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  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    Oops! Here's that table of life expectancies, by American state: https://247wallst.com/state/heres-how-life-expectancy-in-north-dakota-compares-to-the-nation/
  • CitrusCitrus Posts: 27
    kle4 said:

    One of the details that came out of the Dominion stuff which just boggles my mind is how angry and upset the viewers of Fox were, and therefore how desperate to appease them the network was, about them calling Arizona for Biden, correctly as it turns out.

    Yes, it shows that a large part of the audience was already buying into claims there was no way Biden could legitimately have won the state, but what is there even to be mad at Fox in that scenario? It had no impact on how the race was counted. All they said was they were calculating the outcome based on the votes as announced up to that point - and that doesn't actually contradict a 'steal' narrative as viewers could have gone 'well of course it's called for Biden, because the Dems are rigging it!'

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65305979

    A lot of the steal argument is based on the way counting suddenly stopped at around 3am in some of the key states.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    "Haud yer wheesht" is the correct terminology. But far better to leave this to the professionals.
    (hwiːʃ ) or wheesht (hwiːʃt ) Scottish. exclamation. 1. a plea or demand for silence; hush. verb.
    Yes. As in "wheesht!" = shut up. I've never seen it employed as a transitive verb though. "Haud yer wheesht" is the phrase usually used. Against stiff competition I would say that innapropriate use of Scottish terminology is your most annoying habit!
    Incredibly stiff competition but I'm going to have to disagree.

    Constantly saying the Spectator is "intellectually high powered".

    This makes me grind my teeth and sometimes even log off.
    That's because your response to any cogent intellectual argument from the other side is to just pompously dismiss them as a 'reactionary' and move on.

    I suppose it's easier than dealing with the argument, though, and taxes the brain less.
    When you manage to present one we'll find out.
    Stupidity isn't a crime, so you’re free to go.
    If stupidity becomes a defence I am out of a job. But I certainly wouldn’t classify @kinabalu as such in any event.
    He shouldn't dish it out if he can't take it.

    I'm not sure I can top his impressive "ffs, it's our turn" argument of earlier today anyway.
    I disagree. This succinctly summarised what is the most compelling argument for Labour and SKS next time around. Time for a change after 14 years, especially when the change is more boring than frightening.

    Unless Sunak manages something truly spectacular over the next 18 months it’s a winner.
    Not at all, it was just an exclamation of partisan frustration.

    @kinabalu would be much better able to understand politics in this country - not to mention be much more influential in shaping them - if he engaged with the opposing side to understand it, rather than blithely dismiss views he doesn't agree with.

    Politics doesn't work on buggins turn; it works on the electorate selecting who is best fit and able to run the country, usually on the basis of the least worst choice.

    As I argued on here yesterday: "time for a change" is a lagging indicator, not a leading one - for it to resonate, there has to be a better/more attractive alternative.
    No point slagging me off. I'm watching Ozark.
    Not slagging you off, although you did me earlier, but you will continue to lose and be surprised and frustrated by elections until you start engaging with views you vehemently disagree with respect with a view to building your understanding and thus, ultimately, your influence.

    No skin off my rosy nose if you don't. I'm happy to keep winning forever.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    edited April 2023

    King Charles III really likes ruining the lives of other people.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65316762

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/18/king-charles-renting-out-edinburgh-property-given-to-mother-in-role-as-queen

    Some interesting stuff coming out in the Graun btw.

    'Andy Wightman, a Scottish land reform expert and former Scottish Green party MSP, said the house seemed to have been a publicly owned asset used to help the royal family’s employees or people associated with the royal family. That was a form of public benefit, he said.

    “Since the property is now being rented out on a commercial basis as part of the king’s personal property portfolio, this historic understanding no longer has any validity,” he said. “The king should pay a market price for the property to the government.”'

    [and the fact that the SGs lost Mr Wightman is in my view a huge black mark against them]
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited April 2023
    Jesus, I know Dominion had a headline grabbing larger claim, but I didn't expect them to get this much - Fox must have been really shitting themselves.

    Even if this settlement accepts no admission of wrongdoing or the sort of bullcrap agreements often do, there's no hiding that is a heck of lot of money Fox have coughed up.

    Dominion lawyers have just announced Fox and Dominion have reached a settlement of $787,500,000m (£633.6m).

    "The truth matters, lies have consequences," a lawyer for Dominion says


    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65278051
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,992
    jaketapper
    3m
    Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson says Fox is paying up $787,500,000 to settle the defamation case against Fox for its airing of numerous lies about Dominion Voting Systems.

    Fox has admitted telling lies, the company CEO John Poulos says in press conference.
  • CitrusCitrus Posts: 27

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    "Haud yer wheesht" is the correct terminology. But far better to leave this to the professionals.
    (hwiːʃ ) or wheesht (hwiːʃt ) Scottish. exclamation. 1. a plea or demand for silence; hush. verb.
    Yes. As in "wheesht!" = shut up. I've never seen it employed as a transitive verb though. "Haud yer wheesht" is the phrase usually used. Against stiff competition I would say that innapropriate use of Scottish terminology is your most annoying habit!
    Incredibly stiff competition but I'm going to have to disagree.

    Constantly saying the Spectator is "intellectually high powered".

    This makes me grind my teeth and sometimes even log off.
    That's because your response to any cogent intellectual argument from the other side is to just pompously dismiss them as a 'reactionary' and move on.

    I suppose it's easier than dealing with the argument, though, and taxes the brain less.
    When you manage to present one we'll find out.
    Stupidity isn't a crime, so you’re free to go.
    If stupidity becomes a defence I am out of a job. But I certainly wouldn’t classify @kinabalu as such in any event.
    He shouldn't dish it out if he can't take it.

    I'm not sure I can top his impressive "ffs, it's our turn" argument of earlier today anyway.
    I disagree. This succinctly summarised what is the most compelling argument for Labour and SKS next time around. Time for a change after 14 years, especially when the change is more boring than frightening.

    Unless Sunak manages something truly spectacular over the next 18 months it’s a winner.
    Not at all, it was just an exclamation of partisan frustration.

    @kinabalu would be much better able to understand politics in this country - not to mention be much more influential in shaping them - if he engaged with the opposing side to understand it, rather than blithely dismiss views he doesn't agree with.

    Politics doesn't work on buggins turn; it works on the electorate selecting who is best fit and able to run the country, usually on the basis of the least worst choice.

    As I argued on here yesterday: "time for a change" is a lagging indicator, not a leading one - for it to resonate, there has to be a better/more attractive alternative.
    No point slagging me off. I'm watching Ozark.
    Not slagging you off, although you did me earlier, but you will continue to lose and be surprised and frustrated by elections until you start engaging with views you vehemently disagree with respect with a view to building your understanding and thus, ultimately, your influence.

    No skin off my rosy nose if you don't. I'm happy to keep winning forever.
    To be fair many people are guilty of this. Unfair to just pick on kinabalu.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    I'm looking forward to those Labour posters next year:

    "FFS, it's our turn!"
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    The Coronation Quiche sounds disgusting.
    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche

    Sounds quite tasty if tricky to make properly. Just right for someone with a decent garden.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416
    kle4 said:

    Fox releases statement on settlement

    "We are pleased to have reached a settlement of our dispute with Dominion Voting Systems. We acknowledge the Court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false. This settlement reflects FOX’s continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards.

    Does lying in a statement about an out-of-court settlement count as perjury?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    "Haud yer wheesht" is the correct terminology. But far better to leave this to the professionals.
    (hwiːʃ ) or wheesht (hwiːʃt ) Scottish. exclamation. 1. a plea or demand for silence; hush. verb.
    Yes. As in "wheesht!" = shut up. I've never seen it employed as a transitive verb though. "Haud yer wheesht" is the phrase usually used. Against stiff competition I would say that innapropriate use of Scottish terminology is your most annoying habit!
    Incredibly stiff competition but I'm going to have to disagree.

    Constantly saying the Spectator is "intellectually high powered".

    This makes me grind my teeth and sometimes even log off.
    That's because your response to any cogent intellectual argument from the other side is to just pompously dismiss them as a 'reactionary' and move on.

    I suppose it's easier than dealing with the argument, though, and taxes the brain less.
    When you manage to present one we'll find out.
    Stupidity isn't a crime, so you’re free to go.
    If stupidity becomes a defence I am out of a job. But I certainly wouldn’t classify @kinabalu as such in any event.
    He shouldn't dish it out if he can't take it.

    I'm not sure I can top his impressive "ffs, it's our turn" argument of earlier today anyway.
    I disagree. This succinctly summarised what is the most compelling argument for Labour and SKS next time around. Time for a change after 14 years, especially when the change is more boring than frightening.

    Unless Sunak manages something truly spectacular over the next 18 months it’s a winner.
    Not at all, it was just an exclamation of partisan frustration.

    @kinabalu would be much better able to understand politics in this country - not to mention be much more influential in shaping them - if he engaged with the opposing side to understand it, rather than blithely dismiss views he doesn't agree with.

    Politics doesn't work on buggins turn; it works on the electorate selecting who is best fit and able to run the country, usually on the basis of the least worst choice.

    As I argued on here yesterday: "time for a change" is a lagging indicator, not a leading one - for it to resonate, there has to be a better/more attractive alternative.
    No point slagging me off. I'm watching Ozark.
    Not slagging you off, although you did me earlier, but you will continue to lose and be surprised and frustrated by elections until you start engaging with views you vehemently disagree with respect with a view to building your understanding and thus, ultimately, your influence.

    No skin off my rosy nose if you don't. I'm happy to keep winning forever.
    I can't honestly think what kinabalu does will have much effect on who wins the next GE.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465
    Citrus said:

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    "Haud yer wheesht" is the correct terminology. But far better to leave this to the professionals.
    (hwiːʃ ) or wheesht (hwiːʃt ) Scottish. exclamation. 1. a plea or demand for silence; hush. verb.
    Yes. As in "wheesht!" = shut up. I've never seen it employed as a transitive verb though. "Haud yer wheesht" is the phrase usually used. Against stiff competition I would say that innapropriate use of Scottish terminology is your most annoying habit!
    Incredibly stiff competition but I'm going to have to disagree.

    Constantly saying the Spectator is "intellectually high powered".

    This makes me grind my teeth and sometimes even log off.
    That's because your response to any cogent intellectual argument from the other side is to just pompously dismiss them as a 'reactionary' and move on.

    I suppose it's easier than dealing with the argument, though, and taxes the brain less.
    When you manage to present one we'll find out.
    Stupidity isn't a crime, so you’re free to go.
    If stupidity becomes a defence I am out of a job. But I certainly wouldn’t classify @kinabalu as such in any event.
    He shouldn't dish it out if he can't take it.

    I'm not sure I can top his impressive "ffs, it's our turn" argument of earlier today anyway.
    I disagree. This succinctly summarised what is the most compelling argument for Labour and SKS next time around. Time for a change after 14 years, especially when the change is more boring than frightening.

    Unless Sunak manages something truly spectacular over the next 18 months it’s a winner.
    Not at all, it was just an exclamation of partisan frustration.

    @kinabalu would be much better able to understand politics in this country - not to mention be much more influential in shaping them - if he engaged with the opposing side to understand it, rather than blithely dismiss views he doesn't agree with.

    Politics doesn't work on buggins turn; it works on the electorate selecting who is best fit and able to run the country, usually on the basis of the least worst choice.

    As I argued on here yesterday: "time for a change" is a lagging indicator, not a leading one - for it to resonate, there has to be a better/more attractive alternative.
    No point slagging me off. I'm watching Ozark.
    Not slagging you off, although you did me earlier, but you will continue to lose and be surprised and frustrated by elections until you start engaging with views you vehemently disagree with respect with a view to building your understanding and thus, ultimately, your influence.

    No skin off my rosy nose if you don't. I'm happy to keep winning forever.
    To be fair many people are guilty of this. Unfair to just pick on kinabalu.
    He (rather rudely) keeps calling me a reactionary whenever he detects I have opposing views to him on a subject so this is very much a case of what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    He can end it at any time by changing his ways.

    Anyway, I must attend to evening chores. Goodnight.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416
    Scott_xP said:

    jaketapper
    3m
    Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson says Fox is paying up $787,500,000 to settle the defamation case against Fox for its airing of numerous lies about Dominion Voting Systems.

    Fox has admitted telling lies, the company CEO John Poulos says in press conference.

    Does that include costs? If it's only compensation it's truly eye watering.

    It's pretty extraordinary even if it's all in.

    Fox's lawyers clearly were hoping Dominion would buckle.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852

    Citrus said:

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    "Haud yer wheesht" is the correct terminology. But far better to leave this to the professionals.
    (hwiːʃ ) or wheesht (hwiːʃt ) Scottish. exclamation. 1. a plea or demand for silence; hush. verb.
    Yes. As in "wheesht!" = shut up. I've never seen it employed as a transitive verb though. "Haud yer wheesht" is the phrase usually used. Against stiff competition I would say that innapropriate use of Scottish terminology is your most annoying habit!
    Incredibly stiff competition but I'm going to have to disagree.

    Constantly saying the Spectator is "intellectually high powered".

    This makes me grind my teeth and sometimes even log off.
    That's because your response to any cogent intellectual argument from the other side is to just pompously dismiss them as a 'reactionary' and move on.

    I suppose it's easier than dealing with the argument, though, and taxes the brain less.
    When you manage to present one we'll find out.
    Stupidity isn't a crime, so you’re free to go.
    If stupidity becomes a defence I am out of a job. But I certainly wouldn’t classify @kinabalu as such in any event.
    He shouldn't dish it out if he can't take it.

    I'm not sure I can top his impressive "ffs, it's our turn" argument of earlier today anyway.
    I disagree. This succinctly summarised what is the most compelling argument for Labour and SKS next time around. Time for a change after 14 years, especially when the change is more boring than frightening.

    Unless Sunak manages something truly spectacular over the next 18 months it’s a winner.
    Not at all, it was just an exclamation of partisan frustration.

    @kinabalu would be much better able to understand politics in this country - not to mention be much more influential in shaping them - if he engaged with the opposing side to understand it, rather than blithely dismiss views he doesn't agree with.

    Politics doesn't work on buggins turn; it works on the electorate selecting who is best fit and able to run the country, usually on the basis of the least worst choice.

    As I argued on here yesterday: "time for a change" is a lagging indicator, not a leading one - for it to resonate, there has to be a better/more attractive alternative.
    No point slagging me off. I'm watching Ozark.
    Not slagging you off, although you did me earlier, but you will continue to lose and be surprised and frustrated by elections until you start engaging with views you vehemently disagree with respect with a view to building your understanding and thus, ultimately, your influence.

    No skin off my rosy nose if you don't. I'm happy to keep winning forever.
    To be fair many people are guilty of this. Unfair to just pick on kinabalu.
    He (rather rudely) keeps calling me a reactionary whenever he detects I have opposing views to him on a subject so this is very much a case of what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    He can end it at any time by changing his ways.

    Anyway, I must attend to evening chores. Goodnight.
    BTW if you have a rosy nose you ought to see a doctor. Look up rosacea on the NHS website.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,978

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,701

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    "Haud yer wheesht" is the correct terminology. But far better to leave this to the professionals.
    (hwiːʃ ) or wheesht (hwiːʃt ) Scottish. exclamation. 1. a plea or demand for silence; hush. verb.
    Yes. As in "wheesht!" = shut up. I've never seen it employed as a transitive verb though. "Haud yer wheesht" is the phrase usually used. Against stiff competition I would say that innapropriate use of Scottish terminology is your most annoying habit!
    Incredibly stiff competition but I'm going to have to disagree.

    Constantly saying the Spectator is "intellectually high powered".

    This makes me grind my teeth and sometimes even log off.
    That's because your response to any cogent intellectual argument from the other side is to just pompously dismiss them as a 'reactionary' and move on.

    I suppose it's easier than dealing with the argument, though, and taxes the brain less.
    When you manage to present one we'll find out.
    Stupidity isn't a crime, so you’re free to go.
    If stupidity becomes a defence I am out of a job. But I certainly wouldn’t classify @kinabalu as such in any event.
    He shouldn't dish it out if he can't take it.

    I'm not sure I can top his impressive "ffs, it's our turn" argument of earlier today anyway.
    I disagree. This succinctly summarised what is the most compelling argument for Labour and SKS next time around. Time for a change after 14 years, especially when the change is more boring than frightening.

    Unless Sunak manages something truly spectacular over the next 18 months it’s a winner.
    Not at all, it was just an exclamation of partisan frustration.

    @kinabalu would be much better able to understand politics in this country - not to mention be much more influential in shaping them - if he engaged with the opposing side to understand it, rather than blithely dismiss views he doesn't agree with.

    Politics doesn't work on buggins turn; it works on the electorate selecting who is best fit and able to run the country, usually on the basis of the least worst choice.

    As I argued on here yesterday: "time for a change" is a lagging indicator, not a leading one - for it to resonate, there has to be a better/more attractive alternative.
    No point slagging me off. I'm watching Ozark.
    Not slagging you off, although you did me earlier, but you will continue to lose and be surprised and frustrated by elections until you start engaging with views you vehemently disagree with respect with a view to building your understanding and thus, ultimately, your influence.

    No skin off my rosy nose if you don't. I'm happy to keep winning forever.
    And you'll say thank you very much as your income continually gets taxed ever more heavily in order to shelter the cosseted-boomer generation. Who's the gullible fool here?
  • $787.5m.

    Will Murdoch now sue Trump for the cash?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited April 2023
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    jaketapper
    3m
    Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson says Fox is paying up $787,500,000 to settle the defamation case against Fox for its airing of numerous lies about Dominion Voting Systems.

    Fox has admitted telling lies, the company CEO John Poulos says in press conference.

    Does that include costs? If it's only compensation it's truly eye watering.

    It's pretty extraordinary even if it's all in.

    Fox's lawyers clearly were hoping Dominion would buckle.
    Please tell me that, even in the US, lawyers' costs are not going to make much of a difference to $787m.

    Even if that figure includes costs, the compensation must be north of three-quarters of a billion $.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,934
    Carnyx said:

    King Charles III really likes ruining the lives of other people.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65316762

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/18/king-charles-renting-out-edinburgh-property-given-to-mother-in-role-as-queen

    Some interesting stuff coming out in the Graun btw.

    'Andy Wightman, a Scottish land reform expert and former Scottish Green party MSP, said the house seemed to have been a publicly owned asset used to help the royal family’s employees or people associated with the royal family. That was a form of public benefit, he said.

    “Since the property is now being rented out on a commercial basis as part of the king’s personal property portfolio, this historic understanding no longer has any validity,” he said. “The king should pay a market price for the property to the government.”'

    [and the fact that the SGs lost Mr Wightman is in my view a huge black mark against them]
    Andy Wightman is the epitome of what a Green politician should be, as opposed to the current batch of Green politicians.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    jaketapper
    3m
    Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson says Fox is paying up $787,500,000 to settle the defamation case against Fox for its airing of numerous lies about Dominion Voting Systems.

    Fox has admitted telling lies, the company CEO John Poulos says in press conference.

    Does that include costs? If it's only compensation it's truly eye watering.

    It's pretty extraordinary even if it's all in.

    Fox's lawyers clearly were hoping Dominion would buckle.
    Please tell me that, even in the US, lawyers' costs are not going to make much of a difference to $787m.

    Even if that figure includes costs, the compensation must be north of three-quarters of a billion $.
    I don't know. This was a trial with a lot of discovery involved. The hours will have been racking up.

    You wonder where that leaves them with the other case too. That was for an even higher figure. Are they going to settle that for 50% too?

    No wonder their share price is cratering.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    I'm looking forward to those Labour posters next year:

    "FFS, it's our turn!"

    It was an infelicitous phrase.
    But the argument that it’s time for a change is a persuasive one. The Tories have played bait and switch so many times during their lengthy spell in government that it’s impossible to trust they won’t do the same again.

    Had their record in government been good, then it would be possible to contemplate another term with equanimity. It hasn’t even been close to that - and in may respects has been utterly dismal.

    I’ve no great confidence in Starmer, but the current lot need a good kicking for both the country, and their own party’s good. And that means they’re losing the next general election, decisively. Not a mild fright in the local elections.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,134
    edited April 2023

    Not slagging you off, although you did me earlier, but you will continue to lose and be surprised and frustrated by elections until you start engaging with views you vehemently disagree with respect with a view to building your understanding and thus, ultimately, your influence.

    It's hardly the case that the views of random partisan supporters of a party are very influential on the outcome of elections. If Starmer or his core group of advisors were operating on an "it should be our turn now" worldview, yes, absolutely that would be detrimental to their chances of success, but I see no particular signs of that. The takes of individual posters on politics forums have pretty much 0 influence and also aren't very good proxies for the views of the party leadership. (For the other side of that, I don't suppose Sunak would endorse everything HYUFD says here or operate an election campaign on that rose-tinted view of the polling.)

    So a left-leaning person who thinks "our turn now, surely" may be *surprised* by an election loss, but they are hardly responsible for it, and a change in that worldview is unlikely to result in a change in electoral outcomes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    jaketapper
    3m
    Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson says Fox is paying up $787,500,000 to settle the defamation case against Fox for its airing of numerous lies about Dominion Voting Systems.

    Fox has admitted telling lies, the company CEO John Poulos says in press conference.

    Does that include costs? If it's only compensation it's truly eye watering.

    It's pretty extraordinary even if it's all in.

    Fox's lawyers clearly were hoping Dominion would buckle.
    Please tell me that, even in the US, lawyers' costs are not going to make much of a difference to $787m.

    Even if that figure includes costs, the compensation must be north of three-quarters of a billion $.
    Their lawyers might have been on a profit share, so who knows how much they made. We’ll probably find out at some point.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited April 2023
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    jaketapper
    3m
    Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson says Fox is paying up $787,500,000 to settle the defamation case against Fox for its airing of numerous lies about Dominion Voting Systems.

    Fox has admitted telling lies, the company CEO John Poulos says in press conference.

    Does that include costs? If it's only compensation it's truly eye watering.

    It's pretty extraordinary even if it's all in.

    Fox's lawyers clearly were hoping Dominion would buckle.
    Even if that figure includes costs, the compensation must be north of three-quarters of a billion $.
    No wonder their share price is cratering.
    Panicking over that was what got them in this mess to begin with - what lies will they spread this time to try to reverse that?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,416
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    jaketapper
    3m
    Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson says Fox is paying up $787,500,000 to settle the defamation case against Fox for its airing of numerous lies about Dominion Voting Systems.

    Fox has admitted telling lies, the company CEO John Poulos says in press conference.

    Does that include costs? If it's only compensation it's truly eye watering.

    It's pretty extraordinary even if it's all in.

    Fox's lawyers clearly were hoping Dominion would buckle.
    Even if that figure includes costs, the compensation must be north of three-quarters of a billion $.
    No wonder their share price is cratering.
    Panicking over that was what got them in this mess to begin with - what lies will they spread this time to try to reverse that?
    They've already said they're committed to the highest journalistic standards. Even Goebbels would have a hard time beating that one for sheer effrontery.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784

    Any projections for CPI tomorrow morning?

    I say 9.8% which I suspect is more than what is being expected/hoped for

    Current is 10.4%

    Bloomberg consensus is 9.8% IIRC, so you are in good company. I have it at 9.9%. It should come down on base effects - ie big price increases last March dropping out of the calculation - plus lower fuel prices. I see core inflation as persistent thanks to wage inflation hence the slightly higher forecast.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    For what it's worth I took 'It's our turn' as an intentionally comedic expression of the basic point about time for a change, rather than any kind of presumptousness.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    edited April 2023
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    jaketapper
    3m
    Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson says Fox is paying up $787,500,000 to settle the defamation case against Fox for its airing of numerous lies about Dominion Voting Systems.

    Fox has admitted telling lies, the company CEO John Poulos says in press conference.

    Does that include costs? If it's only compensation it's truly eye watering.

    It's pretty extraordinary even if it's all in.

    Fox's lawyers clearly were hoping Dominion would buckle.
    Even if that figure includes costs, the compensation must be north of three-quarters of a billion $.
    No wonder their share price is cratering.
    Panicking over that was what got them in this mess to begin with - what lies will they spread this time to try to reverse that?
    The bigger danger for them is the renegotiation of their cable deals. They are paid an absurd amount of money for the audience share they attract.

    The hit to their image potentially threatens that. And will be a big part of why they settled rather than drag it out in public.
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+1)
    CON: 27% (=)
    LDM: 10% (+1)
    REF: 6% (=)
    GRN: 5% (-2)

    via @YouGov, 12-13 Apr

    (Changes with 6 Apr)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    jaketapper
    3m
    Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson says Fox is paying up $787,500,000 to settle the defamation case against Fox for its airing of numerous lies about Dominion Voting Systems.

    Fox has admitted telling lies, the company CEO John Poulos says in press conference.

    Does that include costs? If it's only compensation it's truly eye watering.

    It's pretty extraordinary even if it's all in.

    Fox's lawyers clearly were hoping Dominion would buckle.
    Even if that figure includes costs, the compensation must be north of three-quarters of a billion $.
    No wonder their share price is cratering.
    Panicking over that was what got them in this mess to begin with - what lies will they spread this time to try to reverse that?
    They've already said they're committed to the highest journalistic standards. Even Goebbels would have a hard time beating that one for sheer effrontery.
    It is pretty amazing - you've just agreed to pay up the better part of a billion dollars because it was proven your standards were anything but high, and it's not like you accepted that with grace, but in a last minute deal to avoid a trial, yet still you argue you have standards?

    Next up, person who pleads guilty to a charge of perjury says it demonstrates their committment to the truth.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,300

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Fox releases statement on settlement

    "We are pleased to have reached a settlement of our dispute with Dominion Voting Systems. We acknowledge the Court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false. This settlement reflects FOX’s continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards.

    Does lying in a statement about an out-of-court settlement count as perjury?
    Sadly, no.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    edited April 2023

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    And, unless it's very young spinach, it's going to end up stringy, making the quiche hard to cut and hard to cleanly bite. Not very genteel.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Apparently the Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    "Haud yer wheesht" is the correct terminology. But far better to leave this to the professionals.
    (hwiːʃ ) or wheesht (hwiːʃt ) Scottish. exclamation. 1. a plea or demand for silence; hush. verb.
    Yes. As in "wheesht!" = shut up. I've never seen it employed as a transitive verb though. "Haud yer wheesht" is the phrase usually used. Against stiff competition I would say that innapropriate use of Scottish terminology is your most annoying habit!
    Incredibly stiff competition but I'm going to have to disagree.

    Constantly saying the Spectator is "intellectually high powered".

    This makes me grind my teeth and sometimes even log off.
    That's because your response to any cogent intellectual argument from the other side is to just pompously dismiss them as a 'reactionary' and move on.

    I suppose it's easier than dealing with the argument, though, and taxes the brain less.
    When you manage to present one we'll find out.
    Stupidity isn't a crime, so you’re free to go.
    If stupidity becomes a defence I am out of a job. But I certainly wouldn’t classify @kinabalu as such in any event.
    He shouldn't dish it out if he can't take it.

    I'm not sure I can top his impressive "ffs, it's our turn" argument of earlier today anyway.
    I disagree. This succinctly summarised what is the most compelling argument for Labour and SKS next time around. Time for a change after 14 years, especially when the change is more boring than frightening.

    Unless Sunak manages something truly spectacular over the next 18 months it’s a winner.
    Not at all, it was just an exclamation of partisan frustration.

    @kinabalu would be much better able to understand politics in this country - not to mention be much more influential in shaping them - if he engaged with the opposing side to understand it, rather than blithely dismiss views he doesn't agree with.

    Politics doesn't work on buggins turn; it works on the electorate selecting who is best fit and able to run the country, usually on the basis of the least worst choice.

    As I argued on here yesterday: "time for a change" is a lagging indicator, not a leading one - for it to resonate, there has to be a better/more attractive alternative.
    I reckon @kinabalu finds it genuinely difficult to think outside his predictable, progressive, social democratic box. He has a world view, and he diligently sticks to it, and it comforts him, and it probably verifies often enough for him to feel it is acceptably accurate, so why risk changing his perspective? Easier to label opponents as "reactionaries" and file them comfortably away

    But he is terrible at processing new data or coming up with new ideas or confronting fresh dilemmas. eg his dogged determination to believe Sturgeon is a good woman promoting a genuine cause, and that's that - despite overwhelming evidence that she may well have been fervently indy but she knowingly led and protected a corrupt cabal that was bent on gouging the Scottish and British state for status and money, even as they "nobly" pursued independence

    That's probably why he was a successful accountant. You don't want an excitable accountant full of mad new ideas and open to all kinds of suggestions. You want someone who does what he does, and does it well and assiduously, and who ignores distractions or simply doesn't comprehend them

    However you don't want a dude like @kinabalu if you need innovation or imagination, or an ability to draw startling, unexpected and profitable conclusions

    He found the right role in life. Good for him. Seriously. Others are not so lucky
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,300
    edited April 2023
    Nigelb said:

    I'm looking forward to those Labour posters next year:

    "FFS, it's our turn!"

    It was an infelicitous phrase.
    But the argument that it’s time for a change is a persuasive one. The Tories have played bait and switch so many times during their lengthy spell in government that it’s impossible to trust they won’t do the same again.

    Had their record in government been good, then it would be possible to contemplate another term with equanimity. It hasn’t even been close to that - and in may respects has been utterly dismal.

    I’ve no great confidence in Starmer, but the current lot need a good kicking for both the country, and their own party’s good. And that means they’re losing the next general election, decisively. Not a mild fright in the local elections.
    Given the last local election results, the result of the coming locals may very well look quite ordinary to people as ignorant as, say, Robert Peston.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    jaketapper
    3m
    Dominion lawyer Justin Nelson says Fox is paying up $787,500,000 to settle the defamation case against Fox for its airing of numerous lies about Dominion Voting Systems.

    Fox has admitted telling lies, the company CEO John Poulos says in press conference.

    Does that include costs? If it's only compensation it's truly eye watering.

    It's pretty extraordinary even if it's all in.

    Fox's lawyers clearly were hoping Dominion would buckle.
    Even if that figure includes costs, the compensation must be north of three-quarters of a billion $.
    No wonder their share price is cratering.
    Panicking over that was what got them in this mess to begin with - what lies will they spread this time to try to reverse that?
    The bigger danger for them is the renegotiation of their cable deals. They are paid an absurd amount of money for the audience share they attract.

    The hit to their image potentially threatens that. And will be a big part of why they settled rather than drag it out in public.
    I suppose a lot of material has already come out about how their executives and stars knew they were peddling lies, and doing so to mollify their base - who even if they did not outright call stupid they demonstrated they did not actually agree with through those admissions about the election not being stolen.

    So rather than that come up over and over in a more publicised trial, just settle and even though it looks bad, it's less damaging than the base hearing about that challenge to their beliefs about the stolen election over and over? They can actually leave unchallenged that belief by just not having to talk about it as much.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    Rudy G got his coming, too.

    One of Dominion's lawyers, Stephen Shackelford, said the settlement with Fox isn't the end:

    "We're not done yet. We have some other people who have some accountability coming toward them."

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1648426219434807297

    Discovery reportedly starts next month.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    edited April 2023
    carnforth said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    And, unless it's very young spinach, it's going to end up stringy, making the quiche hard to cut and hard to cleanly bite. Not very genteel.
    They'll make it in 1 inch diameter bite-size quiches for the Royal Garden Parties. I attended one as a teenager, and apart from being radically appalled by how people behaved, particularly ladies of a certain age as I have remarked on here, the other thing that struck me was how they carefully designed the food to be, so to speak, Miliband-consumable. Right down to perfect chocolate eclairss with that cream stuff in them, about 1.1 inches long.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    Not acceptable to royalists, of course, so no good as coronoation quiche. Too woke. But it does sound good.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    Nigelb said:

    Rudy G got his coming, too.

    One of Dominion's lawyers, Stephen Shackelford, said the settlement with Fox isn't the end:

    "We're not done yet. We have some other people who have some accountability coming toward them."

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1648426219434807297

    Discovery reportedly starts next month.

    Plus Smartmatic also have to open their case still, as the gent also remarks.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    Not acceptable to royalists, of course, so no good as coronoation quiche. Too woke. But it does sound good.
    It's bloody brilliant, If spiced up a tiny bit. It has completely turned me on to venison - and I am trying to reduce my consumption of dubiously farmed beef, pork and chicken to near zero. If not zero

    I only ever eat steak now (cooking at home) if I can research the provenance down to the actual cow, basically

    Industrial farming of animals disturbs me greatly

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    Putin’s Regime Is Descending Into Stalinism
    The prison sentence handed down to my friend, opposition leader Vladimir Kara-Murza, signals that repression in Russia is getting even worse.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/18/vladimir-kara-murza-death-struggle-vladimir-putin-00092499
    … On Monday, Kara-Murza was sentenced to 25 years in a “strict regime” prison colony. This is likely the longest sentence ever meted out for political activity in post-Soviet Russia, where the maximum term for murder is 15 years and the punishment for rape is the same. His sentence combines penalties for all these “crimes”: seven years for the first, three for the second, and 15 years (apparently “reduced” from eighteen) for the third.

    This punishment is much harsher than the ones to which the regime’s vengeance has lately subjected members of the opposition. The two other leading opponents of the Kremlin, Alexei Navalny and Ilya Yashin, were sentenced to nine years and eight-and-a-half years respectively…
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,667
    Nigelb said:

    I'm looking forward to those Labour posters next year:

    "FFS, it's our turn!"

    It was an infelicitous phrase.
    But the argument that it’s time for a change is a persuasive one. The Tories have played bait and switch so many times during their lengthy spell in government that it’s impossible to trust they won’t do the same again.

    Had their record in government been good, then it would be possible to contemplate another term with equanimity. It hasn’t even been close to that - and in may respects has been utterly dismal.

    I’ve no great confidence in Starmer, but the current lot need a good kicking for both the country, and their own party’s good. And that means they’re losing the next general election, decisively. Not a mild fright in the local elections.
    It's time for a change but unfortunately we aren't offering one"
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    Mind you, if lying in court should is punishable, there are several Supreme Court Justices who ought to be banged up, Along with the Texas guy.

    ‘The justices were kidding themselves’: Supreme Court takes up abortion after saying lawmakers should decide
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/18/supreme-court-abortion-pill-00092529
    … The case now before the court undercuts one of the core arguments justices made when they overturned Roe v. Wade in June: that it’s not appropriate for “unelected members of this Court” to “override the democratic process” and set national abortion policy.

    “This Court will no longer decide the fundamental question of whether abortion must be allowed throughout the United States through 6 weeks, or 12 weeks, or 15 weeks, or 24 weeks, or some other line,” declared Justice Brett Kavanaugh in a concurring opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health. “Instead, those difficult moral and policy questions will be decided, as the Constitution dictates, by the people and their elected representatives through the constitutional processes of democratic self-government.”

    While the issue currently before the court is a technical one that hinges on judicial and administrative processes and not the merits of the parties’ abortion-rights arguments, it will still have the kind of substantive national impact justices vowed in the Dobbs ruling to avoid.

    “The justices were kidding themselves if they thought the decision in Dobbs would somehow get them out of the business of dealing with abortion cases,” said Stephen Vladeck, a constitutional law professor at the University of Texas School of Law. “One would have to have remarkable blinders on not to have seen that.”..

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Rudy G got his coming, too.

    One of Dominion's lawyers, Stephen Shackelford, said the settlement with Fox isn't the end:

    "We're not done yet. We have some other people who have some accountability coming toward them."

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1648426219434807297

    Discovery reportedly starts next month.

    Plus Smartmatic also have to open their case still, as the gent also remarks.
    Just read Smartmatic's brilliant introduction to their suit:

    1. The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won
    the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Why aren't Dominion and Smartmatic suing Trump?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,453
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    Not acceptable to royalists, of course, so no good as coronoation quiche. Too woke. But it does sound good.
    It's bloody brilliant, If spiced up a tiny bit. It has completely turned me on to venison - and I am trying to reduce my consumption of dubiously farmed beef, pork and chicken to near zero. If not zero

    I only ever eat steak now (cooking at home) if I can research the provenance down to the actual cow, basically

    Industrial farming of animals disturbs me greatly

    Not all venison is wild, and a lot of what is labelled Scottish is actually Turkish apparently. No idea how it works but I've been assured it's true by a Scottish chef of some standing.

    That recipe looks like it would need copious amounts of butter to make it taste good.

    You can afford well-husbanded cow, chicken and pork, so buy it and enjoy it. Retreat from meat is very 2019.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    Not acceptable to royalists, of course, so no good as coronoation quiche. Too woke. But it does sound good.
    It's bloody brilliant, If spiced up a tiny bit. It has completely turned me on to venison - and I am trying to reduce my consumption of dubiously farmed beef, pork and chicken to near zero. If not zero

    I only ever eat steak now (cooking at home) if I can research the provenance down to the actual cow, basically

    Industrial farming of animals disturbs me greatly

    Not all venison is wild, and a lot of what is labelled Scottish is actually Turkish apparently. No idea how it works but I've been assured it's true by a Scottish chef of some standing.

    That recipe looks like it would need copious amounts of butter to make it taste good.

    You can afford well-husbanded cow, chicken and pork, so buy it and enjoy it. Retreat from meat is very 2019.
    I am sure what I am getting is the real deal: wild venison. I've done my research

    Of course I add butter! I add this fantastic sea salt butter - Posh Cow - from M&S:



    https://www.poshcowdairy.com/our-butters

    And boy it tastes good
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    Nigelb said:

    I'm looking forward to those Labour posters next year:

    "FFS, it's our turn!"

    It was an infelicitous phrase.
    But the argument that it’s time for a change is a persuasive one. The Tories have played bait and switch so many times during their lengthy spell in government that it’s impossible to trust they won’t do the same again.

    Had their record in government been good, then it would be possible to contemplate another term with equanimity. It hasn’t even been close to that - and in may respects has been utterly dismal.

    I’ve no great confidence in Starmer, but the current lot need a good kicking for both the country, and their own party’s good. And that means they’re losing the next general election, decisively. Not a mild fright in the local elections.
    Given the last local election results, the result of the coming locals may very well look quite ordinary to people as ignorant as, say, Robert Peston.
    A very low bar...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,376
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Rudy G got his coming, too.

    One of Dominion's lawyers, Stephen Shackelford, said the settlement with Fox isn't the end:

    "We're not done yet. We have some other people who have some accountability coming toward them."

    https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1648426219434807297

    Discovery reportedly starts next month.

    Plus Smartmatic also have to open their case still, as the gent also remarks.
    They are only after $2.7bn and let’s be blunt Fox have admitted they are guilty but you really wouldn’t be paying $767.5m to settle a court case…
  • eekeek Posts: 28,376

    Why aren't Dominion and Smartmatic suing Trump?

    Did Trump ever say anything - I don’t think he did he used his henchmen / mates to do so.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,848
    Some vegetarian venison-substitute for me, please :lol:
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    On Topic:

    Trump Leads DeSantis In Our New 2024 Republican Primary Polling Average

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-desantis-national-polls/

    and...

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,848
    Dialup said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+1)
    CON: 27% (=)
    LDM: 10% (+1)
    REF: 6% (=)
    GRN: 5% (-2)

    via @YouGov, 12-13 Apr

    (Changes with 6 Apr)

    Broken, sleazy Greens on the slide!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,453
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    Not acceptable to royalists, of course, so no good as coronoation quiche. Too woke. But it does sound good.
    It's bloody brilliant, If spiced up a tiny bit. It has completely turned me on to venison - and I am trying to reduce my consumption of dubiously farmed beef, pork and chicken to near zero. If not zero

    I only ever eat steak now (cooking at home) if I can research the provenance down to the actual cow, basically

    Industrial farming of animals disturbs me greatly

    Not all venison is wild, and a lot of what is labelled Scottish is actually Turkish apparently. No idea how it works but I've been assured it's true by a Scottish chef of some standing.

    That recipe looks like it would need copious amounts of butter to make it taste good.

    You can afford well-husbanded cow, chicken and pork, so buy it and enjoy it. Retreat from meat is very 2019.
    I am sure what I am getting is the real deal: wild venison. I've done my research

    Of course I add butter! I add this fantastic sea salt butter - Posh Cow - from M&S:



    https://www.poshcowdairy.com/our-butters

    And boy it tastes good
    Oh yum, that butter does look good.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226
    Good job, Daily Mail subs, good job.


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,453

    Some vegetarian venison-substitute for me, please :lol:

    I reckon portobello mushrooms would be the closest thing.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    Some time ago, I came ot this conclusion: Following Trump risks your wealth, your health, and even for some, your freedom. It looks like Fox News may be coming to a similar conclusion.

    (Republican professionals are learning, if they haven't already, that following Trump makes it difficult to win national elections.)
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,751

    Carnyx said:

    King Charles III really likes ruining the lives of other people.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65316762

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/18/king-charles-renting-out-edinburgh-property-given-to-mother-in-role-as-queen

    Some interesting stuff coming out in the Graun btw.

    'Andy Wightman, a Scottish land reform expert and former Scottish Green party MSP, said the house seemed to have been a publicly owned asset used to help the royal family’s employees or people associated with the royal family. That was a form of public benefit, he said.

    “Since the property is now being rented out on a commercial basis as part of the king’s personal property portfolio, this historic understanding no longer has any validity,” he said. “The king should pay a market price for the property to the government.”'

    [and the fact that the SGs lost Mr Wightman is in my view a huge black mark against them]
    Andy Wightman is the epitome of what a Green politician should be, as opposed to the current batch of Green politicians.
    He was a significant loss to the Parliament. He showed considerable independence over the parliamentary Salmond inquiry, finding against Sturgeon. That possibly finished him with the Greens. I think he may have had doubts over the gender stuff as well. Just compare him to the likes of Slater, Greer and Chapman...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    eek said:

    Why aren't Dominion and Smartmatic suing Trump?

    Did Trump ever say anything - I don’t think he did he used his henchmen / mates to do so.
    And some:

    image

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54959962
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,340

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    Not acceptable to royalists, of course, so no good as coronoation quiche. Too woke. But it does sound good.
    It's bloody brilliant, If spiced up a tiny bit. It has completely turned me on to venison - and I am trying to reduce my consumption of dubiously farmed beef, pork and chicken to near zero. If not zero

    I only ever eat steak now (cooking at home) if I can research the provenance down to the actual cow, basically

    Industrial farming of animals disturbs me greatly

    Not all venison is wild, and a lot of what is labelled Scottish is actually Turkish apparently. No idea how it works but I've been assured it's true by a Scottish chef of some standing.

    That recipe looks like it would need copious amounts of butter to make it taste good.

    You can afford well-husbanded cow, chicken and pork, so buy it and enjoy it. Retreat from meat is very 2019.
    I am sure what I am getting is the real deal: wild venison. I've done my research

    Of course I add butter! I add this fantastic sea salt butter - Posh Cow - from M&S:



    https://www.poshcowdairy.com/our-butters

    And boy it tastes good
    Oh yum, that butter does look good.
    It's excellent. Great butter can transform quite humble dishes

    You can buy it at almost any M&S of a reasonable size
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    edited April 2023

    Good job, Daily Mail subs, good job.


    What does Ms Vine think is the coming apocalypse do we know? AI controlled W3W?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    Some vegetarian venison-substitute for me, please :lol:

    Just choose a different recipe altogether Sunil. You'll save money too as it won't be as deer.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,191
    edited April 2023
    Nigelb said:

    I'm looking forward to those Labour posters next year:

    "FFS, it's our turn!"

    It was an infelicitous phrase.
    But the argument that it’s time for a change is a persuasive one. The Tories have played bait and switch so many times during their lengthy spell in government that it’s impossible to trust they won’t do the same again.

    Had their record in government been good, then it would be possible to contemplate another term with equanimity. It hasn’t even been close to that - and in may respects has been utterly dismal.

    I’ve no great confidence in Starmer, but the current lot need a good kicking for both the country, and their own party’s good. And that means they’re losing the next general election, decisively. Not a mild fright in the local elections.
    Exactly. I was analysing the election through the lens of the generic floating voter not literally claiming it's Labour's "turn". Obviously, I thought, but clearly not.

    I'm just a soul whose intentions are good, oh lord please don't ... etc
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,020

    Some vegetarian venison-substitute for me, please :lol:

    A cheaper option.

    Well, it's not as deer as the real thing.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,528
    Anecdata update: I posted only moderately upbeat impressions from local election canvassing a couple of weeks ago - Labour doing a bit better than in 2019, Tories a bit worse, but nothing too dramatic. Talking with other candidates, our impression is that the Tories are now doing significantly worse, partly due to a sheer shortage of foot-soldiers. They have put out a single leaflet so far, compared with 2-3 from Labour and LibDems, and they are largely silent on social media.

    Is there a Labour surge? No, just moderate progress, and that partly because we have a lot more serious candidates this time as a result of membership growth - we're making a serious effort at Borough or Town level in 7 wards, vs 2 last time, and are canvassing actively in all of them, whereas 95% of canvassing last time was just in my ward. But we think the Tories are going to have a serious turnout problem in two weeks unless they pull something out. The LibDems and Greens are broadly standing still, as far as we can tell.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    Not acceptable to royalists, of course, so no good as coronoation quiche. Too woke. But it does sound good.
    It's bloody brilliant, If spiced up a tiny bit. It has completely turned me on to venison - and I am trying to reduce my consumption of dubiously farmed beef, pork and chicken to near zero. If not zero

    I only ever eat steak now (cooking at home) if I can research the provenance down to the actual cow, basically

    Industrial farming of animals disturbs me greatly

    Not all venison is wild, and a lot of what is labelled Scottish is actually Turkish apparently. No idea how it works but I've been assured it's true by a Scottish chef of some standing.

    That recipe looks like it would need copious amounts of butter to make it taste good.

    You can afford well-husbanded cow, chicken and pork, so buy it and enjoy it. Retreat from meat is very 2019.
    I am sure what I am getting is the real deal: wild venison. I've done my research

    Of course I add butter! I add this fantastic sea salt butter - Posh Cow - from M&S:



    https://www.poshcowdairy.com/our-butters

    And boy it tastes good
    I'm rather looking forward to lots of Le Beurre Bretagne over the next three weeks

    I think I'll be able to eat whatever I want and still lose weight on this holiday
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,191
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Apparently the Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    "Haud yer wheesht" is the correct terminology. But far better to leave this to the professionals.
    (hwiːʃ ) or wheesht (hwiːʃt ) Scottish. exclamation. 1. a plea or demand for silence; hush. verb.
    Yes. As in "wheesht!" = shut up. I've never seen it employed as a transitive verb though. "Haud yer wheesht" is the phrase usually used. Against stiff competition I would say that innapropriate use of Scottish terminology is your most annoying habit!
    Incredibly stiff competition but I'm going to have to disagree.

    Constantly saying the Spectator is "intellectually high powered".

    This makes me grind my teeth and sometimes even log off.
    That's because your response to any cogent intellectual argument from the other side is to just pompously dismiss them as a 'reactionary' and move on.

    I suppose it's easier than dealing with the argument, though, and taxes the brain less.
    When you manage to present one we'll find out.
    Stupidity isn't a crime, so you’re free to go.
    If stupidity becomes a defence I am out of a job. But I certainly wouldn’t classify @kinabalu as such in any event.
    He shouldn't dish it out if he can't take it.

    I'm not sure I can top his impressive "ffs, it's our turn" argument of earlier today anyway.
    I disagree. This succinctly summarised what is the most compelling argument for Labour and SKS next time around. Time for a change after 14 years, especially when the change is more boring than frightening.

    Unless Sunak manages something truly spectacular over the next 18 months it’s a winner.
    Not at all, it was just an exclamation of partisan frustration.

    @kinabalu would be much better able to understand politics in this country - not to mention be much more influential in shaping them - if he engaged with the opposing side to understand it, rather than blithely dismiss views he doesn't agree with.

    Politics doesn't work on buggins turn; it works on the electorate selecting who is best fit and able to run the country, usually on the basis of the least worst choice.

    As I argued on here yesterday: "time for a change" is a lagging indicator, not a leading one - for it to resonate, there has to be a better/more attractive alternative.
    I reckon @kinabalu finds it genuinely difficult to think outside his predictable, progressive, social democratic box. He has a world view, and he diligently sticks to it, and it comforts him, and it probably verifies often enough for him to feel it is acceptably accurate, so why risk changing his perspective? Easier to label opponents as "reactionaries" and file them comfortably away

    But he is terrible at processing new data or coming up with new ideas or confronting fresh dilemmas. eg his dogged determination to believe Sturgeon is a good woman promoting a genuine cause, and that's that - despite overwhelming evidence that she may well have been fervently indy but she knowingly led and protected a corrupt cabal that was bent on gouging the Scottish and British state for status and money, even as they "nobly" pursued independence

    That's probably why he was a successful accountant. You don't want an excitable accountant full of mad new ideas and open to all kinds of suggestions. You want someone who does what he does, and does it well and assiduously, and who ignores distractions or simply doesn't comprehend them

    However you don't want a dude like @kinabalu if you need innovation or imagination, or an ability to draw startling, unexpected and profitable conclusions

    He found the right role in life. Good for him. Seriously. Others are not so lucky
    Yes, feel free to contribute.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,453

    eek said:

    Why aren't Dominion and Smartmatic suing Trump?

    Did Trump ever say anything - I don’t think he did he used his henchmen / mates to do so.
    And some:

    image

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54959962
    That tweet shows him doing exactly what eek says.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,376

    eek said:

    Why aren't Dominion and Smartmatic suing Trump?

    Did Trump ever say anything - I don’t think he did he used his henchmen / mates to do so.
    And some:

    image

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54959962
    That tweet shows him doing exactly what eek says.
    Equally a quick read elsewhere tells me that it’s hard to do anything about Trump for things he did while president (thanks to Nixon).

    And I think he clammed up once Biden was sworn in…
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    Oops! Here's that table of life expectancies, by American state: https://247wallst.com/state/heres-how-life-expectancy-in-north-dakota-compares-to-the-nation/

    Here's a funny thing:

    All the States with the highest life expectancy are Democrat. You need to get numbers 10 and 11 (Florida and Utah) to get to Republican ones.

    And it's a real mix too: Hawaii, California, New York and Minnesota are all very different states demographically and racially.
  • BournvilleBournville Posts: 309

    Anecdata update: I posted only moderately upbeat impressions from local election canvassing a couple of weeks ago - Labour doing a bit better than in 2019, Tories a bit worse, but nothing too dramatic. Talking with other candidates, our impression is that the Tories are now doing significantly worse, partly due to a sheer shortage of foot-soldiers. They have put out a single leaflet so far, compared with 2-3 from Labour and LibDems, and they are largely silent on social media.

    Is there a Labour surge? No, just moderate progress, and that partly because we have a lot more serious candidates this time as a result of membership growth - we're making a serious effort at Borough or Town level in 7 wards, vs 2 last time, and are canvassing actively in all of them, whereas 95% of canvassing last time was just in my ward. But we think the Tories are going to have a serious turnout problem in two weeks unless they pull something out. The LibDems and Greens are broadly standing still, as far as we can tell.

    Completely believe this analysis; the main problem the Tories have is that a lot of their activists are passing away, Covid accelerated things (the ones that didn't die are significantly less physically and mentally firm after two years of staying inside) and no one under 65 - who isn't trying to pass the PAB - is willing to give up their time to leaflet for a government that treats them like shit.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    eek said:

    Why aren't Dominion and Smartmatic suing Trump?

    Did Trump ever say anything - I don’t think he did he used his henchmen / mates to do so.
    And some:

    image

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54959962
    That tweet shows him doing exactly what eek says.
    You mean, because he put in quotes: "REPORT: DOMINION DELETED..." ?

    There was no such report.

    Surely I cannot get away with: "Report states that Luckyguy1983 committed [insert heinous act here]" when there is no such report?

    You'd, rightly, have grounds to sue.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,376
    Carnyx said:

    Good job, Daily Mail subs, good job.


    What does Ms Vine think is the coming apocalypse do we know? AI controlled W3W?
    Article is here if you want to read it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-11987407/SARAH-VINE-ministers-invading-phones-tiresome-emergency-alert.html

    And you’re not far wrong
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    rcs1000 said:

    Oops! Here's that table of life expectancies, by American state: https://247wallst.com/state/heres-how-life-expectancy-in-north-dakota-compares-to-the-nation/

    Here's a funny thing:

    All the States with the highest life expectancy are Democrat. You need to get numbers 10 and 11 (Florida and Utah) to get to Republican ones.

    And it's a real mix too: Hawaii, California, New York and Minnesota are all very different states demographically and racially.
    Vote Democrat - Live Longer!
  • Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    Not acceptable to royalists, of course, so no good as coronoation quiche. Too woke. But it does sound good.
    It's bloody brilliant, If spiced up a tiny bit. It has completely turned me on to venison - and I am trying to reduce my consumption of dubiously farmed beef, pork and chicken to near zero. If not zero

    I only ever eat steak now (cooking at home) if I can research the provenance down to the actual cow, basically

    Industrial farming of animals disturbs me greatly

    Sounds lovely. Though I think the beef
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Why aren't Dominion and Smartmatic suing Trump?

    Did Trump ever say anything - I don’t think he did he used his henchmen / mates to do so.
    And some:

    image

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54959962
    That tweet shows him doing exactly what eek says.
    Equally a quick read elsewhere tells me that it’s hard to do anything about Trump for things he did while president (thanks to Nixon).

    And I think he clammed up once Biden was sworn in…
    Ok that makes more sense.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    @Leon has gone woke.

    How very sad.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    rcs1000 - I would have thought you knew about the ecological fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,683

    Good job, Daily Mail subs, good job.


    Surely an emergency response system for phones is a great way to warn people of the robo-apocalypse?

    Unless of course those robo-blighters hack the system 🤔
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226
    edited April 2023

    Anecdata update: I posted only moderately upbeat impressions from local election canvassing a couple of weeks ago - Labour doing a bit better than in 2019, Tories a bit worse, but nothing too dramatic. Talking with other candidates, our impression is that the Tories are now doing significantly worse, partly due to a sheer shortage of foot-soldiers. They have put out a single leaflet so far, compared with 2-3 from Labour and LibDems, and they are largely silent on social media.

    Is there a Labour surge? No, just moderate progress, and that partly because we have a lot more serious candidates this time as a result of membership growth - we're making a serious effort at Borough or Town level in 7 wards, vs 2 last time, and are canvassing actively in all of them, whereas 95% of canvassing last time was just in my ward. But we think the Tories are going to have a serious turnout problem in two weeks unless they pull something out. The LibDems and Greens are broadly standing still, as far as we can tell.

    Completely believe this analysis; the main problem the Tories have is that a lot of their activists are passing away, Covid accelerated things (the ones that didn't die are significantly less physically and mentally firm after two years of staying inside) and no one under 65 - who isn't trying to pass the PAB - is willing to give up their time to leaflet for a government that treats them like shit.
    The set text on a dying Conservative government is Gyles Brandreth's diaries and he made exactly the same observation- his 1997 campaign team in Chester was the same team as in 1992, only older. And in 1997, the Conservatives were still getting a share of the youth vote in the high twenties percent.

    Becoming the party of retired homeowners and a handful of others may turn out to have been a perfect example of brilliant tactics and appaling strategy by the Conservatives.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    @Leon has gone woke.

    How very sad.
    What if Leon hunts the deer himself?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,683

    Some vegetarian venison-substitute for me, please :lol:

    But surely venison is vegan already? Everybody on PB knows that...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    Not acceptable to royalists, of course, so no good as coronoation quiche. Too woke. But it does sound good.
    It's bloody brilliant, If spiced up a tiny bit. It has completely turned me on to venison - and I am trying to reduce my consumption of dubiously farmed beef, pork and chicken to near zero. If not zero

    I only ever eat steak now (cooking at home) if I can research the provenance down to the actual cow, basically

    Industrial farming of animals disturbs me greatly

    Not all venison is wild, and a lot of what is labelled Scottish is actually Turkish apparently. No idea how it works but I've been assured it's true by a Scottish chef of some standing.

    That recipe looks like it would need copious amounts of butter to make it taste good.

    You can afford well-husbanded cow, chicken and pork, so buy it and enjoy it. Retreat from meat is very 2019.
    That's a pretty serious offence, if true.

    https://www.gov.uk/food-labelling-and-packaging

    Looking on Bloomberg, I see that Turkey exported $1.9m of Venison in 2021, and I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption that will not have all gone to the UK.

    So, I'm going to channel Charlie from Poker Face and call "Bullshit" on that one.
  • CitrusCitrus Posts: 27
    rcs1000 said:

    Oops! Here's that table of life expectancies, by American state: https://247wallst.com/state/heres-how-life-expectancy-in-north-dakota-compares-to-the-nation/

    Here's a funny thing:

    All the States with the highest life expectancy are Democrat. You need to get numbers 10 and 11 (Florida and Utah) to get to Republican ones.

    And it's a real mix too: Hawaii, California, New York and Minnesota are all very different states demographically and racially.
    Yes because democrat states tend to be wealthier.
  • CitrusCitrus Posts: 27
    Carnyx said:

    Good job, Daily Mail subs, good job.


    What does Ms Vine think is the coming apocalypse do we know? AI controlled W3W?
    Ive seen rumours on social media that all uk airports bar Heathrow, Glasgow and Belfast will close by 2030.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    @Leon has gone woke.

    How very sad.
    According to Casino he is as good as a vegan or confusingly actually a vegan.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    Citrus said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Oops! Here's that table of life expectancies, by American state: https://247wallst.com/state/heres-how-life-expectancy-in-north-dakota-compares-to-the-nation/

    Here's a funny thing:

    All the States with the highest life expectancy are Democrat. You need to get numbers 10 and 11 (Florida and Utah) to get to Republican ones.

    And it's a real mix too: Hawaii, California, New York and Minnesota are all very different states demographically and racially.
    Yes because democrat states tend to be wealthier.
    Eh?

    California is a crime infested hell hole: how can it possibly be wealthy?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,675
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    @Leon has gone woke.

    How very sad.
    Whenever I cook like that it usually means I've found myself a new girlfriend.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    Foxy said:

    Good job, Daily Mail subs, good job.


    Surely an emergency response system for phones is a great way to warn people of the robo-apocalypse?

    Unless of course those robo-blighters hack the system 🤔
    Phones are the problem, full stop.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161

    rcs1000 - I would have thought you knew about the ecological fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_fallacy

    Is that the one about members of the Green Party are always wrong?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    @Leon has gone woke.

    How very sad.
    Whenever I cook like that it usually means I've found myself a new girlfriend.
    Show me a man who's a vegan, and I will show you a man who's trying to shag a vegan.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,751

    Anecdata update: I posted only moderately upbeat impressions from local election canvassing a couple of weeks ago - Labour doing a bit better than in 2019, Tories a bit worse, but nothing too dramatic. Talking with other candidates, our impression is that the Tories are now doing significantly worse, partly due to a sheer shortage of foot-soldiers. They have put out a single leaflet so far, compared with 2-3 from Labour and LibDems, and they are largely silent on social media.

    Is there a Labour surge? No, just moderate progress, and that partly because we have a lot more serious candidates this time as a result of membership growth - we're making a serious effort at Borough or Town level in 7 wards, vs 2 last time, and are canvassing actively in all of them, whereas 95% of canvassing last time was just in my ward. But we think the Tories are going to have a serious turnout problem in two weeks unless they pull something out. The LibDems and Greens are broadly standing still, as far as we can tell.

    Completely believe this analysis; the main problem the Tories have is that a lot of their activists are passing away, Covid accelerated things (the ones that didn't die are significantly less physically and mentally firm after two years of staying inside) and no one under 65 - who isn't trying to pass the PAB - is willing to give up their time to leaflet for a government that treats them like shit.
    The set text on a dying Conservative government is Gyles Brandreth's diaries and he made exactly the same observation- his 1997 campaign team in Chester was the same team as in 1992, only older. And in 1997, the Conservatives were still getting a share of the youth vote in the high twenties percent.

    Becoming the party of retired homeowners and a handful of others may turn out to have been a perfect example of brilliant tactics and appaling strategy by the Conservatives.
    The availability of activists will have a signficantly greater impact in a council election than a general election. Worth bearing in mind when drawing conclusions from the results in May.
  • CitrusCitrus Posts: 27
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    8C and leaden skies in the rugged Primrose Hill borderlands

    UGH

    Quite sunny and 15° in Leicester.
    Apparently the Western Isles are bathed in fine sunshine! - 18C and cloudless skies in Portreee, Skye, today

    The weather map has been inverted

    So far this has been one of the nastier springs I can remember. A decidedly wet, dull March - worst for forty years, is being followed by a cold grey April. It's a bit like the endless winter that was lockdown 3 in early 2021

    Tho I did manage to get 9 weeks in southeast Asia from Jan to March this winter, so maybe I should wheesht ma groaning
    "Haud yer wheesht" is the correct terminology. But far better to leave this to the professionals.
    (hwiːʃ ) or wheesht (hwiːʃt ) Scottish. exclamation. 1. a plea or demand for silence; hush. verb.
    Yes. As in "wheesht!" = shut up. I've never seen it employed as a transitive verb though. "Haud yer wheesht" is the phrase usually used. Against stiff competition I would say that innapropriate use of Scottish terminology is your most annoying habit!
    Incredibly stiff competition but I'm going to have to disagree.

    Constantly saying the Spectator is "intellectually high powered".

    This makes me grind my teeth and sometimes even log off.
    That's because your response to any cogent intellectual argument from the other side is to just pompously dismiss them as a 'reactionary' and move on.

    I suppose it's easier than dealing with the argument, though, and taxes the brain less.
    When you manage to present one we'll find out.
    Stupidity isn't a crime, so you’re free to go.
    If stupidity becomes a defence I am out of a job. But I certainly wouldn’t classify @kinabalu as such in any event.
    He shouldn't dish it out if he can't take it.

    I'm not sure I can top his impressive "ffs, it's our turn" argument of earlier today anyway.
    I disagree. This succinctly summarised what is the most compelling argument for Labour and SKS next time around. Time for a change after 14 years, especially when the change is more boring than frightening.

    Unless Sunak manages something truly spectacular over the next 18 months it’s a winner.
    Not at all, it was just an exclamation of partisan frustration.

    @kinabalu would be much better able to understand politics in this country - not to mention be much more influential in shaping them - if he engaged with the opposing side to understand it, rather than blithely dismiss views he doesn't agree with.

    Politics doesn't work on buggins turn; it works on the electorate selecting who is best fit and able to run the country, usually on the basis of the least worst choice.

    As I argued on here yesterday: "time for a change" is a lagging indicator, not a leading one - for it to resonate, there has to be a better/more attractive alternative.
    I reckon @kinabalu finds it genuinely difficult to think outside his predictable, progressive, social democratic box. He has a world view, and he diligently sticks to it, and it comforts him, and it probably verifies often enough for him to feel it is acceptably accurate, so why risk changing his perspective? Easier to label opponents as "reactionaries" and file them comfortably away

    But he is terrible at processing new data or coming up with new ideas or confronting fresh dilemmas. eg his dogged determination to believe Sturgeon is a good woman promoting a genuine cause, and that's that - despite overwhelming evidence that she may well have been fervently indy but she knowingly led and protected a corrupt cabal that was bent on gouging the Scottish and British state for status and money, even as they "nobly" pursued independence

    That's probably why he was a successful accountant. You don't want an excitable accountant full of mad new ideas and open to all kinds of suggestions. You want someone who does what he does, and does it well and assiduously, and who ignores distractions or simply doesn't comprehend them

    However you don't want a dude like @kinabalu if you need innovation or imagination, or an ability to draw startling, unexpected and profitable conclusions

    He found the right role in life. Good for him. Seriously. Others are not so lucky
    Must admit im amazed he made enough money to live in Hampstead. He seems a nice guy but with severe intellectual limitations.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,792
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65318654

    "Fox News has settled a defamation lawsuit from the voting machine company, Dominion, over its reporting of the 2020 presidential election.

    In a last-minute settlement before the trial, the network agreed to pay $787.5m (£644m) - about half the $1.6bn initially sought by Dominion.

    Dominion argued its business was harmed by Fox spreading false claims the vote had been rigged against Donald Trump.

    The deal spares Fox executives such as Rupert Murdoch from having to testify. "
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,161
    edited April 2023

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    @Leon has gone woke.

    How very sad.
    What if Leon hunts the deer himself?
    Still woke.

    Ultimately, deer are woke. Look at the buggers, even the ostensibly male ones look effeminate. God knows how they self identify.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,792

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    @Theuniondivvie

    On the quiche/flan question, I suppose Coronation Quiche sounds better than much you can do with flan..

    The Formal Flimflam Flan?

    Spinach is a high risk ingredient for baking. I heard someone on the radio say unless every bit of water is squeezed out of it it’ll result in greenish eggy soup in a soggy pastry base.
    I suspect it was the ever-reliable Felicity Cloake:

    https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/apr/17/more-like-spinach-pie-felicity-cloake-tests-king-charles-and-camillas-coronation-quiche
    I’ve had success with making quiche with spinach in the past, using the oven on low setting to drive off the water, before adding the spinach to the rest of the ingredients.
    THIS is a fantastic venison, leek, potato, mushroom and spinach recipe. Honestly, it's MARV

    Takes about 40 minutes of easy cookery when you can be doing other stuff at the same time. I add chili flakes to the leeks and creme fraiche to the mash, and I add dashi and then bay leaves to the beef stock. YUM YUM YUM

    It is also pretty healthy and you know the venison is wild and sustainable. Yay

    https://www.mindfulchef.com/healthy-recipes/venison-steak-sauteed-leeks-and-mash

    Also, double any specified amount of garlic. Of course
    @Leon has gone woke.

    How very sad.
    What if Leon hunts the deer himself?
    You don't hunt vegetables.
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