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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,618
    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    Indeed.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674
    Eabhal said:

    I see that Stop Oil have closed the M25 by scaling gantries.

    Assuming they are of sound mind, why do we close the motorway? We don’t close it if there is someone on a bridge.

    If they fall off, that’s at their own risk, and we deal with it then. If they drop something off we prosecute them. There’s not a meaningful risk to the drivers of cars.

    I'm not sure you'd survive a 70kg body falling through your windscreen at 80mph.

    Source: Wrote a minibus off hitting a deer near Ullapool.
    Should hose teh idiots with ice cold wat
    Sandpit said:

    Martin10 said:

    Driver said:

    Martin10 said:

    Zelensky has said 4.5 million households in Ukraine now without power in nightly address

    What are your bosses trying to achieve by doing that?
    Its getting cold in ukraine now...not nice to be without power....reason why people like kissinger are calling for negotiations
    Lol, the negotiations are quite simple.

    When will the Russian army leave Ukraine, 1991 border, how much will be the reparations, and how many more years of international sanctions against Russia should be their punishment?
    Shedloads leaving in boxes already and more will follow
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    I think this board should go past banning words (such as 'this') and ban using individual buttons. I think a day without using a button 'twixt "W" and "R" on our laptops should be fun!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    On topic, I have the following main positions on the US -

    Long @ 1.11 Reps to take the House.
    Long @ 1.45 Trump to run.
    Short @ 4.8 Trump for the Nom.
    Short @ 6.2 Trump for the WH.

    The 1st 2 look like cash in the bank. The 2nd 2 are well underwater.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,618
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    pm215 said:

    Endillion said:

    A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?

    No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
    If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
    I think it is a mix of both in a way.

    a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke.
    b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
    I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues.
    What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
    It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.


    I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
    I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.

    My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.

    Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
    What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan.
    This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
    Ever wondered what that hole was for?


    Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
    But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
    So does hanging up the pan...
    Was not the point being discussed.
    Its a stupid internet meme that this was the reason for the hole in the handle, which it absolutely wasn't.
    It works. Is all.*

    *one for @Anabobazina's list.
    I've not come across that one except as Irish dialect (?), happy to let it ride for now.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,960
    History is balls. Or maybe, as balls.

    Every kid at school should be made to watch this 1,000 times. It is superb. Just pb.com's type of thing:

    https://twitter.com/TansuYegen/status/1589481064703328256
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,257
    edited November 2022
    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    I think this board should go past banning words (such as 'this') and ban using individual buttons. I think a day without using a button 'twixt "W" and "R" on our laptops should be fun!
    I must applaud that notion and thouroughly concur!

    Modification to add: Might it worry our typists with non-UK button-boards, though?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    I think this board should go past banning words (such as 'this') and ban using individual buttons. I think a day without using a button 'twixt "W" and "R" on our laptops should be fun!
    BE fun?
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,960
    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    I think this board should go past banning words (such as 'this') and ban using individual buttons. I think a day without using a button 'twixt "W" and "R" on our laptops should be fun!
    Would make referring to d Milliband a tad confusing, no?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    I think this board should go past banning words (such as 'this') and ban using individual buttons. I think a day without using a button 'twixt "W" and "R" on our laptops should be fun!
    I must applaud that notion and thouroughly concur!

    Modification to add: Might it worry our typists with non-UK button-boards, though?
    all non-consonants unlawful in Dvorak layout.
  • TOPPING said:

    I am not entirely sure people hang up pans (any more).

    Seems that it would take up a lot of space and be quite unsightly.

    Also dust & grease traps if not used on a regular basis.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    "He wants to break the Ukrainians not at the front line, where that’s not proving possible, but by breaking the West's will to support them. The weak link in this war, potentially, is us."
    https://twitter.com/jakluge/status/1589294040910295040
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184

    History is balls. Or maybe, as balls.

    Every kid at school should be made to watch this 1,000 times. It is superb. Just pb.com's type of thing:

    https://twitter.com/TansuYegen/status/1589481064703328256

    Very good.

    In a similar vein, I also like this:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Wu0Q7x5D0

    The same people (I guess?) have also done similar ones specifically for Europe and the Americas (and maybe others).
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,618
    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    Why is this clown still here?
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142

    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    Why is this clown still here?
    So you dont believe in free speech...so i take it you dont believe in western values then
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    If you think they can't strike back, what is your explanation for all the things that keep blowing up in Russia? Is Putin so unpopular that his own people are trying to sabotage the war effort?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    Martin10 said:

    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    Why is this clown still here?
    So you dont believe in free speech...so i take it you dont believe in western values then
    We're not saying you can't post here - we're wondering why you're bothering.
    And while this site does tend to believe in free speech, it also holds quite specific views on grammar.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,003
    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    The Ukrainians can and have struck back in Russia. But it's more productive to destroy Russian troops in Ukraine. An entire generation of Russian men are being wiped out along with Russia's military capacity, which is going to screw Putin when the revolt comes. In 20 years time, Ukraine will be a prospering Western country while Russia will still be in the pits.
  • This idea of climate change "reparations" being banded about at COP27 could be utterly politically toxic for Sunak. I hear he's considering it, which is astonishing.

    I can see why worldwide NGOs and Davos Man would push for it, but I really hope he isn't taken in by it.

    I see Johnson has gone straight in and opposed it. Another sign that Rishi is too easily subject to establishment capture, and Johnson is loitering in the wings waiting for him to fail.
  • Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    Why is this clown still here?
    Because we all need a good laugh sometimes? I suppose one of these days they will actually manage to produce a troll from their farms who is not so painfully obvious. This current crop aren't worth the money they are paying them.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    I think this board should go past banning words (such as 'this') and ban using individual buttons. I think a day without using a button 'twixt "W" and "R" on our laptops should be fun!
    BE fun?
    Gah!
    I spent ages composing that. It was surprising how many times I had to go over it spotting the odd e which had evaded four or five readings. And I still failed!
  • kamskikamski Posts: 4,199
    There's a new episode of The Coming Storm on BBC Sounds:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001dxt0

    Quite interesting, kind of on topic
  • Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    I think this board should go past banning words (such as 'this') and ban using individual buttons. I think a day without using a button 'twixt "W" and "R" on our laptops should be fun!
    Good show old chap. To form that paragraph without utilising said button took skill and thought. :)
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    This is an interesting tweet. Makr of it what you will

    Is #Ukraine capable of defeating #Russia without the #US direct intervention? No. Is the #US willing to confront Russia on Ukrainian soil? No. Is Europe interested in joining the battle against Russia in Ukraine? No. Then the US should allow Kyiv to negotiate a ceasefire.

    5:47 PM · Nov 6, 2022·Twitter Web App

    https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1589313509825073153?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    New polling published by ABC:
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/economic-discontent-fuels-gop-hopes-midterms-draw-close/story

    Given their recent history, it's a slight puzzle to me why the Republicans have such a significant lead on trust in handling the economy. FWIW.
  • Cookie said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    I think this board should go past banning words (such as 'this') and ban using individual buttons. I think a day without using a button 'twixt "W" and "R" on our laptops should be fun!
    BE fun?
    Gah!
    I spent ages composing that. It was surprising how many times I had to go over it spotting the odd e which had evaded four or five readings. And I still failed!
    Type it in word. replace all the 'e's with a blank using find and replace and then work out how to craft it without using those incomplete words.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    I think this board should go past banning words (such as 'this') and ban using individual buttons. I think a day without using a button 'twixt "W" and "R" on our laptops should be fun!
    Good show old chap. To form that paragraph without utilising said button took skill and thought. :)
    But, sir, look at last two words, not counting actual last. Fail.
  • Calv and Lemb being hosted by Burley discussing the rights & wrongs of an MP eating roo anus for money and the delectation of the great British public.

    Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive.

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1589540534904815617?s=20&t=CXp8ql-5FQxO-fGHBtwrsg
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    edited November 2022
    Martin10 said:

    This is an interesting tweet. Makr of it what you will

    Is #Ukraine capable of defeating #Russia without the #US direct intervention? No. Is the #US willing to confront Russia on Ukrainian soil? No. Is Europe interested in joining the battle against Russia in Ukraine? No. Then the US should allow Kyiv to negotiate a ceasefire.

    5:47 PM · Nov 6, 2022·Twitter Web App

    https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1589313509825073153

    It's delusional to think that Ukraine would be eager to negotiate/surrender if only they had permission from the US, and a profound mistake to see "Europe" as a monolithic entity. You should remember that Ukraine, Poland and the UK have a tripartite defence alliance outside NATO.
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    mwadams said:

    Cookie said:

    Selebian said:

    Martin10 said:


    Martin10 said:

    Stereodog said:

    Is it only me who thinks Desantis would be more of a disaster for America and the world than Trump? Trump was worryingly erratic and his rhetoric could be dangerous but at heart he was Democrat who was too disorganised to properly mount a coup or even get Obamacare repealed. Desantis has all of the dangerous MAGA beliefs with the additional worries that he actually believes them and is smart enough to carry them out.

    If Trump gets in he will be more ruthless and extreme this time no doubt...the MAGA crowd are much angrier now
    This whole trying to generate strife and division thing is very tedious. It
    doesn’t work and, even if it did, this site doesn’t matter in the scheme of
    things

    (With apologies to @rcs1000 )
    Someones having a bad day...im making a statement of fact....maybe you find the chaotic modern world too much for you....

    The four-dot ellipsis is weird, isn't it? Stands out, you'd think it would be avoided by now.
    What also stands out is the sentence structure of short clauses separated by ellipses with no punctuation save for an opening capital letter. Very odd the number of new posters we get using that unusual and distinctive style.
    Especially as the four-dot ellipsis is an atrocity that should be dealt with by an immediate and aggressive use of the ban hammer, if not the space cannon.
    Agreed. Added.

    • Heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    • …. (four dot ellipsis)
    That's 'This' as a complete comment? We are still allowed, under your proposals, to use 'this' within a sentence, such as this one? :open_mouth:
    I think this board should go past banning words (such as 'this') and ban using individual buttons. I think a day without using a button 'twixt "W" and "R" on our laptops should be fun!
    Good show old chap. To form that paragraph without utilising said button took skill and thought. :)
    But, sir, look at last two words, not counting actual last. Fail.
    So it is! I am distraught!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    Martin10 said:

    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    Why is this clown still here?
    So you dont believe in free speech...so i take it you dont believe in western values then
    You don't understand free speech and more than you do punctuation.

    It does not included requiring private internet sites - particularly small ones that have no claim to be some kind of public utility - to be completely unmoderated. Indeed to require such would be a denial of free speech rights.
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    Olivia Attwood QUITS I’m A Celebrity after just 24 hours https://trib.al/O8cFXnO


  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited November 2022
    Gadsby by Ernest Vincent Wright is a whole novel with no e in it.

    If youth, throughout all history, had had a champion to stand up for it; to show a doubting
    world that a child can think; and, possibly, do it practically; you wouldn’t constantly run
    across folks today who claim that “a child don’t know anything.” A child’s brain starts
    functioning at birth; and has, amongst its many infant convolutions, thousands of dormant
    atoms, into which God has put a mystic possibility for noticing an adult’s act, and figuring
    out its purport.
    Up to about its primary school days a child thinks, naturally, only of play. But many a
    form of play contains disciplinary factors. “You can’t do this,” or “that puts you out,”
    shows a child that it must think, practically or fail. Now, if, throughout childhood, a brain
    has no opposition, it is plain that it will attain a position of “status quo,” as with our
    ordinary animals. Man knows not why a cow, dog or lion was not born with a brain on a
    par with ours; why such animals cannot add, subtract, or obtain from books and
    schooling, that paramount position which Man holds today.
    But a human brain is not in that class. Constantly throbbing and pulsating, it rapidly
    forms opinions; attaining an ability of its own; a fact which is startlingly shown by an
    occasional child “prodigy” in music or school work. And as, with our dumb animals, a
    child’s inability convincingly to impart its thoughts to us, should not class it as ignorant.
    Upon this basis I am going to show you how a bunch of bright young folks did find a
    champion; a man with boys and girls of his own; a man of so dominating and happy
    individuality that Youth is drawn to him as is a fly to a sugar bowl. It is a story about a
    small town. It is not a gossipy yarn; nor is it a dry, monotonous account, full of such
    customary “fill-ins” as “romantic moonlight casting murky shadows down a long,
    winding country road.” Nor will it say anything about tinklings lulling distant folds;
    robins carolling at twilight, nor any “warm glow of lamplight” from a cabin window. No.
    It is an account of up-and-doing activity; a vivid portrayal of Youth as it is today; and a
    practical discarding of that worn-out notion that “a child don’t know anything.”
    Now, any author, from history’s dawn, always had that most important aid to writing: an
    ability to call upon any word in his dictionary in building up his story. That is, our strict
    laws as to word construction did not block his path. But in my story that mighty
    obstruction will constantly stand in my path; for many an important, common word I
    cannot adopt, owing to its orthography.

    ...

    and so on.
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg
  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited November 2022
    It could well be that Donald Trump will win both the Republican nomination and the presidency. Two key moments that may turn out to have sealed the end of the US regime were in January 2021 when Mike Pence refused to activate Article 25 and the following month when so many Republican senators voted to acquit Trump at his second impeachment trial.

    Now it's down to a few state judiciaries to find him guilty of commercial and financial crime, tax fraud, charity fraud, etc., but they seem to be having an awful lot of difficulty in pulling their fingers out.

    It's nearly 2023 already and the guy hasn't got anywhere near any handcuffs or a courtroom dock, let alone a prison cell.

    After the state judiciaries have wimped out, it will be down to Mary Trump, and er... a reborn Lincoln Project maybe? Saturday Night Live is unlikely to have much of an effect.

    "Stop Trump" - which is so necessary - is looking somewhere between weak and pathetically weak.

    A big announcement in the next fortnight, huh? Is he waiting for Elon Musk to reinstate his Sh*tter account?

    Rashida Tlaib had it right.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVBqXvMouJg
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,089
    Is it possible to set an alert for when we're properly back to terrible puns and politics, and don't have to put up with spam and links to Twitter accounts full of illuminati nonsense?
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    mwadams said:

    Is it possible to set an alert for when we're properly back to terrible puns and politics, and don't have to put up with spam and links to Twitter accounts full of illuminati nonsense?

    Is that really you in the photo
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited November 2022

    This idea of climate change "reparations" being banded about at COP27 could be utterly politically toxic for Sunak. I hear he's considering it, which is astonishing.

    I can see why worldwide NGOs and Davos Man would push for it, but I really hope he isn't taken in by it.

    I see Johnson has gone straight in and opposed it. Another sign that Rishi is too easily subject to establishment capture, and Johnson is loitering in the wings waiting for him to fail.

    Boris said a clear no to repatriations? He had a pop at fracking. Makes you think Truss and her government would already have given a clear no to repatriations? So there are clear differences between the Boris and Sunak administration from early 2020 to this summer and the Truss one - the question is, the difference between Boris and Sunak on one side and Truss and her support on the other a greater gap than between Boris and Sunak on one side and Starmer’s Labour and Lib Dems on the other?

    With the Sunak government adopting Labours economic policy positions like windfall taxes, and Sunak adopting Red Ed’s repatriations on Net Zero for the world, can you see as clear a difference between Sunak and Labour as there is between Sunak’s government and the supporters of Truss different approach?

    I think it points very clearly to which policy positions the Tory party will go to in just two years, when Sunak is beaten and Tory’s need to elect a leader of the opposition.

    Truss is dead. Long live Trussism.
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    DJ41 said:

    It could well be that Donald Trump will win both the Republican nomination and the presidency. Two key moments that may turn out to have sealed the end of the US regime were in January 2021 when Mike Pence refused to activate Article 25 and the following month when so many Republican senators voted to acquit Trump at his second impeachment trial.

    Now it's down to a few state judiciaries to find him guilty of commercial and financial crime, tax fraud, charity fraud, etc., but they seem to be having an awful lot of difficulty in pulling their fingers out.

    It's nearly 2023 already and the guy hasn't got anywhere near any handcuffs or a courtroom dock, let alone a prison cell.

    After the state judiciaries have wimped out, it will be down to Mary Trump, and er... a reborn Lincoln Project maybe? Saturday Night Live is unlikely to have much of an effect.

    "Stop Trump" - which is so necessary - is looking somewhere between weak and pathetically weak.

    A big announcement in the next fortnight, huh? Is he waiting for Elon Musk to reinstate his Sh*tter account?

    Rashida Tlaib had it right.

    If Trump is the nominee he wins....then the mass firings of govt workers begin
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Martin10 said:

    Olivia Attwood QUITS I’m A Celebrity after just 24 hours https://trib.al/O8cFXnO

    After making history as the first Love Island star to compete on the ITV show, the 31-year-old reality star has left the camp after being involved in a 'medical drama'.

    For some value of history, @ydoethur will be pleased by the extension of his discipline.

    "For some value of" can probably go on the list.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    pm215 said:

    Endillion said:

    A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?

    No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
    If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
    I think it is a mix of both in a way.

    a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke.
    b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
    I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues.
    What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
    It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.


    I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
    I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.

    My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.

    Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
    What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan.
    This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
    Ever wondered what that hole was for?


    Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
    But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
    So does hanging up the pan...
    Was not the point being discussed.
    Its a stupid internet meme that this was the reason for the hole in the handle, which it absolutely wasn't.
    It works. Is all.*

    *one for @Anabobazina's list.
    I've not come across that one except as Irish dialect (?), happy to let it ride for now.
    "Is all" is used a lot in Endeavour so is presumably native either to post-war Oxford, or to wherever and whenever the writer hails from.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772

    Martin10 said:

    This is an interesting tweet. Makr of it what you will

    Is #Ukraine capable of defeating #Russia without the #US direct intervention? No. Is the #US willing to confront Russia on Ukrainian soil? No. Is Europe interested in joining the battle against Russia in Ukraine? No. Then the US should allow Kyiv to negotiate a ceasefire.

    5:47 PM · Nov 6, 2022·Twitter Web App

    https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1589313509825073153

    It's delusional to think that Ukraine would be eager to negotiate/surrender if only they had permission from the US, and a profound mistake to see "Europe" as a monolithic entity. You should remember that Ukraine, Poland and the UK have a tripartite defence alliance outside NATO.
    It is very far from delusional to think that Russia's desperation for some sort of face saving negotiation grows by the day.
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    Nigelb said:

    Martin10 said:

    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    Why is this clown still here?
    So you dont believe in free speech...so i take it you dont believe in western values then
    You don't understand free speech and more than you do punctuation.

    It does not included requiring private internet sites - particularly small ones that have no claim to be some kind of public utility - to be completely unmoderated. Indeed to require such would be a denial of free speech rights.
    Ok i agree ban abusive posters sure...but banning different viewpoints leaves you with a boring echo chamber and you then miss the contribution of some excellent posters with well thought out views
  • Martin10 said:

    Olivia Attwood QUITS I’m A Celebrity after just 24 hours https://trib.al/O8cFXnO

    Should we all back Matt Hancock, if the opposition is melting away?
  • Martin10 said:

    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg

    Maybe if we could see an end to oil and gas exploration, not to mention coal, in the UK it there would be less reason for them to protest.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,171
    Alistair said:

    I see Musk has gone from "Comedy is legal now" to "Perm ban for anyone changing their name to Elon Musk" inside a week.

    Exactly as predicted.

    I don’t see how Musk + Twitter are sustainable. I don’t see how Musk is different from a 14 year old boy, for that matter. Thinks he’s very clever, but isn’t. After the Paul Pelosi thing, he’s now had to delete a post where he approved of a quote from a neo-Nazi. He is the loosest of loose cannons.

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,880

    Martin10 said:

    This is an interesting tweet. Makr of it what you will

    Is #Ukraine capable of defeating #Russia without the #US direct intervention? No. Is the #US willing to confront Russia on Ukrainian soil? No. Is Europe interested in joining the battle against Russia in Ukraine? No. Then the US should allow Kyiv to negotiate a ceasefire.

    5:47 PM · Nov 6, 2022·Twitter Web App

    https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1589313509825073153

    It's delusional to think that Ukraine would be eager to negotiate/surrender if only they had permission from the US, and a profound mistake to see "Europe" as a monolithic entity. You should remember that Ukraine, Poland and the UK have a tripartite defence alliance outside NATO.
    Unless the US turns off the $2bn/month money tap then Zelenskiy would be dumb to negotiate before the Ukrainian elections next year.

    While he is, what my late mother would have described as, 'a good turn but on too long' he's not dumb.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,397
    Seeing the original poem earlier in the thread inspired me to share my modern variant:

    You cannot bribe or con
    Thank God! Fox News Tucker Carlson
    But, seeing what the man will do
    Unbribed - there is no reason to!

    (With apologies to Humbert Wolfe.)
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,461
    edited November 2022
    Martin10 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Martin10 said:

    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    Why is this clown still here?
    So you dont believe in free speech...so i take it you dont believe in western values then
    You don't understand free speech and more than you do punctuation.

    It does not included requiring private internet sites - particularly small ones that have no claim to be some kind of public utility - to be completely unmoderated. Indeed to require such would be a denial of free speech rights.
    Ok i agree ban abusive posters sure...but banning different viewpoints leaves you with a boring echo chamber and you then miss the contribution of some excellent posters with well thought out views
    I agree.
    But you're not one of those.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,171
    Martin10 said:

    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg

    It gets worse. Some of them were even attracted towards Trussism.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,812

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    kjh said:

    pm215 said:

    Endillion said:

    A lesson for the Tories here, who think "wokeness" outweighs the economy?

    No-one on the Tory side thinks that. We think Labour activists think that, and therefore it's good tactics to get them talking about it, so voters think Labour think " "wokeness" outweighs the economy".
    If that's the strategy, I'm not sure the execution is up to par, because mainly the people I notice banging on about 'woke' are the right...
    I think it is a mix of both in a way.

    a) It is only the right that is fixated by woke.
    b) However if the right do bang on about an almost non existent issue the non-political may well think it is an issue and think the left are bonkers for being so woke, when in fact they aren't. It is a common practice for all side to play. Make your opponents seem like ideological nutters.
    I think if the Tories stick to the specific issues in this space that voters care about (eg the Albanian armada) then they will be fine. If they keep banging on about things that most people don't care about then they will be punished because voters have a long list of things they want politicians to fix for them and will think it is ridiculous for them to be wasting time on marginal issues.
    What I find weird is that so many people on the right seem to confuse left wing nutters on Twitter with the Labour Party. Some loons staking out extreme woke positions doesn't mean that most left of centre people sign up to the same views.
    It's not just some nutters on twitter though. If you ever interact with an educational establishment, or the arts, or a museum, or pretty much any sphere of public life, you will be bombarded by the woke's views on matters of race, gender and the environment in the same way that more pious regimes will bombard you with the tenets of their particular faith, or that communist Eastern Europe would bombard you with the tenets of international socialism.


    I've got three kids at school and frequently go to museums and the only things I've ever encountered are fairly mainstream views, eg racism and slavery = bad. But I'm going on a primary school trip to a museum tomorrow and will report back if I am offered gender reassignment therapy or a seminar on critical race theory while we're there!
    I have never come across anything "woke" in real life, or any issues through schools etc.

    My kids school is great, my only frustration recently is that we were asked at very short notice to bring in wooden spoons this morning for a project they're making today for Remembrance. I didn't have any wooden spoons in, and all the local shops were cleared out of them too due to a mad panic of other parents also trying to source the same thing at the same time. Eventually found some, but a bit more notice next time would be convenient.

    Other than that, no issues whatsoever.
    What? You don't have any wooden spoons? Other parents don't have wooden spoons? Surely everyone who has a kitchen has at least two? I have at least 6. Mysteriously, only one of them has a handle of what I consider a satisfactory length i.e. one where the spoon end can nestle where the base of the pan meets the rim and the handle can balance on the opposite rim, for the large frying pan.
    This is, I concede, one of the more minor issues which has been tackled on these boards. But I am still surprised by your lifestyle decision.
    Ever wondered what that hole was for?


    Hanging up the pan. Don't fall for fake 'I never knew that' memes on Facebook.
    But it works. Just tried it with a range of pans/saucepans.
    So does hanging up the pan...
    Was not the point being discussed.
    Its a stupid internet meme that this was the reason for the hole in the handle, which it absolutely wasn't.
    It works. Is all.*

    *one for @Anabobazina's list.
    I've not come across that one except as Irish dialect (?), happy to let it ride for now.
    "Is all" is used a lot in Endeavour so is presumably native either to post-war Oxford, or to wherever and whenever the writer hails from.
    “Is all” is used so frequently in the works of David Simon, it’s downright distracting.

    I presumed it was native to Baltimore and surrounds (the Wire), but he used it in Treme (New Orleans) and Show Me A Hero (Yonkers), so who knows.

    Oxford would be the last place I expect it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625
    edited November 2022

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    Russia is pioneering a new type of economy. The one where all the smart young wealth creators, managers, inventors, administrators have all left Russia. The world will watch this experiment in the same way it watched Pol Pot and his Year Zero approach.

    Spoiler: in 5 years time, Russia will be a hollowed out husk of the country it was before it invaded Ukraine. Its hydrocarbons industry will be patched up, leaking, lacking investment, lacking basic western technologies, its products bought at discounts from those who will gouge the prices.

    And still the remaining thick drunkards in Moscow and St. Petersburg will blame NATO.
    Don’t you mean “they will blame Satanic Nazi GAYTO”?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772
    So, last week Brazil counted 120m votes in 4 hours. What are the prospects of Americans being able to achieve this on similar numbers within 4 weeks (and arguably more than 2 months if you include any runoffs)? Close to zero I would say. Why do Americans put up with this?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,397
    The Washington race for Senate between incumbent Patty Murray and Republican Tiffany Smiley is unexpectedly close. And I think that is because Murray has run such a lackluster -- though very expensive -- campaign. In her ads, she often looks both tired and bored, so much so that I wonder about her overall health. (She was born October 11, 1950). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Murray

    That could be why Mitch McConnell decided to put so much money into this race.

    But I think the damage done to the Republican Party here in Washington state by Donald Trump will keep her in for one more term.
  • "Dems Close The Enthusiasm Gap With Voters Ahead Of Midterms"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dIXIqaWNuE
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,704

    Martin10 said:

    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg

    Maybe if we could see an end to oil and gas exploration, not to mention coal, in the UK it there would be less reason for them to protest.
    Given we still need oil, gas and coal for the foreseeable future then it’s not going to happen.

    They can protest all they like. All they are doing is pissing people off.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,397
    Small correction: The last line of the Wolfe poem is actually: "unbribed there's no occasion to!"
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    A disturbing video from one of the climate protesters blocking the M25.

    https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1589585377803014146

    A 24 year-old woman shut down a major highway in UK just now. She says it’s for the climate but she’s obviously suffering from severe mental distress, narcissism, and grandiosity. “Why does it take young people like me?” she asks.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 43,625

    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    If you think they can't strike back, what is your explanation for all the things that keep blowing up in Russia? Is Putin so unpopular that his own people are trying to sabotage the war effort?
    Lucky Strike is a very popular brand of cigarette in Russia.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    edited November 2022

    Seeing the original poem earlier in the thread inspired me to share my modern variant:

    You cannot bribe or con
    Thank God! Fox News Tucker Carlson
    But, seeing what the man will do
    Unbribed -...

    ...the media's really in the poo.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184
    Taz said:

    Martin10 said:

    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg

    Maybe if we could see an end to oil and gas exploration, not to mention coal, in the UK it there would be less reason for them to protest.
    Given we still need oil, gas and coal for the foreseeable future then it’s not going to happen.

    They can protest all they like. All they are doing is pissing people off.
    Yes,
    1) Stopping the extraction of fossil fuels while doing nothing about the consumption of it is pointless virtue signalling. It's consumption we need to focus on.
    2) And we are focusing on it! I get so frustrated with the failure to acknowledge the astonishing progress made in this over my lifetime. Back in 1990, the idea that we could get half of our electricity from renewables, that we could make serious inroads intro electrifying the country's vehicles - it would be seen as a fantasy. And yet here we are, and the trajectory towards net zero in the coming years looks even steeper. There is a massive success story to be told. That's not to say that decarbonising is easy; it is hard, but achievable, and we are doing it. It very much doesn't happen overnight. But to any reasonable observer the speed of change is pretty impressive. And the UK is doing well, but is far from being an outlier: the world in general, I think, has a very good story to tell.

    We are going to need fossil fuels for the rest of my lifetime, and so their extraction is still needed. But they will get increasingly marginal.
  • This idea of climate change "reparations" being banded about at COP27 could be utterly politically toxic for Sunak. I hear he's considering it, which is astonishing.

    I can see why worldwide NGOs and Davos Man would push for it, but I really hope he isn't taken in by it.

    I see Johnson has gone straight in and opposed it. Another sign that Rishi is too easily subject to establishment capture, and Johnson is loitering in the wings waiting for him to fail.

    Boris said a clear no to repatriations? He had a pop at fracking. Makes you think Truss and her government would already have given a clear no to repatriations? So there are clear differences between the Boris and Sunak administration from early 2020 to this summer and the Truss one - the question is, the difference between Boris and Sunak on one side and Truss and her support on the other a greater gap than between Boris and Sunak on one side and Starmer’s Labour and Lib Dems on the other?

    With the Sunak government adopting Labours economic policy positions like windfall taxes, and Sunak adopting Red Ed’s repatriations on Net Zero for the world, can you see as clear a difference between Sunak and Labour as there is between Sunak’s government and the supporters of Truss different approach?

    I think it points very clearly to which policy positions the Tory party will go to in just two years, when Sunak is beaten and Tory’s need to elect a leader of the opposition.

    Truss is dead. Long live Trussism.
    Gentle tip: your posts are too long and have too many questions in them; reading them is hard work and, in this case, to get to a point and a conclusion you'd clearly already reached.

  • DJ41DJ41 Posts: 792
    edited November 2022

    A disturbing video from one of the climate protesters blocking the M25.

    https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1589585377803014146

    A 24 year-old woman shut down a major highway in UK just now. She says it’s for the climate but she’s obviously suffering from severe mental distress, narcissism, and grandiosity. “Why does it take young people like me?” she asks.

    She probably is suffering from mental problems, but this critic seems mostly to be using the names of mental problems as insults - which shouldn't be encouraged. That's the impression I formed when I got to the word "grandiosity" anyway. Then on a second reading I realised maybe I should already have formed it at the word "narcissism". Cults prey on and exacerbate mental problems and they induce them in those who at first only had naivety. This is no joke.

    How long will it take before ER etc. start killing people? And not high-level targets. I mean passers-by, people driving cars, people who are just unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Funny how nobody from Extinction Rebellion has been jailed yet for flying drones over busy airports such as Gatwick.

    Friends in high places?

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    edited November 2022

    Alistair said:

    I see Musk has gone from "Comedy is legal now" to "Perm ban for anyone changing their name to Elon Musk" inside a week.

    Exactly as predicted.

    I don’t see how Musk + Twitter are sustainable. I don’t see how Musk is different from a 14 year old boy, for that matter. Thinks he’s very clever, but isn’t. After the Paul Pelosi thing, he’s now had to delete a post where he approved of a quote from a neo-Nazi. He is the loosest of loose cannons.

    Well he's not at all stupid, quite the opposite, within his range of expertise.

    The management of a social media platform - as opposed to the prior extremely successful use of that platform - evidently does not fall within that range.
  • Taz said:

    Martin10 said:

    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg

    Maybe if we could see an end to oil and gas exploration, not to mention coal, in the UK it there would be less reason for them to protest.
    Given we still need oil, gas and coal for the foreseeable future then it’s not going to happen.

    They can protest all they like. All they are doing is pissing people off.
    Cheapest electricity now comes from Renewables.

    No fossil fuel cars sold after 2030.

    "Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer vowed to end the UK’s dependence on fossil fuels and achieve zero carbon energy by 2030. He announced plans for all the country’s electricity to be generated by renewable and nuclear power by the end of the decade.
    Labour claimed the plans would save UK households a total of £93bn over the rest of the decade – or an average saving of £475 for each household every year."

    New fossil fuels exploration will take years to produce anything and will be more expensive than renewables. Labour and Lib Dems plus Greens of course will put an end to new fossil fuel exploration, but we have to wait two years for an election before that can start.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,009
    edited November 2022
    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    The lack of punctuation and grammar makes it a bit difficult to understand what you're getting at sometimes. But the lack of any underlying logic makes it even harder. (Both of which actually confirm my opinion that you're all too human. But maybe with robot bosses telling you what to do.)

    You seem to be implying that the Ukrainians would like to attack the civil population of Russia - in the same way the Russians are now attacking the civil population of Ukraine - but that the threat of nuclear retaliation holds them back. Whereas the threat of nuclear retaliation is not inhibiting the Ukrainians at all when it comes to attacking the Russian military.

    Perhaps you should consider the possibility that the Ukrainians understand that it's Putin waging war on them, not the Russian people ....that they don't want to commit a war crime ....that they think defeating Putin militarily is the most likely way of getting him mercifully wiped from the recollection of the human race.

  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,397
    David L asked: "So, last week Brazil counted 120m votes in 4 hours. What are the prospects of Americans being able to achieve this on similar numbers within 4 weeks (and arguably more than 2 months if you include any runoffs)? Close to zero I would say. Why do Americans put up with this?"

    The United States is a federal system, with the states (and DC) having their own election rules. So, some states will count very quickly, and others won't. In Washington state, for example, we have almost universal vote by mail -- with ballots being acceptable as long as they are postmarked by tomorrow, or dropped in a "drop box" before 8 PM. So Washington counties won't even have all the ballots tomorrow night.

    That provision is intended to increase participation, and probably has had a small effect, just as early voting does.

    (There were some federal reforms after the 2000 presidential election.)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739
    NEW 🛳️

    Plans for £250m Royal Yacht Britannia replacement championed by Boris Johnson are sunk by Rishi Sunak
    Bidders told today. Ministry of Defence statement due soon.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/11/07/royal-yacht-britannia-replacement-plans-scrapped-rishi-sunak/
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,879
    edited November 2022

    This idea of climate change "reparations" being banded about at COP27 could be utterly politically toxic for Sunak. I hear he's considering it, which is astonishing.

    I can see why worldwide NGOs and Davos Man would push for it, but I really hope he isn't taken in by it.

    I see Johnson has gone straight in and opposed it. Another sign that Rishi is too easily subject to establishment capture, and Johnson is loitering in the wings waiting for him to fail.

    Reparations is a politically loaded word and should be avoided for that reason, but it's in the interests of countries in the developed world - such as the UK - to help mitigate the effects of climate change in the developing world. If we don't, the mass movement of peoples escaping the consequences of drought, flood and famine is only going to get greater. Handing over some money and sharing technology are both going to play a role - the latter a far greater one than the former.

    The really meaningful battle is going to be around the transfer of greentech to the developing world and whether that should involve compulsory licensing.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    Taz said:

    Martin10 said:

    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg

    Maybe if we could see an end to oil and gas exploration, not to mention coal, in the UK it there would be less reason for them to protest.
    Given we still need oil, gas and coal for the foreseeable future then it’s not going to happen.

    They can protest all they like. All they are doing is pissing people off.
    Cheapest electricity now comes from Renewables.

    No fossil fuel cars sold after 2030.

    "Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer vowed to end the UK’s dependence on fossil fuels and achieve zero carbon energy by 2030. He announced plans for all the country’s electricity to be generated by renewable and nuclear power by the end of the decade.
    Labour claimed the plans would save UK households a total of £93bn over the rest of the decade – or an average saving of £475 for each household every year."

    New fossil fuels exploration will take years to produce anything and will be more expensive than renewables...
    For energy generation, certainly.
    But that's not the only thing oil is used for, and it will be a couple of decades before chemical feedstocks manufactured using renewable energy are anywhere near as cheap.

    And it will be well into the 2030s before we all stop driving ICE cars.

    I am massively in favour of doing everything we can to accelerate the energy transition, but it's important to remain realistic.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,257

    A disturbing video from one of the climate protesters blocking the M25.

    https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1589585377803014146

    A 24 year-old woman shut down a major highway in UK just now. She says it’s for the climate but she’s obviously suffering from severe mental distress, narcissism, and grandiosity. “Why does it take young people like me?” she asks.

    My inner pedant notes that, from the video, the campaign name is a bit misleading - it's not a case of 'just stop oil' but also 'stop gas too'.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    1. Russian-sympathetic poster arrives posting content which seeks to undermine "The West's" orthodox view on eg the Ukraine war, but also democracy, the US, Jaffa Cakes, etc
    2. Everyone says "you are a Russian-sympathetic poster posting content which seeks to undermine...etc
    3. Russian-sympathetic poster says what about freedom of speech, etc while continuing to seek to undermine...etc
    4. Russian-sympathetic poster is banned because everyone is focused on him and therefore the accusation of troll become self-fulfilling.

    A real shame imo because if they are a Russian-sympathetic poster then why not engage. Let's hear the Russian-sympathetic view. We are just sticking our fingers in our ears and shouting la la la. It's a shame, especially so on PB of all places.

    He/She/(they but I doubt it) wasn't wrong when they said on certain topics PB is like an echo-chamber with no dissenting voices allowed.
  • Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Martin10 said:

    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg

    Maybe if we could see an end to oil and gas exploration, not to mention coal, in the UK it there would be less reason for them to protest.
    Given we still need oil, gas and coal for the foreseeable future then it’s not going to happen.

    They can protest all they like. All they are doing is pissing people off.
    Yes,
    1) Stopping the extraction of fossil fuels while doing nothing about the consumption of it is pointless virtue signalling. It's consumption we need to focus on.
    2) And we are focusing on it! I get so frustrated with the failure to acknowledge the astonishing progress made in this over my lifetime. Back in 1990, the idea that we could get half of our electricity from renewables, that we could make serious inroads intro electrifying the country's vehicles - it would be seen as a fantasy. And yet here we are, and the trajectory towards net zero in the coming years looks even steeper. There is a massive success story to be told. That's not to say that decarbonising is easy; it is hard, but achievable, and we are doing it. It very much doesn't happen overnight. But to any reasonable observer the speed of change is pretty impressive. And the UK is doing well, but is far from being an outlier: the world in general, I think, has a very good story to tell.

    We are going to need fossil fuels for the rest of my lifetime, and so their extraction is still needed. But they will get increasingly marginal.
    Agreed - and there's no need to explore for more. We don't need new coal mines and oil rigs, they will pretty soon become stranded assets.
  • Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Chris said:

    Martin10 said:

    Russia is pioneering a new type of warfare...destroy the energy infrastructure of a non nuclear power knowing that country is powerless to strike back in their own country because of a threat of nuclear weapons use....quite clever in a twisted way

    It seems to me that almost exactly the converse is true.

    So far from the Ukrainians being powerless to strike back in their own country, they are striking back very effectively and Russia is losing the war. The Russians don't dare to use nuclear weapons, but Putin is so politically vulnerable that he feels he must retaliate, so he hits high-profile civilian targets, which will have little effect on the Ukrainian war effort and won't even kill large numbers of civilians. But evidently Putin hopes it will save enough of his face for him to survive.
    But the ukrainians cant strike back in russia whilst the russians can destroy ukraines energy infrastructure at will leading to a miserable and freezing winter for many ukrainians. It is possible by january zelensky becones very unpopular
    The lack of punctuation and grammar makes it a bit difficult to understand what you're getting at sometimes. But the lack of any underlying logic makes it even harder. (Both of which actually confirm my opinion that you're all too human. But maybe with robot bosses telling you what to do.)

    You seem to be implying that the Ukrainians would like to attack the civil population of Russia - in the same way the Russians are now attacking the civil population of Ukraine - but that the threat of nuclear retaliation holds them back. Whereas the threat of nuclear retaliation is not inhibiting the Ukrainians at all when it comes to attacking the Russian military.

    Perhaps you should consider the possibility that the Ukrainians understand that it's Putin waging war on them, not the Russian people ....that they don't want to commit a war crime ....that they think defeating Putin militarily is the most likely way of getting him mercifully wiped from the recollection of the human race.

    Go easy on Martin10, English may not be his first language.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,257
    TOPPING said:

    1. Russian-sympathetic poster arrives posting content which seeks to undermine "The West's" orthodox view on eg the Ukraine war, but also democracy, the US, Jaffa Cakes, etc
    2. Everyone says "you are a Russian-sympathetic poster posting content which seeks to undermine...etc
    3. Russian-sympathetic poster says what about freedom of speech, etc while continuing to seek to undermine...etc
    4. Russian-sympathetic poster is banned because everyone is focused on him and therefore the accusation of troll become self-fulfilling.

    A real shame imo because if they are a Russian-sympathetic poster then why not engage. Let's hear the Russian-sympathetic view. We are just sticking our fingers in our ears and shouting la la la. It's a shame, especially so on PB of all places.

    He/She/(they but I doubt it) wasn't wrong when they said on certain topics PB is like an echo-chamber with no dissenting voices allowed.

    We have posters who post alternative views and are not banned. The ones that can string an argument together and use punctuation other than '....'.

    DJ41 is an example of a relatively new poster who has not been banned, despite some indications of suspect behaviour (as detailed by RCS) due to otherwise meeting the above criteria.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    I know they've been consistently overestimated but as a punter you surely have to broadly be backing the Democrats tommorow at the prices.
  • TazTaz Posts: 10,704

    Taz said:

    Martin10 said:

    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg

    Maybe if we could see an end to oil and gas exploration, not to mention coal, in the UK it there would be less reason for them to protest.
    Given we still need oil, gas and coal for the foreseeable future then it’s not going to happen.

    They can protest all they like. All they are doing is pissing people off.
    Cheapest electricity now comes from Renewables.

    No fossil fuel cars sold after 2030.

    "Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer vowed to end the UK’s dependence on fossil fuels and achieve zero carbon energy by 2030. He announced plans for all the country’s electricity to be generated by renewable and nuclear power by the end of the decade.
    Labour claimed the plans would save UK households a total of £93bn over the rest of the decade – or an average saving of £475 for each household every year."

    New fossil fuels exploration will take years to produce anything and will be more expensive than renewables. Labour and Lib Dems plus Greens of course will put an end to new fossil fuel exploration, but we have to wait two years for an election before that can start.
    Oil and gas and coal have other uses than producing electricity.

    As for this plan heard it or similar so many times in the past. Numerous green new deals. Always launched in a fanfare and never deliver. Ialso doubt they will end up stopping new exploration.
  • Taz said:

    Martin10 said:

    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg

    Maybe if we could see an end to oil and gas exploration, not to mention coal, in the UK it there would be less reason for them to protest.
    Given we still need oil, gas and coal for the foreseeable future then it’s not going to happen.

    They can protest all they like. All they are doing is pissing people off.
    Cheapest electricity now comes from Renewables.

    No fossil fuel cars sold after 2030.

    "Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer vowed to end the UK’s dependence on fossil fuels and achieve zero carbon energy by 2030. He announced plans for all the country’s electricity to be generated by renewable and nuclear power by the end of the decade.
    Labour claimed the plans would save UK households a total of £93bn over the rest of the decade – or an average saving of £475 for each household every year."

    New fossil fuels exploration will take years to produce anything and will be more expensive than renewables. Labour and Lib Dems plus Greens of course will put an end to new fossil fuel exploration, but we have to wait two years for an election before that can start.
    So Keir Starmer has vowed to do what the Tories have already implemented? 🤔

    The ban on new fossil fuel cars after 2030 isn't an original Labour idea, it was put in place by the Tories.

    In the mean time we need oil and gas for the transition. We can either import that from the likes of Sheiks and Putin, or extract our own.

    Fools who want to stop domestic extraction of oil and gas before we transition away from domestic consumption of it do not understand the science of what is happening.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,522
    .

    David L asked: "So, last week Brazil counted 120m votes in 4 hours. What are the prospects of Americans being able to achieve this on similar numbers within 4 weeks (and arguably more than 2 months if you include any runoffs)? Close to zero I would say. Why do Americans put up with this?"

    The United States is a federal system, with the states (and DC) having their own election rules. So, some states will count very quickly, and others won't. In Washington state, for example, we have almost universal vote by mail -- with ballots being acceptable as long as they are postmarked by tomorrow, or dropped in a "drop box" before 8 PM. So Washington counties won't even have all the ballots tomorrow night.

    That provision is intended to increase participation, and probably has had a small effect, just as early voting does.

    (There were some federal reforms after the 2000 presidential election.)

    That system has always struck me as absurd - how long do they wait for USPS to deliver?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    Selebian said:

    TOPPING said:

    1. Russian-sympathetic poster arrives posting content which seeks to undermine "The West's" orthodox view on eg the Ukraine war, but also democracy, the US, Jaffa Cakes, etc
    2. Everyone says "you are a Russian-sympathetic poster posting content which seeks to undermine...etc
    3. Russian-sympathetic poster says what about freedom of speech, etc while continuing to seek to undermine...etc
    4. Russian-sympathetic poster is banned because everyone is focused on him and therefore the accusation of troll become self-fulfilling.

    A real shame imo because if they are a Russian-sympathetic poster then why not engage. Let's hear the Russian-sympathetic view. We are just sticking our fingers in our ears and shouting la la la. It's a shame, especially so on PB of all places.

    He/She/(they but I doubt it) wasn't wrong when they said on certain topics PB is like an echo-chamber with no dissenting voices allowed.

    We have posters who post alternative views and are not banned. The ones that can string an argument together and use punctuation other than '....'.

    DJ41 is an example of a relatively new poster who has not been banned, despite some indications of suspect behaviour (as detailed by RCS) due to otherwise meeting the above criteria.
    So what exactly is/was the complaint with Martin10? Dodgy VPN? Used too many "e"s?

    Obviously @rcs1000 can ban whomever he wants but it is a shame.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,520
    TOPPING said:

    1. Russian-sympathetic poster arrives posting content which seeks to undermine "The West's" orthodox view on eg the Ukraine war, but also democracy, the US, Jaffa Cakes, etc
    2. Everyone says "you are a Russian-sympathetic poster posting content which seeks to undermine...etc
    3. Russian-sympathetic poster says what about freedom of speech, etc while continuing to seek to undermine...etc
    4. Russian-sympathetic poster is banned because everyone is focused on him and therefore the accusation of troll become self-fulfilling.

    A real shame imo because if they are a Russian-sympathetic poster then why not engage. Let's hear the Russian-sympathetic view. We are just sticking our fingers in our ears and shouting la la la. It's a shame, especially so on PB of all places.

    He/She/(they but I doubt it) wasn't wrong when they said on certain topics PB is like an echo-chamber with no dissenting voices allowed.

    On what serious topic do you think no dissenting voices are allowed on?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739
    Did we sound the Klaxon?

    No 10 has said Rishi Sunak continues to have full confidence in Gavin Williamson

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63530070
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Alistair said:

    I see Musk has gone from "Comedy is legal now" to "Perm ban for anyone changing their name to Elon Musk" inside a week.

    Exactly as predicted.

    I don’t see how Musk + Twitter are sustainable. I don’t see how Musk is different from a 14 year old boy, for that matter. Thinks he’s very clever, but isn’t. After the Paul Pelosi thing, he’s now had to delete a post where he approved of a quote from a neo-Nazi. He is the loosest of loose cannons.

    He has many faults, but Musk is clearly very clever.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,522
    TOPPING said:

    1. Russian-sympathetic poster arrives posting content which seeks to undermine "The West's" orthodox view on eg the Ukraine war, but also democracy, the US, Jaffa Cakes, etc
    2. Everyone says "you are a Russian-sympathetic poster posting content which seeks to undermine...etc
    3. Russian-sympathetic poster says what about freedom of speech, etc while continuing to seek to undermine...etc
    4. Russian-sympathetic poster is banned because everyone is focused on him and therefore the accusation of troll become self-fulfilling.

    A real shame imo because if they are a Russian-sympathetic poster then why not engage. Let's hear the Russian-sympathetic view. We are just sticking our fingers in our ears and shouting la la la. It's a shame, especially so on PB of all places.

    He/She/(they but I doubt it) wasn't wrong when they said on certain topics PB is like an echo-chamber with no dissenting voices allowed.

    The "people" who use the St Petersburg Ellipsis aren't worth engaging with. They're not "Russian-sympathetic posters" (that's people like Luckyguy and Dura), they're Putin's weapons.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,003
    Driver said:

    TOPPING said:

    1. Russian-sympathetic poster arrives posting content which seeks to undermine "The West's" orthodox view on eg the Ukraine war, but also democracy, the US, Jaffa Cakes, etc
    2. Everyone says "you are a Russian-sympathetic poster posting content which seeks to undermine...etc
    3. Russian-sympathetic poster says what about freedom of speech, etc while continuing to seek to undermine...etc
    4. Russian-sympathetic poster is banned because everyone is focused on him and therefore the accusation of troll become self-fulfilling.

    A real shame imo because if they are a Russian-sympathetic poster then why not engage. Let's hear the Russian-sympathetic view. We are just sticking our fingers in our ears and shouting la la la. It's a shame, especially so on PB of all places.

    He/She/(they but I doubt it) wasn't wrong when they said on certain topics PB is like an echo-chamber with no dissenting voices allowed.

    The "people" who use the St Petersburg Ellipsis aren't worth engaging with. They're not "Russian-sympathetic posters" (that's people like Luckyguy and Dura), they're Putin's weapons.
    So let's show then up and humiliate them with how ridiculous their positions are. Don't ban them.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739

    He has many faults, but Musk is clearly very clever.

    In a "can't tie his own shoelaces" kind of way...

    I saw a suggestion he is bipolar, and bought Twitter during a manic episode and is now on a depressive cycle
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    edited November 2022

    TOPPING said:

    1. Russian-sympathetic poster arrives posting content which seeks to undermine "The West's" orthodox view on eg the Ukraine war, but also democracy, the US, Jaffa Cakes, etc
    2. Everyone says "you are a Russian-sympathetic poster posting content which seeks to undermine...etc
    3. Russian-sympathetic poster says what about freedom of speech, etc while continuing to seek to undermine...etc
    4. Russian-sympathetic poster is banned because everyone is focused on him and therefore the accusation of troll become self-fulfilling.

    A real shame imo because if they are a Russian-sympathetic poster then why not engage. Let's hear the Russian-sympathetic view. We are just sticking our fingers in our ears and shouting la la la. It's a shame, especially so on PB of all places.

    He/She/(they but I doubt it) wasn't wrong when they said on certain topics PB is like an echo-chamber with no dissenting voices allowed.

    On what serious topic do you think no dissenting voices are allowed on?
    The Ukraine war.

    Edit: but it changes. Lockdown when they were happening, for example; vaccines, etc
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,739
    Unclear what’s changed since Saturday when No10 first refused to say if Williamson retained Sunak’s confidence.

    All that’s happened since is PM has said Williamson’s conduct was “unacceptable” and two more female MPs — one a minister — have shared details of his conduct.

    https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/status/1589589881378189312
  • Driver said:

    TOPPING said:

    1. Russian-sympathetic poster arrives posting content which seeks to undermine "The West's" orthodox view on eg the Ukraine war, but also democracy, the US, Jaffa Cakes, etc
    2. Everyone says "you are a Russian-sympathetic poster posting content which seeks to undermine...etc
    3. Russian-sympathetic poster says what about freedom of speech, etc while continuing to seek to undermine...etc
    4. Russian-sympathetic poster is banned because everyone is focused on him and therefore the accusation of troll become self-fulfilling.

    A real shame imo because if they are a Russian-sympathetic poster then why not engage. Let's hear the Russian-sympathetic view. We are just sticking our fingers in our ears and shouting la la la. It's a shame, especially so on PB of all places.

    He/She/(they but I doubt it) wasn't wrong when they said on certain topics PB is like an echo-chamber with no dissenting voices allowed.

    The "people" who use the St Petersburg Ellipsis aren't worth engaging with. They're not "Russian-sympathetic posters" (that's people like Luckyguy and Dura), they're Putin's weapons.
    Indeed, we have a whole spectrum of people here ranging from outright Russian-sympathetic posters (LuckyGuy, Dura etc), to Russia-agnostic/be afraid of nukes posters (Leon, Ishamael, Topping sometimes), through to hardcore NAFO proponents (too many to name).

    The trolls that get banned aren't banned for sharing views shared by Dura etc, they're banned for breaking the site's rules.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,184

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Martin10 said:

    Martin Daubney on the just stop oil protestors

    The young, impressionable, lost, middle classes have sadly always been attracted to cults. Their listless, privileged lives leave them open to radicalisation Today, these same lost souls gravitate towards cultists at Just Stop Oil & Extinction Rebellion

    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1589589088440840192?s=20&t=z6fg0KKziWzl_zAbj57yQg

    Maybe if we could see an end to oil and gas exploration, not to mention coal, in the UK it there would be less reason for them to protest.
    Given we still need oil, gas and coal for the foreseeable future then it’s not going to happen.

    They can protest all they like. All they are doing is pissing people off.
    Yes,
    1) Stopping the extraction of fossil fuels while doing nothing about the consumption of it is pointless virtue signalling. It's consumption we need to focus on.
    2) And we are focusing on it! I get so frustrated with the failure to acknowledge the astonishing progress made in this over my lifetime. Back in 1990, the idea that we could get half of our electricity from renewables, that we could make serious inroads intro electrifying the country's vehicles - it would be seen as a fantasy. And yet here we are, and the trajectory towards net zero in the coming years looks even steeper. There is a massive success story to be told. That's not to say that decarbonising is easy; it is hard, but achievable, and we are doing it. It very much doesn't happen overnight. But to any reasonable observer the speed of change is pretty impressive. And the UK is doing well, but is far from being an outlier: the world in general, I think, has a very good story to tell.

    We are going to need fossil fuels for the rest of my lifetime, and so their extraction is still needed. But they will get increasingly marginal.
    Agreed - and there's no need to explore for more. We don't need new coal mines and oil rigs, they will pretty soon become stranded assets.
    I think even at our most optimistic rate of decarbonisation, we will still be consuming *some* oil, gas and coal in 25 years. I think it will account for < 1% of overall energy use, but we won't be entirely rid - and there will be a need for oil for non-energy uses.
    (I think 25 years is the sort of lifespan we need to look at for a new extractive facility)
    I think even if we hit that target, without further exploration, we will be importing the stuff. Indeed, probably even with further exploration we will be importing the vast bulk of what we will consume over the next 25 years.
    On that basis, I think investment in further extraction makes sense.
    But I concede I have no numbers to back any of this up - it's just a best guess based on a non-specialist's understanding of the industry. And I am entirely convinceable the other way.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,960
    Scott_xP said:

    Did we sound the Klaxon?

    No 10 has said Rishi Sunak continues to have full confidence in Gavin Williamson

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63530070

    Bet accordingly.
  • theakestheakes Posts: 839
    We face a hellish situation after tomorrow, States changing their election rules ensuring Trump is elected. Then what leading Democrats arrested on trumped up charges, moves to a one party state, martial law and world chaos.
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