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  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Carnyx said:

    Bozza said:

    For England and for Brexit! We can do it.

    If you are indeed the real Boris, fuck off you lying sack of shit.
    What's the point in his post? Johnsonism is about as appealing and up to date as a week-old kebab.
    I don’t know, but I like to believe it truly is Boris and I want him to know he is pretty much universally reviled on here.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,565
    edited December 2022
    Bozza said:

    For England and for Brexit! We can do it.

    Honestly, who flagged that?

    Even if you disagreed vehemently with that, and found it childish and provocative, it's just a gentle troll - and no grounds for a 'flag', except to try and discredit it and show you disagree with it.

    Whoever did it needs to grow up. It wasn't abusive or offensive, not spam.

    EDIT: I've now liked it on principle.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478

    Nigelb said:

    A fire broke out at the barracks in Crimea, where hundreds of Russian draftees were based
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1601598445546242048

    Luigi: How many men you got here, Colonel?

    Colonel: Oh, er... seven thousand infantry, six hundred artillery, and er, two divisions of paratroops.

    Luigi: Paratroops, Dino.

    Dino: Be a shame if someone was to set fire to them.

    Colonel: Set fire to them?

    Luigi: Fires happen, Colonel.

    Dino: Things burn.

    image
    Stop that. It's silly.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Giving the ball away too easily too often.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478
    edited December 2022
    Bozza said:

    For England and for Brexit! We can do it.

    You couldn't have done Brexit without Wales #justsaying

    Edit - I was wondering if it was a good idea to give @TSE yet another reason to hate the Welsh, but since he hates us all anyway I suppose it won't make much difference.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950
    edited December 2022
    GOAL !! Sadly, for them.
    WillG said:

    EPG said:

    From the EU's perspective, it is much better to respect the UK's sovereign decision to exit the club, while pointing its members and the rest of the world to the Faragist fiscally incontinent Kamikwazi outcomes that become possible.

    The Kwarteng budget was entirely independent of Brexit and actually was the diametric opposite of the desired positions of the Leave campaign.
    Nonsense, it was the wet dream of Farage, Redwood and their ilk, thankfully now consigned to the dustbin of political history
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,660
    edited December 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Bozza said:

    For England and for Brexit! We can do it.

    You couldn't have done Brexit without Wales #justsaying

    Edit - I was wondering if it was a good idea to give @TSE yet another reason to hate the Welsh, but since he hates us all anyway I suppose it won't make much difference.
    The approved narrative amongst the excessively-online remainers is that it was English retirees moving to Wales wot done it :-)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,660
    Ouch.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Driver said:

    Giving the ball away too easily too often.

    Still time to settle. Good start from France though - plenty of pressure.
  • Inevitable.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,646
    Cheering in Paris and Glasgow.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Oh dear
  • ydoethur said:

    Bozza said:

    For England and for Brexit! We can do it.

    You couldn't have done Brexit without Wales #justsaying

    Edit - I was wondering if it was a good idea to give @TSE yet another reason to hate the Welsh, but since he hates us all anyway I suppose it won't make much difference.
    I don't hate the Welsh, I don't like Welsh rugby fans.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Ghedebrav said:

    Driver said:

    Giving the ball away too easily too often.

    Still time to settle. Good start from France though - plenty of pressure.
    He says. Decent strike.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Came directly from a foul not given, why can't VAR intervene?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,506
    Bozza said:

    For England and for Brexit! We can do it.

    Well done with that, you pillock.
  • Driver said:

    Came directly from a foul not given, why can't VAR intervene?

    Too many phases of play ago.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Desperate commentary on ITV.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478

    ydoethur said:

    Bozza said:

    For England and for Brexit! We can do it.

    You couldn't have done Brexit without Wales #justsaying

    Edit - I was wondering if it was a good idea to give @TSE yet another reason to hate the Welsh, but since he hates us all anyway I suppose it won't make much difference.
    I don't hate the Welsh, I don't like Welsh rugby fans.
    The two are more or less indistinguishable.

    There is one person in a small hamlet just outside Llanfair Careinion who has been heard to say rude things about rugby, but she is responding well to treatment and there are hopes of a full cure.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,183

    Driver said:

    Came directly from a foul not given, why can't VAR intervene?

    Too many phases of play ago.
    Did an England player touch it again?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Driver said:

    Came directly from a foul not given, why can't VAR intervene?

    Too many phases of play ago.
    Ridiculous rule, if that's correct - we never touched the ball after that.
  • M45M45 Posts: 216
    Il reste à l'étranger
    Il reste à l'étranger

    Trois lions sur une chemise

  • tlg86 said:

    Driver said:

    Came directly from a foul not given, why can't VAR intervene?

    Too many phases of play ago.
    Did an England player touch it again?
    Don't think so.

    Peter Walton said it wasn't a foul so it is all moot.
  • VAR IS A FUCKING JOKE.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    And that's not a penalty either?

    France are a better team, but if we're getting all the bad refereeing decisions as well we have no chance.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    England are getting decisions against them like Germany were. This is crooked FIFA punishing the countries calling out their corruption.
  • Where are the Trident subs tonight?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,692
    Should have been a penalty.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,757
    You should have known that video intervention would cause as many problems as it solved if not more.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,685
    It’s a game.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,718

    VAR IS A FUCKING JOKE.

    To be honest VAR in general has been the worst thing about the actual football at this tournament.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    WillG said:

    England are getting decisions against them like Germany were. This is crooked FIFA punishing the countries calling out their corruption.

    Honestly I think it’s just a crap, arrogant ref in this case.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478
    Jonathan said:

    It’s a game.

    Unlike cricket or rugby, which do matter.
  • M45M45 Posts: 216
    Have to say as a non fitba person this is a cracking game, proper business like. Either one lot is aggressively attacking or the other is.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,685
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    It’s a game.

    Unlike cricket or rugby, which do matter.

    At times like these you have to be grateful that the French don’t play cricket.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Yet another dodgy decision going against us.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,183

    tlg86 said:

    Driver said:

    Came directly from a foul not given, why can't VAR intervene?

    Too many phases of play ago.
    Did an England player touch it again?
    Don't think so.

    Peter Walton said it wasn't a foul so it is all moot.
    Lol, Peter Walton is the most pointless person on TV.

    Seen the replay, certainly more of a foul than Odegaard on Eriksen at old Trafford in September.

  • These are not bad VAR decisions - VAR should overturn obvious mistakes - never were obvious mistakes
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,685
    Going behind at least settled Englands nerves.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,514
    We are clearly going to get nothing from this ref. FIFA prefer France in the final.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    These are not bad VAR decisions - VAR should overturn obvious mistakes - never were obvious mistakes

    Both of them were obvious fouls in real time, let alone on replay.

    But we need to remember that FIFA never wanted VAR, which is why they introduced this hobbled version of it.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    We are clearly going to get nothing from this ref. FIFA prefer France in the final.

    Well, they scratched Qatar’s backs.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,646
    Trumpeter is good, but not as good as the Barmy Army guy at the cricket.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Does anyone actually like the England/Hillsborough band? Its not vuvuzela bad, but a constant annoyance.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,869

    We are clearly going to get nothing from this ref. FIFA prefer France in the final.

    Well, they scratched Qatar’s backs.
    Qatar ‘corruption’ scandal rocks EU Parliament

    https://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-police-raid-gulf-lobbying-eu-parliament/

    A top MEP has been suspended from her party after police launched an investigation into alleged illicit lobbying activities by Qatar, in what threatens to blow up into a major crisis at the heart of the European Union.

    Belgian police searched 16 homes and detained at least four people in and around Brussels on Friday as part of an inquiry into what prosecutors called “criminal organization, corruption and money laundering,” as first reported by Belgian media and confirmed to POLITICO by Belgian federal police.

    European Parliament vice-president Eva Kaili, from the Greek socialist party Pasok, was said to be among those detained.
  • Bit early for the we wuz robbed narrative ain’t it? Won’t be long till the EU is dragged in.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,514

    Bit early for the we wuz robbed narrative ain’t it? Won’t be long till the EU is dragged in.

    Not robbed, just not getting the 50:50 calls tonight. The pen shout is similar to many, many ones that are given week in, week out.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited December 2022
    Can confirm that both Brexit twitter and Remainer Centrist Dad twitter believe the ref is blatantly biased against England.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,685
    Well. We stayed in the World Cup longer than Brazil, Germany, Portugal, Belgium, Holland and got further than Italy.

    Normally that does the trick.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,514
    Jonathan said:

    Well. We stayed in the World Cup longer than Brazil, Germany, Portugal, Belgium, Holland and got further than Italy.

    Normally that does the trick.

    Made the round of five, too…
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Can confirm that both Brexit twitter and Remainer Centrist Dad twitter believe the ref is blatantly biased against England.

    Even Corbynista twitter are asking themselves where the ref is.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Stocky said:

    It's what happens when decisions are based on populism. Views are easily expressed but have no depth.

    Decisions based on populism can have a number of negative consequences. One problem with populism is that it often involves appealing to the emotions and prejudices of the public, rather than relying on facts and evidence to make decisions. This can result in policies and decisions that are not well thought out and may not be in the best interests of the public. Additionally, populist leaders may be more interested in gaining and maintaining power than in governing effectively, which can lead to corruption and abuses of power. Finally, populism often involves pitting one group of people against another, which can create divisions and conflicts within a society.
    Text book description of late Toryism, 2016 to date.
    'Populist' movements by definition spring up where Governments make decisions against the views or even the interests of the general populace.

    'Popular' Government - by the people, for the people, works extremely well; it's what they have in Switzerland, which has done a lot better economically and socially than its EU neighbours.
    Switzerland has one of the wealthiest and most educated populations in the world, which reduces the risk of extremist populism
    No, what eliminates that risk is that the population rules already. If there's a controversial issue (like whether to allow the building of minarets) they have a vote. They voted against minarets, so no minarets. That's it, end of.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Mbappe has been successfully shackled, but we’re still getting well beaten here.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478

    Can confirm that both Brexit twitter and Remainer Centrist Dad twitter believe the ref is blatantly biased against England.

    Even Corbynista twitter are asking themselves where the ref is.
    The Stop the VAR Coalition are outraged.
    Wait until he's silent, then they can say Iran out of excuses.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    How are we getting bullied by these haute cuisine fuckers, shameful.

    https://twitter.com/ayocaesar/status/1601664787058167808?s=46&t=nJhxzvCaC0q-l13b_rvPVQ
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    ydoethur said:

    Can confirm that both Brexit twitter and Remainer Centrist Dad twitter believe the ref is blatantly biased against England.

    Even Corbynista twitter are asking themselves where the ref is.
    The Stop the VAR Coalition are outraged.
    Wait until he's silent, then they can say Iran out of excuses.
    Looks like an early Ba’ath

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,514

    Mbappe has been successfully shackled, but we’re still getting well beaten here.

    Yes, but sadly not Griezmann…
  • Nice first half.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,545
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    A fire broke out at the barracks in Crimea, where hundreds of Russian draftees were based
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1601598445546242048

    Luigi: How many men you got here, Colonel?

    Colonel: Oh, er... seven thousand infantry, six hundred artillery, and er, two divisions of paratroops.

    Luigi: Paratroops, Dino.

    Dino: Be a shame if someone was to set fire to them.

    Colonel: Set fire to them?

    Luigi: Fires happen, Colonel.

    Dino: Things burn.

    image
    Stop that. It's silly.
    DINSDALE!!!!!!!!!!
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Mbappe has been successfully shackled, but we’re still getting well beaten here.

    England have been the better team. France only scored because we were scrambling after the ref didn't give a foul in the French third. Should have had a penalty too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    A fire broke out at the barracks in Crimea, where hundreds of Russian draftees were based
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1601598445546242048

    Luigi: How many men you got here, Colonel?

    Colonel: Oh, er... seven thousand infantry, six hundred artillery, and er, two divisions of paratroops.

    Luigi: Paratroops, Dino.

    Dino: Be a shame if someone was to set fire to them.

    Colonel: Set fire to them?

    Luigi: Fires happen, Colonel.

    Dino: Things burn.

    image
    Stop that. It's silly.
    DINSDALE!!!!!!!!!!
    He was quite a chap, man.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,478
    WillG said:

    Mbappe has been successfully shackled, but we’re still getting well beaten here.

    England have been the better team. France only scored because we were scrambling after the ref didn't give a foul in the French third. Should have had a penalty too.
    I would gently suggest the better team is the one that wins.

    Unless it's Yorkshire CCC of course.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,423
    Foul on Kane looked outside the box to me.
  • Kerala again:

  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Saka was definitely fouled before the French goal.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    These are not bad VAR decisions - VAR should overturn obvious mistakes - never were obvious mistakes

    There was clearly a mistake on the foul on the edge of the penalty box.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,821

    Mbappe has been successfully shackled, but we’re still getting well beaten here.

    Mbappe was the making of their goal.
  • It wasnt a foul (either) annd Keane is a bit harsh saying Pickford could have done better!
  • BozzaBozza Posts: 37

    Bozza said:

    For England and for Brexit! We can do it.

    Honestly, who flagged that?

    Even if you disagreed vehemently with that, and found it childish and provocative, it's just a gentle troll - and no grounds for a 'flag', except to try and discredit it and show you disagree with it.

    Whoever did it needs to grow up. It wasn't abusive or offensive, not spam.

    EDIT: I've now liked it on principle.
    A French socialist?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,545
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    A fire broke out at the barracks in Crimea, where hundreds of Russian draftees were based
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1601598445546242048

    Luigi: How many men you got here, Colonel?

    Colonel: Oh, er... seven thousand infantry, six hundred artillery, and er, two divisions of paratroops.

    Luigi: Paratroops, Dino.

    Dino: Be a shame if someone was to set fire to them.

    Colonel: Set fire to them?

    Luigi: Fires happen, Colonel.

    Dino: Things burn.

    image
    Stop that. It's silly.
    DINSDALE!!!!!!!!!!
    He was quite a chap, man.
    “…they began to operate what they called 'The Operation'… They would select a victim and then threaten to beat him up if he paid them the so-called protection money. Four months later they started another operation which they called 'The Other Operation'. In this racket they selected another victim and threatened not to beat him up if he didn't pay them. One month later they hit upon 'The Other Other Operation'. In this the victim was threatened that if he didn't pay them, they would beat him up. This for the Piranha brothers was the turning point.”

    In later years they worked for the DfE…
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    dixiedean said:

    Foul on Kane looked outside the box to me.

    Initial contact was outside but the final contact looked inside on the last replays.
  • How are we getting bullied by these haute cuisine fuckers, shameful.

    https://twitter.com/ayocaesar/status/1601664787058167808?s=46&t=nJhxzvCaC0q-l13b_rvPVQ

    Is that the first patriotic thing she's ever said?

    Will wonders never cease.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,821
    dixiedean said:

    Foul on Kane looked outside the box to me.

    I think VAR can only give penalties, not free kicks outside the box.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,685
    Is the single transferable vote preferable to the alternative vote?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,183
    Now they’ve shown the side on replay, it was definitely a penalty.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    dixiedean said:

    Foul on Kane looked outside the box to me.

    Despite all Lee Dixon’s wittering France would have been justly aggrieved if a penalty had been given.
  • Jonathan said:

    Is the single transferable vote preferable to the alternative vote?

    I wouldn't use that on a first date.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950
    Jonathan said:

    Is the single transferable vote preferable to the alternative vote?

    Yes, because the former approximates to being proportional by dint of the multi-member seats, whereas the latter can be less proportional even than FPTnP
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950
    Bottom line, the object of the game is to get the ball into the net at the other end of the pitch, and if we can’t achieve that in an hour and a half of running about, we don’t deserve to win.
  • dixiedean said:

    Foul on Kane looked outside the box to me.

    Despite all Lee Dixon’s wittering France would have been justly aggrieved if a penalty had been given.
    I also think you have to take into account its diver Kane as the "victim"
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Jonathan said:

    Is the single transferable vote preferable to the alternative vote?

    Both let losers win.

    A bit like the refs in this game.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,821

    dixiedean said:

    Foul on Kane looked outside the box to me.

    Despite all Lee Dixon’s wittering France would have been justly aggrieved if a penalty had been given.
    I also think you have to take into account its diver Kane as the "victim"
    He is a diver, but that was a kosher foul.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,017

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Stocky said:

    It's what happens when decisions are based on populism. Views are easily expressed but have no depth.

    Decisions based on populism can have a number of negative consequences. One problem with populism is that it often involves appealing to the emotions and prejudices of the public, rather than relying on facts and evidence to make decisions. This can result in policies and decisions that are not well thought out and may not be in the best interests of the public. Additionally, populist leaders may be more interested in gaining and maintaining power than in governing effectively, which can lead to corruption and abuses of power. Finally, populism often involves pitting one group of people against another, which can create divisions and conflicts within a society.
    Text book description of late Toryism, 2016 to date.
    'Populist' movements by definition spring up where Governments make decisions against the views or even the interests of the general populace.

    'Popular' Government - by the people, for the people, works extremely well; it's what they have in Switzerland, which has done a lot better economically and socially than its EU neighbours.
    Switzerland has one of the wealthiest and most educated populations in the world, which reduces the risk of extremist populism
    No, what eliminates that risk is that the population rules already. If there's a controversial issue (like whether to allow the building of minarets) they have a vote. They voted against minarets, so no minarets. That's it, end of.
    If they want a referendum, they get it. HYUFD would do well to consider that.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,554
    edited December 2022
    IanB2 said:

    GOAL !! Sadly, for them.

    WillG said:

    EPG said:

    From the EU's perspective, it is much better to respect the UK's sovereign decision to exit the club, while pointing its members and the rest of the world to the Faragist fiscally incontinent Kamikwazi outcomes that become possible.

    The Kwarteng budget was entirely independent of Brexit and actually was the diametric opposite of the desired positions of the Leave campaign.
    Nonsense, it was the wet dream of Farage, Redwood and their ilk, thankfully now consigned to the dustbin of political history
    Oh dear. What a shame you came out of ChatGPT mode to post something so rubbish.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,821
    IanB2 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is the single transferable vote preferable to the alternative vote?

    Yes, because the former approximates to being proportional by dint of the multi-member seats, whereas the latter can be less proportionaal even than FPTnP
    A match made in heaven
  • IanB2 said:

    Jonathan said:

    Is the single transferable vote preferable to the alternative vote?

    Yes, because the former approximates to being proportional by dint of the multi-member seats, whereas the latter can be less proportional even than FPTnP
    Which sounds like a bonus to me.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,821
    France riding their luck.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Lloris is playing really well, to be fair.

    Still, that's the third time it hasn't quite bounced right in the six yard box.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,017
    If I had a choice between the round spheroids in World Cup football and the dags on a sheep's erse, I'd pick the latter any day.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    ANOTHER dodgy decision. No way that was a free kick.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,514
    If Mbappe was fouled just then, it was a fucking penalty. Joke decision.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    Penalty!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,646
    Well that one’s definitely a penalty!
  • WOW!

    Penalty
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,183
    Come on Harry!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,514
    Gonna miss
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,950
    goal !!
  • IT'S COMING HOME.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    Get in!
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