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  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    Without being in any of these meetings it’s impossible to know the truth. I think many on pb suspect two things to be true:
    1) The civil service generally has a very high opinion of itself
    2) The civil service is often rather shit.

    Being a demanding taskmaster is fair enough. But there are always lines not to cross. Unbraiding someone working for you one to one is fine. Doing it in public is not. The report will surely make interesting reading whatever the outcome.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,992

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him.

    He was on a beach instead of reading his "high quality briefing materials". He has been shit at every Government job he has ever had. And apparently an objectionable arse.

    Everybody has worked for someone like him.

    I hope he gets the sack. I don't expect he will
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    Broadly agree. Also, ministers aren’t bosses in the conventional sense. They have no direct power over the abused, who can in these circumstances be moved on and not lose face. I think ministers are a special case, unless they are a sex pest or something. It’s the “Liam Byrne rule”.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Honestly, I reckon Raab is a goner, Sunak is establishing a pause for thoughtful consideration as a genuine MO, and folks will shrug and accept it. And it signals a degree of scrupulous fairness to the ERG as their acolytes are smitten one by one.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    I’m clearly drunk on free mediocre Lufthansa Prosecco but there is an important point here. Masks harm social interaction and are REALLY bad for kids and the deaf. We have three trillion facial muscles for a reason. It’s how we interact. Smiles are good. Smiles are great. Masks stop all that

    Get rid
    The other important point is mind your own business.
    Though I confess to be interested in finding out how efficient are the German airport police.
    I think I glared at them so hard they took their masks off in shame. I’m now going to try the same tactic on the “ageing high class hooker”
    Can we have a sweepstake as to what she removes?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340

    Leon said:

    On the other hand there is a woman here of about 40 who is dressed like an ageing high class hooker in a brothel. Black pleated mini skirt. Obviously seamed stockings. A top which is like a lacy negligee. Big boobs falling out. Leather bootees

    Wtf? Lots of zips and Liz truss jewellery

    My guess? An editor for a racy German publishing company heading home after the london book fair. Couldn’t be bothered to change

    Or an actual hooker

    I wouldn’t know what a hooker in a brothel looked like. Ageing, high class or otherwise!
    I had an adventurous girlfriend in Switzerland (about 50 years ago) who asked what brothels were like. I said "Dunno, shall we find out?" "Oooh, can we?!" she said. So we checked out the "massage parlour" ads in the Basler Zeitung and picked one that offered a swimming pool (?!). We went into a small reception room, and were offered drinks, which we bought and sipped, eyeing everyone nervously as they stood around chatting. Eventually a friendly Swiss girl came up and asked if we'd like to do anything else? We accepted, stripped off for a swim, then went into an adjacent room for a threesome. At the end, we thanked her and paid, she thanked us, and we wandered off.

    I've nothing to compare it with, but I hypothesise that this was a very Swiss version. I know that the trade internationally has a deeply seedy underside, so I suppose it should be an embarrassing story, but I'm bound to say it didn't feel nasty - just a pleasant deal between consenting adults.
    Hahahah

    Nick, you are a surprising chap. Nice story
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    Were one to accept that line of reasoning, it only works if Raab accurately judged the quality of work in front of him as bad. Given everything we've seen of Raab's career to date, isn't it more likely that the poor civil servant did a good job, but Raab couldn't see that?
    My experience of civil servants has I fear left me with a deep cynicism about the quality of work they produce. Even when they are sober.

    However, that is not to say Raab would be capable of recognising good work. Perhaps could be true? Their work is a crock of shit *and* he wouldn't notice even if it were good?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055
    If he goes, who replaces him? Both as Justice Sec (dunno - and what’s the backfill) and as number two in the Gvt (presumably Hunt)?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577
    biggles said:

    If he goes, who replaces him? Both as Justice Sec (dunno - and what’s the backfill) and as number two in the Gvt (presumably Hunt)?

    Boris.

    Just for the shitz n gigglez....
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,440

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    Were one to accept that line of reasoning, it only works if Raab accurately judged the quality of work in front of him as bad. Given everything we've seen of Raab's career to date, isn't it more likely that the poor civil servant did a good job, but Raab couldn't see that?
    I occasionally used to get into ‘bother’ as a result of telling junior staff or students who ‘fell short’ that ‘in life you can be useful or beautiful. At the moment you are neither!’
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416
    biggles said:

    If he goes, who replaces him? Both as Justice Sec (dunno - and what’s the backfill) and as number two in the Gvt (presumably Hunt)?

    Given Sunak's record expect it to be Patel and Braverman respectively.

    And I am not joking.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,440

    biggles said:

    If he goes, who replaces him? Both as Justice Sec (dunno - and what’s the backfill) and as number two in the Gvt (presumably Hunt)?

    Boris.

    Just for the shitz n gigglez....
    Gavin W?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    biggles said:

    Today is the day Twitter died.

    Twitter has finally started removing "legacy" blue ticks from verified accounts, with some of the world's best-known figures losing the verification sign.

    The Pope, author JK Rowling, football star Cristiano Ronaldo, US rapper Jay-Z, and TV stars Ant and Dec have lost their blue ticks on the social networking site, along with the Labour and Conservative parties.


    https://news.sky.com/story/twitter-the-pope-jk-rowling-and-ant-and-dec-among-hundreds-of-thousands-losing-their-blue-ticks-as-elon-musks-cull-begins-12862087

    Has there ever been any other context in which Ant and Dec were listed alongside the Pope?
    Books on unusual sexual fetishes?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    Today is the day Twitter died.

    Twitter has finally started removing "legacy" blue ticks from verified accounts, with some of the world's best-known figures losing the verification sign.

    The Pope, author JK Rowling, football star Cristiano Ronaldo, US rapper Jay-Z, and TV stars Ant and Dec have lost their blue ticks on the social networking site, along with the Labour and Conservative parties.


    https://news.sky.com/story/twitter-the-pope-jk-rowling-and-ant-and-dec-among-hundreds-of-thousands-losing-their-blue-ticks-as-elon-musks-cull-begins-12862087

    I have a weird sense that Twitter will survive and today is not “the day it died”. I know. I’m bonkers. But there it is
    Elon Musk, pace last thread, has been far from a genius as far as Twitter is concerned. Maybe the real genius was Jack Dorsey who came up with a concept, the face of it bonkers, that seems to survive whatever Musk does to it.
    Well that’s bollocks for starters. Twitter started as a way of enabling Americans to text each other. Because their cell networks couldn’t handle SMS

    That’s it. They just lucked out. Dorsey admits this. There was no genius involved at all
    A useful definition of genius is the ability to spot the obvious thing that nobody else has spotted.
    But they didn’t do that. They got incredibly lucky and others used their invention in a way they never intended or anticipated. Hats off to them for lucking
    out but it is hard to describe this as “genius”
    The genius is as I say, that they can come up with a bonkers concept, which is indestructible (despite Musk's best efforts), because there's no alternative that people are prepared to sign up to.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    As a fierce defender of the principles of personal responsibility and resilience, I am outraged by the suggestion that Dominic Raab should be sacked for bullying. The fact that some individuals seem to be unable to handle robust and challenging leadership styles is not a valid reason to punish a talented and effective politician.

    Let's be clear: bullying is a serious issue, and it should be taken seriously. However, we need to distinguish between genuine cases of bullying and instances where people simply don't like being told what to do or being held accountable for their actions.

    From everything I have seen and heard, Dominic Raab is a strong, assertive leader who isn't afraid to make tough decisions and hold people to account. Some may interpret this as bullying, but that's just a sign of our overly sensitive and coddled society.

    In my view, it's time for people to stop playing the victim and start taking responsibility for their own lives. If someone feels like they are being bullied, they should either confront the issue head-on or find a way to toughen up and deal with it.

    The idea that we should remove a competent and capable politician from office because a few snowflakes can't handle his leadership style is absurd. We need more leaders like Dominic Raab, not less, and I for one am grateful for the work he's doing on behalf of our country.

    So let's stop the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching and focus on what really matters: getting the job done and making the tough decisions that are necessary for success. Dominic Raab is a key player in that effort, and we should be supporting him, not attacking him.

    (Yes I generated this using ChatGPT. PB Tories consider yourself out of a job).
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055
    edited April 2023

    Leon said:

    On the other hand there is a woman here of about 40 who is dressed like an ageing high class hooker in a brothel. Black pleated mini skirt. Obviously seamed stockings. A top which is like a lacy negligee. Big boobs falling out. Leather bootees

    Wtf? Lots of zips and Liz truss jewellery

    My guess? An editor for a racy German publishing company heading home after the london book fair. Couldn’t be bothered to change

    Or an actual hooker

    I wouldn’t know what a hooker in a brothel looked like. Ageing, high class or otherwise!
    I had an adventurous girlfriend in Switzerland (about 50 years ago) who asked what brothels were like. I said "Dunno, shall we find out?" "Oooh, can we?!" she said. So we checked out the "massage parlour" ads in the Basler Zeitung and picked one that offered a swimming pool (?!). We went into a small reception room, and were offered drinks, which we bought and sipped, eyeing everyone nervously as they stood around chatting. Eventually a friendly Swiss girl came up and asked if we'd like to do anything else? We accepted, stripped off for a swim, then went into an adjacent room for a threesome. At the end, we thanked her and paid, she thanked us, and we wandered off.

    I've nothing to compare it with, but I hypothesise that this was a very Swiss version. I know that the trade internationally has a deeply seedy underside, so I suppose it should be an embarrassing story, but I'm bound to say it didn't feel nasty - just a pleasant deal between consenting adults.
    If only the News of the World had known!
    He’d have made Home Secretary!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340

    Leon said:

    On the other hand there is a woman here of about 40 who is dressed like an ageing high class hooker in a brothel. Black pleated mini skirt. Obviously seamed stockings. A top which is like a lacy negligee. Big boobs falling out. Leather bootees

    Wtf? Lots of zips and Liz truss jewellery

    My guess? An editor for a racy German publishing company heading home after the london book fair. Couldn’t be bothered to change

    Or an actual hooker

    I wouldn’t know what a hooker in a brothel looked like. Ageing, high class or otherwise!
    I had an adventurous girlfriend in Switzerland (about 50 years ago) who asked what brothels were like. I said "Dunno, shall we find out?" "Oooh, can we?!" she said. So we checked out the "massage parlour" ads in the Basler Zeitung and picked one that offered a swimming pool (?!). We went into a small reception room, and were offered drinks, which we bought and sipped, eyeing everyone nervously as they stood around chatting. Eventually a friendly Swiss girl came up and asked if we'd like to do anything else? We accepted, stripped off for a swim, then went into an adjacent room for a threesome. At the end, we thanked her and paid, she thanked us, and we wandered off.

    I've nothing to compare it with, but I hypothesise that this was a very Swiss version. I know that the trade internationally has a deeply seedy underside, so I suppose it should be an embarrassing story, but I'm bound to say it didn't feel nasty - just a pleasant deal between consenting adults.
    I think you might have encountered the German language culture of the FKK. Freikorpskultur

    It started out as healthy nudism (there may even be
    Nazi antecedents - dunno) but they have since evolved into rather polite brothels (with pools and spas etc). There is an excellent one in Koln
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    I’m clearly drunk on free mediocre Lufthansa Prosecco but there is an important point here. Masks harm social interaction and are REALLY bad for kids and the deaf. We have three trillion facial muscles for a reason. It’s how we interact. Smiles are good. Smiles are great. Masks stop all that

    Get rid
    The other important point is mind your own business.
    Though I confess to be interested in finding out how efficient are the German airport police.
    I think I glared at them so hard they took their masks off in shame. I’m now going to try the same tactic on the “ageing high class hooker”
    I thought everything was already on display ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340
    Sandpit said:

    Did anyone have a sweepstake running, on who would be the first PBer to admit to a threesome in a Swiss brothel?

    Lol. A dark horse indeed
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    Were one to accept that line of reasoning, it only works if Raab accurately judged the quality of work in front of him as bad. Given everything we've seen of Raab's career to date, isn't it more likely that the poor civil servant did a good job, but Raab couldn't see that?
    I occasionally used to get into ‘bother’ as a result of telling junior staff or students who ‘fell short’ that ‘in life you can be useful or beautiful. At the moment you are neither!’
    I remember once telling an especially stupid and dishonest civil servant, who had muddled up the months of the year, lied about a letter she had sent, threatened me with civil enforcement action for something I had already done and claimed to have transferred my data to a third party without my consent (even more bizarrely - she hadn't) that she was 'incapable of carrying out tasks that would not tax somebody with the intellect of a particularly stupid politician and the work ethic of a peculiarly idle sloth.'

    Her boss got really mad at me, in a letter with six spelling mistakes.

    I advised him to enrol on an adult literacy course...

    No wonder they're called the Stupid Loans Company.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,992
    edited April 2023
    Sandpit said:

    Did anyone have a sweepstake running, on who would be the first PBer to admit to a threesome in a Swiss brothel?

    Or that SeanT and Leon wouldn't be 2 of the 3
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055
    edited April 2023
    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    If he goes, who replaces him? Both as Justice Sec (dunno - and what’s the backfill) and as number two in the Gvt (presumably Hunt)?

    Given Sunak's record expect it to be Patel and Braverman respectively.

    And I am not joking.
    I wonder whether he might fancy splitting the Home Office into “homeland security including immigration” and “plod oversight” at the same time as taking the radical option with the Met. You could then (re)merge plod oversight into MOJ and give Braverman that one, sparing refugees her wrath, “promoting” her, and giving her six months until she gets sacked over a justice scandal?

    Or he might have three ministries. He showed interest in deck chair rearranging to address party politics with BEIS.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827
    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    If he goes, who replaces him? Both as Justice Sec (dunno - and what’s the backfill) and as number two in the Gvt (presumably Hunt)?

    Given Sunak's record expect it to be Patel and Braverman respectively.

    And I am not joking.
    The role is not really needed. If Raab goes I think no Deputy PM is a likely chance.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,992
    @YouGov
    now
    Our first Holyrood voting intention poll since Humza Yousaf became FM shows the SNP regional vote is the lowest since the 2014 indy referendum, and the constituency vote is the joint-lowest

    Labour's constituency vote is the highest since the referendum

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1649139747845971968
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587

    Penny Mordaunt confirms SNP will lose short money payments after April if it doesn’t submit accounts by 31 May. So no auditors and 6 weeks to find some, do accounts from scratch and submit. For context the short money is worth big bucks for a party experiencing cash flow issues

    https://twitter.com/deanmthomson/status/1649130680075317254

    Almost £100,000/month

    6 weeks to do accounts and get them audited is surely not beyond the wit of man? It might normally take much longer, but that is because the deadlines are many months rather than a few weeks.
    I wonder if the auditing firm is allowed to work informally with the electoral commision to feel out what caveats could be attached to the accounts whilst still satisfying the commision's rules (as well as the accounting ones, of course).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    Without being in any of these meetings it’s impossible to know the truth. I think many on pb suspect two things to be true:
    1) The civil service generally has a very high opinion of itself
    2) The civil service is often rather shit

    .
    You'd think they and Raab would have a lot in common, were that the case.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?
    Well their birthrates are in free fall
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416

    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    If he goes, who replaces him? Both as Justice Sec (dunno - and what’s the backfill) and as number two in the Gvt (presumably Hunt)?

    Given Sunak's record expect it to be Patel and Braverman respectively.

    And I am not joking.
    The role is not really needed. If Raab goes I think no Deputy PM is a likely chance.
    May and Brown didn't have one, of course. Nor Thatcher for much of the time.

    However, it would be sensible for a PM in today's world to have a nominated second. Even if it's just an honorific on who chairs the cabinet in your absence.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    I've had experience of what you are describing above from politicians and actually it is all just a performance, there are limited ways of assessing the 'quality of briefing materials', they can just take a dislike to something and that is that. Many politicians themselves are not that bright anyway, they just have emotional outbursts based on an inflated sense of self importance and then officials have to manage the fall out of that.

    Some of the most ruthless bullies I have encountered are actually senior civil servants and senior officials in local government.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577

    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    If he goes, who replaces him? Both as Justice Sec (dunno - and what’s the backfill) and as number two in the Gvt (presumably Hunt)?

    Given Sunak's record expect it to be Patel and Braverman respectively.

    And I am not joking.
    The role is not really needed. If Raab goes I think no Deputy PM is a likely chance.
    There can be a spin-the-bottle game on the Cabinet table to find out who deputises for the PM - and gets to make Starmer look a bit more shit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    If he goes, who replaces him? Both as Justice Sec (dunno - and what’s the backfill) and as number two in the Gvt (presumably Hunt)?

    Given Sunak's record expect it to be Patel and Braverman respectively.

    And I am not joking.
    The role is not really needed. If Raab goes I think no Deputy PM is a likely chance.
    May and Brown didn't have one, of course. Nor Thatcher for much of the time.

    However, it would be sensible for a PM in today's world to have a nominated second. Even if it's just an honorific on who chairs the cabinet in your absence.
    As much as anything, I think they become “minister for PMQs, and then the Today programme during the election”. A second person with a wider view.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?
    Aside of a collapsing birthrate?
    Personally I think masks engender a sense of fear, and this is an inevitable consequence of two years when national governments actively set out to terrify their citizens into ‘compliance’.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    I wonder what arrested the decline the first time on that graph?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226

    biggles said:

    If he goes, who replaces him? Both as Justice Sec (dunno - and what’s the backfill) and as number two in the Gvt (presumably Hunt)?

    Boris.

    Just for the shitz n gigglez....
    I can see how that increases the shits count, but giggles?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577
    Do you think Humza Yousaf is doing well or badly as First Minister?

    All Scots
    Well: 19%
    Badly: 44%
    Don't know: 36%

    2019 SNP voters
    Well: 32%
    Badly: 28%
    Don't know: 40%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/04/20/snp-hit-post-referendum-holyrood-vote-lows

    I suspect it won't take those don't knows too long to come to a decision.....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416
    biggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    I wonder what arrested the decline the first time on that graph?
    Very wild guess, but possibly Vietnam?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340

    Do you think Humza Yousaf is doing well or badly as First Minister?

    All Scots
    Well: 19%
    Badly: 44%
    Don't know: 36%

    2019 SNP voters
    Well: 32%
    Badly: 28%
    Don't know: 40%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/04/20/snp-hit-post-referendum-holyrood-vote-lows

    I suspect it won't take those don't knows too long to come to a decision.....

    The Nats are going to lose at Westminster - badly - and likely lose at holyrood. Ah well. What a shame. Such nice people
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416

    Do you think Humza Yousaf is doing well or badly as First Minister?

    All Scots
    Well: 19%
    Badly: 44%
    Don't know: 36%

    2019 SNP voters
    Well: 32%
    Badly: 28%
    Don't know: 40%

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/04/20/snp-hit-post-referendum-holyrood-vote-lows

    I suspect it won't take those don't knows too long to come to a decision.....

    Well, you've got to say that's a good poll for him.

    If one in five think he's doing a good job now, he could roger a goat in public and still get a decent response.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    When did masks on public transport take off in Asia? Guessing at least three quarters of the way on the downslope? Hardly showing cause and effect (it will be a small contributing factor but was happening anyway).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    You need to use TFR, otherwise all you are picking up is that Japan has lots of old people and no immigrants, and then to compare it with other countries with similar demographics and different attitudes to masks.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    I don’t think anyone doubts he has the right to high quality briefing materials. Any minister in his position would. That right comes with the office, however, an office that does not carry the right to inflict harm on those whose work does not meet the standards he (and I note you’re judging the quality of the hypothetical work without actually seeing it) deems substandard.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    biggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    I wonder what arrested the decline the first time on that graph?
    Swinging sixties?
    Trough 1963, later peak 1973, downhill all the way since then.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,099
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    So, no relationship whatsoever with mask wearing.

    And, of course, https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/news/view/2595728-face-masks-make-wearers-look-more-attractive,-study-suggests
  • Support for Scottish independence likewise remains the same as it was in last month’s poll, with 46% saying they would vote Yes and 54% No.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/04/20/snp-hit-post-referendum-holyrood-vote-lows
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055
    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    I wonder what arrested the decline the first time on that graph?
    Very wild guess, but possibly Vietnam?
    Noting the time frame, and Japan being Japan at that time, I wonder when they introduced the Pill and normalised other contraception? Getting in on the free love without the safety net?
  • Well


  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    So, no relationship whatsoever with mask wearing.

    And, of course, https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/news/view/2595728-face-masks-make-wearers-look-more-attractive,-study-suggests
    So ugly people should wear brown paper bags on their heads? I’ve been validated. Been saying it for years.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,099
    biggles said:

    ydoethur said:

    biggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    I wonder what arrested the decline the first time on that graph?
    Very wild guess, but possibly Vietnam?
    Noting the time frame, and Japan being Japan at that time, I wonder when they introduced the Pill and normalised other contraception? Getting in on the free love without the safety net?
    The Pill was legalised very late in Japan. 1999, IIRC.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?
    Well their birthrates are in free fall
    T is for Troll.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,847
    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    At least Snooker isn't as boring as Cricket :)
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Today is the day Twitter died.

    Twitter has finally started removing "legacy" blue ticks from verified accounts, with some of the world's best-known figures losing the verification sign.

    The Pope, author JK Rowling, football star Cristiano Ronaldo, US rapper Jay-Z, and TV stars Ant and Dec have lost their blue ticks on the social networking site, along with the Labour and Conservative parties.


    https://news.sky.com/story/twitter-the-pope-jk-rowling-and-ant-and-dec-among-hundreds-of-thousands-losing-their-blue-ticks-as-elon-musks-cull-begins-12862087

    His Holiness is really ticked off!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,867
    edited April 2023

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    Covid has been every bit as divisive as Brexit, just that the split is closer 30:70, with the 30 I think never going to accept that the pandemic is over and covid has joined the roster of endemic viruses. Twitter still boils with true believers, demanding masks for all in all healthcare settings, and displaying their virtue all the time.
    There are many immune compromised people who have genuine reasons to try their damnedest to avoid infection. I don’t know if they used to use masks before covid or not though. I suspect masks are functioning as much psychologically as physiologically for many.
    In between heavy showers I’ve been wandering around Bergamo this evening, epicentre of the European pandemic, and the only few people wearing masks were people of East Asian appearance. It’s good to be travelling without all the painful and pesky paraphernalia and paperwork of the pandemic.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,158
    edited April 2023
    Sandpit said:

    biggles said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    I wonder what arrested the decline the first time on that graph?
    Swinging sixties?
    Trough 1963, later peak 1973, downhill all the way since then.
    1973, the economic crash and oil shock , worldwide.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    Good for them. He'll have to get mummy and daddy to pay the damages...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    Upgrade of the Switchblade in use in Ukraine.

    The first external view of a Ukrainian Switchblade 600 loitering munition, donated by the US- Russian soldiers filming the wreckage after detonation.

    Compared to SB300, the SB600 can carry a more powerful payload (incl. anti-armor) and can hit targets over 40km away.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1649115118339227657
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,978
    biggles said:

    Today is the day Twitter died.

    Twitter has finally started removing "legacy" blue ticks from verified accounts, with some of the world's best-known figures losing the verification sign.

    The Pope, author JK Rowling, football star Cristiano Ronaldo, US rapper Jay-Z, and TV stars Ant and Dec have lost their blue ticks on the social networking site, along with the Labour and Conservative parties.


    https://news.sky.com/story/twitter-the-pope-jk-rowling-and-ant-and-dec-among-hundreds-of-thousands-losing-their-blue-ticks-as-elon-musks-cull-begins-12862087

    Has there ever been any other context in which Ant and Dec were listed alongside the Pope?
    Turns out they all like a shit in the woods.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Leon said:

    On the other hand there is a woman here of about 40 who is dressed like an ageing high class hooker in a brothel. Black pleated mini skirt. Obviously seamed stockings. A top which is like a lacy negligee. Big boobs falling out. Leather bootees

    Wtf? Lots of zips and Liz truss jewellery

    My guess? An editor for a racy German publishing company heading home after the london book fair. Couldn’t be bothered to change

    Or an actual hooker

    I wouldn’t know what a hooker in a brothel looked like. Ageing, high class or otherwise!
    I had an adventurous girlfriend in Switzerland (about 50 years ago) who asked what brothels were like. I said "Dunno, shall we find out?" "Oooh, can we?!" she said. So we checked out the "massage parlour" ads in the Basler Zeitung and picked one that offered a swimming pool (?!). We went into a small reception room, and were offered drinks, which we bought and sipped, eyeing everyone nervously as they stood around chatting. Eventually a friendly Swiss girl came up and asked if we'd like to do anything else? We accepted, stripped off for a swim, then went into an adjacent room for a threesome. At the end, we thanked her and paid, she thanked us, and we wandered off.

    I've nothing to compare it with, but I hypothesise that this was a very Swiss version. I know that the trade internationally has a deeply seedy underside, so I suppose it should be an embarrassing story, but I'm bound to say it didn't feel nasty - just a pleasant deal between consenting adults.
    Has someone hacked your account?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872
    DougSeal said:

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    I don’t think anyone doubts he has the right to high quality briefing materials. Any minister in his position would. That right comes with the office, however, an office that does not carry the right to inflict harm on those whose work does not meet the standards he (and I note you’re judging the quality of the hypothetical work without actually seeing it) deems substandard.
    Is there anyone here that has worked closely with the civil service and found their output adequate? I have worked with them and would actively avoid working with them again because they are incompetent...in my case dft and nhs and dfe. I am sure if they are the capable competent people that they claim someone on this board will speak up for them
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,416

    Leon said:

    On the other hand there is a woman here of about 40 who is dressed like an ageing high class hooker in a brothel. Black pleated mini skirt. Obviously seamed stockings. A top which is like a lacy negligee. Big boobs falling out. Leather bootees

    Wtf? Lots of zips and Liz truss jewellery

    My guess? An editor for a racy German publishing company heading home after the london book fair. Couldn’t be bothered to change

    Or an actual hooker

    I wouldn’t know what a hooker in a brothel looked like. Ageing, high class or otherwise!
    I had an adventurous girlfriend in Switzerland (about 50 years ago) who asked what brothels were like. I said "Dunno, shall we find out?" "Oooh, can we?!" she said. So we checked out the "massage parlour" ads in the Basler Zeitung and picked one that offered a swimming pool (?!). We went into a small reception room, and were offered drinks, which we bought and sipped, eyeing everyone nervously as they stood around chatting. Eventually a friendly Swiss girl came up and asked if we'd like to do anything else? We accepted, stripped off for a swim, then went into an adjacent room for a threesome. At the end, we thanked her and paid, she thanked us, and we wandered off.

    I've nothing to compare it with, but I hypothesise that this was a very Swiss version. I know that the trade internationally has a deeply seedy underside, so I suppose it should be an embarrassing story, but I'm bound to say it didn't feel nasty - just a pleasant deal between consenting adults.
    Nick, you ruddy legend. Great story.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827
    Pagan2 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    I don’t think anyone doubts he has the right to high quality briefing materials. Any minister in his position would. That right comes with the office, however, an office that does not carry the right to inflict harm on those whose work does not meet the standards he (and I note you’re judging the quality of the hypothetical work without actually seeing it) deems substandard.
    Is there anyone here that has worked closely with the civil service and found their output adequate? I have worked with them and would actively avoid working with them again because they are incompetent...in my case dft and nhs and dfe. I am sure if they are the capable competent people that they claim someone on this board will speak up for them
    If a government has been in power for 13 years in a row and is generally in power 80 odd percent of the time, then if the civil service is rubbish it is not acceptable to simply blame the civil service, it is the politicians job to manage them! Perhaps random bullying doesn't help the situation even if they are rubbish?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
    A ticket costs, what, £50 and there were 400-odd spectators, so even if they all sue, the bill won't bankrupt the crowd-funded trustafarian.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,055
    Pagan2 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    I don’t think anyone doubts he has the right to high quality briefing materials. Any minister in his position would. That right comes with the office, however, an office that does not carry the right to inflict harm on those whose work does not meet the standards he (and I note you’re judging the quality of the hypothetical work without actually seeing it) deems substandard.
    Is there anyone here that has worked closely with the civil service and found their output adequate? I have worked with them and would actively avoid working with them again because they are incompetent...in my case dft and nhs and dfe. I am sure if they are the capable competent people that they claim someone on this board will speak up for them
    If you’re going to suggest an organisation of 440,000 people are all incompetent, the onus is on you to have a tad more evidence than “I dealt with a few of them once and I didn’t like their answer”.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Pagan2 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    I don’t think anyone doubts he has the right to high quality briefing materials. Any minister in his position would. That right comes with the office, however, an office that does not carry the right to inflict harm on those whose work does not meet the standards he (and I note you’re judging the quality of the hypothetical work without actually seeing it) deems substandard.
    Is there anyone here that has worked closely with the civil service and found their output adequate? I have worked with them and would actively avoid working with them again because they are incompetent...in my case dft and nhs and dfe. I am sure if they are the capable competent people that they claim someone on this board will speak up for them
    Then why hasn’t the party that’s been in power 13 years done something about it? Screaming at them isn’t going to suddenly make them competent.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586
    edited April 2023

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
    A ticket costs, what, £50 and there were 400-odd spectators, so even if they all sue, the bill won't bankrupt the crowd-funded trustafarian.
    “That geezer who jumped on the table, he has upset me,” Hearn told the Sportsman. “I also feel sorry for the project that he claims to represent. He did it more harm than good. But my overriding consideration is that all those people bought a ticket and had their evening spoiled. So I am going to write to the people that missed out and offer to support them, on a no-win, no-fee basis.

    “And I am going to suggest they all join me in taking civil action against that young man for the cost incurred in their ticket, their travel, their food. I don’t think people should take the mick, thinking that the poor old punter can just get treated like it just doesn’t matter. I want to send a message out to anyone else who wants to try it – we will do you as well.”

    Hearn, who remains the president of Matchroom Sport and had been involved in professional snooker since the late 1970s, intends to personally write to the 460 spectators who were directly affected. “It will be the small claims court and there will be an awful lot of people going,”


    It’s interesting to note that the offender has been bailed until June, despite being arrested six times for similar offences in the past year, and already served a week in custody. How many more offences will he commit, between now and his court appearance for this offence?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,416

    As a fierce defender of the principles of personal responsibility and resilience, I am outraged by the suggestion that Dominic Raab should be sacked for bullying. The fact that some individuals seem to be unable to handle robust and challenging leadership styles is not a valid reason to punish a talented and effective politician.

    Let's be clear: bullying is a serious issue, and it should be taken seriously. However, we need to distinguish between genuine cases of bullying and instances where people simply don't like being told what to do or being held accountable for their actions.

    From everything I have seen and heard, Dominic Raab is a strong, assertive leader who isn't afraid to make tough decisions and hold people to account. Some may interpret this as bullying, but that's just a sign of our overly sensitive and coddled society.

    In my view, it's time for people to stop playing the victim and start taking responsibility for their own lives. If someone feels like they are being bullied, they should either confront the issue head-on or find a way to toughen up and deal with it.

    The idea that we should remove a competent and capable politician from office because a few snowflakes can't handle his leadership style is absurd. We need more leaders like Dominic Raab, not less, and I for one am grateful for the work he's doing on behalf of our country.

    So let's stop the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching and focus on what really matters: getting the job done and making the tough decisions that are necessary for success. Dominic Raab is a key player in that effort, and we should be supporting him, not attacking him.

    (Yes I generated this using ChatGPT. PB Tories consider yourself out of a job).

    I quite like chat GPT. I have been asking it to either write scenes or story outlines for TV shows I like. It came up with this Columbo story, a later one from the reboot. I quite liked it.

    Title: A Perfect Murder

    Introduction:
    The episode opens with a wealthy businessman, Charles Baldwin, played by John Lithgow, discussing a deal with a rival company over the phone. We see him looking around the room nervously as he talks, hinting that something is not quite right. The camera then pans to a woman's hand holding a glass of red wine, with a manicured hand slowly dropping a pill into it. The camera then pans up to reveal the woman, Baldwin's wife, played by Glenn Close, looking pleased with herself.

    Act One:
    Columbo, played by Peter Falk, is called to investigate the death of Charles Baldwin. Baldwin is found dead in his office, having apparently suffered a heart attack. However, Columbo is immediately suspicious, as Baldwin was known to be in good health and had no history of heart problems. Columbo's investigation leads him to interview Baldwin's wife, who claims that she was at home when Baldwin died.

    Act Two:
    As Columbo continues his investigation, he discovers that Baldwin was in the process of finalizing a deal with a rival company, which would have made him a fortune. However, he also learns that Baldwin had recently discovered that his wife was having an affair with the CEO of the rival company, and that she was planning to leave Baldwin for him. Columbo begins to suspect that Baldwin's death was not a natural one, but rather a carefully planned murder.

    Act Three:
    As Columbo continues to piece together the clues, he becomes convinced that Baldwin's wife was responsible for his death. However, he struggles to find the evidence he needs to prove it. In a final showdown with Mrs. Baldwin, Columbo tricks her into confessing to the murder.

    Conclusion:
    The episode ends with Mrs. Baldwin being led away in handcuffs, as Columbo looks on, satisfied with his work. As he walks away, we hear his trademark catchphrase, "Just one more thing..." as he turns back to ask Mrs. Baldwin one final question.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
    A ticket costs, what, £50 and there were 400-odd spectators, so even if they all sue, the bill won't bankrupt the crowd-funded trustafarian.
    It will be crowdfunded and if he is any good at social media can probably end up making money out of it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416
    DougSeal said:

    Pagan2 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    I don’t think anyone doubts he has the right to high quality briefing materials. Any minister in his position would. That right comes with the office, however, an office that does not carry the right to inflict harm on those whose work does not meet the standards he (and I note you’re judging the quality of the hypothetical work without actually seeing it) deems substandard.
    Is there anyone here that has worked closely with the civil service and found their output adequate? I have worked with them and would actively avoid working with them again because they are incompetent...in my case dft and nhs and dfe. I am sure if they are the capable competent people that they claim someone on this board will speak up for them
    Then why hasn’t the party that’s been in power 13 years done something about it? Screaming at them isn’t going to suddenly make them competent.
    They have.

    They've appointed even stupider ones who happened to be their mates.

    Remember, Cummings appointed Case because he wanted somebody completely useless. And oh boy did he get one.

    Not that Wormald would have been any better.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,416
    .

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
    A ticket costs, what, £50 and there were 400-odd spectators, so even if they all sue, the bill won't bankrupt the crowd-funded trustafarian.
    It will be crowdfunded and if he is any good at social media can probably end up making money out of it.
    Perhaps he can get The Good Law project to defend him ?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    I don’t think anyone doubts he has the right to high quality briefing materials. Any minister in his position would. That right comes with the office, however, an office that does not carry the right to inflict harm on those whose work does not meet the standards he (and I note you’re judging the quality of the hypothetical work without actually seeing it) deems substandard.
    Is there anyone here that has worked closely with the civil service and found their output adequate? I have worked with them and would actively avoid working with them again because they are incompetent...in my case dft and nhs and dfe. I am sure if they are the capable competent people that they claim someone on this board will speak up for them
    If a government has been in power for 13 years in a row and is generally in power 80 odd percent of the time, then if the civil service is rubbish it is not acceptable to simply blame the civil service, it is the politicians job to manage them! Perhaps random bullying doesn't help the situation even if they are rubbish?
    No I am not talking about the civil service on what they are instructed to do by ministers. I am saying whatever they do they have always come across as know nothing incompetents on the implementation side with all 3 departments I have dealt with. More interested in fighting inhouse civil service politics and empire building than actually getting the project to actually work....that is not on politicians. Though I agree politicians are no better.

    Perhaps we need a new saying those that can, do it, those that can't become civil servants and become a pain in the arse for those that can do, and those that are totally clueless become politicians
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Taz said:

    As a fierce defender of the principles of personal responsibility and resilience, I am outraged by the suggestion that Dominic Raab should be sacked for bullying. The fact that some individuals seem to be unable to handle robust and challenging leadership styles is not a valid reason to punish a talented and effective politician.

    Let's be clear: bullying is a serious issue, and it should be taken seriously. However, we need to distinguish between genuine cases of bullying and instances where people simply don't like being told what to do or being held accountable for their actions.

    From everything I have seen and heard, Dominic Raab is a strong, assertive leader who isn't afraid to make tough decisions and hold people to account. Some may interpret this as bullying, but that's just a sign of our overly sensitive and coddled society.

    In my view, it's time for people to stop playing the victim and start taking responsibility for their own lives. If someone feels like they are being bullied, they should either confront the issue head-on or find a way to toughen up and deal with it.

    The idea that we should remove a competent and capable politician from office because a few snowflakes can't handle his leadership style is absurd. We need more leaders like Dominic Raab, not less, and I for one am grateful for the work he's doing on behalf of our country.

    So let's stop the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching and focus on what really matters: getting the job done and making the tough decisions that are necessary for success. Dominic Raab is a key player in that effort, and we should be supporting him, not attacking him.

    (Yes I generated this using ChatGPT. PB Tories consider yourself out of a job).

    I quite like chat GPT. I have been asking it to either write scenes or story outlines for TV shows I like. It came up with this Columbo story, a later one from the reboot. I quite liked it.

    Title: A Perfect Murder

    Introduction:
    The episode opens with a wealthy businessman, Charles Baldwin, played by John Lithgow, discussing a deal with a rival company over the phone. We see him looking around the room nervously as he talks, hinting that something is not quite right. The camera then pans to a woman's hand holding a glass of red wine, with a manicured hand slowly dropping a pill into it. The camera then pans up to reveal the woman, Baldwin's wife, played by Glenn Close, looking pleased with herself.

    Act One:
    Columbo, played by Peter Falk, is called to investigate the death of Charles Baldwin. Baldwin is found dead in his office, having apparently suffered a heart attack. However, Columbo is immediately suspicious, as Baldwin was known to be in good health and had no history of heart problems. Columbo's investigation leads him to interview Baldwin's wife, who claims that she was at home when Baldwin died.

    Act Two:
    As Columbo continues his investigation, he discovers that Baldwin was in the process of finalizing a deal with a rival company, which would have made him a fortune. However, he also learns that Baldwin had recently discovered that his wife was having an affair with the CEO of the rival company, and that she was planning to leave Baldwin for him. Columbo begins to suspect that Baldwin's death was not a natural one, but rather a carefully planned murder.

    Act Three:
    As Columbo continues to piece together the clues, he becomes convinced that Baldwin's wife was responsible for his death. However, he struggles to find the evidence he needs to prove it. In a final showdown with Mrs. Baldwin, Columbo tricks her into confessing to the murder.

    Conclusion:
    The episode ends with Mrs. Baldwin being led away in handcuffs, as Columbo looks on, satisfied with his work. As he walks away, we hear his trademark catchphrase, "Just one more thing..." as he turns back to ask Mrs. Baldwin one final question.
    I asked it to do a summary of an EastEnders episode in the style of Wodehouse yesterday. It was okay save for it being convinced Derek Trotter is in Eastenders rather than Only Fools.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
    A ticket costs, what, £50 and there were 400-odd spectators, so even if they all sue, the bill won't bankrupt the crowd-funded trustafarian.
    It's a start.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
    A ticket costs, what, £50 and there were 400-odd spectators, so even if they all sue, the bill won't bankrupt the crowd-funded trustafarian.
    It will be crowdfunded and if he is any good at social media can probably end up making money out of it.
    A fool and his money are easily parted but I count supportive comments for him, even on Twitter, on the fingers of one hand.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    There are two guys in their 30s wearing face masks IN THE LOUNGE. They are sitting 5 metres away from anyone else. What the fuck is wrong with these twits?

    I have a strange desire to smite them

    Maybe they have colds and are protecting you?
    They don’t look remotely sick. They look like they are brimful of health. They’re just idiots, I suspect
    People who wear masks care about their own health AND the health of OTHERS.

    People who don't, er, don't.

    Endex.
    Well they’ve just taken their masks off and are now sitting there normally, so if they were protecting the HEALTH of OTHERS they’ve just decided they don’t give a fuck about OTHERS any more

    I stand by my conclusion that they are nervous twats, terrified by three years of weirdness into truly abnormal behaviour
    Are there other types of clothing that wind you up that badly? Headscarves? Gloves? Why don't you let them wear what they want, so long as they're not telling you what you should wear?
    It’s a fair point, but for one thing. Humans are social creatures who use facial expressions to keep society moving along nicely. Masking gets in the way, not unlike some extreme forms of Islamic face covering.
    Masks outside of proper clinical environments are also not really that good at doing what people think they are doing. Better to have good ventilation, but best of all to be vaccinated and generally in good health (if possible).
    Has the regular use of masks on public transport in Japan caused them serious social problems?


    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/JPN/japan/birth-rate
    So, no relationship whatsoever with mask wearing.

    And, of course, https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/news/view/2595728-face-masks-make-wearers-look-more-attractive,-study-suggests
    Did Canadians start mask wearing prepandemic too?


  • TazTaz Posts: 14,416
    DougSeal said:

    Taz said:

    As a fierce defender of the principles of personal responsibility and resilience, I am outraged by the suggestion that Dominic Raab should be sacked for bullying. The fact that some individuals seem to be unable to handle robust and challenging leadership styles is not a valid reason to punish a talented and effective politician.

    Let's be clear: bullying is a serious issue, and it should be taken seriously. However, we need to distinguish between genuine cases of bullying and instances where people simply don't like being told what to do or being held accountable for their actions.

    From everything I have seen and heard, Dominic Raab is a strong, assertive leader who isn't afraid to make tough decisions and hold people to account. Some may interpret this as bullying, but that's just a sign of our overly sensitive and coddled society.

    In my view, it's time for people to stop playing the victim and start taking responsibility for their own lives. If someone feels like they are being bullied, they should either confront the issue head-on or find a way to toughen up and deal with it.

    The idea that we should remove a competent and capable politician from office because a few snowflakes can't handle his leadership style is absurd. We need more leaders like Dominic Raab, not less, and I for one am grateful for the work he's doing on behalf of our country.

    So let's stop the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching and focus on what really matters: getting the job done and making the tough decisions that are necessary for success. Dominic Raab is a key player in that effort, and we should be supporting him, not attacking him.

    (Yes I generated this using ChatGPT. PB Tories consider yourself out of a job).

    I quite like chat GPT. I have been asking it to either write scenes or story outlines for TV shows I like. It came up with this Columbo story, a later one from the reboot. I quite liked it.

    Title: A Perfect Murder

    Introduction:
    The episode opens with a wealthy businessman, Charles Baldwin, played by John Lithgow, discussing a deal with a rival company over the phone. We see him looking around the room nervously as he talks, hinting that something is not quite right. The camera then pans to a woman's hand holding a glass of red wine, with a manicured hand slowly dropping a pill into it. The camera then pans up to reveal the woman, Baldwin's wife, played by Glenn Close, looking pleased with herself.

    Act One:
    Columbo, played by Peter Falk, is called to investigate the death of Charles Baldwin. Baldwin is found dead in his office, having apparently suffered a heart attack. However, Columbo is immediately suspicious, as Baldwin was known to be in good health and had no history of heart problems. Columbo's investigation leads him to interview Baldwin's wife, who claims that she was at home when Baldwin died.

    Act Two:
    As Columbo continues his investigation, he discovers that Baldwin was in the process of finalizing a deal with a rival company, which would have made him a fortune. However, he also learns that Baldwin had recently discovered that his wife was having an affair with the CEO of the rival company, and that she was planning to leave Baldwin for him. Columbo begins to suspect that Baldwin's death was not a natural one, but rather a carefully planned murder.

    Act Three:
    As Columbo continues to piece together the clues, he becomes convinced that Baldwin's wife was responsible for his death. However, he struggles to find the evidence he needs to prove it. In a final showdown with Mrs. Baldwin, Columbo tricks her into confessing to the murder.

    Conclusion:
    The episode ends with Mrs. Baldwin being led away in handcuffs, as Columbo looks on, satisfied with his work. As he walks away, we hear his trademark catchphrase, "Just one more thing..." as he turns back to ask Mrs. Baldwin one final question.
    I asked it to do a summary of an EastEnders episode in the style of Wodehouse yesterday. It was okay save for it being convinced Derek Trotter is in Eastenders rather than Only Fools.
    I’ve got it to write the outline of three doctor who seasons. One for the second, third and fourth doctor.

    The first one it did for the third doctor was simply existing stories rejigged in a different order.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Classic PB moment with @NickPalmer this evening.

    Brilliant honesty.

    I sometimes wish I was so frank about my life on here, but I lack the courage.

    Bravo @NickPalmer 👏
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    I don’t think anyone doubts he has the right to high quality briefing materials. Any minister in his position would. That right comes with the office, however, an office that does not carry the right to inflict harm on those whose work does not meet the standards he (and I note you’re judging the quality of the hypothetical work without actually seeing it) deems substandard.
    Is there anyone here that has worked closely with the civil service and found their output adequate? I have worked with them and would actively avoid working with them again because they are incompetent...in my case dft and nhs and dfe. I am sure if they are the capable competent people that they claim someone on this board will speak up for them
    If a government has been in power for 13 years in a row and is generally in power 80 odd percent of the time, then if the civil service is rubbish it is not acceptable to simply blame the civil service, it is the politicians job to manage them! Perhaps random bullying doesn't help the situation even if they are rubbish?
    No I am not talking about the civil service on what they are instructed to do by ministers. I am saying whatever they do they have always come across as know nothing incompetents on the implementation side with all 3 departments I have dealt with. More interested in fighting inhouse civil service politics and empire building than actually getting the project to actually work....that is not on politicians. Though I agree politicians are no better.

    Perhaps we need a new saying those that can, do it, those that can't become civil servants and become a pain in the arse for those that can do, and those that are totally clueless become politicians
    The point was the government are ultimately responsible for the state including the civil service. They can reform it, even abolish if they wanted to. If it is underperforming decade after decade the politicians are ultimately to blame for not managing it better.

    Yet, many Tory politicians, and their cheerleaders on here, love to blame the civil service for the failures of government as if the civil service was an independent entity outside of their control.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,586

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
    A ticket costs, what, £50 and there were 400-odd spectators, so even if they all sue, the bill won't bankrupt the crowd-funded trustafarian.
    It's a start.
    It’s still 20 bags, plus several hours of Daddy’s lawyer dealing with all the paperwork.

    How many people also missed the last train and got a taxi or an hotel? 400 individual claims in the small claims court could tie up his own brief for a couple of weeks.

    Could be £100k by the time it all washes out. Even a rich Daddy notices that sort of money.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Just to go out on a limb....

    I have no love for Raab. I have no doubt he can be an objectionable See You Next Tuesday.

    However, if as is stated he has made people cry because he has ripped the shit out of the quality of work they have produced for him, then good for him. He is at the top of Government. He has a right to expect the very highest quality briefing materials to be available to him. If somebody too junior is put in harms way, that is the fault of the Civil Service. Our top Ministers should not be getting work experience snowflakes briefing them. If he makes Malcolm Tucker look like Mary Poppins, then the Civil Service should expect that - and man up accordingly.

    I don’t think anyone doubts he has the right to high quality briefing materials. Any minister in his position would. That right comes with the office, however, an office that does not carry the right to inflict harm on those whose work does not meet the standards he (and I note you’re judging the quality of the hypothetical work without actually seeing it) deems substandard.
    Is there anyone here that has worked closely with the civil service and found their output adequate? I have worked with them and would actively avoid working with them again because they are incompetent...in my case dft and nhs and dfe. I am sure if they are the capable competent people that they claim someone on this board will speak up for them
    If a government has been in power for 13 years in a row and is generally in power 80 odd percent of the time, then if the civil service is rubbish it is not acceptable to simply blame the civil service, it is the politicians job to manage them! Perhaps random bullying doesn't help the situation even if they are rubbish?
    No I am not talking about the civil service on what they are instructed to do by ministers. I am saying whatever they do they have always come across as know nothing incompetents on the implementation side with all 3 departments I have dealt with. More interested in fighting inhouse civil service politics and empire building than actually getting the project to actually work....that is not on politicians. Though I agree politicians are no better.

    Perhaps we need a new saying those that can, do it, those that can't become civil servants and become a pain in the arse for those that can do, and those that are totally clueless become politicians
    The point was the government are ultimately responsible for the state including the civil service. They can reform it, even abolish if they wanted to. If it is underperforming decade after decade the politicians are ultimately to blame for not managing it better.

    Yet, many Tory politicians, and their cheerleaders on here, love to blame the civil service for the failures of government as if the civil service was an independent entity outside of their control.
    Can any government just say to the civil service you are all incompetent you are sacked? No they can't Ed Balls tested that with Shoesmith who I don't think anyone would claim was competent in anyway shape or form
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
    A ticket costs, what, £50 and there were 400-odd spectators, so even if they all sue, the bill won't bankrupt the crowd-funded trustafarian.
    “That geezer who jumped on the table, he has upset me,” Hearn told the Sportsman. “I also feel sorry for the project that he claims to represent. He did it more harm than good. But my overriding consideration is that all those people bought a ticket and had their evening spoiled. So I am going to write to the people that missed out and offer to support them, on a no-win, no-fee basis.

    “And I am going to suggest they all join me in taking civil action against that young man for the cost incurred in their ticket, their travel, their food. I don’t think people should take the mick, thinking that the poor old punter can just get treated like it just doesn’t matter. I want to send a message out to anyone else who wants to try it – we will do you as well.”

    Hearn, who remains the president of Matchroom Sport and had been involved in professional snooker since the late 1970s, intends to personally write to the 460 spectators who were directly affected. “It will be the small claims court and there will be an awful lot of people going,”


    It’s interesting to note that the offender has been bailed until June, despite being arrested six times for similar offences in the past year, and already served a week in custody. How many more offences will he commit, between now and his court appearance for this offence?
    It's at times like this that I wish we had California's three strikes law.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
    A ticket costs, what, £50 and there were 400-odd spectators, so even if they all sue, the bill won't bankrupt the crowd-funded trustafarian.
    “That geezer who jumped on the table, he has upset me,” Hearn told the Sportsman. “I also feel sorry for the project that he claims to represent. He did it more harm than good. But my overriding consideration is that all those people bought a ticket and had their evening spoiled. So I am going to write to the people that missed out and offer to support them, on a no-win, no-fee basis.

    “And I am going to suggest they all join me in taking civil action against that young man for the cost incurred in their ticket, their travel, their food. I don’t think people should take the mick, thinking that the poor old punter can just get treated like it just doesn’t matter. I want to send a message out to anyone else who wants to try it – we will do you as well.”

    Hearn, who remains the president of Matchroom Sport and had been involved in professional snooker since the late 1970s, intends to personally write to the 460 spectators who were directly affected. “It will be the small claims court and there will be an awful lot of people going,”


    It’s interesting to note that the offender has been bailed until June, despite being arrested six times for similar offences in the past year, and already served a week in custody. How many more offences will he commit, between now and his court appearance for this offence?
    The photograph that made all the papers is iconic. A candidate for picture of the year. Just Stop Oil’s chief publicist will be buffing her nails. An absolute result for them.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340

    Classic PB moment with @NickPalmer this evening.

    Brilliant honesty.

    I sometimes wish I was so frank about my life on here, but I lack the courage.

    Bravo @NickPalmer 👏

    You should try it. No one knows who you are. Total honesty is admirable, brave, uplifting and - as we see today - often very amusing. I have elevated NPXMP several dimensions in my estimation

    I doubt that he actually wanted this. But hey. It is the case
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Shame


  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Snooker promotor Barry Hearn to fund civil lawsuits from spectators who had their evening disrupted by the protester. They’re going to sue the hell out of the soap-dodger.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2023/04/20/just-stop-oil-snooker-protests-barry-hearn-legal-action/

    I hope they take the little shit to the cleaners, both figuratively and literally.
    A ticket costs, what, £50 and there were 400-odd spectators, so even if they all sue, the bill won't bankrupt the crowd-funded trustafarian.
    “That geezer who jumped on the table, he has upset me,” Hearn told the Sportsman. “I also feel sorry for the project that he claims to represent. He did it more harm than good. But my overriding consideration is that all those people bought a ticket and had their evening spoiled. So I am going to write to the people that missed out and offer to support them, on a no-win, no-fee basis.

    “And I am going to suggest they all join me in taking civil action against that young man for the cost incurred in their ticket, their travel, their food. I don’t think people should take the mick, thinking that the poor old punter can just get treated like it just doesn’t matter. I want to send a message out to anyone else who wants to try it – we will do you as well.”

    Hearn, who remains the president of Matchroom Sport and had been involved in professional snooker since the late 1970s, intends to personally write to the 460 spectators who were directly affected. “It will be the small claims court and there will be an awful lot of people going,”


    It’s interesting to note that the offender has been bailed until June, despite being arrested six times for similar offences in the past year, and already served a week in custody. How many more offences will he commit, between now and his court appearance for this offence?
    The photograph that made all the papers is iconic. A candidate for picture of the year. Just Stop Oil’s chief publicist will be buffing her nails. An absolute result for them.
    Well if she wants the country to believe just stop oil are a complete bunch of twats yes job done
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Better


  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041
    Forget Sunak, Raab, Starmer, and Reeves. The key players are Jackson, Miles, Rollins, and Damien. Check out the Chimps.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Leon said:

    Classic PB moment with @NickPalmer this evening.

    Brilliant honesty.

    I sometimes wish I was so frank about my life on here, but I lack the courage.

    Bravo @NickPalmer 👏

    You should try it. No one knows who you are. Total honesty is admirable, brave, uplifting and - as we see today - often very amusing. I have elevated NPXMP several dimensions in my estimation

    I doubt that he actually wanted this. But hey. It is the case
    Ha! I think you and Nick are probably the most open posters, perhaps @MaxPB is up there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340
    PBers who missed the first Nick Palmer’s Swiss Threesome Day are going to be consumed with envy - and entirely mystified. Thousands will claim to have been online for that moment, like the 90 million Frenchmen who claim to have fought in the Resistance
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    This is an appalling case.
    The guy was convicted on the sole testimony of the man who actually killed the victim.

    The Oklahoma Court of Criminal Appeals has denied the joint motion to stay Richard Glossip's execution and his petition for a new trial, even though
    @Okla_OAG has agreed that Glossip is entitled to relief.

    https://twitter.com/RDunhamDP/status/1649095282582339596
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Leon said:

    PBers who missed the first Nick Palmer’s Swiss Threesome Day are going to be consumed with envy - and entirely mystified. Thousands will claim to have been online for that moment, like the 90 million Frenchmen who claim to have fought in the Resistance

    See also those who attended the 66 World Cup final, were at headingly for Botham in 81 and then Stokes in 19.

    But I know I was here, reading with ever increasing incredulity. Surely a hacked account? But no, real, genuine and faintly shocking. Like granny say Feck Off.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340

    Leon said:

    Classic PB moment with @NickPalmer this evening.

    Brilliant honesty.

    I sometimes wish I was so frank about my life on here, but I lack the courage.

    Bravo @NickPalmer 👏

    You should try it. No one knows who you are. Total honesty is admirable, brave, uplifting and - as we see today - often very amusing. I have elevated NPXMP several dimensions in my estimation

    I doubt that he actually wanted this. But hey. It is the case
    Ha! I think you and Nick are probably the most open posters, perhaps @MaxPB is up there.
    Nick still posts in his own name. Bravo. I am genuinely and properly impressed
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