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Could his role on January 6th block Trump’s WH2024 campaign? – politicalbetting.com

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edited April 2023 in General
imageCould his role on January 6th block Trump’s WH2024 campaign? – politicalbetting.com

This is from today’s Washington Post:

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  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,025
    That last thread didn't last for long?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,586
    Stark difference between using Mean or Median Poll Analysis

    11 Polls with fieldwork entirely in April

    LAB Ave. 44.45 (45,44,45,41,46,44,44,48,45,42,44)

    CON Ave 28.73 ( 28,27,30,30,26,30,30,25,30,28,32)

    LAB Lead 15.72

    Polls with fieldwork in previous 2 weeks (late March)

    LAB Ave. 46.63 (48,45,45,44,46,46,50,49)

    CON Ave. 26.25 (27,27,29,22,26,26,27,26)

    LAB Lead 18.38

    Reduction in LAB Lead 2.66
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727
    What the....?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    edited April 2023
    "Deltapoll
    @DeltapollUK
    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨

    Lab 43% (-5)
    Con 29% (+2)
    Lib Dem 10% (+1)
    Other 17% (-)

    Fieldwork: 13th - 17th April 2023
    Sample: 1,567 GB adults
    (Changes from 31st March - 3rd April 2023)"

    https://twitter.com/DeltapollUK/status/1648244320703528960
  • Stark difference between using Mean or Median Poll Analysis

    11 Polls with fieldwork entirely in April

    LAB Ave. 44.45 (45,44,45,41,46,44,44,48,45,42,44)

    CON Ave 28.73 ( 28,27,30,30,26,30,30,25,30,28,32)

    LAB Lead 15.72

    Polls with fieldwork in previous 2 weeks (late March)

    LAB Ave. 46.63 (48,45,45,44,46,46,50,49)

    CON Ave. 26.25 (27,27,29,22,26,26,27,26)

    LAB Lead 18.38

    Reduction in LAB Lead 2.66

    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨

    Labour lead is fourteen in latest results from Deltapoll.

    Con 29% (+2)
    Lab 43% (-5)
    Lib Dem 10% (+1)
    Other 17% (-)
    Fieldwork: 13th - 17th April 2023

    Sample: 1,567 GB adults

    (Changes from 31st March - 3rd April 2023)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,003
    Cookie said:

    That last thread didn't last for long?

    Yes some lowlife dragged it down bigtime
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Surely the answer is 'no' because the litigation wouldn't be concluded in time and it would eventually just end up in SCOTUS who would tell the plaintiffs to ram it.
  • Cookie said:

    That last thread didn't last for long?

    Similar to Humza Yousaf maybe
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,053
    Prosecuting Trump for things like dodgy accounting in presidential campaign is appropriate, no-one is above the law. But deliberate targetting of Trump using Laws specifically written for mid 19th C. post civil war USA, will just make the Trump claims of a Witch Hunt believable.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,586

    Stark difference between using Mean or Median Poll Analysis

    11 Polls with fieldwork entirely in April

    LAB Ave. 44.45 (45,44,45,41,46,44,44,48,45,42,44)

    CON Ave 28.73 ( 28,27,30,30,26,30,30,25,30,28,32)

    LAB Lead 15.72

    Polls with fieldwork in previous 2 weeks (late March)

    LAB Ave. 46.63 (48,45,45,44,46,46,50,49)

    CON Ave. 26.25 (27,27,29,22,26,26,27,26)

    LAB Lead 18.38

    Reduction in LAB Lead 2.66

    Missed the Median bit off

    Stark difference between using Mean or Median Poll Analysis

    11 Polls with fieldwork entirely in April

    LAB Ave. 44.45 (45,44,45,41,46,44,44,48,45,42,44)

    CON Ave 28.73 ( 28,27,30,30,26,30,30,25,30,28,32)

    LAB Lead 15.72

    Polls with fieldwork in previous 2 weeks (late March)

    LAB Ave. 46.63 (48,45,45,44,46,46,50,49)

    CON Ave. 26.25 (27,27,29,22,26,26,27,26)

    LAB Lead 18.38

    Reduction in LAB Lead 2.66

    MEDIAN April LAB 44 CON 30 LAB Median Lead 14
    MEDIAN Late March LAB 46 CON 26.5 LAB Median Lead 19.5
    MEDIAN Reduction in Lab Lead 5.5
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727
    I thought Trump had to have been convicted of insurrection or rebellion for this to disbar him - the only criminal prosecution that would debar him.

    Not sure how any prosecution is going to happen to happen before the next inauguration. Still, just flagging it will move more independents towards Biden.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,571

    Cookie said:

    That last thread didn't last for long?

    Similar to Humza Yousaf maybe
    We can still talk about the mess the SNP is in. ....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727
    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,533
    edited April 2023
    eristdoof said:

    Prosecuting Trump for things like dodgy accounting in presidential campaign is appropriate, no-one is above the law. But deliberate targetting of Trump using Laws specifically written for mid 19th C. post civil war USA, will just make the Trump claims of a Witch Hunt believable.

    I would buy that argument if the law in question wasn't: "if you engage in an insurrection against the state you can't hold public office again" - a stricture with which most reasonable people might agree.

    It's not like it is one of those "you cannot hold public office if you covet another man's turnip" laws which made sense in a turnip-driven economy but have no real meaning now.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,139

    Cookie said:

    That last thread didn't last for long?

    Similar to Humza Yousaf maybe
    We can still talk about the mess the SNP is in. ....
    Absolutely, Trump is so yesterday's turd. Sturgeon on the other hand - ripe!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,503
    edited April 2023

    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.

    You could have at least corrected the typo.
    But good stuff, admitting that the case for the Union has been an intellectual vacuum is startlingly honest.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    edited April 2023
    "Young woman shot dead after her car pulled into wrong driveway in Hebron, New York State
    A man has been charged with murder after killing a young woman when her car pulled into the wrong driveway – just days after a similar incident saw a teenager shot after ringing the wrong doorbell."

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/young-woman-shot-dead-after-her-car-pulled-into-wrong-driveway-4108369
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,699

    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.

    It's certainy true that post-2016, it's difficult to argue for having a separation referendum not on a very precise prospectus.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,368

    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.

    In short, don't repeat Brexit.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,544

    Stark difference between using Mean or Median Poll Analysis

    11 Polls with fieldwork entirely in April

    LAB Ave. 44.45 (45,44,45,41,46,44,44,48,45,42,44)

    CON Ave 28.73 ( 28,27,30,30,26,30,30,25,30,28,32)

    LAB Lead 15.72

    Polls with fieldwork in previous 2 weeks (late March)

    LAB Ave. 46.63 (48,45,45,44,46,46,50,49)

    CON Ave. 26.25 (27,27,29,22,26,26,27,26)

    LAB Lead 18.38

    Reduction in LAB Lead 2.66

    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨

    Labour lead is fourteen in latest results from Deltapoll.

    Con 29% (+2)
    Lab 43% (-5)
    Lib Dem 10% (+1)
    Other 17% (-)
    Fieldwork: 13th - 17th April 2023

    Sample: 1,567 GB adults

    (Changes from 31st March - 3rd April 2023)
    That's a meaningful move and will be worrying for Labour.
    My base case is still that Labour gains a small majority at the next election, thanks to (a) a recovery in Scotland and (b) a worsening economic outlook in the next 12 months.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,977
    Dura_Ace said:

    Surely the answer is 'no' because the litigation wouldn't be concluded in time and it would eventually just end up in SCOTUS who would tell the plaintiffs to ram it.

    Yes, seems pretty optimistic in that regard . I get investigations take time but they still haven't even concluded the one re his Georgia interference. A candidate badgering top election officials for an hour to change outcomes feels like it should be against the rules even if it isn't.
  • WestieWestie Posts: 426
    So Dom didn't factor the possibility of Trump's facing such legal difficulties into the analysis of his US2024 "data"?

    Sure, 3% of this highly intelligently defined demographic or 5% of that one may switch to or away from Trump, but his chances aren't great in any state where he's not on the ballot paper. Ditto if he's in a state jail where no president can pardon him, so he'd have to show Kim Jong-un his skyscraper pics on Skype or Whatsapp. And several more criminal charges are likely to land home too.

    If circumstances do lead Trump back to the WH, though, one thing is for sure: he won't be choosing someone like Mike Pence as VP. Tom Cotton, more like.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,699

    Stark difference between using Mean or Median Poll Analysis

    11 Polls with fieldwork entirely in April

    LAB Ave. 44.45 (45,44,45,41,46,44,44,48,45,42,44)

    CON Ave 28.73 ( 28,27,30,30,26,30,30,25,30,28,32)

    LAB Lead 15.72

    Polls with fieldwork in previous 2 weeks (late March)

    LAB Ave. 46.63 (48,45,45,44,46,46,50,49)

    CON Ave. 26.25 (27,27,29,22,26,26,27,26)

    LAB Lead 18.38

    Reduction in LAB Lead 2.66

    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨

    Labour lead is fourteen in latest results from Deltapoll.

    Con 29% (+2)
    Lab 43% (-5)
    Lib Dem 10% (+1)
    Other 17% (-)
    Fieldwork: 13th - 17th April 2023

    Sample: 1,567 GB adults

    (Changes from 31st March - 3rd April 2023)
    That's a meaningful move and will be worrying for Labour.
    My base case is still that Labour gains a small majority at the next election, thanks to (a) a recovery in Scotland and (b) a worsening economic outlook in the next 12 months.
    There's no question there's been a move in opinion over the last month or so which has coincided at least in part with the local election campaign. That doesn't necessarily mean that the same thing would happen in a general election campaign, of course.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727

    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.

    You could have at least corrected the typo.
    But good stuff, admitting that the case for the Union has been an intellectual vacuum is startlingly honest.
    Trying to look smug, you just look like a place on Orkney.

    There is a very good reason independence failed. And you are the epitome.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,368

    Stark difference between using Mean or Median Poll Analysis

    11 Polls with fieldwork entirely in April

    LAB Ave. 44.45 (45,44,45,41,46,44,44,48,45,42,44)

    CON Ave 28.73 ( 28,27,30,30,26,30,30,25,30,28,32)

    LAB Lead 15.72

    Polls with fieldwork in previous 2 weeks (late March)

    LAB Ave. 46.63 (48,45,45,44,46,46,50,49)

    CON Ave. 26.25 (27,27,29,22,26,26,27,26)

    LAB Lead 18.38

    Reduction in LAB Lead 2.66

    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨

    Labour lead is fourteen in latest results from Deltapoll.

    Con 29% (+2)
    Lab 43% (-5)
    Lib Dem 10% (+1)
    Other 17% (-)
    Fieldwork: 13th - 17th April 2023

    Sample: 1,567 GB adults

    (Changes from 31st March - 3rd April 2023)
    That's a meaningful move and will be worrying for Labour.
    My base case is still that Labour gains a small majority at the next election, thanks to (a) a recovery in Scotland and (b) a worsening economic outlook in the next 12 months.
    The interesting thing is what is causing the move.

    Is it media activity including talk about campaign adverts? Or is the the impact of the local election campaign itself, as folks go out on the doorstep and voters have to get off the fence? My hunch is that it is the latter.

    It will be interesting to see how Labour responds to what was inevitable.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Irony meters being tested to destruction…..

    Colin Beattie MSP is also a member of the Public Audit Committee in the Scottish Parliament which has been pushing for greater transparency in public expenditure and in public life.

    https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1648275054814285824

    Mandy he’s also the chair of the Scottish Commission for Public Audit, which among other things appoints a qualified person to audit the accounts of Audit Scotland. It might be wise for him to step aside while this is ongoing.

    https://twitter.com/hughhenry_12/status/1648290404574404611
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 21,969
    Andy_JS said:

    "Deltapoll
    @DeltapollUK
    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨

    Lab 43% (-5)
    Con 29% (+2)
    Lib Dem 10% (+1)
    Other 17% (-)

    Fieldwork: 13th - 17th April 2023
    Sample: 1,567 GB adults
    (Changes from 31st March - 3rd April 2023)"

    https://twitter.com/DeltapollUK/status/1648244320703528960

    Gosh! Broken, sleazy Labour **REALLY** on the slide! :D
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    "The logic seems to be that if activists, doctors and journalists repeat “The evidence is great!” enough times, regardless of whether the evidence actually is great, the controversy will go away"

    https://twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1648285323493797890?s=20
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Westie said:

    So Dom didn't factor the possibility of Trump's facing such legal difficulties into the analysis of his US2024 "data"?

    Sure, 3% of this highly intelligently defined demographic or 5% of that one may switch to or away from Trump, but his chances aren't great in any state where he's not on the ballot paper. Ditto if he's in a state jail where no president can pardon him, so he'd have to show Kim Jong-un his skyscraper pics on Skype or Whatsapp. And several more criminal charges are likely to land home too.

    If circumstances do lead Trump back to the WH, though, one thing is for sure: he won't be choosing someone like Mike Pence as VP. Tom Cotton, more like.

    DJT will still need somebody from the Gilead wing of the GOP as his Veep to stitch his coalition together though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    edited April 2023
    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Chris said:

    Interesting story about the banning of a song produced by generative AI, trained to imitate the voices of particular singers:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65309313

    It's claimed that the training process violates copyright, which I can understand.

    But can it be claimed that the song itself violates copyright? If it had been produced by a very talented human mimic who had just sat and listened to other songs by these singers, I can't see how it would. Surely there's a difference between copyright being violated as part of the process of producing something, and that thing itself violating copyright?

    The record labels are getting their massive lawsuit in early, before the technology makes them totally redundant.
    I just hope* it goes before judges who are able to understand (with appropriate advice/education) the technology. One can't answer the question without understanding how you go from training material to the final output.

    *Im ever the optimist, clearly.
    The record labels are going down the route of saying that the AI companies don’t have permission to train AI using copywrited material, and the AI companies are going to argue that the inputs are fair use and the outputs non-infringing.

    It’s actually a genuinely new point of law that needs to be worked through, at least in the Western world. The Chinese will continue to do it their way.

    If the AI companies win, we’ll be very close to the AI taking five minutes to write 100,000 words, with the premise of the life and times of a high-living travelling dildo-making flint-knapper, in the style of a Tom Knox novel. And that really will be the end of the world!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,085
    Andy_JS said:

    "Young woman shot dead after her car pulled into wrong driveway in Hebron, New York State
    A man has been charged with murder after killing a young woman when her car pulled into the wrong driveway – just days after a similar incident saw a teenager shot after ringing the wrong doorbell."

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/young-woman-shot-dead-after-her-car-pulled-into-wrong-driveway-4108369

    Here I sit in England reading about an American shooting in a Scottish newspaper serving me Welsh-language adverts. And at the weekend it would have been a Russian troll who posted the link.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Dura_Ace said:

    Surely the answer is 'no' because the litigation wouldn't be concluded in time and it would eventually just end up in SCOTUS who would tell the plaintiffs to ram it.

    And for once, rightly so.

    While Trump's actions were blatantly illegal, they weren't insurrection.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314
    Andy_JS said:

    "Deltapoll
    @DeltapollUK
    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨

    Lab 43% (-5)
    Con 29% (+2)
    Lib Dem 10% (+1)
    Other 17% (-)

    Fieldwork: 13th - 17th April 2023
    Sample: 1,567 GB adults
    (Changes from 31st March - 3rd April 2023)"

    https://twitter.com/DeltapollUK/status/1648244320703528960

    Those gutter-level attack ads went well then!
  • Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Chris said:

    Interesting story about the banning of a song produced by generative AI, trained to imitate the voices of particular singers:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65309313

    It's claimed that the training process violates copyright, which I can understand.

    But can it be claimed that the song itself violates copyright? If it had been produced by a very talented human mimic who had just sat and listened to other songs by these singers, I can't see how it would. Surely there's a difference between copyright being violated as part of the process of producing something, and that thing itself violating copyright?

    The record labels are getting their massive lawsuit in early, before the technology makes them totally redundant.
    I just hope* it goes before judges who are able to understand (with appropriate advice/education) the technology. One can't answer the question without understanding how you go from training material to the final output.

    *Im ever the optimist, clearly.
    They’re going down the route of saying that they don’t have permission to train AI using copywrited material, and the AI companies are going to argue that the inputs are fair use and the outputs non-infringing.

    It’s actually a genuinely new point of law that needs to be worked through, at least in the Western world. The Chinese will continue to do it their way.

    If the AI companies win, we’ll be very close to the AI taking five minutes to write 100,000 words, with the premise of the life and times of a high-living travelling dildo-making flint-knapper, in the style of a Tom Knox novel. And that really will be the end of the world!
    The Chinese Government last week signalled they are introducing very tight controls for AI (no surprise there).
  • GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Deltapoll
    @DeltapollUK
    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨

    Lab 43% (-5)
    Con 29% (+2)
    Lib Dem 10% (+1)
    Other 17% (-)

    Fieldwork: 13th - 17th April 2023
    Sample: 1,567 GB adults
    (Changes from 31st March - 3rd April 2023)"

    https://twitter.com/DeltapollUK/status/1648244320703528960

    Gosh! Broken, sleazy Labour **REALLY** on the slide! :D
    SKS will even more look like he has severe constipation after that poll.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Turning to party leaders, net approval for the Prime Minister has increased by eleven points over the last 2 weeks.

    Net approval for the Leader of the Opposition has decreased by two points over the same period.




    https://twitter.com/DeltapollUK/status/1648244325099216898?s=20

    Our historical leadership approval tracker shows that the gap between net approval for @RishiSunak and @Keir_Starmer has narrowed from fifteen points, 2 weeks ago, to two points this week.

    https://twitter.com/DeltapollUK/status/1648244327473192965?s=20
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,503

    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.

    You could have at least corrected the typo.
    But good stuff, admitting that the case for the Union has been an intellectual vacuum is startlingly honest.
    Trying to look smug, you just look like a place on Orkney.

    There is a very good reason independence failed. And you are the epitome.

    Despite your portentous 'insights', fuck all to do with you either way of course.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,544
    Driver said:

    Stark difference between using Mean or Median Poll Analysis

    11 Polls with fieldwork entirely in April

    LAB Ave. 44.45 (45,44,45,41,46,44,44,48,45,42,44)

    CON Ave 28.73 ( 28,27,30,30,26,30,30,25,30,28,32)

    LAB Lead 15.72

    Polls with fieldwork in previous 2 weeks (late March)

    LAB Ave. 46.63 (48,45,45,44,46,46,50,49)

    CON Ave. 26.25 (27,27,29,22,26,26,27,26)

    LAB Lead 18.38

    Reduction in LAB Lead 2.66

    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨

    Labour lead is fourteen in latest results from Deltapoll.

    Con 29% (+2)
    Lab 43% (-5)
    Lib Dem 10% (+1)
    Other 17% (-)
    Fieldwork: 13th - 17th April 2023

    Sample: 1,567 GB adults

    (Changes from 31st March - 3rd April 2023)
    That's a meaningful move and will be worrying for Labour.
    My base case is still that Labour gains a small majority at the next election, thanks to (a) a recovery in Scotland and (b) a worsening economic outlook in the next 12 months.
    There's no question there's been a move in opinion over the last month or so which has coincided at least in part with the local election campaign. That doesn't necessarily mean that the same thing would happen in a general election campaign, of course.
    Do any polling companies break down results by whether there is a local election happening or not? The elections are mostly happening in Tory heartlands IIRC which could be having a differential impact in terms of firming up Tory support vs other parties.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,256
    Jonathan said:

    Stark difference between using Mean or Median Poll Analysis

    11 Polls with fieldwork entirely in April

    LAB Ave. 44.45 (45,44,45,41,46,44,44,48,45,42,44)

    CON Ave 28.73 ( 28,27,30,30,26,30,30,25,30,28,32)

    LAB Lead 15.72

    Polls with fieldwork in previous 2 weeks (late March)

    LAB Ave. 46.63 (48,45,45,44,46,46,50,49)

    CON Ave. 26.25 (27,27,29,22,26,26,27,26)

    LAB Lead 18.38

    Reduction in LAB Lead 2.66

    🚨🚨New Voting Intention🚨🚨

    Labour lead is fourteen in latest results from Deltapoll.

    Con 29% (+2)
    Lab 43% (-5)
    Lib Dem 10% (+1)
    Other 17% (-)
    Fieldwork: 13th - 17th April 2023

    Sample: 1,567 GB adults

    (Changes from 31st March - 3rd April 2023)
    That's a meaningful move and will be worrying for Labour.
    My base case is still that Labour gains a small majority at the next election, thanks to (a) a recovery in Scotland and (b) a worsening economic outlook in the next 12 months.
    The interesting thing is what is causing the move.

    Is it media activity including talk about campaign adverts? Or is the the impact of the local election campaign itself, as folks go out on the doorstep and voters have to get off the fence? My hunch is that it is the latter.

    It will be interesting to see how Labour responds to what was inevitable.
    I think it's the local elections too. A lot of the electorate is probably having a serious think about who they actually would vote for if there was a GE around the corner.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Dura_Ace said:

    Surely the answer is 'no' because the litigation wouldn't be concluded in time and it would eventually just end up in SCOTUS who would tell the plaintiffs to ram it.

    And for once, rightly so.
    eristdoof said:

    Prosecuting Trump for things like dodgy accounting in presidential campaign is appropriate, no-one is above the law. But deliberate targetting of Trump using Laws specifically written for mid 19th C. post civil war USA, will just make the Trump claims of a Witch Hunt believable.

    The Supreme Court are big fans of mid 19th C (and earlier) laws.
    It's just that this one doesn't apply to the circumstances.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,314

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Sandpit said:

    Chris said:

    Interesting story about the banning of a song produced by generative AI, trained to imitate the voices of particular singers:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65309313

    It's claimed that the training process violates copyright, which I can understand.

    But can it be claimed that the song itself violates copyright? If it had been produced by a very talented human mimic who had just sat and listened to other songs by these singers, I can't see how it would. Surely there's a difference between copyright being violated as part of the process of producing something, and that thing itself violating copyright?

    The record labels are getting their massive lawsuit in early, before the technology makes them totally redundant.
    I just hope* it goes before judges who are able to understand (with appropriate advice/education) the technology. One can't answer the question without understanding how you go from training material to the final output.

    *Im ever the optimist, clearly.
    They’re going down the route of saying that they don’t have permission to train AI using copywrited material, and the AI companies are going to argue that the inputs are fair use and the outputs non-infringing.

    It’s actually a genuinely new point of law that needs to be worked through, at least in the Western world. The Chinese will continue to do it their way.

    If the AI companies win, we’ll be very close to the AI taking five minutes to write 100,000 words, with the premise of the life and times of a high-living travelling dildo-making flint-knapper, in the style of a Tom Knox novel. And that really will be the end of the world!
    The Chinese Government last week signalled they are introducing very tight controls for AI (no surprise there).
    Very tight controls, in their own way.

    It will be fine to make Eminem sing a Taylor Swift song in the style of Motley Crue, but it won’t be allowed to make Winnie The Pooh cartoons about visiting the Forbidden City.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Dura_Ace said:

    Westie said:

    So Dom didn't factor the possibility of Trump's facing such legal difficulties into the analysis of his US2024 "data"?

    Sure, 3% of this highly intelligently defined demographic or 5% of that one may switch to or away from Trump, but his chances aren't great in any state where he's not on the ballot paper. Ditto if he's in a state jail where no president can pardon him, so he'd have to show Kim Jong-un his skyscraper pics on Skype or Whatsapp. And several more criminal charges are likely to land home too.

    If circumstances do lead Trump back to the WH, though, one thing is for sure: he won't be choosing someone like Mike Pence as VP. Tom Cotton, more like.

    DJT will still need somebody from the Gilead wing of the GOP as his Veep to stitch his coalition together though.
    They're on board anyway.
    He needs someone marginally more plausible to 'moderate' Republicans and 'independents'.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,358
    edited April 2023
    When the SNP entered government in May 2007 the iPhone wasn't yet available to buy in the UK. That's how long they've been in office.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,420
    Westie said:

    So Dom didn't factor the possibility of Trump's facing such legal difficulties into the analysis of his US2024 "data"?

    Sure, 3% of this highly intelligently defined demographic or 5% of that one may switch to or away from Trump, but his chances aren't great in any state where he's not on the ballot paper. Ditto if he's in a state jail where no president can pardon him, so he'd have to show Kim Jong-un his skyscraper pics on Skype or Whatsapp. And several more criminal charges are likely to land home too.

    If circumstances do lead Trump back to the WH, though, one thing is for sure: he won't be choosing someone like Mike Pence as VP. Tom Cotton, more like.

    Absent an actual conviction, trying to get Trump off the ballot paper won't work.

    If nothing else, it will be appealed to the Supreme Court, and as @Dura_Ace pointed out, they will rule he should be on the ballot.

    Given the speed at which the American justice system works, even if he is charged now, the chances of a conviction before polling day are zero.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,368
    Andy_JS said:

    When the SNP entered government in May 2007 the iPhone wasn't yet available to buy in the UK. That's how long they've been in charge.

    No wonder people or tired of them. Like the Tories who date around the time of the first iPad. Time flies.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Westie said:

    So Dom didn't factor the possibility of Trump's facing such legal difficulties into the analysis of his US2024 "data"?

    Sure, 3% of this highly intelligently defined demographic or 5% of that one may switch to or away from Trump, but his chances aren't great in any state where he's not on the ballot paper. Ditto if he's in a state jail where no president can pardon him, so he'd have to show Kim Jong-un his skyscraper pics on Skype or Whatsapp. And several more criminal charges are likely to land home too.

    If circumstances do lead Trump back to the WH, though, one thing is for sure: he won't be choosing someone like Mike Pence as VP. Tom Cotton, more like.

    DJT will still need somebody from the Gilead wing of the GOP as his Veep to stitch his coalition together though.
    Still view a Trump-RDS ticket as the most likely outcome.

    Case for it was made yesterday. Deals with the supposed legal obstacles too

    https://spectator.org/a-trump-desantis-ticket-can-win-in-2024/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757
    Andy_JS said:

    "Young woman shot dead after her car pulled into wrong driveway in Hebron, New York State
    A man has been charged with murder after killing a young woman when her car pulled into the wrong driveway – just days after a similar incident saw a teenager shot after ringing the wrong doorbell."

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/young-woman-shot-dead-after-her-car-pulled-into-wrong-driveway-4108369

    Not a stand your ground law state, so the fncker might do jail time.
  • First, after restart.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,139
    Segundo como el donaldo!
  • Ugh, rubber bullets for these soap dodgers. Also pass emergency legislation, three strikes and you're jailed for 30 years.

    Around 30,000 people are expected in central London from Friday for the biggest climate change protest in years, raising the prospect of disruption for the London marathon.

    Extinction Rebellion, which announced in January that it was “quitting” demonstrations that affected the general public, said it did not intend the event to be disruptive like its 2019 protest in the capital, which led to more than a thousand arrests and saw a pink boat occupying Oxford Circus.

    However, Just Stop Oil, a separate group with similar objectives, refused to rule out disrupting the marathon and said it expected many of its supporters to be there.

    The group said: “We will continue to disrupt sports and cultural events until the institutions join us in civil resistance against new oil and gas. We don’t answer questions about our plans. That’s irrelevant when we face crop failure, drought and starvation within a few short decades.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/xr-calls-30-000-protesters-to-london-on-weekend-of-marathon-cs7vcqfrv
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627
    There are more threads coming and going than there are Yousaf relaunches.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157
    malcolmg said:

    Cookie said:

    That last thread didn't last for long?

    Yes some lowlife dragged it down bigtime
    That is the most self-aware thing I have ever seen you post.
  • Well.

    Cash will become less useable as high street shops increasingly reject bank notes because of the rise in digital payments, a senior Bank of England official has said.

    It will become harder to spend physical money in the coming years because contactless payments are on the rise and consumers are increasingly turning to the internet for purchases, according to Sir Jon Cunliffe, a deputy governor at the central bank and a member of its rate-setting committee.

    The shift away from physical cash to electronic payments has been very clear and is set to continue, he said, adding that the Bank should continue to develop an electronic version of the currency, known as the “digital pound”, to maintain confidence in the country’s banking system.

    “Cash is likely to decline further and cash itself will become less useable in everyday transactions; for example, if internet commerce grows and if merchants increasingly accept only digital payment,” Cunliffe told the Innovate Finance Global Summit yesterday.

    Card payments overtook cash to become the most dominant form of payment in the retail sector in 2016. Five years later, 85 per cent of payments were made digitally, via bank transfers or card payments. Ninety per cent of people use contactless payments and nearly a third of adults in the UK use Apple Pay, Google Pay or other apps that facilitate mobile payments.

    Cunliffe said: “Most obviously, what I have called the digitalisation of everyday life will continue. The growth of internet commerce or use of banking and payments apps, for example, is forecast to grow and unlikely to stop.”

    The Bank has said it will continue to issue cash as long as there is any demand for it.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cash-is-no-longer-king-and-will-become-less-useable-in-future-says-bank-5rrqz2zk9
  • ydoethur said:

    There are more threads coming and going than there are Yousaf relaunches.

    I blame the SNP and Donald Trump, two cheeks of the same financial dodgy arse.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157

    ydoethur said:

    There are more threads coming and going than there are Yousaf relaunches.

    I blame the SNP and Donald Trump, two cheeks of the same financial dodgy arse.
    Two cheeks of the same lying populist arse.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    The Humzafuck that is the SNP is the only thing preventing me from committing suicide due to the weather
  • This is why we have to keep on backing Ukraine and see Russia lose, the Russians cannot be rewarded for this.

    Two former Russian mercenaries have admitted killing hundreds of Ukrainian civilians, including dozens of children who were sheltering in a basement in eastern Ukraine.

    Alexey Savichev and Azamat Uldarov told a Russian human rights activist that they had been recruited from Russian prisons to fight in Ukraine for the Wagner Group, the private military company that is headed by Yevgeny Prigozhin, a Kremlin-linked tycoon.

    Uldarov, who appeared to have been drinking, said that in one incident, he and his fellow mercenaries massacred between 300 and 400 people, including about 40 children, who had taken refuge in the basement of a nine-floor block of flats in Bakhmut, the town in the Donbas region which has seen some of the heaviest fighting of the war.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wagner-group-mercenaries-admit-killing-40-children-in-bakhmut-0903w6zx7
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157

    Ugh, rubber bullets for these soap dodgers. Also pass emergency legislation, three strikes and you're jailed for 30 years.

    Around 30,000 people are expected in central London from Friday for the biggest climate change protest in years, raising the prospect of disruption for the London marathon.

    Extinction Rebellion, which announced in January that it was “quitting” demonstrations that affected the general public, said it did not intend the event to be disruptive like its 2019 protest in the capital, which led to more than a thousand arrests and saw a pink boat occupying Oxford Circus.

    However, Just Stop Oil, a separate group with similar objectives, refused to rule out disrupting the marathon and said it expected many of its supporters to be there.

    The group said: “We will continue to disrupt sports and cultural events until the institutions join us in civil resistance against new oil and gas. We don’t answer questions about our plans. That’s irrelevant when we face crop failure, drought and starvation within a few short decades.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/xr-calls-30-000-protesters-to-london-on-weekend-of-marathon-cs7vcqfrv

    Twats
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    Can we pick a thread and stick to it?

    Thankee
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,727

    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.

    You could have at least corrected the typo.
    But good stuff, admitting that the case for the Union has been an intellectual vacuum is startlingly honest.
    Trying to look smug, you just look like a place on Orkney.

    There is a very good reason independence failed. And you are the epitome.

    Despite your portentous 'insights', fuck all to do with you either way of course.
    Typical offensive posting from you. There is never anything else.

    This is a betting site. My portentous "insights" were in line with the SNP losing the referendum.

    Badly.

    I hope you bet accordingly.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,627

    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.

    You could have at least corrected the typo.
    But good stuff, admitting that the case for the Union has been an intellectual vacuum is startlingly honest.
    Trying to look smug, you just look like a place on Orkney.

    There is a very good reason independence failed. And you are the epitome.

    Despite your portentous 'insights', fuck all to do with you either way of course.
    Typical offensive posting from you. There is never anything else.

    This is a betting site. My portentous "insights" were in line with the SNP losing the referendum.

    Badly.

    I hope you bet accordingly.
    Most of us bet money.

    Although Anabobazina and TSE will tell us only to pay on our credit cards.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,139

    Ugh, rubber bullets for these soap dodgers. Also pass emergency legislation, three strikes and you're jailed for 30 years.

    Around 30,000 people are expected in central London from Friday for the biggest climate change protest in years, raising the prospect of disruption for the London marathon.

    Extinction Rebellion, which announced in January that it was “quitting” demonstrations that affected the general public, said it did not intend the event to be disruptive like its 2019 protest in the capital, which led to more than a thousand arrests and saw a pink boat occupying Oxford Circus.

    However, Just Stop Oil, a separate group with similar objectives, refused to rule out disrupting the marathon and said it expected many of its supporters to be there.

    The group said: “We will continue to disrupt sports and cultural events until the institutions join us in civil resistance against new oil and gas. We don’t answer questions about our plans. That’s irrelevant when we face crop failure, drought and starvation within a few short decades.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/xr-calls-30-000-protesters-to-london-on-weekend-of-marathon-cs7vcqfrv

    I do find it hilarious how Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion and Animal Rising - all, I presume, formed of very similar people who all know (and hate) each other well - have these petty competitions with each other.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.

    You could have at least corrected the typo.
    But good stuff, admitting that the case for the Union has been an intellectual vacuum is startlingly honest.
    Trying to look smug, you just look like a place on Orkney.

    There is a very good reason independence failed. And you are the epitome.

    Despite your portentous 'insights', fuck all to do with you either way of course.
    Typical offensive posting from you. There is never anything else.

    This is a betting site. My portentous "insights" were in line with the SNP losing the referendum.

    Badly.

    I hope you bet accordingly.
    The catastrofuck that is the SNP As Of This Moment seems to have robbed @Theuniondivvie of his trenchant wit, leaving behind only the pungent bile. It is a sad and unpretty spectacle
  • ydoethur said:

    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.

    You could have at least corrected the typo.
    But good stuff, admitting that the case for the Union has been an intellectual vacuum is startlingly honest.
    Trying to look smug, you just look like a place on Orkney.

    There is a very good reason independence failed. And you are the epitome.

    Despite your portentous 'insights', fuck all to do with you either way of course.
    Typical offensive posting from you. There is never anything else.

    This is a betting site. My portentous "insights" were in line with the SNP losing the referendum.

    Badly.

    I hope you bet accordingly.
    Most of us bet money.

    Although Anabobazina and TSE will tell us only to pay on our credit cards.
    Debit cards.

    Never gamble using a credit card as the bank see it as a cash advance and charge you a 3% cash advance fee and 59.9% APR.

    Mind you, you can only gamble with debit cards these days.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157

    Ugh, rubber bullets for these soap dodgers. Also pass emergency legislation, three strikes and you're jailed for 30 years.

    Around 30,000 people are expected in central London from Friday for the biggest climate change protest in years, raising the prospect of disruption for the London marathon.

    Extinction Rebellion, which announced in January that it was “quitting” demonstrations that affected the general public, said it did not intend the event to be disruptive like its 2019 protest in the capital, which led to more than a thousand arrests and saw a pink boat occupying Oxford Circus.

    However, Just Stop Oil, a separate group with similar objectives, refused to rule out disrupting the marathon and said it expected many of its supporters to be there.

    The group said: “We will continue to disrupt sports and cultural events until the institutions join us in civil resistance against new oil and gas. We don’t answer questions about our plans. That’s irrelevant when we face crop failure, drought and starvation within a few short decades.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/xr-calls-30-000-protesters-to-london-on-weekend-of-marathon-cs7vcqfrv

    I do find it hilarious how Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion and Animal Rising - all, I presume, formed of very similar people who all know (and hate) each other well - have these petty competitions with each other.
    Animal Rising sounds like an esoteric porn site
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,228
    Chris said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Has anyone heard of the scanning electoral microscope that ChatGPT seems to have invented in this discussion of the 1997 General Election?


    Has it really picked this term up as an occasional error for "scanning electron microscope" and let its imagination run riot?
    I think this is a classic example of the dangers of not starting fresh sessions when you want to go onto a new topic.

    I had asked it earlier about who invented the Scanning Electron Microscope then without starting a new chat, asked it about the 1997 General Election.

    And it decided to combine the two.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,258
    I can't cope with 2 active threads. Maybe if I were 10 years younger.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,040

    Ugh, rubber bullets for these soap dodgers. Also pass emergency legislation, three strikes and you're jailed for 30 years.

    Around 30,000 people are expected in central London from Friday for the biggest climate change protest in years, raising the prospect of disruption for the London marathon.

    Extinction Rebellion, which announced in January that it was “quitting” demonstrations that affected the general public, said it did not intend the event to be disruptive like its 2019 protest in the capital, which led to more than a thousand arrests and saw a pink boat occupying Oxford Circus.

    However, Just Stop Oil, a separate group with similar objectives, refused to rule out disrupting the marathon and said it expected many of its supporters to be there.

    The group said: “We will continue to disrupt sports and cultural events until the institutions join us in civil resistance against new oil and gas. We don’t answer questions about our plans. That’s irrelevant when we face crop failure, drought and starvation within a few short decades.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/xr-calls-30-000-protesters-to-london-on-weekend-of-marathon-cs7vcqfrv

    I do find it hilarious how Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion and Animal Rising - all, I presume, formed of very similar people who all know (and hate) each other well - have these petty competitions with each other.
    Animal Rising sounds like an esoteric porn site
    Really? Why? What have I missed in my journey through life?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157

    Ugh, rubber bullets for these soap dodgers. Also pass emergency legislation, three strikes and you're jailed for 30 years.

    Around 30,000 people are expected in central London from Friday for the biggest climate change protest in years, raising the prospect of disruption for the London marathon.

    Extinction Rebellion, which announced in January that it was “quitting” demonstrations that affected the general public, said it did not intend the event to be disruptive like its 2019 protest in the capital, which led to more than a thousand arrests and saw a pink boat occupying Oxford Circus.

    However, Just Stop Oil, a separate group with similar objectives, refused to rule out disrupting the marathon and said it expected many of its supporters to be there.

    The group said: “We will continue to disrupt sports and cultural events until the institutions join us in civil resistance against new oil and gas. We don’t answer questions about our plans. That’s irrelevant when we face crop failure, drought and starvation within a few short decades.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/xr-calls-30-000-protesters-to-london-on-weekend-of-marathon-cs7vcqfrv

    I do find it hilarious how Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion and Animal Rising - all, I presume, formed of very similar people who all know (and hate) each other well - have these petty competitions with each other.
    Animal Rising sounds like an esoteric porn site
    Really? Why? What have I missed in my journey through life?
    OKC - you would have to have a mind that is as filthy as mine.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,040

    Ugh, rubber bullets for these soap dodgers. Also pass emergency legislation, three strikes and you're jailed for 30 years.

    Around 30,000 people are expected in central London from Friday for the biggest climate change protest in years, raising the prospect of disruption for the London marathon.

    Extinction Rebellion, which announced in January that it was “quitting” demonstrations that affected the general public, said it did not intend the event to be disruptive like its 2019 protest in the capital, which led to more than a thousand arrests and saw a pink boat occupying Oxford Circus.

    However, Just Stop Oil, a separate group with similar objectives, refused to rule out disrupting the marathon and said it expected many of its supporters to be there.

    The group said: “We will continue to disrupt sports and cultural events until the institutions join us in civil resistance against new oil and gas. We don’t answer questions about our plans. That’s irrelevant when we face crop failure, drought and starvation within a few short decades.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/xr-calls-30-000-protesters-to-london-on-weekend-of-marathon-cs7vcqfrv

    I do find it hilarious how Just Stop Oil, Extinction Rebellion and Animal Rising - all, I presume, formed of very similar people who all know (and hate) each other well - have these petty competitions with each other.
    Animal Rising sounds like an esoteric porn site
    Really? Why? What have I missed in my journey through life?
    OKC - you would have to have a mind that is as filthy as mine.
    Perhaps I’ve forgotten! A lot of water has flowed under my bridges!
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157
    Very quiet in here. I guess the normally bombastic Nats have gone off in a collective sulk. Lol.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157
    Leon said:

    FP(very short)T

    But there must now be a significant proportion of the Yes vote in 2014 thinking that if independence had happened in 2014, the current clown troupe would have trashed Scotland.

    Independence still maybe - but with some serious intellectual heft first. Those able to make a case for how Scotland responds to issues like currency, pensions, head of state - they seem to be in awfully short supply.

    This might be an interesting time for Sunak to set up a Royal Commission into Scottish independence, to examine in forensic detail exactly how Scotland might look post independence - and the difficult choices the Scots (and rUK) might have to make.

    The SNP have got away with forcing the case in an in intellectual vacuum.

    You could have at least corrected the typo.
    But good stuff, admitting that the case for the Union has been an intellectual vacuum is startlingly honest.
    Trying to look smug, you just look like a place on Orkney.

    There is a very good reason independence failed. And you are the epitome.

    Despite your portentous 'insights', fuck all to do with you either way of course.
    Typical offensive posting from you. There is never anything else.

    This is a betting site. My portentous "insights" were in line with the SNP losing the referendum.

    Badly.

    I hope you bet accordingly.
    The catastrofuck that is the SNP As Of This Moment seems to have robbed @Theuniondivvie of his trenchant wit, leaving behind only the pungent bile. It is a sad and unpretty spectacle
    I never really noticed anything other than the pungent bile. Pungent bile is the base and dominant material that nats are made from.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,358
    @YouGov
    54s
    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (12-13 April)

    Con: 27% (no change from 5-6 Apr)
    Lab: 45% (+1)
    Lib Dem: 10% (+1)
    Green: 5% (-2)
    Reform UK: 6% (=)
    SNP: 3% (-1)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,025
    rcs1000 said:

    Chris said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Has anyone heard of the scanning electoral microscope that ChatGPT seems to have invented in this discussion of the 1997 General Election?


    Has it really picked this term up as an occasional error for "scanning electron microscope" and let its imagination run riot?
    I think this is a classic example of the dangers of not starting fresh sessions when you want to go onto a new topic.

    I had asked it earlier about who invented the Scanning Electron Microscope then without starting a new chat, asked it about the 1997 General Election.

    And it decided to combine the two.
    Though you can't really use this to identify essays written by AI. When I was an undergraduate writing an essay at 3am for a midday deadline it's quite conceivable that my brain would have invented such a thing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,003
    It is possible opponents of Trump could win a court case to bar him from the ballot under s3 of the US constitution for the insurrection in supportif him in Jan 2021. However
    the reaction amongst his supporters if he were barred from the ballot might be concerning
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,040
    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov
    54s
    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (12-13 April)

    Con: 27% (no change from 5-6 Apr)
    Lab: 45% (+1)
    Lib Dem: 10% (+1)
    Green: 5% (-2)
    Reform UK: 6% (=)
    SNP: 3% (-1)

    I’d really like to see a Scottish poll. Could Alba be in double figures?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    Very quiet in here. I guess the normally bombastic Nats have gone off in a collective sulk. Lol.

    Having two threads going at once doesn't help debate
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,040
    HYUFD said:

    It is possible opponents of Trump could win a court case to bar him from the ballot under s3 of the US constitution for the insurrection in supportif him in Jan 2021. However
    the reaction amongst his supporters if he were barred from the ballot might be concerning

    The cases are State by State AIUI. So he could be barred from the ballot in Georgia but not Alabama.
    For example.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,135

    HYUFD said:

    It is possible opponents of Trump could win a court case to bar him from the ballot under s3 of the US constitution for the insurrection in supportif him in Jan 2021. However
    the reaction amongst his supporters if he were barred from the ballot might be concerning

    The cases are State by State AIUI. So he could be barred from the ballot in Georgia but not Alabama.
    For example.
    Would be quite ironic if he only lost because of an extreme interpretation of states rights......
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Apparently the Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov
    54s
    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (12-13 April)

    Con: 27% (no change from 5-6 Apr)
    Lab: 45% (+1)
    Lib Dem: 10% (+1)
    Green: 5% (-2)
    Reform UK: 6% (=)
    SNP: 3% (-1)

    I’d really like to see a Scottish poll. Could Alba be in double figures?
    Let us hope not. A party founded and led by a man described by his defence barrister as a "bully and a sex pest" should be destined for oblivion in any civilised country.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Apparently the Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    -18 sounds a little chilly.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157
    Leon said:

    Very quiet in here. I guess the normally bombastic Nats have gone off in a collective sulk. Lol.

    Having two threads going at once doesn't help debate
    Hang on - I'll have a peek at the other one....
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,687
    rcs1000 said:

    Chris said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Has anyone heard of the scanning electoral microscope that ChatGPT seems to have invented in this discussion of the 1997 General Election?


    Has it really picked this term up as an occasional error for "scanning electron microscope" and let its imagination run riot?
    I think this is a classic example of the dangers of not starting fresh sessions when you want to go onto a new topic.

    I had asked it earlier about who invented the Scanning Electron Microscope then without starting a new chat, asked it about the 1997 General Election.

    And it decided to combine the two.
    That's quite interesting.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157
    edited April 2023
    Leon said:

    Very quiet in here. I guess the normally bombastic Nats have gone off in a collective sulk. Lol.

    Having two threads going at once doesn't help debate
    Had a look over there and they are quiet on that one too. Malcolm is still trying to think of an abusive response to my post at 5:02 that doesn't take too long to type using one finger.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,040

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov
    54s
    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (12-13 April)

    Con: 27% (no change from 5-6 Apr)
    Lab: 45% (+1)
    Lib Dem: 10% (+1)
    Green: 5% (-2)
    Reform UK: 6% (=)
    SNP: 3% (-1)

    I’d really like to see a Scottish poll. Could Alba be in double figures?
    Let us hope not. A party founded and led by a man described by his defence barrister as a "bully and a sex pest" should be destined for oblivion in any civilised country.
    I can’t recall who founded the Tories, but I understand Bozo says ‘Hi’!
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov
    54s
    Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (12-13 April)

    Con: 27% (no change from 5-6 Apr)
    Lab: 45% (+1)
    Lib Dem: 10% (+1)
    Green: 5% (-2)
    Reform UK: 6% (=)
    SNP: 3% (-1)

    I’d really like to see a Scottish poll. Could Alba be in double figures?
    Let us hope not. A party founded and led by a man described by his defence barrister as a "bully and a sex pest" should be destined for oblivion in any civilised country.
    I can’t recall who founded the Tories, but I understand Bozo says ‘Hi’!
    As you may have observed, I was/am not a fan of that fat buffoon either. Two cheeks and all that.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,085

    Well.

    Cash will become less useable as high street shops increasingly reject bank notes because of the rise in digital payments, a senior Bank of England official has said.

    It will become harder to spend physical money in the coming years because contactless payments are on the rise and consumers are increasingly turning to the internet for purchases, according to Sir Jon Cunliffe, a deputy governor at the central bank and a member of its rate-setting committee.

    The shift away from physical cash to electronic payments has been very clear and is set to continue, he said, adding that the Bank should continue to develop an electronic version of the currency, known as the “digital pound”, to maintain confidence in the country’s banking system.

    “Cash is likely to decline further and cash itself will become less useable in everyday transactions; for example, if internet commerce grows and if merchants increasingly accept only digital payment,” Cunliffe told the Innovate Finance Global Summit yesterday.

    Card payments overtook cash to become the most dominant form of payment in the retail sector in 2016. Five years later, 85 per cent of payments were made digitally, via bank transfers or card payments. Ninety per cent of people use contactless payments and nearly a third of adults in the UK use Apple Pay, Google Pay or other apps that facilitate mobile payments.

    Cunliffe said: “Most obviously, what I have called the digitalisation of everyday life will continue. The growth of internet commerce or use of banking and payments apps, for example, is forecast to grow and unlikely to stop.”

    The Bank has said it will continue to issue cash as long as there is any demand for it.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cash-is-no-longer-king-and-will-become-less-useable-in-future-says-bank-5rrqz2zk9

    A friend got scammed at an ATM at the weekend and his cards were stopped by the bank. Until they are replaced, he can only buy things with cash. Is the Bank of England proposing to eliminate crime before it eliminates cash?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,085
    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Do you need a new thermometer or is 8 the overnight low?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,258
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Apparently the Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    It was nice yesterday though. I got 9 holes in.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 53,240

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Do you need a new thermometer or is 8 the overnight low?
    That's what it is now in NW1. 8C with a chilly wind, so it feels considerably colder. Not a peep of sun. Grim
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,157
    Colin Beattie's house in Dalkeith looks very nice.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,228

    Well.

    Cash will become less useable as high street shops increasingly reject bank notes because of the rise in digital payments, a senior Bank of England official has said.

    It will become harder to spend physical money in the coming years because contactless payments are on the rise and consumers are increasingly turning to the internet for purchases, according to Sir Jon Cunliffe, a deputy governor at the central bank and a member of its rate-setting committee.

    The shift away from physical cash to electronic payments has been very clear and is set to continue, he said, adding that the Bank should continue to develop an electronic version of the currency, known as the “digital pound”, to maintain confidence in the country’s banking system.

    “Cash is likely to decline further and cash itself will become less useable in everyday transactions; for example, if internet commerce grows and if merchants increasingly accept only digital payment,” Cunliffe told the Innovate Finance Global Summit yesterday.

    Card payments overtook cash to become the most dominant form of payment in the retail sector in 2016. Five years later, 85 per cent of payments were made digitally, via bank transfers or card payments. Ninety per cent of people use contactless payments and nearly a third of adults in the UK use Apple Pay, Google Pay or other apps that facilitate mobile payments.

    Cunliffe said: “Most obviously, what I have called the digitalisation of everyday life will continue. The growth of internet commerce or use of banking and payments apps, for example, is forecast to grow and unlikely to stop.”

    The Bank has said it will continue to issue cash as long as there is any demand for it.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cash-is-no-longer-king-and-will-become-less-useable-in-future-says-bank-5rrqz2zk9

    A friend got scammed at an ATM at the weekend and his cards were stopped by the bank. Until they are replaced, he can only buy things with cash. Is the Bank of England proposing to eliminate crime before it eliminates cash?
    That's why you should always have two separate identities, so you always have one that still works and has access to bank accounts.

    Plus, this way you get to access to two tax free personal allowances.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    It's probably the nicest day of the year so far here in Ayrshire. If that helps.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,757

    This is why we have to keep on backing Ukraine and see Russia lose, the Russians cannot be rewarded for this.

    Two former Russian mercenaries have admitted killing hundreds of Ukrainian civilians, including dozens of children who were sheltering in a basement in eastern Ukraine.

    Alexey Savichev and Azamat Uldarov told a Russian human rights activist that they had been recruited from Russian prisons to fight in Ukraine for the Wagner Group, the private military company that is headed by Yevgeny Prigozhin, a Kremlin-linked tycoon.

    Uldarov, who appeared to have been drinking, said that in one incident, he and his fellow mercenaries massacred between 300 and 400 people, including about 40 children, who had taken refuge in the basement of a nine-floor block of flats in Bakhmut, the town in the Donbas region which has seen some of the heaviest fighting of the war.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wagner-group-mercenaries-admit-killing-40-children-in-bakhmut-0903w6zx7

    I posted that yesterday.
    It’s NAZI levels of repulsive brutality.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,159

    Well.

    Cash will become less useable as high street shops increasingly reject bank notes because of the rise in digital payments, a senior Bank of England official has said.

    It will become harder to spend physical money in the coming years because contactless payments are on the rise and consumers are increasingly turning to the internet for purchases, according to Sir Jon Cunliffe, a deputy governor at the central bank and a member of its rate-setting committee.

    The shift away from physical cash to electronic payments has been very clear and is set to continue, he said, adding that the Bank should continue to develop an electronic version of the currency, known as the “digital pound”, to maintain confidence in the country’s banking system.

    “Cash is likely to decline further and cash itself will become less useable in everyday transactions; for example, if internet commerce grows and if merchants increasingly accept only digital payment,” Cunliffe told the Innovate Finance Global Summit yesterday.

    Card payments overtook cash to become the most dominant form of payment in the retail sector in 2016. Five years later, 85 per cent of payments were made digitally, via bank transfers or card payments. Ninety per cent of people use contactless payments and nearly a third of adults in the UK use Apple Pay, Google Pay or other apps that facilitate mobile payments.

    Cunliffe said: “Most obviously, what I have called the digitalisation of everyday life will continue. The growth of internet commerce or use of banking and payments apps, for example, is forecast to grow and unlikely to stop.”

    The Bank has said it will continue to issue cash as long as there is any demand for it.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cash-is-no-longer-king-and-will-become-less-useable-in-future-says-bank-5rrqz2zk9

    A friend got scammed at an ATM at the weekend and his cards were stopped by the bank. Until they are replaced, he can only buy things with cash. Is the Bank of England proposing to eliminate crime before it eliminates cash?
    Everyone should have a backup debit or credit card they keep at home.
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