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The local elections could be tainted – politicalbetting.com

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edited March 2023 in General
The local elections could be tainted – politicalbetting.com

Chaos could hit English local elections because of ‘too strict’ photo ID for voters https://t.co/akcH49lxeN

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  • Right now, my estimates for the GE are:

    Labour: 300-400 seats
    Tories 100-275 seats
    Lib Dems: 20+ seats
    Greens: 1 seat
    Reform: 0 seats
    SNP: 30-45 seats
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Third. Like the last book in a trilogy. A trilogy being where the quote “The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came” appears.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    First….in this thread, to observe that Leon is a knob.
  • Is there anything this government hasn't screwed up?
  • Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    edited February 2023
    DougSeal said:

    Third. Like the last book in a trilogy. A trilogy being where the quote “The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came” appears.

    Er, one wouldn't say 'to whither' (unless one was a bloody owl of course).

    Likewise one wouldn't say 'from whence', unless it was necessary for euphony [edit] or stress.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,265
    DougSeal said:

    Completely OT but I hope C4’s g

    'It all depends on the DUP.'

    I'm sorry but is the United Kingdom going to be hidebound to a party that got 21% of the vote in the last Northern Ireland election and 244,128 at the last general election. Now you might say there are other unionists voices too who may actually be more hardline than the DUP on the Protocol. Fine, then why aren't they part of the conversation too?

    Yes we are because…reasons…
    We are, because everyone involved (Ireland, north, south, U.K. gov, Irish gov) signed up to the Good Friday deal.

    This explicitly and carefully gave a veto to the largest party on each side of The Divide in Northern Ireland.

    This apparently was AOK when SF wanted to halt the peace process because some officious police officer was investigating murders too enthusiastically or whatever.

    The Unionist leaders were supposed, it seems , to deliver their parties consent to whatever SF needed. And get not much for it.

    Now the DUP have wised up and are playing the same game as SF - Give us what we want, fuck over the others and if you don’t, there may be accidents.

    Lord Trimble warned about this a decade back. He was told to shut up for his trouble.

    1) advertise for face-eating leopards.
    2) hire some face-eating leopards.
    3) reward the most enthusiastically face-eating leopards.
    4) congratulate them on their face eating
    5) give the leopards who don’t eat faces nothing.
    6) wonder why you are up to your nuts in face-eating leopards.
  • Is there anything this government hasn't screwed up?

    Classic example of a cure for which there is no known disease, isn't it?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Ron DeSantis is a shit, who has moved on from throwing minorities under the bus to entire nations.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/ron-desantis-supported-ukraine-russia-kfile/index.html

    A traitor to the West.
  • https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1629844346802405377

    Sunak and Starmer Similarities/Differences (23 February):

    Majorities of British voters think Sunak and Starmer are different from each other in terms of their...

    Personalities (67%)
    Policies (59%)
    Upbringings (59%)
    Principles & Values (59%)
    Professional experiences (52%)

    ---

    Sunak vs Starmer on policy:

    A majority of voters think Sunak and Starmer have similar policies on Ukraine (56%)

    44% think they have similar policies on the pandemic and relations with the United States.

    59% think they have different policies on the NHS and taxation.

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1629844361201451008
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited February 2023
    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Third. Like the last book in a trilogy. A trilogy being where the quote “The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came” appears.

    Er, one wouldn't say 'to whither' (unless one was a bloody owl of course).

    Likewise one wouldn't say 'from whence', unless it was necessary for euphony [edit] or stress.
    Let them be whipp'd through every market town till they come to Berwick, from whence they came - Shakespeare, Henry VI, part 2, 1592

    … Sittingbourne, from whence we had a famous pair of horses …— Jane Austen, letter, 24 Oct. 1798

    …addressed to this place, from whence it will be forwarded to me …— Lord Byron, letter, 31 Aug. 1809

    If it’s good enough for Shakespeare, Byron, Austen, Tolkien and The Book of Common Prayer, then it’s good enough for me.
  • https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1629851276883423232

    How much do Britons think a new Government led by Keir Starmer would change the current Government’s policies? (23 February)

    A significant amount 29%
    A fair amount 42%
    A slight amount 17%
    Nothing at all 12%
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Third. Like the last book in a trilogy. A trilogy being where the quote “The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came” appears.

    Er, one wouldn't say 'to whither' (unless one was a bloody owl of course).

    Likewise one wouldn't say 'from whence', unless it was necessary for euphony [edit] or stress.
    Is it a book quote or a movie quote?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    “Debunked”

    “Now that the U.S. Department of Energy has joined FBI in concluding that the coronavirus likely leaked from a lab, it’s worth remembering that the media, en masse, condemned the lab leak theory as a “debunked conspiracy theory,” and Facebook censored people who dared suggest it”

    “It’s clear that the scientists who claimed in Lancet, on Feb 19, 2020, “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” were misrepresenting their unfounded opinion as a scientific fact.”

    https://twitter.com/shellenbergermd/status/1629849975449608192?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Jeremy Farrar, ex head of the Wellcome Trust, signed that absolutely fraudulent and mendacious Lancet letter. He knew it was a pack of lies

    Why isn’t he on trial?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,265
    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Third. Like the last book in a trilogy. A trilogy being where the quote “The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came” appears.

    Er, one wouldn't say 'to whither' (unless one was a bloody owl of course).

    Likewise one wouldn't say 'from whence', unless it was necessary for euphony [edit] or stress.
    Let them be whipp'd through every market town till they come to Berwick, from whence they came.— Shakespeare, Henry VI, part 2, 1592

    … Sittingbourne, from whence we had a famous pair of horses … — Jane Austen, letter, 24 Oct. 1798

    … addressed to this place, from whence it will be forwarded to me … — Lord Byron, letter, 31 Aug. 1809

    If it’s good enough for Shakespeare, Byron, Austen, Tolkien and The Book of Common Prayer, then it’s good enough for me.
    Should we call Prevent?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,100
    It's all been gone over before of course - stricter rules are relatively popular in abstract, but the measures are disproportionate the problem they are supposed to address and less attention has been paid a more easily manipulated area, and even though there are mitigations for those without standard IDs, it all seems like a lot of effort for not much gain.

    Officials have worked very hard to make sure people know, but millions will still have no clue, and that could well include lots of elderly Tories.

    The party is going to be whalloped in May and I doubt this will help. Sunak will survive, if the Boris faction are unable to capitalise on NI in advance.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.

    Looking like a 2 horse race, isn't it, and could be close. Wish you had a slightly stronger candidate from the progressive/left side of the party to vote for. Ah well.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,265

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1629844346802405377

    Sunak and Starmer Similarities/Differences (23 February):

    Majorities of British voters think Sunak and Starmer are different from each other in terms of their...

    Personalities (67%)
    Policies (59%)
    Upbringings (59%)
    Principles & Values (59%)
    Professional experiences (52%)

    ---

    Sunak vs Starmer on policy:

    A majority of voters think Sunak and Starmer have similar policies on Ukraine (56%)

    44% think they have similar policies on the pandemic and relations with the United States.

    59% think they have different policies on the NHS and taxation.

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1629844361201451008

    The biggest difference they have, in actuality, is probably the parties behind them.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,831

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    At a party I was at last night Ash Regan was being described as Salmond's representative on earth. They seem genuinely close so this would be no surprise. Of course Regan winning would be.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Third. Like the last book in a trilogy. A trilogy being where the quote “The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came” appears.

    Er, one wouldn't say 'to whither' (unless one was a bloody owl of course).

    Likewise one wouldn't say 'from whence', unless it was necessary for euphony [edit] or stress.
    Let them be whipp'd through every market town till they come to Berwick, from whence they came - Shakespeare, Henry VI, part 2, 1592

    … Sittingbourne, from whence we had a famous pair of horses …— Jane Austen, letter, 24 Oct. 1798

    …addressed to this place, from whence it will be forwarded to me …— Lord Byron, letter, 31 Aug. 1809

    If it’s good enough for Shakespeare, Byron, Austen, Tolkien and The Book of Common Prayer, then it’s good enough for me.
    With that sort of attitude, it's a wonder you ever got out of the water in the first place, never mind evolved to become a seal.

    https://www.sciencephoto.com/media/843780/view/acanthostega-and-ichthyostega-tetrapods-illustration
  • Is there anything this government hasn't screwed up?

    Classic example of a cure for which there is no known disease, isn't it?
    Once you figure out that everything they do is for themselves and their donors rather than for the country it all makes a lot more sense.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,100
    Problem with going on about political issues all the time is you start to see its themes and even precise comments in everything. I've been reading some Arthur C Clarke short stories today, and for two in a row published in 1954 there were statements I felt sure I'd read on PB very recently.

    On the world ending, in No Morning After

    It would be the best thing that could possibly happen. Yes, it would save a whole lot of misery. No one would have to worry about the Russians and the atom bomb and the high cost of living.

    On taxation policy, in Armaments Race

    There's a British film industy?

    Sure there is. It's in a very flourishing condition too. The government piles on an entertainments tax that drives it to bankruptcy, then keeps it alive with whacking big grants. That's the way we do things in this country.
  • DavidL said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    At a party I was at last night Ash Regan was being described as Salmond's representative on earth. They seem genuinely close so this would be no surprise. Of course Regan winning would be.
    Cat fight between her and Tasmina then..
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    WillG said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Third. Like the last book in a trilogy. A trilogy being where the quote “The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came” appears.

    Er, one wouldn't say 'to whither' (unless one was a bloody owl of course).

    Likewise one wouldn't say 'from whence', unless it was necessary for euphony [edit] or stress.
    Is it a book quote or a movie quote?
    The owl? No idea.
  • Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Excellent!

    Now all we have to do is have is have it confirmed that Truss surprised o the upside and your reputation is sealed.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Excellent!

    Now all we have to do is have is have it confirmed that Truss surprised o the upside and your reputation is sealed.
    How can Leon be right about everything if AI is so much superior?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,497
    kinabalu said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.

    Looking like a 2 horse race, isn't it, and could be close. Wish you had a slightly stronger candidate from the progressive/left side of the party to vote for. Ah well.
    Forbes now 11/10 with Hills. 4/1 only a few day ago.
    She is the one out of the three who looks like a winner.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Cracking goal
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,583
    HYUFD said:

    The only “solution” I can th

    HYUFD said:

    Do I understand correctly that Steve Baker is expected to resign?

    It does look like about 100-150 Conservative MPs, the bulk of them ERG, could vote against any deal which extends ECJ jurisdiction to Great Britain and Steve Baker would leave the Government, maybe Braverman and Raab too
    Big prediction.
    That would end the Rishi premiership.
    It wouldn't provided 200 Tory MPs still voted for the deal and backed Rishi.

    For Starmer has said Labour will vote with the Government to pass the NI deal and 200 Tory MPs behind him is sufficient for Rishi to defeat the likely VONC that would follow in his leadership
    He should make a vote for his deal a vote of confidence.
    "If you don't support the government you lose the whip and any chance of standing as a Tory MP at the next election."
    Would that work?
  • Despite a slight PR tinge of let's humanise Shapps, this inspires the weird sensation of thinking well of him.
    He also has a pilot's licence I believe, I hope this doesn't cause Dura Ace too much pain.

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1629853013207597059?s=20
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Excellent!

    Now all we have to do is have is have it confirmed that Truss surprised o the upside and your reputation is sealed.
    And that Kari Lake really did win in Arizona, although in fairness he did reverse quicker than an Italian tank with that prediction.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,831

    DavidL said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    At a party I was at last night Ash Regan was being described as Salmond's representative on earth. They seem genuinely close so this would be no surprise. Of course Regan winning would be.
    Cat fight between her and Tasmina then..
    But Tasmina, like Salmond himself, is no longer at Holyrood.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,100
    Not being immersed in such matters, I did find this piece on a little history of trade union mergers quite interesting.

    https://www.thesocialreview.co.uk/2023/02/26/two-become-one-how-mergers-affect-the-trade-union-movement/
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,497

    Is there anything this government hasn't screwed up?

    Classic example of a cure for which there is no known disease, isn't it?
    Once you figure out that everything they do is for themselves and their donors rather than for the country it all makes a lot more sense.
    If this government stays on current course the same millions of little old ladies who queued up early and often to save us from Corbyn in 2017 will be queuing up, fumbling for their bus passes and co-op cards, to vote SKS and friends in.

  • 🔺EXCLUSIVE. Approval ratings for SNP contenders from latest @Panelbase poll of voters in Scotland. Forbes: +14. Regan: +3. Yousaf: minus 16.

    https://twitter.com/SundayTimesSco/status/1629792244109651968
  • Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    The only “solution” I can th

    HYUFD said:

    Do I understand correctly that Steve Baker is expected to resign?

    It does look like about 100-150 Conservative MPs, the bulk of them ERG, could vote against any deal which extends ECJ jurisdiction to Great Britain and Steve Baker would leave the Government, maybe Braverman and Raab too
    Big prediction.
    That would end the Rishi premiership.
    It wouldn't provided 200 Tory MPs still voted for the deal and backed Rishi.

    For Starmer has said Labour will vote with the Government to pass the NI deal and 200 Tory MPs behind him is sufficient for Rishi to defeat the likely VONC that would follow in his leadership
    He should make a vote for his deal a vote of confidence.
    "If you don't support the government you lose the whip and any chance of standing as a Tory MP at the next election."
    Would that work?
    Probably, but at what cost?

    As the reselection rumblings are showing, the Conservative Party at large still pines for Boris- both the man and the politics he represents. That's obviously insane, but there you go. To remove the whip from those who don't back the government is technically possible, and might not kill Rishi's ability to get stuff through the Commons. But the response from the Conservative movement would be a terrible thing to see.

    (It's why Boris got away with the deselection tactic in 2019- he was doing what the Spirit Of The Party wanted. Major just about got away with a limited form of the same and May couldn't dare, because then it would have gone against the grain of the party.)
  • algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.

    Looking like a 2 horse race, isn't it, and could be close. Wish you had a slightly stronger candidate from the progressive/left side of the party to vote for. Ah well.
    Forbes now 11/10 with Hills. 4/1 only a few day ago.
    She is the one out of the three who looks like a winner.

    Ordained by God?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,100

    🔺EXCLUSIVE. Approval ratings for SNP contenders from latest @Panelbase poll of voters in Scotland. Forbes: +14. Regan: +3. Yousaf: minus 16.

    https://twitter.com/SundayTimesSco/status/1629792244109651968

    Yikes, bit of a disparity. I assume all voters, so Yousaf might argue he gets a poor rating from people who want less able candidates to take over instead of him. Or they have far more DKs?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,100
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Excellent!

    Now all we have to do is have is have it confirmed that Truss surprised o the upside and your reputation is sealed.
    And that Kari Lake really did win in Arizona, although in fairness he did reverse quicker than an Italian tank with that prediction.
    Hey, until her final legal case finishes she might yet be declared the winner! (She won't, apparentely she isn't even submitting evidence at the appeals, not sure how she even is allowed to file).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,100
    Go for Scotland, I feel like this is their year.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,497

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.

    Looking like a 2 horse race, isn't it, and could be close. Wish you had a slightly stronger candidate from the progressive/left side of the party to vote for. Ah well.
    Forbes now 11/10 with Hills. 4/1 only a few day ago.
    She is the one out of the three who looks like a winner.

    Ordained by God?
    I think you will find that one the things that the Pope and KF agree on is that she can't be ordained.

    I am interested in how the Wee Frees see her on the Kinder, Küche, Kirche front.


  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Excellent!

    Now all we have to do is have is have it confirmed that Truss surprised o the upside and your reputation is sealed.
    Truss did surprise on the upside- I expected her to be even worse then she turned out to be and that she would try to cling on for a few more months.
  • Ok, a bit of hush now while I focus on the brave and noble Scots humiliating the pathetic garlic-eating frogs.

    Laters.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,831

    🔺EXCLUSIVE. Approval ratings for SNP contenders from latest @Panelbase poll of voters in Scotland. Forbes: +14. Regan: +3. Yousaf: minus 16.

    https://twitter.com/SundayTimesSco/status/1629792244109651968

    I think that is not their overall approval ratings but their net ratings for how they performed as Ministers. How Useless got as high a net score as -16 is a fairly profound mystery.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    C’mon Scotland. Humble the Frogs at home
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.

    Looking like a 2 horse race, isn't it, and could be close. Wish you had a slightly stronger candidate from the progressive/left side of the party to vote for. Ah well.
    Forbes now 11/10 with Hills. 4/1 only a few day ago.
    She is the one out of the three who looks like a winner.
    As in the one with the most potential 'x factor' and electoral appeal? - I agree based on what I've seen (although that's not a great deal). Interesting if she does get the gig. I view the SNP as progressive left of centre (more so than Labour in many ways tbh) but when I analyse why, it's because of Sturgeon. If she's replaced by a leader with conservative values it's bound to change the party. Seems to create more space for SLAB, but whether this is good for them depends on what they do in the space. Hopefully it'll be a funky groove not dad dancing.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433
    edited February 2023
    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another lab leak update: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

    Thought I'd liven PB up a bit this afternoon ;)

    Oh no! Even Brexit's better than that. In fact Brexit is good as long as we focus on how best to mitigate the mistake rather than why we made it in the first place. The latter just brings out the same old defence lines from Leavers.

    The Remain campaign was too negative. Mrs May's fabulous compromise was torpedoed by Remainer MPs. Or alternatively Mrs May WAS a Remainer hence couldn't do Brexit properly as witnessed by her shit deal. Then somebody - and it's not always Morris - will track further back and start to mutter about the 'Lisbon Treaty'.

    Etc. Common theme - Brexit is the fault of the people who opposed it. The song never changes, neither tune nor lyrics, and it's not a classic - so best to leave it in the sleeve imo.
    I actually agree with @kinabalu largely here. It would be good if we can get past old Brexit arguments and speak a lot more about positive future changes. I am also willing to listen without prejudice to future changes that involve [compromises with / a closer relationship with] ROEU. But in return, are you prepared to listen without prejudice to solutions and future changes that involve further divergence from ROEU, or programmes and initiatives that are only possible outside the EU? This question goes to all of our fervent remainer friends.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    DougSeal said:

    Third. Like the last book in a trilogy. A trilogy being where the quote “The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came” appears.

    The Lord of the Rings isn't a trilogy. It's a single book in three volumes.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another lab leak update: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

    Thought I'd liven PB up a bit this afternoon ;)

    Oh no! Even Brexit's better than that. In fact Brexit is good as long as we focus on how best to mitigate the mistake rather than why we made it in the first place. The latter just brings out the same old defence lines from Leavers.

    The Remain campaign was too negative. Mrs May's fabulous compromise was torpedoed by Remainer MPs. Or alternatively Mrs May WAS a Remainer hence couldn't do Brexit properly as witnessed by her shit deal. Then somebody - and it's not always Morris - will track further back and start to mutter about the 'Lisbon Treaty'.

    Etc. Common theme - Brexit is the fault of the people who opposed it. The song never changes, neither tune nor lyrics, and it's not a classic - so best to leave it in the sleeve imo.
    I actually agree with @kinabalu largely here. It would be good if we can get past old Brexit arguments and speak a lot more about positive future changes. I am also willing to listen without prejudice to future changes that involve [compromises with / a closer relationship with] ROEU. But in return, are you prepared to listen without prejudice to solutions and future changes that involve further divergence from ROEU, or programmes and initiatives that are only possible outside the EU? This question goes to all of our fervent remainer friends.
    No.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433
    Dura_Ace said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another lab leak update: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

    Thought I'd liven PB up a bit this afternoon ;)

    Oh no! Even Brexit's better than that. In fact Brexit is good as long as we focus on how best to mitigate the mistake rather than why we made it in the first place. The latter just brings out the same old defence lines from Leavers.

    The Remain campaign was too negative. Mrs May's fabulous compromise was torpedoed by Remainer MPs. Or alternatively Mrs May WAS a Remainer hence couldn't do Brexit properly as witnessed by her shit deal. Then somebody - and it's not always Morris - will track further back and start to mutter about the 'Lisbon Treaty'.

    Etc. Common theme - Brexit is the fault of the people who opposed it. The song never changes, neither tune nor lyrics, and it's not a classic - so best to leave it in the sleeve imo.
    I actually agree with @kinabalu largely here. It would be good if we can get past old Brexit arguments and speak a lot more about positive future changes. I am also willing to listen without prejudice to future changes that involve [compromises with / a closer relationship with] ROEU. But in return, are you prepared to listen without prejudice to solutions and future changes that involve further divergence from ROEU, or programmes and initiatives that are only possible outside the EU? This question goes to all of our fervent remainer friends.
    No.
    A common answer I suspect, if people are honest.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Oh. Lol
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    Despite a slight PR tinge of let's humanise Shapps, this inspires the weird sensation of thinking well of him.
    He also has a pilot's licence I believe, I hope this doesn't cause Dura Ace too much pain.

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1629853013207597059?s=20

    To add to this strange and slightly uncomfortable 'Shapps not terrible' vibe - his cousin was in The Clash.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    edited February 2023

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    How would she square resigning over the GRA 'negatively affecting the dignity and safety of women and girls' with letting a self-confessed sexual predator into the SNP? She must have been misquoted, surely?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    kle4 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Excellent!

    Now all we have to do is have is have it confirmed that Truss surprised o the upside and your reputation is sealed.
    And that Kari Lake really did win in Arizona, although in fairness he did reverse quicker than an Italian tank with that prediction.
    Hey, until her final legal case finishes she might yet be declared the winner! (She won't, apparentely she isn't even submitting evidence at the appeals, not sure how she even is allowed to file).
    One sort of hopes she wins (I don't) because Leon reversed his prediction. That would be quite a record to predict both a win and a loss and get it wrong both times.
  • algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.

    Looking like a 2 horse race, isn't it, and could be close. Wish you had a slightly stronger candidate from the progressive/left side of the party to vote for. Ah well.
    Forbes now 11/10 with Hills. 4/1 only a few day ago.
    She is the one out of the three who looks like a winner.

    Ordained by God?
    I think you will find that one the things that the Pope and KF agree on is that she can't be ordained.

    I am interested in how the Wee Frees see her on the Kinder, Küche, Kirche front.


    Their beliefs dont make them correct though, perhaps God has a different view?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    Sent off. Quite right too.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another lab leak update: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

    Thought I'd liven PB up a bit this afternoon ;)

    Oh no! Even Brexit's better than that. In fact Brexit is good as long as we focus on how best to mitigate the mistake rather than why we made it in the first place. The latter just brings out the same old defence lines from Leavers.

    The Remain campaign was too negative. Mrs May's fabulous compromise was torpedoed by Remainer MPs. Or alternatively Mrs May WAS a Remainer hence couldn't do Brexit properly as witnessed by her shit deal. Then somebody - and it's not always Morris - will track further back and start to mutter about the 'Lisbon Treaty'.

    Etc. Common theme - Brexit is the fault of the people who opposed it. The song never changes, neither tune nor lyrics, and it's not a classic - so best to leave it in the sleeve imo.
    I actually agree with @kinabalu largely here. It would be good if we can get past old Brexit arguments and speak a lot more about positive future changes. I am also willing to listen without prejudice to future changes that involve [compromises with / a closer relationship with] ROEU. But in return, are you prepared to listen without prejudice to solutions and future changes that involve further divergence from ROEU, or programmes and initiatives that are only possible outside the EU? This question goes to all of our fervent remainer friends.
    That's such a worrying opening sentence. I am lost.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,265
    Dura_Ace said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another lab leak update: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

    Thought I'd liven PB up a bit this afternoon ;)

    Oh no! Even Brexit's better than that. In fact Brexit is good as long as we focus on how best to mitigate the mistake rather than why we made it in the first place. The latter just brings out the same old defence lines from Leavers.

    The Remain campaign was too negative. Mrs May's fabulous compromise was torpedoed by Remainer MPs. Or alternatively Mrs May WAS a Remainer hence couldn't do Brexit properly as witnessed by her shit deal. Then somebody - and it's not always Morris - will track further back and start to mutter about the 'Lisbon Treaty'.

    Etc. Common theme - Brexit is the fault of the people who opposed it. The song never changes, neither tune nor lyrics, and it's not a classic - so best to leave it in the sleeve imo.
    I actually agree with @kinabalu largely here. It would be good if we can get past old Brexit arguments and speak a lot more about positive future changes. I am also willing to listen without prejudice to future changes that involve [compromises with / a closer relationship with] ROEU. But in return, are you prepared to listen without prejudice to solutions and future changes that involve further divergence from ROEU, or programmes and initiatives that are only possible outside the EU? This question goes to all of our fervent remainer friends.
    No.
    Dura_Ace said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another lab leak update: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

    Thought I'd liven PB up a bit this afternoon ;)

    Oh no! Even Brexit's better than that. In fact Brexit is good as long as we focus on how best to mitigate the mistake rather than why we made it in the first place. The latter just brings out the same old defence lines from Leavers.

    The Remain campaign was too negative. Mrs May's fabulous compromise was torpedoed by Remainer MPs. Or alternatively Mrs May WAS a Remainer hence couldn't do Brexit properly as witnessed by her shit deal. Then somebody - and it's not always Morris - will track further back and start to mutter about the 'Lisbon Treaty'.

    Etc. Common theme - Brexit is the fault of the people who opposed it. The song never changes, neither tune nor lyrics, and it's not a classic - so best to leave it in the sleeve imo.
    I actually agree with @kinabalu largely here. It would be good if we can get past old Brexit arguments and speak a lot more about positive future changes. I am also willing to listen without prejudice to future changes that involve [compromises with / a closer relationship with] ROEU. But in return, are you prepared to listen without prejudice to solutions and future changes that involve further divergence from ROEU, or programmes and initiatives that are only possible outside the EU? This question goes to all of our fervent remainer friends.
    No.
    “They had learned nothing and forgotten nothing.”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    How to ruin a match in the first 10 minutes
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another lab leak update: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

    Thought I'd liven PB up a bit this afternoon ;)

    Oh no! Even Brexit's better than that. In fact Brexit is good as long as we focus on how best to mitigate the mistake rather than why we made it in the first place. The latter just brings out the same old defence lines from Leavers.

    The Remain campaign was too negative. Mrs May's fabulous compromise was torpedoed by Remainer MPs. Or alternatively Mrs May WAS a Remainer hence couldn't do Brexit properly as witnessed by her shit deal. Then somebody - and it's not always Morris - will track further back and start to mutter about the 'Lisbon Treaty'.

    Etc. Common theme - Brexit is the fault of the people who opposed it. The song never changes, neither tune nor lyrics, and it's not a classic - so best to leave it in the sleeve imo.
    I actually agree with @kinabalu largely here. It would be good if we can get past old Brexit arguments and speak a lot more about positive future changes. I am also willing to listen without prejudice to future changes that involve [compromises with / a closer relationship with] ROEU. But in return, are you prepared to listen without prejudice to solutions and future changes that involve further divergence from ROEU, or programmes and initiatives that are only possible outside the EU? This question goes to all of our fervent remainer friends.
    That's such a worrying opening sentence. I am lost.
    Have some smelling salts and answer the question.
  • Leon said:

    How to ruin a match in the first 10 minutes

    Feeble incompetent jocks failing again against skill and panache of the French sophisticates,
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,265
    ydoethur said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    How would she square resigning over the GRA 'negatively affecting the dignity and safety of women and girls' with letting a self-confessed sexual predator into the SNP? She must have been misquoted, surely?
    A minor politician can square a circle.

    An expert politician can cube multi-dimensional spheres, while juggling priceless eggs in variable gravity.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Leon said:

    How to ruin a match in the first 10 minutes

    Similar to what happened in England v Ireland last season. Surprisingly, England made a game of it for nearly 70 minutes before succumbing to the inevitable.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another lab leak update: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

    Thought I'd liven PB up a bit this afternoon ;)

    Oh no! Even Brexit's better than that. In fact Brexit is good as long as we focus on how best to mitigate the mistake rather than why we made it in the first place. The latter just brings out the same old defence lines from Leavers.

    The Remain campaign was too negative. Mrs May's fabulous compromise was torpedoed by Remainer MPs. Or alternatively Mrs May WAS a Remainer hence couldn't do Brexit properly as witnessed by her shit deal. Then somebody - and it's not always Morris - will track further back and start to mutter about the 'Lisbon Treaty'.

    Etc. Common theme - Brexit is the fault of the people who opposed it. The song never changes, neither tune nor lyrics, and it's not a classic - so best to leave it in the sleeve imo.
    I actually agree with @kinabalu largely here. It would be good if we can get past old Brexit arguments and speak a lot more about positive future changes. I am also willing to listen without prejudice to future changes that involve [compromises with / a closer relationship with] ROEU. But in return, are you prepared to listen without prejudice to solutions and future changes that involve further divergence from ROEU, or programmes and initiatives that are only possible outside the EU? This question goes to all of our fervent remainer friends.
    That's such a worrying opening sentence. I am lost.
    Have some smelling salts and answer the question.
    Listen without prejudice to ideas for improving this country that I love? Of course. Always.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    edited February 2023
    Another red card coming up !!

    That’s worse than the first one
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,265
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    Another lab leak update: https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-origin-china-lab-leak-807b7b0a

    Thought I'd liven PB up a bit this afternoon ;)

    Oh no! Even Brexit's better than that. In fact Brexit is good as long as we focus on how best to mitigate the mistake rather than why we made it in the first place. The latter just brings out the same old defence lines from Leavers.

    The Remain campaign was too negative. Mrs May's fabulous compromise was torpedoed by Remainer MPs. Or alternatively Mrs May WAS a Remainer hence couldn't do Brexit properly as witnessed by her shit deal. Then somebody - and it's not always Morris - will track further back and start to mutter about the 'Lisbon Treaty'.

    Etc. Common theme - Brexit is the fault of the people who opposed it. The song never changes, neither tune nor lyrics, and it's not a classic - so best to leave it in the sleeve imo.
    I actually agree with @kinabalu largely here. It would be good if we can get past old Brexit arguments and speak a lot more about positive future changes. I am also willing to listen without prejudice to future changes that involve [compromises with / a closer relationship with] ROEU. But in return, are you prepared to listen without prejudice to solutions and future changes that involve further divergence from ROEU, or programmes and initiatives that are only possible outside the EU? This question goes to all of our fervent remainer friends.
    That's such a worrying opening sentence. I am lost.
    My advice is to change you name and take ship on a tramp steamer to Singapore.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    ydoethur said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    How would she square resigning over the GRA 'negatively affecting the dignity and safety of women and girls' with letting a self-confessed sexual predator into the SNP? She must have been misquoted, surely?
    A minor politician can square a circle.

    An expert politician can cube multi-dimensional spheres, while juggling priceless eggs in variable gravity.
    While Blairing about their brilliance.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Ooooh
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    Taz said:

    Another red card coming up !!

    That’s worse than the first one

    A bit of a case of 'whoops, Ajockalypse?'
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,265
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    How would she square resigning over the GRA 'negatively affecting the dignity and safety of women and girls' with letting a self-confessed sexual predator into the SNP? She must have been misquoted, surely?
    A minor politician can square a circle.

    An expert politician can cube multi-dimensional spheres, while juggling priceless eggs in variable gravity.
    While Blairing about their brilliance.
    What a splendid verb.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    The ref was about to let that go
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    ydoethur said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    How would she square resigning over the GRA 'negatively affecting the dignity and safety of women and girls' with letting a self-confessed sexual predator into the SNP? She must have been misquoted, surely?
    'But asked whether she’d readmit Mr Salmond, she said: “If people want to join the SNP they are free to do that.”'

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Taz said:

    Another red card coming up !!

    That’s worse than the first one

    The second was much worse than the first
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,799
    *Do* the Tories do well out of postal voting? Admittedly thus is two decades out of date, but my recollection is that when compulsory postal voting was introduced for the European elections about 2003 ish in certain regions, Labour did disproportionately well in those regions.
    The Tories may get more postal hotes than Labour, but it does not follow from that that a crackdown on postal vote fraud would disproportuonately harm the Tories. We have no way of knowing what proportion of dodgy postal votes (DPVs) favour which party, though the anecdata suggests DPVs are most prevalent in heavily Labour areas like Towr Hamlets.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    edited February 2023
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    How would she square resigning over the GRA 'negatively affecting the dignity and safety of women and girls' with letting a self-confessed sexual predator into the SNP? She must have been misquoted, surely?
    'But asked whether she’d readmit Mr Salmond, she said: “If people want to join the SNP they are free to do that.”'

    Thanks.

    Hmm.

    Well, that's a far cry from the headline, but it was still rather a foolish thing to say. She could have said something about processes needing to be followed for any member expelled after bringing the party into disrepute and shut it down straight away.

    Without saying 'no' categorically.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concludeFWId that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Two US government agencies think on balance Covid likely originated in a lab leak. This one (Department of Energy) with "low confidence". Five other agencies think it had natural causes.

    FWIW I think with moderate confidence, but strictly on the evidence such as it is, think it had natural causes. I have more confidence in this than I had on a similar analysis that Saddam Hussein had no significant weapons of mass destruction.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    kjh said:

    kle4 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Excellent!

    Now all we have to do is have is have it confirmed that Truss surprised o the upside and your reputation is sealed.
    And that Kari Lake really did win in Arizona, although in fairness he did reverse quicker than an Italian tank with that prediction.
    Hey, until her final legal case finishes she might yet be declared the winner! (She won't, apparentely she isn't even submitting evidence at the appeals, not sure how she even is allowed to file).
    One sort of hopes she wins (I don't) because Leon reversed his prediction. That would be quite a record to predict both a win and a loss and get it wrong both times.
    1. I never made any prediction
    2. I was - by a vast distance - the first pb-er to say OOH look there’s a woman called Kari Lake and she’s interesting
    3. The only betting call I made was “bet on her opponent Hobbs at 5/1” when it was clearly a close two horse race - and that came good

    Otherwise, a brilliant point
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,662
    Leon said:

    “Debunked”

    “Now that the U.S. Department of Energy has joined FBI in concluding that the coronavirus likely leaked from a lab, it’s worth remembering that the media, en masse, condemned the lab leak theory as a “debunked conspiracy theory,” and Facebook censored people who dared suggest it”

    “It’s clear that the scientists who claimed in Lancet, on Feb 19, 2020, “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” were misrepresenting their unfounded opinion as a scientific fact.”

    https://twitter.com/shellenbergermd/status/1629849975449608192?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Jeremy Farrar, ex head of the Wellcome Trust, signed that absolutely fraudulent and mendacious Lancet letter. He knew it was a pack of lies

    Why isn’t he on trial?

    Meh, "natural" can cover all sorts of stuff though.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concludeFWId that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Two US government agencies think on balance Covid likely originated in a lab leak. This one (Department of Energy) with "low confidence". Five other agencies think it had natural causes.

    FWIW I think with moderate confidence, but strictly on the evidence such as it is, think it had natural causes. I have more confidence in this than I had on a similar analysis that Saddam Hussein had no significant weapons of mass destruction.
    Yes, but you’re an idiot

    If it wasn’t for me this site would still be blindly following the natural origin came-from-the-market bollocks, and decrying any doubters as “racist conspirators”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Ah that’s a shame. Game over. Again
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,662
    This is an annoying game.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    kle4 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Excellent!

    Now all we have to do is have is have it confirmed that Truss surprised o the upside and your reputation is sealed.
    And that Kari Lake really did win in Arizona, although in fairness he did reverse quicker than an Italian tank with that prediction.
    Hey, until her final legal case finishes she might yet be declared the winner! (She won't, apparentely she isn't even submitting evidence at the appeals, not sure how she even is allowed to file).
    One sort of hopes she wins (I don't) because Leon reversed his prediction. That would be quite a record to predict both a win and a loss and get it wrong both times.
    1. I never made any prediction
    2. I was - by a vast distance - the first pb-er to say OOH look there’s a woman called Kari Lake and she’s interesting
    3. The only betting call I made was “bet on her opponent Hobbs at 5/1” when it was clearly a close two horse race - and that came good

    Otherwise, a brilliant point
    Yeah but the wind up worked didn't it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    “Debunked”

    “Now that the U.S. Department of Energy has joined FBI in concluding that the coronavirus likely leaked from a lab, it’s worth remembering that the media, en masse, condemned the lab leak theory as a “debunked conspiracy theory,” and Facebook censored people who dared suggest it”

    “It’s clear that the scientists who claimed in Lancet, on Feb 19, 2020, “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” were misrepresenting their unfounded opinion as a scientific fact.”

    https://twitter.com/shellenbergermd/status/1629849975449608192?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Jeremy Farrar, ex head of the Wellcome Trust, signed that absolutely fraudulent and mendacious Lancet letter. He knew it was a pack of lies

    Why isn’t he on trial?

    Meh, "natural" can cover all sorts of stuff though.
    Farrar signed a letter coordinated and composed by peter Daszak, Co-head of virological research at the Wuhan lab, a letter which claimed the signatories had “no conflict of interest” and never mentioned these links to the Wuhan lab. Many other signatories had similar undisclosed links

    Farrar knew all this. And signed anyway

    Moreover, he signed this email about 5 days after he disclosed in private emails that he was “50/50” on lab leak and in which described the low level biosecurity at Wuhan as “Wild West”

    What is the point in arguing this?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433
    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concludeFWId that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Two US government agencies think on balance Covid likely originated in a lab leak. This one (Department of Energy) with "low confidence". Five other agencies think it had natural causes.

    FWIW I think with moderate confidence, but strictly on the evidence such as it is, think it had natural causes. I have more confidence in this than I had on a similar analysis that Saddam Hussein had no significant weapons of mass destruction.
    And you believe that this extraordinary natural event, resulting in a deadly and transmissible coronavirus with 'a unique furin cleavage site' happened yards from a laboratory studying how to make Coronaviruses more deadly and more transmissible by altering the furin cleavage site. I don't think you do believe that. I don't think anyone capable of rational thought believes it. I think you're maintaining a polite if ludicrous pretense because you feel beholden to adopting a stance supportive to the USA.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    🔺EXCLUSIVE. Approval ratings for SNP contenders from latest @Panelbase poll of voters in Scotland. Forbes: +14. Regan: +3. Yousaf: minus 16.

    https://twitter.com/SundayTimesSco/status/1629792244109651968

    Unionist parties, especially the SCons, are praying for Yousaf to win the SNP leadership.

    Not only would he lose lots of SNP seats at the next UK general election, he would likely be beaten by Sarwar to the FM role at the next Holyrood election too
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    kle4 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Excellent!

    Now all we have to do is have is have it confirmed that Truss surprised o the upside and your reputation is sealed.
    And that Kari Lake really did win in Arizona, although in fairness he did reverse quicker than an Italian tank with that prediction.
    Hey, until her final legal case finishes she might yet be declared the winner! (She won't, apparentely she isn't even submitting evidence at the appeals, not sure how she even is allowed to file).
    One sort of hopes she wins (I don't) because Leon reversed his prediction. That would be quite a record to predict both a win and a loss and get it wrong both times.
    1. I never made any prediction
    2. I was - by a vast distance - the first pb-er to say OOH look there’s a woman called Kari Lake and she’s interesting
    3. The only betting call I made was “bet on her opponent Hobbs at 5/1” when it was clearly a close two horse race - and that came good

    Otherwise, a brilliant point
    Yeah but the wind up worked didn't it.
    Lol. Fair
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited February 2023
    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Third. Like the last book in a trilogy. A trilogy being where the quote “The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came” appears.

    Er, one wouldn't say 'to whither' (unless one was a bloody owl of course).

    Likewise one wouldn't say 'from whence', unless it was necessary for euphony [edit] or stress.
    Let them be whipp'd through every market town till they come to Berwick, from whence they came - Shakespeare, Henry VI, part 2, 1592

    … Sittingbourne, from whence we had a famous pair of horses …— Jane Austen, letter, 24 Oct. 1798

    …addressed to this place, from whence it will be forwarded to me …— Lord Byron, letter, 31 Aug. 1809

    If it’s good enough for Shakespeare, Byron, Austen, Tolkien and The Book of Common Prayer, then it’s good enough for me.
    The Book of Common Prayer is the definitive service book for Anglicans, if it is good enough for the King's church that is definitive
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    Best thing that could happen to SNP, he is by far the best politician in the UK.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288

    FF43 said:

    Leon said:

    The Leon Singularity gets ever closer. The dread day that PB realizes, with a congealing sense of horror, that Leondamus was RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    “The Energy Department has concludeFWId that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a lab leak, according to a classified intelligence report wsj.com/articles/covid… via @WSJ”

    https://twitter.com/danielnasaw/status/1629840256877965312?s=61&t=raLL5JKfj_BYke5HoVBiYw

    Two US government agencies think on balance Covid likely originated in a lab leak. This one (Department of Energy) with "low confidence". Five other agencies think it had natural causes.

    FWIW I think with moderate confidence, but strictly on the evidence such as it is, think it had natural causes. I have more confidence in this than I had on a similar analysis that Saddam Hussein had no significant weapons of mass destruction.
    And you believe that this extraordinary natural event, resulting in a deadly and transmissible coronavirus with 'a unique furin cleavage site' happened yards from a laboratory studying how to make Coronaviruses more deadly and more transmissible by altering the furin cleavage site. I don't think you do believe that. I don't think anyone capable of rational thought believes it. I think you're maintaining a polite if ludicrous pretense because you feel beholden to adopting a stance supportive to the USA.
    Yes I don’t think anyone with a brain any longer believes “it came from the market”

    Tho I wouldn’t ascribe @FF43’s opinion to “America-philia” - I’d say he’s not intellectually confident, not overly smart, and therefore scared of admitting error
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Whoever wins this is ten times better than the turgid Wales England rubbish
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    How would she square resigning over the GRA 'negatively affecting the dignity and safety of women and girls' with letting a self-confessed sexual predator into the SNP? She must have been misquoted, surely?
    'But asked whether she’d readmit Mr Salmond, she said: “If people want to join the SNP they are free to do that.”'

    Media really have it in for her, they much prefer a patsy and are under handlers orders to ensure Useless gets an easy ride ( no pun or inference intended)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    edited February 2023
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64778848

    NI deal announced in the next hour, BBC say. Then details tomorrow.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    ydoethur said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    How would she square resigning over the GRA 'negatively affecting the dignity and safety of women and girls' with letting a self-confessed sexual predator into the SNP? She must have been misquoted, surely?
    LOL the bigoted liars are out yet again, jealous that Alex could charm women , dear dear.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,288
    Great running rugby!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    edited February 2023
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    Carnyx said:

    DougSeal said:

    Third. Like the last book in a trilogy. A trilogy being where the quote “The Ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom; only there can it be unmade. It must be taken deep into Mordor and cast back into the fiery chasm from whence it came” appears.

    Er, one wouldn't say 'to whither' (unless one was a bloody owl of course).

    Likewise one wouldn't say 'from whence', unless it was necessary for euphony [edit] or stress.
    Let them be whipp'd through every market town till they come to Berwick, from whence they came - Shakespeare, Henry VI, part 2, 1592

    … Sittingbourne, from whence we had a famous pair of horses …— Jane Austen, letter, 24 Oct. 1798

    …addressed to this place, from whence it will be forwarded to me …— Lord Byron, letter, 31 Aug. 1809

    If it’s good enough for Shakespeare, Byron, Austen, Tolkien and The Book of Common Prayer, then it’s good enough for me.
    The Book of Common Prayer is the definitive service book for Anglicans, if it is good enough for the King's church that is definitive
    A remarkable criterion on [edit] which to decide English style and grammar. Because Henry VIII and Edward VI.

    Tell me, do you write your s's like fs without the cross-bar, or use a goose feather for a pen? Come to think of it, how can you possibly enter your comments on PB using one?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Not quite what she said needless to say but she should have shut that down at the outset.


    How would she square resigning over the GRA 'negatively affecting the dignity and safety of women and girls' with letting a self-confessed sexual predator into the SNP? She must have been misquoted, surely?
    LOL the bigoted liars are out yet again, jealous that Alex could charm women , dear dear.
    If he'd charmed them there wouldn't have been a problem.
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