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  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,954
    Sandpit said:

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    I'm starting to believe in god and he is punishing me. I was about to bid on a Panther J72 (quick someone get a defibrillator to @Dura_Ace. I can feel the expletives coming my way). It has been withdrawn from the auction because it is stuck in a garage behind a seized car. I naturally asked the auctioneer if they could give me the sellers details. Not surprisingly they said no. I said it was worth a try and they agreed while laughing. I've missed several cars now. Doomed never to succeed.

    Anyone any ideas how I can find who owns the car (legally)? I have the registration, engine number and chassis number.

    Can you ask the auctioneer to pass on your details to the seller, if it's a data protection thing? Although I guess it's also a auctioneer's commission thing, too?

    If you have the 11-digit number from the vehicle’s log book (V5C) then you can see where the last MOT was online and could then maybe try the garage if it's a local one/specialist one that might know the customer - or may be that the MOTer is a dealer selling it?. But if you'd seen the log book then you'd have the owner's details.

    I guess you've tried googling the registration/other details, just in case?
    Cheers. Yes googled like mad. I did assume it was a commission thing. Car doesn't need an MOT (I always find it mind boggling that an ancient car doesn't).
    If the seller has formally cancelled the contract he has with the action house, then the auctioneer isn’t going to pass the details - unless you sign a contract with him first. That might be an option.

    The person at the auction place will 100% pass on the seller's details for 100 quid cash. You can use a similar technique to get an inflated price at those We Buy Your Car places. I learned a lot during my years in Russia but being a confident and assertive briber was the most useful skill I acquired.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,311
    Nigelb said:

    Ukraine is now visually confirmed to have lost more than 500 tanks since #Russia launched its invasion on February 24, 2022.

    On the other hand, Ukraine has already received 575 tanks from NATO countries.

    #Russia is visually confirmed to have lost 1982 tanks.

    https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1661307241255895042

    1982 tanks? I thought they were losing ones built in 1962 by now? :wink:
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,506
    edited May 2023
    WillG said:

    I seem to have mistakenly logged in to Mumsnet this morning.

    Perish the thought that men take an interest in child development!
    No, it's singularly impressive to see so many men with such an interest in, deep knowledge of, and strong views on breast feeding.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,810
    Selebian said:

    The Tories aren't getting a penny from me.

    As a prospective donor: why shouldn't I see a business plan for how they're going to spend my money? And to achieve what vision?

    They seem to think that just sending round a begging letter with a big open-ended donate button alone will get results.

    Delusional.

    I find the focus on spending actions interesting - x leaflets, y ads etc. Nothing on outcomes. A bit like a charity asking for money to recruit x new people, rather than helping y people in need.
    The whole public and political sector is the same - always measuring inputs rather than outputs.

    Really grates when you’re used to the private sector, where the aim is always to minimise inputs and maximise outputs.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,311

    WillG said:

    I seem to have mistakenly logged in to Mumsnet this morning.

    Perish the thought that men take an interest in child development!
    No, it's singularly impressive to see so many men with such an interest in, and deep knowledge of, breast feeding.
    Breast is best.
    And men know best.

    That sums it up, doesn't it? :wink:
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998
    edited May 2023
    Just turned on LBC for PMQs.

    Starmer Q1 to 6 Suella/ Johnson

    Sunak A1 to 6. Inflation is down, immigration is down, Brexit is working, Labour doesn't support Rwanda, Sir Softie is a traitor
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,099
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    I'm starting to believe in god and he is punishing me. I was about to bid on a Panther J72 (quick someone get a defibrillator to @Dura_Ace. I can feel the expletives coming my way). It has been withdrawn from the auction because it is stuck in a garage behind a seized car. I naturally asked the auctioneer if they could give me the sellers details. Not surprisingly they said no. I said it was worth a try and they agreed while laughing. I've missed several cars now. Doomed never to succeed.

    Anyone any ideas how I can find who owns the car (legally)? I have the registration, engine number and chassis number.

    Can you ask the auctioneer to pass on your details to the seller, if it's a data protection thing? Although I guess it's also a auctioneer's commission thing, too?

    If you have the 11-digit number from the vehicle’s log book (V5C) then you can see where the last MOT was online and could then maybe try the garage if it's a local one/specialist one that might know the customer - or may be that the MOTer is a dealer selling it?. But if you'd seen the log book then you'd have the owner's details.

    I guess you've tried googling the registration/other details, just in case?
    Cheers. Yes googled like mad. I did assume it was a commission thing. Car doesn't need an MOT (I always find it mind boggling that an ancient car doesn't).
    If the seller has formally cancelled the contract he has with the action house, then the auctioneer isn’t going to pass the details - unless you sign a contract with him first. That might be an option.

    The person at the auction place will 100% pass on the seller's details for 100 quid cash. You can use a similar technique to get an inflated price at those We Buy Your Car places. I learned a lot during my years in Russia but being a confident and assertive briber was the most useful skill I acquired.
    To think of the career you might have had with the Tories.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,948

    I seem to have mistakenly logged in to Mumsnet this morning.

    "AITA for wanting to talk about politics?"
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,954
    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,099

    Just turned on LBC for PMQs.

    Starmer Q1 to 6 Suella/ Johnson

    Sunak A1 to 6. Inflation is down, immigration is down, Brexit is working, Labour doesn't support Rwanda, Sir Softie is a traitor

    Country. Zzzzzzzzzz.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,829
    British gilts are now back up at Trussian levels.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,555
    edited May 2023
    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    kjh said:

    I'm starting to believe in god and he is punishing me. I was about to bid on a Panther J72 (quick someone get a defibrillator to @Dura_Ace. I can feel the expletives coming my way). It has been withdrawn from the auction because it is stuck in a garage behind a seized car. I naturally asked the auctioneer if they could give me the sellers details. Not surprisingly they said no. I said it was worth a try and they agreed while laughing. I've missed several cars now. Doomed never to succeed.

    Anyone any ideas how I can find who owns the car (legally)? I have the registration, engine number and chassis number.

    Can you ask the auctioneer to pass on your details to the seller, if it's a data protection thing? Although I guess it's also a auctioneer's commission thing, too?

    If you have the 11-digit number from the vehicle’s log book (V5C) then you can see where the last MOT was online and could then maybe try the garage if it's a local one/specialist one that might know the customer - or may be that the MOTer is a dealer selling it?. But if you'd seen the log book then you'd have the owner's details.

    I guess you've tried googling the registration/other details, just in case?
    Cheers. Yes googled like mad. I did assume it was a commission thing. Car doesn't need an MOT (I always find it mind boggling that an ancient car doesn't).
    Oh yes, I forgot about the MOT not needed for classics thing.

    Assuming you've got images, google image search? Just in case the owner re-used images that had also been posted elsewhere, e.g. classics club or personal blog. But likely the auction house did their own?

    Also Sandpit's suggestion, although I suspect sharing the details with you is a breach of data protection (on their part). Looking up the details for a legitimate purpose in course of their business, fine, but sharing with random person, probably not. But their problem/breach, not yours, so might be worth a try.
    No images. They were using stock images until they got the car out of the garage which they failed to do. Owner is not in the car club either with whom I have been having a lot of contact in general, although I do have another call lined up, but they have already told me they don't know about this car, which is rare as only a few hundred were built and most are in the States or Europe.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,797
    edited May 2023
    Was Suella nodding in agreement to SKS on Q3?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998

    Just turned on LBC for PMQs.

    Starmer Q1 to 6 Suella/ Johnson

    Sunak A1 to 6. Inflation is down, immigration is down, Brexit is working, Labour doesn't support Rwanda, Sir Softie is a traitor

    I got the questions wrong, but I did get the answers right!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,880

    British gilts are now back up at Trussian levels.

    My colleague has just noted the extraordinary increase in airport parking charges (Miles above inflation). A complete rentier economy where everyone is just trying to increasingly rip each other off.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,808
    Sunak really is pisspoor.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,311
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    The Tories aren't getting a penny from me.

    As a prospective donor: why shouldn't I see a business plan for how they're going to spend my money? And to achieve what vision?

    They seem to think that just sending round a begging letter with a big open-ended donate button alone will get results.

    Delusional.

    I find the focus on spending actions interesting - x leaflets, y ads etc. Nothing on outcomes. A bit like a charity asking for money to recruit x new people, rather than helping y people in need.
    The whole public and political sector is the same - always measuring inputs rather than outputs.

    Really grates when you’re used to the private sector, where the aim is always to minimise inputs and maximise outputs.
    Not sure where academia sits, but it's pretty true that universities are interested in inputs (funding won - as it helps pay for the university, pays for job plus others' jobs) for promotion etc (papers and impact also matter, but grants won are the big one in my experience). But at least for applying for funding (and for the REF) past outputs are key.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998

    Sunak really is pisspoor.

    He wasn't even that good.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,555
    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998
    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    What about a Panther Rio? The thinking man's Triumph Dolomite.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,808

    Sunak really is pisspoor.

    He wasn't even that good.
    He is unrelentingly flat. Makes Sir Keir Royale look like vintage bubbly.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,829
    edited May 2023
    I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,810
    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    The Tories aren't getting a penny from me.

    As a prospective donor: why shouldn't I see a business plan for how they're going to spend my money? And to achieve what vision?

    They seem to think that just sending round a begging letter with a big open-ended donate button alone will get results.

    Delusional.

    I find the focus on spending actions interesting - x leaflets, y ads etc. Nothing on outcomes. A bit like a charity asking for money to recruit x new people, rather than helping y people in need.
    The whole public and political sector is the same - always measuring inputs rather than outputs.

    Really grates when you’re used to the private sector, where the aim is always to minimise inputs and maximise outputs.
    Not sure where academia sits, but it's pretty true that universities are interested in inputs (funding won - as it helps pay for the university, pays for job plus others' jobs) for promotion etc (papers and impact also matter, but grants won are the big one in my experience). But at least for applying for funding (and for the REF) past outputs are key.
    Yes, a field such as academia is going to be slightly different.

    Would you prefer the Home Office to say, as their most important metric: “we recruited an extra 20,000 police officers” or “we reduced crime by 10%, according to independent reports”.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998

    I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.

    The IMF have said this government are awesome. That provided the answer for two questions.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,879
    Pulpstar said:

    British gilts are now back up at Trussian levels.

    My colleague has just noted the extraordinary increase in airport parking charges (Miles above inflation). A complete rentier economy where everyone is just trying to increasingly rip each other off.
    It's why all my flights are now via Schiphol. If I go to Durham Tees I can leave later and the taxi costs me £12 each way. Parking a car at Newcastle costs £50 minimum and the drive is an hour minimum each way.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,829
    the Chiltern Hundreds or, as Gen Z have begun calling it on TikTok, "the Chilty Huns".

    https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/1661330378081050631?s=46&t=L9g_woCIqbo1MTuBFCK0xg
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,883

    Just turned on LBC for PMQs.

    Starmer Q1 to 6 Suella/ Johnson

    Sunak A1 to 6. Inflation is down, immigration is down, Brexit is working, Labour doesn't support Rwanda, Sir Softie is a traitor

    I assume he didn’t actually say traitor! Otherwise, the Speaker would’ve dropped on him surely?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,099
    edited May 2023

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    What about a Panther Rio? The thinking man's Triumph Dolomite.
    A Westwinds, surely ?

    (No thinking man would buy a Panther, though.)
  • I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.

    That's a very glass is half-empty view of the world.

    Many things are shit, but many things are good - and significantly the shit things could be aimed to be better but Sunak gives no impression of wanting that.

    You may not like Johnson and he certainly had his personal issues and had to go, but at least he got issues like the need for levelling up etc and came across like he had some aspiration to do better - whether it was legit or not.

    Sunak just comes across as wanting to manage decline.

    He's withdrawing into the core vote Tory NIMBYism and retreating from actually tackling any of the issues that need dealing with.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998

    Just turned on LBC for PMQs.

    Starmer Q1 to 6 Suella/ Johnson

    Sunak A1 to 6. Inflation is down, immigration is down, Brexit is working, Labour doesn't support Rwanda, Sir Softie is a traitor

    I assume he didn’t actually say traitor! Otherwise, the Speaker would’ve dropped on him surely?
    No it was my prediction, and he did, but by using less unparliamentary language.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,555

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    What about a Panther Rio? The thinking man's Triumph Dolomite.
    A friend and I fell about laughing when we first saw one. We took a picture of it by itself and then one with me next to it. On its own it looks like a RR copy, then when you stand next to it, it looks like it has shrunk in the wash.

    It was about 30% more than an XJ5.3 and Jaguar felt they had to compete with it by claiming their cars were as good, but much cheaper.

    I mean it was a Triumph Dolomite with a RR grill.

    How about the 6 wheel Panther to be really silly.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998
    Nigelb said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    What about a Panther Rio? The thinking man's Triumph Dolomite.
    A Westwinds, surely ?

    (No thinking man would buy a Panther, though.)

    https://www.hagerty.co.uk/articles/car-profiles/panther-rio-the-downsized-executive-car-that-kept-oil-tycoons-high-and-dry/
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,138
    What exactly did Paul Bristow do at PMQs? Have just watched it back. Hoyle had waved someone away from that spot behind and to the left of Sunak. Then stops proceedings and fixes the guy with a stare and doesn't break eye contact.

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1661330163089457152
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,880
    It's a shame Aldi and Lidl don't have any forecourts. Asda and Morrisons aren't nearly as competitive on price as they once were particularly for diesel.
    Unbelievable the CMA allowed Morrisons to be bought out by US private equity quite honestly.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,555
    Nigelb said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    What about a Panther Rio? The thinking man's Triumph Dolomite.
    A Westwinds, surely ?

    (No thinking man would buy a Panther, though.)
    Cough.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,170
    The Mark Oaten one for me, although the motorhome scandal is funny as hell.

    Tory MP Edward Leigh laments: "What is wrong with this country? We used to have proper scandals about sex or money"

    So what is your favourite political scandal, big or small?


    https://twitter.com/webweaseltweets/status/1661331600217452545
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998

    What exactly did Paul Bristow do at PMQs? Have just watched it back. Hoyle had waved someone away from that spot behind and to the left of Sunak. Then stops proceedings and fixes the guy with a stare and doesn't break eye contact.

    https://twitter.com/politicshome/status/1661330163089457152

    A serial offender apparently. Jonathan Gullis watch this space.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,138
    Pulpstar said:

    It's a shame Aldi and Lidl don't have any forecourts. Asda and Morrisons aren't nearly as competitive on price as they once were particularly for diesel.
    Unbelievable the CMA allowed Morrisons to be bought out by US private equity quite honestly.

    What does PE have to do with the CMA? They are only interested in competitors teaming up to screw consumers. If shark PE wants to screw consumers for profit, that is ok...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,170
    Pulpstar said:

    It's a shame Aldi and Lidl don't have any forecourts. Asda and Morrisons aren't nearly as competitive on price as they once were particularly for diesel.
    Unbelievable the CMA allowed Morrisons to be bought out by US private equity quite honestly.

    The ones that are robbing bastards are motorway service stations. Was at one in February. 30p per litre more than supermarket prices.
  • Pulpstar said:

    It's a shame Aldi and Lidl don't have any forecourts. Asda and Morrisons aren't nearly as competitive on price as they once were particularly for diesel.
    Unbelievable the CMA allowed Morrisons to be bought out by US private equity quite honestly.

    What does PE have to do with the CMA? They are only interested in competitors teaming up to screw consumers. If shark PE wants to screw consumers for profit, that is ok...
    Quite right too, because if there's competition then shark PE will lose its money as customers go elsewhere.

    I liked the post, as I agree it is a shame Aldi and Lidl don't have forecourts.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,340

    I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.

    True, but he's probably going to win the next election anyway, because Labour are worse.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,810

    The Mark Oaten one for me, although the motorhome scandal is funny as hell.

    Tory MP Edward Leigh laments: "What is wrong with this country? We used to have proper scandals about sex or money"

    So what is your favourite political scandal, big or small?


    https://twitter.com/webweaseltweets/status/1661331600217452545

    ‘Plebgate’ was a good one; or Eric Joyce getting involved in a fight in Parliament, triggering a sequence of events which would lead to Jeremy Corbyn becoming leader of the party.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,829
    Andy_JS said:

    I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.

    True, but he's probably going to win the next election anyway, because Labour are worse.
    LOL.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Andy_JS said:

    I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.

    True, but he's probably going to win the next election anyway, because Labour are worse.
    In what respect?
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,971

    Andy_JS said:

    I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.

    True, but he's probably going to win the next election anyway, because Labour are worse.
    LOL.
    Labour are pretty poor as well, but they are a change and I think there is as much as there is little enthusiasm for them there is a will to see the back of the Tories.

    Labour do offer a positive vision on housing and some other issues although their electoral manipulation and some of the changes they are looking at for DC pensions are not good.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,954
    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 24,156

    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    If food inflation is 70 trillion percent, Brits should learn to eat less. Let’s face it, this is advice that would benefit the majority of these wobbling lard arses

    The government should put it on posters, with a picture of a grim faced Therese Coffey exhorting British voters:

    “Just cut back on the pies and stop whining, you stupid fat fucks”

    I think it could be a piece of Cummings-esque electoral genius like the NHS bus thingy

    I work in Town but live in Hampshire.

    One thing I notice is, generally, how fat and overweight women are with young children in my local town - one assumes all between about 20-35 - and in London where far fewer are.

    Cooking in general seems to be a rarity - and rather time-consuming and generating lots of mess - so I imagine most people only do it once or twice a week and rely on convenience food the rest of the time.

    In London dietary choices and culture for convenience foods are broader and also a tad more expensive than pizza 'n chips.

    There are at least five takeaway pizza places in my home town and I get a leaflet shoved through the door about it most weeks.
    It’s also such a recent thing. Look at photos of Brits and Yanks in the 70s and they are nearly all slim
    Now they are blobs

    It is also a growing global phenomenon. Continental kids are getting fatter, Thais are fatter, Arabs, Israelis, Aussies: everyone

    A now deceased friend of mine made a film about the return of the body of Robert F Kennedy from California to New York in 1968. The path of the train was lined with people showing their respects. A very large number of those doing so were black. Those on the train were moved by their attendance and took some films from the train which formed the base of the later film.

    What is astonishing, and really noteworthy, is that almost none of those by the tracks are overweight at all and none are what we would now call obese. Its like a different species, the one that occupied this planet for thousands of years before fast food became ubiquitous. The change has been rapid and profound. Is it any wonder that our health services are overwhelmed by the consequences?
    I don't know about the fast food bit. My grandfather told a story of how in his mining village people would have tea/dinner at 6pm and then go for fish and chips at 10pm. A lot more physical labour back then!
    One of the surprising things in the early days of the pandemic was the difficulties the supermarkets faced with the shutdown in restaurants/takeaways, which meant the supermarkets had to increase their supply of food by something like a third to make up the difference. This indicates the large proportion of food that is eaten outside the home.
    Noticeably in the more deprived areas.
    What's you definition of a deprived area? Round here house prices are cheap so there is a lot of spare cash to spend on things others would call luxuries.
    Deprived areas such as Blackpool and parts of Manchester and Liverpool have five times more fast food outlets than affluent areas, a survey suggests.

    The data, from Public Health England (PHE), compared levels of deprivation with numbers of takeaways such as chip shops, burger bars and pizza places.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44642027

    Almost half of the fast-food outlets in England are in the most deprived parts of the country, figures show, raising fresh concerns about child obesity in poorer areas.

    The most affluent 10% of England is home to just 3% of fast-food restaurants, chip shops and burger bars, and the poorest decile has 17%, according to the data from Public Health England (PHE).


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/29/poorer-areas-of-england-have-more-fast-food-shops-figures-show

    And within individual areas there always seems to be many more grotty takeaways in the poorer areas than the richer ones.
    Poorer areas have more households (because houses are smaller) than rich ones, as any canvasser will tell you. They probably also have more shops of any kind.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,991

    I seem to have mistakenly logged in to Mumsnet this morning.

    What's your favourite biscuit?
    Whatever it is the Tories are taking it!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998
    ...
    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,138

    I seem to have mistakenly logged in to Mumsnet this morning.

    What's your favourite biscuit?
    Whatever it is the Tories are taking it!


    This kind of biscuit...?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,829
    France has just banned domestic flights between cities less than 2.5 hours apart by train.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    France has just banned domestic flights between cities less than 2.5 hours apart by train.

    On southern trains, on a bday you could fly from Croydon to London.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,880
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.

    True, but he's probably going to win the next election anyway, because Labour are worse.
    LOL.
    Labour are pretty poor as well, but they are a change and I think there is as much as there is little enthusiasm for them there is a will to see the back of the Tories.

    Labour do offer a positive vision on housing and some other issues although their electoral manipulation and some of the changes they are looking at for DC pensions are not good.
    What's the DC pension change - NI payable on salary sacrifice portion ?
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 587

    The Mark Oaten one for me, although the motorhome scandal is funny as hell.

    Tory MP Edward Leigh laments: "What is wrong with this country? We used to have proper scandals about sex or money"

    So what is your favourite political scandal, big or small?


    https://twitter.com/webweaseltweets/status/1661331600217452545

    The John Stonehouse disappearance was bizarre, especially as it tied into the Lord Lucan disappearance.

    David Mellor, Minister for fun, and the Chelsea shirt, although the football shirt detail apparently was made up by Max Clifford.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,170
    Hurrah for Blighty, in your face Germany.

    Depressingly, the UK now clearly has the highest core inflation (inflation excluding food and energy) in the G7 👇

    ...UK also now has the highest food inflation in the G7, overtaking Germany in April 👇






    https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/1661317674532589568
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,971

    Just turned on LBC for PMQs.

    Starmer Q1 to 6 Suella/ Johnson

    Sunak A1 to 6. Inflation is down, immigration is down, Brexit is working, Labour doesn't support Rwanda, Sir Softie is a traitor

    High inflation, extremely high food inflation, nothing works in this country, further strikes announced in the Health and Rail industries. Govt clueless to resolve the issues yet our next PM obsesses about trivialities that matter not a jot to most people.

    Some absolute class 1 clown used her question at PMQs to make a cheap jibe about Sunak's swimming pool. Her constituents must be so impressed.

    The calibre of modern day politicians, across the board, is woeful.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,192

    The Tories aren't getting a penny from me.

    As a prospective donor: why shouldn't I see a business plan for how they're going to spend my money? And to achieve what vision?

    They seem to think that just sending round a begging letter with a big open-ended donate button alone will get results.

    Delusional.

    Because like the one sent the day after locals, CCHQ want members to feel responsible if Starmer becomes PM because they haven't donated enough.
    Blaming anyone but themselves seems to run throughout the party.

    It's clear they hold the members in contempt - their only use is to work and earn on their behalf, and that comes across very clearly in their comms.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,810

    France has just banned domestic flights between cities less than 2.5 hours apart by train.

    Commercial flights. Private flights are still okay, good news for everyone taking the helicopter from Cannes to Monaco this weekend.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,991
    Sandpit said:

    The Mark Oaten one for me, although the motorhome scandal is funny as hell.

    Tory MP Edward Leigh laments: "What is wrong with this country? We used to have proper scandals about sex or money"

    So what is your favourite political scandal, big or small?


    https://twitter.com/webweaseltweets/status/1661331600217452545

    ‘Plebgate’ was a good one; or Eric Joyce getting involved in a fight in Parliament, triggering a sequence of events which would lead to Jeremy Corbyn becoming leader of the party.
    Plebgate was an interesting one because it posed the fascinating question of who is more likely to be a liar, a Tory politician or a member of the Metropolitan Police? I think the Met just shaded it but it was a tough call.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,971
    SandraMc said:

    The Mark Oaten one for me, although the motorhome scandal is funny as hell.

    Tory MP Edward Leigh laments: "What is wrong with this country? We used to have proper scandals about sex or money"

    So what is your favourite political scandal, big or small?


    https://twitter.com/webweaseltweets/status/1661331600217452545

    The John Stonehouse disappearance was bizarre, especially as it tied into the Lord Lucan disappearance.

    David Mellor, Minister for fun, and the Chelsea shirt, although the football shirt detail apparently was made up by Max Clifford.

    The disgraced Max Clifford. There's someone for whom Karma certainly paid back.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 2,753
    Jonathan said:

    France has just banned domestic flights between cities less than 2.5 hours apart by train.

    On southern trains, on a bday you could fly from Croydon to London.
    Bring back Croydon Airport!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,948

    Hurrah for Blighty, in your face Germany.

    Depressingly, the UK now clearly has the highest core inflation (inflation excluding food and energy) in the G7 👇

    ...UK also now has the highest food inflation in the G7, overtaking Germany in April 👇






    https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/1661317674532589568

    Liz Truss was right about the Bank of England.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,099

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    Caterhams are fun (or at least mine was back in the 80s), but you need to shed the pounds just to get in them.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,971
    edited May 2023
    Pulpstar said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.

    True, but he's probably going to win the next election anyway, because Labour are worse.
    LOL.
    Labour are pretty poor as well, but they are a change and I think there is as much as there is little enthusiasm for them there is a will to see the back of the Tories.

    Labour do offer a positive vision on housing and some other issues although their electoral manipulation and some of the changes they are looking at for DC pensions are not good.
    What's the DC pension change - NI payable on salary sacrifice portion ?
    Compelling DC funds to put 5% of its managed funds into a "Growth fund".

    Govts seem to see these funds as little piggy banks they can tap into yet the investor has to wait for years to access them.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/britain-is-sitting-on-a-4-6-trillion-industry-here-s-how-to-unlock-it/ar-AA1bxBNX?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=1d56dbc05ec3464b8ba58c2215231f1b&ei=68

    https://www.ft.com/content/03593281-2a22-4e9a-919b-cc346384e455

    "Reeves backed the proposal by Nicholas Lyons, lord mayor of the City of London, to create a £50bn growth fund, with 5 per cent of every defined contribution scheme’s assets invested in it.

    Lyons has said pensions schemes should be forced to make contributions to the fund and Reeves said she was open to this idea, although she believed the goal could be met on a voluntary basis."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,170

    Hurrah for Blighty, in your face Germany.

    Depressingly, the UK now clearly has the highest core inflation (inflation excluding food and energy) in the G7 👇

    ...UK also now has the highest food inflation in the G7, overtaking Germany in April 👇






    https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/1661317674532589568

    Liz Truss was right about the Bank of England.
    You really have drunk the kool-aid these last few years.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,971
    Nigelb said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    Caterhams are fun (or at least mine was back in the 80s), but you need to shed the pounds just to get in them.
    Is that the Prisoner's car ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,810

    Hurrah for Blighty, in your face Germany.

    Depressingly, the UK now clearly has the highest core inflation (inflation excluding food and energy) in the G7 👇

    ...UK also now has the highest food inflation in the G7, overtaking Germany in April 👇






    https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/1661317674532589568

    Liz Truss was right about the Bank of England.
    You really have drunk the kool-aid these last few years.
    You’d normally be supportive of wanting interest rates to go higher.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,099
    edited May 2023
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    Caterhams are fun (or at least mine was back in the 80s), but you need to shed the pounds just to get in them.
    Is that the Prisoner's car ?
    Yes.
    Canonically, he was supposed to have built it himself.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,555
    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Morgans are so common :wink:
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,074
    Pulpstar said:

    Public telling off for Braverman

    'a better course of action could have been taken'

    DON'T USE THE CIVIL SERVICE FOR YOUR PERSONAL STUFF AGAIN SUELLA.

    She'll be shaking in her shoes. And sending the Permanent Secretary out to buy some new ones later today.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998
    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    Caterhams are fun (or at least mine was back in the 80s), but you need to shed the pounds just to get in them.
    Is that the Prisoner's car ?
    Essentially yes. Patrick McGoohan drove a Lotus Seven. Caterham who were a Lotus Dealer in Surrey bought the rights to make it from Colin Chapman in the 1960s.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,170
    Sandpit said:

    Hurrah for Blighty, in your face Germany.

    Depressingly, the UK now clearly has the highest core inflation (inflation excluding food and energy) in the G7 👇

    ...UK also now has the highest food inflation in the G7, overtaking Germany in April 👇






    https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/1661317674532589568

    Liz Truss was right about the Bank of England.
    You really have drunk the kool-aid these last few years.
    You’d normally be supportive of wanting interest rates to go higher.
    I am but I also know how badly it will fuck mortgage holders.

    Liz Truss wouldn't know sound money if it bit her on the arse.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,964
    edited May 2023

    I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.

    That's a very glass is half-empty view of the world.

    Many things are shit, but many things are good - and significantly the shit things could be aimed to be better but Sunak gives no impression of wanting that.

    You may not like Johnson and he certainly had his personal issues and had to go, but at least he got issues like the need for levelling up etc and came across like he had some aspiration to do better - whether it was legit or not.

    Sunak just comes across as wanting to manage decline.

    He's withdrawing into the core vote Tory NIMBYism and retreating from actually tackling any of the issues that need dealing with.
    Any plan for improving anything has to start with an analysis of what has gone wrong with the status quo. That's not only obvious, but it also helps in terms of telling a political story to win support for your chosen reforms.

    The problem Sunak has (and probably Keir too, but I haven't been paying attention) is that he has no analysis of why we aren't living in a land of milk and honey. I disagree* with the loony Brexiteers and the continuity Trussites, but they at least have a story to explain why Britain is struggling - it's "retained EU law and high taxes are holding us back".

    Once you have that analysis it then points to what you will do to fix the issue, how long that will take, and what the benefits will be when the difficult work of reform has been completed. It enables you to tell voters, yes, you're struggling right now, but this is why and this is what we can do to fix it, and if that all sounds sufficiently plausible you can trust us with your vote, and give us the time to fix things.

    Sunak doesn't have a plausible story.

    * I think the order one problem is that the British economy is dominated by rentiers, sweating existing assets, with no need or desire to invest, but wanting to make monopoly profits from scarcity and lack of competition. If you could smash rent-seeking in the economy then you would reduce the cost of living and the cost of doing business, you would create economic space for innovative companies to prosper, and you would encourage investment in innovation over investment in rent-bearing assets.

    This would lead to greater economic growth, higher tax revenues, and the means by which to repair the shattered public realm.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 2,753

    Hurrah for Blighty, in your face Germany.

    Depressingly, the UK now clearly has the highest core inflation (inflation excluding food and energy) in the G7 👇

    ...UK also now has the highest food inflation in the G7, overtaking Germany in April 👇






    https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/1661317674532589568

    Liz Truss was right about the Bank of England.
    We should join the Euro. Let the ECB make the decisions for us :innocent:
  • eekeek Posts: 24,879
    edited May 2023

    The Tories aren't getting a penny from me.

    As a prospective donor: why shouldn't I see a business plan for how they're going to spend my money? And to achieve what vision?

    They seem to think that just sending round a begging letter with a big open-ended donate button alone will get results.

    Delusional.

    Because like the one sent the day after locals, CCHQ want members to feel responsible if Starmer becomes PM because they haven't donated enough.
    Blaming anyone but themselves seems to run throughout the party.

    It's clear they hold the members in contempt - their only use is to work and earn on their behalf, and that comes across very clearly in their comms.
    The party membership voted for Bozo and then Liz Truss to be the party leader.

    You can see why some people may regard a lot of the membership with contempt.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,810

    Sandpit said:

    Hurrah for Blighty, in your face Germany.

    Depressingly, the UK now clearly has the highest core inflation (inflation excluding food and energy) in the G7 👇

    ...UK also now has the highest food inflation in the G7, overtaking Germany in April 👇






    https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/1661317674532589568

    Liz Truss was right about the Bank of England.
    You really have drunk the kool-aid these last few years.
    You’d normally be supportive of wanting interest rates to go higher.
    I am but I also know how badly it will fuck mortgage holders.

    Liz Truss wouldn't know sound money if it bit her on the arse.
    So what should the BoE do, in the face of inflation stuck higher than it should be?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,170
    eek said:

    The Tories aren't getting a penny from me.

    As a prospective donor: why shouldn't I see a business plan for how they're going to spend my money? And to achieve what vision?

    They seem to think that just sending round a begging letter with a big open-ended donate button alone will get results.

    Delusional.

    Because like the one sent the day after locals, CCHQ want members to feel responsible if Starmer becomes PM because they haven't donated enough.
    Blaming anyone but themselves seems to run throughout the party.

    It's clear they hold the members in contempt - their only use is to work and earn on their behalf, and that comes across very clearly in their comms.
    The party membership voted for Bozo and then Liz Truss to be the party leader.

    You can see why some people may regard a lot of the membership with contempt.
    I said to JohnO last week that British politics has gone to shit ever since MPs gave party members the final say in choosing leaders.

    We need to take away the members vote.

    I joined the Tory party when members didn't have a say.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,138

    I don’t watch PMQs, but Sunak’s core issue is that he has nothing to work with.

    Pretty much everything is shit.

    That's a very glass is half-empty view of the world.

    Many things are shit, but many things are good - and significantly the shit things could be aimed to be better but Sunak gives no impression of wanting that.

    You may not like Johnson and he certainly had his personal issues and had to go, but at least he got issues like the need for levelling up etc and came across like he had some aspiration to do better - whether it was legit or not.

    Sunak just comes across as wanting to manage decline.

    He's withdrawing into the core vote Tory NIMBYism and retreating from actually tackling any of the issues that need dealing with.
    Any plan for improving anything has to start with an analysis of what has gone wrong with the status quo. That's not only obvious, but it also helps in terms of telling a political story to win support for your chosen reforms.

    The problem Sunak has (and probably Keir too, but I haven't been paying attention) is that he has no analysis of why we aren't living in a land of milk and honey. I disagree* with the loony Brexiteers and the continuity Trussites, but they at least have a story to explain why Britain is struggling - it's "retained EU law and high taxes are holding us back".

    Once you have that analysis it then points to what you will do to fix the issue, how long that will take, and what the benefits will be when the difficult work of reform has been completed. It enables you to tell voters, yes, you're struggling right now, but this is why and this is what we can do to fix it, and if that all sounds sufficiently plausible you can trust us with your vote, and give us the time to fix things.

    Sunak doesn't have a plausible story.

    * I think the order one problem is that the British economy is dominated by rentiers, sweating existing assets, with no need or desire to invest, but wanting to make monopoly profits from scarcity and lack of competition. If you could smash rent-seeking in the economy then you would reduce the cost of living and the cost of doing business, you would create economic space for innovative companies to prosper, and you would encourage investment in innovation over investment in rent-bearing assets.

    This would lead to greater economic growth, higher tax revenues, and the means by which to repair the shattered public realm.
    Empower housing associations to build new apartments in towns. Never to be sold off to tenants, rent set at affordable rather than market levels.

    That should put a load of rentier landlords out of business which will dump a load of property onto the market making the asking price lower.

    Cheaper rents, cheaper properties, more people living in towns to bring them back to life, more disposable income to spend on stuff (and thus more jobs) rather than sitting in rentier bank accounts.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,954

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    All cars of that type are horrible driving experiences but I've seen people go down this road many times. They don't drive the cars as much as they think they will and soon want to get rid. So you might as well just get the one with the best resale residual.

    Caterhams are awful (and quite dangerous) road cars due to shit visibility, pelvis shattering ride and very short range on its eggcup sized fuel tank.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,964
    edited May 2023

    France has just banned domestic flights between cities less than 2.5 hours apart by train.

    Does that include charter flights, or is it only scheduled flights?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,170
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hurrah for Blighty, in your face Germany.

    Depressingly, the UK now clearly has the highest core inflation (inflation excluding food and energy) in the G7 👇

    ...UK also now has the highest food inflation in the G7, overtaking Germany in April 👇






    https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/1661317674532589568

    Liz Truss was right about the Bank of England.
    You really have drunk the kool-aid these last few years.
    You’d normally be supportive of wanting interest rates to go higher.
    I am but I also know how badly it will fuck mortgage holders.

    Liz Truss wouldn't know sound money if it bit her on the arse.
    So what should the BoE do, in the face of inflation stuck higher than it should be?
    There's a reason I didn't become an economist.

    I'd put up interest rates until we got inflation under control, mortgage holders have had it good for the last 20 years or so with low interest rates.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,879

    eek said:

    The Tories aren't getting a penny from me.

    As a prospective donor: why shouldn't I see a business plan for how they're going to spend my money? And to achieve what vision?

    They seem to think that just sending round a begging letter with a big open-ended donate button alone will get results.

    Delusional.

    Because like the one sent the day after locals, CCHQ want members to feel responsible if Starmer becomes PM because they haven't donated enough.
    Blaming anyone but themselves seems to run throughout the party.

    It's clear they hold the members in contempt - their only use is to work and earn on their behalf, and that comes across very clearly in their comms.
    The party membership voted for Bozo and then Liz Truss to be the party leader.

    You can see why some people may regard a lot of the membership with contempt.
    I said to JohnO last week that British politics has gone to shit ever since MPs gave party members the final say in choosing leaders.

    We need to take away the members vote.

    I joined the Tory party when members didn't have a say.
    The solution from my viewpoint is that the Tory party should only allow the members the final say when they are in opposition.

    The consequence of that would be a Tory party continually in opposition but there would be a tiny chance the party membership may realize the consequence of the decision.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,829
    Why is British inflation higher than elsewhere?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,058
    SandraMc said:

    The Mark Oaten one for me, although the motorhome scandal is funny as hell.

    Tory MP Edward Leigh laments: "What is wrong with this country? We used to have proper scandals about sex or money"

    So what is your favourite political scandal, big or small?


    https://twitter.com/webweaseltweets/status/1661331600217452545

    The John Stonehouse disappearance was bizarre, especially as it tied into the Lord Lucan disappearance.

    David Mellor, Minister for fun, and the Chelsea shirt, although the football shirt detail apparently was made up by Max Clifford.

    Badgers.

    Nuff said.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,971

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

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    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    Caterhams are fun (or at least mine was back in the 80s), but you need to shed the pounds just to get in them.
    Is that the Prisoner's car ?
    Essentially yes. Patrick McGoohan drove a Lotus Seven. Caterham who were a Lotus Dealer in Surrey bought the rights to make it from Colin Chapman in the 1960s.
    Thanks, as an old TV buff I should really know that but didn't.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,099

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    Caterhams are fun (or at least mine was back in the 80s), but you need to shed the pounds just to get in them.
    Is that the Prisoner's car ?
    Essentially yes. Patrick McGoohan drove a Lotus Seven. Caterham who were a Lotus Dealer in Surrey bought the rights to make it from Colin Chapman in the 1960s.
    Bought mine second hand from the factory.

    They were very good about replacing the engine when it lost all its oil and seized solid in the middle of a glorious power slide on the Woodstock roundabout. On my second day of ownership.

    More prosaically, it went to pay for my wife's first kitchen.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998
    Dura_Ace said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    All cars of that type are horrible driving experiences but I've seen people go down this road many times. They don't drive the cars as much as they think they will and soon want to get rid. So you might as well just get the one with the best resale residual.

    Caterhams are awful (and quite dangerous) road cars due to shit visibility, pelvis shattering ride and very short range on its eggcup sized fuel tank.
    With a speed of light 0 to 60, I thought you'd be a fan.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,964

    Why is British inflation higher than elsewhere?

    Lots of plausible explanations.

    Lack of competition leading to larger price increases.

    Reliance on imports with a floating currency, means that weakness in the economy results in a weaker currency and inflation imported through the exchange rate.

    Natural consequence of a large budget deficit.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,514
    Dura_Ace said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    All cars of that type are horrible driving experiences but I've seen people go down this road many times. They don't drive the cars as much as they think they will and soon want to get rid. So you might as well just get the one with the best resale residual.

    Caterhams are awful (and quite dangerous) road cars due to shit visibility, pelvis shattering ride and very short range on its eggcup sized fuel tank.
    I suppose there is a moral somwehere that post-Brexit, the entire UK car industry looks as if it might end up concentrated in SW Worcestershire.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,058
    Dura_Ace said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    All cars of that type are horrible driving experiences but I've seen people go down this road many times. They don't drive the cars as much as they think they will and soon want to get rid. So you might as well just get the one with the best resale residual.

    Caterhams are awful (and quite dangerous) road cars due to shit visibility, pelvis shattering ride and very short range on its eggcup sized fuel tank.
    Ever tried an Ariel Atom V8?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,099

    Dura_Ace said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    All cars of that type are horrible driving experiences but I've seen people go down this road many times. They don't drive the cars as much as they think they will and soon want to get rid. So you might as well just get the one with the best resale residual.

    Caterhams are awful (and quite dangerous) road cars due to shit visibility, pelvis shattering ride and very short range on its eggcup sized fuel tank.
    With a speed of light 0 to 60, I thought you'd be a fan.
    They were good three or four decades ago.
    On todays roads they'd be miserable.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,954

    Dura_Ace said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    All cars of that type are horrible driving experiences but I've seen people go down this road many times. They don't drive the cars as much as they think they will and soon want to get rid. So you might as well just get the one with the best resale residual.

    Caterhams are awful (and quite dangerous) road cars due to shit visibility, pelvis shattering ride and very short range on its eggcup sized fuel tank.
    With a speed of light 0 to 60, I thought you'd be a fan.
    I have no interest in shoddy handbuilt deathtraps. My thing is fast but functional road cars given the OEM+ treatment. Hence 993, 997, E63, R8.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,555
    Dura_Ace said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    All cars of that type are horrible driving experiences but I've seen people go down this road many times. They don't drive the cars as much as they think they will and soon want to get rid. So you might as well just get the one with the best resale residual.

    Caterhams are awful (and quite dangerous) road cars due to shit visibility, pelvis shattering ride and very short range on its eggcup sized fuel tank.
    I know it is a whim that I have to get out of my system. People either own them for a lifetime or get shot of them within a year. It won't get driven much. I can't afford the petrol as it drinks the stuff. They don't lose money, but with so few around it is the luck of the draw as to whether someone wants to buy it, so you might make £10k or lose £10k.

    Re the petrol, the J72 has a big tank (it needs it). An owner said to me the first time they filled it up they had to check it wasn't running out the bottom it was taking so long.

    They also had the nice feature of exploding if hit from behind.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,004
    No clue as to how they do this technically but clearly there must have been a non-trivial amount of work to connect up Storm Shadow to Su-24s. Must have been planned a while before it was announced!

    ⚡️Photo of the 🇺🇦Ukrainian Su-24M bomber with the 🇬🇧British-🇫🇷French Storm Shadow cruise missile

    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1661341440067215360
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,810

    Why is British inflation higher than elsewhere?

    Because the BoE have been lagging the rate rises vs the Fed.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,004
    CatMan said:

    Hurrah for Blighty, in your face Germany.

    Depressingly, the UK now clearly has the highest core inflation (inflation excluding food and energy) in the G7 👇

    ...UK also now has the highest food inflation in the G7, overtaking Germany in April 👇






    https://twitter.com/BenChu_/status/1661317674532589568

    Liz Truss was right about the Bank of England.
    We should join the Euro. Let the ECB make the decisions for us :innocent:
    I'll be voting Yes to this come the Referendum.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 24,998
    ...
    Dura_Ace said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    All cars of that type are horrible driving experiences but I've seen people go down this road many times. They don't drive the cars as much as they think they will and soon want to get rid. So you might as well just get the one with the best resale residual.

    Caterhams are awful (and quite dangerous) road cars due to shit visibility, pelvis shattering ride and very short range on its eggcup sized fuel tank.
    With a speed of light 0 to 60, I thought you'd be a fan.
    I have no interest in shoddy handbuilt deathtraps. My thing is fast but functional road cars given the OEM+ treatment. Hence 993, 997, E63, R8.
    Whenever you mention R8. I have visions of you ragging an unstable rear engined Renault around South West England.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,555

    Dura_Ace said:

    ...

    Dura_Ace said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    I had managed to suppress the memory that @kjh wanted a fucking Panther. Now I'm livid all over again. 😡

    My pleasure @Dura_Ace . I made that post just for you.

    I've moved up from a Kallista to a J72 which I thought you might be a little less annoyed about.

    I might look at a DeViile next and really blow your mind. I could bid for the Disney one or Oliver Reed's old car. What do you think?
    I think you are going to spend a non-trivial amount of money on a miserable driving and ownership experience.

    If you really must debase yourself with retro tat then why not get a Morgan? At least that will hold its value and be easier to move on once sanity dawns.

    https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202305167438290
    Ooh no, a Morgan is a horrible driving experience. A Caterham 7?
    All cars of that type are horrible driving experiences but I've seen people go down this road many times. They don't drive the cars as much as they think they will and soon want to get rid. So you might as well just get the one with the best resale residual.

    Caterhams are awful (and quite dangerous) road cars due to shit visibility, pelvis shattering ride and very short range on its eggcup sized fuel tank.
    Ever tried an Ariel Atom V8?
    A few weeks ago I was following one. Wasn't following it for long.
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