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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    Or (C ) -develop tidal energy (without fission's risks and legacy storage issues - and exorbitant subsidies by taxpayer or billpayer) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).

  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,503
    theProle said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    CoE will probably take a big hit early next year. If, as is likely, the "Living in Love and Faith*" stuff goes the way the liberals want, a lot of the evangelicals will be off out, either as individuals or entire churches. I'm on the PCC of an evangelical Anglican church that's currently within the CoE - the conversation at our meetings has moved on from "if this goes through should we leave?" to "what practical stuff do we need to do now to leave next year, and should we join AMiE or one of the other alternatives?"

    We're by far the largest Anglican church for miles - our main Sunday service is probably 3 times the congregations of the other five Anglicans churches in town put together.

    I'm not sure that the liberals will be as pleased with the husk of a church they will end up being left with as they currently expect.

    *basically permitting gay marriage in church
    I don't have a dog in this fight, but becoming the non-established branch splitting over that issue sounds a good plan for becoming a husk themselves within a generation. The CoE is as you imply hollowed out, but still held in some affection by most people as the reliably moderate place where you can without embarassment get married and buried, plus maybe sing in a choir. A splinter group based on opposition to gay marriage? Not so much.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,609
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up...
    There's a number of dubious assumptions there.

    Dubious assumptions all the way down, I'd say. Along the lines of old people are dying off, young people are being born - given enogh time, everyone will be young.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    Or (C ) -develop tidal energy (without fission's risks and legacy storage issues - and exorbitant subsidies by taxpayer or billpayer) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).

    I don't disagree, but the Greens hate tidal too because of the threats to the ecosystem (silting up, migration etc etc etc).
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    Or (C ) -develop tidal energy (without fission's risks and legacy storage issues - and exorbitant subsidies by taxpayer or billpayer) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).

    I don't disagree, but the Greens hate tidal too because of the threats to the ecosystem (silting up, migration etc etc etc).
    Wrong. Greenpeace and WWT both supported the Swansea tidal lagoon.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,205

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. (Snip)
    They're the same with high-speed rail. They chundered on for decades about getting high-speed rail into the UK, then realised a lot of their home counties supporters disliked HS2, so called it the 'wrong' high-speed rail project.

    Fortunately not all of them are like that:
    https://hs2.green/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,267
    edited November 2022
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up...
    There's a number of dubious assumptions there.

    Not at all, native white British have an average less than 2 children per woman if they have children at all.

    British Muslims, Black British and indeed evangelical and Orthodox Jewish British all have far more children per woman than secular British do.

    If liberal secular atheists stop breeding in the long run they will lose the culture wars even if they get a temporary victory
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    edited November 2022
    theProle said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    CoE will probably take a big hit early next year. If, as is likely, the "Living in Love and Faith*" stuff goes the way the liberals want, a lot of the evangelicals will be off out, either as individuals or entire churches. I'm on the PCC of an evangelical Anglican church that's currently within the CoE - the conversation at our meetings has moved on from "if this goes through should we leave?" to "what practical stuff do we need to do now to leave next year, and should we join AMiE or one of the other alternatives?"

    We're by far the largest Anglican church for miles - our main Sunday service is probably 3 times the congregations of the other five Anglicans churches in town put together.

    I'm not sure that the liberals will be as pleased with the husk of a church they will end up being left with as they currently expect.

    *basically permitting gay marriage in church


    Unless I'm mistaken and things have changed without me picking up on the change - while your priest can resign and (some of) the congregation will leave - you won't be able to continue using the church and you will need to find somewhere else to hold whatever services your new church wishes to hold.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006

    I've just been emailed about the Chester parliamentary by-election, this Thursday.

    The excitement is palpable. Has any parliamentary by-election ever attracted so little comment/speculation, on PB or elsewhere?

    Live in the constituency. Labour will cruise it on a lowish turnout. Loads of Labour posters. Been canvassed twice by Labour. Tories & Lib Dems nowhere to be seen. Surprising as it was Tory until 1997 and they won again in 2010. Smattering of Green Party posters. Nothing to get excited about really.
  • HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up...
    There's a number of dubious assumptions there.

    Not at all, native white British have an average less than 2 children per woman if they have children at all.

    British Muslims, Black British and indeed evangelical and Orthodox Jewish British all have far more children per woman than secular British do.

    If liberal secular atheists stop breeding in the long run they will lose the culture wars even if they get a temporary victory
    Bigotry is fortunately not a heritable characteristic.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    edited November 2022
    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    edited November 2022
    Completist guide to Group A qualification

    Netherlands will qualify if:
    They win or draw against Qatar
    They lose to Qatar and Ecuador beat Senegal
    They lose to Qatar by one goal and Ecuador v Senegal ihey lose to Qatar by two goals, Ecuador v Senegal is drawn and they score at least as many times as Senegal
    They lose to Qatar and Senegal beat Ecuador by a larger margin
    They lose to Qatar, Senegal beat Ecuador by the same margin, but they score more times than Ecuador
    They lose to Qatar by the same SCORE as Ecuador lose to Senegal, and win the drawing of lots.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,785
    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    It's getting to winter, and they're the only people still counting?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    pillsbury said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up...
    There's a number of dubious assumptions there.

    Not at all, native white British have an average less than 2 children per woman if they have children at all.

    British Muslims, Black British and indeed evangelical and Orthodox Jewish British all have far more children per woman than secular British do.

    If liberal secular atheists stop breeding in the long run they will lose the culture wars even if they get a temporary victory
    Bigotry is fortunately not a heritable characteristic.
    Actually, there is some evidence that political/religious views might be partly heritable

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/09/study-on-twins-suggests-our-political-beliefs-may-be-hard-wired/
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,851
    edited November 2022
    One for leon

    (if you've got any influence with the forces of darkness could you ask them to do their business elsewhere.....)

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-crypto-billionaire-dies-freak-28610220
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,708
    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    How many people die every day in Japan. 4000? 5000? I'd stay calm for now.
  • pillsbury said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up...
    There's a number of dubious assumptions there.

    Not at all, native white British have an average less than 2 children per woman if they have children at all.

    British Muslims, Black British and indeed evangelical and Orthodox Jewish British all have far more children per woman than secular British do.

    If liberal secular atheists stop breeding in the long run they will lose the culture wars even if they get a temporary victory
    Bigotry is fortunately not a heritable characteristic.
    Only if you assume brain structure is not a heritable characteristic.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    It's getting to winter, and they're the only people still counting?
    No, I think something is happening

    I've heard anecdotally it is re-emerging in Hong Kong, as well

    Hopefully just a lack of immunity giving them a final wave? Heaven fucking forfend it is another strain
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    Pro_Rata said:

    Completist guide to Group A qualification

    Netherlands will qualify if:
    They win or draw against Qatar
    They lose to Qatar and Ecuador beat Senegal
    They lose to Qatar by one goal and Ecuador v Senegal ihey lose to Qatar by two goals, Ecuador v Senegal is drawn and they score at least as many times as Senegal
    They lose to Qatar and Senegal beat Ecuador by a larger margin
    They lose to Qatar, Senegal beat Ecuador by the same margin, but they score more times than Ecuador
    They lose to Qatar by the same SCORE as Ecuador lose to Senegal, and win the drawing of lots.

    Ecuador will qualify if:
    - They win or draw against Senegal
    - They lose to Senegal, but Qatar beat Netherlands by a larger margin
    - They lose to Senegal, Qatar beat Netherlands by the same margin, but they score more times than the Netherlands
    - They lose to Senegal by the same score as Qatar beat the Netherlands, and win the drawing of lots.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    Or (C ) -develop tidal energy (without fission's risks and legacy storage issues - and exorbitant subsidies by taxpayer or billpayer) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).

    I don't disagree, but the Greens hate tidal too because of the threats to the ecosystem (silting up, migration etc etc etc).
    Wrong. Greenpeace and WWT both supported the Swansea tidal lagoon.
    The Green Party is not Greenpeace
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    edited November 2022

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    How many people die every day in Japan. 4000? 5000? I'd stay calm for now.
    Trust me, I am calm (by my standards) - but also watchful. There are signs of a re-emergence in east Asia. This might explain why ALL of them are still wearing masks

    In Japan every single Covid wave has been worse than the last, in terms of cases, so far

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

    We shall see
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022
    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    It's getting to winter, and they're the only people still counting?
    No, I think something is happening

    I've heard anecdotally it is re-emerging in Hong Kong, as well

    Hopefully just a lack of immunity giving them a final wave? Heaven fucking forfend it is another strain
    Remember very low vaccination rates (especially among old) in Hong Kong and I think Japan they struggled to get massive take up of a 3rd / 4th / 5th jab.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Completist guide to Group A qualification

    Netherlands will qualify if:
    They win or draw against Qatar
    They lose to Qatar and Ecuador beat Senegal
    They lose to Qatar by one goal and Ecuador v Senegal is drawn.
    They lose to Qatar by two goals, Ecuador v Senegal is drawn and they score at least as many times as Senegal
    They lose to Qatar and Senegal beat Ecuador by a larger margin
    They lose to Qatar, Senegal beat Ecuador by the same margin, but they score more times than Ecuador
    They lose to Qatar by the same SCORE as Ecuador lose to Senegal, and win the drawing of lots.

    Ecuador will qualify if:
    - They win or draw against Senegal
    - They lose to Senegal, but Qatar beat Netherlands by a larger margin
    - They lose to Senegal, Qatar beat Netherlands by the same margin, but they score more times than the Netherlands
    - They lose to Senegal by the same score as Qatar beat the Netherlands, and win the drawing of lots.
    Senegal will qualify if:
    - They beat Ecuador
    - They draw against Ecuador and Qatar beat Netherlands by 3 or more goals.
    - They draw against Ecuador, Qatar beat Netherlands by 2 goals and they score more times than Netherlands.

    Qatar cannot qualify.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    It's getting to winter, and they're the only people still counting?
    No, I think something is happening

    I've heard anecdotally it is re-emerging in Hong Kong, as well

    Hopefully just a lack of immunity giving them a final wave? Heaven fucking forfend it is another strain
    There’ll be new strains forevermore. They’re counting more that’s all.
  • edbedb Posts: 66
    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022
    edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    This afternoon the official UK page will be updated to show what percentage of 50+ have had their autumn booster (replacing the 1/2/3rd numbers). Be interesting to see the uptake.

    Edit - Missed that info is already available on a different page,

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations?areaType=nation&areaName=England

    Looks like ~70-80% for the high risk groups. Its 50-60 year olds who don't seem to have really taken it up.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    edited November 2022
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    It's getting to winter, and they're the only people still counting?
    No, I think something is happening

    I've heard anecdotally it is re-emerging in Hong Kong, as well

    Hopefully just a lack of immunity giving them a final wave? Heaven fucking forfend it is another strain
    There’ll be new strains forevermore. They’re counting more that’s all.
    The Japanese themselves are now getting a little worried. This is a headline designed for me. It mentions "normalcy bias"

    https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/society/coronavirus/20221129-73954/

    What's slightly perplexing is that the Japs have v high vax rates - 80% of the country or more - AND they are still taking far more precautions than us: universal masking indoors and out, for a start. Yet still the case load surges

    Could this be another, more infectious strain?

    Of course, this must be expected, but it is also tedious as feck
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    How many people die every day in Japan. 4000? 5000? I'd stay calm for now.
    Trust me, I am calm (by my standards) - but also watchful. There are signs of a re-emergence in east Asia. This might explain why ALL of them are still wearing masks

    In Japan every single Covid wave has been worse than the last, in terms of cases, so far

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/

    We shall see
    @Leon keeping calm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI2mCG8trhc
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,890
    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    Completist guide to Group B qualification:

    England will qualify if:
    - They win, draw or lose by less than 4 goals to Wales
    - They lose by 4 or 5 goals to Wales and Iran v USA is drawn
    - They lose by 6 goals to Wales, Iran v USA is drawn, and Iran fail to score 3 more goals than they do.

    Iran will qualify:
    - If they win against USA
    - If they draw and Wales fail to beat England
    - If they draw and Wales beat England by 7 goals or more
    - If they draw, Wales beat England by 6 goals, and they score 3 goals more than England

    USA will qualify:
    - If and only if they win against Iran

    Wales will qualify:
    - If they beat England and USA vs Iran is drawn
    - If they beat England by 4 goals or more
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    It's getting to winter, and they're the only people still counting?
    No, I think something is happening

    I've heard anecdotally it is re-emerging in Hong Kong, as well

    Hopefully just a lack of immunity giving them a final wave? Heaven fucking forfend it is another strain
    There’ll be new strains forevermore. They’re counting more that’s all.
    The Japanese themselves are now getting a little worried. This is a headline designed for me. It mentions "normalcy bias"

    https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/society/coronavirus/20221129-73954/

    What's slightly perplexing is that the Japs have v high vax rates - 80% of the country or more - AND they are still taking far more precautions than us: universal masking indoors and out, for a start. Yet still the case load surges

    Could this be another, more infectious strain?

    Of course, this must be expected, but it is also tedious as feck
    They have had a pretty low take up in boosters though, let alone 4th/5th doses many in the UK have had.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    edited November 2022

    edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    This afternoon the official UK page will be updated to show what percentage of 50+ have had their autumn booster (replacing the 1/2/3rd numbers). Be interesting to see the uptake.

    Edit - Missed that info is already available on a different page,

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations?areaType=nation&areaName=England

    Looks like ~70-80% for the high risk groups. Its 50-60 year olds who don't seem to have really taken it up.
    In the last week my wife and I have received our 5th covid vaccine (and we had covid rather badly in July)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,890
    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,736
    Pro_Rata said:

    Completist guide to Group B qualification:

    England will qualify if:
    - They win, draw or lose by less than 4 goals to Wales
    - They lose by 4 or 5 goals to Wales and Iran v USA is drawn
    - They lose by 6 goals to Wales, Iran v USA is drawn, and Iran fail to score 3 more goals than they do.

    Iran will qualify:
    - If they win against USA
    - If they draw and Wales fail to beat England
    - If they draw and Wales beat England by 7 goals or more
    - If they draw, Wales beat England by 6 goals, and they score 3 goals more than England

    USA will qualify:
    - If and only if they win against Iran

    Wales will qualify:
    - If they beat England and USA vs Iran is drawn
    - If they beat England by 4 goals or more

    Or the horse talks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    Oh God - someone flick the Leon randomiser switch, he's back on Covid panic...
    I have a good story about a hit Netflix pseudo archelogy show that is now target of a certain section of the media who are claiming it is racist for perpetrating a notion of an ancient civilisation that taught the natives, is a gateway drug to conspiracy theories, etc etc etc....and needs to be removed because of all the misinformation.

    Perhaps that will redirect the Leon-bot....
  • theProle said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    CoE will probably take a big hit early next year. If, as is likely, the "Living in Love and Faith*" stuff goes the way the liberals want, a lot of the evangelicals will be off out, either as individuals or entire churches. I'm on the PCC of an evangelical Anglican church that's currently within the CoE - the conversation at our meetings has moved on from "if this goes through should we leave?" to "what practical stuff do we need to do now to leave next year, and should we join AMiE or one of the other alternatives?"

    We're by far the largest Anglican church for miles - our main Sunday service is probably 3 times the congregations of the other five Anglicans churches in town put together.

    I'm not sure that the liberals will be as pleased with the husk of a church they will end up being left with as they currently expect.

    *basically permitting gay marriage in church
    I don't have a dog in this fight, but becoming the non-established branch splitting over that issue sounds a good plan for becoming a husk themselves within a generation. The CoE is as you imply hollowed out, but still held in some affection by most people as the reliably moderate place where you can without embarassment get married and buried, plus maybe sing in a choir. A splinter group based on opposition to gay marriage? Not so much.
    Completely agree. I am a "lapsed Catholic" who used to attend CoE fairly frequently. I stopped going when the evangelical "happy clappy" nerds took over with their arm waving and tendency to shout alleluia at odd times. Religion for me is debased by these well-meaning but often prejudiced folk. If I want full-on prejudice, I will return to Rome. The CoE should remain an oasis of moderation and compromise - the embodiment of most British people.
  • Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    Oh God - someone flick the Leon randomiser switch, he's back on Covid panic...
    He will be back to alien abduction next and the lizard people conspiracy
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    Interesting - I asked the then German finance minister, now the German Chancellor about evidence of post Brexit declining German trade with the UK last year, and then he was quite relaxed then…
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1597603202567921664
    https://twitter.com/germanambuk/status/1597499843697516545
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,736

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    How many people die every day in Japan. 4000? 5000? I'd stay calm for now.
    Adjusted for population, that death rate is only about 30% higher than the current UK death rate.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,890

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    Oh God - someone flick the Leon randomiser switch, he's back on Covid panic...
    I have a good story about a hit Netflix pseudo archelogy show that is now target of a certain section of the media who are claiming it is racist for perpetrating a notion of an ancient civilisation that taught the natives, is a gateway drug to conspiracy theories, etc etc etc....and needs to be removed because of all the misinformation.

    Perhaps that will redirect the Leon-bot....
    Ancient apocalypse is a great watch. No idea if it's accurate or not but between that and the Pepsi jet show a couple of sundays back was a great day of TV for me looking after the little'un.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255
    Chris said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Completist guide to Group B qualification:

    England will qualify if:
    - They win, draw or lose by less than 4 goals to Wales
    - They lose by 4 or 5 goals to Wales and Iran v USA is drawn
    - They lose by 6 goals to Wales, Iran v USA is drawn, and Iran fail to score 3 more goals than they do.

    Iran will qualify:
    - If they win against USA
    - If they draw and Wales fail to beat England
    - If they draw and Wales beat England by 7 goals or more
    - If they draw, Wales beat England by 6 goals, and they score 3 goals more than England

    USA will qualify:
    - If and only if they win against Iran

    Wales will qualify:
    - If they beat England and USA vs Iran is drawn
    - If they beat England by 4 goals or more

    Or the horse talks.
    Just wait for mathematical possibility that Costa Rica can edge out Spain on goal difference, that no completist could possibly ignore.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    Because Apple's rules (as with Google, Amazon, ebay and other markets) is that the price you sell on their market has to reflect the price sold elsewhere.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    If there's a Labour strategist reading this afternoon - Starmer needs to go on petrol price gouging and lack of government action to ensure consumers are getting value for money, pretty sure the Issa brothers are Tory donors as well and they've been milking the nation with their forecourts.

    Starmer gets a triple win, he attacks the Tories, proposes real action to bring inflation down and he attacks vulture capitalists and improperly functioning markets putting him on the natural side of the party. It also puts him on the same side as voters who are fed up of high petrol prices and price gouging by garages.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    Completist guide to Group B qualification:

    England will qualify if:
    - They win, draw or lose by less than 4 goals to Wales
    - They lose by 4 or 5 goals to Wales and Iran v USA is drawn
    - They lose by 6 goals to Wales, Iran v USA is drawn, and Iran fail to score 3 more goals than they do.

    Iran will qualify:
    - If they win against USA
    - If they draw and Wales fail to beat England
    - If they draw and Wales beat England by 7 goals or more
    - If they draw, Wales beat England by 6 goals, and they score 3 goals more than England

    USA will qualify:
    - If and only if they win against Iran

    Wales will qualify:
    - If they beat England and USA vs Iran is drawn
    - If they beat England by 4 goals or more

    Is "completist" a pejorative?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,785
    eek said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    Because Apple's rules (as with Google, Amazon, ebay and other markets) is that the price you sell on their market has to reflect the price sold elsewhere.
    In which case they add an "Apple only function" that accounts for the difference. It wouldn't even have to be that functional.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,890
    MaxPB said:

    If there's a Labour strategist reading this afternoon - Starmer needs to go on petrol price gouging and lack of government action to ensure consumers are getting value for money, pretty sure the Issa brothers are Tory donors as well and they've been milking the nation with their forecourts.

    Starmer gets a triple win, he attacks the Tories, proposes real action to bring inflation down and he attacks vulture capitalists and improperly functioning markets putting him on the natural side of the party. It also puts him on the same side as voters who are fed up of high petrol prices and price gouging by garages.

    Don't know how prevalent it is in the UK Labour party but there's a colossal ideological opposition to cars in general on the left - well it's certainly the impression I get - in the USA.
    Again I don't know if this phenomenon is within the UK left too.
    Car ownership was (When the Tories were doing relatively OK) a massive difference maker between Tory and Labour voters.
    I too think he should park his tanks on the Tory lawn here.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    If there's a Labour strategist reading this afternoon - Starmer needs to go on petrol price gouging and lack of government action to ensure consumers are getting value for money, pretty sure the Issa brothers are Tory donors as well and they've been milking the nation with their forecourts.

    Starmer gets a triple win, he attacks the Tories, proposes real action to bring inflation down and he attacks vulture capitalists and improperly functioning markets putting him on the natural side of the party. It also puts him on the same side as voters who are fed up of high petrol prices and price gouging by garages.

    Don't know how prevalent it is in the UK Labour party but there's a colossal ideological opposition to cars in general on the left - well it's certainly the impression I get - in the USA.
    Again I don't know if this phenomenon is within the UK left too.
    Car ownership was (When the Tories were doing relatively OK) a massive difference maker between Tory and Labour voters.
    I too think he should park his tanks on the Tory lawn here.
    Mondeo man has a car and votes. Blair realised that early.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    Oh God - someone flick the Leon randomiser switch, he's back on Covid panic...
    I have a good story about a hit Netflix pseudo archelogy show that is now target of a certain section of the media who are claiming it is racist for perpetrating a notion of an ancient civilisation that taught the natives, is a gateway drug to conspiracy theories, etc etc etc....and needs to be removed because of all the misinformation.

    Perhaps that will redirect the Leon-bot....
    Ancient apocalypse is a great watch. No idea if it's accurate or not but between that and the Pepsi jet show a couple of sundays back was a great day of TV for me looking after the little'un.
    I watched it mostly because some lovely visuals of these places. Its a great tale, but its lots of cherry picking and stretching of the elastic e.g. I believe his claims about alignment of these ancient monuments are often not really true (or you have found a number that fits something, but no evidence that points that you should be looking for that number) and The Bimini Road stuff has been debunked loads of times.

    Could it be that archaeologists have at times been quite definitive on certain things in regards to timelines that then turn out not to be true, absolutely, and they could still be wrong about it. And there could be bits and pieces in ancient myths that relate to true events. That's obviously not the same as well that means there was some ancient civilian that existed 10,000s of years beforehand that had secret technology.

    But there have been loads of these types of shows before that nobody gets upset about, but all of a sudden its the "Reefer madness" gate way to harder conspiracy theory material.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up...
    There's a number of dubious assumptions there.

    Not at all, native white British have an average less than 2 children per woman if they have children at all.

    British Muslims, Black British and indeed evangelical and Orthodox Jewish British all have far more children per woman than secular British do.

    If liberal secular atheists stop breeding in the long run they will lose the culture wars even if they get a temporary victory
    You are making at least three assumptions there.
    - That immigrant's children retain their parent's religion.
    - That they maintain their families' reproductive tendencies.
    - That the increase in immigrant population outweighs the decline in indigenous religious observance.

    All, as I say, dubious.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,255

    Pro_Rata said:

    Completist guide to Group B qualification:

    England will qualify if:
    - They win, draw or lose by less than 4 goals to Wales
    - They lose by 4 or 5 goals to Wales and Iran v USA is drawn
    - They lose by 6 goals to Wales, Iran v USA is drawn, and Iran fail to score 3 more goals than they do.

    Iran will qualify:
    - If they win against USA
    - If they draw and Wales fail to beat England
    - If they draw and Wales beat England by 7 goals or more
    - If they draw, Wales beat England by 6 goals, and they score 3 goals more than England

    USA will qualify:
    - If and only if they win against Iran

    Wales will qualify:
    - If they beat England and USA vs Iran is drawn
    - If they beat England by 4 goals or more

    Is "completist" a pejorative?
    On PB?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    Oh God - someone flick the Leon randomiser switch, he's back on Covid panic...
    I have a good story about a hit Netflix pseudo archelogy show that is now target of a certain section of the media who are claiming it is racist for perpetrating a notion of an ancient civilisation that taught the natives, is a gateway drug to conspiracy theories, etc etc etc....and needs to be removed because of all the misinformation.

    Perhaps that will redirect the Leon-bot....
    Ancient apocalypse is a great watch. No idea if it's accurate or not but between that and the Pepsi jet show a couple of sundays back was a great day of TV for me looking after the little'un.
    It sounds like a load of nonsense to me, however entertaining.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    It's called winter.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Completist guide to Group B qualification:

    England will qualify if:
    - They win, draw or lose by less than 4 goals to Wales
    - They lose by 4 or 5 goals to Wales and Iran v USA is drawn
    - They lose by 6 goals to Wales, Iran v USA is drawn, and Iran fail to score 3 more goals than they do.

    Iran will qualify:
    - If they win against USA
    - If they draw and Wales fail to beat England
    - If they draw and Wales beat England by 7 goals or more
    - If they draw, Wales beat England by 6 goals, and they score 3 goals more than England

    USA will qualify:
    - If and only if they win against Iran

    Wales will qualify:
    - If they beat England and USA vs Iran is drawn
    - If they beat England by 4 goals or more

    Is "completist" a pejorative?
    On PB?
    I think there are quite a few unapologetic completists who frequent these parts
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    A reminder of the Musk predictive abilities.
    https://twitter.com/Dereklowe/status/1597585137684054016
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    Leon said:

    Driver said:

    Leon said:

    What is happening in East Asia, with Covid?

    China in turmoil, now the signs of a serious new wave in Japan

    127,000 cases, 153 deaths, in Japan yesterday

    Hm

    It's getting to winter, and they're the only people still counting?
    No, I think something is happening

    I've heard anecdotally it is re-emerging in Hong Kong, as well

    Hopefully just a lack of immunity giving them a final wave? Heaven fucking forfend it is another strain
    We've been through our latest wave, with the possibility of another one starting. This is going to keep happening. What we have is a population with excellent levels of antibodies from vaccination and infection, so that for most, covid is not the threat it might have been. It can still be serious too.

    I'd recommend Oliver Johnson (on twitter and now does a substack) as he keeps an eye on variants and cases in the UK.

    I'm not sure what you think the end of the pandemic looks like. Covid is likely never going away, so we will keep having deaths from it, and it will be a burden on healthcare for the long term. It is however important to retain a sense of persective. Life in the UK is back to normal (save a few mask requirements in healthcare settings).
  • How much is our domestic electricity usage going to increase if we get rid of fossil fuel use everywhere we can?

    Average household currently uses about 3MWh of electricity and 12MWh of gas per annum

    Will replacing gas boilers require that much electricity - a 400% increase - to heat our homes and water? Or even more? Or if we use electricity to make hydrogen; considerably more?

    How much electricity will the average household be using to charge electric car batteries?

    Are they around 100kWh? If so, 30 full charges will double an average household's current annual electricity use. So two full charges a week would more than quadruple current average annual use

    We're going to need SO MUCH MORE electricity
  • Pulpstar said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Ratters said:

    Offshore wind strikes me as one where the answer should always be 'yes' to more. Combined with more gas storage.

    Excess capacity can always be exported. On days of less wind we can use gas saved up in storage

    One of the things you can do with 'excess' power from an offshore wind turbine would be electrolyse the seawater into Hydrogen and Oxygen
    Except that electrolysis is extremely inefficient, thermodynamically. And the hydrogen is a pig to store. Probably a giant stack of batteries would be cheaper to run.
    Batteries...

    Extrapolating electric car & battery use & known lithium reserves & where those reserves actually are...
    Oh dear. Not the "Proven reserves" thing again? There is no possibility of a shortage of lithium. It's one of the commonest elements.
    Not least in seawater.

    https://electrek.co/2021/06/04/scientists-have-cost-effectively-harvested-lithium-from-seawater/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    Perhaps consider why? The vast majority of the population have antibodies from either vaccination, recovery from infection or both (over 99%, I think). Vaccination can boost neutralising antibodies for a while and may be a better match for current variants, but the judgement is, I think, that widespread vaccination is not needed.
    Thats why.
  • England to name Phil Foden, Kyle Walker, Marcus Rashford in line-up to face Wales

    Marcus Rashford also expected to start in new-look front three with Jude Bellingham playing alongside Jordan Henderson and Declan Rice
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    England to name Phil Foden, Kyle Walker, Marcus Rashford in line-up to face Wales

    Marcus Rashford also expected to start in new-look front three with Jude Bellingham playing alongside Jordan Henderson and Declan Rice

    ? Bellingham, Henderson and Rice as the front three? Really?
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    British Christian population dropping at 5.5m a decade. British Muslim population increasing at 1.7m a decade.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/29/leicester-and-birmingham-are-uk-first-minority-majority-cities-census-reveals
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.

    That's exactly what some app developers did with their own products. The Apple response included banning apps from the app store for "unfair charging". According to Apple (some of the time), the Apple Tax must not lead to a price differential.
  • algarkirk said:

    pillsbury said:

    kjh said:

    While there has been some opposition to the offshore expansion of the Rampion wind farm off the Sussex coast, most of the debate has been about how the onshore bits get connected to the grid. This is the challenge with both offshore and onshore wind - ideally you want to build it as near to the people who will be using the power, and that’s where NIMBYs enter the frame. Personally I enjoy seeing the lights twinkling on the horizon - and marvel that Rampion 2 will be taller than the Eiffel Tower (though further out to sea). Try installing that on land!


    One of the things I have always wondered in the case of wind farms is whether bigger is better. Does a 600ft tall turbine generate twice as much energy as 2x 300ft turbines?
    I always blow the minds of people when I tell them you get more pizza with one 15 inch pizza than with 2 lots of 10 inch pizzas.
    I always find it frustrating that people don't get the square and cube rules and are always amazed that some small things can jump relatively high distances, or that sparrows can have very thin legs or elephants can't jump or that cats can fall off windowsills unharmed yet we break bones, etc, etc and don't get that it is just an obvious function of mathematics/physics.
    Dropping mammals down lift shafts: a mouse lives, a rat dies, a man breaks, a horse splashes.

    JBS Haldane
    Applies to money too, and talk of millions, billions and trillions - which get mixed up.

    In a potential taxpaying population of 50 million (UK is about this):

    £1m is 2p each

    £1bn is £20 each

    £1 tn is £20,000 each.

    I think it was someone on here the other day who mentioned the difference between a million, a billion and a trillion in a way people can envisage.

    1 million seconds is 11 days, 13 hours 46 minutes
    1 billion seconds is 31 and a half years
    1 trillion seconds is 31,688 years
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022

    England to name Phil Foden, Kyle Walker, Marcus Rashford in line-up to face Wales

    Marcus Rashford also expected to start in new-look front three with Jude Bellingham playing alongside Jordan Henderson and Declan Rice

    ? Bellingham, Henderson and Rice as the front three? Really?
    LOL...don't be silly.

    I think its

    Foden / Kane / Rashford
    Bellingham / Henderson / Rice
    Shaw / Maguire / Stones / Walker
    Pickford

    (or Walker in for Maguire at Centre Back or Trippier moving to left back instead of Shaw).

    Edit - Unless, Gareth Waistcoat goes really aggressive, Saka at left back, Trippier at right back, Walker in for Maguire at CB. or even TAA....He won't though obviously.

    Personally I would go total Brazil....

    Foden / Kane / Sterling
    Bellingham / Mount / Rice
    Saka / Stones / Walker / TAA
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    edited November 2022

    How much is our domestic electricity usage going to increase if we get rid of fossil fuel use everywhere we can?

    Average household currently uses about 3MWh of electricity and 12MWh of gas per annum

    Will replacing gas boilers require that much electricity - a 400% increase - to heat our homes and water? Or even more? Or if we use electricity to make hydrogen; considerably more?

    How much electricity will the average household be using to charge electric car batteries?

    Are they around 100kWh? If so, 30 full charges will double an average household's current annual electricity use. So two full charges a week would more than quadruple current average annual use

    We're going to need SO MUCH MORE electricity

    If we transition from gas boilers to air-sourced heat pumps heating better insulated homes, then we'd probably need only a third of existing energy used to heat homes (admittedly quite a few assumptions there).

    Average weekly car mileage in the UK is somewhere between 140 and 150 miles.
    That's somewhere around half a charge of a car with 64kWh of batteries.
    So your car charging estimates are significantly on the high side, too.
  • edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    Perhaps consider why? The vast majority of the population have antibodies from either vaccination, recovery from infection or both (over 99%, I think). Vaccination can boost neutralising antibodies for a while and may be a better match for current variants, but the judgement is, I think, that widespread vaccination is not needed.
    Thats why.
    Though to be fair everyone over 50 is being asked to get a booster.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,077
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    If there's a Labour strategist reading this afternoon - Starmer needs to go on petrol price gouging and lack of government action to ensure consumers are getting value for money, pretty sure the Issa brothers are Tory donors as well and they've been milking the nation with their forecourts.

    Starmer gets a triple win, he attacks the Tories, proposes real action to bring inflation down and he attacks vulture capitalists and improperly functioning markets putting him on the natural side of the party. It also puts him on the same side as voters who are fed up of high petrol prices and price gouging by garages.

    Don't know how prevalent it is in the UK Labour party but there's a colossal ideological opposition to cars in general on the left - well it's certainly the impression I get - in the USA.
    Again I don't know if this phenomenon is within the UK left too.
    Car ownership was (When the Tories were doing relatively OK) a massive difference maker between Tory and Labour voters.
    I too think he should park his tanks on the Tory lawn here.
    Mondeo man has a car and votes. Blair realised that early.
    It's an easy win for Labour. It's clear that up to last year Asda was the firm that kept petrol and diesel prices low (given any chance to cut the price they publicly announced it with a fanfare).

    Since the Issa's bought Asda that simply hasn't been the case and both Morrisons and Asda now have prices that are way higher than elsewhere. Competition within the market has failed its job of keeping prices low and being blunt it's costing the Treasury millions because based on current market prices £1.52 at Jet, £1.60 at Asda) over half of the profits being made by Asda and co are coming from the 5p cut in fuel duty that Rishi announced earlier this year.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,503

    edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    Perhaps consider why? The vast majority of the population have antibodies from either vaccination, recovery from infection or both (over 99%, I think). Vaccination can boost neutralising antibodies for a while and may be a better match for current variants, but the judgement is, I think, that widespread vaccination is not needed.
    Thats why.
    That sounds a bit complacent - I know a number of people who are quite seriously ill with Covid, and others struggling with after-effects. I don't favour a new lockdown but promoting vaccination seems sensible. (If the judgment was in fact that it's not useful, then we shouldn't be doing it at all.)

    There are huge national differences in this, incidentally. In Austria, for example, masks are still ubiquitous, and you can get a £45 fine for not wearing them on public transport. Encouraging vaccination is very much at the mild end of the spectrum, and should help avoid calls for more drastic measures returning.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,753

    edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    Perhaps consider why? The vast majority of the population have antibodies from either vaccination, recovery from infection or both (over 99%, I think). Vaccination can boost neutralising antibodies for a while and may be a better match for current variants, but the judgement is, I think, that widespread vaccination is not needed.
    Thats why.
    That sounds a bit complacent - I know a number of people who are quite seriously ill with Covid, and others struggling with after-effects. I don't favour a new lockdown but promoting vaccination seems sensible. (If the judgment was in fact that it's not useful, then we shouldn't be doing it at all.)

    There are huge national differences in this, incidentally. In Austria, for example, masks are still ubiquitous, and you can get a £45 fine for not wearing them on public transport. Encouraging vaccination is very much at the mild end of the spectrum, and should help avoid calls for more drastic measures returning.
    No drastic measures are going to return, Nick. The country can't afford it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    Perhaps consider why? The vast majority of the population have antibodies from either vaccination, recovery from infection or both (over 99%, I think). Vaccination can boost neutralising antibodies for a while and may be a better match for current variants, but the judgement is, I think, that widespread vaccination is not needed.
    Thats why.
    Though to be fair everyone over 50 is being asked to get a booster.
    Yes, fair enough, and that matches flu shots etc. But the question was about the contrast this year to last.
  • TOPPING said:

    edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    Perhaps consider why? The vast majority of the population have antibodies from either vaccination, recovery from infection or both (over 99%, I think). Vaccination can boost neutralising antibodies for a while and may be a better match for current variants, but the judgement is, I think, that widespread vaccination is not needed.
    Thats why.
    That sounds a bit complacent - I know a number of people who are quite seriously ill with Covid, and others struggling with after-effects. I don't favour a new lockdown but promoting vaccination seems sensible. (If the judgment was in fact that it's not useful, then we shouldn't be doing it at all.)

    There are huge national differences in this, incidentally. In Austria, for example, masks are still ubiquitous, and you can get a £45 fine for not wearing them on public transport. Encouraging vaccination is very much at the mild end of the spectrum, and should help avoid calls for more drastic measures returning.
    No drastic measures are going to return, Nick. The country can't afford it.
    Thank god
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,503
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    If there's a Labour strategist reading this afternoon - Starmer needs to go on petrol price gouging and lack of government action to ensure consumers are getting value for money, pretty sure the Issa brothers are Tory donors as well and they've been milking the nation with their forecourts.

    Starmer gets a triple win, he attacks the Tories, proposes real action to bring inflation down and he attacks vulture capitalists and improperly functioning markets putting him on the natural side of the party. It also puts him on the same side as voters who are fed up of high petrol prices and price gouging by garages.

    Don't know how prevalent it is in the UK Labour party but there's a colossal ideological opposition to cars in general on the left - well it's certainly the impression I get - in the USA.
    Again I don't know if this phenomenon is within the UK left too.
    Car ownership was (When the Tories were doing relatively OK) a massive difference maker between Tory and Labour voters.
    I too think he should park his tanks on the Tory lawn here.
    Agreed. Labour isn't noticeably anti-car, even the Corbynista side (no doubt with some exceptions), though the Greens tend that way.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    England to name Phil Foden, Kyle Walker, Marcus Rashford in line-up to face Wales

    Marcus Rashford also expected to start in new-look front three with Jude Bellingham playing alongside Jordan Henderson and Declan Rice

    ? Bellingham, Henderson and Rice as the front three? Really?
    LOL...don't be silly.

    I think its

    Foden / Kane / Rashford
    Bellingham / Henderson / Rice
    Shaw / Maguire / Stones / Walker
    Pickford

    (or Walker in for Maguire at Centre Back or Trippier moving to left back instead of Shaw).

    Edit - Unless, Gareth Waistcoat goes really aggressive, Saka at left back, Trippier at right back, Walker in for Maguire at CB. or even TAA....He won't though obviously.

    Personally I would go total Brazil....

    Foden / Kane / Sterling
    Bellingham / Mount / Rice
    Saka / Stones / Walker / TAA
    Walker can't play CB in a back four.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022
    WillG said:

    England to name Phil Foden, Kyle Walker, Marcus Rashford in line-up to face Wales

    Marcus Rashford also expected to start in new-look front three with Jude Bellingham playing alongside Jordan Henderson and Declan Rice

    ? Bellingham, Henderson and Rice as the front three? Really?
    LOL...don't be silly.

    I think its

    Foden / Kane / Rashford
    Bellingham / Henderson / Rice
    Shaw / Maguire / Stones / Walker
    Pickford

    (or Walker in for Maguire at Centre Back or Trippier moving to left back instead of Shaw).

    Edit - Unless, Gareth Waistcoat goes really aggressive, Saka at left back, Trippier at right back, Walker in for Maguire at CB. or even TAA....He won't though obviously.

    Personally I would go total Brazil....

    Foden / Kane / Sterling
    Bellingham / Mount / Rice
    Saka / Stones / Walker / TAA
    Walker can't play CB in a back four.
    Neither can Maguire ;-)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177

    edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    Perhaps consider why? The vast majority of the population have antibodies from either vaccination, recovery from infection or both (over 99%, I think). Vaccination can boost neutralising antibodies for a while and may be a better match for current variants, but the judgement is, I think, that widespread vaccination is not needed.
    Thats why.
    That sounds a bit complacent - I know a number of people who are quite seriously ill with Covid, and others struggling with after-effects. I don't favour a new lockdown but promoting vaccination seems sensible. (If the judgment was in fact that it's not useful, then we shouldn't be doing it at all.)

    There are huge national differences in this, incidentally. In Austria, for example, masks are still ubiquitous, and you can get a £45 fine for not wearing them on public transport. Encouraging vaccination is very much at the mild end of the spectrum, and should help avoid calls for more drastic measures returning.
    Its not complacent, it reflects where we are and what we are doing. Are your ill friends over 50 and have they had the latest vaccine? I think you have inadvertently misconstrued my statement which wasn't that clear - by widespread I meant for all over 18. We have been vaccinating the over 50's (including myself).

    Sadly covid still has the potential to be nasty and will not go away. But we have returned to normal life in the UK.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,921

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    There are three fundamental issues with nuclear:

    (1) It's expensive.
    (2) It's not particularly reliable.
    (3) It's not flexible.

    Against that, it's another form of generation that is uncorrelated with sun, wind, fossil fuel prices. It probably has a place in the generating mix, if only to add resiliency. But it's no coincidence that the number of merchant nuclear power stations in the world is zero.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    If there's a Labour strategist reading this afternoon - Starmer needs to go on petrol price gouging and lack of government action to ensure consumers are getting value for money, pretty sure the Issa brothers are Tory donors as well and they've been milking the nation with their forecourts.

    Starmer gets a triple win, he attacks the Tories, proposes real action to bring inflation down and he attacks vulture capitalists and improperly functioning markets putting him on the natural side of the party. It also puts him on the same side as voters who are fed up of high petrol prices and price gouging by garages.

    Don't know how prevalent it is in the UK Labour party but there's a colossal ideological opposition to cars in general on the left - well it's certainly the impression I get - in the USA.
    Again I don't know if this phenomenon is within the UK left too.
    Car ownership was (When the Tories were doing relatively OK) a massive difference maker between Tory and Labour voters.
    I too think he should park his tanks on the Tory lawn here.
    Agreed. Labour isn't noticeably anti-car, even the Corbynista side (no doubt with some exceptions), though the Greens tend that way.
    Sadiq Khan announcement this week....
  • Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Pulpstar said:

    Why doesn't Elon just set the price at $11.42 from the apple store and $8 for an APK sideload ?

    I mean people with Apple phones hardly tend to be price sensitive in the first place.
    That's exactly what some app developers did with their own products. The Apple response included banning apps from the app store for "unfair charging". According to Apple (some of the time), the Apple Tax must not lead to a price differential.

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.
  • Nigelb said:

    How much is our domestic electricity usage going to increase if we get rid of fossil fuel use everywhere we can?

    Average household currently uses about 3MWh of electricity and 12MWh of gas per annum

    Will replacing gas boilers require that much electricity - a 400% increase - to heat our homes and water? Or even more? Or if we use electricity to make hydrogen; considerably more?

    How much electricity will the average household be using to charge electric car batteries?

    Are they around 100kWh? If so, 30 full charges will double an average household's current annual electricity use. So two full charges a week would more than quadruple current average annual use

    We're going to need SO MUCH MORE electricity

    If we transition from gas boilers to air-sourced heat pumps heating better insulated homes, then we'd probably need only a third of existing energy used to heat homes (admittedly quite a few assumptions there).

    Average weekly car mileage in the UK is somewhere between 140 and 150 miles.
    That's somewhere around half a charge of a car with 64kWh of batteries.
    So your car charging estimates are significantly on the high side, too.
    So just on those two, we're increasing average household electricity usage from 3MWhpa to at least 8.5MWhpa

    That's nearly tripling it

    Still a lot to find

    What about when we convert agricultural vehicles from fossil fuels to electric; how much electricity will that take?

    And freight?
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    WillG said:

    England to name Phil Foden, Kyle Walker, Marcus Rashford in line-up to face Wales

    Marcus Rashford also expected to start in new-look front three with Jude Bellingham playing alongside Jordan Henderson and Declan Rice

    ? Bellingham, Henderson and Rice as the front three? Really?
    LOL...don't be silly.

    I think its

    Foden / Kane / Rashford
    Bellingham / Henderson / Rice
    Shaw / Maguire / Stones / Walker
    Pickford

    (or Walker in for Maguire at Centre Back or Trippier moving to left back instead of Shaw).

    Edit - Unless, Gareth Waistcoat goes really aggressive, Saka at left back, Trippier at right back, Walker in for Maguire at CB. or even TAA....He won't though obviously.

    Personally I would go total Brazil....

    Foden / Kane / Sterling
    Bellingham / Mount / Rice
    Saka / Stones / Walker / TAA
    Walker can't play CB in a back four.
    Neither can Maguire ;-)
    So play Stones and White.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022
    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    England to name Phil Foden, Kyle Walker, Marcus Rashford in line-up to face Wales

    Marcus Rashford also expected to start in new-look front three with Jude Bellingham playing alongside Jordan Henderson and Declan Rice

    ? Bellingham, Henderson and Rice as the front three? Really?
    LOL...don't be silly.

    I think its

    Foden / Kane / Rashford
    Bellingham / Henderson / Rice
    Shaw / Maguire / Stones / Walker
    Pickford

    (or Walker in for Maguire at Centre Back or Trippier moving to left back instead of Shaw).

    Edit - Unless, Gareth Waistcoat goes really aggressive, Saka at left back, Trippier at right back, Walker in for Maguire at CB. or even TAA....He won't though obviously.

    Personally I would go total Brazil....

    Foden / Kane / Sterling
    Bellingham / Mount / Rice
    Saka / Stones / Walker / TAA
    Walker can't play CB in a back four.
    Neither can Maguire ;-)
    So play Stones and White.
    I believe White has been ill and not fit to play. I personally would have liked to have seen him been tried more before the tournament, or picked bloody proper centre backs who have been doing well like Smalling or Tomori.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    England to name Phil Foden, Kyle Walker, Marcus Rashford in line-up to face Wales

    Marcus Rashford also expected to start in new-look front three with Jude Bellingham playing alongside Jordan Henderson and Declan Rice

    ? Bellingham, Henderson and Rice as the front three? Really?
    LOL...don't be silly.

    I think its

    Foden / Kane / Rashford
    Bellingham / Henderson / Rice
    Shaw / Maguire / Stones / Walker
    Pickford

    (or Walker in for Maguire at Centre Back or Trippier moving to left back instead of Shaw).

    Edit - Unless, Gareth Waistcoat goes really aggressive, Saka at left back, Trippier at right back, Walker in for Maguire at CB. or even TAA....He won't though obviously.

    Personally I would go total Brazil....

    Foden / Kane / Sterling
    Bellingham / Mount / Rice
    Saka / Stones / Walker / TAA
    Walker can't play CB in a back four.
    Neither can Maguire ;-)
    So play Stones and White.
    I believe White has been ill and not fit to play. I personally would have liked to have seen him been tried more before the tournament, or picked bloody proper centre backs who have been doing well like Smalling or Tomori.
    Then Dier or Coady.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813

    edb said:

    must say I'm surprised by how completely limp our own Covid testing/vacc programme has been for this winter. Not expecting (or wanting) it to be headline stuff, but 12 months ago we were being told boosters would be needed, new jabs being developed, stockpiles secured etc. etc. etc.

    Perhaps consider why? The vast majority of the population have antibodies from either vaccination, recovery from infection or both (over 99%, I think). Vaccination can boost neutralising antibodies for a while and may be a better match for current variants, but the judgement is, I think, that widespread vaccination is not needed.
    Thats why.
    That sounds a bit complacent - I know a number of people who are quite seriously ill with Covid, and others struggling with after-effects. I don't favour a new lockdown but promoting vaccination seems sensible. (If the judgment was in fact that it's not useful, then we shouldn't be doing it at all.)

    There are huge national differences in this, incidentally. In Austria, for example, masks are still ubiquitous, and you can get a £45 fine for not wearing them on public transport. Encouraging vaccination is very much at the mild end of the spectrum, and should help avoid calls for more drastic measures returning.
    As far as I'm aware there has been quite a broad vaccination campaign in progress for months, with everyone over 50 and a number of additional at risk groups being invited. Husband and I both went for our boosters a few weeks ago.

    There is zero chance of Covid authoritarianism coming back, regardless of how badly the knackered NHS falls over. Besides the fact that the public won't wear it, it'd be useless (see China, where the authorities abandon people to roast alive in burning tower blocks for fear of spreading Omicron, and yet they still can't contain it properly.) That particular ship has long since sailed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,267
    edited November 2022
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up...
    There's a number of dubious assumptions there.

    Not at all, native white British have an average less than 2 children per woman if they have children at all.

    British Muslims, Black British and indeed evangelical and Orthodox Jewish British all have far more children per woman than secular British do.

    If liberal secular atheists stop breeding in the long run they will lose the culture wars even if they get a temporary victory
    You are making at least three assumptions there.
    - That immigrant's children retain their parent's religion.
    - That they maintain their families' reproductive tendencies.
    - That the increase in immigrant population outweighs the decline in indigenous religious observance.

    All, as I say, dubious.
    More often than not they do and certainly immigrants children retain their parents religion more than native white British do on average.

    They also retain higher reproduction the more religious they are, already from the figures today London, Birmingham and Leicester are majority non white British. By 2050 white British could be a minority in the UK even if still a plurality, Christianity will be growing again though, especially from Christian immigrants from Africa, Islam will continue to grow with Asian immigrants to the UK.

    'Analysis by the Guardian shows areas with a higher proportion of people from ethnic minorities are also more religious. And places with a higher proportion of white population also have a bigger proportion of people with no religion...Across the two countries, 81.7% of the population is now white, including non-British, down from 86% in 2011, 9.3% is Asian British, up from 7.5%, 2.5% is Black, Black British, Black Welsh, Caribbean-African and African, up from 1.8%, and 1.6% are other ethnicities.'
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/29/leicester-and-birmingham-are-uk-first-minority-majority-cities-census-reveals
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Tomori and Smalling both play in a second tier league.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,921
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lennon said:

    Noticeable how Luton and Leicester stick out on that map...
    When the churches are full - and quite a few Catholic churches are - they are full of people who recently came from the still very, very catholic countries. Like Peru.

    9% of the English population is Catholic (IIRC) - something like 20% are CoE

    But actual church attendance rates are double for Catholics, IIRC.

    Which means that we are close to a point where there will be more practising Catholics than practising members of the CoE, since CoE is shrinking and Catholicism is growing.
    The Monarch being Head of the CoE really is an anachronism.

    Time to get rid.
    Defender of the Faithless.
    Charles wants to be Defender of Faith rather than just Defender of the Faith. He can comfortably still be that given well over 50% of the population of England and Wales still described themselves as belonging to the Abrahamic religions ie Christianity, Judaism and Islam. More still have faith adding in Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims
    Irreligious is the fastest growing category, by a long way.
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/religion/bulletins/religionenglandandwales/census2021

    If not Charles, then almost certainly his successor will have to consider the faithless majority.
    Still only 37% and depends on immigration too. The vast majority of switching to non religious are native British whites.

    British Asians are overwhelmingly
    Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. Black British are mainly Christians, especially Pentecostal. Poles in the UK tend to be Roman Catholic.

    London and Birmingham already now majority non white British born and more religious than the rest of the UK.

    So the more we get continued high immigration, the more the boats from Africa continue to come etc, the more religious we will continue to be
    Something like two thirds of teenagers are estimated to be irreligious, so I think your confidence misplaced.
    White British native teenagers mainly, who will have fewer children than immigrants growing up.

    The more immigrants we get the more religious we get
    And yet birth rates in highly religious countries - like Romania or Malta - are no better than in irreligious places.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    edited November 2022
    PaulSimon said:

    Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?

    Better option is to pose as a carer. They will access your own medical records which unconveniently has your age...

    Edit - I see you had posed the posing question.

    I tend to agree that you ought to be able to at least buy the vaccine, assuming enough is available.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,177
    rcs1000 said:

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    There are three fundamental issues with nuclear:

    (1) It's expensive.
    (2) It's not particularly reliable.
    (3) It's not flexible.

    Against that, it's another form of generation that is uncorrelated with sun, wind, fossil fuel prices. It probably has a place in the generating mix, if only to add resiliency. But it's no coincidence that the number of merchant nuclear power stations in the world is zero.
    (1) - yes agreed (3) yes, but good for base load (2) - was not aware that it was that unreliable - is that the case?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,921
    edited November 2022
    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022
    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    England to name Phil Foden, Kyle Walker, Marcus Rashford in line-up to face Wales

    Marcus Rashford also expected to start in new-look front three with Jude Bellingham playing alongside Jordan Henderson and Declan Rice

    ? Bellingham, Henderson and Rice as the front three? Really?
    LOL...don't be silly.

    I think its

    Foden / Kane / Rashford
    Bellingham / Henderson / Rice
    Shaw / Maguire / Stones / Walker
    Pickford

    (or Walker in for Maguire at Centre Back or Trippier moving to left back instead of Shaw).

    Edit - Unless, Gareth Waistcoat goes really aggressive, Saka at left back, Trippier at right back, Walker in for Maguire at CB. or even TAA....He won't though obviously.

    Personally I would go total Brazil....

    Foden / Kane / Sterling
    Bellingham / Mount / Rice
    Saka / Stones / Walker / TAA
    Walker can't play CB in a back four.
    Neither can Maguire ;-)
    So play Stones and White.
    I believe White has been ill and not fit to play. I personally would have liked to have seen him been tried more before the tournament, or picked bloody proper centre backs who have been doing well like Smalling or Tomori.
    Then Dier or Coady.
    Now you are just having a laugh....it just reinforces Southgate's poor selections that we have left two defenders who have been doing very well in Italy for those two. Coady in particular is having a terrible season in a piss poor team that is Everton.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    rcs1000 said:

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america

    It's important to have the Data on that.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,785
    edited November 2022
    PaulSimon said:

    Personally I'm utterly livid the bivalent boosters haven't been offered to healthy adults under 50 (I'm 39). I wouldn't mind paying for it if that's the problem (as I have already done with a flu jab). How closely do they check if I turn up and say I'm a carer for my decrepit 60 something year old mother (who's really as fit as a fiddle)?

    I doubt they'll turn away anoyone claiming eligibility, it's not as if they're short on vaccines.

    I'm under 50 and eligible through my wife, but meh. Three shots, two of which made us feel worse than Covid itself, was enough.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    Interesting. I have Android and am constantly called out for it...
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,785
    WillG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    Interesting. I have Android and am constantly called out for it...
    People are actually brandshaming?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Almost everyone in the US uses an Apple phone. It has monopoly power and practices. So there are plenty of people who use them yet are price sensitive.

    That's not quite true. Apple has a majority position, but Android isn't far behind:

    https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america
    The concerns that have been expressed, by regulators (including EU regulators), of the power of the App Store are definitely about Apple's imposed monopoly of access to phone apps. Yes, you can install an app yourself, as a developer, but it is a fairly involved process.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    England to name Phil Foden, Kyle Walker, Marcus Rashford in line-up to face Wales

    Marcus Rashford also expected to start in new-look front three with Jude Bellingham playing alongside Jordan Henderson and Declan Rice

    ? Bellingham, Henderson and Rice as the front three? Really?
    LOL...don't be silly.

    I think its

    Foden / Kane / Rashford
    Bellingham / Henderson / Rice
    Shaw / Maguire / Stones / Walker
    Pickford

    (or Walker in for Maguire at Centre Back or Trippier moving to left back instead of Shaw).

    Edit - Unless, Gareth Waistcoat goes really aggressive, Saka at left back, Trippier at right back, Walker in for Maguire at CB. or even TAA....He won't though obviously.

    Personally I would go total Brazil....

    Foden / Kane / Sterling
    Bellingham / Mount / Rice
    Saka / Stones / Walker / TAA
    Walker can't play CB in a back four.
    Neither can Maguire ;-)
    So play Stones and White.
    I believe White has been ill and not fit to play. I personally would have liked to have seen him been tried more before the tournament, or picked bloody proper centre backs who have been doing well like Smalling or Tomori.
    Then Dier or Coady.
    Now you are just having a laugh....it just reinforces Southgate's poor selections that we have left two defenders who have been doing very well in Italy for those two. Coady in particular is having a terrible season in a piss poor team that is Everton.
    I would have included Tomori but he has been poor for England and average in the Champions League. Italy is just a poorer league that makes decent players look very good.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,921

    rcs1000 said:

    Caroline Lucas says that supporting Sizewell C is "bone-headed & senseless" because it will take 13-17 years to deliver.

    https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1597557986234630146

    The same Caroline Lucas opposed Sizewell C in 2008 because "the earliest that a new nuclear power station could come on stream is around 2017".

    https://www.greenparty.org.uk/archive/news-archive/3431.html

    Had experience of Hinkley C to draw on since then....
    Frankly the attitude of Green politicians to nuclear has always been poor, and ultimately misguided. Assuming we one day crack fusion (possible, but not guaranteed) or get enough renewables plus storage then we never need use fission again. Great. But until then we need energy now, can use fission (albeit with risks and legacy storage issues) and stop using fossil fuels (a finite resource and a threat through climate change).
    And yet the Greens hate it.

    Sometimes its hard not to think they would prefer us all to either (A) die or (B) regress back to the 16th century rather than use nuclear to help the current situation.
    There are three fundamental issues with nuclear:

    (1) It's expensive.
    (2) It's not particularly reliable.
    (3) It's not flexible.

    Against that, it's another form of generation that is uncorrelated with sun, wind, fossil fuel prices. It probably has a place in the generating mix, if only to add resiliency. But it's no coincidence that the number of merchant nuclear power stations in the world is zero.
    (1) - yes agreed (3) yes, but good for base load (2) - was not aware that it was that unreliable - is that the case?
    The problem with nuclear reliability is that you get a lot of unscheduled maintenance.

    All that fission going on, and all that radioactive material, means there are a lot of high energy particles flying around. And they bump into containment vessels, and pipes, and seals. Metal becomes brittle. Things break, and leaks occur.

    Here's a story from the end of last year about issues in France:

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/edf-extend-civaux-nuclear-outage-shut-down-reactors-chooz-safety-measures-2021-12-15/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,451
    edited November 2022
    The whole app store thing.

    I find it interesting that back in the day Microsoft got dinged over pre-installation of IE on a system that was not a walled garden. Two clicks and you could get yourself a different browser. Now Android you can easily sideload and there are number other "app" stores you can use. But Apple unless you jailbreak your phone there is absolutely no option.
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