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What will tomorrow do to Trump’s WH2024 hopes? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,764
edited April 2023 in General
imageWhat will tomorrow do to Trump’s WH2024 hopes? – politicalbetting.com

Tomorrow is a massive day in US politics when the former president goes on criminal trial in New York for actions in the WH2016 when it is alleged he paid Stormy Daniel to keep quiet about their relationship.

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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,910
    Trump = Chump. One day we'll all spot that.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,327
    Second, like Man City.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Probably increases the chances of him getting the Republican nomination, but might well diminish his chances of winning the election. Or at least, the election assuming the votes are properly counted.
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    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this
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    PadTheHoundsmanPadTheHoundsman Posts: 33
    edited April 2023
    Trump's 'base' is immovable. He literally could shoot and kill someone on 5th Avenue and they'd still vote for him. They are that wilfully blind.

    However the base on its own isn't enough to get him past the finish line. He needs the - admittedly diminishing - strata of independents and centrists. A criminal trial is hardly going to endear him to them more than in 2020. That said, Biden's age and potential increasing infirmity due to it is going to worry a lot of people too. Not that they'll vote for the (alleged) felon but they might just sit on their hands. Biden has to know this, but then the Dems have hardly got an obvious star in the wings waiting Biden to step aside to land the vacancy. Kamala is simply not that inspiring and she too would just have people she needs sitting on their hands. Trump could get in by just the skin of his teeth again. And then we really do have a problem.
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    tlg86 said:

    Second, like Man City.

    If Arsenal beat Liverpool (A) on the 9th April and City (A) on 26th April they will be champions
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,429
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,635

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    You'd think they wouldn't want to give him so much publicity.
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    Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 2,809

    Trump's 'base' is immovable. He literally could shoot and kill someone on 5th Avenue and they'd still vote for him. They are that wilfully blind.

    However the base on its own isn't enough to get him past the finish line. He needs the - admittedly diminishing - strata of independents and centrists. A criminal trial is hardly going to endear him to them more than in 2020. That said, Biden's age and potential increasing infirmity due to it is going to worry a lot of people too. Not that they'll vote for the (alleged) felon but they might just sit on their hands. Biden has to know this, but then the Dems have hardly got an obvious star in the wings waiting Biden to step aside to land the vacancy. Kamala is simply not that inspiring and she too would just have people she needs sitting on their hands. Trump could get in by just the skin of his teeth again. And then we really do have a problem.

    Maybe the last line of defence would be to concede that he really did win in 2020 and is now time-limited.
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    Andy_JS said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    You'd think they wouldn't want to give him so much publicity.
    Apparently after the hearing tomorrow their is a window of opportunity for Tump to make a statement to the media, and if he takes it it will be pure box office and not in a good way
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,419
    edited April 2023
    I like to think that the American nation has the measure of Trump
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    Trump means fart

    Which makes me think.. whenever I see the surname Gough, I'm always tempted to ask if it rhymes with through or tough
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,639

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    kinabalu said:

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,782

    I like to think that the American nation has the measure of Trump

    I'd like to think that.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,910

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    Both the BBC and Sky have been Trump's biggest backers. They may quibble about small matters, but it's all Trump agenda. In part this is because Biden is just a vacuum. Nobody dislikes him, but he's a pointless walking corpse to be frank. The US will get it's proper delivery Obama moment, but it seems just not yet.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,278
    Like it or not, Trump is going to totally own the next 48 hours. If there’s to be mugshots and perp walks, he’ll have T-shirts printed with the pictures on sale within the hour. All of which will be good for him in the nomination race.

    If the charges stick, it will probably be bad news for him in the election; but if he successfully gets rid of minor charges that are clearly politically motivated, more serious future charges might also be easily dismissed in the eyes of the electorate.
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    kle4 said:

    I like to think that the American nation has the measure of Trump

    I'd like to think that.
    Sadly all evidence suggests the opposite for approximately half the population.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,782

    Probably increases the chances of him getting the Republican nomination, but might well diminish his chances of winning the election. Or at least, the election assuming the votes are properly counted.

    There's a regrettable scenario where the votes are indeed properly counted and he does actually win legitimately.

    Haunting thought, but things were super close in several states, and presumably some of those states have 'tightened' things up.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,898
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,327
    kinabalu said:

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,429
    Omnium said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    Both the BBC and Sky have been Trump's biggest backers. They may quibble about small matters, but it's all Trump agenda. In part this is because Biden is just a vacuum. Nobody dislikes him, but he's a pointless walking corpse to be frank. The US will get it's proper delivery Obama moment, but it seems just not yet.
    The support for Andrew Tate amongst almost half of all 16-24 year old boys/men show that Trumpy type support is here for the long-term.

    The Woke don't realise that by sowing the wind, they reap the whirlwind.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,898

    Omnium said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    Both the BBC and Sky have been Trump's biggest backers. They may quibble about small matters, but it's all Trump agenda. In part this is because Biden is just a vacuum. Nobody dislikes him, but he's a pointless walking corpse to be frank. The US will get it's proper delivery Obama moment, but it seems just not yet.
    The support for Andrew Tate amongst almost half of all 16-24 year old boys/men show that Trumpy type support is here for the long-term.

    The Woke don't realise that by sowing the wind, they reap the whirlwind.
    The UK government didn't even have a prepared plan for Brexit. Does the EU, UK and NATO have a plan for a properly quasi-fascist America?

    I had thought, around 2016, that despite the rhetoric the USA constitutional strength would see off Trumpo-fascism even if he won an election. Not so sure second time around.

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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,910

    Omnium said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    Both the BBC and Sky have been Trump's biggest backers. They may quibble about small matters, but it's all Trump agenda. In part this is because Biden is just a vacuum. Nobody dislikes him, but he's a pointless walking corpse to be frank. The US will get it's proper delivery Obama moment, but it seems just not yet.
    The support for Andrew Tate amongst almost half of all 16-24 year old boys/men show that Trumpy type support is here for the long-term.

    The Woke don't realise that by sowing the wind, they reap the whirlwind.
    Ok, I didn't realise Tate was woke - I just thought criminal. Just my perception - I know almost nothing about the case and the little I do know makes me sure that I don't want to know more.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,278
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    Both the BBC and Sky have been Trump's biggest backers. They may quibble about small matters, but it's all Trump agenda. In part this is because Biden is just a vacuum. Nobody dislikes him, but he's a pointless walking corpse to be frank. The US will get it's proper delivery Obama moment, but it seems just not yet.
    The support for Andrew Tate amongst almost half of all 16-24 year old boys/men show that Trumpy type support is here for the long-term.

    The Woke don't realise that by sowing the wind, they reap the whirlwind.
    Ok, I didn't realise Tate was woke - I just thought criminal. Just my perception - I know almost nothing about the case and the little I do know makes me sure that I don't want to know more.
    My sister had to explain the concepts of rape and human trafficking to her two boys, aged 9 and 10, when Tate was arrested. They knew who he was, and didn’t understand why he was suddenly a bad one.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,796

    kinabalu said:

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    Not a thing anymore.
    I don't think @hyufd would be insulted to be included in that category. Can you have a herd of 1? I can think of several others whom that might fit eg @NerysHughes
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,796

    I like to think that the American nation has the measure of Trump

    Fingers crossed. Not totally convinced though.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,015
    algarkirk said:

    Omnium said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    Both the BBC and Sky have been Trump's biggest backers. They may quibble about small matters, but it's all Trump agenda. In part this is because Biden is just a vacuum. Nobody dislikes him, but he's a pointless walking corpse to be frank. The US will get it's proper delivery Obama moment, but it seems just not yet.
    The support for Andrew Tate amongst almost half of all 16-24 year old boys/men show that Trumpy type support is here for the long-term.

    The Woke don't realise that by sowing the wind, they reap the whirlwind.
    The UK government didn't even have a prepared plan for Brexit. Does the EU, UK and NATO have a plan for a properly quasi-fascist America?

    I had thought, around 2016, that despite the rhetoric the USA constitutional strength would see off Trumpo-fascism even if he won an election. Not so sure second time around.

    well since we appear to be dealing with a properly quasi-fascist America today I assune it will just be business as ususl
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    @Gardenwalker do you know Dutch band Michelle David & the True-tones?

    This song of theirs, Better, is with Dutch/Brazilian singer Lilian Vieira

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMqSz1tGE1M
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,083

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    So basically even those still voting Tory are embarrased by the governments antics and failures and dont have much interest in defending them?
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,796
    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,639
    This is bad for Trump imo. It's only the 1st indictment. There are others to come. All of them serious matters. Once this stuff gets going it snowballs, more and more unsavoury things get revealed, and a court of law is not a place to lie and bluster and bullshit.

    Ok it might be my book talking to some extent but I think he's almost over. It's just a matter of how much damage he does as he goes down. Possible he gets the GOP nomination - although I think not - but no way he regains the WH. You can lay that and spend the winnings now.

    I shouldn’t really glamorize this deeply seedy human being with a Clash lyric but oh well never mind. Trump fought the law and the law won. That's how I see this panning out over the next couple of years.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,083
    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    Saves having to write +1!
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,327
    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    I like the like button. I like it when people like my posts. But I've never checked who has liked my post, partly because I don't know how to, but mainly because that would be nuts.
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,796
    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    I enjoy giving people likes. I 'like' a lot more than I post. I like to acknowledge a post that enlightens me, makes me laugh, that I strongly agree with, is well written, etc. I have even liked posts that I disagree with if I think it is a good counter argument.

    I was going to tell you how many likes you have, but you have blocked access to that information.

    I must admit if I think I have made a good pun I enjoy seeing the likes. I also find it interesting that I might get likes for what I think is a weak post and not for ones I think are quite good.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,015
    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    I agree

    I put Trump in the narcissit category and would rather see De Santis run against a democrat of the same age.

    Howeer the US has lost the plot and is on its way to becoming a banana republic. I would have expected the Democrats to have the intelligence to reel Bragg in and stop the use of the legal system as an election winning ploy. But it seems they have run out of grown ups in DC.

    What does his say ? Firstly the Democrats must be total shit if they cant beat Trump on policy and votes. Secondly they must be total shit if they cant work out that the shoe will be on the other foot some day and they will have their own days in court. Finally there is always a dickhead british politico who just cant resist importing the latest US bilge in to our political system, so at some point this rubbish is heading here.

    Fking marvellous.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,687
    edited April 2023
    Sandpit said:

    Like it or not, Trump is going to totally own the next 48 hours. If there’s to be mugshots and perp walks, he’ll have T-shirts printed with the pictures on sale within the hour. All of which will be good for him in the nomination race.

    If the charges stick, it will probably be bad news for him in the election; but if he successfully gets rid of minor charges that are clearly politically motivated, more serious future charges might also be easily dismissed in the eyes of the electorate.

    Far more likely that he drags it out and ends up with another couple of trials running concurrently.
    The classified documents case might even be the first to reach a verdict.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,549
    edited April 2023
    kinabalu said:

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    Fpt
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,015
    kinabalu said:

    This is bad for Trump imo. It's only the 1st indictment. There are others to come. All of them serious matters. Once this stuff gets going it snowballs, more and more unsavoury things get revealed, and a court of law is not a place to lie and bluster and bullshit.

    Ok it might be my book talking to some extent but I think he's almost over. It's just a matter of how much damage he does as he goes down. Possible he gets the GOP nomination - although I think not - but no way he regains the WH. You can lay that and spend the winnings now.

    I shouldn’t really glamorize this deeply seedy human being with a Clash lyric but oh well never mind. Trump fought the law and the law won. That's how I see this panning out over the next couple of years.

    Its worse of for America.

    USA now twinned with Venezuela.
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    @Gardenwalker do you know Dutch band Michelle David & the True-tones?

    This song of theirs, Better, is with Dutch/Brazilian singer Lilian Vieira

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMqSz1tGE1M

    Yeah Yeah Yeah (such a Sixties name!) sounds like a Northern Soul song you never heard

    It could have been recorded more than 55 years ago, but actually just under one year

    I'm going to try to see these guys live

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_wyBT5cuWA
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,327
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    Both the BBC and Sky have been Trump's biggest backers. They may quibble about small matters, but it's all Trump agenda. In part this is because Biden is just a vacuum. Nobody dislikes him, but he's a pointless walking corpse to be frank. The US will get it's proper delivery Obama moment, but it seems just not yet.
    The support for Andrew Tate amongst almost half of all 16-24 year old boys/men show that Trumpy type support is here for the long-term.

    The Woke don't realise that by sowing the wind, they reap the whirlwind.
    Ok, I didn't realise Tate was woke - I just thought criminal. Just my perception - I know almost nothing about the case and the little I do know makes me sure that I don't want to know more.
    From the relatively little I know about Andrew Tate I wouldn't say he is anti woke as much as anti women. Has he taken a stance on BLM for instance? As he is mixed race I would be surprised if he is violently opposed to that. I don't think you need to be woke to be disgusted by his views, you just need to subscribe to what I hope are mainstream views like women shouldn't get raped. He appeals to young men in part because a lot of his "content" is less controversial, centred on self improvement and fitness.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 115,081
    edited April 2023
    I think the moment Donald Trump realises he will be soon 'tossing the salad' repeatedly is when he flips.

    He'll throw his kids in front of the bus to save himself.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 21,083
    Sandpit said:

    kjh said:

    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    I enjoy giving people likes. I 'like' a lot more than I post. I like to acknowledge a post that enlightens me, makes me laugh, that I strongly agree with, is well written, etc. I have even liked posts that I disagree with if I think it is a good counter argument.

    I was going to tell you how many likes you have, but you have blocked access to that information.

    I must admit if I think I have made a good pun I enjoy seeing the likes. I also find it interesting that I might get likes for what I think is a weak post and not for ones I think are quite good.
    Sometimes, a well-argued post might even get likes from people who would normally disagree with you, but are persuaded by your reasoning.
    Happens frequenly on the Brexit threads I find, as posters switch sides backwards and forwards swayed by the strength and freshness of each sides arguments.
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    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    You missed a category:

    Anti-woke posters with far too much time on their hands: 1.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,015
    Nigelb said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    I'd put Biden in the top quartile of President since WWII, so that's mince, IMO.
    there have been 13 presidents since 1945. Top quartile is 3. So who have you excluded. Truman, JFK, Reagan, Clinton ?

    Personally I think Obama called him right,
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,585
    It likely won't make too much difference to his chances of winning the GOP nomination but will hit his chances if he is nominee for the general election, especially with Independents if convicted
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 24,015
    HYUFD said:

    It likely won't make too much difference to his chances of winning the GOP nomination but will hit his chances if he is nominee for the general election, especially with Independents if convicted

    I think that will depend how its done if he is convicted. If its seen as political persecution he will gain votes;
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,603
    kinabalu said:

    This is bad for Trump imo. It's only the 1st indictment. There are others to come. All of them serious matters. Once this stuff gets going it snowballs, more and more unsavoury things get revealed, and a court of law is not a place to lie and bluster and bullshit.

    Ok it might be my book talking to some extent but I think he's almost over. It's just a matter of how much damage he does as he goes down. Possible he gets the GOP nomination - although I think not - but no way he regains the WH. You can lay that and spend the winnings now.

    I shouldn’t really glamorize this deeply seedy human being with a Clash lyric but oh well never mind. Trump fought the law and the law won. That's how I see this panning out over the next couple of years.

    The fact that it's about paying off Stormy Daniels makes his position much more politically survivable than it could have been. It makes it look like there was nothing more damaging to throw at him despite all the allegations and conspiracy theories.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,585

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    So 46 Labour, LD or Nat and only 41 Tory or centre right, PB now leans left/liberal, even more in terms of regular posters
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,796

    I think the moment Donald Trump realises he will be soon 'tossing the salad' repeatedly is when he flips.

    He'll throw his kids in the front to save himself.

    Well there is a phrase I hadn't heard of and wish I hadn't looked up.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,748

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    Well that's b*ll*cks. Firstly because you have missed out swivel-eyed right wing nutters altogether. I also assume you have double counted LD and Centre left, besides which your interpretation of centre- left includes Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine.

    And as for frequency of posting, you are currently in a Champions League spot.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,782

    HYUFD said:

    It likely won't make too much difference to his chances of winning the GOP nomination but will hit his chances if he is nominee for the general election, especially with Independents if convicted

    I think that will depend how its done if he is convicted. If its seen as political persecution he will gain votes;
    It's seen as political persecution to even accuse him of crimes. And its not even only GOPers who act that way, bizarrely.

    Of course we're a long way from trial let along conviction.

    I remain firm in my belief he will never see a day in prison.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,782

    kinabalu said:

    This is bad for Trump imo. It's only the 1st indictment. There are others to come. All of them serious matters. Once this stuff gets going it snowballs, more and more unsavoury things get revealed, and a court of law is not a place to lie and bluster and bullshit.

    Ok it might be my book talking to some extent but I think he's almost over. It's just a matter of how much damage he does as he goes down. Possible he gets the GOP nomination - although I think not - but no way he regains the WH. You can lay that and spend the winnings now.

    I shouldn’t really glamorize this deeply seedy human being with a Clash lyric but oh well never mind. Trump fought the law and the law won. That's how I see this panning out over the next couple of years.

    The fact that it's about paying off Stormy Daniels makes his position much more politically survivable than it could have been. It makes it look like there was nothing more damaging to throw at him despite all the allegations and conspiracy theories.
    It is a shame its this one first, of the various cases. Even easier for him to pretend it is nothing.
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    I like Sunak putting Braverman in her place.

    Downing Street has acknowledged that new post-Brexit “processes” contributed to issues at the Port of Dover over the weekend.

    The prime minister’s official spokesman said he was aware that French border officials were “inspecting and stamping every single passport”, as is the case at all European borders for arrivals from outside the bloc.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dover-delays-officials-dismiss-suella-braverman-claim-queues-brexit-latest-l0mtqjfkw
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    kjh said:

    I think the moment Donald Trump realises he will be soon 'tossing the salad' repeatedly is when he flips.

    He'll throw his kids in the front to save himself.

    Well there is a phrase I hadn't heard of and wish I hadn't looked up.
    I'm here to educate and inform.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,787
    HYUFD said:

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    So 46 Labour, LD or Nat and only 41 Tory or centre right, PB now leans left/liberal, even more in terms of regular posters
    But surely your 109,268 posts, if weighted properly, shift the balance rightwards?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,782
    Sandpit said:

    kjh said:

    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    I enjoy giving people likes. I 'like' a lot more than I post. I like to acknowledge a post that enlightens me, makes me laugh, that I strongly agree with, is well written, etc. I have even liked posts that I disagree with if I think it is a good counter argument.

    I was going to tell you how many likes you have, but you have blocked access to that information.

    I must admit if I think I have made a good pun I enjoy seeing the likes. I also find it interesting that I might get likes for what I think is a weak post and not for ones I think are quite good.
    Sometimes, a well-argued post might even get likes from people who would normally disagree with you, but are persuaded by your reasoning.
    Not even necessarily persuaded by it, just appreciative of how well the point was put.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,639

    kinabalu said:

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    Hang on, you've missed out the Tory HERD.
    Not a thing anymore.
    Well you can't have a Labour Herd then. PB has Balance in its charter.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,748
    HYUFD said:

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    So 46 Labour, LD or Nat and only 41 Tory or centre right, PB now leans left/liberal, even more in terms of regular posters
    If the analysis was anything like accurate you may have a point.

    In the Popperesque world of PB, we should all have the right to "self identify".
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,796
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    kjh said:

    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    I enjoy giving people likes. I 'like' a lot more than I post. I like to acknowledge a post that enlightens me, makes me laugh, that I strongly agree with, is well written, etc. I have even liked posts that I disagree with if I think it is a good counter argument.

    I was going to tell you how many likes you have, but you have blocked access to that information.

    I must admit if I think I have made a good pun I enjoy seeing the likes. I also find it interesting that I might get likes for what I think is a weak post and not for ones I think are quite good.
    Sometimes, a well-argued post might even get likes from people who would normally disagree with you, but are persuaded by your reasoning.
    Not even necessarily persuaded by it, just appreciative of how well the point was put.
    Yep as I said in my post I have liked posts I have disagreed with.
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    I've been kind of forced to think about CHB's much talked about, possible triumphant return

    And I think we should celebrate with a new nickname*

    I'm thinking we should use CHB and call him Chub, or Chubby if we're feeling friendly

    Or The Chubster, when lauding him

    * I have a family called Eke on my round. I haven't met any of them yet, but I really want to ask if they know that their name is the same as the word that I learnt that nickname derives from. Eke means 'additional' in Middle English, and "an eke name" became " a nekename" then a "nickname"
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,429

    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    I like the like button. I like it when people like my posts. But I've never checked who has liked my post, partly because I don't know how to, but mainly because that would be nuts.
    It's like admitting to masturbation.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,429

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    Well that's b*ll*cks. Firstly because you have missed out swivel-eyed right wing nutters altogether. I also assume you have double counted LD and Centre left, besides which your interpretation of centre- left includes Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine.

    And as for frequency of posting, you are currently in a Champions League spot.
    Translation: I'm upset that I know I've been classified in The Herd.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 13,017
    Evening all 😀

    On what was a pretty good night for the centre right, the Democrats for Andorra won 16 of the 28 General Council seats. Still waiting for final numbers from Bulgaria were ITN look to have got back into the National Assembly. Borisov’s GERB party has probably won more seats than Petrov’s PP but if I were caretaker Prime Minister Galab Donev I wouldn’t make any plans for a quick departure as the political impasse which has lasted since last August won’t be shifted by another inconclusive election.

    Back on more familiar terrain, the Monday evening Redfield & Wilton poll has little change. The England sub sample has Labour on 50%, the Conservatives on 29% and the Liberal Democrats on 11% so a 17% swing since December 2019.

    The supplementaries are fairly disappointing for Sunak as well. As to what they tell us about the local elections next month, I remain convinced the big story will be Labour gains across the country.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,429

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    You missed a category:

    Anti-woke posters with far too much time on their hands: 1.
    Its quite funny how The Herd know exactly who they are and willingly self-identify.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 13,017

    I like Sunak putting Braverman in her place.

    Downing Street has acknowledged that new post-Brexit “processes” contributed to issues at the Port of Dover over the weekend.

    The prime minister’s official spokesman said he was aware that French border officials were “inspecting and stamping every single passport”, as is the case at all European borders for arrivals from outside the bloc.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dover-delays-officials-dismiss-suella-braverman-claim-queues-brexit-latest-l0mtqjfkw

    I must confess I find Simon Calder’s analysis on this rather more compelling than Suella Braverman. Did we really insist on every passport being checked and stamped ?

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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,748

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    Well that's b*ll*cks. Firstly because you have missed out swivel-eyed right wing nutters altogether. I also assume you have double counted LD and Centre left, besides which your interpretation of centre- left includes Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine.

    And as for frequency of posting, you are currently in a Champions League spot.
    Translation: I'm upset that I know I've been classified in The Herd.
    Am I?

    I would self identify as anti-Conservative, so I am not sure that places me in any of your groupings. Perhaps I need a group all of my own. In that respect we are similarly unique.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,455

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    Where am I on your list?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,603
    stodge said:

    I like Sunak putting Braverman in her place.

    Downing Street has acknowledged that new post-Brexit “processes” contributed to issues at the Port of Dover over the weekend.

    The prime minister’s official spokesman said he was aware that French border officials were “inspecting and stamping every single passport”, as is the case at all European borders for arrivals from outside the bloc.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dover-delays-officials-dismiss-suella-braverman-claim-queues-brexit-latest-l0mtqjfkw

    I must confess I find Simon Calder’s analysis on this rather more compelling than Suella Braverman. Did we really insist on every passport being checked and stamped ?
    The coalition government phased in exit checks which involved every passport being checked, so regardless of Brexit and regardless of anything the French are doing, there would be a bottleneck at Dover in the event of a staffing problem. Simon Calder's "we begged the French to inconvenience us" act is quite disingenuous.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,748

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    You missed a category:

    Anti-woke posters with far too much time on their hands: 1.
    Its quite funny how The Herd know exactly who they are and willingly self-identify.
    I think in general we all play quite nicely on here. We don't need some self-identifying straight down the middle non-partisan to categorise us as left, right, up or down.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,898
    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    Your post just got 1,796 likes by the way.

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    Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 601
    Off.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 13,017
    I don’t know what I find the more ridiculous @Casino_Royale's poster analysis or the individual I saw on Facebook complaining he’d lost money betting on Wrestlemania.
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    RattersRatters Posts: 862
    edited April 2023

    I think the moment Donald Trump realises he will be soon 'tossing the salad' repeatedly is when he flips.

    He'll throw his kids in front of the bus to save himself.

    Why would any prosecutor let Trump off the hook by flipping on others? He is the big fish, not his spoilt children.

    The other problem he has is I expect he's the sort of businessman who breaks the law routinely because he thinks he's above it. There may not be enough evidence for many of his crimes, but there likely will be for a few.

    I'd love to see him as the GOP nominee being in and out of different court rooms during the campaign. It would sum up the current Republican party very nicely.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,748

    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    I like the like button. I like it when people like my posts. But I've never checked who has liked my post, partly because I don't know how to, but mainly because that would be nuts.
    It's like admitting to masturbation.
    Are you suggesting some posters might be
    w*******? That's a bit rude!
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,429
    rcs1000 said:

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    Where am I on your list?
    Centre-right inclined (but not Tory)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,429
    stodge said:

    I don’t know what I find the more ridiculous @Casino_Royale's poster analysis or the individual I saw on Facebook complaining he’d lost money betting on Wrestlemania.

    You're down as one of the LDs.

    Is that ridiculous?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,429

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    You missed a category:

    Anti-woke posters with far too much time on their hands: 1.
    Its quite funny how The Herd know exactly who they are and willingly self-identify.
    I think in general we all play quite nicely on here. We don't need some self-identifying straight down the middle non-partisan to categorise us as left, right, up or down.
    Yeah, sure.

    You're still one of the Labour Herd though.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,521
    HYUFD said:

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    So 46 Labour, LD or Nat and only 41 Tory or centre right, PB now leans left/liberal, even more in terms of regular posters
    No such thing as a liberal right winger, then, in your Weltanschauung, let alone a right-wing Scottish Independista.
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    glwglw Posts: 9,583
    Completely off-topic. I see that the Twitter logo is now a Doge.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,999
    glw said:

    Completely off-topic. I see that the Twitter logo is now a Doge.

    I was wondering why Elon Musk would bring in a logo associated with absolutism and corrupt politics, appropriate though it would seem.

    But I gather it's a dog rather than an actual doge.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,947

    Nigelb said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    I'd put Biden in the top quartile of President since WWII, so that's mince, IMO.
    there have been 13 presidents since 1945. Top quartile is 3. So who have you excluded. Truman, JFK, Reagan, Clinton ?

    Personally I think Obama called him right,
    I would say Biden is the most effective president since Reagan. I mean that he is skilled at marshalling the political forces to achieve his agenda. Whether he's effective in a good way is an opinion.

    By the way I don't think Reagan was effective in a good way, but he was definitely effective.

    He was also definitely senile.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,748

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    You missed a category:

    Anti-woke posters with far too much time on their hands: 1.
    Its quite funny how The Herd know exactly who they are and willingly self-identify.
    I think in general we all play quite nicely on here. We don't need some self-identifying straight down the middle non-partisan to categorise us as left, right, up or down.
    Yeah, sure.

    You're still one of the Labour Herd though.
    So long as you don't categorise me as "Tory/Tory leaning".
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,771
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    So 46 Labour, LD or Nat and only 41 Tory or centre right, PB now leans left/liberal, even more in terms of regular posters
    No such thing as a liberal right winger, then, in your Weltanschauung, let alone a right-wing Scottish Independista.
    Ahem, I would claim to be the former and @malcolmg is a good example of the latter.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,910
    Sandpit said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    Both the BBC and Sky have been Trump's biggest backers. They may quibble about small matters, but it's all Trump agenda. In part this is because Biden is just a vacuum. Nobody dislikes him, but he's a pointless walking corpse to be frank. The US will get it's proper delivery Obama moment, but it seems just not yet.
    The support for Andrew Tate amongst almost half of all 16-24 year old boys/men show that Trumpy type support is here for the long-term.

    The Woke don't realise that by sowing the wind, they reap the whirlwind.
    Ok, I didn't realise Tate was woke - I just thought criminal. Just my perception - I know almost nothing about the case and the little I do know makes me sure that I don't want to know more.
    My sister had to explain the concepts of rape and human trafficking to her two boys, aged 9 and 10, when Tate was arrested. They knew who he was, and didn’t understand why he was suddenly a bad one.
    A man that sparks conversations of all the bad things seems like a bad man to me.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,205
    I think this must be a record for the longest I’ve been posting on an old thread before realising there’s a new one.

    Those if you on this new thread missed Pagan’s inspired and unanswerable takedown of the Lib Dems.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,314

    Trump's 'base' is immovable. He literally could shoot and kill someone on 5th Avenue and they'd still vote for him. They are that wilfully blind.

    However the base on its own isn't enough to get him past the finish line. He needs the - admittedly diminishing - strata of independents and centrists. A criminal trial is hardly going to endear him to them more than in 2020. That said, Biden's age and potential increasing infirmity due to it is going to worry a lot of people too. Not that they'll vote for the (alleged) felon but they might just sit on their hands. Biden has to know this, but then the Dems have hardly got an obvious star in the wings waiting Biden to step aside to land the vacancy. Kamala is simply not that inspiring and she too would just have people she needs sitting on their hands. Trump could get in by just the skin of his teeth again. And then we really do have a problem.

    I fully expect that Trump is going to be losing the indies. Not only by his own actions, but by the vomit-inducing rhetoric his supporters will come out with. Especially as this is happening at Easter. The notion of him being "crucified" will feature large, I reckon.

    US politics is so finely balanced, he can't afford to lose anybody in his voter coalition.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,771

    Nigelb said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    I'd put Biden in the top quartile of President since WWII, so that's mince, IMO.
    there have been 13 presidents since 1945. Top quartile is 3. So who have you excluded. Truman, JFK, Reagan, Clinton ?

    Personally I think Obama called him right,
    I'd rank LBJ and even Obama ahead of him as well as all those you mention. I think the report card reads, not as bad as feared and occasionally effective.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,314

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    You missed a category:

    Anti-woke posters with far too much time on their hands: 1.
    Its quite funny how The Herd know exactly who they are and willingly self-identify.
    I think in general we all play quite nicely on here. We don't need some self-identifying straight down the middle non-partisan to categorise us as left, right, up or down.
    Yeah, sure.

    You're still one of the Labour Herd though.
    Owls?
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,205

    Trump's 'base' is immovable. He literally could shoot and kill someone on 5th Avenue and they'd still vote for him. They are that wilfully blind.

    However the base on its own isn't enough to get him past the finish line. He needs the - admittedly diminishing - strata of independents and centrists. A criminal trial is hardly going to endear him to them more than in 2020. That said, Biden's age and potential increasing infirmity due to it is going to worry a lot of people too. Not that they'll vote for the (alleged) felon but they might just sit on their hands. Biden has to know this, but then the Dems have hardly got an obvious star in the wings waiting Biden to step aside to land the vacancy. Kamala is simply not that inspiring and she too would just have people she needs sitting on their hands. Trump could get in by just the skin of his teeth again. And then we really do have a problem.

    I fully expect that Trump is going to be losing the indies. Not only by his own actions, but by the vomit-inducing rhetoric his supporters will come out with. Especially as this is happening at Easter. The notion of him being "crucified" will feature large, I reckon.

    US politics is so finely balanced, he can't afford to lose anybody in his voter coalition.
    I mean he lost the popular vote by millions last time, and didn’t even win it in 2016, so his electoral appeal does seem rather limited at the best of times.

    I’d have thought the same is true of RDS too, when push comes to shove.
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    TresTres Posts: 2,295

    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    I like the like button. I like it when people like my posts. But I've never checked who has liked my post, partly because I don't know how to, but mainly because that would be nuts.
    It's like admitting to masturbation.
    you'll never have a healthy sex life if you don't admit to masturbation
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,521
    DavidL said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    So 46 Labour, LD or Nat and only 41 Tory or centre right, PB now leans left/liberal, even more in terms of regular posters
    No such thing as a liberal right winger, then, in your Weltanschauung, let alone a right-wing Scottish Independista.
    Ahem, I would claim to be the former and @malcolmg is a good example of the latter.
    Just so.
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    TimSTimS Posts: 10,205

    REGULAR PB POSTER ANALYSIS

    Labour Herd 15
    Intel Labour/centre-left 18
    LD 7
    Nats 6
    Neutral 19
    Tory /Tory leaning 23
    Centre-right 18

    Total: 106 posters

    Histogram analysis shows the first two categories post more than the last two in the ratio of about 60:40 or 65:35, depending (roughly) on how well/badly the Tories are doing at the time.

    You missed a category:

    Anti-woke posters with far too much time on their hands: 1.
    Its quite funny how The Herd know exactly who they are and willingly self-identify.
    I think in general we all play quite nicely on here. We don't need some self-identifying straight down the middle non-partisan to categorise us as left, right, up or down.
    Yeah, sure.

    You're still one of the Labour Herd though.
    Owls?
    There needs to be a contrarian / horseshoe effect category.

    I assume we’re not counting the friends that turn up on Saturday mornings to educate us on Russia and vaccinations?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,687

    Nigelb said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    I'd put Biden in the top quartile of President since WWII, so that's mince, IMO.
    there have been 13 presidents since 1945. Top quartile is 3. So who have you excluded. Truman, JFK, Reagan, Clinton ?

    Personally I think Obama called him right,
    Reagan and Clinton.
    2nd Q.

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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,999
    Tres said:

    carnforth said:

    kjh said:

    This is what Trump does to you - I'm liking posts because I think they are good posts, but I don't really want to use the like button because they are about the potential of Trump winning in 2024 and I don't want to like that.

    Am I the only person who never used the like button? I've just never seen the point, and I've never looked at my own likes. I'm not even old, I just don't get it.
    I like the like button. I like it when people like my posts. But I've never checked who has liked my post, partly because I don't know how to, but mainly because that would be nuts.
    It's like admitting to masturbation.
    you'll never have a healthy sex life if you don't admit to masturbation
    You just had to toss that one out there, didn't you?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,782
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sky and BBC have been following his motorcade to his plane and take off, and it is a relief they cannot fly alongside his plane as they would fly alongside him to New York if they could, but of course they will pick it up again when he arrives in New Your later this evening and travels to Trump Towers

    I dread Trump standing in 24 but it does seem he is playing a dangerous game with the US voters and if he does become a martyr for his cause who knows what happens in 24

    Biden v Trump is enough to depress the whole of the western world

    Surely America can do better than this

    I'd put Biden in the top quartile of President since WWII, so that's mince, IMO.
    there have been 13 presidents since 1945. Top quartile is 3. So who have you excluded. Truman, JFK, Reagan, Clinton ?

    Personally I think Obama called him right,
    I think the report card reads, not as bad as feared and occasionally effective.
    Without wishing to fall into a 'politicians used to be so much better' trap, that report card might be considered pretty top notch compared to so many of the other options out there.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 56,429
    TimS said:

    I think this must be a record for the longest I’ve been posting on an old thread before realising there’s a new one.

    Those if you on this new thread missed Pagan’s inspired and unanswerable takedown of the Lib Dems.

    I love the way someone flagged his anti Lib Dem MP post.
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