us poorer in any volume for much longer is for the birds. I never use cash for anything, home or abroad. Why does anyone?
Just because you don't use cash doesn't mean others including the elderly and poor need to be disadvantaged
The time may well come when it's use is minimal but I doubt it will be soon
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
And rightly so. Cash is pointless, wasteful, risky and completely outdated. The idea many of us will still be carting around slips of paper that, if taken from our person, make us poorer in any volume for much longer is for the birds. I never use cash for anything, home or abroad. Why does anyone?
Must I really post this again??
Cash is still the primary means of payment (and store of value) for unbanked people with a low income and helps avoiding debt traps due to uncontrolled spending of money. It supports anonymity and avoids tracking for economic or political reasons.[29] In addition, cash is the only means for contingency planning in order to mitigate risks in case of natural disasters or failures of the technical infrastructure like a large-scale power blackout or shutdown of the communication network.[30] Therefore, central banks and governments are increasingly driving the sufficient availability of cash. The US Federal Reserve has provided guidelines for the continuity of cash services,[31] and the Swedish government is concerned about the consequences in abandoning cash and is considering to pass a law requiring all banks to handle cash.[32]
Not for small businesses in normal places i.e. not London it isn't.
It’s pointless everywhere. There is nothing particularly Londonish about cashlessness. When I tried to pay cash on a rural bus in the Majorcan interior a couple of years ago (I took out €10 assuming the buses would be old fashioned) the driver looked at me as if I was mad, pointing to a sign that showed ir was cheaper to pay by card and that they were phasing out cash.
Anyone under the age of about 65 isn’t going to care about cash in times to come. It is time to transition away, this society has spent far too long at the whims of people who will be dead soon.
You will be elderly someday and I hope nobody would want you dead
I don’t want anyone dead. Just stating facts.
I’m not going to suddenly want to use cash when I’m older. That’s exactly the point, we’re keeping it around when it isn’t going be relevant in a few years.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
And rightly so. Cash is pointless, wasteful, risky and completely outdated. The idea many of us will still be carting around slips of paper that, if taken from our person, make us poorer in any volume for much longer is for the birds. I never use cash for anything, home or abroad. Why does anyone?
It is still cheaper for small-value stuff where you don't have to insure thousands of pounds of floating cash at a time. Other countries have "solved" this, though, with cheap small-value bank payments by phone.
Try teaching kids about the value of money, counting and savings without cash and places to spend it in.
CASH.
Nah, my eldest turned into Gordon Gekko when he turned 11 and I opened his first bank account and he can see his money on his phone app.
That's summarises why the future is shit.
I don't want my kids glued to their phone. And I also want them to develop good mental arithmetic and a feel for the real tangibility of money.
You're turning into an old fogey pal - give it up, this is a battle you're never winning.
I am not sure that's entirely true. A cashless society (with these Central Bank digital currencies that are cropping up everywhere) is a Davos-driven policy. It's not one of the more unpleasant ones on the face of it (it beats 15 minute cities and mass starvation), though its purpose is clearly an intrusive one - the power to monitor all spending. However, the Davos agenda has become very very exposed. It is entirely possible that in the next few years, public revulsion overturns the entire thing - retreat from cash included.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
It would be a strong signal that they are completely out of touch with young people and desperate for the reactionary pensioner vote.
Could very well work.
But it's deeply weird how "the vibe" of this seems to trigger another front in the culture wars, with people lining up on either side of it and then plucking out any argument that suits to fight it, with particular zealotry if it trolls the other.
We all used cash until literally about 5 minutes ago. It's absurd to say it's reactionary or out of touch to advocate for its continued relevance.
Your card machine or signal goes down you have no means to trade, except barter.
We've all been there.
I just like winding older PBers up occassionally
I actually take your point on this - just after I finished the Edinburgh Marathon (humble brag), I tried to buy some food but the telecoms in Musselburgh had been overwhelmed by the thousands of people spamming instagram with their salty faces and throbbing quads.
You can still pay with your phone with no signal - but the burger van couldn't take the payment. This caused me great anguish.
Try teaching kids about the value of money, counting and savings without cash and places to spend it in.
CASH.
Nah, my eldest turned into Gordon Gekko when he turned 11 and I opened his first bank account and he can see his money on his phone app.
That's summarises why the future is shit.
I don't want my kids glued to their phone. And I also want them to develop good mental arithmetic and a feel for the real tangibility of money.
You're turning into an old fogey pal - give it up, this is a battle you're never winning.
I am not sure that's entirely true. A cashless society (with these Central Bank digital currencies that are cropping up everywhere) is a Davos-driven policy. It's not one of the more unpleasant ones on the face of it (it beats 15 minute cities and mass starvation), though its purpose is clearly an intrusive one - the power to monitor all spending. However, the Davos agenda has become very very exposed. It is entirely possible that in the next few years, public revulsion overturns the entire thing - retreat from cash included.
29% of young Americans favour government installing surveillance cameras in every household to reduce domestic violence, abuse & other illegal activities.
Try teaching kids about the value of money, counting and savings without cash and places to spend it in.
CASH.
Nah, my eldest turned into Gordon Gekko when he turned 11 and I opened his first bank account and he can see his money on his phone app.
That's summarises why the future is shit.
I don't want my kids glued to their phone. And I also want them to develop good mental arithmetic and a feel for the real tangibility of money.
You're turning into an old fogey pal - give it up, this is a battle you're never winning.
I am not sure that's entirely true. A cashless society (with these Central Bank digital currencies that are cropping up everywhere) is a Davos-driven policy. It's not one of the more unpleasant ones on the face of it (it beats 15 minute cities and mass starvation), though its purpose is clearly an intrusive one - the power to monitor all spending. However, the Davos agenda has become very very exposed. It is entirely possible that in the next few years, public revulsion overturns the entire thing - retreat from cash included.
It may or may not be part of the Davos agenda but the reason for the rapid disappearance of cash is much simpler - convenience.
People are voting with their feet, it's market forces in operation. You should be happy with that.
Try teaching kids about the value of money, counting and savings without cash and places to spend it in.
CASH.
Nah, my eldest turned into Gordon Gekko when he turned 11 and I opened his first bank account and he can see his money on his phone app.
That's summarises why the future is shit.
I don't want my kids glued to their phone. And I also want them to develop good mental arithmetic and a feel for the real tangibility of money.
You're turning into an old fogey pal - give it up, this is a battle you're never winning.
I am not sure that's entirely true. A cashless society (with these Central Bank digital currencies that are cropping up everywhere) is a Davos-driven policy. It's not one of the more unpleasant ones on the face of it (it beats 15 minute cities and mass starvation), though its purpose is clearly an intrusive one - the power to monitor all spending. However, the Davos agenda has become very very exposed. It is entirely possible that in the next few years, public revulsion overturns the entire thing - retreat from cash included.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
And rightly so. Cash is pointless, wasteful, risky and completely outdated. The idea many of us will still be carting around slips of paper that, if taken from our person, make us poorer in any volume for much longer is for the birds. I never use cash for anything, home or abroad. Why does anyone?
Cripes, someone's awakened the anti-cash kraken from the watery depths again.
Cash is still the primary means of payment (and store of value) for unbanked people with a low income and helps avoiding debt traps due to uncontrolled spending of money. It supports anonymity and avoids tracking for economic or political reasons.[29] In addition, cash is the only means for contingency planning in order to mitigate risks in case of natural disasters or failures of the technical infrastructure like a large-scale power blackout or shutdown of the communication network.[30] Therefore, central banks and governments are increasingly driving the sufficient availability of cash. The US Federal Reserve has provided guidelines for the continuity of cash services,[31] and the Swedish government is concerned about the consequences in abandoning cash and is considering to pass a law requiring all banks to handle cash.[32]
A lot of elderly people prefer to use cash, it is also used for charity collections etc
Elderly people are irrelevant.
I assume you have parents or elderly loved ones
The elderly are far from irrelevant, and maybe you should check out the views of their children and grandchildren before making such immature comments
The cash ‘debate’ has all the facets of those over decimalisation or digital TV. The point is that people resist it, then adapt. The cash holdouts are raging against the dying of the light.
Anyone under the age of about 65 isn’t going to care about cash in times to come. It is time to transition away, this society has spent far too long at the whims of people who will be dead soon.
You will be elderly someday and I hope nobody would want you dead
I don’t want anyone dead. Just stating facts.
I’m not going to suddenly want to use cash when I’m older. That’s exactly the point, we’re keeping it around when it isn’t going be relevant in a few years.
I have no doubt the younger generation will not use cash but while a large number of older people and the poor do then it will continue to be relevant for many years to come
And your attitude to the elderly is unnecessary and does you no credit
Anyone under the age of about 65 isn’t going to care about cash in times to come. It is time to transition away, this society has spent far too long at the whims of people who will be dead soon.
You will be elderly someday and I hope nobody would want you dead
I don’t want anyone dead. Just stating facts.
I’m not going to suddenly want to use cash when I’m older. That’s exactly the point, we’re keeping it around when it isn’t going be relevant in a few years.
I have no doubt the younger generation will not use cash but while a large number of older people and the poor do then it will continue to be relevant for many years to come
And your attitude to the elderly is unnecessary and does you no credit
No you just don’t like my opinion, don’t feign offence when I didn’t say anything offensive. It’s silly.
Cash is still the primary means of payment (and store of value) for unbanked people with a low income and helps avoiding debt traps due to uncontrolled spending of money. It supports anonymity and avoids tracking for economic or political reasons.[29] In addition, cash is the only means for contingency planning in order to mitigate risks in case of natural disasters or failures of the technical infrastructure like a large-scale power blackout or shutdown of the communication network.[30] Therefore, central banks and governments are increasingly driving the sufficient availability of cash. The US Federal Reserve has provided guidelines for the continuity of cash services,[31] and the Swedish government is concerned about the consequences in abandoning cash and is considering to pass a law requiring all banks to handle cash.[32]
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
Sadly this is spot on.
It seems one of the biggest issues for the elderly is parking apps
Also most toilets require coinage and of course local charity collections
The idea it should be abolished altogether is unwise and while cash will be less important I see it here for the long term
Mind you I do not use cash myself but I respect those who need to
All parking should just be tap and go contactless like every other POS. The apps are almost as bad as cash, and pointless.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
Anyone under the age of about 65 isn’t going to care about cash in times to come. It is time to transition away, this society has spent far too long at the whims of people who will be dead soon.
You will be elderly someday and I hope nobody would want you dead
I don’t want anyone dead. Just stating facts.
I’m not going to suddenly want to use cash when I’m older. That’s exactly the point, we’re keeping it around when it isn’t going be relevant in a few years.
I have no doubt the younger generation will not use cash but while a large number of older people and the poor do then it will continue to be relevant for many years to come
And your attitude to the elderly is unnecessary and does you no credit
No you just don’t like my opinion, don’t feign offence when I didn’t say anything offensive. It’s silly.
Actually I do accept your generation will become cashless but you do have an issue with the elderly and often refer to it in your posts
29% of young Americans favour government installing surveillance cameras in every household to reduce domestic violence, abuse & other illegal activities.
See this is why I particularly hate the American use of "liberal" to mean "left". There are zero people, zero, who are genuinely "very liberal" and are in favour of literally Big Brother.
Cash is still the primary means of payment (and store of value) for unbanked people with a low income and helps avoiding debt traps due to uncontrolled spending of money. It supports anonymity and avoids tracking for economic or political reasons.[29] In addition, cash is the only means for contingency planning in order to mitigate risks in case of natural disasters or failures of the technical infrastructure like a large-scale power blackout or shutdown of the communication network.[30] Therefore, central banks and governments are increasingly driving the sufficient availability of cash. The US Federal Reserve has provided guidelines for the continuity of cash services,[31] and the Swedish government is concerned about the consequences in abandoning cash and is considering to pass a law requiring all banks to handle cash.[32]
This is all about obliging the national payments system to handle cash - not every business. In Sweden, many businesses and even small community groups don't handle cash. However, as the quote notes, many Swedes therefore choose to use banks that don't handle cash and charge lower fees. Effectively they would be asked to pay into the cash payments system, to make it viable for those who want to use it. Thus cash is becoming something like the BBC where you pay even if you don't ever use it (and this is very much the case in Sweden).
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
Next PB Tory tip: Starmer should reintroduce the shilling
Try teaching kids about the value of money, counting and savings without cash and places to spend it in.
CASH.
Nah, my eldest turned into Gordon Gekko when he turned 11 and I opened his first bank account and he can see his money on his phone app.
That's summarises why the future is shit.
I don't want my kids glued to their phone. And I also want them to develop good mental arithmetic and a feel for the real tangibility of money.
You're turning into an old fogey pal - give it up, this is a battle you're never winning.
I am not sure that's entirely true. A cashless society (with these Central Bank digital currencies that are cropping up everywhere) is a Davos-driven policy. It's not one of the more unpleasant ones on the face of it (it beats 15 minute cities and mass starvation), though its purpose is clearly an intrusive one - the power to monitor all spending. However, the Davos agenda has become very very exposed. It is entirely possible that in the next few years, public revulsion overturns the entire thing - retreat from cash included.
hahaha
You missed 5G and vaccines though!
A somewhat flaccid joke considering everything in my post is part of a publicly-stated policy platform, rather than being based on any sort of speculation.
Anyone under the age of about 65 isn’t going to care about cash in times to come. It is time to transition away, this society has spent far too long at the whims of people who will be dead soon.
You will be elderly someday and I hope nobody would want you dead
I don’t want anyone dead. Just stating facts.
I’m not going to suddenly want to use cash when I’m older. That’s exactly the point, we’re keeping it around when it isn’t going be relevant in a few years.
I have no doubt the younger generation will not use cash but while a large number of older people and the poor do then it will continue to be relevant for many years to come
And your attitude to the elderly is unnecessary and does you no credit
No you just don’t like my opinion, don’t feign offence when I didn’t say anything offensive. It’s silly.
Actually I do accept your generation will become cashless but you do have an issue with the elderly and often refer to it in your posts
No I don’t have an issue with the elderly and no I don’t mention it often. Stop lying.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
Who the fuck cares. Use your phone to pay for everything. Crypto for shady shit.
I’d guess we’re heading towards the point where cash becomes so associated with criminality, that nobody on the right side of the law would want to be associated with it.
The 5% (or whatever %?) of cash transactions that were in some way associated with criminality, well, if cash use falls 90%, that 5% becomes 50% and being in the other 50% makes you feel uncomfortable enough to get over your objections and go cashless and/or the government just bans cash, with popular support.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
Perhaps a reasonable compromise between the interests of businesses and 'left behind' consumers would be to mandate businesses over a certain size to accept cash payments. Before the trend spreads too far.
I don't carry cash so it doesn't effect me, but the potential for locking people out of the economy is real.
But I suspect the government would secretly like a society where all transactions are more easily monitored.
The more people don't take cash the more I want to bloody well use it.
Coins and notes are legal tender. You trade, you take it.
No ifs, no buts.
Legal tender doesn’t mean what you think it does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender … In some jurisdictions legal tender can be refused as payment if no debt exists prior to the time of payment (where the obligation to pay may arise at the same time as the offer of payment). For example, vending machines and transport staff do not have to accept the largest denomination of banknote. Shopkeepers may reject large banknotes, which is covered by the legal concept known as invitation to treat.[clarification needed]
The right, in many jurisdictions, of a trader to refuse to do business with any person means that a would-be purchaser may not force a purchase merely by presenting legal tender, as legal tender needs to be accepted only for debts already incurred...
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
Perhaps a reasonable compromise between the interests of businesses and 'left behind' consumers would be to mandate businesses over a certain size to accept cash payments. Before the trend spreads too far.
I don't carry cash so it doesn't effect me, but the potential for locking people out of the economy is real.
But I suspect the government would secretly like a society where all transactions are more easily monitored.
The more people don't take cash the more I want to bloody well use it.
Coins and notes are legal tender. You trade, you take it.
No ifs, no buts.
Rubbish. A trader can refuse to sell you any product on his own terms, or give you it for free, or exchange it for one of your goats. Up to him what he accepts.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
When 14 million people in the UK do not have even a half way decent internet access it is not waste of time at all. Only selfish fanatics like you who don't care about anyone worse off than themselves think it is.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
Perhaps a reasonable compromise between the interests of businesses and 'left behind' consumers would be to mandate businesses over a certain size to accept cash payments. Before the trend spreads too far.
I don't carry cash so it doesn't effect me, but the potential for locking people out of the economy is real.
But I suspect the government would secretly like a society where all transactions are more easily monitored.
The more people don't take cash the more I want to bloody well use it.
Coins and notes are legal tender. You trade, you take it.
No ifs, no buts.
You can't always have what you want. Market forces and all that.
What's needed is an electronic version of cash which makes the transfer anonymously
This already exists in some countries as I understand it
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
When 14 million people in the UK do not have even a half way decent internet access it is not waste of time at all. Only selfish fanatics like you who don't care about anyone worse off than themselves think it is.
We make it easier for everyone to not use cash. Not keep something utterly antiquated around.
Or do you think we should keep imperial measurements around too because some people don’t understand metric?
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
When 14 million people in the UK do not have even a half way decent internet access it is not waste of time at all. Only selfish fanatics like you who don't care about anyone worse off than themselves think it is.
Anyone under the age of about 65 isn’t going to care about cash in times to come. It is time to transition away, this society has spent far too long at the whims of people who will be dead soon.
You will be elderly someday and I hope nobody would want you dead
I don’t want anyone dead. Just stating facts.
I’m not going to suddenly want to use cash when I’m older. That’s exactly the point, we’re keeping it around when it isn’t going be relevant in a few years.
I have no doubt the younger generation will not use cash but while a large number of older people and the poor do then it will continue to be relevant for many years to come
And your attitude to the elderly is unnecessary and does you no credit
No you just don’t like my opinion, don’t feign offence when I didn’t say anything offensive. It’s silly.
Actually I do accept your generation will become cashless but you do have an issue with the elderly and often refer to it in your posts
No I don’t have an issue with the elderly and no I don’t mention it often. Stop lying.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
When 14 million people in the UK do not have even a half way decent internet access it is not waste of time at all. Only selfish fanatics like you who don't care about anyone worse off than themselves think it is.
Everyone would have great internet if only we installed more phone masts...
Anyone under the age of about 65 isn’t going to care about cash in times to come. It is time to transition away, this society has spent far too long at the whims of people who will be dead soon.
You will be elderly someday and I hope nobody would want you dead
I don’t want anyone dead. Just stating facts.
I’m not going to suddenly want to use cash when I’m older. That’s exactly the point, we’re keeping it around when it isn’t going be relevant in a few years.
I have no doubt the younger generation will not use cash but while a large number of older people and the poor do then it will continue to be relevant for many years to come
And your attitude to the elderly is unnecessary and does you no credit
No you just don’t like my opinion, don’t feign offence when I didn’t say anything offensive. It’s silly.
Actually I do accept your generation will become cashless but you do have an issue with the elderly and often refer to it in your posts
No I don’t have an issue with the elderly and no I don’t mention it often. Stop lying.
We will see
Apologise for making up nonsense. You were the one who once made negative comments about my grandmother, remember that?
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
Sadly this is spot on.
It seems one of the biggest issues for the elderly is parking apps
Also most toilets require coinage and of course local charity collections
The idea it should be abolished altogether is unwise and while cash will be less important I see it here for the long term
Mind you I do not use cash myself but I respect those who need to
I'm not elderly but I don't want to download a sodding phone app every time I want to park my car in a random new place.
It's the rise of the incessant pushing of apps that really irritates me the most.
29% of young Americans favour government installing surveillance cameras in every household to reduce domestic violence, abuse & other illegal activities.
In many cases under-29s have had smart devices monitoring them for their entire adult lives, so it's not that surprising that they think it's an acceptable extent of reach, since most people have already accepted major losses of privacy in exchange for well-being of a commercial kind.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
When 14 million people in the UK do not have even a half way decent internet access it is not waste of time at all. Only selfish fanatics like you who don't care about anyone worse off than themselves think it is.
Everyone would have great internet if only we installed more phone masts...
Well that’s surely a part of it. It’s like people rejecting phone masts because they ruin the “landscape”. Nobody younger than about 70 thinks that is true, yet these are the people that object.
The strange thing about parking ticket machines is that they're either coins or app, when credit/debit card would be the easiest option for a lot of people. I don't know any in my area which are.
Try teaching kids about the value of money, counting and savings without cash and places to spend it in.
CASH.
Wrong on every level.
My boy only started to understand money once he abandoned cash (and we asked relatives to transfer gift payments etc). Got him a bank account and he saw it rack up rather than as tokens to buy crap with, then spend all the stupid shrapnel on sweets.
Seattle Times ($) - Patagonia accuses Nordstrom of selling counterfeit items at the Rack
Patagonia is suing Nordstrom for committing trademark infringement by allegedly selling “thousands” of counterfeit Patagonia merchandise items at Nordstrom Rack stores after a yearslong partnership ended.
The federal lawsuit, filed Tuesday in a California district court, alleges Nordstrom Rack sold sweatshirts and T-shirts with Patagonia logos and tags that were not made by Patagonia. The lawsuit did not state how many Rack stores allegedly sold the counterfeit items.
“Patagonia brought this problem to Nordstrom’s attention and requested that the company voluntarily recall the products or reimburse customers,” the lawsuit stated. “Nordstrom has failed to recall these fake, mislabeled Patagonia-branded products (or even inform its customers that they purchased counterfeits of inferior fabrication and quality).”
A Nordstrom spokesperson said Monday that the retailer is aware of the lawsuit and reviewing the matter. The Puget Sound Business Journal was first to report the lawsuit. Nordstrom t
Nordstrom was an authorized retailer of Ventura, Calif.-based Patagonia for several years, but recently Patagonia decided not to renew the agreement, according to the lawsuit. Patagonia did not respond to inquiries about when or why it decided not to renew the agreement. Nordstrom continued selling the clothes already in stock.
Nordstrom “began selling counterfeit Patagonia products at Nordstrom Rack stores shortly after the end of the yearslong dealer relationship between Patagonia and Nordstrom,” according to the suit.
The Seattle-based retailer has 243 Nordstrom Rack locations in the U.S. The Rack has been a source of sluggish performance for the retailer. In the latest quarter, reported Wednesday, Nordstrom Rack sales decreased 12% compared to the same quarter last year. The company reported a net loss of $205 million in the quarter and overall sales decreased 11.6% compared to the same period a year ago.
The Patagonia lawsuit also stated that the quality of the garments was lower, and some were falsely labeled as made of organic cotton or “Fair Trade Certified.”
Patagonia is seeking up to $150,000 for each work infringed.
I’d guess we’re heading towards the point where cash becomes so associated with criminality, that nobody on the right side of the law would want to be associated with it.
The 5% (or whatever %?) of cash transactions that were in some way associated with criminality, well, if cash use falls 90%, that 5% becomes 50% and being in the other 50% makes you feel uncomfortable enough to go cashless and/or the government just bans cash.
I recon that’s what’s going to happen.
Cash is dead.
To be honest I think there is a misunderstanding here
Main purchases will most always be cashless, but where cash is used it is in small amounts for car parking, toilets , and charity donation boxes which I expect to continue for some years to come
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
It would be a strong signal that they are completely out of touch with young people and desperate for the reactionary pensioner vote.
Could very well work.
But it's deeply weird how "the vibe" of this seems to trigger another front in the culture wars, with people lining up on either side of it and then plucking out any argument that suits to fight it, with particular zealotry if it trolls the other.
We all used cash until literally about 5 minutes ago. It's absurd to say it's reactionary or out of touch to advocate for its continued relevance.
Your card machine or signal goes down you have no means to trade, except barter.
We've all been there.
I just like winding older PBers up occassionally
I actually take your point on this - just after I finished the Edinburgh Marathon (humble brag), I tried to buy some food but the telecoms in Musselburgh had been overwhelmed by the thousands of people spamming instagram with their salty faces and throbbing quads.
You can still pay with your phone with no signal - but the burger van couldn't take the payment. This caused me great anguish.
When someone with no cash, and better still, no debit or credit card, just their bloody phone, gets into such a predicament, I think "daft twat" and walk on with a spring in my step.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
It would be a strong signal that they are completely out of touch with young people and desperate for the reactionary pensioner vote.
Could very well work.
But it's deeply weird how "the vibe" of this seems to trigger another front in the culture wars, with people lining up on either side of it and then plucking out any argument that suits to fight it, with particular zealotry if it trolls the other.
We all used cash until literally about 5 minutes ago. It's absurd to say it's reactionary or out of touch to advocate for its continued relevance.
Your card machine or signal goes down you have no means to trade, except barter.
We've all been there.
I just like winding older PBers up occassionally
I actually take your point on this - just after I finished the Edinburgh Marathon (humble brag), I tried to buy some food but the telecoms in Musselburgh had been overwhelmed by the thousands of people spamming instagram with their salty faces and throbbing quads.
You can still pay with your phone with no signal - but the burger van couldn't take the payment. This caused me great anguish.
What you need to bear in mind is that in places like China this is already used as a means of societal control. Social credit in combination with a cashless society means that the Chinese Government can and does block those it has a problem with from purchasing stuff.
Now we are a million miles away from that here in Europe but the idea it could never happen here is seriously naive. Bad people do get into power and the trick is to make sure it is as difficult as possible for them to do stuff within the law before they get to the point of simply ignoring the law. It is the ame as any other human rights vs the state issue. Don't give them the powers in the first place and they can't abuse them.
Has anyone seen The Gallows Pole, the new Shane Meadows thing? Everyone talks like me. Most disconcerting. There’s one scene where they’re having a piss up and it’s like standing outside Big Fellas (‘Pontefract’s Premier Nitespot’) at chucking out time.
Beyond that novelty though I wouldn’t bother, turned off after half an hour. Apparently quite a lot of it’s improvised. You can tell.
It’s set in the 1760s, in West Yorkshire, and there’s black people in it and everything, so the more reactionary amongst you should probably give it a wide berth too.
I saw a cashier in Ponte the other week baffled when she was handed three Scottish twenties. So perhaps the end of cash won’t be a bad thing. It’ll be gone soon, confused pensioners or not. The market doesn’t care. Hence why there’s no bank branches anymore. Tough shit Grandad.
I don’t buy drugs anymore - getting old is shit, isn’t it? - but some diehards I know from back in the day get theirs off the dark web now, pay with crypto. Better quality of drugs, delivered to your door, no cash needed. Though perhaps that edgy frisson of trying to score a couple of grams off some dodgy fucker you don’t know was part of the fun. ‘Scoring shit coke was better in my day…’
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
Perhaps a reasonable compromise between the interests of businesses and 'left behind' consumers would be to mandate businesses over a certain size to accept cash payments. Before the trend spreads too far.
I don't carry cash so it doesn't effect me, but the potential for locking people out of the economy is real.
But I suspect the government would secretly like a society where all transactions are more easily monitored.
The more people don't take cash the more I want to bloody well use it.
Coins and notes are legal tender. You trade, you take it.
No ifs, no buts.
You can't always have what you want. Market forces and all that.
What's needed is an electronic version of cash which makes the transfer anonymously
Why?
To get some of the benefits of cash
You don't want, who - your bank?, knowing what you spend you money on?
Try teaching kids about the value of money, counting and savings without cash and places to spend it in.
CASH.
Nah, my eldest turned into Gordon Gekko when he turned 11 and I opened his first bank account and he can see his money on his phone app.
That's summarises why the future is shit.
I don't want my kids glued to their phone. And I also want them to develop good mental arithmetic and a feel for the real tangibility of money.
You're turning into an old fogey pal - give it up, this is a battle you're never winning.
I am not sure that's entirely true. A cashless society (with these Central Bank digital currencies that are cropping up everywhere) is a Davos-driven policy. It's not one of the more unpleasant ones on the face of it (it beats 15 minute cities and mass starvation), though its purpose is clearly an intrusive one - the power to monitor all spending. However, the Davos agenda has become very very exposed. It is entirely possible that in the next few years, public revulsion overturns the entire thing - retreat from cash included.
The alternative to a ubiquitous cashless payment system isn't the maintenance of cash, but the proliferation of rubbishy cash transfer apps like in the US.
The strange thing about parking ticket machines is that they're either coins or app, when credit/debit card would be the easiest option for a lot of people. I don't know any in my area which are.
Would be really cool if you could link your card to your registration plate.
Anyone under the age of about 65 isn’t going to care about cash in times to come. It is time to transition away, this society has spent far too long at the whims of people who will be dead soon.
You will be elderly someday and I hope nobody would want you dead
I don’t want anyone dead. Just stating facts.
I’m not going to suddenly want to use cash when I’m older. That’s exactly the point, we’re keeping it around when it isn’t going be relevant in a few years.
I have no doubt the younger generation will not use cash but while a large number of older people and the poor do then it will continue to be relevant for many years to come
And your attitude to the elderly is unnecessary and does you no credit
No you just don’t like my opinion, don’t feign offence when I didn’t say anything offensive. It’s silly.
Actually I do accept your generation will become cashless but you do have an issue with the elderly and often refer to it in your posts
No I don’t have an issue with the elderly and no I don’t mention it often. Stop lying.
We will see
Apologise for making up nonsense. You were the one who once made negative comments about my grandmother, remember that?
You resurrect an old misunderstanding which I apologised to you for at the time
I make no apology for the posts that you make inferring the elderly will be dead soon as in this thread
I’d guess we’re heading towards the point where cash becomes so associated with criminality, that nobody on the right side of the law would want to be associated with it.
The 5% (or whatever %?) of cash transactions that were in some way associated with criminality, well, if cash use falls 90%, that 5% becomes 50% and being in the other 50% makes you feel uncomfortable enough to go cashless and/or the government just bans cash.
I recon that’s what’s going to happen.
Cash is dead.
To be honest I think there is a misunderstanding here
Main purchases will most always be cashless, but where cash is used it is in small amounts for car parking, toilets , and charity donation boxes which I expect to continue for some years to come
To a great extent the charity boxes are just solutions for what people can do with the small change they get from other transactions. (No way am I spending half an hour filling bags with precise numbers of 2p coins followed by queueing at a bank for the privilege of getting six pounds.)
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
Sadly this is spot on.
It seems one of the biggest issues for the elderly is parking apps
Also most toilets require coinage and of course local charity collections
The idea it should be abolished altogether is unwise and while cash will be less important I see it here for the long term
Mind you I do not use cash myself but I respect those who need to
Who does 'need' to use cash?
Many elderly but mainly for small things like parking, using toilets, and giving to local charity collections
If cash goes out and that means we have to suffer the indignity of free toilets, it'll be a bitter blow for the country
Most have contactless. The more expensive the public toilet, the more likely I would use one. Honestly, I'd pay £10.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
When 14 million people in the UK do not have even a half way decent internet access it is not waste of time at all. Only selfish fanatics like you who don't care about anyone worse off than themselves think it is.
Everyone would have great internet if only we installed more phone masts...
Sadly not true. That 14 million is not people who have poor connection, it is those who lack the funds or the ability to actually use the internet. Obviously PB is a self selecting group so by its very nature it is not something that we are really going to have an issue with but organisations like the Digital Poverty Alliance shine a light on something most are not eve aware of
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
It would be a strong signal that they are completely out of touch with young people and desperate for the reactionary pensioner vote.
Could very well work.
But it's deeply weird how "the vibe" of this seems to trigger another front in the culture wars, with people lining up on either side of it and then plucking out any argument that suits to fight it, with particular zealotry if it trolls the other.
We all used cash until literally about 5 minutes ago. It's absurd to say it's reactionary or out of touch to advocate for its continued relevance.
Your card machine or signal goes down you have no means to trade, except barter.
We've all been there.
I just like winding older PBers up occassionally
I actually take your point on this - just after I finished the Edinburgh Marathon (humble brag), I tried to buy some food but the telecoms in Musselburgh had been overwhelmed by the thousands of people spamming instagram with their salty faces and throbbing quads.
You can still pay with your phone with no signal - but the burger van couldn't take the payment. This caused me great anguish.
What you need to bear in mind is that in places like China this is already used as a means of societal control. Social credit in combination with a cashless society means that the Chinese Government can and does block those it has a problem with from purchasing stuff.
Now we are a million miles away from that here in Europe but the idea it could never happen here is seriously naive. Bad people do get into power and the trick is to make sure it is as difficult as possible for them to do stuff within the law before they get to the point of simply ignoring the law. It is the ame as any other human rights vs the state issue. Don't give them the powers in the first place and they can't abuse them.
If we end up with a Chinese-style all-powerful state here, it won't because we abandoned cash; retaining cash does not make the end of democracy any less likely.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
It would be a strong signal that they are completely out of touch with young people and desperate for the reactionary pensioner vote.
Could very well work.
But it's deeply weird how "the vibe" of this seems to trigger another front in the culture wars, with people lining up on either side of it and then plucking out any argument that suits to fight it, with particular zealotry if it trolls the other.
We all used cash until literally about 5 minutes ago. It's absurd to say it's reactionary or out of touch to advocate for its continued relevance.
Your card machine or signal goes down you have no means to trade, except barter.
We've all been there.
I just like winding older PBers up occassionally
I actually take your point on this - just after I finished the Edinburgh Marathon (humble brag), I tried to buy some food but the telecoms in Musselburgh had been overwhelmed by the thousands of people spamming instagram with their salty faces and throbbing quads.
You can still pay with your phone with no signal - but the burger van couldn't take the payment. This caused me great anguish.
What you need to bear in mind is that in places like China this is already used as a means of societal control. Social credit in combination with a cashless society means that the Chinese Government can and does block those it has a problem with from purchasing stuff.
Now we are a million miles away from that here in Europe but the idea it could never happen here is seriously naive. Bad people do get into power and the trick is to make sure it is as difficult as possible for them to do stuff within the law before they get to the point of simply ignoring the law. It is the ame as any other human rights vs the state issue. Don't give them the powers in the first place and they can't abuse them.
The problem with that form of argument is that it can be applied in surprising ways to things that most people (probably including you) would find abhorrent. It argues against police, security agencies, school curricula and inspections, the maintenance of medical records, and so on.
All forms of state and private power are susceptible to abuse. The trick is to design the form of government to allow for separation/balance of powers and to have a population educated in what their rights are.
The fact is the state could freeze your bank account today. This happens, and it's painful if it happens to you. The solution isn't to abandon all electronic money and take yourself back to the 1950s and few people choose to do that today despite the theoretical risk.
On my first ever trip to Hartlepool I tried to use a 50 quid note in a corner shop. The woman (who looked like Johnny Vegas with less teeth) refused to believe such a thing existed and called me a 'c*nt'. These are the people for whom the tories now calibrate every policy.
On my first ever trip to Hartlepool I tried to use a 50 quid note in a corner shop. The woman (who looked like Johnny Vegas with less teeth) refused to believe such a thing existed and called me a 'c*nt'. These are the people for whom the tories now calibrate every policy.
To be fair, she was wrong about the fifty, but she was right about you.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
Indeed. Silly reactionary nonsense. I wouldn’t abolish cash, but we need to start accepting that the public are voting with their feet. Who wants to carry around stupid scraps of paper and scraps of metal? I don’t even carry a wallet. Why does anyone?
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
When 14 million people in the UK do not have even a half way decent internet access it is not waste of time at all. Only selfish fanatics like you who don't care about anyone worse off than themselves think it is.
Everyone would have great internet if only we installed more phone masts...
Sadly not true. That 14 million is not people who have poor connection, it is those who lack the funds or the ability to actually use the internet. Obviously PB is a self selecting group so by its very nature it is not something that we are really going to have an issue with but organisations like the Digital Poverty Alliance shine a light on something most are not eve aware of
Well said, and for transparency I was about the phone masts. It's a Horse obsession that has annoyed a few people on here so I was just putting a cat among the pigeons.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
When 14 million people in the UK do not have even a half way decent internet access it is not waste of time at all. Only selfish fanatics like you who don't care about anyone worse off than themselves think it is.
We make it easier for everyone to not use cash. Not keep something utterly antiquated around.
Or do you think we should keep imperial measurements around too because some people don’t understand metric?
The world moves on.
Why?
Why are you so insistent on making life difficult for 14 million people and annoying for millions more? You gain nothing by it since no one forces you to use cash. It strikes me you just have a nasty streak in you that wants to make life more difficult for people because you think you know better than they do.
Perhaps it is because life has been difficult for you in the recent past and you are out to get some payback.
It kind of makes me regret I was trying to reach out to you when you were having issues. I am not sure you were worth it.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
It would be a strong signal that they are completely out of touch with young people and desperate for the reactionary pensioner vote.
Could very well work.
But it's deeply weird how "the vibe" of this seems to trigger another front in the culture wars, with people lining up on either side of it and then plucking out any argument that suits to fight it, with particular zealotry if it trolls the other.
We all used cash until literally about 5 minutes ago. It's absurd to say it's reactionary or out of touch to advocate for its continued relevance.
Your card machine or signal goes down you have no means to trade, except barter.
We've all been there.
I just like winding older PBers up occassionally
I actually take your point on this - just after I finished the Edinburgh Marathon (humble brag), I tried to buy some food but the telecoms in Musselburgh had been overwhelmed by the thousands of people spamming instagram with their salty faces and throbbing quads.
You can still pay with your phone with no signal - but the burger van couldn't take the payment. This caused me great anguish.
What you need to bear in mind is that in places like China this is already used as a means of societal control. Social credit in combination with a cashless society means that the Chinese Government can and does block those it has a problem with from purchasing stuff.
Now we are a million miles away from that here in Europe but the idea it could never happen here is seriously naive. Bad people do get into power and the trick is to make sure it is as difficult as possible for them to do stuff within the law before they get to the point of simply ignoring the law. It is the ame as any other human rights vs the state issue. Don't give them the powers in the first place and they can't abuse them.
"Credit cards not working? That can be a real pain in the ass, can't it?" - Will Smith in "Enemy of the State".
Businesses can refuse cash if they choose. Many in England refuse to take Scottish or NI banknotes, or even BoE notes over £20, and have done so all my life.
They may lose custom by doing so, but such is their right.
On my first ever trip to Hartlepool I tried to use a 50 quid note in a corner shop. The woman (who looked like Johnny Vegas with less teeth) refused to believe such a thing existed and called me a 'c*nt'. These are the people for whom the tories now calibrate every policy.
I’d guess we’re heading towards the point where cash becomes so associated with criminality, that nobody on the right side of the law would want to be associated with it.
The 5% (or whatever %?) of cash transactions that were in some way associated with criminality, well, if cash use falls 90%, that 5% becomes 50% and being in the other 50% makes you feel uncomfortable enough to go cashless and/or the government just bans cash.
I recon that’s what’s going to happen.
Cash is dead.
To be honest I think there is a misunderstanding here
Main purchases will most always be cashless, but where cash is used it is in small amounts for car parking, toilets , and charity donation boxes which I expect to continue for some years to come
Last few charity box wallahs I encountered had card taps. They were the ones making the money too!
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
The French already have a law making it compulsory for businesses to accept cash.
What a complete and utter waste of time. People will be in a few years be asking what the fuss was about.
When 14 million people in the UK do not have even a half way decent internet access it is not waste of time at all. Only selfish fanatics like you who don't care about anyone worse off than themselves think it is.
Everyone would have great internet if only we installed more phone masts...
Sadly not true. That 14 million is not people who have poor connection, it is those who lack the funds or the ability to actually use the internet. Obviously PB is a self selecting group so by its very nature it is not something that we are really going to have an issue with but organisations like the Digital Poverty Alliance shine a light on something most are not eve aware of
Well said, and for transparency I was about the phone masts. It's a Horse obsession that has annoyed a few people on here so I was just putting a cat among the pigeons.
Sorry, I took it seriously. My stupid mistake
I just find this obsession with making life difficult for people apparent in some PB members to be pointless.
Heartbreaking report on the BBC about the terrible plight of Afghani women. When you see these reports you truly appreciate how lucky we are to live in Europe where women generally are respected and not written out of their own lives .
On which note, I noticed while walking through my local park this evening a sign attached to the play equipment suggesting that the kids scanned a QR code on their phone for some sort of photo-based augmented reality game...
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
Sadly this is spot on.
It seems one of the biggest issues for the elderly is parking apps
Also most toilets require coinage and of course local charity collections
The idea it should be abolished altogether is unwise and while cash will be less important I see it here for the long term
Mind you I do not use cash myself but I respect those who need to
Who does 'need' to use cash?
Many elderly but mainly for small things like parking, using toilets, and giving to local charity collections
If cash goes out and that means we have to suffer the indignity of free toilets, it'll be a bitter blow for the country
Most have contactless. The more expensive the public toilet, the more likely I would use one. Honestly, I'd pay £10.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
It would be a strong signal that they are completely out of touch with young people and desperate for the reactionary pensioner vote.
Could very well work.
But it's deeply weird how "the vibe" of this seems to trigger another front in the culture wars, with people lining up on either side of it and then plucking out any argument that suits to fight it, with particular zealotry if it trolls the other.
We all used cash until literally about 5 minutes ago. It's absurd to say it's reactionary or out of touch to advocate for its continued relevance.
Your card machine or signal goes down you have no means to trade, except barter.
We've all been there.
I just like winding older PBers up occassionally
I actually take your point on this - just after I finished the Edinburgh Marathon (humble brag), I tried to buy some food but the telecoms in Musselburgh had been overwhelmed by the thousands of people spamming instagram with their salty faces and throbbing quads.
You can still pay with your phone with no signal - but the burger van couldn't take the payment. This caused me great anguish.
When someone with no cash, and better still, no debit or credit card, just their bloody phone, gets into such a predicament, I think "daft twat" and walk on with a spring in my step.
Once in a blue moon.
Whereas normal people have to endure the tedium of cash holdouts counting out slips of paper and scraps of metal in a queue on a regular basis.
Why are you so insistent on making life difficult for 14 million people and annoying for millions more? You gain nothing by it since no one forces you to use cash.
I agree that Horse can be intolerant, but the original question was the other way round: should something be done about places that no longer accept cash? I would say no. If a small business doesn't want the hassle that goes along with handling cash, there shouldn't be any problem with allowing them to be card/contactless only.
I'm discovering an increasing number of venues and vendors that refuse to take cash.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's not legal tender if it can't be used and cash is starting to effectively become unusable and locking options and people out of the economy.
It's going to become widespread.
I was looking at some data, and the difference in insurance when you are a cashless business and a business that does keep cash on site/take cash to a bank is quite large.
A right to cash needs to be legislated for..
If Labour were serious they would pledge this. It might even win them some votes too.
It would be a strong signal that they are completely out of touch with young people and desperate for the reactionary pensioner vote.
Could very well work.
But it's deeply weird how "the vibe" of this seems to trigger another front in the culture wars, with people lining up on either side of it and then plucking out any argument that suits to fight it, with particular zealotry if it trolls the other.
We all used cash until literally about 5 minutes ago. It's absurd to say it's reactionary or out of touch to advocate for its continued relevance.
Your card machine or signal goes down you have no means to trade, except barter.
We've all been there.
I just like winding older PBers up occassionally
I actually take your point on this - just after I finished the Edinburgh Marathon (humble brag), I tried to buy some food but the telecoms in Musselburgh had been overwhelmed by the thousands of people spamming instagram with their salty faces and throbbing quads.
You can still pay with your phone with no signal - but the burger van couldn't take the payment. This caused me great anguish.
What you need to bear in mind is that in places like China this is already used as a means of societal control. Social credit in combination with a cashless society means that the Chinese Government can and does block those it has a problem with from purchasing stuff.
Now we are a million miles away from that here in Europe but the idea it could never happen here is seriously naive. Bad people do get into power and the trick is to make sure it is as difficult as possible for them to do stuff within the law before they get to the point of simply ignoring the law. It is the ame as any other human rights vs the state issue. Don't give them the powers in the first place and they can't abuse them.
"Credit cards not working? That can be a real pain in the ass, can't it?" - Will Smith in "Enemy of the State".
When the next Carrington event comes along and nothing is working we will quickly lose our love afair with all things electronic. Of course most of us (including me) who don't keep much cash at home will be no better off than everyone else but I do find amusing that so many people think the whole electronic universe is somehow infallable, cannot be corrupted and will never go wrong.
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An employee at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence drained the resort’s swimming pool last October and ended up flooding a room where computer servers containing surveillance video logs were kept, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.
While it’s unclear if the room was intentionally flooded or if it happened by mistake, the incident occurred amid a series of events that federal prosecutors found suspicious.
At least one witness has been asked by prosecutors about the flooded server room as part of the federal investigation into Trump’s handling of classified documents, according to one of the sources...
Prosecutors have heard testimony that the IT equipment in the room was not damaged in the flood, according to one source.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/05/politics/mar-a-lago-pool-flood-suspicions-prosecutors-trump-investigation-classified-documents/index.html
Especially given
Corcoran told the DOJ at the time that he was led to believe by many people that there were no additional classified or White House documents at the resort and that all White House documents would be in the storage room when he searched it.
But surveillance footage that was subsequently turned over to the Justice Department showed Nauta and the maintenance worker moving document boxes around the resort, including into that storage room just before Corcoran searched it for classified documents. Corcoran handed over 38 records he found to the FBI the next day, yet the FBI found more than a hundred more documents with classified markings in August, both in Trump’s office and in the storage room
The time may well come when it's use is minimal but I doubt it will be soon
Cash is still the primary means of payment (and store of value) for unbanked people with a low income and helps avoiding debt traps due to uncontrolled spending of money. It supports anonymity and avoids tracking for economic or political reasons.[29] In addition, cash is the only means for contingency planning in order to mitigate risks in case of natural disasters or failures of the technical infrastructure like a large-scale power blackout or shutdown of the communication network.[30] Therefore, central banks and governments are increasingly driving the sufficient availability of cash. The US Federal Reserve has provided guidelines for the continuity of cash services,[31] and the Swedish government is concerned about the consequences in abandoning cash and is considering to pass a law requiring all banks to handle cash.[32]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash#Competition_of_cash
I’m not going to suddenly want to use cash when I’m older. That’s exactly the point, we’re keeping it around when it isn’t going be relevant in a few years.
I actually take your point on this - just after I finished the Edinburgh Marathon (humble brag), I tried to buy some food but the telecoms in Musselburgh had been overwhelmed by the thousands of people spamming instagram with their salty faces and throbbing quads.
You can still pay with your phone with no signal - but the burger van couldn't take the payment. This caused me great anguish.
29% of young Americans favour government installing surveillance cameras in every household to reduce domestic violence, abuse & other illegal activities.
https://twitter.com/_alice_evans/status/1665795274214633481
People are voting with their feet, it's market forces in operation. You should be happy with that.
You missed 5G and vaccines though!
Cash is still the primary means of payment (and store of value) for unbanked people with a low income and helps avoiding debt traps due to uncontrolled spending of money. It supports anonymity and avoids tracking for economic or political reasons.[29] In addition, cash is the only means for contingency planning in order to mitigate risks in case of natural disasters or failures of the technical infrastructure like a large-scale power blackout or shutdown of the communication network.[30] Therefore, central banks and governments are increasingly driving the sufficient availability of cash. The US Federal Reserve has provided guidelines for the continuity of cash services,[31] and the Swedish government is concerned about the consequences in abandoning cash and is considering to pass a law requiring all banks to handle cash.[32]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash#Competition_of_cash
And your attitude to the elderly is unnecessary and does you no credit
Cash is woke.
The 5% (or whatever %?) of cash transactions that were in some way associated with criminality, well, if cash use falls 90%, that 5% becomes 50% and being in the other 50% makes you feel uncomfortable enough to get over your objections and go cashless and/or the government just bans cash, with popular support.
I recon that’s what’s going to happen.
Cash is dead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender
… In some jurisdictions legal tender can be refused as payment if no debt exists prior to the time of payment (where the obligation to pay may arise at the same time as the offer of payment). For example, vending machines and transport staff do not have to accept the largest denomination of banknote. Shopkeepers may reject large banknotes, which is covered by the legal concept known as invitation to treat.[clarification needed]
The right, in many jurisdictions, of a trader to refuse to do business with any person means that a would-be purchaser may not force a purchase merely by presenting legal tender, as legal tender needs to be accepted only for debts already incurred...
Or do you think we should keep imperial measurements around too because some people don’t understand metric?
The world moves on.
It's the rise of the incessant pushing of apps that really irritates me the most.
My boy only started to understand money once he abandoned cash (and we asked relatives to transfer gift payments etc). Got him a bank account and he saw it rack up rather than as tokens to buy crap with, then spend all the stupid shrapnel on sweets.
Seattle Times ($) - Patagonia accuses Nordstrom of selling counterfeit items at the Rack
Patagonia is suing Nordstrom for committing trademark infringement by allegedly selling “thousands” of counterfeit Patagonia merchandise items at Nordstrom Rack stores after a yearslong partnership ended.
The federal lawsuit, filed Tuesday in a California district court, alleges Nordstrom Rack sold sweatshirts and T-shirts with Patagonia logos and tags that were not made by Patagonia. The lawsuit did not state how many Rack stores allegedly sold the counterfeit items.
“Patagonia brought this problem to Nordstrom’s attention and requested that the company voluntarily recall the products or reimburse customers,” the lawsuit stated. “Nordstrom has failed to recall these fake, mislabeled Patagonia-branded products (or even inform its customers that they purchased counterfeits of inferior fabrication and quality).”
A Nordstrom spokesperson said Monday that the retailer is aware of the lawsuit and reviewing the matter. The Puget Sound Business Journal was first to report the lawsuit.
Nordstrom t
Nordstrom was an authorized retailer of Ventura, Calif.-based Patagonia for several years, but recently Patagonia decided not to renew the agreement, according to the lawsuit. Patagonia did not respond to inquiries about when or why it decided not to renew the agreement. Nordstrom continued selling the clothes already in stock.
Nordstrom “began selling counterfeit Patagonia products at Nordstrom Rack stores shortly after the end of the yearslong dealer relationship between Patagonia and Nordstrom,” according to the suit.
The Seattle-based retailer has 243 Nordstrom Rack locations in the U.S. The Rack has been a source of sluggish performance for the retailer. In the latest quarter, reported Wednesday, Nordstrom Rack sales decreased 12% compared to the same quarter last year. The company reported a net loss of $205 million in the quarter and overall sales decreased 11.6% compared to the same period a year ago.
The Patagonia lawsuit also stated that the quality of the garments was lower, and some were falsely labeled as made of organic cotton or “Fair Trade Certified.”
Patagonia is seeking up to $150,000 for each work infringed.
UPDATE. Green blob now pulsing.
Well, not to worry. In spot of good fortune, Alien Abduction only thing not crossed from his bucket list.
Main purchases will most always be cashless, but where cash is used it is in small amounts for car parking, toilets , and charity donation boxes which I expect to continue for some years to come
I haven’t carried cash for 10 years.
Now we are a million miles away from that here in Europe but the idea it could never happen here is seriously naive. Bad people do get into power and the trick is to make sure it is as difficult as possible for them to do stuff within the law before they get to the point of simply ignoring the law. It is the ame as any other human rights vs the state issue. Don't give them the powers in the first place and they can't abuse them.
Beyond that novelty though I wouldn’t bother, turned off after half an hour. Apparently quite a lot of it’s improvised. You can tell.
It’s set in the 1760s, in West Yorkshire, and there’s black people in it and everything, so the more reactionary amongst you should probably give it a wide berth too.
I saw a cashier in Ponte the other week baffled when she was handed three Scottish twenties. So perhaps the end of cash won’t be a bad thing. It’ll be gone soon, confused pensioners or not. The market doesn’t care. Hence why there’s no bank branches anymore. Tough shit Grandad.
I don’t buy drugs anymore - getting old is shit, isn’t it? - but some diehards I know from back in the day get theirs off the dark web now, pay with crypto. Better quality of drugs, delivered to your door, no cash needed. Though perhaps that edgy frisson of trying to score a couple of grams off some dodgy fucker you don’t know was part of the fun. ‘Scoring shit coke was better in my day…’
I get most food delivered anyhow.
What does it matter?
I make no apology for the posts that you make inferring the elderly will be dead soon as in this thread
Is that where you hover above the seat?
All forms of state and private power are susceptible to abuse. The trick is to design the form of government to allow for separation/balance of powers and to have a population educated in what their rights are.
The fact is the state could freeze your bank account today. This happens, and it's painful if it happens to you. The solution isn't to abandon all electronic money and take yourself back to the 1950s and few people choose to do that today despite the theoretical risk.
Why are you so insistent on making life difficult for 14 million people and annoying for millions more? You gain nothing by it since no one forces you to use cash. It strikes me you just have a nasty streak in you that wants to make life more difficult for people because you think you know better than they do.
Perhaps it is because life has been difficult for you in the recent past and you are out to get some payback.
It kind of makes me regret I was trying to reach out to you when you were having issues. I am not sure you were worth it.
- Will Smith in "Enemy of the State".
They may lose custom by doing so, but such is their right.
How much does it cost to 3d print a pound coin?
I just find this obsession with making life difficult for people apparent in some PB members to be pointless.
Whereas normal people have to endure the tedium of cash holdouts counting out slips of paper and scraps of metal in a queue on a regular basis.