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  • PaulSimon said:

    Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?

    No check at all in my experience. Got an email saying get boosted cos you are 60, website disagreed because I am under 65, so ticked box saying I care for someone with weakened immune system. If the website accepts that, you are in. There is no huge competition for the things

  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
    The texting thing is a good symbol for Apple's exploitative practices. Not only do they put texts from an Android phone in a different color, they refuse to integrate functionality and also deliberately reduce the contrast for Android texts to make them harder to read.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    If there's a Labour strategist reading this afternoon - Starmer needs to go on petrol price gouging and lack of government action to ensure consumers are getting value for money, pretty sure the Issa brothers are Tory donors as well and they've been milking the nation with their forecourts.

    Starmer gets a triple win, he attacks the Tories, proposes real action to bring inflation down and he attacks vulture capitalists and improperly functioning markets putting him on the natural side of the party. It also puts him on the same side as voters who are fed up of high petrol prices and price gouging by garages.

    Don't know how prevalent it is in the UK Labour party but there's a colossal ideological opposition to cars in general on the left - well it's certainly the impression I get - in the USA.
    Again I don't know if this phenomenon is within the UK left too.
    Car ownership was (When the Tories were doing relatively OK) a massive difference maker between Tory and Labour voters.
    I too think he should park his tanks on the Tory lawn here.
    Agreed. Labour isn't noticeably anti-car, even the Corbynista side (no doubt with some exceptions), though the Greens tend that way.
    Sadiq Khan announcement this week....
    Ulez non-compliance is a tax. Labour like a tax. It doesn't mean they don't like the car.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    Penalty!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Driver said:

    PaulSimon said:

    Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?

    I doubt they'll turn away anoyone claiming eligibility, it's not as if they're short on vaccines.

    I'm under 50 and eligible through my wife, but meh. Three shots, two of which made us feel worse than Covid itself, was enough.
    Did you have covid before vaccination or after? Big difference.
    I had huge reactions to the boosters I've had (both mRNA delivery vaccines). Truly nasty, very high fever, felt awful etc. Lasted 24-36 hours then over. Way better than some peoples covid illness, but as I've not knowingly had covid, I can't compare.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803

    The whole app store thing.

    I find it interesting that back in the day Microsoft got dinged over pre-installation of IE on a system that was not a walled garden. Two clicks and you could get yourself a different browser. Now Android you can easily sideload and there are number other "app" stores you can use. But Apple unless you jailbreak your phone there is absolutely no option.

    That's the whole Apple approach. It's like the Catholic church. Conception to resurrection. There is one way to salvation, and it is the Apple way. Generally, I find it safer to avoid them completely.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Driver said:

    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    Interesting. I have Android and am constantly called out for it...
    People are actually brandshaming?
    It's not just on brand. It's the fact a lot of functionality on SMS doesn't work across Apple and Android so it makes people harder to include you.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    It's getting to winter, and they're the only people still counting?
    No, I think something is happening

    I've heard anecdotally it is re-emerging in Hong Kong, as well

    Hopefully just a lack of immunity giving them a final wave? Heaven fucking forfend it is another strain
    There’ll be new strains forevermore. They’re counting more that’s all.
    The Japanese themselves are now getting a little worried. This is a headline designed for me. It mentions "normalcy bias"

    https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/society/coronavirus/20221129-73954/

    What's slightly perplexing is that the Japs have v high vax rates - 80% of the country or more - AND they are still taking far more precautions than us: universal masking indoors and out, for a start. Yet still the case load surges

    Could this be another, more infectious strain?

    Of course, this must be expected, but it is also tedious as feck
    The oldest country on Earth heading into Winter. Nothing more need be said.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
    I tend to agree with that analysis.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    ydoethur said:

    Support. You’ll have to once the Scots stop supplying free electricity.

    And by the way, Scotland leads the world in offshore wind. England doesn’t.

    There are 29 offshore wind farms in England, generating about 9.7 GW of electricity.

    There are seven in Scotland generating around 2GW of electricity.

    The balance is in Wales.

    If you’re going to tell lies to support your obsessive xenophobia at least try to make them intelligent ones.

    TBF, that does give Scotland (360kW) over twice as much per capita as England (175kW)
    oooft, a kick in the teeth for the xenophobes right enough
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    If there's a Labour strategist reading this afternoon - Starmer needs to go on petrol price gouging and lack of government action to ensure consumers are getting value for money, pretty sure the Issa brothers are Tory donors as well and they've been milking the nation with their forecourts.

    Starmer gets a triple win, he attacks the Tories, proposes real action to bring inflation down and he attacks vulture capitalists and improperly functioning markets putting him on the natural side of the party. It also puts him on the same side as voters who are fed up of high petrol prices and price gouging by garages.

    Don't know how prevalent it is in the UK Labour party but there's a colossal ideological opposition to cars in general on the left - well it's certainly the impression I get - in the USA.
    Again I don't know if this phenomenon is within the UK left too.
    Car ownership was (When the Tories were doing relatively OK) a massive difference maker between Tory and Labour voters.
    I too think he should park his tanks on the Tory lawn here.
    Agreed. Labour isn't noticeably anti-car, even the Corbynista side (no doubt with some exceptions), though the Greens tend that way.
    Sadiq Khan announcement this week....
    Ulez non-compliance is a tax. Labour like a tax. It doesn't mean they don't like the car.
    A very rich person observed to me that, for him, the ideal congestion charge would be north of £100 a day. He would be able to drive his car on empty roads.
  • Half of the free range turkeys produced for Christmas in the UK have been culled or died due to bird flu, a top industry chief said on Tuesday.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63797896
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Neither England nor Scotland have as much per capita offshore wind generation capacity as Denmark (390Wpp)

    And a Danish company (Ørsted, formerly DONG) own most of the UK offshore windfarms

    Sturgeon sold off the Scottish licences for peanuts, just another of her horrendous decisions and lies.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    .
    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
    The texting thing is a good symbol for Apple's exploitative practices. Not only do they put texts from an Android phone in a different color, they refuse to integrate functionality and also deliberately reduce the contrast for Android texts to make them harder to read.
    They do what???
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    Driver said:

    PaulSimon said:

    Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?

    I doubt they'll turn away anoyone claiming eligibility, it's not as if they're short on vaccines.

    I'm under 50 and eligible through my wife, but meh. Three shots, two of which made us feel worse than Covid itself, was enough.
    Did you have covid before vaccination or after? Big difference.
    I had huge reactions to the boosters I've had (both mRNA delivery vaccines). Truly nasty, very high fever, felt awful etc. Lasted 24-36 hours then over. Way better than some peoples covid illness, but as I've not knowingly had covid, I can't compare.
    After the three. The fact that shot 3 was worse than covid after 3 doesn't make me want to get shot 4.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Support. You’ll have to once the Scots stop supplying free electricity.

    And by the way, Scotland leads the world in offshore wind. England doesn’t.

    There are 29 offshore wind farms in England, generating about 9.7 GW of electricity.

    There are seven in Scotland generating around 2GW of electricity.

    The balance is in Wales.

    If you’re going to tell lies to support your obsessive xenophobia at least try to make them intelligent ones.

    TBF, that does give Scotland (360kW) over twice as much per capita as England (175kW)
    oooft, a kick in the teeth for the xenophobes right enough
    Which xenophobes? None here, just people calling out nonsense from a Swedish poster.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    Driver said:

    .

    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
    The texting thing is a good symbol for Apple's exploitative practices. Not only do they put texts from an Android phone in a different color, they refuse to integrate functionality and also deliberately reduce the contrast for Android texts to make them harder to read.
    They do what???
    he is referring to the iMessage vs everyone else thing.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Driver said:

    .

    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
    The texting thing is a good symbol for Apple's exploitative practices. Not only do they put texts from an Android phone in a different color, they refuse to integrate functionality and also deliberately reduce the contrast for Android texts to make them harder to read.
    They do what???
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/boingboing.net/2022/10/12/apple-intentionally-made-the-green-chat-bubbles-of-android-text-messages-look-gross.html/amp
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    PaulSimon said:

    Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?

    I doubt they'll turn away anoyone claiming eligibility, it's not as if they're short on vaccines.

    I'm under 50 and eligible through my wife, but meh. Three shots, two of which made us feel worse than Covid itself, was enough.
    Did you have covid before vaccination or after? Big difference.
    I had huge reactions to the boosters I've had (both mRNA delivery vaccines). Truly nasty, very high fever, felt awful etc. Lasted 24-36 hours then over. Way better than some peoples covid illness, but as I've not knowingly had covid, I can't compare.
    After the three. The fact that shot 3 was worse than covid after 3 doesn't make me want to get shot 4.
    I hear you, but I will still keep getting boosted when offered. Covid can be nasty, and not having had it yet makes me cautious.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Driver said:

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    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
    The texting thing is a good symbol for Apple's exploitative practices. Not only do they put texts from an Android phone in a different color, they refuse to integrate functionality and also deliberately reduce the contrast for Android texts to make them harder to read.
    They do what???
    They treat SMS from non-Apple devices, as if they were bog-standard SMS.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited November 2022
    Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,526



    The Green Party is not Greenpeace

    But they too are pro-tidal (to be clear, I'm agnostic, but they're in favour).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up.

    The more immigrants we get the more religious we get
    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Romania or Malta - are no better than in irreligious places.

    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Pakistan or the UAE - are way higher than in irreligious places.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Support. You’ll have to once the Scots stop supplying free electricity.

    And by the way, Scotland leads the world in offshore wind. England doesn’t.

    There are 29 offshore wind farms in England, generating about 9.7 GW of electricity.

    There are seven in Scotland generating around 2GW of electricity.

    The balance is in Wales.

    If you’re going to tell lies to support your obsessive xenophobia at least try to make them intelligent ones.

    TBF, that does give Scotland (360kW) over twice as much per capita as England (175kW)
    oooft, a kick in the teeth for the xenophobes right enough
    Which xenophobes? None here, just people calling out nonsense from a Swedish poster.
    I dub him "The Swedish Poster"... TSP....

    Bit like The Swedish Knight....
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    pillsbury said:

    PaulSimon said:

    Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?

    No check at all in my experience. Got an email saying get boosted cos you are 60, website disagreed because I am under 65, so ticked box saying I care for someone with weakened immune system. If the website accepts that, you are in. There is no huge competition for the things
    I think that's correct. I'm genuinely entitled to the booster as someone who lives with an immunocompromised person, but I don't recall there being any particularly stringent checks involved. Just go on the relevant booking website, answer the questions in such a way as one of them qualifies you for the booster, and you can get an appointment easily. I actually had to wait longer for a flu jab slot to become available at the local Boots than I did for an appointment at the local Covid vaccination centre.

    When I went to get mine done there was a steady trickle of punters rather than a flood, so I very much doubt you'll be doing an octogenarian out of their entitlement. If you want one, just go for it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829
    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    If there's a Labour strategist reading this afternoon - Starmer needs to go on petrol price gouging and lack of government action to ensure consumers are getting value for money, pretty sure the Issa brothers are Tory donors as well and they've been milking the nation with their forecourts.

    Starmer gets a triple win, he attacks the Tories, proposes real action to bring inflation down and he attacks vulture capitalists and improperly functioning markets putting him on the natural side of the party. It also puts him on the same side as voters who are fed up of high petrol prices and price gouging by garages.

    Don't know how prevalent it is in the UK Labour party but there's a colossal ideological opposition to cars in general on the left - well it's certainly the impression I get - in the USA.
    Again I don't know if this phenomenon is within the UK left too.
    Car ownership was (When the Tories were doing relatively OK) a massive difference maker between Tory and Labour voters.
    I too think he should park his tanks on the Tory lawn here.
    Mondeo man has a car and votes. Blair realised that early.
    It's an easy win for Labour. It's clear that up to last year Asda was the firm that kept petrol and diesel prices low (given any chance to cut the price they publicly announced it with a fanfare).

    Since the Issa's bought Asda that simply hasn't been the case and both Morrisons and Asda now have prices that are way higher than elsewhere. Competition within the market has failed its job of keeping prices low and being blunt it's costing the Treasury millions because based on current market prices £1.52 at Jet, £1.60 at Asda) over half of the profits being made by Asda and co are coming from the 5p cut in fuel duty that Rishi announced earlier this year.
    It's going to cost them the 12p increase next year as well which is billions in taxes lost. It's time to break them up and an example where better regulation is needed, rather than just the box ticking exercises the CMA seem to be content with.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    Scott_xP said:

    Interesting - I asked the then German finance minister, now the German Chancellor about evidence of post Brexit declining German trade with the UK last year, and then he was quite relaxed then…
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1597603202567921664
    https://twitter.com/germanambuk/status/1597499843697516545

    Compare the UK-Germany trade deficit then with now. It's more than halved.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963
    edited November 2022
    WillG said:

    Driver said:

    .

    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
    The texting thing is a good symbol for Apple's exploitative practices. Not only do they put texts from an Android phone in a different color, they refuse to integrate functionality and also deliberately reduce the contrast for Android texts to make them harder to read.
    They do what???
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/boingboing.net/2022/10/12/apple-intentionally-made-the-green-chat-bubbles-of-android-text-messages-look-gross.html/amp
    Ah, so it's essentially using Imessage instead of SMS.

    Doesn't everyone just use either Whatsapp or Facebook messenger anyway? Can't remember the last time I sent or received an actual SMS.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited November 2022

    Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.

    Probably because it doesn't really come as any real surprise to people who live or visit those two cities often. I think it was probably already a given that was probably the case or very close to it.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Driver said:

    WillG said:

    Driver said:

    .

    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
    The texting thing is a good symbol for Apple's exploitative practices. Not only do they put texts from an Android phone in a different color, they refuse to integrate functionality and also deliberately reduce the contrast for Android texts to make them harder to read.
    They do what???
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/boingboing.net/2022/10/12/apple-intentionally-made-the-green-chat-bubbles-of-android-text-messages-look-gross.html/amp
    Ah, so it's essentially using Imessage instead of SMS.

    Doesn't everyone just use either Whatsapp or Facebook messenger anyway? Can't remember the last time I sent or received an actual SMS.
    Not in the US.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Support. You’ll have to once the Scots stop supplying free electricity.

    And by the way, Scotland leads the world in offshore wind. England doesn’t.

    There are 29 offshore wind farms in England, generating about 9.7 GW of electricity.

    There are seven in Scotland generating around 2GW of electricity.

    The balance is in Wales.

    If you’re going to tell lies to support your obsessive xenophobia at least try to make them intelligent ones.

    TBF, that does give Scotland (360kW) over twice as much per capita as England (175kW)
    oooft, a kick in the teeth for the xenophobes right enough
    Why? It's about the only way his inane witterings would make sense.

    Although I'm pretty sure he was just repeating the dishonest drivel the Scottish Greens keep coming out with that Scotland has 25% of all Europe's offshore wind potential (which it doesn't).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    Driver said:

    WillG said:

    Driver said:

    .

    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
    The texting thing is a good symbol for Apple's exploitative practices. Not only do they put texts from an Android phone in a different color, they refuse to integrate functionality and also deliberately reduce the contrast for Android texts to make them harder to read.
    They do what???
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/boingboing.net/2022/10/12/apple-intentionally-made-the-green-chat-bubbles-of-android-text-messages-look-gross.html/amp
    Ah, so it's essentially using Imessage instead of SMS.

    Doesn't everyone just use either Whatsapp or Facebook messenger anyway? Can't remember the last time I sent or received an actual SMS.
    In the US WhatsApp is fairly obscure. People use iMessage much more, precisely because it's a native part of the phone.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up.

    The more immigrants we get the more religious we get
    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Romania or Malta - are no better than in irreligious places.

    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Pakistan or the UAE - are way higher than in irreligious places.
    My point is that there's no simple correlation. You can't just say - religious therefore lots of babies born. Hence Malta (where only 2% of the population are irreligious) has one of the lowest birthrates in the world.

    Indeed, if you want to look at causation, I think it probably goes more like this:

    Poor country -> more likely to have a high birthrate
    Poor country -> more likely to be religious
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270

    Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.

    Probably because it doesn't really come as any real surprise to people who live or visit those two cities often. I think it was probably already a given that was probably the case or very close to it.
    Central London has been thus for a long time.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
    Funny how many supposedly hard-pressed-for-money people seem to own one.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270

    Driver said:

    WillG said:

    Driver said:

    .

    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
    The texting thing is a good symbol for Apple's exploitative practices. Not only do they put texts from an Android phone in a different color, they refuse to integrate functionality and also deliberately reduce the contrast for Android texts to make them harder to read.
    They do what???
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/boingboing.net/2022/10/12/apple-intentionally-made-the-green-chat-bubbles-of-android-text-messages-look-gross.html/amp
    Ah, so it's essentially using Imessage instead of SMS.

    Doesn't everyone just use either Whatsapp or Facebook messenger anyway? Can't remember the last time I sent or received an actual SMS.
    In the US WhatsApp is fairly obscure. People use iMessage much more, precisely because it's a native part of the phone.
    Plus WhatsApp is now a part of the Empire Formerly Known as Farcebook.

    Use Signal instead.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
    Funny how many supposedly hard-pressed-for-money people seem to own one.
    Purchased on credit, just like the Range Rovers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited November 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
    Funny how many supposedly hard-pressed-for-money people seem to own one.
    Because by the very nature of the standard contracts for phones, its all effectively on the never never and so few think about what 3 years at £x / month actually means.

    Only a small number of people actually fork out a significant amount upfront for a phone (to lower their monthly) and you often have to search out those deals.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    PaulSimon said:

    Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?

    Oh. You're not that Paul Simon then :disappointed:
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.

    Probably because it doesn't really come as any real surprise to people who live or visit those two cities often. I think it was probably already a given that was probably the case or very close to it.
    Central London has been thus for a long time.
    I question the New York numbers. Lots of Latinos are white.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
    Funny how many supposedly hard-pressed-for-money people seem to own one.
    Purchased on credit, just like the Range Rovers.
    Or Manchester United, or the NHS.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Selebian said:

    PaulSimon said:

    Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?

    Oh. You're not that Paul Simon then :disappointed:
    You can call him Al.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    tlg86 said:
    tlg86 said:
    All over the world, thieves drilling into vaults paused for a minutes silence.


    Theo: [Over the CB, as the police SWAT team closes in] Alright, listen up guys. 'Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the house, not a creature was stirring — except for the four assholes coming in the rear in standard two-by-two cover formation.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited November 2022

    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
    Funny how many supposedly hard-pressed-for-money people seem to own one.
    Purchased on credit, just like the Range Rovers.
    I have wondered for a while if the car financing system is going to be the next big financial blow up.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    IanB2 said:

    Hmm. Dick Stuartson posts a lie on pb, is refuted by lots of posters, disappears. Most odd.
    Do other Scottish Nationalists behave the same way? Or can they not recall?

    If his point was that Scotland is leading, then, size-adjusted, arguably he has a point. But his implication that England was somehow lagging is mis-leading; I remember from when I had my PPL seeing the North Sea offshore fields from the air, and they are big.
    His problem like so many nats - oddly not Malc G -

    DJ41 said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-63785351

    "People in China who attended weekend protests against Covid restrictions say they have been contacted by police, as authorities begin clamping down. (...) It is unclear how police might have discovered their identities."

    Maybe the police are holding séances, following in the footsteps of senior Italian pols in the Aldo Moro case?

    Either that or people are carrying trackers, what they do on the internet is monitored, or - the most frighteningly unexpected possibility of all - both.

    "people are carrying trackers" - AKA smart phones.

    Or smart watches, these days.


    John Reese: Never understood why people put all their information on those [social networking] sites. Used to make our job a lot easier in the CIA.
    Harold Finch: Of course. That's why I created them.
    John Reese: You're telling me you invented online social networking, Finch?
    Harold Finch: The Machine needed more information. People's social graph, their associations. The government had been trying to figure it out for years. Turns out most people were happy to volunteer it. Business wound up being quite profitable, too.
    And of course it goes further, installing listening devices and cameras that upload to central servers in their own homes....

    Talking about Alexa



    I do love Alexa - mine responds to both English and Spanish commands with an equal around 60% success rate! Shiows my Spanish accent is as good as my English one.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727

    algarkirk said:

    pillsbury said:

    kjh said:

    While there has been some opposition to the offshore expansion of the Rampion wind farm off the Sussex coast, most of the debate has been about how the onshore bits get connected to the grid. This is the challenge with both offshore and onshore wind - ideally you want to build it as near to the people who will be using the power, and that’s where NIMBYs enter the frame. Personally I enjoy seeing the lights twinkling on the horizon - and marvel that Rampion 2 will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (though further out to sea). Try installing that on land!


    One of the things I have always wondered in the case of wind farms is whether bigger is better. Does a 600ft tall turbine generate twice as much energy as 2x 300ft turbines?
    I always blow the minds of people when I tell them you get more pizza with one 15 inch pizza than with 2 lots of 10 inch pizzas.
    I always find it frustrating that people don't get the square and cube rules and are always amazed that some small things can jump relatively high distances, or that sparrows can have very thin legs or elephants can't jump or that cats can fall off windowsills unharmed yet we break bones, etc, etc and don't get that it is just an obvious function of mathematics/physics.
    Dropping mammals down lift shafts: a mouse lives, a rat dies, a man breaks, a horse splashes.

    JBS Haldane
    Applies to money too, and talk of millions, billions and trillions - which get mixed up.

    In a potential taxpaying population of 50 million (UK is about this):

    £1m is 2p each

    £1bn is £20 each

    £1 tn is £20,000 each.

    I think it was someone on here the other day who mentioned the difference between a million, a billion and a trillion in a way people can envisage.

    1 million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes
    1 billion seconds is 31 and a half years
    1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years
    Maybe I'm too much of a physicist, but what's so hard about 10^6 versus 10^9 versus 10^12? :wink:
    (Assuming short scale, of course)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Support. You’ll have to once the Scots stop supplying free electricity.

    And by the way, Scotland leads the world in offshore wind. England doesn’t.

    There are 29 offshore wind farms in England, generating about 9.7 GW of electricity.

    There are seven in Scotland generating around 2GW of electricity.

    The balance is in Wales.

    If you’re going to tell lies to support your obsessive xenophobia at least try to make them intelligent ones.

    TBF, that does give Scotland (360kW) over twice as much per capita as England (175kW)
    oooft, a kick in the teeth for the xenophobes right enough
    Which xenophobes? None here, just people calling out nonsense from a Swedish poster.
    I dub him "The Swedish Poster"... TSP....

    Bit like The Swedish Knight....
    I prefer Dick Stuartson, mainly because he mis-uses HYFUD's name. I hope it vexes him, but it probably doesn't. Petty of me, but I have few worthwhile hobbies...
  • Covid testers at the site were filmed fighting, playing football, sleeping and throwing snowballs in January, while the country was frozen under lockdown.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11481771/Blunder-COVID-lab-linked-deaths-20-people-investigators-say.html
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.

    Probably because it doesn't really come as any real surprise to people who live or visit those two cities often. I think it was probably already a given that was probably the case or very close to it.
    Central London has been thus for a long time.
    True I suppose, but I lived in Hackney until last year and I’m still a bit surprised.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270

    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
    Funny how many supposedly hard-pressed-for-money people seem to own one.
    Purchased on credit, just like the Range Rovers.
    I have wondered for a while if the car financing system is going to be the next big financial blow up.
    It's.... On Zee List
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    felix said:

    IanB2 said:

    Hmm. Dick Stuartson posts a lie on pb, is refuted by lots of posters, disappears. Most odd.
    Do other Scottish Nationalists behave the same way? Or can they not recall?

    If his point was that Scotland is leading, then, size-adjusted, arguably he has a point. But his implication that England was somehow lagging is mis-leading; I remember from when I had my PPL seeing the North Sea offshore fields from the air, and they are big.
    His problem like so many nats - oddly not Malc G -

    DJ41 said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-63785351

    "People in China who attended weekend protests against Covid restrictions say they have been contacted by police, as authorities begin clamping down. (...) It is unclear how police might have discovered their identities."

    Maybe the police are holding séances, following in the footsteps of senior Italian pols in the Aldo Moro case?

    Either that or people are carrying trackers, what they do on the internet is monitored, or - the most frighteningly unexpected possibility of all - both.

    "people are carrying trackers" - AKA smart phones.

    Or smart watches, these days.


    John Reese: Never understood why people put all their information on those [social networking] sites. Used to make our job a lot easier in the CIA.
    Harold Finch: Of course. That's why I created them.
    John Reese: You're telling me you invented online social networking, Finch?
    Harold Finch: The Machine needed more information. People's social graph, their associations. The government had been trying to figure it out for years. Turns out most people were happy to volunteer it. Business wound up being quite profitable, too.
    And of course it goes further, installing listening devices and cameras that upload to central servers in their own homes....

    Talking about Alexa



    I do love Alexa - mine responds to both English and Spanish commands with an equal around 60% success rate! Shiows my Spanish accent is as good as my English one.
    Some Dutch friends of ours have a daughter named Siri. They also have iPhones. Much hilarity ensues, obviously.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
    Funny how many supposedly hard-pressed-for-money people seem to own one.
    Purchased on credit, just like the Range Rovers.
    I have wondered for a while if the car financing system is going to be the next big financial blow up.
    More likely that the new car market comes crashing down to Earth, because no-one can afford a £90k Range Rover with 8% APR. Probably a few hand-backs as redundancies tick up too, and the market for cheap used cars will stay strong.

    Reverse mortgages, on the other hand, will be the likely next big financial blow-up.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    This afternoon the official UK page will be updated to show what percentage of 50+ have had their autumn booster (replacing the 1/2/3rd numbers). Be interesting to see the uptake.

    Edit - Missed that info is already available on a different page,

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations?areaType=nation&areaName=England

    Looks like ~70-80% for the high risk groups. Its 50-60 year olds who don't seem to have really taken it up.
    Had my booster here about 2 weeks ago. No side effects at the time but now have an unpleasant anmd persistent sore arm. It could have been caused by gardening but I'm really not sure. I'm also increasingly ancient and everything takes an age to heal!
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    PaulSimon said:

    Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?

    Oh. You're not that Paul Simon then :disappointed:
    You can call him Al.
    Careful, you'll trigger Leon if he misreads that!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up.

    The more immigrants we get the more religious we get
    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Romania or Malta - are no better than in irreligious places.

    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Pakistan or the UAE - are way higher than in irreligious places.
    My point is that there's no simple correlation. You can't just say - religious therefore lots of babies born. Hence Malta (where only 2% of the population are irreligious) has one of the lowest birthrates in the world.

    Indeed, if you want to look at causation, I think it probably goes more like this:

    Poor country -> more likely to have a high birthrate
    Poor country -> more likely to be religious
    And the more the boats come from Africa and the more the migrants come from South Asia in turn the more religious we get again
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    pillsbury said:

    kjh said:

    While there has been some opposition to the offshore expansion of the Rampion wind farm off the Sussex coast, most of the debate has been about how the onshore bits get connected to the grid. This is the challenge with both offshore and onshore wind - ideally you want to build it as near to the people who will be using the power, and that’s where NIMBYs enter the frame. Personally I enjoy seeing the lights twinkling on the horizon - and marvel that Rampion 2 will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (though further out to sea). Try installing that on land!


    One of the things I have always wondered in the case of wind farms is whether bigger is better. Does a 600ft tall turbine generate twice as much energy as 2x 300ft turbines?
    I always blow the minds of people when I tell them you get more pizza with one 15 inch pizza than with 2 lots of 10 inch pizzas.
    I always find it frustrating that people don't get the square and cube rules and are always amazed that some small things can jump relatively high distances, or that sparrows can have very thin legs or elephants can't jump or that cats can fall off windowsills unharmed yet we break bones, etc, etc and don't get that it is just an obvious function of mathematics/physics.
    Dropping mammals down lift shafts: a mouse lives, a rat dies, a man breaks, a horse splashes.

    JBS Haldane
    Applies to money too, and talk of millions, billions and trillions - which get mixed up.

    In a potential taxpaying population of 50 million (UK is about this):

    £1m is 2p each

    £1bn is £20 each

    £1 tn is £20,000 each.

    I think it was someone on here the other day who mentioned the difference between a million, a billion and a trillion in a way people can envisage.

    1 million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes
    1 billion seconds is 31 and a half years
    1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years
    Maybe I'm too much of a physicist, but what's so hard about 10^6 versus 10^9 versus 10^12? :wink:
    (Assuming short scale, of course)
    Because people without a scientific way of thinking, are really, really bad at understanding large numbers.

    Most people’s experience of money, for example, runs to no more than 10^4 or 10^5, an annual salary or the price of a house. This is important in politics, where talk of billions and trillions go straight over the heads of the majority of the population.

  • Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.

    I would guess most people don't care either way and the people who get upset about it probably thought it happened twenty years ago.
    I've noticed it happening in my own household - used to be 50% white, now only 20%.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    pillsbury said:

    kjh said:

    While there has been some opposition to the offshore expansion of the Rampion wind farm off the Sussex coast, most of the debate has been about how the onshore bits get connected to the grid. This is the challenge with both offshore and onshore wind - ideally you want to build it as near to the people who will be using the power, and that’s where NIMBYs enter the frame. Personally I enjoy seeing the lights twinkling on the horizon - and marvel that Rampion 2 will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (though further out to sea). Try installing that on land!


    One of the things I have always wondered in the case of wind farms is whether bigger is better. Does a 600ft tall turbine generate twice as much energy as 2x 300ft turbines?
    I always blow the minds of people when I tell them you get more pizza with one 15 inch pizza than with 2 lots of 10 inch pizzas.
    I always find it frustrating that people don't get the square and cube rules and are always amazed that some small things can jump relatively high distances, or that sparrows can have very thin legs or elephants can't jump or that cats can fall off windowsills unharmed yet we break bones, etc, etc and don't get that it is just an obvious function of mathematics/physics.
    Dropping mammals down lift shafts: a mouse lives, a rat dies, a man breaks, a horse splashes.

    JBS Haldane
    Applies to money too, and talk of millions, billions and trillions - which get mixed up.

    In a potential taxpaying population of 50 million (UK is about this):

    £1m is 2p each

    £1bn is £20 each

    £1 tn is £20,000 each.

    I think it was someone on here the other day who mentioned the difference between a million, a billion and a trillion in a way people can envisage.

    1 million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes
    1 billion seconds is 31 and a half years
    1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years
    Maybe I'm too much of a physicist, but what's so hard about 10^6 versus 10^9 versus 10^12? :wink:
    (Assuming short scale, of course)
    Billion is ambiguous anyway - certainly for anyone over perhaps 40 or 50. I don't like using it for that reason, as I am nevr quite sure it is correctly understood.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    pillsbury said:

    kjh said:

    While there has been some opposition to the offshore expansion of the Rampion wind farm off the Sussex coast, most of the debate has been about how the onshore bits get connected to the grid. This is the challenge with both offshore and onshore wind - ideally you want to build it as near to the people who will be using the power, and that’s where NIMBYs enter the frame. Personally I enjoy seeing the lights twinkling on the horizon - and marvel that Rampion 2 will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (though further out to sea). Try installing that on land!


    One of the things I have always wondered in the case of wind farms is whether bigger is better. Does a 600ft tall turbine generate twice as much energy as 2x 300ft turbines?
    I always blow the minds of people when I tell them you get more pizza with one 15 inch pizza than with 2 lots of 10 inch pizzas.
    I always find it frustrating that people don't get the square and cube rules and are always amazed that some small things can jump relatively high distances, or that sparrows can have very thin legs or elephants can't jump or that cats can fall off windowsills unharmed yet we break bones, etc, etc and don't get that it is just an obvious function of mathematics/physics.
    Dropping mammals down lift shafts: a mouse lives, a rat dies, a man breaks, a horse splashes.

    JBS Haldane
    Applies to money too, and talk of millions, billions and trillions - which get mixed up.

    In a potential taxpaying population of 50 million (UK is about this):

    £1m is 2p each

    £1bn is £20 each

    £1 tn is £20,000 each.

    I think it was someone on here the other day who mentioned the difference between a million, a billion and a trillion in a way people can envisage.

    1 million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes
    1 billion seconds is 31 and a half years
    1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years
    Maybe I'm too much of a physicist, but what's so hard about 10^6 versus 10^9 versus 10^12? :wink:
    (Assuming short scale, of course)
    Because people without a scientific way of thinking, are really, really bad at understanding large numbers.

    Most people’s experience of money, for example, runs to no more than 10^4 or 10^5, an annual salary or the price of a house. This is important in politics, where talk of billions and trillions go straight over the heads of the majority of the population.

    Easy to get confused.

    https://youtu.be/cKKHSAE1gIs
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.

    Of course in this country and other European countries latinos would mostly be counted as white.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    Opinion Poll graphical summary - Tories going up, Labour going down.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

    Where recently labour had a tiny uptick on end of graph it has now vanished. Who was arguing with me such a thing is impossible?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    .
    rcs1000 said:

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    There are three fundamental issues with nuclear:

    (1) It's expensive.
    (2) It's not particularly reliable.
    (3) It's not flexible.

    Against that, it's another form of generation that is uncorrelated with sun, wind, fossil fuel prices. It probably has a place in the generating mix, if only to add resiliency. But it's no coincidence that the number of merchant nuclear power stations in the world is zero.
    There's no shortage of fuel, and supplies are available from non-petro states. so it provides a hedge.

    If we crack fusion, though, we'll be laughing. And soon shuttering the fission plants.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969

    Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.

    I would guess most people don't care either way and the people who get upset about it probably thought it happened twenty years ago.
    I've noticed it happening in my own household - used to be 50% white, now only 20%.
    The rise of Trump, Meloni, Le Pen, Farage etc though linked to white nationalism
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    Opinion Poll graphical summary - Tories going up, Labour going down.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

    Where recently labour had a tiny uptick on end of graph it has now vanished. Who was arguing with me such a thing is impossible?

    Since the budget the Tories are climbing at quite a rate now across majority of the polls with some outside of MOE movements.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    Nigelb said:

    .

    rcs1000 said:

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    There are three fundamental issues with nuclear:

    (1) It's expensive.
    (2) It's not particularly reliable.
    (3) It's not flexible.

    Against that, it's another form of generation that is uncorrelated with sun, wind, fossil fuel prices. It probably has a place in the generating mix, if only to add resiliency. But it's no coincidence that the number of merchant nuclear power stations in the world is zero.
    There's no shortage of fuel, and supplies are available from non-petro states. so it provides a hedge.

    If we crack fusion, though, we'll be laughing. And soon shuttering the fission plants.
    {Giggles, evilly, at the thought of free neutrons....}
  • Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
    Funny how many supposedly hard-pressed-for-money people seem to own one.
    Purchased on credit, just like the Range Rovers.
    I have wondered for a while if the car financing system is going to be the next big financial blow up.
    More likely that the new car market comes crashing down to Earth, because no-one can afford a £90k Range Rover with 8% APR. Probably a few hand-backs as redundancies tick up too, and the market for cheap used cars will stay strong.

    Reverse mortgages, on the other hand, will be the likely next big financial blow-up.
    Are those the same as equity release? I think they are capped here at the value of the property.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    pillsbury said:

    kjh said:

    While there has been some opposition to the offshore expansion of the Rampion wind farm off the Sussex coast, most of the debate has been about how the onshore bits get connected to the grid. This is the challenge with both offshore and onshore wind - ideally you want to build it as near to the people who will be using the power, and that’s where NIMBYs enter the frame. Personally I enjoy seeing the lights twinkling on the horizon - and marvel that Rampion 2 will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (though further out to sea). Try installing that on land!


    One of the things I have always wondered in the case of wind farms is whether bigger is better. Does a 600ft tall turbine generate twice as much energy as 2x 300ft turbines?
    I always blow the minds of people when I tell them you get more pizza with one 15 inch pizza than with 2 lots of 10 inch pizzas.
    I always find it frustrating that people don't get the square and cube rules and are always amazed that some small things can jump relatively high distances, or that sparrows can have very thin legs or elephants can't jump or that cats can fall off windowsills unharmed yet we break bones, etc, etc and don't get that it is just an obvious function of mathematics/physics.
    Dropping mammals down lift shafts: a mouse lives, a rat dies, a man breaks, a horse splashes.

    JBS Haldane
    Applies to money too, and talk of millions, billions and trillions - which get mixed up.

    In a potential taxpaying population of 50 million (UK is about this):

    £1m is 2p each

    £1bn is £20 each

    £1 tn is £20,000 each.

    I think it was someone on here the other day who mentioned the difference between a million, a billion and a trillion in a way people can envisage.

    1 million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes
    1 billion seconds is 31 and a half years
    1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years
    Maybe I'm too much of a physicist, but what's so hard about 10^6 versus 10^9 versus 10^12? :wink:
    (Assuming short scale, of course)
    Because people without a scientific way of thinking, are really, really bad at understanding large numbers.

    Most people’s experience of money, for example, runs to no more than 10^4 or 10^5, an annual salary or the price of a house. This is important in politics, where talk of billions and trillions go straight over the heads of the majority of the population.

    Yeah, I wasn't being serious :wink: I remember a nice video with a guy walking, driving etc distances of various amounts of cash if you laid it end to end.

    Another thing people struggle with is distances and relative sizes in space. I remember the first time I saw a scale model of the solar system, it was pretty mind blowing how big the sun is and how big the distances are.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    pillsbury said:

    kjh said:

    While there has been some opposition to the offshore expansion of the Rampion wind farm off the Sussex coast, most of the debate has been about how the onshore bits get connected to the grid. This is the challenge with both offshore and onshore wind - ideally you want to build it as near to the people who will be using the power, and that’s where NIMBYs enter the frame. Personally I enjoy seeing the lights twinkling on the horizon - and marvel that Rampion 2 will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (though further out to sea). Try installing that on land!


    One of the things I have always wondered in the case of wind farms is whether bigger is better. Does a 600ft tall turbine generate twice as much energy as 2x 300ft turbines?
    I always blow the minds of people when I tell them you get more pizza with one 15 inch pizza than with 2 lots of 10 inch pizzas.
    I always find it frustrating that people don't get the square and cube rules and are always amazed that some small things can jump relatively high distances, or that sparrows can have very thin legs or elephants can't jump or that cats can fall off windowsills unharmed yet we break bones, etc, etc and don't get that it is just an obvious function of mathematics/physics.
    Dropping mammals down lift shafts: a mouse lives, a rat dies, a man breaks, a horse splashes.

    JBS Haldane
    Applies to money too, and talk of millions, billions and trillions - which get mixed up.

    In a potential taxpaying population of 50 million (UK is about this):

    £1m is 2p each

    £1bn is £20 each

    £1 tn is £20,000 each.

    I think it was someone on here the other day who mentioned the difference between a million, a billion and a trillion in a way people can envisage.

    1 million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes
    1 billion seconds is 31 and a half years
    1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years
    Maybe I'm too much of a physicist, but what's so hard about 10^6 versus 10^9 versus 10^12? :wink:
    (Assuming short scale, of course)
    It's more that most people are too little of a physicist (or mathematician).

    Intuitively, 10^9 feels like half as much again as 10^6 to most people. We all know better of course, but sadly there are a lot of intelligent people (Mrs P. is one of them) whop just don't know what 10^9 means.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,727
    rcs1000 said:

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    There are three fundamental issues with nuclear:

    (1) It's expensive.
    (2) It's not particularly reliable.
    (3) It's not flexible.

    Against that, it's another form of generation that is uncorrelated with sun, wind, fossil fuel prices. It probably has a place in the generating mix, if only to add resiliency. But it's no coincidence that the number of merchant nuclear power stations in the world is zero.
    In the UK, it seems to you can add

    (4) The French :open_mouth:
    (5) If not 4, the Chinese :open_mouth::scream:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073

    Nigelb said:

    .

    rcs1000 said:

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    There are three fundamental issues with nuclear:

    (1) It's expensive.
    (2) It's not particularly reliable.
    (3) It's not flexible.

    Against that, it's another form of generation that is uncorrelated with sun, wind, fossil fuel prices. It probably has a place in the generating mix, if only to add resiliency. But it's no coincidence that the number of merchant nuclear power stations in the world is zero.
    There's no shortage of fuel, and supplies are available from non-petro states. so it provides a hedge.

    If we crack fusion, though, we'll be laughing. And soon shuttering the fission plants.
    {Giggles, evilly, at the thought of free neutrons....}
    Cheap, not free.
    And captured by the liquid lithium heat exchange system, conveniently producing a bit of tritium into the bargain.
    https://firstlightfusion.com/technology/power-plant
    ...The thick liquid lithium also blocks the neutrons from reaching the vessel, meaning that it will last for the lifetime of the plant. The liquid first wall also addresses the issue of very high heat flux. Some of the lithium will be vapourised by the energy release, but it simply recondenses.

    There is a large amount of existing engineering that can be reused to realise this plant design. Fast breeder reactors, a type of nuclear plant, use liquid metal as the coolant, typically sodium or sodium-potassium mixture. The engineering from these plants can be ported over to lithium. After the lithium heat exchanger, the plant is identical to many other already working facilities...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    pillsbury said:

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
    Funny how many supposedly hard-pressed-for-money people seem to own one.
    Purchased on credit, just like the Range Rovers.
    I have wondered for a while if the car financing system is going to be the next big financial blow up.
    More likely that the new car market comes crashing down to Earth, because no-one can afford a £90k Range Rover with 8% APR. Probably a few hand-backs as redundancies tick up too, and the market for cheap used cars will stay strong.

    Reverse mortgages, on the other hand, will be the likely next big financial blow-up.
    Are those the same as equity release? I think they are capped here at the value of the property.
    Yes, and they are indeed capped way, way below the value of the property, to allow for depreciation in the asset and an actuarial estimate of the interest to accrue in future.

    All that stops them being a massive scandal, is that those who are getting ripped off, are usually dead when it becomes apparent.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Selebian said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    There are three fundamental issues with nuclear:

    (1) It's expensive.
    (2) It's not particularly reliable.
    (3) It's not flexible.

    Against that, it's another form of generation that is uncorrelated with sun, wind, fossil fuel prices. It probably has a place in the generating mix, if only to add resiliency. But it's no coincidence that the number of merchant nuclear power stations in the world is zero.
    In the UK, it seems to you can add

    (4) The French :open_mouth:
    (5) If not 4, the Chinese :open_mouth::scream:
    4 and especially 5 is the reason why we should be doing everything we can to help Rolls Royce build their mini-nuclear stations.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    Driver said:

    Ah, so it's essentially using Imessage instead of SMS.

    Doesn't everyone just use either Whatsapp or Facebook messenger anyway? Can't remember the last time I sent or received an actual SMS.

    The US is one of the very few countries where a third party over-the-top messaging app does not dominate. So whilst everyone else manages with cross-platform apps like WhatsApp, WeChat, Messenger, Telegram and so on, so that essentially everyone can have all the rich instant messaging features, in the US you get about half the country using iMessage and everyone else having to put up with some broken SMS/MMS garbage as a result.

    Maybe one day they will figure it out.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,526
    An upset in prospect in a Thursday by-election in my patch - the Tories have suspended their candidate in the (hitherto comfortably Tory-held) Chiddingford and Dunsfold Waverley Borough Council by-election on Thursday having discovered that he made a social media post that "could be considered to be inappropriate" - they have halted their campaign. The LibDems have targeted the seat, and Labour are standing as well.

    The seat is classic Blue Wall and noted for some extremely expensive large houses - I've done a bit of (frankly not very fruitful) phone canvassing there and lots of homes have 5 or more voters. Ironically, the seat will disappear due to redistricting in May, so LibDems and Labour didn't try to trigger it when one of the current councillors sadly died, but the Tories went ahead and called it anyway.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited November 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.

    Of course in this country and other European countries latinos would mostly be counted as white.
    Maybe. I don’t know.

    But if so, London is probably the Western world’s first majority non-white large metro.

    In the context of “uncontrolled” European migration, that’s quite something.

    Sydney (just checking) is 60% white.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,270
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    rcs1000 said:

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    There are three fundamental issues with nuclear:

    (1) It's expensive.
    (2) It's not particularly reliable.
    (3) It's not flexible.

    Against that, it's another form of generation that is uncorrelated with sun, wind, fossil fuel prices. It probably has a place in the generating mix, if only to add resiliency. But it's no coincidence that the number of merchant nuclear power stations in the world is zero.
    There's no shortage of fuel, and supplies are available from non-petro states. so it provides a hedge.

    If we crack fusion, though, we'll be laughing. And soon shuttering the fission plants.
    {Giggles, evilly, at the thought of free neutrons....}
    Cheap, not free.
    And captured by the liquid lithium heat exchange system, conveniently producing a bit of tritium into the bargain.
    https://firstlightfusion.com/technology/power-plant
    ...The thick liquid lithium also blocks the neutrons from reaching the vessel, meaning that it will last for the lifetime of the plant. The liquid first wall also addresses the issue of very high heat flux. Some of the lithium will be vapourised by the energy release, but it simply recondenses.

    There is a large amount of existing engineering that can be reused to realise this plant design. Fast breeder reactors, a type of nuclear plant, use liquid metal as the coolant, typically sodium or sodium-potassium mixture. The engineering from these plants can be ported over to lithium. After the lithium heat exchanger, the plant is identical to many other already working facilities...
    Or slabs of uranium if you are that kind of person.

    The free neutrons thing is about the fact that you have a staggering amount of neutrons you don't want.

    Turn them into nice nuclear weapons. It will make so many people, so so happy.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829
    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    pillsbury said:

    kjh said:

    While there has been some opposition to the offshore expansion of the Rampion wind farm off the Sussex coast, most of the debate has been about how the onshore bits get connected to the grid. This is the challenge with both offshore and onshore wind - ideally you want to build it as near to the people who will be using the power, and that’s where NIMBYs enter the frame. Personally I enjoy seeing the lights twinkling on the horizon - and marvel that Rampion 2 will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (though further out to sea). Try installing that on land!


    One of the things I have always wondered in the case of wind farms is whether bigger is better. Does a 600ft tall turbine generate twice as much energy as 2x 300ft turbines?
    I always blow the minds of people when I tell them you get more pizza with one 15 inch pizza than with 2 lots of 10 inch pizzas.
    I always find it frustrating that people don't get the square and cube rules and are always amazed that some small things can jump relatively high distances, or that sparrows can have very thin legs or elephants can't jump or that cats can fall off windowsills unharmed yet we break bones, etc, etc and don't get that it is just an obvious function of mathematics/physics.
    Dropping mammals down lift shafts: a mouse lives, a rat dies, a man breaks, a horse splashes.

    JBS Haldane
    Applies to money too, and talk of millions, billions and trillions - which get mixed up.

    In a potential taxpaying population of 50 million (UK is about this):

    £1m is 2p each

    £1bn is £20 each

    £1 tn is £20,000 each.

    I think it was someone on here the other day who mentioned the difference between a million, a billion and a trillion in a way people can envisage.

    1 million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes
    1 billion seconds is 31 and a half years
    1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years
    Maybe I'm too much of a physicist, but what's so hard about 10^6 versus 10^9 versus 10^12? :wink:
    (Assuming short scale, of course)
    Billion is ambiguous anyway - certainly for anyone over perhaps 40 or 50. I don't like using it for that reason, as I am nevr quite sure it is correctly understood.

    We should call them gigadollars and gigapounds.
  • Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    pillsbury said:

    kjh said:

    While there has been some opposition to the offshore expansion of the Rampion wind farm off the Sussex coast, most of the debate has been about how the onshore bits get connected to the grid. This is the challenge with both offshore and onshore wind - ideally you want to build it as near to the people who will be using the power, and that’s where NIMBYs enter the frame. Personally I enjoy seeing the lights twinkling on the horizon - and marvel that Rampion 2 will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (though further out to sea). Try installing that on land!


    One of the things I have always wondered in the case of wind farms is whether bigger is better. Does a 600ft tall turbine generate twice as much energy as 2x 300ft turbines?
    I always blow the minds of people when I tell them you get more pizza with one 15 inch pizza than with 2 lots of 10 inch pizzas.
    I always find it frustrating that people don't get the square and cube rules and are always amazed that some small things can jump relatively high distances, or that sparrows can have very thin legs or elephants can't jump or that cats can fall off windowsills unharmed yet we break bones, etc, etc and don't get that it is just an obvious function of mathematics/physics.
    Dropping mammals down lift shafts: a mouse lives, a rat dies, a man breaks, a horse splashes.

    JBS Haldane
    Applies to money too, and talk of millions, billions and trillions - which get mixed up.

    In a potential taxpaying population of 50 million (UK is about this):

    £1m is 2p each

    £1bn is £20 each

    £1 tn is £20,000 each.

    I think it was someone on here the other day who mentioned the difference between a million, a billion and a trillion in a way people can envisage.

    1 million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes
    1 billion seconds is 31 and a half years
    1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years
    Maybe I'm too much of a physicist, but what's so hard about 10^6 versus 10^9 versus 10^12? :wink:
    (Assuming short scale, of course)
    It's more that most people are too little of a physicist (or mathematician).

    Intuitively, 10^9 feels like half as much again as 10^6 to most people. We all know better of course, but sadly there are a lot of intelligent people (Mrs P. is one of them) whop just don't know what 10^9 means.
    I am appalled by the claim that there are only 10^80 particles in the observable universe. It seems pitifully few.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803
    Can't remember who it was who introduced me to redactle yesterday, but I've just got today's in 13.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,749

    Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.

    You should see the shocking number of Latinos in cities like Rome and Madrid. I don't know what the world's coming to.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,789

    An upset in prospect in a Thursday by-election in my patch - the Tories have suspended their candidate in the (hitherto comfortably Tory-held) Chiddingford and Dunsfold Waverley Borough Council by-election on Thursday having discovered that he made a social media post that "could be considered to be inappropriate" - they have halted their campaign. The LibDems have targeted the seat, and Labour are standing as well.

    The seat is classic Blue Wall and noted for some extremely expensive large houses - I've done a bit of (frankly not very fruitful) phone canvassing there and lots of homes have 5 or more voters. Ironically, the seat will disappear due to redistricting in May, so LibDems and Labour didn't try to trigger it when one of the current councillors sadly died, but the Tories went ahead and called it anyway.

    What is the status of the development of the airfield Nick. Is it going ahead because that must be a big voting issue. Lots and lots of houses and no more top gear. Went to watch top gear there once.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited November 2022
    pillsbury said:

    Selebian said:

    algarkirk said:

    pillsbury said:

    kjh said:

    While there has been some opposition to the offshore expansion of the Rampion wind farm off the Sussex coast, most of the debate has been about how the onshore bits get connected to the grid. This is the challenge with both offshore and onshore wind - ideally you want to build it as near to the people who will be using the power, and that’s where NIMBYs enter the frame. Personally I enjoy seeing the lights twinkling on the horizon - and marvel that Rampion 2 will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (though further out to sea). Try installing that on land!


    One of the things I have always wondered in the case of wind farms is whether bigger is better. Does a 600ft tall turbine generate twice as much energy as 2x 300ft turbines?
    I always blow the minds of people when I tell them you get more pizza with one 15 inch pizza than with 2 lots of 10 inch pizzas.
    I always find it frustrating that people don't get the square and cube rules and are always amazed that some small things can jump relatively high distances, or that sparrows can have very thin legs or elephants can't jump or that cats can fall off windowsills unharmed yet we break bones, etc, etc and don't get that it is just an obvious function of mathematics/physics.
    Dropping mammals down lift shafts: a mouse lives, a rat dies, a man breaks, a horse splashes.

    JBS Haldane
    Applies to money too, and talk of millions, billions and trillions - which get mixed up.

    In a potential taxpaying population of 50 million (UK is about this):

    £1m is 2p each

    £1bn is £20 each

    £1 tn is £20,000 each.

    I think it was someone on here the other day who mentioned the difference between a million, a billion and a trillion in a way people can envisage.

    1 million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes
    1 billion seconds is 31 and a half years
    1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years
    Maybe I'm too much of a physicist, but what's so hard about 10^6 versus 10^9 versus 10^12? :wink:
    (Assuming short scale, of course)
    It's more that most people are too little of a physicist (or mathematician).

    Intuitively, 10^9 feels like half as much again as 10^6 to most people. We all know better of course, but sadly there are a lot of intelligent people (Mrs P. is one of them) whop just don't know what 10^9 means.
    I am appalled by the claim that there are only 10^80 particles in the observable universe. It seems pitifully few.
    Yes, that’s the ‘grains of rice on a chessboard’ problem. It seems easy, until you realise that (2^64 -1), the number of grains on the last square, is many orders of magnitude higher than the world’s production of rice!

    https://www.mathscareers.org.uk/the-rice-and-chessboard-legend/

    If the average person gets really confused by millions and trillions, they get impossibly confused by exponential powers.
  • Weather or Not You Want It Report - It's snowing in Seattle!

    Started to flurry couple of hours ago, snow is now accumulating on my humble front porch (temp just above freezing) so far NOT on roads.

    We have a winter storm advisory for all of Western Washington, expecting a couple of inches in the lowlands, more in foothills, WAY more up in the mountains.

    BTW, today is the day when counties in WA State certify their results for 2022 general election. Was planning on heading up to neighboring county, where there's a close legislative race heading for mandatory recount.

    HOWEVER, am reconsidering based on the snow, as local roads are gonna be a mess. Plus fact that, even though there's a recount, the margin is simply too large for the result to be overturned.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited November 2022
    All this talk of Latinos...I thought that was a bit like BAME, now deemed offensive...it had to be LatinX.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    "The Tory immigration failure
    A Nigel Farage insurgency is the inevitable result
    BY MATTHEW GOODWIN"

    https://unherd.com/2022/11/the-tory-immigration-failure/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    For everyone bemoaning - rightly - the state of the NHS - a thread from Quebec

    Not noticeably better in A&E

    “Here’s what it’s like when your kids get sick in Québec right now – a long thread.”

    https://twitter.com/emer_otoole/status/1595973235073585152?s=46&t=fDY6h9wP5ctAuSTbGsWVFA
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Chris said:

    Surprising little commentary at the news that London and Birmingham are now minority white cities.

    I had to check Auckland (still over 54% white, and New York (just 31% white, and indeed likely to see Latino become the single largest ethnic group this decade).

    Those are New World cities of course, London must be uniquely diverse as an Old World city.

    You should see the shocking number of Latinos in cities like Rome and Madrid. I don't know what the world's coming to.
    Latinos doesn’t mean “Italian” or even “Spanish”, though.
  • I've done some very rough numbers on onshore wind to power all domestic energy use

    I chose Scout Moor wind farm pretty much at random. It's quite old; was started fifteen years ago. So some prices will have gone up a lot, but I'd guess some prices would come down if we did a huge program of making and building this stuff ourselves

    Scout Moor cost £50m for 26 turbines, about £2m per turbine

    It produces the current total energy use of 40,000 homes, or about 1,500 per turbine

    When running at maximum capacity, a single turbine will provide peak electricity demand for about 1,000 homes

    When we triple total electricity usage per household by turning to electric heating and cars, then one turbine will provide the annual energy for about 500 homes

    This works out quite well with peak electricity demand probably doubling to take account of heating and lights in winter

    But this assumes perfect energy storage

    We're nowhere near that, so I think we need to nearly double the number of turbines to get to 300 homes per turbine

    And everyone would need a battery room at home

    How much would a 100kWh battery cost? That would power the average household for almost a fortnight on current demand

    So, say price per turbine is now £3m, but with no increase in efficiency from 2007, it would cost about £10,000 per household to get their turbine built, and about the same for the battery room (I'm completely guessing there)

    So about £20,000 per household for pretty much free energy (obviously will have to pay toward maintenance and replacements eventually)

    Not much over half a trillion to make us totally onshore wind powered

    Done over ten years that wouldn't be totally insane

    And we obviously don't need to do it all with onshore wind. Or have every house with a battery room
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,829

    All this talk of Latinos...I thought that was a bit like BAME, now deemed offensive...it had to be LatinX.

    Our US division got mad push back when the local HR team tried to do that. Loads of reply all emails from Latino people telling them to get fucked in different ways. I think they just use "Latin American people" now.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up.

    The more immigrants we get the more religious we get
    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Romania or Malta - are no better than in irreligious places.

    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Pakistan or the UAE - are way higher than in irreligious places.
    My point is that there's no simple correlation. You can't just say - religious therefore lots of babies born. Hence Malta (where only 2% of the population are irreligious) has one of the lowest birthrates in the world.

    Indeed, if you want to look at causation, I think it probably goes more like this:

    Poor country -> more likely to have a high birthrate
    Poor country -> more likely to be religious
    And the more the boats come from Africa and the more the migrants come from South Asia in turn the more religious we get again
    Would you say the trend is your friend here:


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    All this talk of Latinos...I thought that was a bit like BAME, now deemed offensive...it had to be LatinX.

    Wasn’t that the term that rich white educated Americans decided should be used for people of South American origin, for reasons of gender ambiguity - without asking them first, and with a predictable backlash?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up.

    The more immigrants we get the more religious we get
    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Romania or Malta - are no better than in irreligious places.

    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Pakistan or the UAE - are way higher than in irreligious places.
    My point is that there's no simple correlation. You can't just say - religious therefore lots of babies born. Hence Malta (where only 2% of the population are irreligious) has one of the lowest birthrates in the world.

    Indeed, if you want to look at causation, I think it probably goes more like this:

    Poor country -> more likely to have a high birthrate
    Poor country -> more likely to be religious
    And the more the boats come from Africa and the more the migrants come from South Asia in turn the more religious we get again
    Would you say the trend is your friend here:


    The line for "woke" is missing.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    Looks like we'll be playing Senegal in the next round. They look pretty decent.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,020
    edited November 2022
    Sandpit said:

    All this talk of Latinos...I thought that was a bit like BAME, now deemed offensive...it had to be LatinX.

    Wasn’t that the term that rich white educated Americans decided should be used for people of South American origin, for reasons of gender ambiguity - without asking them first, and with a predictable backlash?
    Yeap......I mean I think Latino doesn't always go down in itself. People from Cuba don't exactly like being lumped in with say Mexicans, in the same way as some on here wouldn't like to be lumped interchangbly with the French.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    edited November 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    "The Tory immigration failure
    A Nigel Farage insurgency is the inevitable result
    BY MATTHEW GOODWIN"

    https://unherd.com/2022/11/the-tory-immigration-failure/

    It's curious the events that pundits have proclaimed to be 'great news for Nigel Farage' over the years. Cameron sacking Owen Paterson, Grant Shapps mentioning 'Bingo' in a budget tweet are two that spring to mind. Yet still the man's career never rises above right-wing shock jock and Trump groupie. Why is this?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    The narrative keeps crumbling

    “Dr. Fauci: "Almost certain" we didn't fund the Wuhan virus that became Covid-19”

    They are going from “lab leak is a baseless racist conspiracy theory” to “ok maybe it came from the lab but at least America didn’t fund the gain of function research. Probably”

    https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1597346624086343681?s=46&t=fDY6h9wP5ctAuSTbGsWVFA


    So that’s cool then. America “almost certainly” didn’t pay to kill 20 million people
  • rcs1000 said:

    Looks like we'll be playing Senegal in the next round. They look pretty decent.

    Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I'm on Iran to win the group at 14.5.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    Andy_JS said:

    "The Tory immigration failure
    A Nigel Farage insurgency is the inevitable result
    BY MATTHEW GOODWIN"

    https://unherd.com/2022/11/the-tory-immigration-failure/

    Do you think Nigel Farage has Goodwin on a retainer?
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